goddamned racoons.

[max]

Is that a feeding station or a trap on my deck?

A feeding station, apparently. Max's Sardine Bar.

grrrrrrrr....

[Adam H. Kerman]

Why trap them? Isn't it better not to feed them to begin with?

When I was a kid, racoons would get into the garbage cans. We closed them
with rubber bands, which solved the problem.

[Geoff Gass]

Kristian M Zoerhoff <k...@lavabit.com> wrote:
> On 2013-05-15, barbie gee <boo...@nosespam.com> wrote:

>> Remind me to bring my Havahart trap out this weekend. Clearly, yers is
>> sticky or something. I'll bring some cat food, too.
>
> Why, so .max can make the racoon some farmer's problem? .22, close range.

or get some of that poison that takes a little time so they die in their
hole

[max]

In article <slrn3vfskp7...@faeroes.freeshell.org>,

Kristian M Zoerhoff <k...@lavabit.com> wrote:

> On 2013-05-15, barbie gee <boo...@nosespam.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 15 May 2013, max wrote:
> >

> > Remind me to bring my Havahart trap out this weekend. Clearly, yers is
> > sticky or something. I'll bring some cat food, too.
>
> Why, so .max can make the racoon some farmer's problem? .22, close range.

'yote gauntlet. If they survive teh pack, they can live.

[sticks]

jest give it to anderson. he's probably got a room for them.

[Cydrome Leader]

barbie gee <boo...@nosespam.com> wrote:

> you don't get out to the Fox Valley much, do you?
>
> out there, in the country, by the river, there's not much you can do about
> them. The trash only goes out one day a week. The problem is they've
> taken up residence under his deck, again, even after he sealed it up w/
> wire and boards and stuff. he wants them OUT and away, so he can seal the
> hole up again, without trapping any under the deck.

seal it up with them in there.

you get rid of the ones causing problems, and keep more out.

[max]

In article <slrn3vfskp8...@faeroes.freeshell.org>,

Kristian M Zoerhoff <k...@lavabit.com> wrote:

> I wholeheartedly endorse this idea for pretty much anything. Promotions at
> work, speed dating, etc.

Got little fukker #1 last night. I tied the sardine can to the inside
of the cage. I had to relocate the cage at 0200 because all the
rattling and noise woke me up. it seemed angry with me. when i moved it.

[Cydrome Leader]

> but then there's the stink of racoon carcasses...

or seal it up, shoot them and discard.

you need to get rid of the vermin, not keep them around like anderson
does.

[Cydrome Leader]

I hope you moved the cage to the bottom of a river.

[RonT]

No shit.

Little virus carrying, rabies infested, garbage can rats.

[Eric]

barbie gee <boo...@nosespam.com> wrote in
news:alpine.DEB.2.02.1...@sghcrg.sghcrg.pbz:

> you don't get out to the Fox Valley much, do you?
>
> out there, in the country, by the river, there's not much you can do
> about them. The trash only goes out one day a week. The problem is
> they've taken up residence under his deck, again, even after he sealed
> it up w/ wire and boards and stuff. he wants them OUT and away, so he
> can seal the hole up again, without trapping any under the deck.

Have you tried moth balls?

--
Coming to you from the beautiful Chicago suburbs

[sticks]

On 5/16/2013 8:20 AM, barbie gee wrote:

> angry! hah!
> I hope you had some old tarp or sheet to throw over the cage before you
> put him in the relocation vehicle. Gloves, and some plastic on the
> carpet, too.


It is against the law to relocate them. I thought we've been over this.

[spamtrap1888]

On May 16, 2:55 pm, sticks <wolverin...@charter.net> wrote:
> On 5/16/2013 8:20 AM, barbie gee wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Thu, 16 May 2013, max wrote:
>

> >> In article <slrn3vfskp8d71.96p....@faeroes.freeshell.org>,

> >> Kristian M Zoerhoff <k...@lavabit.com> wrote:
>

> >>> On 2013-05-15, max <betat...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> In article <slrn3vfskp75ck.1ug....@faeroes.freeshell.org>,

> >>>>  Kristian M Zoerhoff <k...@lavabit.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>> On 2013-05-15, barbie gee <boo...@nosespam.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>>> On Wed, 15 May 2013, max wrote:
>
> >>>>>>> Is that a feeding station or a trap on my deck?
>
> >>>>>>> A feeding station, apparently.  Max's Sardine Bar.
>
> >>>>>>> grrrrrrrr....
>
> >>>>>> Remind me to bring my Havahart trap out this weekend.  Clearly,
> >>>>>> yers is
> >>>>>> sticky or something.  I'll bring some cat food, too.
>
> >>>>> Why, so .max can make the racoon some farmer's problem? .22, close
> >>>>> range.
>
> >>>> 'yote gauntlet.  If they survive teh pack, they can live.
>
> >>> I wholeheartedly endorse this idea for pretty much anything.
> >>> Promotions at
> >>> work, speed dating, etc.
>
> >> Got little fukker #1 last night.   I tied the sardine can  to the inside
> >> of the cage.  I had to relocate the cage at 0200 because all the
> >> rattling and noise woke me up. it seemed angry with me. when i moved it.
>
> > angry!  hah!
> > I hope you had some old tarp or sheet to throw over the cage before you
> > put him in the relocation vehicle.  Gloves, and some plastic on the
> > carpet, too.
>
> It is against the law to relocate them.  I thought we've been over this.

You need a permit and a place to release it.

I would wait for raccoon season and turn it into a cap.

[max]

In article <alpine.DEB.2.02.1...@sghcrg.sghcrg.pbz>,

barbie gee <boo...@nosespam.com> wrote:

> On Thu, 16 May 2013, max wrote:
>

> angry! hah!
> I hope you had some old tarp or sheet to throw over the cage before you
> put him in the relocation vehicle. Gloves, and some plastic on the
> carpet, too.

do i LOOK studpi??

[sticks]

this is true. He can legally set the trap up.

> and a place to release it.

This is 99% false. He cannot legally move it unless he is licensed. It
can only be released within 100 yards of the catch location, which is
useless. Otherwise, it has to be euthanized, or given to a licensed
vet. Also, not supposed to be kept in trap longer than 24 hours.

> I would wait for raccoon season and turn it into a cap.

I doubt he could shoot it on his property in the city limits. Will
anybody care if he does all the things himself? You never know who
thinks they need to turn you in.

[max]

In article <kn3qd4$27t$1...@dont-email.me>,

So i can just shove it through the vet's mail slot? Awesome!

[max]

In article <kn3qd4$27t$1...@dont-email.me>,
sticks <wolve...@charter.net> wrote:

Any idea how much would a licensed raccoon vacation specialist charge?

[sticks]

no. I was looking into what it would take to get the license last year.
Not as bad as I thought, just a little bit of work if I recall. Your
problem now, is you probably got some youngens under there too.

I once thought I was solving a friends problem trapping one that was in
a tree outside their house. Dogs kept going nuts after I caught it.
Figured there must be babies and the owner made me get a ladder up a big
oak tree and I brought down half a dozen flea infested starving brats.
Cleaned them up and they took them somewhere. Can't remember where, but
it was in your area somewhere.

[max]

In article <kn3v2s$lri$1...@dont-email.me>,

FOUND 'EM!!! :-)

The one i caught was a juvie. I don't think it's a mommie There's a
big fat fucker that probably won't fit in my trap.

I just want them gone so I can patch my fencing.

Maybe I'll sell them on craig's list.

[sticks]

On 5/16/2013 8:23 PM, max wrote:

>
> FOUND 'EM!!! :-)
>
> The one i caught was a juvie. I don't think it's a mommie There's a
> big fat fucker that probably won't fit in my trap.
>
> I just want them gone so I can patch my fencing.
>
> Maybe I'll sell them on craig's list.
>

You got any friends that have a dog? Dogs hate racoons. Send a terrier
down there and he'll either kill it or chase it out and up a tree so you
can patch the hole.

[Adam H. Kerman]

Ok, you're scaring me.

1) .max has to pay a licensed racoon social worker to take care of the pups.

2) The racoon public guardian has to get involved to represent their
legal interest.

3) .max will get sued in animal court.

>I once thought I was solving a friends problem trapping one that was in
>a tree outside their house. Dogs kept going nuts after I caught it.
>Figured there must be babies and the owner made me get a ladder up a big
>oak tree and I brought down half a dozen flea infested starving brats.
>Cleaned them up and they took them somewhere. Can't remember where, but
>it was in your area somewhere.

Hahahahahahahaha

sticks did it to you.

[Cydrome Leader]

exactly. not sure why people make such a huge prodution over this.
Nobody relocates rats and roaches.

[Adam H. Kerman]

Don't they make a dog for this? I was thinking Black and Tan Coonhound.

[Bruce Esquibel]

max <beta...@gmail.com> wrote:

> FOUND 'EM!!! :-)

> The one i caught was a juvie. I don't think it's a mommie There's a
> big fat fucker that probably won't fit in my trap.

> I just want them gone so I can patch my fencing.

> Maybe I'll sell them on craig's list.

Just bring them by Barb, here in Chicago you just call animal control and
they come, pick up the critter and dispose of it, free of charge.

I don't think they are going to determine ownership.

She probably won't mind baby sitting them for a day or two until the crew
shows up.

-bruce
b...@ripco.com

[sticks]

On 5/16/2013 9:08 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:

> sticks <wolve...@charter.net> wrote:

>
>> I once thought I was solving a friends problem trapping one that was in
>> a tree outside their house. Dogs kept going nuts after I caught it.
>> Figured there must be babies and the owner made me get a ladder up a big
>> oak tree and I brought down half a dozen flea infested starving brats.
>> Cleaned them up and they took them somewhere. Can't remember where, but
>> it was in your area somewhere.
>
> Hahahahahahahaha
>
> sticks did it to you.
>

we took them to a rehab place, in wheaton I think

[sticks]

On 5/17/2013 12:31 AM, barbie gee wrote:

>
>
> On Thu, 16 May 2013, sticks wrote:

>>
>> It is against the law to relocate them. I thought we've been over this.
>>
>>
>

> leagle shmeagle.
> what's the alternative? shoot them? drown them? what?
> leaving them be is not an option. They need to be removed from their
> homes before the space can be secured to keep them out in the future.

I'm just relaying the facts as I understand them. I don't care about
coons and consider them a fucking rat that should be kilt. Just think
max should understand there is more to it than one might think. They
are also a very dangerous animal to be around because of the disease
they carry around with them.

[spamtrap1888]

I read this claim, but could find no legal support for it.

> Also, not supposed to be kept in trap longer than 24 hours.
>

Yes, for sure.

> > I would wait for raccoon season and turn it into a cap.
>
> I doubt he could shoot it on his property in the city limits.  Will
> anybody care if he does all the things himself?  You never know who
> thinks they need to turn you in.

He could arrow it.

[tom]

>>> max <beta...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Is that a feeding station or a trap on my deck?
>>>
>>>> A feeding station, apparently. Max's Sardine Bar.
>>>
>>>> grrrrrrrr....
>>>
>>> Why trap them? Isn't it better not to feed them to begin with?
>>>
>>> When I was a kid, racoons would get into the garbage cans. We closed
>>> them with rubber bands, which solved the problem.
>>
>> you don't get out to the Fox Valley much, do you?
>>
>> out there, in the country, by the river, there's not much you can do
>> about them. The trash only goes out one day a week. The problem is
>> they've taken up residence under his deck, again, even after he sealed
>> it up w/ wire and boards and stuff. he wants them OUT and away, so he
>> can seal the hole up again, without trapping any under the deck.

Our property backs up to a wetland. Here's a reminder from our last raccoon
visit here in South Elgin.

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z95/dollymadis/0002.jpg

[sticks]

On 5/17/2013 9:55 AM, spamtrap1888 wrote:
> On May 16, 4:37 pm, sticks <wolverin...@charter.net> wrote:
>> On 5/16/2013 5:41 PM, spamtrap1888 wrote:
>>
>>> On May 16, 2:55 pm, sticks <wolverin...@charter.net> wrote:

>>>> It is against the law to relocate them. I thought we've been over this.
>>
>>> You need a permit
>>
>> this is true. He can legally set the trap up.
>>
>>> and a place to release it.
>>
>> This is 99% false. He cannot legally move it unless he is licensed. It
>> can only be released within 100 yards of the catch location, which is
>> useless. Otherwise, it has to be euthanized, or given to a licensed
>> vet
>
> I read this claim, but could find no legal support for it.

<http://web.extension.illinois.edu/wildlife/files/17_IAC_1_525_nwc_permits.pdf>

[Nicko]

On Friday, May 17, 2013 8:54:02 PM UTC-5, sticks wrote:

> <http://web.extension.illinois.edu/wildlife/files/17_IAC_1_525_nwc_permits.pdf>

This does not address what you do with wildlife on your own property...it seems to apply to professional trappers, or at least, those who do it for others. Except for the raccoon part below...

a) Any individual desiring to control Protected Species which are causing damage to
property or a risk to human health or safety ON THE LAND OF ANOTHER, for a fee

b) Any person desiring to control Protected Species which are causing damage to
property or a risk to human health or safety ON THE LAND OF ANOTHER, at no charge.


raccoons must be euthanized or released on the same property and within 100
yards of where they were captured, or surrendered to a licensed veterinarian
who is a licensed wildlife rehabilitator for euthanasia or treatment and
release. Release may only be after an observation period of at least 45 days.
During observation, raccoons may be housed at any properly licensed
rehabilitator

[sticks]

Just because you own the property, does not mean you own the wildlife.
The State has the right and the responsibility to control and regulate
the wildlife in Illinois. They not only protect our indigenous species,
they protect us from invasive species. For example, if you have 40
acres or more you can hunt on your property for deer or turkey, but you
still have to be in a possession of a valid hunting license. It just
will be issued to you at no charge. You still have to follow all
regulations.

Raccoons are classified as a furbearer. They are also protected and
have a season they can be taken. If you have a "nuisance" animal on
your property, you can take it during season with a license, or you have
to have a valid permit to have it removed. Raccoons removal might seem
simple, but because of the disease they get special attention. Say you
had a trumpeter swan who took residence in your pond and was attacking
your kids. You can't just go get a permit and euthanize them. They
have special regulations.

Coyote, on the other hand, can be taken all year round, with a few
exceptions like only daylight hours at certain times of the year. The
regulations are many, and for non-hunters often confusing. For example,
I believe most furbearers can be taken on your own property of 40 acres
or more by the owner and his/her children during season without having
to acquire a license. Not true for out of season, they would need a
permit and could only take nuisance animals. Of course, if you have 40
acres, you probably do what you want out of sight of anybody.

For most homeowners, the cheapest way to rid themselves of nuisance
critters is to see if their local animal control officer will help them.
They are often more helpful if you are setting and keeping an eye on
the trap, and all they have to do is pick up the animal. The reason the
city of Chicago will dispose of them for you is not because they do
whatever they want. The people in the department have taken all the
necessary steps to be a valid permit holder. They are trained and have
the paperwork to do this. It may seem like they are just doing whatever
they want, but they are still following the wildlife code, and probably
to a tee. Usually the people involved in the process love animals and
know how to properly protect and remove them, if necessary. If they
cannot help you, there are professionals who do it for reasonable fees.
(I had a good friend who did it for a hobby, but he died from a knot
in his brain after mouthing off to some bikers and getting cracked
upside the head in the wrong bar, but that's another story)

So, have we all known either somebody who has not properly followed the
code, or actually done it ourselves? You betcha, I've done it myself.
Usually it is done out of ignorance. Sometimes because people don't
want to pony up for something they feel is unfair and they should not
have to pay for. Fines go up for intentionally violating the code. It
is not a big deal money wise if you get caught relocating a coon out in
the country somewhere. What would probably be worse would be running
from the farmer who might put a little salt in your ass if he caught you
doing it.

Here's the wildlife code, if you can get through it all.

<http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs/ilcs3.asp?ActID=1729&ChapterID=43>

[Nicko]

On Saturday, May 18, 2013 7:35:23 AM UTC-5, sticks wrote:
> On 5/17/2013 9:16 PM, Nicko wrote:
>
> > On Friday, May 17, 2013 8:54:02 PM UTC-5, sticks wrote:
>
> >
>
> >> <http://web.extension.illinois.edu/wildlife/files/17_IAC_1_525_nwc_permits.pdf>
>
> >
>
> > This does not address what you do with wildlife on your own property...it seems to apply to professional trappers, or at least, those who do it for others. Except for the raccoon part below...
>
> >
>
> > a) Any individual desiring to control Protected Species which are causing damage to
>
> > property or a risk to human health or safety ON THE LAND OF ANOTHER, for a fee
>
> >
>
> > b) Any person desiring to control Protected Species which are causing damage to
>
> > property or a risk to human health or safety ON THE LAND OF ANOTHER, at no charge.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > raccoons must be euthanized or released on the same property and within 100
>
> > yards of where they were captured, or surrendered to a licensed veterinarian
>
> > who is a licensed wildlife rehabilitator for euthanasia or treatment and
>
> > release. Release may only be after an observation period of at least 45 days.
>
> > During observation, raccoons may be housed at any properly licensed
>
> > rehabilitator
>
> >
>
>
>
> Just because you own the property, does not mean you own the wildlife

You could have just stopped there and saved your breath. I wasn't claiming anything about what one is allowed to do with the wildlife on one's property, but merely pointing out that the citation does not address that issue.

[sticks]

This link would have probably been more to your liking then

<http://dnr.state.il.us/orc/Wildliferesources/reportsW/WD/nuis03.pdf>

Check out the Discussion paragraph on the last page.

[Mark Anderson]

In article wolve...@charter.net says...

> >> Just because you own the property, does not mean you own the wildlife
> >
> > You could have just stopped there and saved your breath. I wasn't claiming
> > anything about what one is allowed to do with the wildlife on one's
> > property, but merely pointing out that the citation does not address
> > that issue.
>
> This link would have probably been more to your liking then
>
> <http://dnr.state.il.us/orc/Wildliferesources/reportsW/WD/nuis03.pdf>
>
> Check out the Discussion paragraph on the last page.

I wonder what Lew Rockwell thinks about not being able to kill and eat
the wildlife on one's own property?

[sticks]

who said you can't do that?

FWIW, there's open season on rats. Not protected.

[Cydrome Leader]

all you need is a definition of

"euthanasia in accordance with Department guidelines"

anyways, coons are scum and should all be destroyed.

[Cydrome Leader]

Mark doesn't eat his roomates.

[Mark Anderson]

In article pres...@MUNGEpanix.com says...

> > FWIW, there's open season on rats. Not protected.
>
> Mark doesn't eat his roomates.

Rats and mice stayed outside all winter once they were deprived access
to a single drop of water. I didn't have to expend karma points by
using chemical weapons of mass destruction against them. They just one
day all disappeared.

[sticks]

You sure it wasn't because all the neighbors actually heated their houses?

[Nicko]

On Saturday, May 18, 2013 4:08:58 PM UTC-5, sticks wrote:

> FWIW, there's open season on rats. Not protected.

They are fur bearers.

[Nicko]

ZING!

Touche!

[Nicko]

On Saturday, May 18, 2013 1:36:38 PM UTC-5, sticks wrote:

> Check out the Discussion paragraph on the last page.

Okay I read this...and it told me
nothing. Dude, you must have forgotten that I am like, Nature Boi.

Also, at the risk of incurring the wrath of the general population of this froup, I LIKE raccoons, and think they are cute and clever and just cool. And I say this after having dealt with them as pests.

Viz, some years ago when my parents were getting all pissed off about the coons invading their yard and digging up grubs in the lawn and being generally obnoxious, I bought my father a BB rifle- a Crosman 760. I suggested that if he popped them in the ass once in a while they would learn to stay away.

It worked, no coons were killed, and damn the laws forbidding harassment of wildlife.

[sticks]

On 5/19/2013 12:13 AM, Nature Boi wrote:

> On Saturday, May 18, 2013 1:36:38 PM UTC-5, sticks wrote:
>
>> Check out the Discussion paragraph on the last page.
>
> Okay I read this...and it told me nothing. Dude, you must have
> forgotten that I am like, Nature Boi.

That link told the law as far as regular folks and nuisance animals go.
That was what you said was missing. I only mentioned the discussion
paragraph because I found it interesting they noted the common problem
of urban dwellers not knowing about the regulations.

> Also, at the risk of incurring the wrath of the general population
> of this froup, I LIKE raccoons, and think they are cute and clever
> and just cool. And I say this after having dealt with them as pests.

I like them too. Ex wife had one for a pet, and my MIL has one right
now. It weighs almost 40 lbs and intimidates everyone except her. Both
were raised from babies, so the women are like mommas to them. I think
it's stupid and unfair to the animal. They belong in the wild.

> Viz, some years ago when my parents were getting all pissed off
> about the coons invading their yard and digging up grubs in the lawn
> and being generally obnoxious, I bought my father a BB rifle- a
> Crosman 760. I suggested that if he popped them in the ass once in a
> while they would learn to stay away.
>
> It worked, no coons were killed, and damn the laws forbidding
> harassment of wildlife.

My brother had a family take up residence in his basement. That was
ugly. I stayed on a farm in elgin where we took 38 of them out of the
stable one year. Being nocturnal, we hardly ever saw them. The damage
they caused led us to them. I know I'm not going to let them eat up or
take residence in my house. If a vet wants to rehabilitate them, fine.
I will lose no sleep over it one way or the other. Once they've lost
fear of peoples and instead of foraging become scavengers living in and
damaging our homes they're not so cute anymore.

[sticks]

On 5/19/2013 12:00 AM, Nicko wrote:
> On Saturday, May 18, 2013 4:08:58 PM UTC-5, sticks wrote:
>
>> FWIW, there's open season on rats. Not protected.

Actually, there are two species that are endangered or threatened
species in Illinois: eastern woodrat and the rice rat. They can't be
removed legally.

> They are fur bearers.

Rats are classified as a small mammal. Furbearers are animals that are
traditionally hunted and trapped primarily for their fur. In Illinois
this includes: badger, beaver, bobcat, coyote, gray fox, least weasel,
long-tailed weasel, mink, muskrat, opossum, raccoon, red fox, river
otter, striped skunk. In Illinois the river otter and bobcat are
protected species and cannot be taken.

[max]

In article <d1c025e8-82e3-4b39...@googlegroups.com>,

i tried he bb routine. not effective.

[max]

In article <knald1$t2r$1...@dont-email.me>,

I'll shave them before I do anything else.

[sticks]

just shave the tail, spray paint them black, and you might get away with
fooling people into thinking they were big rats.

[Mark Anderson]

In article wolve...@charter.net says...

> > Rats and mice stayed outside all winter once they were deprived access
> > to a single drop of water. I didn't have to expend karma points by
> > using chemical weapons of mass destruction against them. They just one
> > day all disappeared.
> >
> >
>
> You sure it wasn't because all the neighbors actually heated their houses?

Most likely. I'm not paying a heating bill to lure non rent paying
rats. The Spring is where this gets interesting. The other day when it
got up to 90 outside, the unheated inside (set at 54F) only got up to
66F which felt like an icebox with the temp differential. And then it
cooled again at night. If only the climate could stay like this all
summer.

[sticks]

We had the air on last week. Too damn hot to sleep good.

[coredump]

Gotta use lead pellets.

[max]

In article <djuip85oa7lqq4dcn...@4ax.com>,

fucket. Weather is nice. I'm going bike riding. Maybe I'll call a
raccoon whisperer.

[coredump]

Here's some 'bike' for you

http://www.wimp.com/sweetbiking/

[RonT]

I kinda do that too.

Only I use a .223.

They're very "injured".

[spamtrap1888]

On May 19, 9:10 pm, barbie gee <boo...@nosespam.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 19 May 2013, Mark Anderson wrote:
> > In article wolverin...@charter.net says...

> I'm assuming you have a brick building?
>
> When I was a kid, we lived on the 1st floor of a brick 3 flat, and if mom
> managed the windows and the shades right, we would be very cool all
> summer.  Of course, in those days you could open your windows up fully
> overnight and not worry that someone was gonna cut the screen and crawl in
> your window.  It was also kinda dark in the house with all the shades and
> drapes drawn...  but it was cool.  No AC back then.  How did we ever
> survive it?

Window fans, sleep on the back porch. Sleep in the basement.

>
> I have a frame house, and there's just too much solar gain to be able to
> keep it cool all day, although if i can pull the temp down overnight, and
> then live like a mole all day, i can get by without the AC, usually, with
> just the ceiling fans making it tolerable.

Did we discuss attic fans (whole house fans) before.

[Cydrome Leader]

excellent.

[Mark Anderson]

In article boo...@nosespam.com says...

> When I was a kid, we lived on the 1st floor of a brick 3 flat, and if mom
> managed the windows and the shades right, we would be very cool all
> summer. Of course, in those days you could open your windows up fully
> overnight and not worry that someone was gonna cut the screen and crawl in
> your window. It was also kinda dark in the house with all the shades and
> drapes drawn... but it was cool. No AC back then. How did we ever
> survive it?

It doesn't have to be dark. Northern exposed windows never get sun and
can be left uncovered. In the height of summer the sun is high in the
sky meaning the angle of sunlight incidence hardly enters southern
exposed windows as well. A simple awning would block that easily but
via my own observations, awnings seem to have fallen out of
architectural style in modern times in favor of sleek lines (damn you
Frank Lloyd Wright and your leaky buildings!). IMHO, it's pure laziness
on behalf of modern architects. There are some structures in my
neighborhood that had to have been designed by an architect while
rehabbing from a major stroke. But I digress... Eastern and western
exposed windows pose the biggest challenge to summer solar heating but
only for a few hours a day. Awnings can help with those windows as
well. It's better to block the sun before it enters your window. I
even saw an architect explain this on the Create channel a couple weeks
ago.

[dye]

In article <alpine.DEB.2.02.1...@sghcrg.sghcrg.pbz>,
barbie gee <boo...@nosespam.com> wrote:
>
>
>On Thu, 16 May 2013, sticks wrote:
>
>> On 5/16/2013 8:20 AM, barbie gee wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, 16 May 2013, max wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article <slrn3vfskp8...@faeroes.freeshell.org>,
>>>> Kristian M Zoerhoff <k...@lavabit.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2013-05-15, max <beta...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> In article <slrn3vfskp7...@faeroes.freeshell.org>,
>>>>>> Kristian M Zoerhoff <k...@lavabit.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2013-05-15, barbie gee <boo...@nosespam.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 15 May 2013, max wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Is that a feeding station or a trap on my deck?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> A feeding station, apparently. Max's Sardine Bar.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> grrrrrrrr....
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Remind me to bring my Havahart trap out this weekend. Clearly,
>>>>>>>> yers is
>>>>>>>> sticky or something. I'll bring some cat food, too.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why, so .max can make the racoon some farmer's problem? .22, close
>>>>>>> range.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 'yote gauntlet. If they survive teh pack, they can live.
>>>>>
>>>>> I wholeheartedly endorse this idea for pretty much anything.
>>>>> Promotions at
>>>>> work, speed dating, etc.
>>>>
>>>> Got little fukker #1 last night. I tied the sardine can to the inside
>>>> of the cage. I had to relocate the cage at 0200 because all the
>>>> rattling and noise woke me up. it seemed angry with me. when i moved it.
>>>
>>> angry! hah!
>>> I hope you had some old tarp or sheet to throw over the cage before you
>>> put him in the relocation vehicle. Gloves, and some plastic on the
>>> carpet, too.
>>
>>
>> It is against the law to relocate them. I thought we've been over this.
>>
>>
>
>leagle shmeagle.
>what's the alternative? shoot them? drown them? what?
>leaving them be is not an option. They need to be removed from their
>homes before the space can be secured to keep them out in the future.

Put them/cage in garage, start car, close all the garage doors.

--Ken

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[dye]

In article <YL2dnTAWPte-hgjM...@giganews.com>,
RonT <n...@home.com> wrote:

>On 5/16/2013 11:54 AM, Cydrome Leader wrote:
>> max <beta...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> In article <slrn3vfskp8...@faeroes.freeshell.org>,
>>> Kristian M Zoerhoff <k...@lavabit.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2013-05-15, max <beta...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> In article <slrn3vfskp7...@faeroes.freeshell.org>,
>>>>> Kristian M Zoerhoff <k...@lavabit.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2013-05-15, barbie gee <boo...@nosespam.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, 15 May 2013, max wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Is that a feeding station or a trap on my deck?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A feeding station, apparently. Max's Sardine Bar.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> grrrrrrrr....
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Remind me to bring my Havahart trap out this weekend. Clearly, yers is
>>>>>>> sticky or something. I'll bring some cat food, too.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why, so .max can make the racoon some farmer's problem? .22, close range.
>>>>>
>>>>> 'yote gauntlet. If they survive teh pack, they can live.
>>>>
>>>> I wholeheartedly endorse this idea for pretty much anything. Promotions at
>>>> work, speed dating, etc.
>>>
>>> Got little fukker #1 last night. I tied the sardine can to the inside
>>> of the cage. I had to relocate the cage at 0200 because all the
>>> rattling and noise woke me up. it seemed angry with me. when i moved it.
>>

>> I hope you moved the cage to the bottom of a river.
>>
>>
>
>
>No shit.
>
>Little virus carrying, rabies infested, garbage can rats.

Don't forget the fleas/ticks...

[dye]

In article <alpine.DEB.2.02.1...@sghcrg.sghcrg.pbz>,
barbie gee <boo...@nosespam.com> wrote:
>
>
>On Wed, 15 May 2013, Adam H. Kerman wrote:

>
>> max <beta...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Is that a feeding station or a trap on my deck?
>>
>>> A feeding station, apparently. Max's Sardine Bar.
>>
>>> grrrrrrrr....
>>

>> Why trap them? Isn't it better not to feed them to begin with?
>>
>> When I was a kid, racoons would get into the garbage cans. We closed them
>> with rubber bands, which solved the problem.
>
>you don't get out to the Fox Valley much, do you?
>
>out there, in the country, by the river, there's not much you can do about
>them. The trash only goes out one day a week. The problem is they've
>taken up residence under his deck, again, even after he sealed it up w/
>wire and boards and stuff. he wants them OUT and away, so he can seal the
>hole up again, without trapping any under the deck.

heard a bit on the radio about trash bags that smelled like mint
working on racoons as well as rats.

A little googlefing showed

http://thehousingforum.com/how-to-repel-raccoons/

I was wondering if you got a huge bottle of peppermint
extract, and used a garden-hose fertilizer sprayer to
completely douse the area under the deck, would it do
any good?

[RonT]

I hear ya

They're not as much fun as armadillos, but they'll do.