Chicago State shooting

[Chicago Paddling-Fishing]

This part of the article got me the most;

"... (Chicago Public Schools) periodically uses the university's athletic
facility to provide a neutral setting for student sporting events.
This is the first such incident to occur on the campus of Chicago State
University where CPS students have played many times over the last three
years," the statement said...."

They need a neutral location to play sports?

On a side note, 2 of my kids had sports meets last night and my wife said when
they were leaving the entrance door was closed and a single police officer was
in the entranceway observing people come and go.

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[smr]

On Thu, 17 Jan 2013 16:59:54 +0000 (UTC), Chicago Paddling-Fishing wrote:

> This part of the article got me the most;
>
> "... (Chicago Public Schools) periodically uses the university's athletic
> facility to provide a neutral setting for student sporting events.
> This is the first such incident to occur on the campus of Chicago State
> University where CPS students have played many times over the last three
> years," the statement said...."
>
> They need a neutral location to play sports?

Yes, Pollyanna, when two schools from either side of a gang boundary need
to play a game, it's wise to not choose either school as the site but go
neutral location.

> On a side note, 2 of my kids had sports meets last night and my wife said when
> they were leaving the entrance door was closed and a single police officer was
> in the entranceway observing people come and go.

Great. So now taxpayers are footing for extra cops to keep your fuckin'
kids safe. Awesome.

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smr

[Brent]

Move to Somalia then you won't have to pay for other people's children.

[tert in seattle]

but you will have to pay for your own children to get them back from the
kidnappers

[smr]

jesus christ shut the fuck up you dumb shit-eating bastard

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smr

[smr]

I'd hate to meet the woman who'd meet Blennie and go "Yep, wanna breed with
this guy".

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smr

[Brent]

Awww... poor baby shawn...

[tert in seattle]

you've probably met a few...

[smr]

This is unfortunately true, once ruminated upon for a minute.

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smr

[smr]

No, I'm pretty sure the dumb baby is the fuckhead who shits up EVERY
fucking thread with his own personal hobbyhorse. You're like some
trendwhore fuckwad who has to turn every convo onto his one favorite topic
ad fucking nauseum. Eat a shotgun barrel already.

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smr

[Brent]

My hobby horse? Moving to Somalia when one doesn't like the system here
isn't my hobbyhorse. You know full well those whom use that one
repeatedly and it isn't me. Furthermore, I didn't bring up taxpayers. I
didn't bring up paying for another person's children. You did that. You
shitted up the thread with your complaint. Yet another example of
routine complaining that has been part of this froup from long before I
posted anything remotely close to what you dislike from me.

[Ts of Og]

When the Red line closes this summer the Green line will get all the
moolie traffic. I'd avoid the Roosevelt El stop if going to the museum
campus then, especially if you're a euro-visitor.

[smr]

Go hug your Lew Rockwell blow-up doll and jump off a bridge.

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smr

[Brent]

Perhaps you and others should stop posting lew rockwell like comments.

[Geoff Gass]

Ts of Og <jgro...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> When the Red line closes this summer the Green line will get all the
> moolie traffic. I'd avoid the Roosevelt El stop if going to the museum
> campus then, especially if you're a euro-visitor.

hey genius, the red line stops at roosevelt too.

[Chicago Paddling-Fishing]

smr <m...@shawnritchie.com> wrote:
>On Thu, 17 Jan 2013 16:59:54 +0000 (UTC), Chicago Paddling-Fishing wrote:

>> This part of the article got me the most;
>>
>> "... (Chicago Public Schools) periodically uses the university's athletic
>> facility to provide a neutral setting for student sporting events.
>> This is the first such incident to occur on the campus of Chicago State
>> University where CPS students have played many times over the last three
>> years," the statement said...."
>>
>> They need a neutral location to play sports?

>Yes, Pollyanna, when two schools from either side of a gang boundary need
>to play a game, it's wise to not choose either school as the site but go
>neutral location.

Yep, sure was wise to run it as they did, act like cowards by eliminating
home field for either side and leave another kid dead.

I don't know which team was to be home team but they probably should have had
the game where it belonged and used a bigger police presence instead to prevent
gatherings outside and use busses to transport students so they'd clear the
visiting fans and team immediately rather than hold them inside, insuring that
people would be outside longer rather than dispersing.

>> On a side note, 2 of my kids had sports meets last night and my wife said when
>> they were leaving the entrance door was closed and a single police officer was
>> in the entranceway observing people come and go.

>Great. So now taxpayers are footing for extra cops to keep your fuckin'
>kids safe. Awesome.

Actually, the parents of kids in my kids school pay as much, or perhaps more
than the parents of kids at either of those schools in taxes and property
taxes.

http://schools.chicagotribune.com/school/morgan-park-high-school_chicago says
76.4% of students at Morgan Park are low income students.

http://schools.chicagotribune.com/school/simeon-career-academy-high-school_chicago/
says 92.2% of students at Simeon are low income students.

[smr]

On Fri, 18 Jan 2013 07:26:45 +0000 (UTC), Chicago Paddling-Fishing wrote:

> Yep, sure was wise to run it as they did, act like cowards by eliminating
> home field for either side and leave another kid dead.
>
> I don't know which team was to be home team but they probably should have had
> the game where it belonged and used a bigger police presence instead to prevent
> gatherings outside and use busses to transport students so they'd clear the
> visiting fans and team immediately rather than hold them inside, insuring that
> people would be outside longer rather than dispersing.

Well, why don't you just ring McCarthy right up and tell him that, per you,
he's doing his job wrong?

>>Great. So now taxpayers are footing for extra cops to keep your fuckin'
>>kids safe. Awesome.
>
> Actually, the parents of kids in my kids school pay as much, or perhaps more
> than the parents of kids at either of those schools in taxes and property
> taxes.

> http://schools.chicagotribune.com/school/morgan-park-high-school_chicago says
> 76.4% of students at Morgan Park are low income students.
>
> http://schools.chicagotribune.com/school/simeon-career-academy-high-school_chicago/
> says 92.2% of students at Simeon are low income students.

Great. So we're still paying extra money to have extra cops watch over your
eminently eliminatable brood.

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smr

[Brent]

On 2013-01-18, smr <m...@shawnritchie.com> wrote:

Do you have a problem with that and if so why?

[smr]

Yes, because Nelson and his kids fucking suck. Now go eat a hot shit,
Socrates.

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smr

[Brent]

That doesn't seem to be suficent reason to ignore the social contract.
Your opinion of other people's children is irrelevant to your
obligations to the society.

[smr]

Look at me! I'm Brent! I'm a fucking prick all the time! Look at me! LOOK
AT ME! LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOK ATTTTTTTTTTT MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!

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smr

[Brent]

Can't handle your own hypocrisy I see.

[smr]

No, I simply reject outright your all or nothing argument re: taxes. That I
accept the concept of taxation does not mean I accept all of the details.

Which is an argument any adult would recognize. But, because you're a
pants-shitting child, you don't, so anytime somebody says the word "tax"
you have to start up with your "BUT YOU LIKE TAXES!!! YOU LIKE GOV'T!!!
JUST ACCEPT IT NO COMPLAINING!!!!" nonsense.

You argue like a fucking five year-old, and should be given as much
credence as one.

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smr

[Brent]

How many times have you and others given me shit about paying taxes for
other people children specifically Shawn? On this topic specifically how
many times have I heard in this froup it's the "social contract" and how
folks here want someone educated enough to 'wipe their ass' in the
nursing home? This isn't about taxes in general, it's specifically
about taxes to raise other people's children. So drop the fucking
strawman.

> Which is an argument any adult would recognize. But, because you're a
> pants-shitting child, you don't, so anytime somebody says the word "tax"
> you have to start up with your "BUT YOU LIKE TAXES!!! YOU LIKE GOV'T!!!
> JUST ACCEPT IT NO COMPLAINING!!!!" nonsense.

> You argue like a fucking five year-old, and should be given as much
> credence as one.

You're arguing a strawman, asshole. Now go pay for Nelson's children and
shut the fuck up and like it.

[Brent]

And just post proof:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/chi.general/uTo3j8-yqeY/kjv-_X1czzYJ

"I don't view paying taxes as a bunch of ghetto apes ripping me off to
buy grape dranks; it's a social fucking contract that has, for over 200
years, made America a society worth being part of (preemptive SHUT THE
FUCK UP BLENNIE here)."

[smr]

And I reserve to right to append "except for that fuckhead Nelson's kids
because fuck them".

How are you not getting this?

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smr

[Brent]

I responded to exactly that earlier, before you went off on your
strawman as a response to it. To summarize, the so-called social
contract does not allow you to make exceptions to your obligations.

[smr]

Your summary is wrong, and blow me.

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smr

[Brent]

Full version cut and pasted from above:
-> That doesn't seem to be suficent reason to ignore the social contract.
-> Your opinion of other people's children is irrelevant to your
-> obligations to the society.

[smr]

You keep thinking this thread is about taxes instead of what a fuckin'
asshole Nelson and his kids are. That's the problem right there.

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smr

[Brent]

Comments like that might give people the idea that you believe in a
voluntary society where people pick and choose who they help instead of
being subjected to a coercive "social contract".

[smr]

And again: fuck Nelson, fuck his kids, and fuck you.

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smr

[Brent]

The so-called social contract means those with many kids 'fuck' you.

[spamtrap1888]

On Jan 22, 8:19 am, Brent <tetraethylleadREMOVET...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On 2013-01-22, smr <m...@shawnritchie.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Tue, 22 Jan 2013 01:57:28 +0000 (UTC), Brent wrote:
>
> >> On 2013-01-21, smr <m...@shawnritchie.com> wrote:
> >>> On Mon, 21 Jan 2013 23:15:03 +0000 (UTC), Brent wrote:
>
> >>>> On 2013-01-21, smr <m...@shawnritchie.com> wrote:
> >>>>> On Mon, 21 Jan 2013 22:24:39 +0000 (UTC), Brent wrote:
>
> >>>>>> On 2013-01-21, smr <m...@shawnritchie.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Mon, 21 Jan 2013 18:20:19 +0000 (UTC), Brent wrote:
>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>http://schools.chicagotribune.com/school/simeon-career-academy-high-s...

> >>>>>>>>https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/chi.general/uTo3j8-yqeY/kjv-_X1...

>
> >>>>>>>> "I don't view paying taxes as a bunch of ghetto apes ripping me off to
> >>>>>>>> buy grape dranks; it's a social fucking contract that has, for over 200
> >>>>>>>> years, made America a society worth being part of (preemptive SHUT THE
> >>>>>>>> FUCK UP BLENNIE here)."
>
> >>>>>>> And I reserve to right to append "except for that fuckhead Nelson's kids
> >>>>>>> because fuck them".
>
> >>>>>>> How are you not getting this?
>
> >>>>>> I responded to exactly that earlier, before you went off on your
> >>>>>> strawman as a response to it. To summarize, the so-called social
> >>>>>> contract does not allow you to make exceptions to your obligations.
>
> >>>>> Your summary is wrong, and blow me.
>
> >>>> Full version cut and pasted from above:
> >>>> -> That doesn't seem to be suficent reason to ignore the social contract.
> >>>> -> Your opinion of other people's children is irrelevant to your
> >>>> -> obligations to the society
>
> >>> You keep thinking this thread is about taxes instead of what a fuckin'
> >>> asshole Nelson and his kids are. That's the problem right there.
>
> >> Comments like that might give people the idea that you believe in a
> >> voluntary society where people pick and choose who they help instead of
> >> being subjected to a coercive "social contract".
>
> > And again: fuck Nelson, fuck his kids, and fuck you.
>
> The so-called social contract means those with many kids 'fuck' you.

Nelson's kids will be paying for your Social Security.

[sticks]

I don't get it.

[Brent]

The social security system is a pay-as-you-go pyramid scheme. Those
currently working pay for those that are currently retired. There's no
trust fund. The government spent that money on bombs, vacations for
elected office holders, office remodeling, and so forth. Sure there's
technically a treasury IOU there but to pay that the government has tax
someone. Thus today's children are tomorrow's adults and will pay
FICA taxes for today's adults who are tomorrow's retirees.

[smr]

I have zero expectations for SS still being a thing by the time I hit the
age to where I can collect it (which I anticipate will be, like, 82 or
something when I'm eligible).

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smr

[spamtrap1888]

On Jan 22, 12:21 pm, Brent <tetraethylleadREMOVET...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>http://schools.chicagotribune.com/school/morgan-park-high-school_chic...

Like most pyramid schemes, it requires an increasing number of suckers
every year. Nelson has done more than his share to provide them.

[sticks]

Yooze guys are killin' me.

[RonT]

"spamtrap1888" <spamtr...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:8e76874d-d498-45f4...@pp8g2000pbb.googlegroups.com...

...............................................................................................................................................................................

That's a big assumption that Nelson was responsible for that. Although he's
particulary fond of the Tiger Woods clones.

"Yep, drank an extra glass of chocolate milk that day".

[Ts of Og]

On Jan 17, 10:24 pm, Geoff Gass <g...@tanzenmb.com> wrote:
> Ts of Og <jgrov...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > When the Red line closes this summer the Green line will get all the
> > moolie traffic. I'd avoid the Roosevelt El stop if going to the museum
> > campus then, especially if you're a euro-visitor.
>
> hey genius, the red line stops at roosevelt too.

Expect plenty of stair runners.

[Chicago Paddling-Fishing]

smr <m...@shawnritchie.com> wrote:
>On Fri, 18 Jan 2013 07:26:45 +0000 (UTC), Chicago Paddling-Fishing wrote:

>> Yep, sure was wise to run it as they did, act like cowards by eliminating
>> home field for either side and leave another kid dead.
>>
>> I don't know which team was to be home team but they probably should have had
>> the game where it belonged and used a bigger police presence instead to prevent
>> gatherings outside and use busses to transport students so they'd clear the
>> visiting fans and team immediately rather than hold them inside, insuring that
>> people would be outside longer rather than dispersing.

>Well, why don't you just ring McCarthy right up and tell him that, per you,
>he's doing his job wrong?

Don't know if it was McCarthy or the schools. A friend of mine from CPD said
there were no Chicago Police providing security, that it was Chicago State
Police and security that handled the event. Also said there was a list of
games published and that game wasn't on the list handed out to CPD to work.

CPD responded to 911 calls though.

Now both coaches are suspended for apparently fanning the flames.

Catholic schools have been pushing virtus for years, the idea that coaches are
to lead by example. Surprised it took CPS so long to think of it (although a 4
game suspension seems just a slap on the wrist due to the outcome, not
punishment for an incident that resulted in a death)

>>>Great. So now taxpayers are footing for extra cops to keep your fuckin'
>>>kids safe. Awesome.
>>
>> Actually, the parents of kids in my kids school pay as much, or perhaps more
>> than the parents of kids at either of those schools in taxes and property
>> taxes.

>> http://schools.chicagotribune.com/school/morgan-park-high-school_chicago says
>> 76.4% of students at Morgan Park are low income students.
>>
>> http://schools.chicagotribune.com/school/simeon-career-academy-high-school_chicago/
>> says 92.2% of students at Simeon are low income students.

>Great. So we're still paying extra money to have extra cops watch over your
>eminently eliminatable brood.

Not sure if you own a home or rent, but if you are a renter, then you can
rest easy that I'm paying for police protection all over the city, not you.

Apparently cops appearing at all schools was a one time thing due to the
incident, but don't worry, we are still paying for our own childrens education
plus for the education of everyone who attends CPS... and of course for the
police in the public schools who vainly try to keep the kids whos education
we are paying for from shooting each other...

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[Chicago Paddling-Fishing]

You are quite the violent fellow aren't you, ate least you are when typing.

Course, as you showed when you saw someone getting mugged by the CTA platform
apparently you are a wuss in person...

[Chicago Paddling-Fishing]

It's all you smr, it's all you.

How much are you paying in property taxes eh?

[Chicago Paddling-Fishing]

Actually, the social contract only means you help some peoples kids...
certainly we could have started out with our kids in a poor performing
CPS school but we opted against it.

Applied to a magnet school but got the "Your racial index is greater than 10"
letter (we had to call to ask exactly what that meant and the lady told us
that there were more than 10 white kids already on the waiting list so we
wouldn't be added to it and we'd have to go elsewhere so we did).

Of course they still take our property taxes, even as we got to the point
of having 6 kids in Catholic school at the same time. It wasn't horrible
though as Catholic schools offer multi-children discounts.

It really would be nice if the gov would give tuition vouchers for the amount
paid in education costs to parents not using CPS (or any local public school).
CPS should have to earn the money rather than get it handed to them.

Course at some point I'll be paying taxes and not have kids in school, but at
least by then I won't be paying double (paying my kids tuition and paying into
the school system). It's the double part that is a little painful.

[Chicago Paddling-Fishing]

spamtrap1888 <spamtr...@gmail.com> wrote:

Unfortunately, they'll be paying for lots of people's SS.

[Chicago Paddling-Fishing]

smr <m...@shawnritchie.com> wrote:
>On Tue, 22 Jan 2013 11:30:11 -0800 (PST), spamtrap1888 wrote:

How can you be so anti-government Shawn? With an attitude like that you might
as well move to someplace like Somalia.

[Brent]

On 2013-01-26, Chicago Paddling-Fishing <j...@ripco.com> wrote:

>
> Actually, the social contract only means you help some peoples kids...
> certainly we could have started out with our kids in a poor performing
> CPS school but we opted against it.

Um, the people with the kids making the choice doesn't change anything
for those of us who are forced to pay.

[smr]

You don't have the intellectual firepower to try and conflate these
arguments, dumbass. Consider that maybe I think gov't should do a lot of
things, but SS isn't one of them? Maybe I'm fully supportive of SS but do
not think it's going to work out for me as designed today in the way it's
supposed to when I'm of age to collect due to political realities?

You literally have zero cause to take my statement and frame it as
anti-government. You're a staggering moron, a simpleton, a mental cripple
of the sort that, in a less-enlightened age, would have been left exposed
on the riverside to die.

So, please stop trying to get argumentatively cute with the adults here; it
just makes you look like an even bigger fool than usual.

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smr

[smr]

Why unfortunately? You think the society that allows them to be successful
in the first place shouldn't require them to contribute to it?

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[smr]

Oh good, this story again. Thanks, no one got it the first seventeen times
you posted your whiny bitch-assed bitchings about "ohhh, i have so many
kids and i'm expected to still pay taxes whiiiiiiiiiiiiiiine".

Fuck you.

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smr

[smr]

By what right do you demand to know that information, cunt?

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smr

[smr]

Feel free to meet me in person. That offer has stood for many years now,
pussylips.

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smr

[Chicago Paddling-Fishing]

:g/Brent/s//smr/g

[Chicago Paddling-Fishing]

The government is telling you their debt is ok and you apparently don't
believe them. That is by definition anti-government.

>You literally have zero cause to take my statement and frame it as
>anti-government. You're a staggering moron, a simpleton, a mental cripple
>of the sort that, in a less-enlightened age, would have been left exposed
>on the riverside to die.

I have every cause and did.

>So, please stop trying to get argumentatively cute with the adults here; it
>just makes you look like an even bigger fool than usual.

Sorry, now get packing...

[Chicago Paddling-Fishing]

You do need to work on that reading comprehension don't you Shawn?

The unfortunate problem is the number of workers vs retirees is shifting and
the ratio is going in the wrong direction, hence "lots" from the above comment.

Now, if everyone had lots of kids, valedictorians, salutatorians, class
presidents & vice-presidents & treasurers and more... all go to college (or
on their way) earn degrees and enter the workforce then we'd probably be ok.
Even if each person who expected to collect SS had at least 2 kids earning
the same as they did, I think we'd be ok... but I'm not sure that's happening.

The numbers entering the work force are lower than the numbers that will be
retiring... hence "Unfortunately, they'll be paying for lots of people's SS.".

My oldest is pretty excited as now he's pushing $90k. He's still got a ways to
go to catch up but he's earning triple his age around the same time as I
reached that point so I think he's doing good.

[Chicago Paddling-Fishing]

Your complaint that taxpayers paid for a cop to be at the doors of the gym at
my kids school the night a kid was shot to death at an unrelated school in a
unrelated sports game.

"... Great. So now taxpayers are footing for extra cops to keep your fuckin'
kids safe. Awesome...."

You do remember this, right?

How do we know your not a renter and not paying taxes that support the city?

[Chicago Paddling-Fishing]

Except that we are forced to pay twice... we pay our own kids tuitions and
tuition for the kids who go to CPS. If I gotta pay, I'd rather not pay twice.

[Chicago Paddling-Fishing]

smr <m...@shawnritchie.com> wrote:
>On Thu, 17 Jan 2013 20:07:29 +0000 (UTC), tert in seattle wrote:

>> Brent wrote:
>>> On 2013-01-17, smr <m...@shawnritchie.com> wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 17 Jan 2013 16:59:54 +0000 (UTC), Chicago Paddling-Fishing wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> This part of the article got me the most;
>>>>>
>>>>> "... (Chicago Public Schools) periodically uses the university's athletic
>>>>> facility to provide a neutral setting for student sporting events.
>>>>> This is the first such incident to occur on the campus of Chicago State
>>>>> University where CPS students have played many times over the last three
>>>>> years," the statement said...."
>>>>>
>>>>> They need a neutral location to play sports?
>>>>
>>>> Yes, Pollyanna, when two schools from either side of a gang boundary need
>>>> to play a game, it's wise to not choose either school as the site but go
>>>> neutral location.
>>>>
>>>>> On a side note, 2 of my kids had sports meets last night and my wife said when
>>>>> they were leaving the entrance door was closed and a single police officer was
>>>>> in the entranceway observing people come and go.

>>>>
>>>> Great. So now taxpayers are footing for extra cops to keep your fuckin'
>>>> kids safe. Awesome.
>>>

>>> Move to Somalia then you won't have to pay for other people's children.
>>
>> but you will have to pay for your own children to get them back from the
>> kidnappers

>I'd hate to meet the woman who'd meet Blennie and go "Yep, wanna breed with
>this guy".

Gee, that's what I was thinking when Kenji said you had gotten married. Your
continued childlessness leaves me to believe her parents made her promise
not to curse them with smrish grandchildren which was a good thing...

[Chicago Paddling-Fishing]

smr <m...@shawnritchie.com> wrote:
>On Mon, 21 Jan 2013 18:20:19 +0000 (UTC), Brent wrote:

>> On 2013-01-21, Brent <tetraethylle...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> On 2013-01-21, smr <m...@shawnritchie.com> wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 21 Jan 2013 14:46:10 +0000 (UTC), Brent wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2013-01-19, smr <m...@shawnritchie.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Sat, 19 Jan 2013 01:22:21 +0000 (UTC), Brent wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2013-01-18, smr <m...@shawnritchie.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Fri, 18 Jan 2013 19:58:27 +0000 (UTC), Brent wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 2013-01-18, smr <m...@shawnritchie.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 18 Jan 2013 07:26:45 +0000 (UTC), Chicago Paddling-Fishing wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yep, sure was wise to run it as they did, act like cowards by eliminating
>>>>>>>>>>> home field for either side and leave another kid dead.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I don't know which team was to be home team but they probably should have had
>>>>>>>>>>> the game where it belonged and used a bigger police presence instead to prevent
>>>>>>>>>>> gatherings outside and use busses to transport students so they'd clear the
>>>>>>>>>>> visiting fans and team immediately rather than hold them inside, insuring that
>>>>>>>>>>> people would be outside longer rather than dispersing.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Well, why don't you just ring McCarthy right up and tell him that, per you,
>>>>>>>>>> he's doing his job wrong?
>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>Great. So now taxpayers are footing for extra cops to keep your fuckin'
>>>>>>>>>>>>kids safe. Awesome.
>>>>>>>>>>>

Because you don't get that choice. I don't get the choice to just pay tuition
for my kids, I have to pay for mine and others.

If I was confident you actually owned property and paid taxes, I might look
for some tax payer funded program to put my kids in just for snicks... but
I suspect you don't so its not worth it...

[Brent]

On 2013-01-27, Chicago Paddling-Fishing <j...@ripco.com> wrote:
> Brent <tetraethylle...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>On 2013-01-26, Chicago Paddling-Fishing <j...@ripco.com> wrote:
>
>>>
>>> Actually, the social contract only means you help some peoples kids...
>>> certainly we could have started out with our kids in a poor performing
>>> CPS school but we opted against it.
>
>>Um, the people with the kids making the choice doesn't change anything
>>for those of us who are forced to pay.
>
> Except that we are forced to pay twice... we pay our own kids tuitions and
> tuition for the kids who go to CPS. If I gotta pay, I'd rather not pay twice.

Except you can pay only once, just use the government schools. By making
people pay twice government reduces the market share of private schools
and I doubt that isn't by intent.

Furthermore, those without kids shouldn't have to pay at all.

[smr]

God, your insults are as weak as your intellect.

I just feel sorry for your wife that her parents obviously made her promise
to let you turn her vagina into an inside-out pillowcase full of shredded
ham so that they could indulge their narcisstic need to have descendents.

--
smr

[smr]

On Sun, 27 Jan 2013 01:29:07 +0000 (UTC), Chicago Paddling-Fishing wrote:

> The government is telling you their debt is ok and you apparently don't
> believe them. That is by definition anti-government.

Wrong.

> I have every cause and did.

Wrong again.

>>So, please stop trying to get argumentatively cute with the adults here; it
>>just makes you look like an even bigger fool than usual.
>
> Sorry, now get packing...

Make me, you gigantic pussy.

--
smr

[smr]

On Sun, 27 Jan 2013 04:47:15 +0000 (UTC), Chicago Paddling-Fishing wrote:

> You do need to work on that reading comprehension don't you Shawn?

No, but you sure could use some help in the "expressing one's self clearly"
department.

> Now, if everyone had lots of kids, valedictorians, salutatorians, class
> presidents & vice-presidents & treasurers and more... all go to college (or
> on their way) earn degrees and enter the workforce then we'd probably be ok.
> Even if each person who expected to collect SS had at least 2 kids earning
> the same as they did, I think we'd be ok... but I'm not sure that's happening.

Man, when they arrest one or more of yours for sucking dick for crack in a
highway rest stop bathroom, it's gonna be goddamned hilarious.

> The numbers entering the work force are lower than the numbers that will be
> retiring... hence "Unfortunately, they'll be paying for lots of people's SS.".

And hence why I don't believe it'll be around for me and my retirement
planning doesn't count on it. Which was the original point. Dumbass.

> My oldest is pretty excited as now he's pushing $90k. He's still got a ways to
> go to catch up but he's earning triple his age around the same time as I
> reached that point so I think he's doing good.

You are just fucking pathetic. Absolutely pathetic. Do people in your neck
of the woods really talk about how much they make with each other like
this? Low-class, gauche as hell, and just sad. You're barely-sentient
garbage, you tic-tac dick-havin' motherfucker.

--
smr

[smr]

So your fuckhead son who's renting a house isn't supporting his
municipality? What a cunt. Like daddy, like son.

--
smr

[smr]

The guy crying for attention is the guy bragging about his and his son's
fuckin' salaries like some low-rent hillrod back of the yards city trash.

--
smr

[Chicago Paddling-Fishing]

RonT <n...@home.com> wrote:

>"spamtrap1888" <spamtr...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:8e76874d-d498-45f4...@pp8g2000pbb.googlegroups.com...
>On Jan 22, 12:21 pm, Brent <tetraethylleadREMOVET...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On 2013-01-22, sticks <wolverin...@charter.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On 1/22/2013 1:30 PM, spamtrap1888 wrote:

>> >> On Jan 22, 8:19 am, Brent <tetraethylleadREMOVET...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >>> On 2013-01-22, smr <m...@shawnritchie.com> wrote:
>>

>> >>>> On Tue, 22 Jan 2013 01:57:28 +0000 (UTC), Brent wrote:
>>
>> >>>>> On 2013-01-21, smr <m...@shawnritchie.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>> On Mon, 21 Jan 2013 23:15:03 +0000 (UTC), Brent wrote:
>>
>> >>>>>>> On 2013-01-21, smr <m...@shawnritchie.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, 21 Jan 2013 22:24:39 +0000 (UTC), Brent wrote:
>>
>> >>>>>>>>> On 2013-01-21, smr <m...@shawnritchie.com> wrote:

>> >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 21 Jan 2013 18:20:19 +0000 (UTC), Brent wrote:
>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 2013-01-21, Brent <tetraethylleadREMOVET...@yahoo.com>

>> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 2013-01-21, smr <m...@shawnritchie.com> wrote:

>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 21 Jan 2013 14:46:10 +0000 (UTC), Brent wrote:

>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>http://schools.chicagotribune.com/school/morgan-park-high-school_chic...

>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 76.4% of students at Morgan Park are low income
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> students.
>>

>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>http://schools.chicagotribune.com/school/simeon-career-academy-high-s...

>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> says 92.2% of students at Simeon are low income
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> students.
>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Great. So we're still paying extra money to have extra
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cops watch over your
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eminently eliminatable brood.
>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you have a problem with that and if so why?
>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, because Nelson and his kids fucking suck. Now go
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eat a hot shit,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Socrates.
>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That doesn't seem to be suficent reason to ignore the
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> social contract.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your opinion of other people's children is irrelevant to
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> obligations to the society.
>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Look at me! I'm Brent! I'm a fucking prick all the time!
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Look at me! LOOK
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AT ME! LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOK ATTTTTTTTTTT
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!
>>

>> >>>>>>>>>>>https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/chi.general/uTo3j8-yqeY/kjv-_X1...

>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> "I don't view paying taxes as a bunch of ghetto apes ripping
>> >>>>>>>>>>> me off to
>> >>>>>>>>>>> buy grape dranks; it's a social fucking contract that has, for
>> >>>>>>>>>>> over 200
>> >>>>>>>>>>> years, made America a society worth being part of (preemptive
>> >>>>>>>>>>> SHUT THE
>> >>>>>>>>>>> FUCK UP BLENNIE here)."
>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> And I reserve to right to append "except for that fuckhead
>> >>>>>>>>>> Nelson's kids
>> >>>>>>>>>> because fuck them".
>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> How are you not getting this?
>>
>> >>>>>>>>> I responded to exactly that earlier, before you went off on your
>> >>>>>>>>> strawman as a response to it. To summarize, the so-called social
>> >>>>>>>>> contract does not allow you to make exceptions to your
>> >>>>>>>>> obligations.
>>
>> >>>>>>>> Your summary is wrong, and blow me.
>>
>> >>>>>>> Full version cut and pasted from above:

>> >>>>>>> -> That doesn't seem to be suficent reason to ignore the social
>> >>>>>>> contract.

>> >>>>>>> -> Your opinion of other people's children is irrelevant to your
>> >>>>>>> -> obligations to the society
>>
>> >>>>>> You keep thinking this thread is about taxes instead of what a
>> >>>>>> fuckin'
>> >>>>>> asshole Nelson and his kids are. That's the problem right there.
>>

>> >>>>> Comments like that might give people the idea that you believe in a
>> >>>>> voluntary society where people pick and choose who they help instead
>> >>>>> of
>> >>>>> being subjected to a coercive "social contract".
>>
>> >>>> And again: fuck Nelson, fuck his kids, and fuck you.
>>
>> >>> The so-called social contract means those with many kids 'fuck' you.
>>
>> >> Nelson's kids will be paying for your Social Security.
>>

>> > I don't get it.
>>
>> The social security system is a pay-as-you-go pyramid scheme. Those
>> currently working pay for those that are currently retired. There's no
>> trust fund. The government spent that money on bombs, vacations for
>> elected office holders, office remodeling, and so forth. Sure there's
>> technically a treasury IOU there but to pay that the government has tax
>> someone. Thus today's children are tomorrow's adults and will pay
>> FICA taxes for today's adults who are tomorrow's retirees.

>Like most pyramid schemes, it requires an increasing number of suckers
>every year. Nelson has done more than his share to provide them.



>...............................................................................................................................................................................

>That's a big assumption that Nelson was responsible for that. Although he's
>particulary fond of the Tiger Woods clones.

>"Yep, drank an extra glass of chocolate milk that day".

I think your getting delirious Ronny... Might be time for another testosterone
booster, then you can feel like a man again for a few hours.

In the mean time, don't let your old age and forgetfulness interpose what you
dream about with what others actually do.

[Chicago Paddling-Fishing]

So what your really saying is they are no better or worse than yours.

>I just feel sorry for your wife that her parents obviously made her promise
>to let you turn her vagina into an inside-out pillowcase full of shredded
>ham so that they could indulge their narcisstic need to have descendents.

My wife does as she pleases, however it appears your wife, while perhaps
suffering a momentary loss of sanity has kept a close grip on things since.

[sticks]

On 1/27/2013 4:39 PM, Chicago Paddling-Fishing wrote:

> My wife does as she pleases

If you only knew <wink, wink>

[Chicago Paddling-Fishing]

Well, we all could use it.

Technically, you COULD adopt a child and use CPS so you COULD use CPS too.

I COULD just pay once and use CPS, but we've chosen private.

Hence I pay tuition twice, while you only paying it once.

Or, you could just say we are both paying for something we don't use.

>Furthermore, those without kids shouldn't have to pay at all.

Well, I do believe an educated populace is for our own good, but I think you
should be able to direct your school taxes to the school of your choice.

I believe they say the time between when school gets out and parents get home
from work is the highest crime period of the day, so having kids in school
does benefit us all.

If you graduated from a local school you liked, you should be able to elect
to send them the education portion of your property tax to that school as a
'thank you' for the education you had. We make alumni donations every year
to schools and universities my wife and I attended, let everyone direct
education taxes the same way.

[Chicago Paddling-Fishing]

I guess I need to tell it again since I'm not complaining that

"... ohhh, I have so many kids and I'm expected to still pay taxes..."

but I'm complaining that I can't direct my education taxes to the school
of my choice rather hence my repeated reference to double paying.

While perhaps you can't comprehend it, there is a difference. I do believe we
need a education system system and when I no longer have children in school I'd
expect to go to the default allocation which would probably be CPS, just don't
make me pay tuition twice...

>Fuck you.

Et tu.

[Chicago Paddling-Fishing]

He doesn't have any kids, therefore taxpayers aren't paying for them (again
going back to the start of this which is);

>> "... Great. So now taxpayers are footing for extra cops to keep your fuckin'
>> kids safe. Awesome...."

.

He also doesn't live in a bankrupt state, but rather a state thats on the
other end of the spectrum.

[Chicago Paddling-Fishing]

Sorry Shawn, the guy crying for attention is you.

[smr]

I'm not the one sadly posting my fuckin' progeny's salary figures (which
I'm sure he appreciates you doing) in a pathetic attempt to get someone to
acknowledge, erroneously, that maybe you're not an abysmally-failing piece
of utter trash.

--
smr

[smr]

Yes, I'm sure she does. "Here's 17 kids, honey, but you do what you want
while I indulge myself with ancient patriarchy roles".

I'm sure her free time has been just been excessive since she met your
hyper-spermy ass.

--
smr

[smr]

On Mon, 28 Jan 2013 09:21:04 +0000 (UTC), Chicago Paddling-Fishing wrote:

> I guess I need to tell it again since I'm not complaining that
>
> "... ohhh, I have so many kids and I'm expected to still pay taxes..."
>
> but I'm complaining that I can't direct my education taxes to the school
> of my choice rather hence my repeated reference to double paying.

> While perhaps you can't comprehend it, there is a difference. I do believe we
> need a education system system and when I no longer have children in school I'd
> expect to go to the default allocation which would probably be CPS, just don't
> make me pay tuition twice...

Are you really unable to comprehend why this would be a colossally bad idea
and how it would result in the opposite of your claimed preference for an
educated populace?

--
smr

[Chicago Paddling-Fishing]

Well, I think we both agree that if people could direct their educational
property tax $'s to the school or school system of their choice, certain
schools would starve from lack of revneue.

The big question I guess would be is that a bad thing?

Close the bad schools and expand the good ones. I'm not certain we are doing
kids any favors by forcing them to attend their local neighborhood school
where the chance of learning useful skills is slim.

[smr]

On Tue, 12 Feb 2013 06:45:35 +0000 (UTC), Chicago Paddling-Fishing wrote:

> smr <m...@shawnritchie.com> wrote:
>>On Mon, 28 Jan 2013 09:21:04 +0000 (UTC), Chicago Paddling-Fishing wrote:
>
>>> I guess I need to tell it again since I'm not complaining that
>>>
>>> "... ohhh, I have so many kids and I'm expected to still pay taxes..."
>>>
>>> but I'm complaining that I can't direct my education taxes to the school
>>> of my choice rather hence my repeated reference to double paying.
>>
>>> While perhaps you can't comprehend it, there is a difference. I do believe we
>>> need a education system system and when I no longer have children in school I'd
>>> expect to go to the default allocation which would probably be CPS, just don't
>>> make me pay tuition twice...
>
>>Are you really unable to comprehend why this would be a colossally bad idea
>>and how it would result in the opposite of your claimed preference for an
>>educated populace?
>
> Well, I think we both agree that if people could direct their educational
> property tax $'s to the school or school system of their choice, certain
> schools would starve from lack of revneue.
>
> The big question I guess would be is that a bad thing?
>
> Close the bad schools and expand the good ones. I'm not certain we are doing
> kids any favors by forcing them to attend their local neighborhood school
> where the chance of learning useful skills is slim.

Okay, I'll just put you down in the "Well, seriously, they're niggers so
they'll never learn, fuck 'em" column. Real Christian of you.

--
smr

[Chicago Paddling-Fishing]

You have serious reading and comprehension issues don't you Shawn. 'Close the
bad schools and expand the good ones.' Who do you think will fill those new
seats in the expanded schools?

Are you a moron in real life or do you just play one on the internet?

The race of the children is not important, the important part is they are in
failing schools which will propagate a life of poverty.

I didn't realize you were a racist Shawn, you don't think everyone deserves
a chance?

Do you really think the city is doing them a favor forcing them to attend a
failing school when they'd probably be far better off at a private or charter
school which is determined to actually educate them rather than one that has
to take them?

[smr]

On Tue, 12 Feb 2013 15:27:42 +0000 (UTC), Chicago Paddling-Fishing wrote:

> You have serious reading and comprehension issues don't you Shawn. 'Close the
> bad schools and expand the good ones.' Who do you think will fill those new
> seats in the expanded schools?
> Are you a moron in real life or do you just play one on the internet?
>
> The race of the children is not important, the important part is they are in
> failing schools which will propagate a life of poverty.
>
> I didn't realize you were a racist Shawn, you don't think everyone deserves
> a chance?

Yes, because those same mothers who can't get their kids to the school on
the corner of their block on time and well-fed and well-rested and with
homework done and all are going to do SO MUCH better when it comes time to
bus their kids to the good school across town an hour earlier now.

And those ill-fed, ill-prepared, unrested, poorly-parented children are
going to fare EVEN BETTER now that they're competing with Lily Caucasian
from Ravenswood in a school in Lily's neighborhood that Lily walks to in 3
minutes instead of being bussed to for over an hour.

You're a fucking child when it comes to the economic and social realities
of why schools fail. You just want to not send your precious filthy lucre
to schools in black neighborhoods.

> Do you really think the city is doing them a favor forcing them to attend a
> failing school when they'd probably be far better off at a private or charter
> school which is determined to actually educate them rather than one that has
> to take them?

Ahhh yes, Charter Schools. Sure. We have X amount of money to spend on
schools. Instead of spending it in the public school system, let's spend it
on charter schools, where the equation is now X - Y, where Y = the profit
that the corporations who run the charter enterprises expect to earn.

Yes. This'll work great. Let's introduce the Profit Motive into Yet Another
Critical Piece of the Social Fabric That Really Shouldn't Be Treated Like a
Business But Rather As A, Say, Critical Piece of the Social Fabric.

You're so goddamned simplistic it fucking hurts sometimes.

--
smr

[Cydrome Leader]

It's not like the schools are haunted. it's the people that attend them
that suck. You might as well bus some of them off cliffs, indian style.

[Chicago Paddling-Fishing]

I notice (as always) you latch onto a single word and try to beat it to death
in your simpleton stick...

"... Out of 168 Catholic schools in Chicago, 114 are classified as Big
Shoulders schools-schools that mostly serve low-income minority students.
More than 50 percent of the students in Big Shoulders schools are products
of poor families and 80 percent are from minority groups. The dropout rate
in Big Shoulders schools is less than 1 percent, and 97 percent of Big
Shoulders students graduate from high school. This past year, 81 percent
of high school graduates from Big Shoulders schools went on to college
(Archdiocese of Chicago, 2000b). For Chicago's public schools, the annual
high school dropout rate is about 15 percent and the high school
graduation rate is about 62 percent (Sander, 2001b). The evidence thus
suggests that African Americans and Hispanics from poor backgrounds do
better in Catholic schools in big cities like Chicago than in public
schools. A recent study on Catholic schooling in Los Angeles also comes
to the conclusion that Catholic schools are more effective at educating
minority students (Dawson and Helland, 2001). ..."
http://ncspe.org/publications_files/727_OP32.pdf

Now, I know you always go for the kneejerk reaction but try to actually think
for just a moment.

97% of kids in 'Big Shoulder' Catholic schools graduate from High School.
62% graduate from CPS.

Of course the report goes on;
"... My results suggest that white students in Catholic schools have higher
levels of achievement mostly because of selection. White students are
products of families with relatively high levels of education and income.
Further, white students in Catholic schools are products of more religious
Catholic families. Parents' religiosity is associated with higher levels
of children's achievement and is usually an omitted variable in many
related studies. ..."
http://ncspe.org/publications_files/727_OP32.pdf

When the government takes control away, people step back and think the
government is going to do it all. The government needs to return educational
control back to parents, let them chose where their children will attend
without fear of financial ruin. My years of paying high tuition bills are
winding down, but that doesn't mean it wouldn't be a good thing to help
other families all over the city. This business of government knows best
isn't working in the case of education.

When co-workers ask if I want to join the lotto pool I ask if they want me to
save them the cost of gas and just flush the money down the toilet for them.

At some point, we need to stop flushing cash down the CPS toilet and let kids
have a choice where they go.

[Chicago Paddling-Fishing]

I realize you probably only play a moron on usenet, but it has a lot less to
do with the students than you might think....

"... Notably, the study found that the performance of Catholic schools with
high concentrations of poor black and Hispanic students surpasses that
of public schools with student populations that are less poor and more
white or Asian, despite larger teacher-to-student ratios and lower per
pupil spending in Catholic schools. ..."

"... 'The performance of poor and minority youngsters in the Catholic schools
once again demonstrates the educability of these students,' wrote Raymond
Domanico, the author of the report. ..."

"... At least 30,000 city students attend Catholic schools in neighborhoods
that are almost entirely non-white and poor. In the eighth grade, the
percentage of these students who pass the state tests is about twice that
of neighboring public schools. Mr. Domanico concludes that some public
school students currently trapped in failing public schools would benefit
from a publicly subsidized transfer to local Catholic schools. ... "
http://www.nyu.edu/about/news-publications/news/2001/03/21/catholic_schools_outperform.html

While you and smr may have no problem 'throwing these people off a cliff' by
forcing them to stay in the public school system, I think its terrible that
you are so willing to decimate the lives of others.

[smr]

That's an awful lot of words about Catholic schools responding to a
position taken regarding charter schools, you nitwit.

That said, OF COURSE the private and charter schools get better results
(well, private schools... every report I've ever seen about the national
performance of charters vs. publics shows them running at about the same
achievement rate) for the simple reason that: Catholic schools get to tell
undesirable students to piss off.

And, DUH, really, white kids from rich white families do best? People
benefit from generation after generation of compounded privilege when
compared to generation after generation of compounded oppression and
failure?

Shocking, Jon. Any other brilliant insights?

--
smr

[smr]

On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 10:03:45 +0000 (UTC), Chicago Paddling-Fishing wrote:

> While you and smr may have no problem 'throwing these people off a cliff' by
> forcing them to stay in the public school system, I think its terrible that
> you are so willing to decimate the lives of others.

I'm not having my tax money diverted to your favored religious institution
for ANY reason. Fuck that, full stop.

--
smr

[Adam H. Kerman]

smr <m...@shawnritchie.com> wrote:
>On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 09:49:16 +0000 (UTC), Chicago Paddling-Fishing wrote:

>>I notice (as always) you latch onto a single word and try to beat it to death
>>in your simpleton stick...

>That's an awful lot of words about Catholic schools responding to a
>position taken regarding charter schools, you nitwit.

>That said, OF COURSE the private and charter schools get better results
>(well, private schools... every report I've ever seen about the national
>performance of charters vs. publics shows them running at about the same
>achievement rate) for the simple reason that: Catholic schools get to tell
>undesirable students to piss off.

>And, DUH, really, white kids from rich white families do best? People
>benefit from generation after generation of compounded privilege when
>compared to generation after generation of compounded oppression and
>failure?

>Shocking, Jon. Any other brilliant insights?

Not to intrude on your exchange of flames with paddlefuck, but generation
after generation of compounded privilege? The American middle class generally
doesn't work like that. Of my ancestors, my mother's parents were immigrants,
would have starved or been killed in some stupid war if they hadn't left
Europe when they did, but here, they were working class. I grew up with a
father who made a decent living and definitely made a more comfortable
childhood for us than my mother had. His father owned a number of small
businesses. He grew up middle class.

I don't think my childhood would have been any different if my mother's
father raked in a middle class or upper middle class income.

Do white kids do better than black kids if income and lifestyle of the
two sets of parents is comparable? I should hope they do about the same.

As far as whether the parents are religious determines school outcomes for
children, do Catholic schools do a shitty job of educating the Protestant,
black children who attend and wouldn't take religious classes? That would
appear to follow.

[Adam H. Kerman]

What planet do you live on?

Donations to religious schools and scholarship funds (the school doesn't
necessarily have to be nonprofit or religious) are tax deductible charitable
contributions. There are tuition deductions on income taxes for the
benefit of parochial schools (but can also be used at secular schools, but
we know who lobbied hardest for them). Religious schools are exempt from
income taxes. Religious schools are exempt from property taxes and sales
taxes and a whole lot of other taxes. For decades, city of Chicago forgot
to send water bills to churches and religious schools.

There's already monies being diverted, but we don't yet have a universal
tuition voucher program.

[smr]

I should've said "any MORE of...".

--
smr

[smr]

Now imagine you were black instead of white and revise how your history
would've worked out.

--
smr

[Adam H. Kerman]

I wouldn't be Jewish and and I wouldn't have had immigrant grandparents.
Obama, a bit older than me, did pretty well for himself with a father who
never immigrated and didn't raise him.

This is classless America. Adversities suffered by prior generations
aren't supposed to hold back the present generation. In any event, you
didn't argue for your own position.

[MacOwner]

In article <kg06gq$rn9$2...@news.albasani.net>,

does aiden know about wordpress?

[MacOwner]

In article <kg128o$u4p$1...@news.albasani.net>,

"Adam H. Kerman" <a...@chinet.com> wrote:

> Obama, a bit older than me,

wtf?

[Cydrome Leader]

barbie gee <boo...@nosespam.com> wrote:

> If I'm not mistaken, middle-class anyrace will always outperform
> lower-class anyrace.
> I don't believe it's that private or religious schools can pick their
> students as much as it is that they can impose standards that the kids
> MUST meet, or they can be rejected/expelled. The public schools are
> unable to enforce rules and standards, and are unable, short of
> suspension, to enforce many behavioral or educational requirements on
> their student body.
>
> I know my own local parochial school isn't very white, as it was up to the
> 70's, and yet it performs very nicely. It's a class issue and a parental
> involvement issue, not a race issue.

the truth is, some races are just overall far less classy than others.

It's always interesting to see people doing stupid things where I think to
myself, "keeping the stereotypes alive, eh?" or "whatever, they'll be dead
by 18".

[max]

A couple years ago, I heard Jean Claude Brissard (sp) floating the
idea of CPS getting into boarding schools for at risk kids.
All the Big Bro and FUD aside, it sounded like a possibly good idea,
offering a chance at breaking the cycle of fail.

[Chicago Paddling-Fishing]

smr <m...@shawnritchie.com> wrote:
>On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 09:49:16 +0000 (UTC), Chicago Paddling-Fishing wrote:

Nice dishonest attempt to remove the context so you can imply charter was
all that was mentioned rather than private schools too.

Yes, I saw your dishonest attempt to remove the context at the start.
Maybe you weren't able to comprehend the part where I said private AND charter
and where you chose to simply beat on charter with your simpleton stick?

>That said, OF COURSE the private and charter schools get better results
>(well, private schools... every report I've ever seen about the national
>performance of charters vs. publics shows them running at about the same
>achievement rate) for the simple reason that: Catholic schools get to tell
>undesirable students to piss off.

Except they don't, ediot... The text from below is a study on Dutch Schools.
What makes them interesting is the government pays for all education equally,
Catholic, Protestent, or Public, and kids can attend the school of their
choice at no cost... Catholic schools still come out on top;

"... These results suggest that the uncontrolled Catholic school effects may
be biased by negative rather than positive selection and therefore
selectivity cannot explain the Catholic school hypothesis, but rather
reinforce this phenomenon. ..."
http://ncspe.org/publications_files/OP93.pdf

Of course, there is much data comparing CPS to the non-profit charters in the
area;

"... Instead of looking at aggregate performance (for example, graduation
rates or test scores for all charter students), he compared test scores
of the lowest income charter students with the lowest income traditional
public school students. ..."

"... Greene found charter school students outperform traditional public school
students on reading and math in both the fourth and eighth grade (a
common benchmark): ..."

http://www.chicagonow.com/chicago-libertarian/2012/09/comparing-apples-to-apples-in-chicagos-charter-schools/

Certainly if you look at his data, it's a small improvement, but its still
saying something other than put them in a bus and drive them off a cliff which
your buddy is suggesting.

>And, DUH, really, white kids from rich white families do best? People
>benefit from generation after generation of compounded privilege when
>compared to generation after generation of compounded oppression and
>failure?

"... Notably, the study found that the performance of Catholic schools with
high concentrations of poor black and Hispanic students surpasses that
of public schools with student populations that are less poor and more
white or Asian, despite larger teacher-to-student ratios and lower per
pupil spending in Catholic schools. ..."

http://www.nyu.edu/about/news-publications/news/2001/03/21/catholic_schools_outperform.html

Certainly my kids benefited from having a full time mom at home to read and
play with them all day when they were little. Our basement looked like a
kindergarden class with an alphabet train going across the wall just like the
one at school when they were little.

[Chicago Paddling-Fishing]

It's cute how you the apartment dweller, who is probably paying 30% the
taxes the rest of us pay, thinks your tax dollars make much of a difference
in the big picture. You and CL together probably pay enough for a squad car
to get a tuneup each year.

You don't even realize the people who support your educational system are
the people avoiding it.

That's why they can't afford vouchers, everyone would flee.

[smr]

On Wed, 20 Feb 2013 10:18:33 +0000 (UTC), Chicago Paddling-Fishing wrote:

> smr <m...@shawnritchie.com> wrote:
>>On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 10:03:45 +0000 (UTC), Chicago Paddling-Fishing wrote:
>
>>> While you and smr may have no problem 'throwing these people off a cliff' by
>>> forcing them to stay in the public school system, I think its terrible that
>>> you are so willing to decimate the lives of others.
>
>>I'm not having my tax money diverted to your favored religious institution
>>for ANY reason. Fuck that, full stop.
>
> It's cute how you the apartment dweller

Cite?

> who is probably paying 30% the
> taxes the rest of us pay

Cite?

> thinks your tax dollars make much of a difference
> in the big picture. You and CL together probably pay enough for a squad car
> to get a tuneup each year.

Cite?

> You don't even realize the people who support your educational system are
> the people avoiding it.

Cite?

> That's why they can't afford vouchers, everyone would flee.

Cite?

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smr

[smr]

dear god can you get through one fucking post without patting yourself on
the back for having forced your wife into some leave it to beaverian hell
of a life? yay, your basement was a kindergarten, who gives a fuck, jon.

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smr

[smr]

You're a fucking fool if you believe this. We have less social mobility
than Europe these days.

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smr