What if you are NOT being "led of the Spirit"?

[B A Berean]

What if you are NOT being "led of the Spirit"?

Galatians 5:18 "But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the
law."
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Are "Grace" and the "Law" opposites?

Is being "led by the Spirit" and the "Law" opposites?
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If you are being "led by the Spirit", will you break the "Law" that
the Spirit wrote?

Love in Christ Jesus,
Bob Dallmann - group moderator

[Agbasoga Ojirika]

>>If you are being "led by the Spirit", will you break the "Law" that
>>the Spirit wrote?

Well, it depends on what you mean by law. If you mean special days and observances, how about Christmas, Easter, all saints day, and so on? If one is looking for perfection in the law, one will  not find it because we cannot make ourselves perfect. However, Paul is not leaving people an excuse for sin. If you are led by the Spirit, why will you sin? Obviously, the Holy Spirit cannot lead you into sin! (I am not talking to anyone in particular.)

[B A Berean]

On Oct 30, 9:31 am, Agbasoga Ojirika <agbas...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Well, it depends on what you mean by law.

What I am referring to is the Law that is discussed in the quoted
passage of Scripture.
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> If you mean special days and
> observances, how about Christmas, Easter, all saints day, and so on? If one
> is looking for perfection in the law, one will  not find it because we
> cannot make ourselves perfect.

I agree. Through Jesus Christ, we are NOT under the CURSE of the
Law! Praise Jesus!
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> However, Paul is not leaving people an excuse
> for sin. If you are led by the Spirit, why will you sin? Obviously, the Holy
> Spirit cannot lead you into sin! (I am not talking to anyone in particular.)

I agree again! The Holy Spirit will NEVER lead you to sin (i.e. BREAK
the Law!)
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[Agbasoga Ojirika]

>>What I am referring to is the Law that is discussed in the quoted
>>passage of Scripture.

 

Well Paul said that the law was given to show man how impossible it is to please God by works. Many people try to use this as an excuse to sin because "works" are not needed for salvation. This is what christians should not misunderstand. What the apostles are sayinmg is, " Leave yourslef at the mercy and control of the Holy Spirit" They Holy Spirit cannot lead anyone to sin. Anyone that sins does so by hios own "free"will(?)

[B A Berean]

AMEN!!!! I agree! If we are led by the Spirit we are NOT under the
Law. Why? Because the Holy Spirit will NEVER lead us to break the
Law!
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[B A Berean]

On Oct 29, 11:18 pm, B A Berean <rob...@spreadsheetpower.com> wrote:
> What if you are NOT being "led of the Spirit"?
>
> Galatians 5:18  "But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the
> law."
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If being led by the Spirit means that we are NOT under the Law, if you
are NOT being led of the Spirit, does that mean you ARE under the Law?

[Agbasoga Ojirika]

Yes and you will definitely break it.

[B A Berean]

Galatians 5:18  "But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the
law."
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In Christian circles, there is much talk about "Grace vs Law", as if
they are in opposition to one another. It is frequently heard that we
are "not under the Law".

Question: The following is an example of an Old Testament Law...

"Thou shalt not kill."

Does God expect us to KEEP this Law? Are we then UNDER the Law?

[Agbasoga Ojirika]

The Spirit of God clearly will not lead you to do that. On the other hand, those that are under the law will break this law. O Yes! (could you please remind me the penalty for adultery under the mosiac law? It's death by stoning!

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[B A Berean]

On Dec 4, 9:11 am, Agbasoga Ojirika <agbas...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The Spirit of God clearly will not lead you to do that. On the other hand,
> those that are under the law will break this law. O Yes! (could you please
> remind me the penalty for adultery under the mosiac law? It's death by
> stoning!

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Amen! I am so glad that I am NOT under the CURSE of the Law anymore!
Thank you Jesus for your Salvation!

I am not under the CURSE of the Law, but when I am NOT being led by
the Spirit, I AM under the Law (NOT the curse of it.)

[Jan-nine. L. B]

I am just so curious, that being a spirit filled christian would make so many religious and other groups angry, I would guess they are more scared that they could be wrong and us christians are on to something? any comments are ok besides everything said or thought are recoreded by Father God as he said he searches the hearts and minds of all. 
 

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[B A Berean]

On Dec 4, 1:38 pm, "Jan-nine. L. B" <realblonderedh...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

> I am just so curious, that being a spirit filled christian would make so many religious and other groups angry, I would guess they are more scared that they could be wrong and us christians are on to something? any comments are ok besides everything said or thought are recoreded by Father God as he said he searches the hearts and minds of all.

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Hi Jan-nine,

I would agree with you. Other cults and religions are terrified of
Jesus Christ and His Church. You are right, they are AFRAID that they
might be wrong!

What makes me say this? Just look at other countries. In America,
there is some level of religious freedom. The Christian foundations
of this country did not try to make other religions illegal, because
we are not afraid of their lies.

However, do a little research into what will happen to you if you are
a Christian in Islamic, Buddhist, Hindu and other countries. In most
of those countries, it is illegal to evangelize people from the
predominant religion. I most of those countries, you can be arrested
for your faith. In many, Christian churches must meet "underground".
And in some cases, people are killed for the name of Jesus.

I have often thought about this. If these other religions are the
"truth", why do they take such extreme actions against those who
represent religions other than their own? Because their religion is
NOT the "truth" and the founder of their religion (Satan) is terrified
that his followers might get saved! Remember, his plan is to steal,
kill and destroy.

Great thought! Thanks for the post!

[Jan-nine]

Hi there Agbasoga Ojirika,

 

I am not sure if you are attacking the Christian faith, or you are a Christian on his way to full freedom in Christ. Let me give you two or three answers, I am not afraid of any legalistic appraisals. I  have Christ to Protect me, I was baptized as a Morman when I was 8 and until 6 years ago I thought my works were going to get me to Heaven, Wrong ding dong. Life is a gift that God Has given us not for a price but at a price, His life was taken for us. actually He put Himself up for us, His Blood for us. For every drop of his Blood meant every breath we take He holds. There is one condition His life for us, now what I am saying is He gave us a free gift, we are save by grace, and His love.

You mentioned that judgment for adultery is punishable by stoning, Wow does that go for men as well? Next did you know that adultery is not just by the act but by what is in your heart. So a Christ said, if you have lust in your heart, you have committed adultery, so if that is the case, then I am in the line to be stoned. So what I am getting at, right have you by chance had lust in your heart for someone. So if I am having a legalist mind and not the mind of Christ, I would have judged you and committed you to stoning. Next question was just women who were stoned, and men were allowed to be weak in thought and actions, there are so many different laws that the Muslim law  and religious clerics made and implemented, so now that I have I have crossed the line most women would be scared to do, am I advised to stay away from the countries that despise freedom of thought and speech.

If I have totally got you mixed up with some questions you are trying to work.

but first if you have not found Christ, He has wanted everyone with Him in the end. He is no prophet, but He is Gods Son, in that he is God.

So if you are looking for freedom in Him, you can accept Him by saying a simple Prayer, that along these lines you are sorry for your Sin, thought and action, He will forgive you, for your past, he does not expect you to become some Bible Bashing freakazoid, but to learn about Him, read on Him He loves you and me and he does not want anything but you.

love Jan-nine

[Agbasoga Ojirika]

Thanks for your concern. I am a christian and so I am not attacking the christian faith. What I am saying is that if you obey the law, you will stone someone to death for adultery and the law says not to kill. I am just pointing out the deficiency of the law in making someone perfect.

2009/12/4 Jan-nine <jan_...@bigpond.com>

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[B A Berean]

For me, I fully agree that the Law cannot ever make anyone perfect!
Salvation comes only from Jesus' death, burial and resurrection. By
this, He has set us FREE from the CURSE of the Law!

My point is that Christians are NOT under the CURSE of the Law, but
when we are not being led by the Holy Spirit, we ARE under the Law
(NOT the Curse of it!)

Honestly, do you really believe that Jesus' Blood sets you FREE from
the necessity to keep God's moral Laws? Does Jesus' Blood allow you
to violate the following Laws (for example)?

* Thou shalt not kill.
* Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife.
* Thou shalt not steal.

Personally, the amazing Grace of God enables me to KEEP His Laws! I
am not under the Law when I allow His Holy Spirit to lead me!

[Agbasoga Ojirika]

The verse that you originally quoted, was condeming (I surpose) antinomianism which literally means againstlawism (Robert Gundry). Freedom in Christ is not a license to sin, Gal 5:13 says,"You, my brothers, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the sinful nature; rather, serve one another in love"

2009/12/4 B A Berean <rob...@spreadsheetpower.com>

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[B A Berean]

On Dec 4, 11:11 pm, Agbasoga Ojirika <agbas...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The verse that you originally quoted, was condeming (I surpose) *antinomianism
> *which literally means againstlawism (Robert Gundry). Freedom in Christ is

> not a license to sin, Gal 5:13 says,"You, my brothers, were called to be
> free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the sinful nature; rather,
> serve one another in love"

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AMEN! Freedom in Jesus gives us what is needed to love and obey Him!