Re: [chado] Abridged summary of chado-way-of-tea@googlegroups.com - 2 Messages in 1 Topic

[Emmet Bondurant]

If I were to see a black robe, I'd pretty much automatically assume a priest.

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Ahmad Saqfalhait <saqfa...@gmail.com> Aug 29 07:24PM +0300 ^
 
Dear Marius,
 
Can you tell me what is the difference between the lined and unlined
kimonos, and whether there are any fabrics or colours (for men) that
shouldn't be used in tea.
 
Thanks,
more...

"Marius Frøisland" <muhi...@gmail.com> Aug 29 06:57PM +0200 ^
 
Hi
 
A lining means is an extra layer that is sown into a garment. Like in a suit
the inner fabric is often different than the outer layer even though they
appare as one garment.
more...

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[Nick]

By robe do you mean kimono? If so, I'm not sure why: priests are by
no means the only men who wear black kimonos. In my experience black
is a common colour for men's kimono in tea, though by no means the
only colour.

On Sep 1, 5:12 am, Emmet Bondurant <e...@sprintmail.com> wrote:
> If I were to see a black robe, I'd pretty much automatically assume a
> priest.
>
> On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 7:46 AM,
> <chado-way-of...@googlegroups.com>wrote:>   Today's Topic Summary
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> >    - Kimono in 'Western' sizes <#1321a831065bd644_group_thread_0> [2
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> >    Ahmad Saqfalhait <saqfalh...@gmail.com> Aug 29 07:24PM +0300 ^<#1321a831065bd644_digest_top>

>
> >    Dear Marius,
>
> >    Can you tell me what is the difference between the lined and unlined
> >    kimonos, and whether there are any fabrics or colours (for men) that
> >    shouldn't be used in tea.
>
> >    Thanks,

> >    more...<http://groups.google.com/group/chado-way-of-tea/msg/a0de9041fcc03506>
>
> >    "Marius Frøisland" <muhin...@gmail.com> Aug 29 06:57PM +0200 ^<#1321a831065bd644_digest_top>

>
> >    Hi
>
> >    A lining means is an extra layer that is sown into a garment. Like in a
> >    suit
> >    the inner fabric is often different than the outer layer even though
> >    they
> >    appare as one garment.

> >    more...<http://groups.google.com/group/chado-way-of-tea/msg/d53c891811b8b9f4>

[Marius Frøisland]

I was though to never use black kimono in tea. I have only seen it used by people with chamei, and they only use it in a black seethough jacket called jitoku. So if I could I would stay away from black for tea. 

Marius

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[Lee]

On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 7:12 AM, Emmet Bondurant <e...@sprintmail.com> wrote:
> If I were to see a black robe, I'd pretty much automatically assume a
> priest.

Having attended funerals in Japan. I think Funeral.

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[Carlos Castillo-Garsow]

black is the most formal color of kimono. Depending on the type of fabric it runs anywhere from a simple plain black suit to a tuxedo in level of formality. It's probably a reasonable color to wear to a full tea gathering, but might look odd at practice. I'd recommend grey, brown, or dark blue. A quick GIS shows those are the most common colors at tea.

[Emmet Bondurant]

Because my only exposure to folks in black kimono is Zen (although in
our tradition we wear brown).

[Marius Frøisland]

For tea black is a no color for students in Urasenke. I'm certain of this. It is a formal color in other settings. But remember that tea etiquette is more restrictive than normal Japanese etiquette. I think the use of black would be a larger breach of etiquett in tea than for a beginning student in a martial art to done a black belt. And the cost of buying a kimono that you can't use is much larger than a martial arts belt. Stick with safe colors (brown, green, blue, and grey) if you can. During my 1 year in Kyoto where I studied tea fulltime I never ever saw someone dressed in a black kimono for tea. I did see them for wedings and such, but never for tea. Even the grand tea master and his most senior teachers use the "safe" colors and a jitoku.

Marius

[Ahmad Saqfalhait]

Thanks for all the input. Good thing I ordered a grey one. :)

2011/9/3 Marius Frøisland <muhi...@gmail.com>

[Aaron]

Black is fine if it is the only thing you have, tea is after all a
formal event; however, black is the most formal color and considered a
little too stiff for most tea gatherings. It might be thought of as a
little too showy. If the kimono has mon they are usually worn at
formal events such as weddings and funerals. If it has no mon or has
a pattern woven into it, it is considered less formal and a little
more normal for tea. The jutoku Marius spoke of is a jacket worn over
any color of kimono, traditionally by men with chamei or in Kyoto, by
the higher level teachers. If you see pictures of people wearing
black for tea it is usually one of these jackets. We generally
discourage people from wearing black kimono, but like I said, if it is
all you have it is OK, in tea it is a little better to overdress if
you have to.