Google Groups Home
Help | Sign in
Python gets another web framework: Gluon
There are currently too many topics in this group that display first. To make this topic appear first, remove this option from another topic.
There was an error processing your request. Please try again.
flag
  9 messages - Collapse all  -  Translate all to Translated (View all originals)
The group you are posting to is a Usenet group. Messages posted to this group will make your email address visible to anyone on the Internet.
Your reply message has not been sent.
Your post was successful
 
From:
To:
Cc:
Followup To:
Add Cc | Add Followup-to | Edit Subject
Subject:
Validation:
For verification purposes please type the characters you see in the picture below or the numbers you hear by clicking the accessibility icon. Listen and type the numbers you hear
 
Mike Pirnat  
View profile  
 More options Dec 7 2007, 10:48 pm
From: "Mike Pirnat" <mpir...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 22:48:27 -0500
Local: Fri, Dec 7 2007 10:48 pm
Subject: Python gets another web framework: Gluon
If Python developers are naughty, Santa foregoes coal and instead
leaves new web frameworks in their stockings...

http://mdp.cti.depaul.edu/examples/default/index

--
Mike Pirnat
mpir...@gmail.com
http://www.pirnat.com/


    Reply to author    Forward  
You must Sign in before you can post messages.
To post a message you must first join this group.
Please update your nickname on the subscription settings page before posting.
You do not have the permission required to post.
Benjamin Smith  
View profile  
 More options Dec 8 2007, 9:58 pm
From: "Benjamin Smith" <defi...@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 21:58:21 -0500
Local: Sat, Dec 8 2007 9:58 pm
Subject: Re: [clepy] Python gets another web framework: Gluon

I've played with it for about an hour.  Initial impression was great as I
found it a breeze to install and manage.  A few quick, not in depth bullet
points follow..

Things I like:

   - I especially like the Model interface..almost feel dirty when
   creating a model because of how simple it is.
   - WSGI compliance is bomb-digity.
   - Love the built in ticket creation.
   - Love the idea of byte compiled distribution of your application.
   - Upgrading seems to be fairly simple.
   - Migration from one box to another, regardless of distribution is
   super simple.

Things I don't like:

   - Printing layout elements from the Controller level feels gross;
   reminds me of how Perl's CGI.pm did it, which I really dislike.  I'll
   avoid it, unless necessary.
   - Some of the naming conventions bother me and don't seem very
   intuitive..  Just to name a few...
   - Controller: T("blah") doesn't scream internationalization to me.
      - View: {{pass}} feels funky to specify the end of a
      conditional, or loop?
      - View: What's .flash all about on the response and request
      methods?
   - The admin interface seems like could get quite cluttered as your
   application grows..
   - To use with apache, it requires some proxyness that I don't dig..
   I'd roll with the WSGI option.

That's all I've noticed after about a half an hour of playing with it that
make me feel a little icky.  Maybe there's some pythonism behind some of the
things I don't like so much that I'm missing in my noobness??

On Dec 7, 2007 10:48 PM, Mike Pirnat <mpir...@gmail.com> wrote:

> If Python developers are naughty, Santa foregoes coal and instead
> leaves new web frameworks in their stockings...

> http://mdp.cti.depaul.edu/examples/default/index

> --
> Mike Pirnat
> mpir...@gmail.com
> http://www.pirnat.com/

--
Benjamin Smith
http://www.just-another.net

    Reply to author    Forward  
You must Sign in before you can post messages.
To post a message you must first join this group.
Please update your nickname on the subscription settings page before posting.
You do not have the permission required to post.
Matt Wilson  
View profile  
 More options Dec 10 2007, 3:20 pm
From: Matt Wilson <mw44...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 12:20:02 -0800 (PST)
Local: Mon, Dec 10 2007 3:20 pm
Subject: Re: Python gets another web framework: Gluon
I was sad when I saw the FAQ page didn't answer the question "WHY
DIVERT ATTENTION INTO YET ANOTHER HALF-FINISHED WEB FRAMEWORK?"

Matt


    Reply to author    Forward  
You must Sign in before you can post messages.
To post a message you must first join this group.
Please update your nickname on the subscription settings page before posting.
You do not have the permission required to post.
Christian Wyglendowski  
View profile  
 More options Dec 10 2007, 3:50 pm
From: "Christian Wyglendowski" <christ...@dowski.com>
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 15:50:35 -0500
Local: Mon, Dec 10 2007 3:50 pm
Subject: Re: [clepy] Re: Python gets another web framework: Gluon
On 12/10/07, Matt Wilson <mw44...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I was sad when I saw the FAQ page didn't answer the question "WHY
> DIVERT ATTENTION INTO YET ANOTHER HALF-FINISHED WEB FRAMEWORK?"

Aw, I'm sure most of us have a half-finished web framework lying
around somewhere ...

Christian
http://www.dowski.com


    Reply to author    Forward  
You must Sign in before you can post messages.
To post a message you must first join this group.
Please update your nickname on the subscription settings page before posting.
You do not have the permission required to post.
Benjamin Smith  
View profile  
 More options Dec 10 2007, 4:04 pm
From: "Benjamin Smith" <defi...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 16:04:58 -0500
Local: Mon, Dec 10 2007 4:04 pm
Subject: Re: [clepy] Re: Python gets another web framework: Gluon

I have 3.

On Dec 10, 2007 3:50 PM, Christian Wyglendowski <christ...@dowski.com>
wrote:

> On 12/10/07, Matt Wilson <mw44...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > I was sad when I saw the FAQ page didn't answer the question "WHY
> > DIVERT ATTENTION INTO YET ANOTHER HALF-FINISHED WEB FRAMEWORK?"

> Aw, I'm sure most of us have a half-finished web framework lying
> around somewhere ...

> Christian
> http://www.dowski.com

--
Benjamin Smith
http://www.just-another.net

    Reply to author    Forward  
You must Sign in before you can post messages.
To post a message you must first join this group.
Please update your nickname on the subscription settings page before posting.
You do not have the permission required to post.
mdipierro  
View profile  
 More options Dec 16 2007, 9:44 am
From: mdipierro <mdipie...@cs.depaul.edu>
Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 06:44:50 -0800 (PST)
Local: Sun, Dec 16 2007 9:44 am
Subject: Re: Python gets another web framework: Gluon
The all point about Gluon is that it is finished in the sense that it
has a minum set of API there were stable since day one and I will
guarentee backward compatibility for future versions. There will be
bug fixes (assuming bugs are found) and there may be new features (if
users request them) but the basic API will not change. The admin
interface may change because use are encouraged to design a better
one. The present one works fine for me and it is very scalable.

Gluon was developed because both Django and Pylons have API that
change amost weekly and that is not acceptable.

About the use of pass for closing blocks. This is a convention used by
Python programmers who use emacs. In fact pass in Python is a command
that does nothing and therefore it is assumed to indicate the end of a
block. Emacs and Gluon automatically indent the code using similar
algorithms.

The generation of html in controllers is not a good idea but there are
occasions when it is unavoidable. Gluon provides helpers for those
rare situations but encourages users to put html in the models.


    Reply to author    Forward  
You must Sign in before you can post messages.
To post a message you must first join this group.
Please update your nickname on the subscription settings page before posting.
You do not have the permission required to post.
Matt Wilson  
View profile  
 More options Dec 16 2007, 11:04 pm
From: Matt Wilson <mw44...@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 20:04:47 -0800 (PST)
Local: Sun, Dec 16 2007 11:04 pm
Subject: Re: Python gets another web framework: Gluon
On Dec 16, 9:44 am, mdipierro <mdipie...@cs.depaul.edu> wrote:

> The all point about Gluon is that it is finished in the sense that it
> has a minum set of API there were stable since day one and I will
> guarentee backward compatibility for future versions. There will be
> bug fixes (assuming bugs are found) and there may be new features (if
> users request them) but the basic API will not change. The admin
> interface may change because use are encouraged to design a better
> one. The present one works fine for me and it is very scalable.

> Gluon was developed because both Django and Pylons have API that
> change amost weekly and that is not acceptable.

Thanks for the feedback!

That's depressing to hear about Django.  I haven't heard that
criticism before.


    Reply to author    Forward  
You must Sign in before you can post messages.
To post a message you must first join this group.
Please update your nickname on the subscription settings page before posting.
You do not have the permission required to post.
Catherine Devlin  
View profile  
 More options Dec 17 2007, 4:38 am
From: "Catherine Devlin" <catherine.dev...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 04:38:46 -0500
Local: Mon, Dec 17 2007 4:38 am
Subject: Re: [clepy] Re: Python gets another web framework: Gluon
Is anybody with experience going to be at CodeMash?  Want to seize
some OpenSpace there for a demo?

--
- Catherine
http://catherinedevlin.blogspot.com/


    Reply to author    Forward  
You must Sign in before you can post messages.
To post a message you must first join this group.
Please update your nickname on the subscription settings page before posting.
You do not have the permission required to post.
mdipierro  
View profile  
 More options Dec 18 2007, 4:47 am
From: mdipierro <mdipie...@cs.depaul.edu>
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 01:47:38 -0800 (PST)
Local: Tues, Dec 18 2007 4:47 am
Subject: Re: Python gets another web framework: Gluon
I cannot make it. Anyway you can find a new video tutorial here
http://www.vimeo.com/428474

    Reply to author    Forward  
You must Sign in before you can post messages.
To post a message you must first join this group.
Please update your nickname on the subscription settings page before posting.
You do not have the permission required to post.
End of messages
« Back to Discussions « Newer topic     Older topic »

Create a group - Google Groups - Google Home - Terms of Service - Privacy Policy
©2009 Google