The red cross recently contacted me and they have AED units on sale until
the end of the year. One in particular is the Cardiac Science Powerheart
G3 AED. It comes with an alarm cabinet and the total discount is almost
$1000. This is a good price but these are still very expensive. It is
possible to get a re-certified one (without an alarm cabinet) for around
$600.
Do we want to try and get one of these for the Hive? I've attached a
comparison chart from the red cross.
On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 10:17 PM, Craig <agent.cr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello all,
> The red cross recently contacted me and they have AED units on sale until
> the end of the year. One in particular is the Cardiac Science Powerheart G3
> AED. It comes with an alarm cabinet and the total discount is almost $1000.
> This is a good price but these are still very expensive. It is possible to
> get a re-certified one (without an alarm cabinet) for around $600.
> Do we want to try and get one of these for the Hive? I've attached a
> comparison chart from the red cross.
> Craig
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On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 10:24 PM, Dave B. <blun...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Why do we need one?
> On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 10:17 PM, Craig <agent.cr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hello all,
> > The red cross recently contacted me and they have AED units on sale until
> > the end of the year. One in particular is the Cardiac Science
> Powerheart G3
> > AED. It comes with an alarm cabinet and the total discount is almost
> $1000.
> > This is a good price but these are still very expensive. It is possible
> to
> > get a re-certified one (without an alarm cabinet) for around $600.
> > Do we want to try and get one of these for the Hive? I've attached a
> > comparison chart from the red cross.
> > Craig
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Again, why would we want one? Are we legally required to own one? Do
we get a discount on insurance for having one? Seems like a pretty
big waste of money to me.
On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 10:29 PM, Craig <agent.cr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> It's a defibrillator system. It would go in conjunction with the first aid
> cabinet.
> On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 10:24 PM, Dave B. <blun...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Why do we need one?
>> On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 10:17 PM, Craig <agent.cr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Hello all,
>> > The red cross recently contacted me and they have AED units on sale
>> > until
>> > the end of the year. One in particular is the Cardiac Science
>> > Powerheart G3
>> > AED. It comes with an alarm cabinet and the total discount is almost
>> > $1000.
>> > This is a good price but these are still very expensive. It is possible
>> > to
>> > get a re-certified one (without an alarm cabinet) for around $600.
>> > Do we want to try and get one of these for the Hive? I've attached a
>> > comparison chart from the red cross.
>> > Craig
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The EMT inside says that any access to these types of things can help in
the case that someone does have a cardiac emergency at the hive. I've
experienced it first-hand in some ALS calls that I have been on where an
AED has helped.
As someone who got lost a few times and made friends at the Spring Grove
Fire House, the distance between us and a 24x7 staffed fire house with EMS
is less than 500 feet. If we have a medical emergency, our response time
from 911 dispatch is probably in the magnitude of 120-180 seconds.
Honestly, my bigger fear is first responder access and patient extraction
should a medical emergency happen at the hive.
(BTW: If anyone wants First Aid or Adult and Juvenile BLS training, let me
know).
On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 10:17 PM, Craig <agent.cr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello all,
> The red cross recently contacted me and they have AED units on sale until
> the end of the year. One in particular is the Cardiac Science Powerheart
> G3 AED. It comes with an alarm cabinet and the total discount is almost
> $1000. This is a good price but these are still very expensive. It is
> possible to get a re-certified one (without an alarm cabinet) for around
> $600.
> Do we want to try and get one of these for the Hive? I've attached a
> comparison chart from the red cross.
> Craig
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I am leaning on the no side of things. While I do understand the importance
of them; I am not certain we need one at the hive (yet). If we have many
people down at the hive all of the time I would be more willing. That and
considering the fire house is so close.
On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 10:39 PM, Ian Wilson <u...@hive13.org> wrote:
> I'm really on the fence about this.
> The EMT inside says that any access to these types of things can help in
> the case that someone does have a cardiac emergency at the hive. I've
> experienced it first-hand in some ALS calls that I have been on where an
> AED has helped.
> As someone who got lost a few times and made friends at the Spring Grove
> Fire House, the distance between us and a 24x7 staffed fire house with EMS
> is less than 500 feet. If we have a medical emergency, our response time
> from 911 dispatch is probably in the magnitude of 120-180 seconds.
> Honestly, my bigger fear is first responder access and patient extraction
> should a medical emergency happen at the hive.
> (BTW: If anyone wants First Aid or Adult and Juvenile BLS training, let
> me know).
> Ian
> On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 10:17 PM, Craig <agent.cr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hello all,
>> The red cross recently contacted me and they have AED units on sale until
>> the end of the year. One in particular is the Cardiac Science Powerheart
>> G3 AED. It comes with an alarm cabinet and the total discount is almost
>> $1000. This is a good price but these are still very expensive. It is
>> possible to get a re-certified one (without an alarm cabinet) for around
>> $600.
>> Do we want to try and get one of these for the Hive? I've attached a
>> comparison chart from the red cross.
>> Craig
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On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 10:42 PM, Jon Neal <reporting...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I am leaning on the no side of things. While I do understand the importance
> of them; I am not certain we need one at the hive (yet). If we have many
> people down at the hive all of the time I would be more willing. That and
> considering the fire house is so close.
> Jon
> On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 10:39 PM, Ian Wilson <u...@hive13.org> wrote:
>> I'm really on the fence about this.
>> The EMT inside says that any access to these types of things can help in
>> the case that someone does have a cardiac emergency at the hive. I've
>> experienced it first-hand in some ALS calls that I have been on where an AED
>> has helped.
>> As someone who got lost a few times and made friends at the Spring Grove
>> Fire House, the distance between us and a 24x7 staffed fire house with EMS
>> is less than 500 feet. If we have a medical emergency, our response time
>> from 911 dispatch is probably in the magnitude of 120-180 seconds.
>> Honestly, my bigger fear is first responder access and patient extraction
>> should a medical emergency happen at the hive.
>> (BTW: If anyone wants First Aid or Adult and Juvenile BLS training, let
>> me know).
>> Ian
>> On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 10:17 PM, Craig <agent.cr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hello all,
>>> The red cross recently contacted me and they have AED units on sale until
>>> the end of the year. One in particular is the Cardiac Science Powerheart G3
>>> AED. It comes with an alarm cabinet and the total discount is almost $1000.
>>> This is a good price but these are still very expensive. It is possible to
>>> get a re-certified one (without an alarm cabinet) for around $600.
>>> Do we want to try and get one of these for the Hive? I've attached a
>>> comparison chart from the red cross.
>>> Craig
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If you're in the building and you're calling 911 because someone else is
injured, please send someone else out to street level and let the 911
dispatcher know that you're doing so.
If you're alone and you're the injured party who's calling 911, then yes,
it's probably wise to give them the door code over the phone.
Most places will allow door and access codes to be saved in the E911 system
(I know that we can get them via our mobile terminal when dispatch has them
-- if not, we call fire out and they'll either use their key to open the
knox box or force open the door).
On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 10:43 PM, Dave B. <blun...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Note to self: tell EMS personnel the door code when you call 911.
> On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 10:42 PM, Jon Neal <reporting...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I am leaning on the no side of things. While I do understand the
> importance
> > of them; I am not certain we need one at the hive (yet). If we have many
> > people down at the hive all of the time I would be more willing. That and
> > considering the fire house is so close.
> > Jon
> > On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 10:39 PM, Ian Wilson <u...@hive13.org> wrote:
> >> I'm really on the fence about this.
> >> The EMT inside says that any access to these types of things can help in
> >> the case that someone does have a cardiac emergency at the hive. I've
> >> experienced it first-hand in some ALS calls that I have been on where
> an AED
> >> has helped.
> >> As someone who got lost a few times and made friends at the Spring Grove
> >> Fire House, the distance between us and a 24x7 staffed fire house with
> EMS
> >> is less than 500 feet. If we have a medical emergency, our response
> time
> >> from 911 dispatch is probably in the magnitude of 120-180 seconds.
> >> Honestly, my bigger fear is first responder access and patient
> extraction
> >> should a medical emergency happen at the hive.
> >> (BTW: If anyone wants First Aid or Adult and Juvenile BLS training, let
> >> me know).
> >> Ian
> >> On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 10:17 PM, Craig <agent.cr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> Hello all,
> >>> The red cross recently contacted me and they have AED units on sale
> until
> >>> the end of the year. One in particular is the Cardiac Science
> Powerheart G3
> >>> AED. It comes with an alarm cabinet and the total discount is almost
> $1000.
> >>> This is a good price but these are still very expensive. It is
> possible to
> >>> get a re-certified one (without an alarm cabinet) for around $600.
> >>> Do we want to try and get one of these for the Hive? I've attached a
> >>> comparison chart from the red cross.
> >>> Craig
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Adding the door code to E911 would be excellent. How do we go about that?
With all of the equipment at he Hive I like to error on the side of
caution. These AED units are super easy to use even if you haven't been
trained on them and with an alarm cabinet it sets off an alarm just by
opening it. That being said these things are not cheap and there is a
firehouse just down the street.
I got this info from the Redcross because I recently got certified in CPR
and AED and I inquired about the devices. I'm curious what the general
group feels. Also slightly curious if we will see the younger people
saying no while older people saying yes. For me it's not having or having
the superman complex but instead my fear of watching somebody I know die.
I feel it's mainly important to get feedback from people like Ian who have
real experience with this type of thing.
On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 10:49 PM, Ian Wilson <u...@hive13.org> wrote:
> Actually;
> If you're in the building and you're calling 911 because someone else is
> injured, please send someone else out to street level and let the 911
> dispatcher know that you're doing so.
> If you're alone and you're the injured party who's calling 911, then yes,
> it's probably wise to give them the door code over the phone.
> Most places will allow door and access codes to be saved in the E911
> system (I know that we can get them via our mobile terminal when dispatch
> has them -- if not, we call fire out and they'll either use their key to
> open the knox box or force open the door).
> Ian
> On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 10:43 PM, Dave B. <blun...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Note to self: tell EMS personnel the door code when you call 911.
>> On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 10:42 PM, Jon Neal <reporting...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > I am leaning on the no side of things. While I do understand the
>> importance
>> > of them; I am not certain we need one at the hive (yet). If we have many
>> > people down at the hive all of the time I would be more willing. That
>> and
>> > considering the fire house is so close.
>> > Jon
>> > On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 10:39 PM, Ian Wilson <u...@hive13.org> wrote:
>> >> I'm really on the fence about this.
>> >> The EMT inside says that any access to these types of things can help
>> in
>> >> the case that someone does have a cardiac emergency at the hive. I've
>> >> experienced it first-hand in some ALS calls that I have been on where
>> an AED
>> >> has helped.
>> >> As someone who got lost a few times and made friends at the Spring
>> Grove
>> >> Fire House, the distance between us and a 24x7 staffed fire house with
>> EMS
>> >> is less than 500 feet. If we have a medical emergency, our response
>> time
>> >> from 911 dispatch is probably in the magnitude of 120-180 seconds.
>> >> Honestly, my bigger fear is first responder access and patient
>> extraction
>> >> should a medical emergency happen at the hive.
>> >> (BTW: If anyone wants First Aid or Adult and Juvenile BLS training,
>> let
>> >> me know).
>> >> Ian
>> >> On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 10:17 PM, Craig <agent.cr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>> Hello all,
>> >>> The red cross recently contacted me and they have AED units on sale
>> until
>> >>> the end of the year. One in particular is the Cardiac Science
>> Powerheart G3
>> >>> AED. It comes with an alarm cabinet and the total discount is almost
>> $1000.
>> >>> This is a good price but these are still very expensive. It is
>> possible to
>> >>> get a re-certified one (without an alarm cabinet) for around $600.
>> >>> Do we want to try and get one of these for the Hive? I've attached a
>> >>> comparison chart from the red cross.
>> >>> Craig
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The best way to do this is to call the non emergency number (or
its equivalent) and ask the dispatcher what steps need to be taken -- I
know that in Morehead, there's a form that needs to be sent back to the
Police Dept before they'll use it.
On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 11:08 PM, Craig <agent.cr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Adding the door code to E911 would be excellent. How do we go about that?
> With all of the equipment at he Hive I like to error on the side of
> caution. These AED units are super easy to use even if you haven't been
> trained on them and with an alarm cabinet it sets off an alarm just by
> opening it. That being said these things are not cheap and there is a
> firehouse just down the street.
> I got this info from the Redcross because I recently got certified in CPR
> and AED and I inquired about the devices. I'm curious what the general
> group feels. Also slightly curious if we will see the younger people
> saying no while older people saying yes. For me it's not having or having
> the superman complex but instead my fear of watching somebody I know die.
> I feel it's mainly important to get feedback from people like Ian who have
> real experience with this type of thing.
> Craig
> On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 10:49 PM, Ian Wilson <u...@hive13.org> wrote:
>> Actually;
>> If you're in the building and you're calling 911 because someone else is
>> injured, please send someone else out to street level and let the 911
>> dispatcher know that you're doing so.
>> If you're alone and you're the injured party who's calling 911, then yes,
>> it's probably wise to give them the door code over the phone.
>> Most places will allow door and access codes to be saved in the E911
>> system (I know that we can get them via our mobile terminal when dispatch
>> has them -- if not, we call fire out and they'll either use their key to
>> open the knox box or force open the door).
>> Ian
>> On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 10:43 PM, Dave B. <blun...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Note to self: tell EMS personnel the door code when you call 911.
>>> On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 10:42 PM, Jon Neal <reporting...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> > I am leaning on the no side of things. While I do understand the
>>> importance
>>> > of them; I am not certain we need one at the hive (yet). If we have
>>> many
>>> > people down at the hive all of the time I would be more willing. That
>>> and
>>> > considering the fire house is so close.
>>> > Jon
>>> > On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 10:39 PM, Ian Wilson <u...@hive13.org> wrote:
>>> >> I'm really on the fence about this.
>>> >> The EMT inside says that any access to these types of things can help
>>> in
>>> >> the case that someone does have a cardiac emergency at the hive. I've
>>> >> experienced it first-hand in some ALS calls that I have been on where
>>> an AED
>>> >> has helped.
>>> >> As someone who got lost a few times and made friends at the Spring
>>> Grove
>>> >> Fire House, the distance between us and a 24x7 staffed fire house
>>> with EMS
>>> >> is less than 500 feet. If we have a medical emergency, our response
>>> time
>>> >> from 911 dispatch is probably in the magnitude of 120-180 seconds.
>>> >> Honestly, my bigger fear is first responder access and patient
>>> extraction
>>> >> should a medical emergency happen at the hive.
>>> >> (BTW: If anyone wants First Aid or Adult and Juvenile BLS training,
>>> let
>>> >> me know).
>>> >> Ian
>>> >> On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 10:17 PM, Craig <agent.cr...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >>> Hello all,
>>> >>> The red cross recently contacted me and they have AED units on sale
>>> until
>>> >>> the end of the year. One in particular is the Cardiac Science
>>> Powerheart G3
>>> >>> AED. It comes with an alarm cabinet and the total discount is
>>> almost $1000.
>>> >>> This is a good price but these are still very expensive. It is
>>> possible to
>>> >>> get a re-certified one (without an alarm cabinet) for around $600.
>>> >>> Do we want to try and get one of these for the Hive? I've attached a
>>> >>> comparison chart from the red cross.
>>> >>> Craig
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E911 probably isn't going to work for Hive13 because we don't have a "real"
telephone.
It's been a long time since I've mentioned it, but since we use Google
Voice for the phone service, and the service is hack using Google chat and
not traditional SIP, emergency calling DOESN'T work from the phone at
Hive13. I've never dialed 911 to see what happens, but in general, Google
Voice only does 10 digit dialing, so it may not be possible to dial 911 at
all.
I think we may have also replaced the phones that had the DO NOT CALL 911
stickers on them, further compounding the issue.
Commercial VOIP providers are required to provide E911 service, and for
most of them, you can fill out the forms online with your provider. If
there is interest and funds, we can add a low cost service to the phone
setup easily.
A simpler/cheaper solution might be to put an old mobile phone in the first
aid kit, for emergency calls. It's been ages since I've dialed 911 from a
non-working mobile, but about 10 years ago it was completely possible to
call 911 then. I don't see why it's not possible now. The only issue
would be keeping the phone charged, but maybe we can just put a charger in
the first aid box? We just have to hope that whatever emergency doesn't
also take down the electricity as well.
I like the idea of an AED unit on site. I realize that we have proximity
to emergency responders, but considering the cost it seems an affordable
expense...like insurance..I would rather have it and not need it then need
it and not have it. If it is a good deal and we can afford it, then it
seems prudent to have it available.
On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 11:40 PM, Chris Anderson <deth...@gmail.com> wrote:
> E911 probably isn't going to work for Hive13 because we don't have a
> "real" telephone.
> It's been a long time since I've mentioned it, but since we use Google
> Voice for the phone service, and the service is hack using Google chat and
> not traditional SIP, emergency calling DOESN'T work from the phone at
> Hive13. I've never dialed 911 to see what happens, but in general, Google
> Voice only does 10 digit dialing, so it may not be possible to dial 911 at
> all.
> I think we may have also replaced the phones that had the DO NOT CALL 911
> stickers on them, further compounding the issue.
> Commercial VOIP providers are required to provide E911 service, and for
> most of them, you can fill out the forms online with your provider. If
> there is interest and funds, we can add a low cost service to the phone
> setup easily.
> A simpler/cheaper solution might be to put an old mobile phone in the
> first aid kit, for emergency calls. It's been ages since I've dialed 911
> from a non-working mobile, but about 10 years ago it was completely
> possible to call 911 then. I don't see why it's not possible now. The
> only issue would be keeping the phone charged, but maybe we can just put a
> charger in the first aid box? We just have to hope that whatever emergency
> doesn't also take down the electricity as well.
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Since we would be buying from the Red Cross they will come to the space and
train us for free.
On Nov 16, 2012 6:45 PM, "Jordan like the river" <five...@gmail.com> wrote:
> We would all need training to use it. Without training EMS would most
> likely be entering the building while I was still reading the instructions.
> We could make fabricating one a group project.
> I will buy guinea pigs for the testing but as how to cause the cardiac
> arrest will have to be done by someone else.
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