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From: "Boone, Jill" <jill.bo...@ceo.sccgov.org>
To: Climate List <ClimateSharing4Gov@googlegroups.com>
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 12:29:55 -0700
Subject: RE: [ClimateSharing4Gov] 2005 numbers from ICLEI/PGE
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Steve - can you explain why there are different numbers for community-scale=
 footprints and government operations?  Both are for 2005 CO2(e). I'm tryin=
g to make sense of why there would be two numbers....

Jill

Jill Boone
Climate Change & Sustainability Manager
Santa Clara County

408-299-5164
jill.bo...@ceo.sccgov.org
From: climatesharing4gov@googlegroups.com [mailto:climatesharing4gov@google=
groups.com] On Behalf Of Boone, Jill
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 10:57 AM
To: Climate List
Subject: [ClimateSharing4Gov] Re: PGE mix for 2007 and 2008

Good questions Steve. It is the CO2 conversion number, not all GHG, althoug=
h these are pretty close, I believe.

I am attaching the reference key from PGE - this came from their GHG data p=
erson, John Bohman, and you can email them directly at ghgdatarequests@pge.=
com<mailto:ghgdatareque...@pge.com> if you want to follow up with questions=
. Please share what you find out!

Jill

Jill Boone
Climate Change & Sustainability Manager
Santa Clara County

408-299-5164
jill.bo...@ceo.sccgov.org
From: Attinger, Steve [mailto:Steve.Attin...@mountainview.gov]
Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 5:54 PM
To: Boone, Jill; Climate List
Subject: RE: [ClimateSharing4Gov] PGE mix for 2007 and 2008

Hi Jill,

Thanks for sending this out. Other than this being disheartening, I have a =
couple questions and a point of clarification.


 1.  Are the coefficients you provided below for CO2 or CO2-e? From my rese=
arch on coefficients in the past, it appears that the numbers you provided =
below are CO2 only, which is not consistent with the inventories that many =
cities just completed with ICLEI. In principle we should be using a CO2e co=
efficient.
 2.  Are the coefficients you provided below for California-wide PG&E elect=
ricity, or for Bay Area PG&E electricity? There's a pretty big difference.

So, if I have my facts correct, I would caution folks about using these num=
bers "as gospel" if they're not for CO2e. That said, on the bigger picture =
level, whether it's these numbers or others, your overall comment about a s=
izeable change from 2006 to 2007 is appreciated.

Fwiw, from working with PG&E and ICLEI over the last couple years I've been=
 using the following coefficients, which are mostly slightly different than=
 yours.

2005
CO2: 0.489155 (from PG&E)
CO2e: 0.492859 (from PG&E, and used by ICLEI for Community-wide GHG invento=
ry)
CO2e: 0.493835 (used by ICLEI for Government Operations GHG inventory)

2006
CO2: 0.459
CO2e: <I haven't been able to get this yet from PG&E)

Regards,
Steve

________________________________
From: climatesharing4gov@googlegroups.com [mailto:climatesharing4gov@google=
groups.com] On Behalf Of Boone, Jill
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 4:42 PM
To: Climate List
Subject: [ClimateSharing4Gov] PGE mix for 2007 and 2008


I may have posted this earlier. If so, forgive the duplication!

If you are enmeshed in creating a plan based on a 2005 baseline, it is impo=
rtant for you to know the following information (if you are in PGE territor=
y).

The PGE factor for converting electricity (kWh) to pounds of GHG for the fo=
llowing years:

2005:  .489
2006:  .456
2007:  .636
2008:  not yet available.

From 2005 to 2007 is a 30% increase!!! This means that a kWh used in 2007 g=
enerates 30% more GHG than a kWh used in 2005.

This affected our overall footprint. Using 2007 factors for 2008, our entir=
e footprint went from having a 1% decrease from 2005 to 2008 to an 8% incre=
ase!

The explanation from PGE regarding the increase in their conversion factor =
from 2006 to 2007 is that 2007 was a hot, dry year and there was not as muc=
h hydro-electricity generated as normal. Therefore, they had to rely on inc=
reased natural gas generation and a slight increase in coal generation. If =
you read their Corporate Responsibility Reports and look at where their ene=
rgy comes from, the picture is not pretty as the amount of electricity comi=
ng from coal has gone from 1% to 4% to 8% in 2008.
http://www.pgecorp.com/corp_responsibility/

The amount of clean energy has also gone up between 2007 and 2008, so hopef=
ully that will balance out the additional coal.

Still, the point I am making is that if you are sincerely trying to meet re=
duction targets, electricity is a big wild card. Changes in weather and how=
 PGE has to purchase electricity can throw your numbers way off, even if yo=
u are becoming more efficient. Truly, solar and other renewable projects ar=
e key steps to take to reach real reductions as it puts us outside of these=
 fluctuations.

Just my two cents for the day.
Jill

Jill Boone
Climate Change & Sustainability Manager
Santa Clara County

408-299-5164
jill.bo...@ceo.sccgov.org





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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Steve &#8211; can you ex=
plain
why there are different numbers for community-scale footprints and governme=
nt
operations? &nbsp;Both are for 2005 CO2(e). I&#8217;m trying to make sense =
of
why there would be two numbers&#8230;.&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span>=
</p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Jill<o:p></o:p></span></=
p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span>=
</p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","s=
ans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Jill Boone</span><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family=
:"Times New Roman","serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","s=
ans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Climate Change &amp; Sustainability Manager</span><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1F49=
7D'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","s=
ans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Santa Clara County</span><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New=
 Roman","serif";
color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","s=
ans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>408-299-5164</span><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-fami=
ly:
"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","s=
ans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>jill.bo...@ceo.sccgov.org</span><span style=3D'color:#1F497D=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma=
","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> climatesharin=
g4gov@googlegroups.com
[mailto:climatesharing4gov@googlegroups.com] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Boone, Jil=
l<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, October 07, 2009 10:57 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Climate List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [ClimateSharing4Gov] Re: PGE mix for 2007 and 2008<o:p></o:=
p></span></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Good questions Steve. It=
 is the
CO2 conversion number, not all GHG, although these are pretty close, I beli=
eve.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span>=
</p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>I am attaching the refer=
ence key
from PGE &#8211; this came from their GHG data person, John Bohman, and you=
 can
email them directly at <a href=3D"mailto:ghgdatareque...@pge.com">ghgdatare=
que...@pge.com</a>
if you want to follow up with questions. Please share what you find out!<o:=
p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span>=
</p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Jill<o:p></o:p></span></=
p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span>=
</p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","s=
ans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Jill Boone</span><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family=
:"Times New Roman","serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","s=
ans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Climate Change &amp; Sustainability Manager</span><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1F49=
7D'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","s=
ans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Santa Clara County</span><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New=
 Roman","serif";
color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","s=
ans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>408-299-5164</span><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-fami=
ly:
"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","s=
ans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>jill.bo...@ceo.sccgov.org</span><span style=3D'color:#1F497D=
'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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0in 0in'>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma=
","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Attinger, Ste=
ve
[mailto:Steve.Attin...@mountainview.gov] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 06, 2009 5:54 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Boone, Jill; Climate List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [ClimateSharing4Gov] PGE mix for 2007 and 2008<o:p></o:=
p></span></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","s=
ans-serif";
color:navy'>Hi Jill,<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","s=
ans-serif";
color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","s=
ans-serif";
color:navy'>Thanks for sending this out. Other than this being disheartenin=
g, I
have a couple questions and a point of clarification.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","s=
ans-serif";
color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<ol style=3D'margin-top:0in' start=3D1 type=3D1>
 <li class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'color:navy;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo5'><span
     style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Are the
     coefficients you provided below for CO2 or CO2-e? From my research on
     coefficients in the past, it appears that the numbers you provided bel=
ow
     are <i>CO2 only</i>, which is not consistent with the inventories that
     many cities just completed with ICLEI. In principle we should be using=
 a
     CO2e coefficient.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
 <li class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'color:navy;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo5'><span
     style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Are the
     coefficients you provided below for California-wide PG&amp;E electrici=
ty,
     or for Bay Area PG&amp;E electricity? There&#8217;s a pretty big
     difference.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
</ol>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","s=
ans-serif";
color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","s=
ans-serif";
color:navy'>So, if I have my facts correct, I would caution folks about usi=
ng
these numbers &#8220;as gospel&#8221; <i>if they&#8217;re not for CO2e</i>.
That said, on the bigger picture level, whether it&#8217;s these numbers or
others, your overall comment about a sizeable change from 2006 to 2007 is
appreciated.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","s=
ans-serif";
color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","s=
ans-serif";
color:navy'>Fwiw, from working with PG&amp;E and ICLEI over the last couple
years I&#8217;ve been using the following coefficients, which are mostly
slightly different than yours.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","s=
ans-serif";
color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial"=
,"sans-serif";
color:navy'>2005<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","s=
ans-serif";
color:navy'>CO2: 0.489155 (from PG&amp;E)<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","s=
ans-serif";
color:navy'>CO2e: 0.492859 (from PG&amp;E, and used by ICLEI for Community-=
wide
GHG inventory)<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","s=
ans-serif";
color:navy'>CO2e: 0.493835 (used by ICLEI for Government Operations GHG
inventory)<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","s=
ans-serif";
color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial"=
,"sans-serif";
color:navy'>2006<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","s=
ans-serif";
color:navy'>CO2: 0.459<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","s=
ans-serif";
color:navy'>CO2e: &lt;I haven&#8217;t been able to get this yet from PG&amp=
;E)<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","s=
ans-serif";
color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","s=
ans-serif";
color:navy'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","s=
ans-serif";
color:navy'>Steve<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","s=
ans-serif";
color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<div class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter style=3D'text-align:center'><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'>

<hr size=3D2 width=3D"100%" align=3Dcenter>

</span></div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma=
","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
climatesharing4gov@googlegroups.com
[mailto:climatesharing4gov@googlegroups.com] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Boone, Jil=
l<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 01, 2009 4:42 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Climate List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [ClimateSharing4Gov] PGE mix for 2007 and 2008</span><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><o:p></o:p=
></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New=
 Roman","serif"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal>I may have posted this earlier. If so, forgive the
duplication!<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal>If you are enmeshed in creating a plan based on a 2005
baseline, it is important for you to know the following information (if you=
 are
in PGE territory). <o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal>The PGE factor for converting electricity (kWh) to pou=
nds of
GHG for the following years:<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal>2005: &nbsp;.489<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal>2006:&nbsp; .456<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal>2007:&nbsp; .636<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal>2008:&nbsp; not yet available. <o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal>From 2005 to 2007 is a 30% increase!!! This means that=
 a kWh
used in 2007 generates 30% more GHG than a kWh used in 2005. <o:p></o:p></p=
>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal>This affected our overall footprint. Using 2007 factor=
s for
2008, our entire footprint went from having a 1% decrease from 2005 to 2008=
 to
an 8% increase! <o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.5pt'>The explanation from =
PGE
regarding the increase in their conversion factor from 2006 to 2007 is that
2007 was a hot, dry year and there was not as much hydro-electricity genera=
ted
as normal. Therefore, they had to rely on increased natural gas generation =
and
a slight increase in coal generation. If you read their Corporate
Responsibility Reports and look at where their energy comes from, the pictu=
re
is not pretty as the amount of electricity coming from coal has gone from 1=
% to
4% to 8% in 2008. <o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><a href=3D"http://www.pgecorp.com/corp_responsibility/=
">http://www.pgecorp.com/corp_responsibility/</a>
<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal>The amount of clean energy has also gone up between 20=
07 and
2008, so hopefully that will balance out the additional coal. <o:p></o:p></=
p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal>Still, the point I am making is that if you are sincer=
ely
trying to meet reduction targets, electricity is a big wild card. Changes i=
n
weather and how PGE has to purchase electricity can throw your numbers way =
off,
even if you are becoming more efficient. Truly, solar and other renewable
projects are key steps to take to reach real reductions as it puts us outsi=
de
of these fluctuations. <o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal>Just my two cents for the day.<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal>Jill<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","s=
ans-serif"'>Jill
Boone</span><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","=
serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","s=
ans-serif"'>Climate
Change &amp; Sustainability Manager</span><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","s=
ans-serif"'>Santa
Clara County</span><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New R=
oman","serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New=
 Roman","serif"'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","s=
ans-serif"'>408-299-5164</span><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><o:p></o:p=
></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","s=
ans-serif"'>jill.bo...@ceo.sccgov.org</span><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New=
 Roman","serif"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New=
 Roman","serif"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New=
 Roman","serif"'><br>

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