White Privilege over Negroes?
Aaron Goldstein
> in what continues to be a racist society, that discriminates against
> black people in employment, housing, law enforcement, and on and on
> it is amazing how many white people can pretend to be in disbelief
> that black people can become angry at the unfairness. much of this
> black anger that you attempt to call "black racism" with the feeble
> argument that you present above is a an understandable angry reaction
> to white racism.
I do not need any privilege over Negroes.
If the Negroes stopped leeching off the white people, stopped consuming
welfare funds and stopped stealing and committing violent crimes, which
they do disproportionately more than whites, I would only be very happy
and would stop calling them Negroes. But, as things stand, the whining,
stealing, welfare-consuming, drug-infested Negroes do not deserve my
respect. The hardworking black people deserve my enormous respect,
but they are few and far between.
Niggers in Africa live in hell, compared to the US, because they have no
white people to leech off of.
> now you show me where black people have
> comparative advantage relative to white people *as a group*
Niggers are at a comparative disadvantage relative to whites because
they are stupid. They have low IQ. Read THE BELL CURVE.
However... You, Robert, are a pleasant exception amongs the generally
stupid negroes. You are actually a smart person who is a black racist,
that is, someone not afraid to make proper generalizations about races.
Your support of black racism is most welcome. I wish more Negroes were
like you. You are the living proof that your race may have a future that
is better than its past. All that is needed is preventing stupid Negroes
from breeding.
Dusty Rhodes
news:9482384...@interaccess.com...
Go away, you stupid, hatefull little troll.
Cheers,
Dusty
Amanda
> Ronald wrote:
> > in what continues to be a racist society, that discriminates against
> > black people in employment, housing, law enforcement, and on and on
> > it is amazing how many white people can pretend to be in disbelief
> > that black people can become angry at the unfairness. much of this
> > black anger that you attempt to call "black racism" with the feeble
> > argument that you present above is a an understandable angry reaction
> > to white racism.
>
> I do not need any privilege over Negroes.
I'm sorry, what did you say? I didn't hear you because I was laughing so
hard at your HEBE surname.
-Amanda COHEN
Tommy the Terrorist
out of these arguments on Decatur, instead of remaining
as some kind of hidden scaffolding for other arguments
that do not stand up for themselves.
The advantage of arguing directly on the issue of racism,
rather than on these other "front" issues that people had
been talking about, is that it isn't a total waste of
time. We don't see one bogus argument batted out of the
way to be replaced by another and another and another,
each ludicrous but trying to reinforce the overall
conclusion, and each a sort of disposable cannon fodder
of an argument which doesn't really have to stand, but
which is only supposed to wear out the opposing debater.
In article <9482384...@interaccess.com> Aaron Goldstein,
mr.aaron....@interaccess.com writes:
>If the Negroes stopped leeching off the white people, stopped consuming
>welfare funds and stopped stealing and committing violent crimes, which
>they do disproportionately more than whites, I would only be very happy
>and would stop calling them Negroes. But, as things stand, the whining,
>stealing, welfare-consuming, drug-infested Negroes do not deserve my
>respect. The hardworking black people deserve my enormous respect,
>but they are few and far between.
Now here, my friend, we have some of the most honest words
spoken on the Decatur thread since the first post. What
he says is, I think, what a lot of people feel. How many
of us have walked down a street to be begged for money by
two, three, four different able-bodied, well-dressed people
- every once in a while, even one stopping his automobile
to give us some story? How many people do we see coming in
and out of those wretched housing projects? Who do we see
on the news media, accused of killing this and killing that.
And what races were they? Yeah, it's easy to get that feeling...
---BUT---
... just because you can get a certain impression doesn't mean
that it's correct.
To stand against racism is not a choice made in the rational
self interest. If a taxi driver decides not to be racist, is
he safer for it? On Martin Luther King day they marched on
the Pacific Garden Mission, to protest an ordinance demanding
that they show nondiscrimination in picking up fares. That's
quite a statement, and we see where they are coming from.
What could possibly, possibly, be worth more than their own
self-preservation?
To the person living especially in Chicago, it seems like
racism is virtually invulnerable. One takes it in with every
breath; one just begins to start to ignore these funny-colored
people who start gibbering some line at you along the street
that you know will always end up with some kind of monetary
hook to it... one just begins to stop caring. But before
the victory is sealed, before the last barrier to racism falls,
isn't it about time to look behind the invulnerable facade?
We KNOW where this situation started. We KNOW how much of
a difference there is between the person who grows up with
nothing and the person who grows up with everything. We
know where the slaves came from, and we know what they had,
and we know what they had even after the system was officially
abolished.
And we know about Jim Crow laws, and the Ku Klux Klan, about
men who were trained at gunpoint to answer to "boy", about
the efforts of generations and generations to MAKE blacks
assume the humiliating identity that so repulses us now,
where they so often seem to have no shame because they have
not had the habit of daring to have pride.
We know that this ended WHEN? In 1865? not hardly. In 1917?
Guess again. In 1957? Like hell it did. We know that the
whole system of forced racism AND THE CULTURAL TRAITS IT
DEMANDED continued right on into the 1960's, to a point not
more than two generations ago, and for many not even one
generation ago. The kids considering whether to get an
education today are the children of the men who were
educated under the GI bill only to find out that they
weren't going to get any kind of a job but pushing a broom.
And after that, there was still the profiling, still the
shootings and framings of leaders of groups like the Black
Panthers that actually DID stand up and have some pride,
and the immediate institution of a system of welfare and
public housing that I think that everyone on all sides
recognizes as being failed and encouraging the most
counter productive results possible, regardless of what we
say is the proper way to deal with poverty. People can't
always agree on what is the genuine article, but they can
certainly agree on the obvious fake.
Then, there was the CIA and its smuggling of heroin from
southeast Asia and cocaine from south America and now I
even hear something about how they might have been into
methamphetamine... have you ever wondered why it would
be, that dope dealers catering to suburbanites would always
set themselves up in the most carefully watched and most
dangerous part of town? Have you ever wondered just how
it is that the most addictive and deadly drugs have stayed
always popular, while the most innocuous drugs seem to
fade in and out of availability? You may say all that is
'conspiracy theory', do it if you want. But somehow we
need to recognize that it is not ONLY the crushing poverty
of the ghettoes that turned people to drugs... because there
is no shortage of dope-seeking teenagers, corrupt cops, or
people looking for a quick buck in the areas with a high
white population, yet somehow they never seem to become
the principal exporting locations. Ignore it if you want,
but try to remember that the machinations of organized
crime, whether or not they are truly under control of the
CIA, do not represent the people of the area where the
mob decides to operate.
>Niggers are at a comparative disadvantage relative to whites because
>they are stupid. They have low IQ. Read THE BELL CURVE.
If "affirmative action" is futile, as some here have been
arguing, then maybe it's time to question just how it is
that no one is taking "affirmative action" about East
Saint Louis and its wretched "education" system. They
are known for the worst school system in the country,
and it is easy to see why - in the game of capitalism,
the businesses have fled, and the people most in need
of help have been thrown in in their place, until the
books stopped balancing. But it's not easy to see why
anyone would think that it is in his long-term best
interest to have those kids treated like that. Look
up www.aclu-il.org on the topic... they have plenty to say.
So let's go back over and have another look - we have
the end of segregation within two generations; we have
lingering traces of racism particularly in terms of who
is subjected to greatest scrutiny for petty violations;
we have continued differences in education; we have
continued disparities in who knows who - if the old
adage about it not being what you know but who you
know remains valid, then WHO do the blacks know?; we
have, in short, a system where the combination of
financial difference and lingering discrimination and
lingering segregation into rich and poor societies
all lead NOT ONLY to the measurable financial differences,
the measurable differences in scores on tests, the
measurable differences in arrest and conviction rates -
BUT ALSO, we see that there is a CULTURAL oppression,
a sense of expectation of failure, a lack of pride,
a situation where a child is supposed to look up to
his parents and grandparents, and yet he is supposed
to elevate himself far, far beyond the menial things
that they had to do and to put up with.
Now, that point taken, we can say that we think that
there are things wrong with the black culture, and we
can point out various motes in our neighbors' eyes with
great pleasure and unctuous helpfulness. But there is
some nagging feeling that should be getting out of
control, if we knew what was good for us.
The nagging feeling? If the black culture has been
distorted and oppressed and made contemptible by the
impact of racial oppression, then don't you suppose
that there has been some impact on the white culture?
Don't you suppose that the tendency of whites always
to be hunting up some excuse to lock each other up,
or to spoil every opportunity for some good clean
decent fun, or to shut down every honest word spoken,
don't you think THESE things come from somewhere?
It is easy to see the pride that the blacks have lost,
pride it will take generations to recover. But what
the whites have lost is something more precious. What
the blacks have lost, makes them loathsome to the eyes
of man; but what the whites have lost, makes them
loathsome to the eyes of God.
The religious cannot be glossed over in these things.
Everyone from the SCLC to Martin Luther King to our
controversial guest, Jesse Jackson, has been moved
by religion, and it's easy to see why - because the
racism seems so vast and overpowering, so impossible
to defeat, so entrenched and inevitable. People
have relied on the awareness of God to try to tell
themselves, that there are times when mere logic
fails to capture the essence of reality. This is,
in fact, one of those times. Men like Jesse Jackson
are made strong when they feel weak, because they can
move forward along what they know is the right path
EVEN when they probably believe by every honest
calculation that what they're trying to do is hopeless.
And it is important also, I would say, to try to link
these issues to the battle that the religious people
talk about at the end of the world. It seemed like a
fairy tale, but it doesn't seem like so much of a fairy
tale nowadays, does it? If the nukes weren't enough
to get people to sit up and take notice, then how about
the question of
HOW PERFECTLY ENGINEERED DO YOU WANT YOUR CHILDREN TO
BE, SO THAT THEY CAN EFFICIENTLY SERVE THE ECONOMIC
SYSTEM AND THE STATE AND NEVER EVER DO ANYTHING "WRONG"?
Hey, remember - you say that it's alright to discriminate
against blacks because you think that they're inferior.
But what are you going to do when they're running their
fingers through YOUR DNA? What are you going to do when
they're saying that you have such and such a potential
to go on a shooting rampage, even if it's one in 10,000,
and they want you to take some special psych dope to make
you stop thinking of things that might set you off, make
you angry? What are you going to do when they say that
you don't have the genetic potential to be very good at
a certain science, so it would be a waste of money and
a danger to society to let you learn chemistry? What
are you going to do when they decide that you're too
prone to melancholy, and might commit suicide unless they
put a chip in your goddamned HEAD to spot patterns of
depressed thought as they're arising and negatively
condition them through electric stimulation to negative-
reinforcement centers? What are you going to do when
the only people who can take any meaningful part in the
economy at all, are the agents of the BEAST, as the old
prophet called it - when they are running around with
infrared rapid communication panels in their hands or
foreheads, tying into the global net, downloading the
memories of people who know how to do this and that and
the other thing instantly, seeing through the eyes of
people halfway across the world, speaking any language as
fast as their embedded electronics can figure out what it
is --- and when the only little catch, the only little
cost, is some mythological entity called the "soul", a
little issue of freedom and privacy and whether you WANT
to have the NSA looking through your eyes and hearing
through your ears, sifting your memories and controlling
positively and negatively your habits... but they trust
their government, they love their government, which uses
them with maximal efficiency and would never let the
slaves come to harm if it can possibly be helped...
are you ready to say no to all that, to be a freeloader,
a criminal, a vagabond in a system that has no place for
you, which sees you as inefficient as any primeval Indian
trying to hold his land, which sees you as a dangerous
uncontrolled violent entity that cannot be tolerated?
Are you ready to go before the last tribunal, and call
upon the name of the Lord, and have your head cut from
your shoulders, and be saved, rather than live a life
of luxury and <absolute> security as a happy little
programmed cog in the Beast's imaginary network of
perfect efficiency and (for the compliant) pleasure?
Be proud, racist, that you have had the courage to speak
your mind honestly, and raise the question. Now the
question is if you find your way to the answer.
Dan Barnes
>
> In some ways it is a good thing to see frank racism come
> out of these arguments on Decatur, instead of remaining
> as some kind of hidden scaffolding for other arguments
> that do not stand up for themselves.
---snip---
> Be proud, racist, that you have had the courage to speak
> your mind honestly, and raise the question. Now the
> question is if you find your way to the answer.
Whew! Who put a quarter in him?
HeyShitForBrains
>
> In article <9482384...@interaccess.com>,
> mr.aaron....@interaccess.com A RACIST & NOT A JEW WROTE:
>
> > If the Negroes stopped leeching off the white people, stopped consuming
> > welfare funds
>
> are rural whites and not urban blacks.
And I hate to break it to the both of you but proportionately for any
given race the African American race gets FAR more welfare dollars than
any other race in the US.
Then add in the ability to check a box on college entrance forms to
obtain seats, scholarship awards and other free collegiate tuition due
to athletic scholarships at every college in the US and the ability to
qualify for govt. sponsored loans.
Then add in the ability of African American job applicants to check a
box on every employment form that gives them preferential treatment in
obtaining employment over everyone else.
Then add in all the local freebees at the state and city level..etc,
etc, etc, and you have to wonder how the rest of us can afford to eat!
HeyShitForBrains
> ... just because you can get a certain impression doesn't mean
> that it's correct.
NO IT IS CORRECT. MUCH MORE IS GOING ON HERE AND IT IS OBVIOUS.
The US Govt. is using the ghettoes murderous ways to take away the
rights and freedoms the rest of us as we are suppoosed to have according
to the Bill of Right's. The failed Socialist programs are ripping away
the right's of every American citizen.
Then we have people like "Goldstein" on one side and the currently
elected administration running the White House and Jesse Jackson on the
other...race baiters who try to keep us apart so that as a Nation we
never find a middle ground that we can be happy with.
We need to ban the groups and mechanisms that the Goldstien's and
Jacksons use (be they black or white) and put and end to all social
promotion. Then we need to get minorities dispersed out of the ghettos
and into the mainstream. This last effort will displace people across
the US to every state and city and that must be done so that persons
from all over the US interact with minorities. I say give them all a
small home...this would be the last effort made to help them out AND NOT
A DIME MORE. The shitheads not willing to move out of govt. subsidized
housing we will put the farthest away, to the North of Ancorage, Alaska!
> To stand against racism is not a choice made in the rational
> self interest. If a taxi driver decides not to be racist, is
> he safer for it?
I still do not see how a person making the decision not to drive into
certain neighborhoods where crime is MUCH greater is a racist. I think
that person is rational and simply is avoiding the inevitable that if
he/she drives into that zone they are going to be harmed. Taxi drivers
are not public servants like CTA drivers! The taxi drivers do not have
police protection like the CTA busses either!
AJ Scott
folk, but when it comes to the Decatur incident, I can only offer the following observation:
'Scuse me, but I didn't see any white folks wailing on other people in those videos. Plain and
simple, if you were idenitfied on that tape as someone kicking ass on the people sitting next to
you, you deserve everything you get, regardless of what race you happen to be.
When it comes to behavior like this in the Decatur fiasco, you have two choices -- and in situations
like this, you *always* have a choice: 1) Join the fracas and take your lumps later for being the
uncivilized asshole you are, or 2) Walk away.
There are way too many fucking whiners in this country these days who refuse to accept
responsibility for their own actions.
Scott
Jerome Jahnke
>
> SOME ASS WITH USERNAME: "Keep it to Usenet" AT telocity.net WROTE:
> >
> > In article <9482384...@interaccess.com>,
> > mr.aaron....@interaccess.com A RACIST & NOT A JEW WROTE:
> >
> > > If the Negroes stopped leeching off the white people, stopped consuming
> > > welfare funds
> >
> > I hate to break it to you, but the vast majority of welfare recipients
> > are rural whites and not urban blacks.
>
> And I hate to break it to the both of you but proportionately for any
> given race the African American race gets FAR more welfare dollars than
> any other race in the US.
Well then, this is the point in the conversations where those of us with
brains say "sources please" just becuase you havea gut feeling about
something doesn't make it true, and since you are breaking it to us you
won't mind backing it up with at least a URL or two.
> Then add in the ability to check a box on college entrance forms to
> obtain seats, scholarship awards and other free collegiate tuition due
> to athletic scholarships at every college in the US and the ability to
> qualify for govt. sponsored loans.
Well I went to school with both Gubbiment Grants and cheap loans.
Millions of dollars go un awarded in both gubbiment grants and
scholarships each year. It isn't like minorities are stealing from
anyone there. I probably could have gotten through school without paying
for anything.
> Then add in the ability of African American job applicants to check a
> box on every employment form that gives them preferential treatment in
> obtaining employment over everyone else.
Hmmmmmmmmm given the jobs most of em get are low end jobs are you sure
you wanna complain about that. You wanna clean out the toilets at
Denny's?
> Then add in all the local freebees at the state and city level..etc,
> etc, etc, and you have to wonder how the rest of us can afford to eat!
I wonder why you give a shit. You clearly are well off enough that you
can afford access to the internet (which requires a computer, a phone
line, a somewhat reliable powersource, and money for the above.) What do
you care that your tax money goes to help people who are less fortunate?
Personally I never understood this mentality. I look at the pay check
and I see the money I get to put into my bank account. NOT the amount
the gubbiment takes from me.
Jer,
Tommy the Terrorist
YouMust...@YourLoc.com writes:
>And I hate to break it to the both of you but proportionately for any
>given race the African American race gets FAR more welfare dollars than
>any other race in the US.
Heh heh heh.
I bet NOT.
I redirect your attention to "farm subsidies", which are given to rural
landholders, who are 99.44% white (well, that's a made up statistic,
but it's a decent throw at the target I say). I bet if you tot up those
farm subsidies vs. urban "welfare", both of which serve THE SAME
PURPOSE* of allowing the family to live on some location, and both
of which essentially reward not working, in the case of the farm
subsidies even to the point of paying people NOT to grow crops -
well, I bet you'll find out that welfare isn't really so much in the
overall scheme of things.
* not quite the same purpose - note that the whites are given money
to stay on their own land and keep their rights, while blacks are given
a rat-infested filthy hole of public housing to go live in and get shot
at all the time, which they don't even own.
HeyShitForBrains
>
> In article <38860FBF...@YourLoc.com> HeyShitForBrains,
> YouMust...@YourLoc.com writes:
> >And I hate to break it to the both of you but proportionately for any
> >given race the African American race gets FAR more welfare dollars than
> >any other race in the US.
>
> Heh heh heh.
>
> I bet NOT.
>
> I redirect your attention to "farm subsidies", which are given to rural
> landholders, who are 99.44% white (well, that's a made up statistic,
> but it's a decent throw at the target I say).
Well...I think farm subsidies are an unusual way of looking at what is
not called a welfare program but a program there to help reduce or
enhance the production of a given crop. But you can guess what I will
tell you given that you had read any of my posts.
TAKE THAT MONEY AWAY TOO AND RETURN IT TO THE TAXPAYERS!
There should be less welfare of every kind corporate or individual. Lets
let the chips fall where they may and see what we really have a need for
in this country. If we return 50% of the taxed income across the board
then hundreds of billions of dollars will flow into the economy for
things that will need to be manufactured, developed, etc. Services and
products of all kinds will flourish and people will have better living
standards than ever before.
I say return 50% of all taxed income to the people of the US and see
what programs cause the most problems when either abolished or reduced.
Then act accordingly and reduce the harm done to a point where we all
understand our duty is not the redistribution of funds. If you wan to
grow corn...good, then you had better know what it takes to do so
economically and be able to financially navigate the pitfalls of doing
so.
As far as capital gains goes if you are a family with less than $5
million dollars in assets then there shouldn't be any capital gains
taxes at all. People with total assets beyond $5 million should look
forward to paying some capital gains as well as all businesses. If you
went into business to make money then you should be expected to pay some
form of capital gains...you have been depreciating your property as a
tax deduction so you sure as heck should pay on the gains made.
> I bet if you tot up those
> farm subsidies vs. urban "welfare", both of which serve THE SAME
> PURPOSE* of allowing the family to live on some location, and both
> of which essentially reward not working, in the case of the farm
> subsidies even to the point of paying people NOT to grow crops -
> well, I bet you'll find out that welfare isn't really so much in the
> overall scheme of things.
>
> * not quite the same purpose - note that the whites are given money
> to stay on their own land and keep their rights, while blacks are given
> a rat-infested filthy hole of public housing to go live in and get shot
> at all the time, which they don't even own.
I believe they can leave at any time. In fact recent history proves that
you cannot get them to leave. They do not own the property and were
given a great benefit in being able to temporarily use the land to get
themselves on their feet. That is all the buildings were evere designed
for...NOT the development of three generations of lazy overbread
assholes!
HeyShitForBrains
>
> HeyShitForBrains wrote:
> >
> > SOME ASS WITH USERNAME: "Keep it to Usenet" AT telocity.net WROTE:
> > >
> > > In article <9482384...@interaccess.com>,
> > > mr.aaron....@interaccess.com A RACIST & NOT A JEW WROTE:
> > >
> > > > If the Negroes stopped leeching off the white people, stopped consuming
> > > > welfare funds
> > >
> > > I hate to break it to you, but the vast majority of welfare recipients
> > > are rural whites and not urban blacks.
> >
> > given race the African American race gets FAR more welfare dollars than
> > any other race in the US.
>
> brains say "sources please" just becuase you havea gut feeling about
> something doesn't make it true, and since you are breaking it to us you
> won't mind backing it up with at least a URL or two.
>
> > Then add in the ability to check a box on college entrance forms to
> > obtain seats, scholarship awards and other free collegiate tuition due
> > to athletic scholarships at every college in the US and the ability to
> > qualify for govt. sponsored loans.
>
> Well I went to school with both Gubbiment Grants and cheap loans.
> Millions of dollars go un awarded in both gubbiment grants and
> scholarships each year. It isn't like minorities are stealing from
> anyone there. I probably could have gotten through school without paying
> for anything.
Loans for education should be supported. Scholarships for all sports
should be abandoned immediately. Taxpayers should not be expected to put
basketball and football players through school. If professional teams
want to sponsor a fund to put students through the training that is
fine.
In fact all businesses that are able to should adopt a
school...especially in the inner cities where the money is needed to
support ongoing costs of maintaining the infrastructure. Tax reductions
should be dollar for dollar for these types of things...WE NEED THE
SCHOOLS TO BE THE BEST AVAILABLE IN THE WORLD. You could even put a
"soft cap" on what is allowed per public school...say twenty million
total from all resources. Private schools naturally get whatever they
can...but we really need to develop our public schools.
> > Then add in the ability of African American job applicants to check a
> > box on every employment form that gives them preferential treatment in
> > obtaining employment over everyone else.
>
> Hmmmmmmmmm given the jobs most of em get are low end jobs are you sure
> you wanna complain about that. You wanna clean out the toilets at
> Denny's?
Somebody has to do it. Just pay them what the going rate is for it and
don't take so much in taxes.
Everyone starts somewhere. I use to do concrete work for $5 to $7 / hour
in the early 1980's...$10 / hour in 1985 and they didn't pay overtime
either...and you worked every day of the month except for two days a
month over the summer and we had Sundays off in the winter. We broke all
of the concrete by hand with a sledge hammer, loaded it into the wheel
barrow by hand and then even loaded it into the truck to be taken to the
dump by hand. Did that for almost nine years. When I started I was all
of 5'8" tall and weighed all of 165 lbs and when I quit to start into
the electrical work I weighed about 190lbs.
People smoking dope sitting on the street corner can eat dead crow for
all I care and every time I drive by them I want to spit out the window
at the lazy assholes.
> > Then add in all the local freebees at the state and city level..etc,
> > etc, etc, and you have to wonder how the rest of us can afford to eat!
>
> I wonder why you give a shit. You clearly are well off enough that you
> can afford access to the internet (which requires a computer, a phone
> line, a somewhat reliable powersource, and money for the above.) What do
> you care that your tax money goes to help people who are less fortunate?
I graduated from college in 1998 at the age of 38. I am not yet working.
I decided to study Unix and Java so that I would be able to work fairly
well upon entering the workforce. Yes it is hard on my family but we
make do at the time.
I am not well off period. I will be in need of a heart valve replacement
in less than ten years probably. Yet I do not want govt. fucking
subsidized health care because it will suck to high heaven. Leave the
govt. out of our pockets, schools, and lets get back to the basics of a
constitution and Bill of Rights. When I can afford health care I will go
for another doppler....
> Personally I never understood this mentality. I look at the pay check
> and I see the money I get to put into my bank account. NOT the amount
> the gubbiment takes from me.
>
> Jer,
Well then you need to fucking wake up.
AJ Scott
>
>Loans for education should be supported. Scholarships for all sports
>should be abandoned immediately. Taxpayers should not be expected to put
>basketball and football players through school. If professional teams
>want to sponsor a fund to put students through the training that is
>fine.
Are you thinking that athletic scholariships are the same as, say, PELL grants? Grants and
scholarships ain't the same thing, altho they serve the same end purpose, which is to help put
someone thru school. Also, kids who get athletic scholarships not only have to meet grade
requirements, but they're in school to obtain a non-athletic degree. There's no such thing as a
college student who does nothing but play whatever spot you happen to pick. The fact that some of
them get drafted by professional sports teams is secondary. Besides, what's so goddamn dishonorable
about making a living trying to smack a baseball over the fence or slam-dunking a basketball,
anyway? Talent isn't solely confined to laboratories.
>In fact all businesses that are able to should adopt a
>school...especially in the inner cities where the money is needed to
>support ongoing costs of maintaining the infrastructure.
Well, gee, maybe if all those inner city slumlords and white/black/hispanic/"other" trash homeowners
would fix their dilapidated buildings and Chicago and Cook County's legislators would quit running
businesses out of town with regressive taxation, maybe there would be an increase in property values
and property and business tax dollars to support those infrastructures, education included, which
would in turn circumvent the need for anyone to adopt anything. If a city or county wants to make it
all the more harder for me to do business, well, as a business or industry owner I'd adopt a "fuck
your guys and the citizenry" attitude, too, and start looking toward the more friendly climates of
the collar counties or northwest Indiana. So let Chicago and Cook County burn for all I care.
Businesses adopting schools in their neighborhood would do so to, theoretically, provide the
additional investment for training students who would or could go to work at these businesses.
However, if your own legislators don't give a shit about you and the kids graduating high school
can't see their way clear to be able to fill out a job application properly, the problems are far
deeper than a business adopting a school could even hope to begin to fix.
Quite frankly, adopting a stretch of highway sees far more long-term results than adopting a school.
(rest of post snipped)
Scott
HeyShitForBrains
at a reasonable mark? Check that out will you?
AJ Scott wrote:
>
> On Thu, 20 Jan 2000 01:29:15 -0600, HeyShitForBrains <YouMust...@YourLoc.com> said this:
>
> >
> >Loans for education should be supported. Scholarships for all sports
> >should be abandoned immediately. Taxpayers should not be expected to put
> >basketball and football players through school. If professional teams
> >want to sponsor a fund to put students through the training that is
> >fine.
>
> Are you thinking that athletic scholariships are the same as, say, PELL
> grants? Grants and scholarships ain't the same thing, altho they serve the
> same end purpose, which is to help put someone thru school.
NO. I know the difference. Academia is not the place to hone your
professional basketball talents at the expense of all other taxpayers
money. I have a degree myself and the loans that went with it.
> Also, kids who get athletic scholarships not only have to meet grade
> requirements, but they're in school to obtain a non-athletic degree.
> There's no such thing as a college student who does nothing but
> play whatever spot you happen to pick. The fact that some of them
> get drafted by professional sports teams is secondary. Besides,
> what's so goddamn dishonorable about making a living trying to
> smack a baseball over the fence or slam-dunking a basketball,
> anyway? Talent isn't solely confined to laboratories.
Nothing is wrong with it. Do it on your own dime that's all. I do not
find it in the least bit important that you slam dunk or play football
at all.
You are also talking to a guy who played ice hockey for at least ten
years. I took courses at some schools when I first got out fo high
school and never showed up and got a "B." That was in my stupid youth. I
as an adult abhor the use of youth to build team spirit and school image
which in the end does nothing for 99.99% of all collegiate athletes. At
the Big 12/13 university that I attended where I achieved my degree
students missed tests, homework, etc...and never made it up. I know
because I had the idiots in my classes several times.
It is more likely that a person entering the educational system in the
US will end up a doctor than a professional athlete...so lets quit
kidding ourselves. Lets put and end to the waste of our tax dollars
already. If the professional teams want to open up a fund and sponsor
the bullshit then let them do it. The US is in debt to the tune of at
least a trillion dollars. We don't need the friggin debt anymore. Pay
down the debt first.
> >In fact all businesses that are able to should adopt a
> >school...especially in the inner cities where the money is needed to
> >support ongoing costs of maintaining the infrastructure.
>
> Well, gee, maybe if all those inner city slumlords and white/black/hispanic/"other" trash homeowners
> would fix their dilapidated buildings and Chicago and Cook County's legislators would quit running
> businesses out of town with regressive taxation, maybe there would be an increase in property values
> and property and business tax dollars to support those infrastructures, education included, which
> would in turn circumvent the need for anyone to adopt anything. If a city or county wants to make it
> all the more harder for me to do business, well, as a business or industry owner I'd adopt a "fuck
> your guys and the citizenry" attitude, too, and start looking toward the more friendly climates of
> the collar counties or northwest Indiana. So let Chicago and Cook County burn for all I care.
>
I don't care about Cook either for the most part. I am from DuPage but
live on the South Side and have family all over Chicago. Beautiful city
but it has many problems that are due to too low a tax base...and A HUGE
AMOUNT OF TAXES THAT REMAIN UNCOLLECTED EVERY YEAR IN MINORITY
NEIGHBORHOODS.
Maybe if you knew what you were talking about that would be better too.
Ever rent a nice apartment to an inner city asshole and return to see
$5,000+ worth of damage in one year? If so then you would better
understand why the owners don't fix them up to reflect the lifestyle you
may be accoustomed to living...it is a process of devaluation for tax
purposes wherin eventually the property is repaired or sold. The owners
rent to who they can...this goes for anywhere from Chicago to Hinsdale.
Mr. Daley can raise the property taxes in Chicago if he wants. That will
stimulate the turnover of property values from low to high causing the
investments that you are talking about but not the other way around. It
is not an easy task to do, it is an expensive undertaking to evaluate
property piece by piece.
The major problem with raising taxes everywhere in the City or Cook
County is that the City of Chicago has a clause in all contracts with
members of the Fire Dept, Police Dept, etc., in that they have to live
in the city...and if anyone raises the taxes too much on these people
then they will depart fropm their positions. This would have to be
approached one peice of property at a time, block by block, zone by
zone, etc.
> Businesses adopting schools in their neighborhood would do so to, theoretically, provide the
> additional investment for training students who would or could go to work at these businesses.
> However, if your own legislators don't give a shit about you and the kids graduating high school
> can't see their way clear to be able to fill out a job application properly, the problems are far
> deeper than a business adopting a school could even hope to begin to fix.
>
> Quite frankly, adopting a stretch of highway sees far more long-term results than adopting a school.
>
> (rest of post snipped)
>
> Scott
I disagree. Corporate America has the capital to invest, the technology
to invest, etc. If given the tax breaks they will make the investments.
Dan Barnes
> > Are you thinking that athletic scholariships are the same as, say, PELL
> > grants? Grants and scholarships ain't the same thing, altho they serve the
> > same end purpose, which is to help put someone thru school.
>
> NO. I know the difference. Academia is not the place to hone your
> professional basketball talents at the expense of all other taxpayers
> money. I have a degree myself and the loans that went with it.
All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. Ever hear of a well rounded
personality?
Without it you end up with arrogant, chip on their sholder, puds like
you who call themselves HeyShitForBrains.
The taking away of all the farm aid was a real good idea. I agree
things have to be done, and it is not a fair comparison but for other
reasons. If the government would get their fingers out of price
controls the average farmer might have a chance. Doing what you suggest
is exactly what corporate America wants. Within six months 99% of all
farms would be in their possession.
Extreemist attitudes like yours are good for us to see though. They
remind us of the importance of our votes in selecting representatives
who can stand on their own feet and still think and make concessions at
the same time. Your attitudes are filled with feelings of superiority
and hate, and hold no objectivity at all. I'd like to have more of my
money too, but would rather not create total chaos in the process.
Dan
Jerome Jahnke
> > Well I went to school with both Gubbiment Grants and cheap loans.
> > Millions of dollars go un awarded in both gubbiment grants and
> > scholarships each year. It isn't like minorities are stealing from
> > anyone there. I probably could have gotten through school without paying
> > for anything.
>
> should be abandoned immediately. Taxpayers should not be expected to put
> basketball and football players through school. If professional teams
> want to sponsor a fund to put students through the training that is
> fine.
You do realize that for in Div I and II schools for the most part the
athletics departments are not supported by the tax payers at all.
Instead advertising revenues are what makes these programs work.
I thought so...
> > I wonder why you give a shit. You clearly are well off enough that you
> > can afford access to the internet (which requires a computer, a phone
> > line, a somewhat reliable powersource, and money for the above.) What do
> > you care that your tax money goes to help people who are less fortunate?
>
> I graduated from college in 1998 at the age of 38. I am not yet working.
> I decided to study Unix and Java so that I would be able to work fairly
> well upon entering the workforce. Yes it is hard on my family but we
> make do at the time.
Another BV, when are you gonna start whining that no one will give an
experienced Geek a job. Right now Tech companies are bringing in people
at entry level in droves, it don't pay much, but it pays more than the
nothing you are making right now (unless you are living on public
assistance) and you get paid to learn. Quit whining and go get a job.
> I am not well off period. I will be in need of a heart valve replacement
> in less than ten years probably. Yet I do not want govt. fucking
> subsidized health care because it will suck to high heaven. Leave the
> govt. out of our pockets, schools, and lets get back to the basics of a
> constitution and Bill of Rights. When I can afford health care I will go
> for another doppler....
Hey I hear BV is studing at the UIC Med library, he is looking at self
medication, I am sure for garbage pail filled with Susan B. Anthonies or
Burbon he would be willing to do this surgery for you.
If you are not well off I suggest you get a job.
> > Personally I never understood this mentality. I look at the pay check
> > and I see the money I get to put into my bank account. NOT the amount
> > the gubbiment takes from me.
> >
> > Jer,
>
> Well then you need to fucking wake up.
No... I am not a selfish little prick who thinks that the world would be
a better place if *I* could just have a bit more money.
Jer,
HeyShitForBrains
>
> HeyShitForBrains wrote:
>
> > > Are you thinking that athletic scholariships are the same as, say, PELL
> > > grants? Grants and scholarships ain't the same thing, altho they serve the
> > > same end purpose, which is to help put someone thru school.
> >
> > NO. I know the difference. Academia is not the place to hone your
> > professional basketball talents at the expense of all other taxpayers
> > money. I have a degree myself and the loans that went with it.
>
> personality?
> Without it you end up with arrogant, chip on their sholder, puds like
> you who call themselves HeyShitForBrains.
Well, lets see now? What have I done that didn't cost people outside the
university any money. Well lets say that the impact was not too great on
the taxpayers and in fact I doub't that they ever knew I was at the
university.
At the recreation center I took up rapelling and climbing and then went
on a trip to several places to test out my knowledge. I paid for all of
my own trips as did everyone else going. I took sixth in the state of
Iowa for my age group, in the Iowa Games in a twelve mile time trial
with six weeks of training(I paid a twenty dollar entry fee and had a
bike) and I also participated in two road races over two years. I think
I went through some tires and inner tubes at my expense...didn't cost
anyone anything as I drove upon the roads to train. I took up archery
and shot in an advanced class for a semester...then took up shooting
with a release (yes I bought a compound bow with graphite shafted arrows
but it did not cost anyone else a dime) at just below the semi-pro level
against the regulars at the archery club. Of course I also weight lifted
at the university's recreation center(paid for by student
fees...beautiful building hardly being used)...at one time getting up to
100lb dumbell presses at 16 reps for four sets(not bad for an old man).
Then of course I use to race catamaran on Lake Michigan 16' A Fleet. I
have a couple of trophys for that too. I never owned a boat just studied
boat racing and crewed. I took classes at th park district and went from
there...sometimes paying a hundred to rent a boat for the day to race it
against Fleet 115 out of Wilmette. My goal is to own a boat and live
aboard someday in a tax haven of course. Of course there was always
tennis(did four years), hapkido(did three years), taikwondo(didn't) and
judo(didn't).
There were of course many many many hundreds (perhaps thousands) of
other things that I could have done but didn't due to my class schedule
and working as I did. The point being that if you wanted to, at any
decent sized college you could be very busy with student activities and
it would be within your reach to particpate in hundreds of athletic
events...at a cost of less than $400 a year. Your student activity fees
cover most of the events.
YOU ALMOST DON'T NEED TO TAKE A DIME FROM THE TAXPAYERS TO DO ANY OF THE
SPORTS TOO. Things like basketball, football, baseball, hockey,
gymnastics, etc...require trips, trainers, coaches, equipment, etc., all
costing any university millions and millions of dollars. Once I
interviewed the coach of football at Notre Dame on this very subject for
a paper that I had to do. He told me just what all of the other
documantation told me that I had found and that is that without a great
deal of money from outside the university there would be NO sports at
all.
> The taking away of all the farm aid was a real good idea. I agree
> things have to be done, and it is not a fair comparison but for other
> reasons. If the government would get their fingers out of price
> controls the average farmer might have a chance. Doing what you suggest
> is exactly what corporate America wants. Within six months 99% of all
> farms would be in their possession.
The price controls world wide have to come down. Also if you can get
foreign governments to remove the phoney trade barriers and quit selling
prime land to the Japanese (for example) so they can grow wheat, and
rice here in the USA...then that too would be a great idea. Go to
Wyoming now and you might run into a Japanese crew working the range.
Why? Because the Japanese govt. wouldn't let us become the supplier of
their main crop for years complaining that they didn't want to be
dependant upon us in case of war...then they turned around and bought
hundreds of thousands of acres in Wyoming and other states to grow the
very same wheat we were selling them.
You see...the problem is not taxation it is the bastards in Washington
that take our money, redistribute it to many assholes that refuse to
pull their weight and to pay for things we do not need, keep us all
healthy enough to keep raising the retirement age from 60, to 65, to 70,
to 72,...and sooooo assholes that like to pay taxes can continue to do
so into the grave or at least until they cannot move or think well
enough to keep up with a sharp recently trained college graduate at the
age of 24. As for me I would rather have all of my capital in my hands
to invest as I see fit for my own retirement because the government
cannot be trusted with our capital. They would rather spend $100 million
investigating a panderer who was no good to begin with and was to
ignorant to step down...etc. I personally do not feel that the federal
govt. should be where we keep 30%+ of our capital.
Most people do not get raises that amount to 50% of their taxation just
imagine getting that back to do what you wanted with. Just imagine what
you would do with the cash. You could open up a Roth IRA to send your
children to college, pay off all of your debts and be debt free, take
vacation trips every year with the family, have a much better lifestyle,
eat better, have better health care than you do, be able to even donate
the cash where you see fit, and finally retire in comfort compared to
what most of the elderly do now.
> Extreemist attitudes like yours are good for us to see though. They
> remind us of the importance of our votes in selecting representatives
> who can stand on their own feet and still think and make concessions at
> the same time. Your attitudes are filled with feelings of superiority
> and hate, and hold no objectivity at all. I'd like to have more of my
> money too, but would rather not create total chaos in the process.
>
> Dan
I said that you have to see what damage is done when you pull the plug
on programs...then reboot them with "tweaks" if there are any problems.
I don't think I am too extreemist at all. I think that when you wake up
in 2020...if you make it that long and realise that...the program known
as social security which had more than 20 payers for each taker,
suddenly has three to four payers for each taker you will be the
extreemist and want to go cold turkey cutting everything. The youth
behind us will be paying 75 to 90% of their income in taxes if we don't
return the capital to people to invest in their futures NOW. I say cut
the damm programs and taxes NOW and allow people to invest their own
earnings so that they will have the means to exist as they currently do
and for the govt. to invest whatever they do not return cautiously.
DON'T PUT OUR CAPITAL INTO FOOTBALL, AND BASKETBALL TRAINING FOR PEOPLE
WHO USE OUR UNIVERSITIES WHEN THEY SHOULD BE GOING THERE TO LEARN HOW TO
EMPLOY THEMSELVES...MAKE THE PROFESSIONAL TEAMS PAY FOR THE SPORTS IF
THEY FUCKING WANT THEM. LET THE ASSHOLES MAKING $100 MILLION+ A YEAR AND
WHO OWN TEAMS PAY FOR IT.
Because lets face it...when it is all said and done, I really doubt that
football is going to keep you in diapers for very long when you need
them...but a well educated group of people coming up under you who are
able to produce, engineer, doctor, etc., would be a great idea. Maybe a
new concept for some SOCIALISTS? Think about it, instead of importing
our professionals we could employ everyone here now. Now wouldn't that
be special. We should be taking kids out of the ghettoes and sending
them to college to learn not play basketball...so that they can return
to the ghettoes when the colleges get done with them.
HeyShitForBrains
> You do realize that for in Div I and II schools for the most part the
> athletics departments are not supported by the tax payers at all.
> Instead advertising revenues are what makes these programs work.
>
> I thought so...
I don't pay attention to what div I II or II is so you will have to
firgive me. I am a sportsman...I don't wath them on TV like most turkeys
out there with hardening of the arteries. The university that I attended
due to Title 9 had spent $2 million on a new addition to one of their
current facilities for...VOLLEYBALL COACHES. GOOD WAY TO SPEND THAT
CAPITAL.
> > > I wonder why you give a shit. You clearly are well off enough that you
> > > can afford access to the internet (which requires a computer, a phone
> > > line, a somewhat reliable powersource, and money for the above.) What do
> > > you care that your tax money goes to help people who are less fortunate?
> >
> > I graduated from college in 1998 at the age of 38. I am not yet working.
> > I decided to study Unix and Java so that I would be able to work fairly
> > well upon entering the workforce. Yes it is hard on my family but we
> > make do at the time.
>
> Another BV, when are you gonna start whining that no one will give an
> experienced Geek a job. Right now Tech companies are bringing in people
> at entry level in droves, it don't pay much, but it pays more than the
> nothing you are making right now (unless you are living on public
> assistance) and you get paid to learn. Quit whining and go get a job.
Another BV? Sorry I don't follow you. I was working, took some time off
to restudy Unix, and will be entering the market in under a month. I
quit as an electrician to go to college...I was working prior to going
and paid for everything that I did at school by working. I also don't
remember asking for a job here so what my employment status is is not a
problem that you should give consideration too. I have never taken
welfare for a day in my life and I work for the things that I own and
purchase. Sorry to disappoint you.
Jerome Jahnke
> YOU ALMOST DON'T NEED TO TAKE A DIME FROM THE TAXPAYERS TO DO ANY OF THE
> SPORTS TOO. Things like basketball, football, baseball, hockey,
> gymnastics, etc...require trips, trainers, coaches, equipment, etc., all
> costing any university millions and millions of dollars. Once I
> interviewed the coach of football at Notre Dame on this very subject for
> a paper that I had to do. He told me just what all of the other
> documantation told me that I had found and that is that without a great
> deal of money from outside the university there would be NO sports at
> all.
You are not real bright are you... The facts are staring you in the face
and you refuse to see them. Sports at Div I schools are NOT paid for out
of the general college fund (they are at Div III and a portion of them
are paid at Div II schools, but the costs are signicantly less than Div
I schools.) Instead companies like Nike, and Reebok pump in millions of
dollars into these programs, as to atheletic boosters (some illegally in
the case of Notre Dame.) This money would 1) not be in the school were
it not for the athletic program and 2) is used to fund intramural and
other things that benefit the general student body.
So NOT A DIME OF TAX PAYER MONEY GOES INTO THIS, while this is not
technically true beucause of Div II and III schools, it is rare that a
Div II III player makes it into the pros. So it is true enough for you
to stop obsessing over it.
Jer,
AJ Scott
<YouMust...@YourLoc.com> said this:
>NO. I know the difference. Academia is not the place to hone your
>professional basketball talents at the expense of all other taxpayers
>money. I have a degree myself and the loans that went with it.
Uh, then perhaps you could tell me what all those basketball players,
golfers, lacrosse players, boat rowers, etc., are doing in professors'
classrooms, spending all their kegger money on books, and graduating
with non-athletic degrees? Apparently, you're under some silly
impression that: 1) All people who get athletic scholarships do in
college is play their sport and that's it, 2) There are no state laws
or scholastic policies requiring those students to maintain a certain
grade (point?) average or else they cannot play until they meet that
average, and 3) That a classroom and the sports field are two
different places altogether.
If I'm not mistaken, only a small percentage of them get full
free-ride scholarship, so they end up having to take out loans and
apply for grants just like poor schmucks like yourself. And if you
think about it a little more, kids on athletic scholarship have to
work harder than everyone else because they have to both make their
grades AND perform well on the field. Sounds like a whole lot of
bassle to go given that a small minority of college kids go on to make
a living playing professional sports. And those who do (especially
baseball players) spend most of their existence in the minors earning
far less than your average department manager at Wal-Mart.
And while you're at it, perhaps you could enlighten us by naming one
full athletic scholarship that's taxpayer-funded.
>
>Nothing is wrong with it. Do it on your own dime that's all. I do not
>find it in the least bit important that you slam dunk or play football
>at all.
And I don't find it the least important that you formulate chemicals
to help me dust my house better or build a better nuclear warhead, but
it doesn't mean I don't think high school kids who are a whiz at that
kind of stuff don't deserve scholarships.
And anyway, they're doing it on their own dime, mom and dad's dime,
the bank's dime or the school's dime -- not yours.
>
>You are also talking to a guy who played ice hockey for at least ten
>years. I took courses at some schools when I first got out fo high
>school and never showed up and got a "B." That was in my stupid youth. I
>as an adult abhor the use of youth to build team spirit and school image
>which in the end does nothing for 99.99% of all collegiate athletes. At
>the Big 12/13 university that I attended where I achieved my degree
>students missed tests, homework, etc...and never made it up. I know
>because I had the idiots in my classes several times.
The days of kids on athletic scholarships taking nothing but Macrame
101 and getting gratis grades for being ghosts in the classroom are
long, long gone. As for the rest, missing tests and homework isn't the
sole province of athletes, and yes, all that team spirit and school
image *does* do things for all those athletes: It gets them into
school to get a degree in something as well as attracting money to the
school from the citizenry and hefty donations from rich folks.
And hey, what does getting a B for never showing up say about the
quality of *your* school?
>It is more likely that a person entering the educational system in the
>US will end up a doctor than a professional athlete...so lets quit
>kidding ourselves. Lets put and end to the waste of our tax dollars
>already. If the professional teams want to open up a fund and sponsor
>the bullshit then let them do it. The US is in debt to the tune of at
>least a trillion dollars. We don't need the friggin debt anymore. Pay
>down the debt first.
I'd respond to that, but I can't type very well when I'm laughing this
hard.
>
>I don't care about Cook either for the most part. I am from DuPage but
>live on the South Side and have family all over Chicago. Beautiful city
>but it has many problems that are due to too low a tax base...and A HUGE
>AMOUNT OF TAXES THAT REMAIN UNCOLLECTED EVERY YEAR IN MINORITY
>NEIGHBORHOODS.
And there's a huge amount of uncollected parking tickets tacked onto
the windshields of white guys with jobs, and a huge amount of
corporations paying a disproportionately low amount of taxes. The
city's ills aren't caused mainly by minority landowners not paying
their property taxes. There's plenty of blame on everyone to go
around.
>
>Maybe if you knew what you were talking about that would be better too.
>Ever rent a nice apartment to an inner city asshole and return to see
>$5,000+ worth of damage in one year?
Your own fault for not checking past references and renting to such an
asshole in the first place.
>If so then you would better
>understand why the owners don't fix them up to reflect the lifestyle you
>may be accoustomed to living...it is a process of devaluation for tax
>purposes wherin eventually the property is repaired or sold. The owners
>rent to who they can...this goes for anywhere from Chicago to Hinsdale.
Smart apartment building owners don't rent to just anyone, and they
don't go hog wild on quality of furnishings because it doesn't make a
lot of sense from a value standpoint any more than installing a
swimming pool in your backyard makes sense from a home-value
standpoint. An apartment decked out in knotty pine and Pergo flooring
doesn't command a higher selling price or taxable assessment than one
with painted walls and Linoleum flooring.
>Mr. Daley can raise the property taxes in Chicago if he wants. That will
>stimulate the turnover of property values from low to high causing the
>investments that you are talking about but not the other way around. It
>is not an easy task to do, it is an expensive undertaking to evaluate
>property piece by piece.
You're not serious, right -- by increasing the property tax rate, you
equally increase property values? Dang, to think the city fathers in
godforsaken places like Ford Heights and Phoenix have been so inept
that they've been missing such a simple solution all these years. Gee,
maybe if they hike the tax rate to 90% and nobody touches a thing,
people by the shitload will mistake the place for Barrington or Wayne
and clog the interstate system for weeks in the clamor to live and
work there.
>
(snip)
>
>I disagree. Corporate America has the capital to invest, the technology
>to invest, etc. If given the tax breaks they will make the investments.
Corporate America doesn't move to slums riddled with crime problems,
nor does it waste its time doling out money to similar distant
communities, either -- even if it's deductible. Besides, the state and
federal governments have been shoveling money at those kinds of
communities and our country's public school system for several
generations, and lot good it's done everyone on the whole so far.
And why do I get the feeling that if your company decided to freeze
your wages forever because the money to pay for raises will instead be
used to adopt a school, you'd be far less charitable to the concept?
Hey, what's stopping you from going down to *your* nearest local
elementary school and writing out a big, fat personal check for no
reason other than you're a good citizen with a Santa complex? They
might even name the library after you. Yup, everyone's a fucking
Socialist until they have to actually ante up for it.
Scott
AJ Scott
<YouMust...@YourLoc.com> said this:
(snip)
>
>I said that you have to see what damage is done when you pull the plug
>on programs...then reboot them with "tweaks" if there are any problems.
You'd be a truly amazing doctor. "Well, the poor sap's sick. Let's let
him die and if he comes back to life, we'll reboot and tweak him."
(snip)
>
>DON'T PUT OUR CAPITAL INTO FOOTBALL, AND BASKETBALL TRAINING FOR PEOPLE
>WHO USE OUR UNIVERSITIES WHEN THEY SHOULD BE GOING THERE TO LEARN HOW TO
>EMPLOY THEMSELVES...MAKE THE PROFESSIONAL TEAMS PAY FOR THE SPORTS IF
>THEY FUCKING WANT THEM. LET THE ASSHOLES MAKING $100 MILLION+ A YEAR AND
>WHO OWN TEAMS PAY FOR IT.
Jane, you ignorant slut -- and apparently one jealous that he's not
pulling down $100+ mil a year solely on the strength of the brains God
and the university gave him. People on athletic scholarships ARE at
universities to learn how to, as you say, employ themselves. A
football season is only several weeks long. Whatever do you imagine
all those guys in football scholarships are doing the *rest* of the
school year?
Not only that, but a great majority of ball players are earning scale
wage, not millions. I'm sure someone out there knows what the average
pay is for the typical pro baseball, basketball and football player,
but I seem to recall reading somewhere that it's substantially less
than $100,000. When you consider the careers of most football players
last fewer than five years on average, even $100,000 a year ain't
much.
>
>Because lets face it...when it is all said and done, I really doubt that
>football is going to keep you in diapers for very long when you need
>them...but a well educated group of people coming up under you who are
>able to produce, engineer, doctor, etc., would be a great idea. Maybe a
>new concept for some SOCIALISTS? Think about it, instead of importing
>our professionals we could employ everyone here now. Now wouldn't that
>be special. We should be taking kids out of the ghettoes and sending
>them to college to learn not play basketball...so that they can return
>to the ghettoes when the colleges get done with them.
Well, gee, let's see: Ghetto kids go hundreds of thousands of dollars
into school loan debt learning how to become a doctor and get paid
peanuts for a few years as a hospital resident -- and once they become
a fully accredited physician, they spend the rest of their lives eking
out a living opening neighborhood clinics in their home ghettos.
(Provided of course that they have a distate for participating in
government reimbursement scams.)
Nice fairy tale there. Given the choice between being a private
practice plastic surgeon in the ritzy part of town and plugging up
bullet-riddled homies in the ER, the ratio of ghetto kids returning to
the ghetto as doctors is kinda low, wouldn't you think?
But then, you're probably assuming that every ghetto kid has the level
of education needed get into college and have the grades to graduate
in four years in the first place, too.
And hey, I almost missed this until it quietly dawned on me with your
last sentence or two: Are you hacked off at **all** kids on athletic
scholarships or just the **black** kids on athletic scholarships? I've
noticed that people who piss and moan at government program
expenditure sooner or later get around to pissing and moaning about
all those black folk receiving it. You seem to be one of 'em, or else
you would've mentioned those football-playing kids from Glencoe going
to Notre Dame at the same time you were mentioning those
football-playing black kids from the ghetto.
Scott
Jerome Jahnke
>
> Jerome Jahnke wrote:
> > You do realize that for in Div I and II schools for the most part the
> > athletics departments are not supported by the tax payers at all.
> > Instead advertising revenues are what makes these programs work.
> >
> > I thought so...
>
> I don't pay attention to what div I II or II is so you will have to
> firgive me. I am a sportsman...I don't wath them on TV like most turkeys
> out there with hardening of the arteries. The university that I attended
> due to Title 9 had spent $2 million on a new addition to one of their
> current facilities for...VOLLEYBALL COACHES. GOOD WAY TO SPEND THAT
> CAPITAL.
So you freely admit you don't know what the fuck you are talking
about... Sheesh get a fuckin' clue you loser. BTW Title 9 means they
have to balance the money they spend on mens and womens sports, given
the mens sports bring in the lions share of the money, they are forced
to pump some of that funding into womens sports. And again, since none
of it is tax dollars anyway what the fuck are you whining about? If Nike
wants to give 10 million to a Div I school why should you care if the
Volleyball team gets a new gym?
>
> > > > I wonder why you give a shit. You clearly are well off enough that you
> > > > can afford access to the internet (which requires a computer, a phone
> > > > line, a somewhat reliable powersource, and money for the above.) What do
> > > > you care that your tax money goes to help people who are less fortunate?
> > >
> > > I graduated from college in 1998 at the age of 38. I am not yet working.
> > > I decided to study Unix and Java so that I would be able to work fairly
> > > well upon entering the workforce. Yes it is hard on my family but we
> > > make do at the time.
> >
> > Another BV, when are you gonna start whining that no one will give an
> > experienced Geek a job. Right now Tech companies are bringing in people
> > at entry level in droves, it don't pay much, but it pays more than the
> > nothing you are making right now (unless you are living on public
> > assistance) and you get paid to learn. Quit whining and go get a job.
>
> Another BV? Sorry I don't follow you. I was working, took some time off
> to restudy Unix, and will be entering the market in under a month. I
> quit as an electrician to go to college...I was working prior to going
> and paid for everything that I did at school by working. I also don't
> remember asking for a job here so what my employment status is is not a
> problem that you should give consideration too. I have never taken
> welfare for a day in my life and I work for the things that I own and
> purchase. Sorry to disappoint you.
It is re study now. Why not enter the market now, what are you waiting
for? You are whining you are not well off and, and from the sound of it
like you are carrying a high debt load. The answer to both problems is
to get a fuckin job and stop wasting time on UseNet.
Jer,
David
> At the recreation center I took up rapelling and climbing and then went
> on a trip to several places to test out my knowledge. I paid for all of
> my own trips as did everyone else going.
Fantastic!
> I took sixth in the state of Iowa for my age group, in the Iowa Games in
> a twelve mile time trial with six weeks of training(I paid a twenty dollar
> entry fee and had a bike) and I also participated in two road races over
> two years.
Fantastic!
> I think I went through some tires and inner tubes at my expense...didn't
> cost anyone anything as I drove upon the roads to train.
Fantastic!
> I took up archery and shot in an advanced class for a semester...then took
> up shooting with a release (yes I bought a compound bow with graphite
> shafted arrows but it did not cost anyone else a dime) at just below the
> semi-pro level against the regulars at the archery club.
Fantastic!
> Of course I also weight lifted at the university's recreation center
> (paid for by student fees...beautiful building hardly being used)...at one
> time getting up to 100lb dumbell presses at 16 reps for four sets (not
> bad for an old man).
Greg?
> Then of course I use to race catamaran on Lake Michigan 16' A Fleet. I
> have a couple of trophys for that too.
Fantastic!
> I never owned a boat just studied boat racing and crewed. I took classes
> at th park district and went from there...sometimes paying a hundred to
> rent a boat for the day to race it against Fleet 115 out of Wilmette.
Fantastic!
> My goal is to own a boat and live aboard someday in a tax haven of course.
> Of course there was always tennis(did four years), hapkido(did three years),
Fantastic!
David
--
Me? I took a Dale Carnegie course where they taught me to say
"fantastic" instead of "irrelevant bullshit."
HeyShitForBrains
YOU MAKE FOR THE NEXT FOUR MONTHS IS GOING TO PAY FOR PROGRAMS YOU
PROBABLY WILL NEVER USE. IF 40%+ GOES TO TAXES THEN IT WILL TAKE YOU
FOUR MONTHS (UNTIL MAY OR JUNE) TO EARN THE FIRST DOLLAR FOR LITTLE OLD
YOU. THAT INCLUDES THE SOON TO BE INSOLVENT SOCIAL SECURITY FUND!
2) 20+:1 ratio on starting the SS Fund...and by year 2020 the ratio will
be around 3:1 to 4:1. I hope you don't mind never seeing that money
because you SOCIALISTS love to pay taxes and you will not be getting any
of it back. I also do hope that you have lots of kids because I am going
to love seeing them enslaved to me for my SS needs!
AJ Scott wrote:
> Jane, you ignorant slut -- and apparently one jealous that he's not
> pulling down $100+ mil a year solely on the strength of the brains God
> and the university gave him. People on athletic scholarships ARE at
> universities to learn how to, as you say, employ themselves. A
> football season is only several weeks long. Whatever do you imagine
> all those guys in football scholarships are doing the *rest* of the
> school year?
Thanks AJ...you know so much more than myself about what goes on in the
athletics dept. of a college.
;-)
As I said I pulled "B's" in several classes just by going onto the ice a
few times for a college here in IL that wanted me on their team one
year. I never ayttended the classes once! Even in HS when I quit the HS
hockey team (so that I would have time to do homework and play/practice
for the traveling team that I played for) I had two instructors tell me
to my face that "Now you will have to do your homework because you quit
the hockey team." They knew the week after I quit! So what are you able
to tell me that I do not know there AJ?
Many of the "non scholastic" types who are on scholarships for purely
athletics are out getting stoned when they aren't in their season! At
least that is what I kept seeing at the university that I went too. Many
were bing arrested for drunk and disorderly...and they continue to do
the same after they are uh..."passed" through and have "finely
gradjeated." Hell we had one guy cut a girls head off and throw it in
the ditch, two others jumping over counters to rob retailers, etc.,
etc., etc. You cannot take kids out of the ghetto to give them an
opportunity and send them off to a University! They do not fit in and I
say to abolish the programs as they are a joke. I have also hung out
with minor league baseball players (again in my youth) and many of them
got stoned in the off season all day only to quit a month before to get
their "wind back." A baseball player with "wind" now that is a joke. I
don't care about their drug use but they were the worst scholastically,
passed on everything. Hell they were snatching the homework they never
did out of the rest of our hands to turn in the day it was due...the day
they would get off the bus. Why didn't it get done while they were on
the trip, well you have to study playbooks, and get drunk too of course.
Can't do everything.
Many cannot even write or read after obtaining a "four year degree" in
(basketball) weaving. As I said...when I was younger I played ice
hockey. Did you get that? I played with two people who are now in the
pros. I am not jealous either. I hope they do well. I just do not think
that the funding of athletics is something that should be taxpayer
funded.
OK...and as I see Mr. Jahkne is pointing out that these funds are not
from the state or federal govt. I have to look into that as everything
that I know of it, that is not the case. Otherwise how can title 9
effect non federal funds? I am glad to have this pointed out to me and I
willlook into it.
> Not only that, but a great majority of ball players are earning scale
> wage, not millions. I'm sure someone out there knows what the average
> pay is for the typical pro baseball, basketball and football player,
> but I seem to recall reading somewhere that it's substantially less
> than $100,000. When you consider the careers of most football players
> last fewer than five years on average, even $100,000 a year ain't
> much.
Scale? At $200k+. In any case you are missing the point. I don't care if
they make it to the pros...in fact if they do great for them. Seriously.
Follow your dreams.
As I recall (how in the frick does this thread keep going :-)...O'l
RONALD bowed out long ago....in any case to offer inner city kids the
opportunity to go to college on an athletic scholarship when they cannot
read or write is criminal. The colleges want great teams however and
will take anyone. But the rest of us went to learn and didn't appreciate
the interruptions or problems they brought to campus. The school image
can make the degree more or less valuable. For example...in the 1970's
to graduate from USC you would be laughed at. Never mind that many of
the programs were unbelieveable, the mere fact that basketball and
football players graduated and COULD NOT READ OR WRITE with four year
degrees made everyone feel like shit!
> Nice fairy tale there. Given the choice between being a private
> practice plastic surgeon in the ritzy part of town and plugging up
> bullet-riddled homies in the ER, the ratio of ghetto kids returning to
> the ghetto as doctors is kinda low, wouldn't you think?
I think the number of ghetto kids plugging anyone from the "health" side
is rare. I think that it is more likely that they are plugging them from
the passenger side....maybe even the driver's side!
> But then, you're probably assuming that every ghetto kid has the level
> of education needed get into college and have the grades to graduate
> in four years in the first place, too.
>
> And hey, I almost missed this until it quietly dawned on me with your
> last sentence or two: Are you hacked off at **all** kids on athletic
> scholarships or just the **black** kids on athletic scholarships? I've
> noticed that people who piss and moan at government program
> expenditure sooner or later get around to pissing and moaning about
> all those black folk receiving it. You seem to be one of 'em, or else
> you would've mentioned those football-playing kids from Glencoe going
> to Notre Dame at the same time you were mentioning those
> football-playing black kids from the ghetto.
>
> Scott
Since you brought it up...almost every player on our University's
football, basketball, track, baseball teams were black. I am not against
them coming to get an education at all. Hope they do while they are on
campus. I feel that they should get there any way they can
scolastically. It seems that the entrance requirements were too much for
them scholastically however and the teams were not representative of any
societal breakdown that I am aware of. How about you?
Then again neither are any of major league sports teams representative
of society. This almost makes me believe that professional athletics
must be loaded with racism because they only hire blacks to play. ?
Makes you wonder doesn't it? Why is it that the only door they get to
come in from is the field door? Why can't the professional teams and
universities prepare these people to do something after they play ball
for four years? I don't think they care.
I say to drop all non-scholastic scholarships if they require any
external funds from tax payers. If you go back and read I am no racist
(THAT AREA IS COVERED ENTIRELY BY RANDALL OR THE "FRAUD" GOLSTEIN)...if
you get anything from talking to me, I am fiscally conservative. I want
to put tax dollars into your pocket, mine as well. How you _prefer_ to
spend it all on other people I haven't quite figured out? You sound like
one heck of a communist or socialist. Are you sure you are not that
jackass Mike Malloy in disguise?
In any case just imagine having another $5k to $15k in your pocket each
year. That is what you would have if they cut govt. spending. Somehow I
think you like to debate and refuse to face the facts. I feel that if I
took you to the field(any one) and gave you a choice you would keep the
cash you earned over giving it away to people you do not know. If I put
the $10k you would have earned this year into your hand but due to taxes
that cash was going to others and I MADE YOU PHYSICALLY TURN IT OVER to
the person who was getting it (nobody you knew and for programs you do
not agree with supporting) I think you would trun around and run for the
hills with it! I BET YOU WOULD KEEP THE CASH! Hell you earned it so why
not.
However, don't let me stop you from spending your own cash. Send all of
it to the nearest university for some new football pads...they need it
and I would rather it all came out of your pocket since it is you who
sits at home and gets all bleary eyed about it. Who know's the next OJ
is right around the corner and I would hate to take his chances away!
HeyShitForBrains
>
> --
> Me? I took a Dale Carnegie course where they taught me to say
> "fantastic" instead of "irrelevant bullshit."
FANTASTIC!
HeyShitForBrains
say the opposite side and take everything out of context. YOU ARE A
FUCKING MORON HOWEVER!
AJ Scott wrote:
>
> On Thu, 20 Jan 2000 03:24:56 -0600, HeyShitForBrains
> <YouMust...@YourLoc.com> said this:
>
> >NO. I know the difference. Academia is not the place to hone your
> >professional basketball talents at the expense of all other taxpayers
> >money. I have a degree myself and the loans that went with it.
>
> Uh, then perhaps you could tell me what all those basketball players,
> golfers, lacrosse players, boat rowers, etc., are doing in professors'
> classrooms, spending all their kegger money on books, and graduating
> with non-athletic degrees? Apparently, you're under some silly
> impression that: 1) All people who get athletic scholarships do in
> college is play their sport and that's it, 2) There are no state laws
> or scholastic policies requiring those students to maintain a certain
> grade (point?) average or else they cannot play until they meet that
> average, and 3) That a classroom and the sports field are two
> different places altogether.
Do you by chance ever read anything that I write you dam fucking idiot?
If so I have already supported my facts that these people are not doing
the text book work you say they are.
> And hey, what does getting a B for never showing up say about the
> quality of *your* school?
That was in a school here in IL...not where I went for my four year
degree.
> >It is more likely that a person entering the educational system in the
> >US will end up a doctor than a professional athlete...so lets quit
> >kidding ourselves. Lets put and end to the waste of our tax dollars
> >already. If the professional teams want to open up a fund and sponsor
> >the bullshit then let them do it. The US is in debt to the tune of at
> >least a trillion dollars. We don't need the friggin debt anymore. Pay
> >down the debt first.
>
> I'd respond to that, but I can't type very well when I'm laughing this
> hard.
That is another fact. It has been statistically proven several times.
The chance of becoming a professional athelete is far far far less
likely than becoming a doctor. Don't believe me? Just take the most
simple review of your phone book. Count the number of doctors listed for
all areas...then count the number of persons on the teams in Chicago? It
isn't even close you stupid fuck.
> >Mr. Daley can raise the property taxes in Chicago if he wants. That will
> >stimulate the turnover of property values from low to high causing the
> >investments that you are talking about but not the other way around. It
> >is not an easy task to do, it is an expensive undertaking to evaluate
> >property piece by piece.
>
> You're not serious, right -- by increasing the property tax rate, you
> equally increase property values? Dang, to think the city fathers in
> godforsaken places like Ford Heights and Phoenix have been so inept
> that they've been missing such a simple solution all these years. Gee,
> maybe if they hike the tax rate to 90% and nobody touches a thing,
> people by the shitload will mistake the place for Barrington or Wayne
> and clog the interstate system for weeks in the clamor to live and
> work there.
Well you can do it one of two ways. Lower the taxes and promise to
freeze them for a given amount for time to those investing X amount of
dolars or you can raise them and squeeze out the riffraff. Why what do
you propose? More football stadiums?
Sounds like you know a lot about Ford Ht's?
> >I disagree. Corporate America has the capital to invest, the technology
> >to invest, etc. If given the tax breaks they will make the investments.
>
> Corporate America doesn't move to slums riddled with crime problems,
YOU MAKE IT TOO EASY YOU ARE SO FUCKING STUPID. QUICK DUMB FUCK...LOOK
OUT THE WINDOW TO THE AREA KNOWN AS GREEK TOWN AROUND UIC. OK. WHAT DO
YOU SEE? THE SLUMS ARE DISAPPEARING. SOON THAT WILL HAPPEN TO OTHER
GHETTOES IN CHICAGO TOO. Maybe Mr. Daley has managed to pull corporate
America into an area that they are reclaiming it from the gang bangers.
HeyShitForBrains
> It is re study now. Why not enter the market now, what are you waiting
> for? You are whining you are not well off and, and from the sound of it
> like you are carrying a high debt load. The answer to both problems is
> to get a fuckin job and stop wasting time on UseNet.
>
> Jer,
Nope. None of the material that I have covered in the last two months
while I was at home is restudied material. Can you drop me the name of
your company so that I don't stop by there for an interview...I don't
want to spend all day talking about sports while I am at work and it
seems to be the only thing you know!:-) You are awful antsy to get me
working Jer...have any tips on where to go for an interview? Hehehe.
I know that title 9 was about the distribution of funds equally for men
and women. If they are not federal dollars then how can the govt. force
a distribution on them?
Jerome Jahnke
>
> HeyShitForBrains wrote:
> >
> > You up at Enteract Jer?
> >
> > :-)
>
> Should I give Jill a call?
Uhhhhhhh sure... Tell'em your an ignorant fuck.
Jer,
AJ Scott
<YouMust...@YourLoc.com> said this:
>1) I HOPE THAT YOU ENJOY WORKING FOR THE NEXT FOUR MONTHS...EVERYTHING
>YOU MAKE FOR THE NEXT FOUR MONTHS IS GOING TO PAY FOR PROGRAMS YOU
>PROBABLY WILL NEVER USE. IF 40%+ GOES TO TAXES THEN IT WILL TAKE YOU
>FOUR MONTHS (UNTIL MAY OR JUNE) TO EARN THE FIRST DOLLAR FOR LITTLE OLD
>YOU. THAT INCLUDES THE SOON TO BE INSOLVENT SOCIAL SECURITY FUND!
Personally, I really don't give a fuck. Really. I don't. I'm not
basing my future income needs and solutions on SS. If it's gone in 25
years, so what? Not like any control over it to begin with. So, no, I
really don't give a fuck whether SS is around tomorrow or 50 years
from now. Glad you don't have more pressing dail;y needs to worry
about, since *you* don't have any more or less control over SS than I
do But still and all, if it's gone in 5, 10 or 20 years, I think
you'll be missing the money less, thereby making it harder for you to
sleep at night while making it easier for someone like you (as opposed
to someone like me) to join some white supremacy group intent on
blowing up government buildings.
>
>2) 20+:1 ratio on starting the SS Fund...and by year 2020 the ratio will
>be around 3:1 to 4:1. I hope you don't mind never seeing that money
>because you SOCIALISTS love to pay taxes and you will not be getting any
>of it back. I also do hope that you have lots of kids because I am going
>to love seeing them enslaved to me for my SS needs!
I have three kids. And like I'll really give a fuck about the state of
world when they're my age because, well, I'll be dead and forgotten by
then and, well, at that point, I really won't be in any position to
wring my hands or give a fuck anyway, now will I?
>
>
>Thanks AJ...you know so much more than myself about what goes on in the
>athletics dept. of a college.
Apparently I do, and I'm apparently not the only one telling you that
you have absolutely no concept of what you've been whining about all
this time.
>As I said I pulled "B's" in several classes just by going onto the ice a
>few times for a college here in IL that wanted me on their team one
>year. I never ayttended the classes once! Even in HS when I quit the HS
>hockey team (so that I would have time to do homework and play/practice
>for the traveling team that I played for) I had two instructors tell me
>to my face that "Now you will have to do your homework because you quit
>the hockey team." They knew the week after I quit! So what are you able
>to tell me that I do not know there AJ?
And what -- an employer is supposed to feel confident hiring someone
like you, given that golden nugget of information. Tell you what: If
you and some black guy were sitting in front of me and I knew then
what I know now about you, well, guess what white guy would still be
looking for a job?
>Many of the "non scholastic" types who are on scholarships for purely
>athletics are out getting stoned when they aren't in their season!
>At least that is what I kept seeing at the university that I went too. Many
>were bing arrested for drunk and disorderly...and they continue to do
>the same after they are uh..."passed" through and have "finely
>gradjeated." Hell we had one guy cut a girls head off and throw it in
>the ditch, two others jumping over counters to rob retailers, etc.,
>etc., etc. You cannot take kids out of the ghetto to give them an
>opportunity and send them off to a University! They do not fit in and I
>say to abolish the programs as they are a joke. I have also hung out
>with minor league baseball players (again in my youth) and many of them
>got stoned in the off season all day only to quit a month before to get
>their "wind back." A baseball player with "wind" now that is a joke. I
>don't care about their drug use but they were the worst scholastically,
>passed on everything. Hell they were snatching the homework they never
>did out of the rest of our hands to turn in the day it was due...the day
>they would get off the bus. Why didn't it get done while they were on
>the trip, well you have to study playbooks, and get drunk too of course.
>Can't do everything.
Jesus Christ -- you ARE fucking stupider than I originally imagined
you to be.
>
>Many cannot even write or read after obtaining a "four year degree" in
>(basketball) weaving. As I said...when I was younger I played ice
>hockey. Did you get that? I played with two people who are now in the
>pros. I am not jealous either. I hope they do well. I just do not think
>that the funding of athletics is something that should be taxpayer
>funded.
And you got Bs for not showing up in class and you STILL haven't given
me the name of one full-ride athletic scholarship funded 100% by
taxpaer dollars. Should we demand that banks take back your school
loan money because you;re just as grades-fucked as the jocks you
apparently have a huge lifetime hard-on over? Funny, I haven't seen
you offer to give the money back for getting B grades for classes you
didn't attend and apparently a degree in whatever that you clearly
don't deserve.
>
>OK...and as I see Mr. Jahkne is pointing out that these funds are not
>from the state or federal govt. I have to look into that as everything
>that I know of it, that is not the case. Otherwise how can title 9
>effect non federal funds? I am glad to have this pointed out to me and I
>willlook into it.
While you;re at it, look into your contention that athletic
scholarships are paid for by taxpayer dollars.
>
>Scale? At $200k+. In any case you are missing the point. I don't care if
>they make it to the pros...in fact if they do great for them. Seriously.
>Follow your dreams.
Well, let's do the math taking from graduation age of 22 -- and
assuming that your average football player's career last only five
years, that an American male's life expectancy will be 72 years, and
that the median income for a white guy making a living in a
non-athletic occupation is $35,000 a year. And while we're at it,
let's assume that, based on your spewings, that all a person on a
full-ride athletic scholarship is capable of doing is playing
professional sports.
Pro football player:
5 years x $100,000 = $500,000. Divide that by 50 years (72 years life
expectancy divided by grad age of 22) = $10,000 per year gross.
Non-athletic white guy
50 years x $32,000 = net $1,600,000
Sorry, I don't think I missed the point.
>
>As I recall (how in the frick does this thread keep going :-)...O'l
>RONALD bowed out long ago....in any case to offer inner city kids the
>opportunity to go to college on an athletic scholarship when they cannot
>read or write is criminal. The colleges want great teams however and
>will take anyone. But the rest of us went to learn and didn't appreciate
>the interruptions or problems they brought to campus. The school image
>can make the degree more or less valuable. For example...in the 1970's
>to graduate from USC you would be laughed at. Never mind that many of
>the programs were unbelieveable, the mere fact that basketball and
>football players graduated and COULD NOT READ OR WRITE with four year
>degrees made everyone feel like shit!
As compared to, say, peope like you who *can* read and write but
happily collected grades they didn't even show up for? Those who can;t
read and write on a 12th grade level have some sort of excuse, flimsy
as it may be at times. But you, well, there's no excuse.
>
>
>I think the number of ghetto kids plugging anyone from the "health" side
>is rare. I think that it is more likely that they are plugging them from
>the passenger side....maybe even the driver's side!
I take that back. You really can't read, can you? I said "plugging up"
-- as in plugging bullet wounds -- not plugging as in shooting someone
else. Reading comprehension does a body good, dude.
>
(snip)
>Since you brought it up...almost every player on our University's
>football, basketball, track, baseball teams were black. I am not against
>them coming to get an education at all. Hope they do while they are on
>campus. I feel that they should get there any way they can
>scolastically. It seems that the entrance requirements were too much for
>them scholastically however and the teams were not representative of any
>societal breakdown that I am aware of. How about you?
What -- you;re against someone getting a higher education simply
because they got in the door because they happen to be good athletes?
If that's indeed the case, you're *wayyyy* stupider than I originally
thought. In the name of scholastica, it don't matter how you get
there, as long as you get there.
>
>Then again neither are any of major league sports teams representative
>of society. This almost makes me believe that professional athletics
>must be loaded with racism because they only hire blacks to play. ?
>Makes you wonder doesn't it? Why is it that the only door they get to
>come in from is the field door? Why can't the professional teams and
>universities prepare these people to do something after they play ball
>for four years? I don't think they care.
Like we've been telling you all along, dimtwit, colleges DO prepare
college athletes for the world after they play sports for four years.
It's called a goddamned DEGREE in something unrelated to sports. Every
person playing college sports is attending the college to get a degree
in a normal profession. There is no BA in football, baseball, rugby,
decathalon or any other sport you care to name.
>I say to drop all non-scholastic scholarships if they require any
>external funds from tax payers.
There are none that I'm aware of. You're apparently the expert on this
subject who knows of such scholarships ... so ante up and name one of
them, if you can.
>If you go back and read I am no racist
>(THAT AREA IS COVERED ENTIRELY BY RANDALL OR THE "FRAUD" GOLSTEIN)...if
>you get anything from talking to me, I am fiscally conservative. I want
>to put tax dollars into your pocket, mine as well. How you _prefer_ to
>spend it all on other people I haven't quite figured out? You sound like
>one heck of a communist or socialist. Are you sure you are not that
>jackass Mike Malloy in disguise?
Well, if not being concerned over how kids end up in college as long
as they happen to end up in college and get a higher education makes
me a communist or socialist, well, drag me away. At least under my way
of thinking as compared to yours, far more kids would end up with
college diploamas.
>In any case just imagine having another $5k to $15k in your pocket each
>year. That is what you would have if they cut govt. spending. Somehow I
>think you like to debate and refuse to face the facts.
The government cuts spending and gives the cash to the citizenry.
Hahahahahahahahaahahaaaaa. What color *is* the sky in your world, pal?
>I feel that if I
>took you to the field(any one) and gave you a choice you would keep the
>cash you earned over giving it away to people you do not know. If I put
>the $10k you would have earned this year into your hand but due to taxes
>that cash was going to others and I MADE YOU PHYSICALLY TURN IT OVER to
>the person who was getting it (nobody you knew and for programs you do
>not agree with supporting) I think you would trun around and run for the
>hills with it! I BET YOU WOULD KEEP THE CASH! Hell you earned it so why
>not.
How the fuck did you manage to go from a rant about resource-sucking
kids on athletic scholarships to a rant about reducing government
spending for all with the notion that they're somehow related? God,
you are thick ...
>
>However, don't let me stop you from spending your own cash. Send all of
>it to the nearest university for some new football pads...they need it
>and I would rather it all came out of your pocket since it is you who
>sits at home and gets all bleary eyed about it. Who know's the next OJ
>is right around the corner and I would hate to take his chances away!
Nope, I think I'll start a scholarship in your name to perhaps send
you back to college to actually earn the grades and the scholastic
standing you're undoubtedly passing off as actually earned to your
potential employers.
Scott
AJ Scott
<YouMust...@YourLoc.com> said this:
>Who put a dime in you? It doesn't matter what I say...you are going to
>say the opposite side and take everything out of context. YOU ARE A
>FUCKING MORON HOWEVER!
A fucking moron, maybe, but not one with ShitForBrains. Nyaaa nyaaa --
I'm rubber and you're glue ....
>Do you by chance ever read anything that I write you dam fucking idiot?
>If so I have already supported my facts that these people are not doing
>the text book work you say they are.
Yes< i do< to my contant amusement. And since I DO:
1) "Dam" is a man-made or natural barrier inhibiting water flow.
"Damn," however, is an expletive.
2) The only thing you supported thus far, perhaps, is your balls in
your jockstrap or the crotch of your underwear.
3) Your arguments over "doing the text book work" are nothing more
than drivel unsupported by anything factual in context.
So fuck you more, dimtwit.
>That was in a school here in IL...not where I went for my four year
>degree.
Oh, so there's varying degrees of what constitutes "school" to you? Be
that as it may, I'm sure you still saw your way clear to extoll your
attendance at your "school" to some employer somewhere, huh?
>That is another fact. It has been statistically proven several times.
Name *one* of those studies, Mr. Fucking Wizard.
>The chance of becoming a professional athelete is far far far less
>likely than becoming a doctor. Don't believe me? Just take the most
>simple review of your phone book. Count the number of doctors listed for
>all areas...then count the number of persons on the teams in Chicago? It
>isn't even close you stupid fuck.
Gee, let's count the number of film and stage actors and actresses who
got into college on art/drama-related scholarships while we're at it,
since I wouldn't put it past a twit like yourself to also believes the
arts and humanities provide about as much value to humanity as sports.
>Well you can do it one of two ways. Lower the taxes and promise to
>freeze them for a given amount for time to those investing X amount of
>dolars or you can raise them and squeeze out the riffraff. Why what do
>you propose? More football stadiums?
The governemt promising something? The government promised that the
income tax was a temporary measure to fund its participation in WW1,
and that's still with it, so government promises mean shit. Second,
you extremist fuck, I hope I become dictator before you do so you end
up in my rifraff concentration camp faster that I end up in yours.
I don't have the answers, or else I'd be in government service.
>
>Sounds like you know a lot about Ford Ht's?
>
Sure do. Ford Heights and Phoenix is a short 10-minute drive from my
home in Thornton. Me knowing a lot about Ford Heights sure beats the
demonstration of knowledge you've put on in this thread.
>
>YOU MAKE IT TOO EASY YOU ARE SO FUCKING STUPID. QUICK DUMB FUCK...LOOK
>OUT THE WINDOW TO THE AREA KNOWN AS GREEK TOWN AROUND UIC. OK. WHAT DO
>YOU SEE? THE SLUMS ARE DISAPPEARING. SOON THAT WILL HAPPEN TO OTHER
>GHETTOES IN CHICAGO TOO. Maybe Mr. Daley has managed to pull corporate
>America into an area that they are reclaiming it from the gang bangers.
Oooooo ... a screamer. And an expletive screamer at that. I just drove
thru Greek Town last Friday and today for a first and second job
interview and found the place rather agreeable to me personally from a
civic aesthetics point of view, but at any rate I don't see anything
inherently wrong with replacing slums with college buildings and
businesses that offer people places to work. Good riddance to any slum
government happens to do away with and replace it with something
productive.
So what's your fucking point on this one, Einstein?
Scott.
Dan Barnes
> So fuck you more, dimtwit.
Idiot!! Everybody know this is properly spelled "dim-twit"!!!
HeyShitForBrains
> Ford Heights and Phoenix is a short 10-minute drive from my
> home in Thornton.
BWAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
THORTON!
HAHAHAHAAA! YOU TOTALY SUCK!
HeyShitForBrains
GET A RISE OUT OF PEOPLE. I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT YOU HAVEN'T AND
YOU ARE AN ASSHOLE.
AJ Scott wrote:
>
> On Thu, 20 Jan 2000 15:43:58 -0600, HeyShitForBrains
> <YouMust...@YourLoc.com> said this:
>
> >1) I HOPE THAT YOU ENJOY WORKING FOR THE NEXT FOUR MONTHS...EVERYTHING
> >YOU MAKE FOR THE NEXT FOUR MONTHS IS GOING TO PAY FOR PROGRAMS YOU
> >PROBABLY WILL NEVER USE. IF 40%+ GOES TO TAXES THEN IT WILL TAKE YOU
> >FOUR MONTHS (UNTIL MAY OR JUNE) TO EARN THE FIRST DOLLAR FOR LITTLE OLD
> >YOU. THAT INCLUDES THE SOON TO BE INSOLVENT SOCIAL SECURITY FUND!
>
> Personally, I really don't give a fuck. Really. I don't. I'm not
> basing my future income needs and solutions on SS. If it's gone in 25
> years, so what? Not like any control over it to begin with. So, no, I
> really don't give a fuck whether SS is around tomorrow or 50 years
> from now.
Good for you. But there is a solution. Allow people to invest their own
TAXED income into funds (these could be indexed funds that currently
exist such as the dogs of the dow, or even spiders) they desire by
giving them a choice. The Republicans are going to give us that
opportunity if they win the next set of elections. The Democrats will do
more of the same.
> Glad you don't have more pressing dail;y needs to worry
> about, since *you* don't have any more or less control over SS than I
> do But still and all, if it's gone in 5, 10 or 20 years, I think
> you'll be missing the money less, thereby making it harder for you to
> sleep at night while making it easier for someone like you (as opposed
> to someone like me) to join some white supremacy group intent on
> blowing up government buildings.
What is too bad is that you and one or two others cannot deal with more
than one issue in life at a time. I can more than study, and get on here
and whip your dumb ass as to the issues that I have been discussing. YOU
DO NOT KNOW A FUCKING THING ABOUT THE ATHLETIC PROGRAMS AT ALL.
> >2) 20+:1 ratio on starting the SS Fund...and by year 2020 the ratio will
> >be around 3:1 to 4:1. I hope you don't mind never seeing that money
> >because you SOCIALISTS love to pay taxes and you will not be getting any
> >of it back. I also do hope that you have lots of kids because I am going
> >to love seeing them enslaved to me for my SS needs!
>
> I have three kids. And like I'll really give a fuck about the state of
> world when they're my age because, well, I'll be dead and forgotten by
> then and, well, at that point, I really won't be in any position to
> wring my hands or give a fuck anyway, now will I?
You are a turd then.
> >Thanks AJ...you know so much more than myself about what goes on in the
> >athletics dept. of a college.
>
> Apparently I do, and I'm apparently not the only one telling you that
> you have absolutely no concept of what you've been whining about all
> this time.
>
> >As I said I pulled "B's" in several classes just by going onto the ice a
> >few times for a college here in IL that wanted me on their team one
> >year. I never ayttended the classes once! Even in HS when I quit the HS
> >hockey team (so that I would have time to do homework and play/practice
> >for the traveling team that I played for) I had two instructors tell me
> >to my face that "Now you will have to do your homework because you quit
> >the hockey team." They knew the week after I quit! So what are you able
> >to tell me that I do not know there AJ?
>
> And what -- an employer is supposed to feel confident hiring someone
> like you, given that golden nugget of information. Tell you what: If
> you and some black guy were sitting in front of me and I knew then
> what I know now about you, well, guess what white guy would still be
> looking for a job?
You prove time and time again that you cannot fucking read the entire
sentence. I do not know why you bother to reply? I said...when I was
younger I attended a school in IL...not related to my four year degree.
YOU ARE AN ASSHOLE.
I have not begun my job search at all yet.... I will be going out some
time in Feb. Why don't you tell me where you work so that I don't go
there for an interview.
> >Many of the "non scholastic" types who are on scholarships for purely
> >athletics are out getting stoned when they aren't in their season!
> >At least that is what I kept seeing at the university that I went too. Many
> >were bing arrested for drunk and disorderly...and they continue to do
> >the same after they are uh..."passed" through and have "finely
> >gradjeated." Hell we had one guy cut a girls head off and throw it in
> >the ditch, two others jumping over counters to rob retailers, etc.,
> >etc., etc. You cannot take kids out of the ghetto to give them an
> >opportunity and send them off to a University! They do not fit in and I
> >say to abolish the programs as they are a joke. I have also hung out
> >with minor league baseball players (again in my youth) and many of them
> >got stoned in the off season all day only to quit a month before to get
> >their "wind back." A baseball player with "wind" now that is a joke. I
> >don't care about their drug use but they were the worst scholastically,
> >passed on everything. Hell they were snatching the homework they never
> >did out of the rest of our hands to turn in the day it was due...the day
> >they would get off the bus. Why didn't it get done while they were on
> >the trip, well you have to study playbooks, and get drunk too of course.
> >Can't do everything.
>
> Jesus Christ -- you ARE fucking stupider than I originally imagined
> you to be.
Funny, that is just what I was thinking about yourself.
> >Many cannot even write or read after obtaining a "four year degree" in
> >(basketball) weaving. As I said...when I was younger I played ice
> >hockey. Did you get that? I played with two people who are now in the
> >pros. I am not jealous either. I hope they do well. I just do not think
> >that the funding of athletics is something that should be taxpayer
> >funded.
>
> And you got Bs for not showing up in class and you STILL haven't given
> me the name of one full-ride athletic scholarship funded 100% by
> taxpaer dollars. Should we demand that banks take back your school
> loan money because you;re just as grades-fucked as the jocks you
> apparently have a huge lifetime hard-on over? Funny, I haven't seen
> you offer to give the money back for getting B grades for classes you
> didn't attend and apparently a degree in whatever that you clearly
> don't deserve.
Hey stupid fuck. When I was in 7th and 8th grade I used to play high
school ice hockey in IL. I was good enough to easily make the third
line. By the time I was a freshman in HS I was playing varsity ice
hockey with 18 year olds and AAA traveling team hockey. You do not know
squat.
I feel sorry for your dumb ass genetic offspring.
I got the B's in several classes when I was 19 or 20 when just out of HS
and was asked out to play for an ice hockey team. I was told that O
couldn't play on the team unless I was enrolled for a certain amount of
hours, told what classes to take, etc. I attended ice hockey once for an
hour...made the team...and never showed up. I didn't want to play.
The grades did not go into my overall BS degree which was at another
four year university in another state. The classes would have had no
effect as I was double majoring and I had more than enough semester
hours for a masters degree.
OK stupid fuck. Or did you not read this far...again.
> >OK...and as I see Mr. Jahkne is pointing out that these funds are not
> >from the state or federal govt. I have to look into that as everything
> >that I know of it, that is not the case. Otherwise how can title 9
> >effect non federal funds? I am glad to have this pointed out to me and I
> >willlook into it.
>
> While you;re at it, look into your contention that athletic
> scholarships are paid for by taxpayer dollars.
NOTE: Many funds for university athletic programs are drawn from general
funds that the university sets up...funds which include those given by
the federal govt., the state that the university resides in and that
taken from university students upon registration for classes(THESE ARE
SCERTAINLY FUCKING TAXPAYERS TOO ASSHOLE as well as those not attending
the university). You have to be kidding em that the taxpayers of
Illinois do not pay for the stadiums? The equipment? The coaches? YOU
ARE AN ASSHOLE! WHY DO STUDENTS WHO DO NOT WANT TOP PAY FOR FUCKING
USELESS ASSHOLES TO BE ON THEIR CAMPUS AND WHO CANNOT READ AND WRITE
HAVE TO PAY...SAME FOR OTHER TAXPAYERS. That fund is drawn down against
by those programs. Personally I think that means that they are funded by
taxpayers...so go fuck yourself. I think you both are wrong.
> >Scale? At $200k+. In any case you are missing the point. I don't care if
> >they make it to the pros...in fact if they do great for them. Seriously.
> >Follow your dreams.
>
> Well, let's do the math taking from graduation age of 22 -- and
> assuming that your average football player's career last only five
> years, that an American male's life expectancy will be 72 years, and
> that the median income for a white guy making a living in a
> non-athletic occupation is $35,000 a year. And while we're at it,
> let's assume that, based on your spewings,
FUCK OFF ASSHOLE...it is like I said too. If they can make it good for
them. But if they fail...as they most likely will then the universities,
high schools, etc., should provide them with an education. YOU SHOULD
NOT DIRECT CHILDREN FROM THE GHETTO TO THE PROFESSIONAL SPORTS FOR WHEN
THEY DO NOT MAKE IT THEY WILL BE STUCK IN THE GHETTO.
1) I am not the only one complaining about the professional sports and
how they have enchraoched on our lives. They demand so much of our
childrens attantion too rather than their educations. The professional
teams should sponsor the training and playing facilities at all
universities. I am not the only one saying this either. The problem is
even crossing national boundaries. The MLB and NHL playing games in two
countries...I don't know is football the same too? The problems of pro
sports and collegiate sports have been well documented. THE FUCKING
TAXPAYERS ARE SICK OF IT.
http://espn.go.com/nhl/
"Government scraps Canadian aid plan Under pressure from taxpayers, the
Canadian government Friday abandoned its bailout package for its six NHL
teams. The decision could put some teams in danger of moving.
Commissioner Gary Bettman said he was disappointed by the decision. "
2) I suppose you think all of the stadiums are for the pros and the
universities are free too? THINK AGAIN ASSHOLE. THE POLITICIANS GIVE
THEM TO THEM THROUGH TAXED FUNDS! FUNDS THE TAXPAYERS HAVE TO COME UP
WITH. WHAT IF INSTEAD OF PUTTING UP A STADIUM FOR $50 MILLION WE BUILT
SCHOOLS?
3) YOU WOULD BE WISE TO DO SOME RESEARCH TOO ASSHOLE. YOUR NUMBERS ARE
ALL WRONG. NOW GO AHEAD AND DO IT ALL OVER WITH THE CORRECT NUMBERS
BELOW. THE POINT REMAINS HOWEVER...THESE PRO TEAMS CAN AFFORD TO
DISTRIBUTE FUNDS FOR THOSE IN UNIVERSITIES ACROSS THE NATION IF THEY
_HAD_TO_ TAKING THE LOAD OFF OF TAXPAYERS BACKS WHO FUND THEIR PHYSICAL
TRAINING!
...AND THE ASSHOLES OFTEN OBTAINING THE AWARDS FOR SCHOLARSHIPS ARE
MOSTLY MINORITIES! GO FIGURE...AS IT IS THE ONLY WAY THEY CAN GET THEM
ONTO THE CAMPUS FOR FREE. LOOK AT ANY COLLEGE BASKETBALL, FOOTBALL,
BASEBALL TEAM AND THEY ARE NOT RACIALLY BALANCED. THE REASON IS THAT
THEY USE THE TEAMS TO GET THEM TO THE UNIVERSITY AND PAY THEIR TUITION.
THE KIDS DESERVE BETTER! THEY DESERVE BETER SCHOOLS SO THAT THEY HAVE A
REASON TO GO TO SCHOOL OTHER THAN PLAYING F'ING PROFESSIONAL SPORTS!
FROM WHAT I SEE ROOKIES EARN:
NBA: 500K+
NFL: 1st yr. $175K, 2nd yr. $250K
NHL: ?
MLB: ?
~~~~~~~~~~
NBA
NUMBER OF GAMES PER SEASON:
http://www.sportserver.com/newsroom/ap/bkb/1997/nba/nba/feat/archive/061897/nba46010.html
"NEW YORK (Jun 18, 1997 - 15:03 EST) -- The salary scale for 1997 NBA
first-round draft picks (clubs are allowed to offer up to 20 percent
more than the scale figure; figures are in hundreds of thousands of
dollars):
Pick 1stYear 2ndYear 3rdYear Total
1 2,473.2 2,844.2 3,215.2 8,532.5
2 2,212.8 2,544.7 2,876.6 7,634.2
3 1,987.2 2,285.3 2,583.4 6,855.8
4 1,791.6 2,060.3 2,329.1 6,181.0
5 1,622.4 1,865.8 2,109.1 5,597.3
.
.
.
25 533.7 613.8 693.8 1,841.3
26 516.0 593.4 670.8 1,780.2
27 501.1 576.3 651.5 1,728.9
28 498.0 572.7 647.4 1,718.1
29 494.4 568.6 642.7 1,705.7
~~~~~~~~~~
NFL
NUMBER OF GAMES PER SEASON:
Minimum salary for rookies is $175,000
Second year salary is $250,000
The salary scale continues to increase from there until you become a
four-year veteran (complete three seasons) and can become a free agent.
If you become a free agent the sky is the limit due to the ability to
obtain deferred payments....a-la Walter Payton.
http://nfl.com/news/99freeagency/qa.html
"Q: What determines each team's salary cap? Is it always in effect?
A: The salary cap is the absolute maximum each club may spend on player
salaries in a capped year. For 1999, that amounts to 63 percent of
leaguewide "Defined Gross Revenues" (divided by 31
teams), made up of preseason, regular-season and postseason gate
receipts and radio and television rights. The cap is in effect 365 days
a year. From February 12 to the day before the season begins,
a club's top 51 salaried players count towards the cap, plus pro-rated
signing bonuses, incentives, etc., but not base salaries of other
players on the roster up to 80. Thereafter, all salaries
on a club's roster count towards the cap. The maximum salary cap for
1999 is $57,288,000 per club. The minimum salary cap is $48,040,000.
Player benefits are $7,445,000 per club above the salary cap number."
~~~~~~~~~~
NHL
NUMBER OF GAMES PER SEASON: 50
Rookies...$?
http://www.calgaryherald.com/flames/stories/981023/1958753.html
"Sixteen players earn $5 million or more per season (compared to only
seven in October, 1997) and 29 players make $4 million or more per
season (compared to only 12 in October, 1997)."
~~~~~~~~~~
MLB BASEBALL
ACTIVE ROSTERS: 25
NUMBER OF GAMES PER SEASON: 162+
Rookies...$?
~~~~~~~~~~
AND WHAT DO THESE COLLEGE COAHES COST THE TAXPAYERS? THIS IS JUST A
SAMPLE:
http://www.gazetteonline.com/hawkeyes/football/1998/journal/jour025.htm
Now we have a little bit better idea about why University of Iowa
Athletic Director Bob Bowlsby passed up an offer for the same position
at Duke University for a salary and benefit package estimated at
$400,000. As Iowa's A.D., Bowlsby was receiving a salary-and-benefit
package of $177,500 -- building from a base salary of $130,000. A
quarter million dollar difference must have been sorely tempting, except
that officials at the U of I made a counter offer. Indeed they did, as
reported last week in The Gazette. The salary part of his income was
almost immediately booted up to $175,000, and last week was further
escalated to $182,000. On top of that, he will receive $120,000 a year
for fund-raising work on behalf of the university. The latter will come
from the university budget, the rest from the athletic department."
> Sorry, I don't think I missed the point.
YOU ARE AN ASSHOLE IS THE POINT.
> >I think the number of ghetto kids plugging anyone from the "health" side
> >is rare. I think that it is more likely that they are plugging them from
> >the passenger side....maybe even the driver's side!
>
> I take that back. You really can't read, can you? I said "plugging up"
> -- as in plugging bullet wounds -- not plugging as in shooting someone
> else. Reading comprehension does a body good, dude.
I MEANT WHAT I SAID...EXPLICITLY AS I SAID IT. FUCK OFF.
> The government cuts spending and gives the cash to the citizenry.
> Hahahahahahahahaahahaaaaa. What color *is* the sky in your world, pal?
VOTE REPUBLICAN AND DEMAND AN END TO THE DAMM PROGRAMS THAT ARE FAILING
YOU. STOP GIVING AWAY YOUR RIGHTS TOO AND IF YOU LET OTHERS KNOW THINGS
WILL CHANGE.
YOU HAVE CAPITULATED. THAT IS YOUR PROBLEM ASSHOLE. I WOULD HATE TO BE
YOUR KIDS BECAUSE YOU MAY AS WELL BE BURRIED. YOU HAVE CAPITULATED FROM
YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO DEMAND THE BEST FROM OUR GOVERNMENT.
> >I feel that if I
> >took you to the field(any one) and gave you a choice you would keep the
> >cash you earned over giving it away to people you do not know. If I put
> >the $10k you would have earned this year into your hand but due to taxes
> >that cash was going to others and I MADE YOU PHYSICALLY TURN IT OVER to
> >the person who was getting it (nobody you knew and for programs you do
> >not agree with supporting) I think you would trun around and run for the
> >hills with it! I BET YOU WOULD KEEP THE CASH! Hell you earned it so why
> >not.
>
> How the fuck did you manage to go from a rant about resource-sucking
> kids on athletic scholarships to a rant about reducing government
> spending for all with the notion that they're somehow related? God,
> you are thick ...
HEY SCOTT...FUCK OFF ASSHOLE.
ALL OF THE ABOVE TOPICS ARE CONNECTED! The wealfare of the inner city is
very connected to all of the discussion. The tax situation is too
burdonsdome for people who have fixed or low incomes living in the inner
cities and they canot make a better life for themselves. Then to target
thjat same group of people's children with dreams of pro sports
contracts is ludicrous. They should have safe schools to go to. OK then
how to change the situation?
TAXES: If the tax situation stays the same we will have a decreasing
economy. We will also have no Social Security as it is impossible to
imagine our children paying in at the ratios that I discussed of 3:1 and
4:1 when the program was designed at a time whn the ratios were 22:1.
Did you read the documents that I directed you to? If so then they
support everything that I have said.
If you return the tax money or allow people to invest it via govt.
programs where the tool of investments are spiders or indexes then
everyone gains. But that option must be given to the taxpayers and the
Democrats are not giving it to us.
HEALTH CARE: The health care bills will bankrupt us for sure. They have
already bankrupted the entire State Of California. FUCK EXPANDING HEALTH
CARE AT ALL.
SCHOOLS: Allow corporations to adopt them, donate to them $5 million per
school for repairs and rebuilding, texts, etc., and scholastic programs
development. I also say to send people who can make it too college...not
on athletic scholarships however. We have to send all of the kids to
coollege and they have to be capable to go.
We should not build professional franchises up. If the professional
leagues want the teams to continue then let them sponsor the sports that
definately are a burdon on taxpayers.
RACISM: If you keep the tax situation where it is...investment breaks
for opening business in Malay, Russia, China, Guatemala, etc., but none
for Chicago, LA and Miami...then you will keep the poor-poor. YOU ARE A
DUMB ASS TO SAY OTHERWISE. OUR INNER CITIES NEED THE CAPITAL! Billions
should be going into our cities and instead they are going to foreign
countries. By keeping the divide you give people like Clinto, Jesse
Jackson, Sharpton, etc., JOBS. They are race baiters rather than
solution makers. The solutions are clear...bring the cash back to the
inner cities.
If you keep the tax situation where it is...then you will expand the gap
between rich and poor and will send millions to the ABSOLUTELY LOWEST
INCOME LEVEL.
I am done responding to you...you are a hopeless SOCIALIST. GO FUCK OFF.
HeyShitForBrains
> Personally, I really don't give a fuck. Really. I don't. I'm not
> basing my future income needs and solutions on SS. If it's gone in 25
> years, so what? Not like any control over it to begin with. So, no, I
> really don't give a fuck whether SS is around tomorrow or 50 years
> from now. Glad you don't have more pressing dail;y needs to worry
> about, since *you* don't have any more or less control over SS than I
> do But still and all, if it's gone in 5, 10 or 20 years, I think
> you'll be missing the money less, thereby making it harder for you to
> sleep at night while making it easier for someone like you (as opposed
> to someone like me) to join some white supremacy group intent on
> blowing up government buildings.
Heh, I skipped some of your drivel and then I saw the last line....why
would I do that? YOU ARE A FUCKING TURD! Why does discussing the issue
of forcing the government to be fiscally responsible and to return funds
to us they do not need for programs that have been proven to be failures
have anything to do with the latter? YOU LISTEN TO FUCKING MIKE MALLOY
THE COMMUNIST / SOCIALIST TOO MUCH. HE LIKE YOU ARE AN ASSHOLE!
I am a fucking American you asshole, to the nth degree. If Terry
WhatsHisFuck or any of them were next door to me and they did what they
did in Oaklahoma...I might drag them out and shoot them myself. But
you...YOU are a special case. You want the govt to enslave us so that we
work ten to twenty extra years for nothing other than to feed lazy
assholes on welfare, build bombs and police the rest of the thrid world
shitbag countries. YOU MY FRIEND ARE A FUCKING SOCIALIST. YOU WANT TO
OPPRESS EVERYONE.
Jacob M. Kaplan
Jerome Jahnke
>
> YOU ARE SUCH A FUCKING PUTZ. THE ONLY THING YOU LIKE TO DO IS TO TRY TO
> GET A RISE OUT OF PEOPLE. I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT YOU HAVEN'T AND
> YOU ARE AN ASSHOLE.
Shouldn't you be studying or something?
Jer,
Jerome Jahnke
>
> Can we contact this son of a bitch's ISP and get his account terminated?
Really now... This is what free speech is predicated on. People believe
in this shit, and while I find it abhorrant, I am sure that ideas I
espouse are just as abhorrant to others. He didn't make threats, he
expressed a wrong headed opinion, nothing wrong in that.
Jer,
AJ Scott
<YouMust...@YourLoc.com> said this:
>I am done responding to you...you are a hopeless SOCIALIST. GO FUCK OFF.
Do you promise? I mean *really* promise??? I'm counting on you ...
Scott
HeyShitForBrains
>
> On Fri, 21 Jan 2000 16:36:06 -0600, HeyShitForBrains
> <YouMust...@YourLoc.com> said this:
>
>
>
> Scott
Yea I promise
HeyShitForBrains
>
> HeyShitForBrains wrote:
> >
> > YOU ARE SUCH A FUCKING PUTZ. THE ONLY THING YOU LIKE TO DO IS TO TRY TO
> > GET A RISE OUT OF PEOPLE. I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT YOU HAVEN'T AND
> > YOU ARE AN ASSHOLE.
>
>
> Jer,
:-)
Jer...the next time that they protest at Northwestern I will go with
you. Do you have the guts? I will show up and put down the racists. We
need to get going and motivate everyone here. I think we could get
everyone involved. If you want to go I will give you an address that you
can reach me at. I am sincere.
HeyShitForBrains
What did you find abhorrant? I was cursed at and cursed back... I was
told that sports players make X when they make Y... I was told many many
things and I found documentation to the exact opposite. I am against
racism (Randall and Goldstein) and would love to see some cash put into
our schools in any way I can get it. I don't have the money or I would
do it myself.
You know if Gates put 25 Billion of his cash into inner city schools
across the us I think many of us would gladly use his OS.
Jerome Jahnke
> Jer...the next time that they protest at Northwestern I will go with
> you. Do you have the guts? I will show up and put down the racists. We
> need to get going and motivate everyone here. I think we could get
> everyone involved. If you want to go I will give you an address that you
> can reach me at. I am sincere.
Protests are a young mans sport. I live my life in an the manner I want
others to imitate. Personally I feel we will never get rid of racists,
we need someone to blame. But on the positive side I treat each person I
meet as best I can, and serve as a positive example in that way.
I continue to be shocked when I run into black programmers. I don't know
why it suprises me so, but it still does, oddly enough of the 3 I have
met not a single one of them was a native American, this does disturb me
and I have often wondered how much tax incentive the gubbiment would
give me to start a business in a poor urban, mostly black area. Hell I
know more women programmers than I do black ones, and I can count the
women programmers I know on the fingers of my two hands.
I do know that science and math are hurting right now for lack of
qualified people who want to go into it. I don't know why blacks aren't
attracted by it. I know that my interest in video games sparked a great
deal of intellectual development by me, and many of my peers, I also
know that black kids are just as likely to play video games as white
kids, I don't why black kids don't make the same jump.
Jer,
Jerome Jahnke
>
> Jerome Jahnke wrote:
> >
> > "Jacob M. Kaplan" wrote:
> > >
> > > Can we contact this son of a bitch's ISP and get his account terminated?
> >
> > Really now... This is what free speech is predicated on. People believe
> > in this shit, and while I find it abhorrant, I am sure that ideas I
> > espouse are just as abhorrant to others. He didn't make threats, he
> > expressed a wrong headed opinion, nothing wrong in that.
> >
> > Jer,
>
> What did you find abhorrant? I was cursed at and cursed back... I was
> told that sports players make X when they make Y... I was told many many
> things and I found documentation to the exact opposite. I am against
> racism (Randall and Goldstein) and would love to see some cash put into
> our schools in any way I can get it. I don't have the money or I would
> do it myself.
Sparky, you gotta learn how to follow the thread. Aaron Goldstein is the
"son of a bitch" to which Jacob is referring...
> You know if Gates put 25 Billion of his cash into inner city schools
> across the us I think many of us would gladly use his OS.
Gates has been doing this, an obscene amount (though lots of it is in MS
products,) after years of not giving any money at all. All of a sudden
he got real generous. Struck me as rather convient. Not that I hide my
"day" job from anyone (since you have guessed wrong twice) but during
the "day" I work with NT all day, and no amount of money given to
schools would make it more palatable to me.
Jer,
HeyShitForBrains
>
> HeyShitForBrains wrote:
>
> > Jer...the next time that they protest at Northwestern I will go with
> > you. Do you have the guts? I will show up and put down the racists. We
> > need to get going and motivate everyone here. I think we could get
> > everyone involved. If you want to go I will give you an address that you
> > can reach me at. I am sincere.
>
> Protests are a young mans sport. I live my life in an the manner I want
> others to imitate. Personally I feel we will never get rid of racists,
> we need someone to blame. But on the positive side I treat each person I
> meet as best I can, and serve as a positive example in that way.
Fair enough but the blame game has me wore out and ticked off. I would
like to go kick "Hales" ass to the shore and then some despite the fact
that I know he is a useless dolt.
> I continue to be shocked when I run into black programmers. I don't know
> why it suprises me so, but it still does, oddly enough of the 3 I have
> met not a single one of them was a native American, this does disturb me
> and I have often wondered how much tax incentive the gubbiment would
> give me to start a business in a poor urban, mostly black area. Hell I
> know more women programmers than I do black ones, and I can count the
> women programmers I know on the fingers of my two hands.
>
> I do know that science and math are hurting right now for lack of
> qualified people who want to go into it. I don't know why blacks aren't
> attracted by it. I know that my interest in video games sparked a great
> deal of intellectual development by me, and many of my peers, I also
> know that black kids are just as likely to play video games as white
> kids, I don't why black kids don't make the same jump.
>
> Jer,
All of the schools and programs need to be looked at for improvements
and I think the net will provide great changes. I think we ought to
start looking to develop an open source school system with heavy media
involvement! (Linux fashion!) The area of education is one where
students will only become interested in the subject when it is fun,
current, and appealing to their immediate pop culture. Instructors can
increase the level of difficulty anytime but the instructors and
material must appeal to the kids. The Internet is going to be a great
tool for roling out successful programs once they are developed.
Computers will become more prevalent in the classroom and across the
globe, allowing us to deliver more advanced applications with increasing
bandwidths...so it is all coming together. Then an even playing field
will be available to all. The materials will be available. We will see
the true potential come out of the kids as when one system is proven to
work it will be widely available via the Internet at DSL speeds. I am
suprised that the school system results are as poor as they are given
that we are in the US with such a vast array of tools and the ability to
analyze the entire system down to the vinyl flooring. Maybe we are just
seeing the decline of the non media systems (textbooks) as the "new
media" (electronic / net based) systems start to take off.
I also keep seeing the kids at Borders when I am out...and I think we
need to remove the coldness from the buildings and assignments because
they definitely like hanging out there. Maybe we need to have free
coffee is that the answer!:-) I feel that the HS aged kids are bright
enough to learn but they are not being invited to try out the material
when _they_ are ready for it. I think HS aged children are ready far
earlier than the system gives them credit (too structured, non-dynamic).
But the programs have to be heavily integrated into their
culture...break out the bean bag chairs and espresso I suppose.
HeyShitForBrains
>
> HeyShitForBrains wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > "Jacob M. Kaplan" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Can we contact this son of a bitch's ISP and get his account terminated?
> > >
> > > Really now... This is what free speech is predicated on. People believe
> > > in this shit, and while I find it abhorrant, I am sure that ideas I
> > > espouse are just as abhorrant to others. He didn't make threats, he
> > > expressed a wrong headed opinion, nothing wrong in that.
> > >
> > > Jer,
> >
> > What did you find abhorrant? I was cursed at and cursed back... I was
> > told that sports players make X when they make Y... I was told many many
> > things and I found documentation to the exact opposite. I am against
> > racism (Randall and Goldstein) and would love to see some cash put into
> > our schools in any way I can get it. I don't have the money or I would
> > do it myself.
>
> Sparky, you gotta learn how to follow the thread. Aaron Goldstein is the
> "son of a bitch" to which Jacob is referring...
Ahhhhh....thanks! Go ahead Jacob fire away!
;-)
With all of the fireworks around it is hard to tell where the flames
are!
smr
jka...@macsrule.com says...
> Can we contact this son of a bitch's ISP and get his account terminated?
Why? Because you don't like what he has to say? I wasn't aware that being
racist was cause for getting an account terminated. Censor.
smr
HONU763
>Can we contact this son of a bitch's ISP and get his account terminated?
yeah, great idea. lets silence everyone we disagree with.
and after we cancel his account, maybe we can get some brown shirts to
confiscate his computer too.
kahunaac...@yahoo.com
Thou unreconstructed John Bircher/neo-Nazi!
Perhaps Shylock was right when he remarked that "the Devil can cite
Scripture for his own purpose...."; doubtless such may be said to apply
to situations invoking Holy Writ to justify enforced ethnoracial
segregation (cf. the overly Calvinist disciplines of South Africa as
were used to justify apartheid under the National Party's reign of
terror between 1948 and 1994, reinforced by the ilk of the Group Areas
Acts, the National Homelands Acts and the Separate Amenities Act).
And besides: Where does Holy Writ justify Purity to be "Christian" and
"American," and Tolerance to be "Communist"? Does this not reek of
apartheid-era South Africa?
And is not Purity a subjective idea, one as can be used as code to whip
up "law-and-order" mentalities reeking of racist banality and even
sadism?
--
Sincerely,
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stand at around 30-35 million. Are you saying that all balck people are on
welfare? Contrary to what the media and vote hungry politians would have you
believe, the average wellfare recipient is a teenage white female with
child(ren), living in a rural area.
"Aaron Goldstein"
> If the Negroes stopped leeching off the white people, stopped consuming
> welfare funds and stopped stealing and committing violent crimes, which
> they do disproportionately more than whites, I would only be very happy
> and would stop calling them Negroes.