CoLabSpace42
Marek Kuziel
Following up a number of discussions I've had in the last weeks I
decided to apply "Grace Hopper Pattern"[1] and simply do it[2].
If you would like to participate on the project (ie. edit the site),
please email me off the list so I can add you to the access list.
Wiki at hackerspaces.org is a great resource containing most of the
information we need to create a similar space. I highly recommend
"Design Patterns"[3] section.
If we can keep discussion going at the Spacecraft mailing list group
that would be good. I don't feel like we need yet another mailing list
for this.
Marek
1 - http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/The_Grace_Hopper_Pattern
2 - https://sites.google.com/site/colabspace42/
3- http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/Design_Patterns
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> Following up a number of discussions I've had in the last weeks I
> decided to apply "Grace Hopper Pattern"[1] and simply do it[2].
Cool. :)
> If we can keep discussion going at the Spacecraft mailing list group
> that would be good. I don't feel like we need yet another mailing list
> for this.
Is there a particular reason for not continuing with using the
"Spacecraft" designation for the group name as well? It has some brand
recognition, a domain and a bank account. :)
--Philip;
Andrew Starr
I think 'Spacecraft' is probably better reserved for the social crafty
type space that I'm looking to get involved in (similar to the
original). Marek has in mind a hardcore mechanical workshop, I think
follower
> I think 'Spacecraft' is probably better reserved for the social crafty
> type space that I'm looking to get involved in (similar to the
> original). Marek has in mind a hardcore mechanical workshop, I think
"laboratory space for all makers, hackers and crafters out there."
-- <https://sites.google.com/site/colabspace42/>
A lot of time was spent on trying to get a name that at least had the
potential to cover the gamut of maker activities--and certainly the
original plan of the group that became Spacecraft was to encompass
both the "soft" & "hard".
At this point in time I don't think fragmentation by use is a good
start--and going by our previous experience I think hackers/makers
have more in common than hackers/crafters in terms of venue. (At least
initially until the "homeliness" of a venue can be improved.)
--Philip;
Marek Kuziel
Christchurch who used to meet at CII in pre-quakes era and who don't
have a space anymore.
And I think of CoLabSpace as a specific project that I would like to
do: 40ft container turned into a lab space for like-minded people.
Marek
btw. have I just spotted our very first bikeshed anti-pattern[1]
discussion about the project? ;-)
1 - http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/The_Bikeshed_Anti-Pattern
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probably always be tied to CII and meetings there. Hence, why I didn't
think to use the same name for the container project.
My goal is to create a lab out of 40ft container and document it
online under Creative Commons (or any other open license).
That way, anyone could do the same/similar thing.
I created sites.google.com/site/colabspace42 for that reason.
We can call the finished product "Spacecraft". OK? :-)
Marek
Marek Kuziel
@follower I didn't know that Spacecraft has a bank account. Is there
also any official org behind Spacecraft? Would be good to have.
Marek Kuziel
thinking about the difference between those two. the best I can come
up with is the following:
CoLabSpace42 is a project I would like to make happen to give
Spacecraft a new space, revive it and move it to the next level.
Andrew Starr
I don't think the anti-bikeshed pattern applies here, because that
pattern covers pointless discussions, whereas I think this is an
important issue. The reason I see a real distinction is that I can
foresee possible clashes between types of use, for example: Imagine
trying to write code or have a discussion while someone is using a
lathe or electric saw just a few metres away! That's why I think the 2
spaces are distinct and complementary. If the Spacecaft name is used
for Marek's lab, then we'll need to come up with another for the
hacker/crafty space. I'm not really bothered by whoever uses the name,
I just think the type of fragmentation that philip talks about is
inevitable (and necessary) because power tools and earmuffs don't mix
well with coding, crafting and electronics tinkering :>
Thoughts?
On Oct 19, 8:28 pm, Marek Kuziel <ma...@kuziel.info> wrote:
> ok, one more email and then I'll let it be for a while.. have been
> thinking about the difference between those two. the best I can come
> up with is the following:
>
> CoLabSpace42 is a project I would like to make happen to give
> Spacecraft a new space, revive it and move it to the next level.
>
> On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 8:18 PM, Marek Kuziel <ma...@kuziel.info> wrote:
> > oh, wow. I totally forgot about spacecraft.org.nz !! it's been so long.
>
> > @follower I didn't know that Spacecraft has a bank account. Is there
> > also any official org behind Spacecraft? Would be good to have.
>
> > On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 8:09 PM, Marek Kuziel <ma...@kuziel.info> wrote:
> >> Anyway, I see where you coming from. My perception of Spacecraft will
> >> probably always be tied to CII and meetings there. Hence, why I didn't
> >> think to use the same name for the container project.
>
> >> My goal is to create a lab out of 40ft container and document it
> >> online under Creative Commons (or any other open license).
>
> >> That way, anyone could do the same/similar thing.
>
> >> I created sites.google.com/site/colabspace42 for that reason.
>
> >> We can call the finished product "Spacecraft". OK? :-)
>
> >> Marek
>
> >> On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 8:00 PM, Marek Kuziel <ma...@kuziel.info> wrote:
> >>> Confirmed! Definitely the bikeshed anti-pattern :-)
>
Marek Kuziel
What started as discussion about the name came out as discussion about
the purpose.
How about having a 40ft fully-featured lab (ie. laser cutter, CNC,
angle-grinder, soldering stations, AVR programmers,...) and next door
20ft container turned into social space with bean bags, projector,
sound system, etc.?
We have a plenty of unoccupied space all around Christchurch. Moving
containers around is easy. If we have an organisation backing with
members, torch holders and ability/will to get funding we can make it
fly.
We can call the final "thing" anything we like.
I created CoLabSpace42 project website to document how to create a
space out of shipping containers.
Spaces that may eventually/hopefully come out of it may differ in
number of containers, their sizes and may be done anywhere where one
has an access to shipping containers, angle-grinder and welding
machine.
What I would like to see first is a proper lab with all bells&whistles
where I can go and work on my projects few hours a week and use tools
I don't have at home. I am happy to pre-book my space every week in
advance. I am happy to pay membership subscription. I enjoy to
socialize and talk about projects and meet like-minded people.
What I don't see CoLabSpace42 as is an organisation. It's a project.
What we need is an Incorporated Society to back this up. Hence why I
asked @follower if Spacecraft is an org or not.
Marek
Andrew Starr
> How about having a 40ft fully-featured lab (ie. laser cutter, CNC,
> angle-grinder, soldering stations, AVR programmers,...) and next door
> 20ft container turned into social space with bean bags, projector,
> sound system, etc.?
> I am happy to pre-book my space every week in advance
though, is to be able to have a semi-permanent 'personal station'
where I could leave equipment set up for periods of time and come and
work on it. Perhaps have a base subscription that allows use of
facilities, and a higher subscription rate if you want to keep stuff
set up permanently?
> I enjoy to socialize and talk about projects and meet like-minded people.
Marek Kuziel
I've added your input re personal station into the spec:
https://sites.google.com/site/colabspace42/the-lab/colabspace42
In summary, floor plan should account for personal storage and station
spaces that could be hired by members for long-term periods.
Marek
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Andrew Starr
multimeter etc that I'd be happy to donate to the project on a
permanent loan basis. I also have a PC that's a couple of years old
that could be pressed into service as a communal PC, for example if
you located a 3D printer or some other piece of equipment that needed
a PC to drive it.
What do you see as the next step in bringing this together?
On Oct 19, 11:14 pm, Marek Kuziel <ma...@kuziel.info> wrote:
> Hi Andrew,
>
> I've added your input re personal station into the spec:https://sites.google.com/site/colabspace42/the-lab/colabspace42
>
> In summary, floor plan should account for personal storage and station
> spaces that could be hired by members for long-term periods.
>
> Marek
>
> Marek Kuziel <ma...@kuziel.info> http://kuziel.info/
> Skype: vshivak GTalk: marek.kuz...@gmail.com
Marek Kuziel
we'd want to get a basic space up and running quickly.
I looked some existing hackerspaces and I quite like how they have
different sectors of their spaces for different things (eg.
electronics, power tools, etc.)
I think rough setup could be:
Stations:
- hot desks (= empty desk with plugs, monitor, docking station?) for
people who want to swing by randomly and work on their projects.
- specialized stations (ie. 3D printer) for those who would want to do
specific tasks. Pre-booking would be essential.
- personal stations for those who would want to have their space
within the space. Pre-book or long term hire essential.
Storage:
- common storage areas (eg. for electronics, tools and equipment).
Anyone would have access to those
- personal storage areas (either part of personal stations or lockable
storage to keep your work in progress projects, your personal tools,
etc.). Hire either as part of personal station hire or separate hire
if one would need more storage.
Based on the previous, online booking/hire system can be created for
the space. That would give members access to see whether desks are all
booked/hired/free at all times.
Yet again, incorporated society is the way to go. Guys at NZ Python
Users Group (http://nzpug.org/) went through that process so there is
knowledge and howto that we could leverage .
Marek
Nicolas
Community Shed folks -
http://menssheds.org.nz/canty-sheds/aldred-community-mens-shed/ There
is more than one group round Chch trying to get additional community
sheds set up. Slightly different target market, but similar
philosophy in many ways. Might be good to make links, help each other
out, make sure no toes get stepped on, etc
Nicolas
follower
Will merge all my replies together. :)
My overall thought is that if "we" can get a container converted,
located & financially sustainable then that's 90% of what's required.
Once that's in place I don't think it's likely there will be any
shortage of gear etc. In light of that, my suggestion would be to
focus on what's required to "get a container converted, located &
financially sustainable" and not worry so much about what goes in it.
IMO the biggest factors that contributed to Spacecraft's current
hiatus were: no permanent suitable venue (which was a pre-earthquake
issue), lack of a committed core team and (on my part) lack of a
desire to "lead". :)
On 19 October 2011 20:18, Marek Kuziel <ma...@kuziel.info> wrote:
> @follower I didn't know that Spacecraft has a bank account. Is there
> also any official org behind Spacecraft? Would be good to have.
We didn't have an incorporated society or anything like that. From
memory Pete & I are the signatories on the bank account. There is--I
think--a couple of hundred dollars in the account from our door
donations. At least in theory I think some of that was intended to
cover incorporation costs.
On 19 October 2011 20:28, Marek Kuziel <ma...@kuziel.info> wrote:
> CoLabSpace42 is a project I would like to make happen to give
> Spacecraft a new space, revive it and move it to the next level.
Sweet, I like the sound of that. :)
On 19 October 2011 21:42, Andrew Starr <ajs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The reason I see a real distinction is that I can
> foresee possible clashes between types of use, for example: Imagine
> trying to write code or have a discussion while someone is using a
> lathe or electric saw just a few metres away!
I think that's more a function of the space rather than the group.
Having visited spaces like MetaLab, Noisebridge and NYC Resistor they
manage to support a range of uses from "soft" to "hard" and it's
mostly the size/layout/construction of the space that enables those
uses to co-exist.
If it becomes an issue then it's "simply" a case of adding another
container (as Marek suggests), better isolation or "days of week use
allocation" or... But again, I believe the primary issue is what it
takes to get the space into existence not what will happen when it's
there.
On 19 October 2011 22:26, Marek Kuziel <ma...@kuziel.info> wrote:
> I created CoLabSpace42 project website to document how to create a
> space out of shipping containers.
> [...]
> What I don't see CoLabSpace42 as is an organisation. It's a project.
Cool, that's a useful clarification.
I'm keen to see something like this happening in Christchurch although
my ability to provide direct practical support may be limited. But
Marek has already proved with his house that he can get things like
this done. :)
--Philip;
Richard Fortune (@MakerOrgNz)
as you know I'm completely onboard for this. 1 approach I had thought
about for funding this was using kickstarter. The process we're about
to develop is something that people the world over will have an
interest in and I've been mulling over the rewards required to get
people donating.
I had spoken in the past to a fabber named Tom Kluyskens about using
his stools in such a space, I've ordered some miniatures of one of his
stools to use as samples to include in applications for funding. With
his permission we could also offer them as prizes for people bidding
(http://vimeo.com/22271754)
I have also started 3d modelling a cargo container in a style I think
would work - we'll probably rev through multiples of these, but
eitherway we could offer 3d printed models of these to funders. Like
we discussed before, we could ask some graphic-design folk to hand
draw some nifty stuff on the models - just to give them the extra
umph.
Similarly I'm looking for members for the open design society I'm
trying to setup here in NZ. The purpose of the society would be to
champion projects like this. I had registered Digital Fabrication
Council, but some of the team here felt we should save that entity for
a more specific service such as it's name suggests.
I therefore suggest we setup something called the Open Design Council
here in NZ. If some of you down there are keen to be members of such
an incorporated national society then I'll do the ground work from
here. Linking in those up in Auckland too.
While regions will have their specific hacker spaces, we do (in my
mind) need national entity that keeps out of the specifics of a space
or group and focuses on driving big-change projects such as the proto-
lab mentioned here.
I'm keen to discuss this more, but will leave it there for now.
Loving your drive Marek!
Cheers,
- Richard
On Oct 20, 5:52 pm, follower <follo...@rancidbacon.com> wrote:
> Thanks for the further clarification/discussion.
>
> Will merge all my replies together. :)
>
> My overall thought is that if "we" can get a container converted,
> located & financially sustainable then that's 90% of what's required.
> Once that's in place I don't think it's likely there will be any
> shortage of gear etc. In light of that, my suggestion would be to
> focus on what's required to "get a container converted, located &
> financially sustainable" and not worry so much about what goes in it.
>
> IMO the biggest factors that contributed to Spacecraft's current
> hiatus were: no permanent suitable venue (which was a pre-earthquake
> issue), lack of a committed core team and (on my part) lack of a
> desire to "lead". :)
>
> On 19 October 2011 20:18, Marek Kuziel <ma...@kuziel.info> wrote:> @follower I didn't know that Spacecraft has a bank account. Is there
> > also any official org behind Spacecraft? Would be good to have.
>
> We didn't have an incorporated society or anything like that. From
> memory Pete & I are the signatories on the bank account. There is--I
> think--a couple of hundred dollars in the account from our door
> donations. At least in theory I think some of that was intended to
> cover incorporation costs.
>
> On 19 October 2011 20:28, Marek Kuziel <ma...@kuziel.info> wrote:> CoLabSpace42 is a project I would like to make happen to give
> > Spacecraft a new space, revive it and move it to the next level.
>
> Sweet, I like the sound of that. :)
>