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Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 11:25:51 -0400
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GCC & binutils with MinGW32 target works really well for C/C++.

For C# there isn't really much in common with C or C++. It is actually a Jav=
a derivative named C# (rather than J++) to satisfy some Microsoft branding c=
oncerns (and patent/trademark issues).

In all cases, the second, but likely more pertinent issue is library compati=
bility. You need a runtime that is cross-platform compatible. The GLIB and G=
LIBMM projects are good examples.

Sent from my iPhone

On May 27, 2012, at 11:54 PM, Craig <agent.cr...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I don't program on windows much but when I did I typically used visual stu=
dio because that's often what my employer was using.  Or I would use cygwin t=
o compile C with gcc but I'm very comfortable with a unix shell and gcc so t=
hat may not be an ideal solution for you.
>=20
> .Net is easy (imo) and you could probably use Mono for free http://www.mon=
o-project.com/Main_Page
>=20
> On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 11:47 PM, Matthew Robbins <cedarcr...@gmail.com> w=
rote:
> I'm going to rephrase the question and see if it makes more sense:
>=20
> Say I'm interested in a C#, C, or C++ compiler that is:
>=20
> Free (but I'll consider paying for a good one)
> Decent
> Works on Windows
> optional: Has an integrated development environment.
>=20
> =46rom this list:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_compilers#C.23_com=
pilers  , does anyone have a recommendation based on experience?
>=20
> (Also, I'd consider something other than C (or a derivative) if it offers s=
uperior---something.)
>=20
> Again, thanks!  (I'm going on a trip where I might not have a reliable int=
ernet connection, so I'm hoping to get it installed and working in the next d=
ay or so.)
>=20
>=20
> Matthew
>=20
> On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 4:48 PM, Matthew Robbins <cedarcr...@gmail.com> wr=
ote:
> I'm a little embarrassed to ask this question.
> =20
> I haven't programmed in years and years. Off the top of my head, 14 years.=

> =20
> I've got a problem that I can't solve with excel. (I am so embarrassed rig=
ht now.)
> =20
> So---What is the easiest way to get started programming on a PC?
> =20
> C-something (C#?) would be ideal. The last language I used was C++, althou=
gh I would be comfortable with any reasonable language. (I need basic stuff:=
 arrays, text string manipulation. Bitwise manipulations would be nice. Some=
 way to talk to a USB port would be good, but not a dealbreaker. I don't nee=
d object oriented or anything fancy. Straight C will do.)
> =20
> I've got the Arduino "processing" tool installed. Does that have simulatio=
n features where it will run on the computer?
> =20
> Bonus for free and legal, but I would definitely consider paying.
> =20
> Thanks!
> =20
> =20
> Matthew
> Sharonville
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<html><head></head><body bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF"><div>GCC &amp; binutils with Mi=
nGW32 target works really well for C/C++.</div><div><br></div><div>For C# th=
ere isn't really much in common with C or C++. It is actually a Java derivat=
ive named C# (rather than J++) to satisfy some Microsoft branding concerns (=
and patent/trademark issues).</div><div><br></div><div>In all cases, the sec=
ond, but likely more pertinent issue is library compatibility. You need a ru=
ntime that is cross-platform compatible. The GLIB and GLIBMM projects are go=
od examples.<br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On May 27, 2012, at 11=
:54 PM, Craig &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:agent.cr...@gmail.com">agent.craig@gmail=
.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>I=
 don't program on windows much but when I did I typically used visual studio=
 because that's often what my employer was using. &nbsp;Or I would use cygwi=
n to compile C with gcc but I'm very comfortable with a unix shell and gcc s=
o that may not be an ideal solution for you.<div>
<br></div><div>.Net is easy (imo) and you could probably use Mono for free&n=
bsp;<a href=3D"http://www.mono-project.com/Main_Page">http://www.mono-projec=
t.com/Main_Page</a><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, May 27, 2012 a=
t 11:47 PM, Matthew Robbins <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:cedarcre=
e...@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">cedarcr...@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<b=
r>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px=
 #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I'm going to rephrase the question and see if i=
t makes more sense:<div><br></div><div>Say I'm interested in a C#, C, or C++=
 compiler that is:</div>
<div><br></div><div>Free (but I'll consider paying for a good one)</div>
<div>Decent</div><div>Works on Windows</div><div>optional: Has an integrated=
 development environment.</div><div><br></div><div>=46rom this list:&nbsp;
<a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_compilers#C.23_compilers" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_compilers#C.23_compiler=
s</a>&nbsp; , does anyone have a recommendation based on experience?</div><d=
iv>
<br></div><div>
(Also, I'd consider something other than C (or a derivative) if it offers su=
perior---something.)</div><div><br></div><div>Again, thanks! &nbsp;(I'm goin=
g on a trip where I might not have a reliable internet connection, so I'm ho=
ping to get it installed and working in the next day or so.)<span class=3D"H=
OEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><br>

<br><br>Matthew</font></span><div><div class=3D"h5"><br><div class=3D"gmail_=
quote">On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 4:48 PM, Matthew Robbins <span dir=3D"ltr">&l=
t;<a href=3D"mailto:cedarcr...@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">cedarcreek@gmail=
.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px=
 #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div>I'm a little embarrassed to ask this question.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>I haven't programmed in years and years. Off the top of my head, 14 yea=
rs.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>I've got a problem that I can't solve with excel. (I am so embarrassed r=
ight now.)</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>So---What is the easiest way to get started programming on a PC? </div>=

<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>C-something (C#?)&nbsp;would be ideal. The last language I used was C++=
, although I would be comfortable with any reasonable language. (I need basi=
c stuff: arrays, text string manipulation. Bitwise manipulations would be&nb=
sp;nice.&nbsp;Some way to talk to a USB port would be good, but not a dealbr=
eaker. I don't need object oriented or anything fancy. Straight C will do.)<=
/div>



<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>I've got the Arduino "processing" tool installed. Does that have simula=
tion features where it will run on the computer?</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Bonus for free and legal, but I would definitely consider paying.</div>=

<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Thanks! </div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Matthew</div>
<div>Sharonville</div>
</blockquote></div><br></div></div></div><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D=
"h5">

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