Were van Gogh and Gaugin gay?
Kenji
jga...@ripco.com (John M. Gamble) wrote:
> This doesn't come through in the exhibit in Chicago. I got some of this
> from the van Gogh exhibit in Detroit when they were running the van Gogh
> portraits (absolutely terrific show, by the way), and Gaugin, well, his
> personality flaws were written about extensively.
^^^^^
Since when did being queer become a personality flaw?
Complicated Man
Nice job, Kenji. Did you read the post or were you just in
a moralizing mood?
le platypus charmant
: In article <a1952n$rfq$1...@bob.news.rcn.net>,
: Mark Anderson <m...@enteract.com> wrote:
:>After visiting the Art Museum it appears so.
: Note the followup.
Noted.
: Actually, probably not. Both Van Gogh and Gaugin were known to, erm,
: frequent the company of the working girls.
Dunno about Van Gogh, but Gaugin did - after ditching Van Gogh and moving
to Tahiti - write extensively about the beauty of at least one young man
on the island. Whether anything happened between the two isn't clear. He
also spoke glowingly of the beauty of about, oh, fifteen thousand of the
beautiful women (girls, whatever, he didn't seem to care about age) on the
island. And we *know* that he spread his seed far and wide with the women.
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kenji
Complicated Man <Tb...@pimpdaddy.com> wrote:
I read every post.
Complicated Man
Guess this exception proved the rule ...
John M. Gamble
*Sigh*. Snipping out the relevant paragraphs and then responding to
what's left (innaccurately) is troll-like behaviour. But for those
who might be confused, Gaugin's personality flaw, as i stated before
in the chi.eats message (followed-up to here), was his son-of-a-bitch
type behaviour, and his willingness to use people.
Since i suggested that Gaugin was *not* gay, i couldn't have suggested
that being gay was a personality flaw. And, i don't believe that it is.
-john
February 28 1997: Last day libraries could order catalogue cards
from the Library of Congress.
Complicated Man
>In article <kenji-B998A1....@news-central.giganews.com>,
>Kenji <ke...@enteract.com> wrote:
>>In article <a1ftds$8ih$1...@gail.ripco.com>,
>> jga...@ripco.com (John M. Gamble) wrote:
>>
>>> This doesn't come through in the exhibit in Chicago. I got some of this
>>> from the van Gogh exhibit in Detroit when they were running the van Gogh
>>> portraits (absolutely terrific show, by the way), and Gaugin, well, his
>>> personality flaws were written about extensively.
>> ^^^^^
>>
>>Since when did being queer become a personality flaw?
>
>*Sigh*. Snipping out the relevant paragraphs and then responding to
>what's left (innaccurately) is troll-like behaviour.
I flamed his ass for it, don't worry. All he had to say was
"I read every post".
Lee
famous people from the past gay' - why do we ask?" or something close to that.
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Lee
John M. Gamble <jga...@ripco.com> wrote:
>In article <a1952n$rfq$1...@bob.news.rcn.net>,
>Mark Anderson <m...@enteract.com> wrote:
>>After visiting the Art Museum it appears so.
>>
>
>Note the followup.
>
[snip]
>
>By the way, i heard on Wait Wait that some art historian is suggesting
>that it was Gaugin that sliced van Gogh's ear. Another interesting
>theory to speculate about.
I heard that too, but I think it was on "Rewind" and was supposed to be a joke.
John M. Gamble
Lee <kat...@tigger.cc.uic.edu> wrote:
>In article <a1ftds$8ih$1...@gail.ripco.com>,
>John M. Gamble <jga...@ripco.com> wrote:
>>
>>By the way, i heard on Wait Wait that some art historian is suggesting
>>that it was Gaugin that sliced van Gogh's ear. Another interesting
>>theory to speculate about.
>
>I heard that too, but I think it was on "Rewind" and was supposed to be a joke.
>
It may well turn out to be a joke (i.e., too silly in light of the
available evidence), but i believe it was a seriously intended suggestion.
Complicated Man
>Thurs on Odessey, on WBEZ, they will discuss "Often it is asked
>'were famous people from the past gay' - why do we ask?" or
>something close to that.
1 All humans have an innate fear that they could have been gay themselves.
2 All humans like gossip and the only thing about famous people possible
to gossip about any more is whether they were gay.
3 All humans have forever equated creativity with weirdness and hence
GAY[tm]-ness.
4 All humans think that art, music, theater etc is not done by real men,
hence they think it is GAY[tm].
Let me know if anyone says any of this on the show.
I just saw a show on Channel 11 discussing why sitcoms are funny
and I freakin wanted to kill myself after the third dumb platitude
Michael Dix
> 3 All humans have forever equated creativity with weirdness and hence
> GAY[tm]-ness.
5. Gay people are proud of gay folk's accomplishments and identify
with their forebears (so to speak).
Complicated Man
>5. Gay people are proud of gay folk's accomplishments and identify
> with their forebears (so to speak).
My list was a list of ultra-boring cliches which are sure to get
repeated the show. The above is not a cliche. Then again, it has
nothing to do with the topic either.
max
> I just saw a show on Channel 11 discussing why sitcoms are funny
> and I freakin wanted to kill myself after the third dumb platitude
What did they say about Frasier and Third Rock?
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wrote:
>In article <a1jdcg$b2n$1...@bob.news.rcn.net>, Con Man
><Tb...@pimpdaddy.com> wrote:
>
>> I just saw a show on Channel 11 discussing why sitcoms are funny
>> and I freakin wanted to kill myself after the third dumb platitude
>
>You're a perfect example of one kind of sheep the idiot box was made
>for: not the ultra-stupid baa-baa kind like Bwian, but the kind that's
>just smart enough to say clever and self-congratulatory things like
>that, *after* being more than stupid enough to watch the bullshit in
>the first place. The advertisers[*] love you and are confident that
>you'll keep watching until you croak. And now this.
>
>[*] Oops, I mean "underwriters".
astericks suck.
Michael Dix
Assuming the topic is leek's "Often it is asked 'were famous people
from the past gay' - why do we ask?", one reason is that some of
"we" - certainly many of those who would tune into such a show -
are gay folks who are proud of the accomplishments of past gay
people. (For example, the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel
might have an extra significance for a gay guy who thinks,
"Hey - a gay guy painted this.")
Complicated Man
>Assuming the topic is leek's "Often it is asked 'were famous people
>from the past gay' - why do we ask?", one reason is that some of
>"we" - certainly many of those who would tune into such a show -
>are gay folks who are proud of the accomplishments of past gay
>people. (For example, the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel
>might have an extra significance for a gay guy who thinks,
>"Hey - a gay guy painted this.")
In that case, I am wrong and it's not a cliche. However, I haven't
ever heard this explanation before. Where have you heard it?
Complicated Man
>Tb...@pimpdaddy.com wrote:
>
>> I just saw a show on Channel 11 discussing why sitcoms are funny
>> and I freakin wanted to kill myself after the third dumb platitude
>
>What did they say about Frasier and Third Rock?
Nothing, at least in the part I watched. The general impression
I got was that the history of TV sitcoms consists of the Dick
van Dyke show, Archie Bunker and Seinfeld. And the reason they
make us laugh is that they are *just like us*, except for some
weird quirks which makes their lives so weird, and there but
for the grace of god go we. So we laugh.
kill me now
Complicated Man
>In article <a1jdcg$b2n$1...@bob.news.rcn.net>, Con Man
><Tb...@pimpdaddy.com> wrote:
>
>> and I freakin wanted to kill myself after the third dumb platitude
>
>for: not the ultra-stupid baa-baa kind like Bwian, but the kind that's
>just smart enough to say clever and self-congratulatory things like
>that, *after* being more than stupid enough to watch the bullshit in
>the first place. The advertisers[*] love you and are confident that
>you'll keep watching until you croak. And now this.
>
>[*] Oops, I mean "underwriters".
I didn't watch it.
Dumbass...
Complicated Man
><Tb...@pimpdaddy.com> wrote:
>
>> I just saw a show on Channel 11 discussing why sitcoms are funny
>> and I freakin wanted to kill myself after the third dumb platitude
Nice wichsen... I saw it, I watched for the length of three
dumb platitudes, and I switched it off. if you want to call
that watching it, I concede. You are the man. I am completely
inconsistent in criticizing something I saw on TV if I saw it
on TV. One should only criticize something if he hasn't seen
it.
It can be logically deduced that anyone who switches the TV on
is a "sheep" who necessarily keeps it on for hours, especially
through commercials, and runs out and buys whatever was advertized,
and probably also goes to church and exhibits the same behavior,
which has been proven by physics to be moronic. In contrast,
Matt Black is the profoundest social critic of our time.
<Tb...@pimpdaddy.com> wrote:
>
> Dumbass...
Rob Bullock
wrote:
Then this perhaps?
http://www.transparencynow.com
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Rob Bullock
wrote:
> Then this perhaps?
>
> http://www.transparencynow.com
More specifically:
http://www.transparencynow.com/sitcom.htm
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John M. Gamble
*Sigh*. Snipping out the relevant paragraphs and then responding to
what's left (innaccurately) is troll-like behaviour. But for those
who might be confused, Gaugin's personality flaw, as i stated before
in the chi.eats message (followed-up to here), was his son-of-a-bitch
type behaviour, and his willingness to use people.
Since i suggested that Gaugin was *not* gay, i couldn't have suggested
that being gay was a personality flaw. And, i don't believe that it is.
-john
February 28 1997: Last day libraries could order catalogue cards
from the Library of Congress.
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Complicated Man
>In article <kenji-B998A1....@news-central.giganews.com>,
>Kenji <ke...@enteract.com> wrote:
>>In article <a1ftds$8ih$1...@gail.ripco.com>,
>> jga...@ripco.com (John M. Gamble) wrote:
>>
>>> This doesn't come through in the exhibit in Chicago. I got some of this
>>> from the van Gogh exhibit in Detroit when they were running the van Gogh
>>> portraits (absolutely terrific show, by the way), and Gaugin, well, his
>>> personality flaws were written about extensively.
>> ^^^^^
>>
>>Since when did being queer become a personality flaw?
>
>*Sigh*. Snipping out the relevant paragraphs and then responding to
>what's left (innaccurately) is troll-like behaviour.
I flamed his ass for it, don't worry. All he had to say was
"I read every post".
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