File Explorer issues, again...
tacSh...@gmail.com
right at the edge of chucking it again. I can't get the file explorer
to work. I thought I'd throw a post out here to see if anyone else had
the same issue and had managed to get past it. My drives in the file
explorer do not expand. I can see the files in C, but can't get a list
of folders under the drive (or any other) to select. I upgraded my
Java and changed the ini file to make CFE use 1.6.-_03. Still no luck.
If anyone's got through this mess, I'd appreciate any advice you have.
Otherwise it's back to the great Homesite I go.
--Ferg
Mark Drew
see that on the little triangle on the right of the drop down) and use
a file location
Let me know if this helps?
--
Mark Drew
Blog: http://www.markdrew.co.uk/blog/
LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/mdrew
Mark Drew
havent got round to fixing it yet. Sorry!
MD
tacSh...@gmail.com
I just read in a bunch of other posts that it had been fixed. This is
my fourth shot at giving CFE a go in the last couple of years. I guess
I'll check back for a fifth go-round sometime down the road to see if
things are working.
Thanks a lot,
--Ferg
On Nov 8, 8:44 am, "Mark Drew" <mark.d...@gmail.com> wrote:
> By the way, there IS an issue with what you are talking about, and I
> havent got round to fixing it yet. Sorry!
>
> MD
>
> On Nov 8, 2007 2:44 PM, Mark Drew <mark.d...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Instead of just using it off the bat, try adding a location (you can
> > see that on the little triangle on the right of the drop down) and use
> > a file location
>
> > Let me know if this helps?
>
> > On Nov 8, 2007 2:32 PM, tacShoo...@gmail.com <tacShoo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Well, I decided to give CFEclipse another go, but I gotta say that I'm
> > > right at the edge of chucking it again. I can't get the file explorer
> > > to work. I thought I'd throw a post out here to see if anyone else had
> > > the same issue and had managed to get past it. My drives in the file
> > > explorer do not expand. I can see the files in C, but can't get a list
> > > of folders under the drive (or any other) to select. I upgraded my
> > > Java and changed the ini file to make CFE use 1.6.-_03. Still no luck.
>
> > > If anyone's got through this mess, I'd appreciate any advice you have.
> > > Otherwise it's back to the great Homesite I go.
>
> > > --Ferg
>
> > --
> > Mark Drew
> > Blog:http://www.markdrew.co.uk/blog/
> > LinkedIn:http://www.linkedin.com/in/mdrew
>
> --
> Mark Drew
> Blog:http://www.markdrew.co.uk/blog/
> LinkedIn:http://www.linkedin.com/in/mdrew- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
tacSh...@gmail.com
use it I get "Error ! null" in the pane.
--Ferg
On Nov 8, 8:44 am, "Mark Drew" <mark.d...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Instead of just using it off the bat, try adding a location (you can
> see that on the little triangle on the right of the drop down) and use
> a file location
>
> Let me know if this helps?
>
> On Nov 8, 2007 2:32 PM, tacShoo...@gmail.com <tacShoo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Well, I decided to give CFEclipse another go, but I gotta say that I'm
> > right at the edge of chucking it again. I can't get the file explorer
> > to work. I thought I'd throw a post out here to see if anyone else had
> > the same issue and had managed to get past it. My drives in the file
> > explorer do not expand. I can see the files in C, but can't get a list
> > of folders under the drive (or any other) to select. I upgraded my
> > Java and changed the ini file to make CFE use 1.6.-_03. Still no luck.
>
> > If anyone's got through this mess, I'd appreciate any advice you have.
> > Otherwise it's back to the great Homesite I go.
>
> > --Ferg
>
> --
> Mark Drew
> Blog:http://www.markdrew.co.uk/blog/
Mark Drew
drop down to "Local Filesystem" , click on the arrow next to it and
click locations, enter a name like "my webroot" and select file from
the drop down.
CFEclipse is more designed towards projects, so if you do 100% of your
development using the file explorer, I suggest you should look into
just creating projects.
MD
Mark Drew
MD
I know, bit buggy, but the FileExplorer is NOT meant to be used all
the time, its mis-using the tool, its just meant to help you edit ONE
file if you need to sometimes, rather than doing your whole
development that way.
MD
tacSh...@gmail.com
Pardon me for asking, but why not? How is that misusing the tool? It's
an editor. I want to edit files that are in directories. I don't need
projects and setups and whatever else. I know where my files are for
my projects and I know what I want to open and work on right now. I
don't need anything to help me in that way. That's one of the reasons
I've never used DW. I mean, the reason I was coming back to give CFE
another shot was that a buddy of mine was telling me yesterday about
how it had changed since the last time I tried it. I said something to
the effect that last time I used it it seemed to be more like DW than
anything else (I do know that's it's much better than DW in so many
ways). He countered saying that now there was this FileExplorer where
I could get all of the benefits of using CFE, but still interact with
the directory structure just like I can in HS+ and that I could even
use it for my ftp and rds cxns just like in HS+. I thought that
sounded absolutely golden.
Thanks,
Ferg
On Nov 8, 8:53 am, "Mark Drew" <mark.d...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Click it again :)
>
> MD
>
> I know, bit buggy, but the FileExplorer is NOT meant to be used all
> the time, its mis-using the tool, its just meant to help you edit ONE
> file if you need to sometimes, rather than doing your whole
> development that way.
>
> MD
>
> On Nov 8, 2007 2:52 PM, tacShoo...@gmail.com <tacShoo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > I tried adding a location to C:\workspace\appName, but when I try to
> > use it I get "Error ! null" in the pane.
>
> > --Ferg
>
> > On Nov 8, 8:44 am, "Mark Drew" <mark.d...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Instead of just using it off the bat, try adding a location (you can
> > > see that on the little triangle on the right of the drop down) and use
> > > a file location
>
> > > Let me know if this helps?
>
> > > On Nov 8, 2007 2:32 PM, tacShoo...@gmail.com <tacShoo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Well, I decided to give CFEclipse another go, but I gotta say that I'm
> > > > right at the edge of chucking it again. I can't get the file explorer
> > > > to work. I thought I'd throw a post out here to see if anyone else had
> > > > the same issue and had managed to get past it. My drives in the file
> > > > explorer do not expand. I can see the files in C, but can't get a list
> > > > of folders under the drive (or any other) to select. I upgraded my
> > > > Java and changed the ini file to make CFE use 1.6.-_03. Still no luck.
>
> > > > If anyone's got through this mess, I'd appreciate any advice you have.
> > > > Otherwise it's back to the great Homesite I go.
>
> > > > --Ferg
>
> > > --
> > > Mark Drew
> > > Blog:http://www.markdrew.co.uk/blog/
> > > LinkedIn:http://www.linkedin.com/in/mdrew-Hide quoted text -
afa...@gmail.com
as a standard IDE like homesite+. But it's really not designed to be
used like this. You should develop in a project then deploy with ANT.
If you're not sure how to use ANT, here's a sample buildfile. Just
create a new build.xml in your project then open the ANT view. Then
drag the build.xml file into it. This will deploy the files into the
local directory. Eclipse will give you tooltip help for ANT
properties. Once you get used to developing this way, you won't want
to use Homesite ever again!
<!--- build.xml for local deployment --->
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<project name="localhost development" basedir=".">
<description>
Build the users folder and copy it to the localhost directory.
</description>
<target name="deployLocal" description="deploy files into a fresh
users directory">
<delete dir="c:\inetpub\wwwroot\users\" />
<mkdir dir="c:\inetpub\wwwroot\users\"/>
<copy todir="c:\inetpub\wwwroot\users\">
<fileset dir="${basedir}" />
</copydir>
</target>
</project>
On Nov 8, 8:32 am, "tacShoo...@gmail.com" <tacShoo...@gmail.com>
wrote:
tacSh...@gmail.com
On Nov 8, 8:53 am, "Mark Drew" <mark.d...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Click it again :)
>
> MD
>
> I know, bit buggy, but the FileExplorer is NOT meant to be used all
> the time, its mis-using the tool, its just meant to help you edit ONE
> file if you need to sometimes, rather than doing your whole
> development that way.
>
> MD
>
> On Nov 8, 2007 2:52 PM, tacShoo...@gmail.com <tacShoo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > I tried adding a location to C:\workspace\appName, but when I try to
> > use it I get "Error ! null" in the pane.
>
> > --Ferg
>
> > On Nov 8, 8:44 am, "Mark Drew" <mark.d...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Instead of just using it off the bat, try adding a location (you can
> > > see that on the little triangle on the right of the drop down) and use
> > > a file location
>
> > > Let me know if this helps?
>
> > > On Nov 8, 2007 2:32 PM, tacShoo...@gmail.com <tacShoo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Well, I decided to give CFEclipse another go, but I gotta say that I'm
> > > > right at the edge of chucking it again. I can't get the file explorer
> > > > to work. I thought I'd throw a post out here to see if anyone else had
> > > > the same issue and had managed to get past it. My drives in the file
> > > > explorer do not expand. I can see the files in C, but can't get a list
> > > > of folders under the drive (or any other) to select. I upgraded my
> > > > Java and changed the ini file to make CFE use 1.6.-_03. Still no luck.
>
> > > > If anyone's got through this mess, I'd appreciate any advice you have.
> > > > Otherwise it's back to the great Homesite I go.
>
> > > > --Ferg
>
> > > --
> > > Mark Drew
> > > Blog:http://www.markdrew.co.uk/blog/
> > > LinkedIn:http://www.linkedin.com/in/mdrew-Hide quoted text -
Mike Rankin
Mark Drew
I am hoping other users would chime in to help since I am a bit
pressed for time at the moment to give you a full and proper answer
you deserve.
Quickly put, by creating a project (which is how Eclipse likes to deal
with things, not just a CFE thing) you get a number of benefits from
the IDE.
If you want to use CFEclipse just as an editor, ok, and I understand
your pain and when I get some time, I shall try and fix these issues,
but to develop your skills as a developer, when you use projects you
get a lot of features, not least, something I use all the time is the
ability to open a file without going through all the folders and what
have you (that must at least save you an hour a day if you are doing
this a lot)
apologies if this isnt a complete post and an answer to your question,
I just have to write a workflow system before I go home.
MD
tacSh...@gmail.com
that it's just not the way I work. I've been doing CF development
absolutely fulltime for as long as almost anybody who's likely to
chime in. I started with 2.0 at Bell Helicopter back in the late 90's
and then shortly thereafter in 3.0 1998ish, writing code in Notepad
and then CF Studio. Big whoop right; I'm not bragging, doing it for a
long time doesn't mean you're good, just that you're old. I only bring
that up to say that I've had time to figure out how I like to code. I
certainly know the language; I know my files; I know my apps. I know
where things are and I know what I want to do. I just don't like it
when software gets in the way and tells me how/where/when... to do
it.
I will, however, allow for the fact that maybe I'm just missing
something. What I'll do is this. I'll run CFE, just as you say it's
meant to be run, through the end of the year. I'll use projects
instead of the FileExplorer and try to abide by all the rules. Then,
in January, I'll take an honest look at whether I think it's been a
better way to cut butter, or if I was better off with an old fashioned
butterknife.
By the way, I know you work your ASS off on this project and I really
appreciate what you've done - surely you've got to love the way it's
being embraced by so many.
On Nov 8, 9:22 am, "Mark Drew" <mark.d...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Ferg
>
> I am hoping other users would chime in to help since I am a bit
> pressed for time at the moment to give you a full and proper answer
> you deserve.
>
> Quickly put, by creating a project (which is how Eclipse likes to deal
> with things, not just a CFE thing) you get a number of benefits from
> the IDE.
>
> If you want to use CFEclipse just as an editor, ok, and I understand
> your pain and when I get some time, I shall try and fix these issues,
> but to develop your skills as a developer, when you use projects you
> get a lot of features, not least, something I use all the time is the
> ability to open a file without going through all the folders and what
> have you (that must at least save you an hour a day if you are doing
> this a lot)
>
> apologies if this isnt a complete post and an answer to your question,
> I just have to write a workflow system before I go home.
>
> MD
>
> > > > > LinkedIn:http://www.linkedin.com/in/mdrew-Hidequoted text -
tacSh...@gmail.com
save files locally. Then I refresh the browser and see my changes.
Then I check things into subversion. Then my ant scripts build things
to Beta and on to production. Why in the world would I want to have
build scripts from one place to another on my own machine? What's the
benefit? Why would you ever want to add an extra step into the process
on purpose? Maybe I'm just an old school knucklehead who can't seem to
get with the times, but I just don't get it.
--Ferg
> > --Ferg- Hide quoted text -
afa...@gmail.com
I've been using CFEclipse only for about a year, but whenever I go
back to developing with an old-style IDE, I feel crippled.
Say I'm developing an app that uses several files on the same page.
Includes, CFCs, whatever. In the old IDE, I'll have to move all
changes over to the new directory and hope I get it correct. If I'm
hot and heavy on a deadline or issue I'll likely forget one or two
files (more than often, a change to a CFC), multiplying my debug
efforts.
When I deploy the whole project all at once with ANT, I don't get this
kind of problem ... ever.
Couple that with XML buddy and dynamic snippets. It's hell developing
any other way.
If I have to deploy to several locations (backup, test environment)
add a new target in ANT, one click ... done.
Give it a try. It'll take you a few painful moments, but when you get
used to it. CFEclipse is the only way to go.
Get XML Buddy too. It's awesome to have your XML debuged while you
code.
On Nov 8, 9:48 am, "tacShoo...@gmail.com" <tacShoo...@gmail.com>
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> > > > --
> > > > Mark Drew
> > > > Blog:http://www.markdrew.co.uk/blog/
> > > > LinkedIn:http://www.linkedin.com/in/mdrew-Hidequoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > --
> > Mark Drew
> > Blog:http://www.markdrew.co.uk/blog/
> > LinkedIn:http://www.linkedin.com/in/mdrew-Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
Mark Drew
Feel free to add me to GTalk if you use it, I can send you tips daily
and then you can get up to speed.
Regards
MD
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Priest, James (NIH/NIEHS) [C]
> on purpose? Maybe I'm just an old school knucklehead who can't seem to
> get with the times, but I just don't get it.
Switching to 'projects' does take some getting used to...
As Mark and others have said - to really take advantage of the IDE - you
have to work the way it wants you to. Some don't like this - and in
that case - I'd say keep using whatever you are currently trying.
CFEclipe != Homesite. They aren't the same. Period. If you like the way
Homesite works - why switch to a differnt environment to get the same
behavior??
If you do make the plunge - and give projects a try - then I think you
will be much happier. Honestly - people complain about having to create
a project - but that takes all of a few seconds. Of course if you
currently have 100's of projects - that may take some time - but still -
it is a ONE time event.
And if you are currently using Subversion and Ant you will *really* like
their integration within Eclipse!!!
Jim
Priest, James (NIH/NIEHS) [C]
> > absolutely fulltime for as long as almost anybody who's likely to
> > chime in. I started with 2.0 at Bell Helicopter back in the
> late 90's
Hehehe. I've been using Homesite since Nick Bradbury offered it for
free. :)
This link contains a f-bomb - and I didn't write it but I think it's
funny...
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html/msg/6
b8044447c95cc3c?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&safe=off
Wonder what this guy thinks of current Dreamweaver pricing today :)
So I feel your pain about switching... but it can be done!
I tried switching a few times when CFEclipse was just getting started.
At some point I got a new PC and decided not to install Homesite and
instead forced myself to use CFEclipse. It was painful but I endured
and now couldn't imagine going back...
Jim
tacSh...@gmail.com
"I'll have to move all changes over to the new directory and hope I
get it correct."
I don't get that statement. Developing locally, all you have to do is
to save your changes and reload the browser on your local to see the
changes. It's hardly likely that you're going to miss getting them
into beta, as you clearly see those changed files in subversion (or
cvs or whatever). So you check them in and run your build.
What I'm trying to understand from you is what you gain by developing
locally and then building to another spot locally. Why not just
develop and save what you're working on where it is? I'm somehow not
seeing the point here.
Thanks,
Ferg
Mark Drew
> get it correct."
This is a red herring methinks. I develop locally and check in, when
you have a project, you can tie it straight into your SVN repository
and check in from the IDE (no alt tab to tortoise etc) using the
subclipse plugin
I am also connected to Trac using Mylyn/Mylar so I see the issues as
they are assigned (too many today!) and am able to switch issues as I
feel I need to.
you can run ant straight from the IDE when you are doing the deployments.
As I said, I am here if you need tips and/or help
Regards
Chris Jordan
It looks like there's been a patch, but I don't understand how to apply it. It looks like just some lines of source code were provided. Are we just waiting on this patch to be applied or what?
I know you're busy today Mark, and if I'm honest this isn't *that* big a deal to me anymore, but every once in a while I wish I had the file explorer to use. If you get a spare moment to comment on this patch, I'd be grateful.
Thanks for all your hard work! :o)
Cheers!
Chris
afa...@gmail.com
know, but another discussion). So in the example if you don't use a
versioning software, it helps. Yes ANT adds another step, but that's
how I've been able to work effectively with Eclipse. The "replace"
functionality also helps deploy to different environments as well.
You said you're trying to use CFEclipse and it's giving you problems
with explorer. Eclipse has problems performing like a standared IDE. I
used it concurrently with Homesite for a while and Homesite would
seize up. I'm trying to steer you away from using it like that. For
whatever reason, if you want to develop using Eclipse like a standard
"file explorer" IDE you will run into problems.
Nathan Strutz
Some good reading.
--
nathan strutz
http://www.dopefly.com/
RobG
file explorer worked too because there are a lot things I do that
aren't project-related.
Is it a safe assumption that since you're working on files locally,
that you already have an instance of CF running locally? If so, then
setup RDS for localhost. It's the next best thing to having a working
file explorer. If you're not sure how to do this, email me offlist
and I'll explain... it's pretty simple, should take 2-3 min max.
Rob
Rich Kroll
First, I truly hope we can help you get beyond the troubles you are
having. I know that once you really dig into eclipse, you can't see
yourself using any other IDE.
That said, I'm having the same file explorer view problems that you
are experiencing. The reason its never been a problem for me is
because i leverage the eclipse concept of "projects". Once you define
a project, you can use a view similar to the file explorer view, but
with many additional features that you can't use in the file explorer
view (one example is SVN integration). Once you embrace the "project"
theory, I think it will be much easier for you.
If you are dead set on a windows explorer type view, I would suggest
installing Aptana (which will help w/ css, js, and css editing as a
plus). It has a file explorer view that works much closer to homesite
IMO.
HTH,
Rich Kroll
bir...@gmail.com
eclipse + cfeclipse now for the third time to deploy it across my
organization and I am ready to toss it yet again. The file explorer is
just one of my many gripes. All of my projects are defined, but there
are times when you want to just open a file from the filesystem
without adding it to a project or defining a new one. It could be
archived code from a flash drive, or it could be a simple readme file
from a downloaded archive. I've tried it in both Windows and Linux and
neither will show directories, only files. Same with FTP. In my mind,
Eclipse+CFEclipse comes nowhere near the build quality of Dreamweaver
and again will not be deployed in my workplace. Seems work on it has
slowed tremendously over the last couple years as well while other
editors keep improving.
Priest, James (NIH/NIEHS) [C]
> From: Nathan Strutz [mailto:str...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 1:20 PM
> To: cfeclip...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: File Explorer issues, again...
>
> While I'm still trying to sell myself on ANT and build
> processes in general, Jeff Atwood blogged something related
I love Ant :) and it's one of those things along with SVN that I wish I
had discovered much earlier in my developer career. I'm slowly working
in the direction of a true 'build' where I can test, and deploy my
project all in one step. Right now I use Ant mostly to replace the
tedious 'I need to FTP some of these files to the production server'
step where you inevitably forget a file or replace one accidently, etc.
Ant is one button - done. Repeatedly. And I could easily share that with
a team member.
FWIW - I've got lots of Ant stuff here: http://www.thecrumb.com/wiki/Ant
Jim
Rich Kroll
these tasks. Mark has done a great job implementing added features
beyond just CF editing, but there is only so much time in the day and
this is a community driven project. I suggest you look into pairing
CFE with Aptana, which has a great file explorer as well great editors
for HTML / JS / CSS / FTP Synch, etc.
I'd suggest looking beyond just Eclipse + CF if you are putting
together an IDE for your development team.
HTH,
Rich Kroll
Jacob Munson
> slowed tremendously over the last couple years as well while other
> editors keep improving.
I don't agree with that. Maybe there just aren't new features you're
interested in? If you ignore all of the small bug fixes and stuff,
there has been the frameworks explorer, the snipex server, and some
other major improvements. Mark did take a month off at the end of the
summer, but I definitely don't agree that development has slowed over
the last two years. In fact, I think it may have increased.
--
Jake Munson
Kuna, ID, USA
http://www.techfeed.net/blog/
http://www.cfquickdocs.com/
http://cfformprotect.riaforge.org/
Priest, James (NIH/NIEHS) [C]
> From: bir...@gmail.com [mailto:bir...@gmail.com]
>
> I am in the same boat as Taco for the most part. I am evaluating
> eclipse + cfeclipse now for the third time to deploy it across my
> organization and I am ready to toss it yet again. The file explorer is
> just one of my many gripes. All of my projects are defined, but there
I must be the oddball - but I rarely open single files - and if I do - I
rarely would want to do it in Eclipse. I've got Notepad++ installed for
that sort of quick edit stuff.
Eclipse != Text editor
Eclipse = IDE
And there is a difference between the two.
http://osteele.com/archives/2004/11/ides
> and again will not be deployed in my workplace. Seems work on it has
> slowed tremendously over the last couple years as well while other
> editors keep improving.
Huh? I follow the editors out there and there aren't many with CF
support. JEdit, E, HTML Kit, maybe a few others - and NONE have the
rich environment that CFEclipse offers and that's not even considering
all the additional plugins available for Eclipse itself.
And there hasn't been a Homesite update in ages... and I won't get into
the Dreamweaver debate :)
We can hash this issue forever...
Yes, Eclipse/CFEclipse has a learning curve.
Yes, it forces you to work differently.
Yes, it's a bit buggy at times and has it's quirks.
Yes, development at times can be sporadic.
But *for me*, once you take the time to adjust your work habits, it is
THE best environment for developing ColdFusion code.
None of this matters however if you don't like it - I know lots of
people who code in Notepad or something like vi. What works for some
doesn't work for others...
Jim
Mark Drew
into CFEclipse this year, and start getting annoyed at people asking
about bugs to be fixed etc.
I mean, I am working on a new version of CFEclipse, and yes, there are
bugs in the FileExplorer, you know why?!! Because some people were'nt
happy with the old FTP support and the lack of SFTP. So I had to do
something about that and therefore implemented a completly different
system (using Apache VFS if you want to know, check out:
http://commons.apache.org/vfs/) which will mean new and more exciting
features in the future. And there are some troubles and bugs related
to that, sorry.
I am not fixing them recently because I DONT USE THE FTP EXPLORER. No,
I dont, so what benefit is it to me to get it fixed?
If you dont use CFEclipse in your workplace? well, no skin off my
nose, I use it because I think it improves my code, my development
methodology and my practices.
I cant edit something on the live server? Pah, well I damn well
shouldn't. There should be a process for deployment.
Now I remember why the other developers left the project.
MD
On Nov 8, 2007 7:39 PM, Priest, James (NIH/NIEHS) [C]
<Pri...@niehs.nih.gov> wrote:
> The file explorer is
> > just one of my many gripes. All of my projects are defined, but there
>
> > and again will not be deployed in my workplace. Seems work on it has
> > slowed tremendously over the last couple years as well while other
> > editors keep improving.
Charlie Griefer
> Now I remember why the other developers left the project.
ok so i'd like to start off by saying:
Mark, please don't leave the project. The unfortunate reality is that
for every 100 cfeclipse users that are happy (like myself), you might
hear 10% (a generous estimate) of them say 'thanks' and express their
appreciation. For every 100 cfeclipse users (or folks evaluating it)
that aren't happy, you likely hear 90% of the gripes. I'm not
condoning that... but unfortunately it's human nature. we tend to be
more vocal when we're unhappy (i have a teething 7 month old that
proves this).
Anyway, onto the subject at hand. I'd like to present myself as a
prime example of the fact that people can change. I'm as stubborn as
any other developer when it comes to my ways of doing things. I loved
CFStudio and HS+. Loved in ways that are probably illegal in 49 or so
states.
I kept hearing people talk about eclipse (and cfe) so i figured i'd
give it a shot. Didn't take long at all before I went back to HS+ (CF
studio was long since gone). My main gripe? I didn't like the
'project' aspect of CFE. And yes, I wanted to be able to open
individual files and edit 'em. So i was happy back in my little HS+
world. All was good. But dammit people kept talking about how great
eclipse (and cfe) were, so i tried 'em again. Long story short, it
took about 4 tries before things stuck. I really had to want to
change my ways and get into the "eclipse" way of doing things.
Recently I was onsite with a client and they actually had a copy of
CFStudio installed. Remember now.. this was my IDE of choice for
years. I cried like a little bitch when MM killed it. About 15
minutes into work, I was downloading and installing eclipse and
cfeclipse.
It didn't take long to get used to the notion of projects. Like a few
others have said, if i need to edit a single page, it's generally a
fairly minor edit, and notepad works fine. As Jim said... CFE isn't a
text editor. it's an IDE. So when I want to edit simple text in a
single file that's not part of a project... Notepad does the job.
I do have a 'playground' project set up, which is where i can do
non-project related stuff. That's eased quite a bit of the migration
pain.
Eclipse itself is such a versatile environment. Yes, I love
cf-eclipse, but there are other ways the environment helps me out.
XML plugins, CSS plugins, JS plugins. The frameworks explorer is
killer for being able to navigate complex framework based projects.
I've just started getting into Model-Glue and I can't even imagine
having to make sense of my MG.xml file without the frameworks explorer
(and yes, I'm sure my MG.xml can be refactored quite a bit... that's
not the point :)).
So yeah... i was quite stubborn and quite set in my ways. change is
not something that comes easy for me. Moving to eclipse was not an
easy transition... but today I couldn't image developing in anything
else. Eclipse just offers so much in the way of extensibility. ANT
integration. Source control plugins (SVN, VSS, perforce, surround).
There's very little that I cannot do within the IDE.
I know it's hard to comprehend. When I was flip-flopping back and
forth, if someone had said to me, "trust me.. .you'll get used to it",
i wouldn't have believed 'em. But trust me.. .you'll get used to it
:)
And yes... in my very humble opinion, it's worth the effort to try.
And thanks, Mark. Love you and appreciate you in manly ways :)
--
Charlie Griefer
================================================
"...All the world shall be your enemy, Prince with a Thousand Enemies,
and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch
you, digger, listener, runner, prince with a swift warning.
Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed."
Mike Henke
Sounds like you have alot of help here :-) Aptana File View is the
way to go if you want to use similar to File Explorer plus it has
built in ftp support. As for projects, it is similar to DW having
sites (I think been a couple years). Also why not create the project
on your root folder? Or create projects based on your subversion
repository setup then use Subclipse, ant, and CFEclipse seamlessly.
Priest, James (NIH/NIEHS) [C]
> From: Charlie Griefer [mailto:charlie...@gmail.com]
> I know it's hard to comprehend. When I was flip-flopping back and
> forth, if someone had said to me, "trust me.. .you'll get used to it",
> i wouldn't have believed 'em. But trust me.. .you'll get used to it
> :)
Crap. I bet if we had the old mailing list archives we could indeed find
someone that DID tell you that :)
Jim
Dan Wilson
Well Said CJ.
Mark, Please don't let the Chavs get you down.
Guillaume Apollinaire quotes
bir...@gmail.com
a oss option available, we are all developers here and we all know how
difficult it can be to please everyone all the time. On the web
especially. Just like Charlie, I keep evaluating Eclipse because of
the wonderful things people have to say of it, but it never strikes my
fancy. Maybe I have not progressed to that point yet, but the notion
of projects is nothing new to me at all. I started in Notepad, and
progressed to vim, then onto textpad (windows) and bluefish (linux),
and finally to Dreamweaver when I had a job that supplied it. It
doesn't take long to warm up to working exclusively with projects and
Eclipse project based editor. Our environment has local servers on
each machine, which is committed to Subversion. My build scripts take
care of checking out and deploying code to the production servers,
however we still manually ftp to the shared dev servers. I am trying
desperately to get us moved off of the windows platform however as
Dreamweaver is our primary tool I will not force anyone to use vmware
to run it. Eclipse with CFE + Subclipse + Aptana + Mylyn is the
closest thing and I keep evaluating it hoping that one day it will
work for us, but sadly I am very disappointed in the project each
time. I have forced myself now to spend 1 month with it (I usually
toss it after just a few days) and my efficiency has came to a
screaming halt. I spend more time manually fixing auto-complete
mistakes, closing tags, formatting code, validating, debugging and
deploying to test than writing code.
A broken file explorer, regardless of how often it is used, just gives
the project a unpolished and broken look and with the decrease in
efficiency there is no way i can deploy this in the workplace.
On Nov 8, 12:44 pm, "Dan Wilson" <sipac...@gmail.com> wrote:
> +1
>
> Well Said CJ.
>
> Mark, Please don't let the Chavs get you down.
>
> On Nov 8, 2007 3:14 PM, Charlie Griefer <charlie.grie...@gmail.com> wrote:
> --
> "Come to the edge, he said. They said: We are afraid. Come to the edge, he
> said. They came. He pushed them and they flew."
>
> Guillaume Apollinaire quotes
Charlie Griefer
> my efficiency has came to a
> screaming halt. I spend more time manually fixing auto-complete
> mistakes, closing tags, formatting code, validating, debugging and
> deploying to test than writing code.
but certainly you can't be under the impression that this is par for
the course? i can assure you as someone who uses eclipse + cfeclipse
+ aptana (etc) all day every day (and too many evenings) that i do not
spend any significant amounts of time doing those things that you
mention. have you looked to fix any of these issues? made sure
you're running the latest Java version? that all plugins are the
latest (stable) versions?
if spending that much time fixing all those issues were the norm, i
doubt that anyone would be using it. let's try and get those
individual issues fixed so you can give the environment a proper
evaluation, eh? :)
bir...@gmail.com
<cfscript></cfscript>>. also, if i copy an expression between () and
paste it into quotes the entire string gets replaced with a single ".
#'s just annoy me to no end. when writing java in eclipse the ide
almost writes the code itself, using cfe there are so many annoyances
that i have to turn off all of the auto-complete to get anything done.
and i still get the stupid popups as i am trying to type tags.
try <cfoutput, and the screen gets filled with the drop down selection
and help text (partially since i am evaluating it in vmware at
1024x768). now i should be able to hit enter and have <cfoutput>, but
neither enter, shift+enter, ctrl+enter will break me out of the tag.
there also is no closing tag as there are with other tags, so the
whole thing is a guessing game when there is no consistency. if it
were not so annoying to work with, and auto-complete worked as it does
in every other editor/ide then i might be able to better evaluate it.
this is off-topic, so if someone wants to work with me to try and set
it up correctly I really would like this to work so i can take it to
my team. my wife keeps asking me everyday when she will finally get to
use linux and eclipse (she loves the subversion and bugzilla
integration). so yeah, if you want to email me to try and help me out
it would be appreciated, i dont know how much longer i can stand this
and it has only been a week of the month i promised to give it.
os: ubuntu 7.10 (I have not noticed anything different when I run it
on windows however.)
eclipse platform: 3.2.2
jre: sun java 1.6 update 3
cfeclipse: 1.3
On Nov 8, 3:18 pm, "Charlie Griefer" <charlie.grie...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Andrew Scott
project orientated IDE, and I suggest that you are going to be using
something that is too bloated for your needs.
Andrew Scott
Senior Coldfusion Developer
Aegeon Pty. Ltd.
www.aegeon.com.au
Phone: +613 8676 4223
Mobile: 0404 998 273
-----Original Message-----
From: cfeclip...@googlegroups.com
[mailto:cfeclip...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of tacSh...@gmail.com
Sent: Friday, 9 November 2007 2:11 AM
To: CFEclipse Users
Subject: Re: File Explorer issues, again...
Thanks,
Ferg
> MD
>
> On Nov 8, 2007 2:52 PM, tacShoo...@gmail.com <tacShoo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > I tried adding a location to C:\workspace\appName, but when I try to
> > use it I get "Error ! null" in the pane.
>
> > --Ferg
>
> > On Nov 8, 8:44 am, "Mark Drew" <mark.d...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Instead of just using it off the bat, try adding a location (you can
> > > see that on the little triangle on the right of the drop down) and use
> > > a file location
>
> > > Let me know if this helps?
>
> > > On Nov 8, 2007 2:32 PM, tacShoo...@gmail.com <tacShoo...@gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> > > > Well, I decided to give CFEclipse another go, but I gotta say that
I'm
> > > > right at the edge of chucking it again. I can't get the file
explorer
> > > > to work. I thought I'd throw a post out here to see if anyone else
had
> > > > the same issue and had managed to get past it. My drives in the file
> > > > explorer do not expand. I can see the files in C, but can't get a
list
> > > > of folders under the drive (or any other) to select. I upgraded my
> > > > Java and changed the ini file to make CFE use 1.6.-_03. Still no
luck.
>
> > > > If anyone's got through this mess, I'd appreciate any advice you
have.
> > > > Otherwise it's back to the great Homesite I go.
>
> > > > --Ferg
>
> > > --
> > > Mark Drew
> > > Blog:http://www.markdrew.co.uk/blog/
> > > LinkedIn:http://www.linkedin.com/in/mdrew-Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> --
> Mark Drew
> Blog:http://www.markdrew.co.uk/blog/
> LinkedIn:http://www.linkedin.com/in/mdrew- Hide quoted text -
Priest, James (NIH/NIEHS) [C]
In regards to tags autoclosing - type the full tag <cfscript> (don't hit enter!) when you type the closing > - the tag should auto-complete itself and leave your cursor between them.
Click Windows > Preferences and spend some time digging through the available options - there are a lot of them - but this give you a lot of control over autoclosing tags (#, etc).
I don't do alot of dev at home but I run Ubuntu 7.1 and Eclipse 3.3 w/no problems. Everything for the most part acts exactly as it does at work with Winblows.
Jim
-----Original Message-----
From: bir...@gmail.com [mailto:bir...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thu 11/8/2007 6:38 PM
To: CFEclipse Users
Subject: Re: File Explorer issues, again...
my team. my wife keeps asking me everyday when she will finally get to
use linux and eclipse (she loves the subversion and bugzilla
integration). so yeah, if you want to email me to try and help me out
os: ubuntu 7.10 (I have not noticed anything different when I run it
Andrew Scott
And is just one method that some people use to sync changes to a development
box, or production taking that extra step away from having to move the files
to production.
Personally I do not use ant for this, the projects we work on I could have 5
different versions running and I use the integration of subversion
(Subversive) and projects to switch at the drop of one click to another
version. The use file sync to upload changes to production.
I could go on, but the ability to design reports with Crystal Reports /
Japser at the drop of a hat in the same IDE, and stored within the same
project structure saves time having to always open a directory traverse to
the location and open the file. It's all there nice and neat in the project
structure.
Do some research, and you'll see more goodness than you're caring to
acknowledge.
Andrew Scott
Senior Coldfusion Developer
Aegeon Pty. Ltd.
www.aegeon.com.au
Phone: +613 8676 4223
Mobile: 0404 998 273
-----Original Message-----
From: cfeclip...@googlegroups.com
[mailto:cfeclip...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of tacSh...@gmail.com
Sent: Friday, 9 November 2007 2:55 AM
To: CFEclipse Users
Subject: Re: File Explorer issues, again...
--Ferg
> On Nov 8, 8:32 am, "tacShoo...@gmail.com" <tacShoo...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Well, I decided to give CFEclipse another go, but I gotta say that I'm
> > right at the edge of chucking it again. I can't get the file explorer
> > to work. I thought I'd throw a post out here to see if anyone else had
> > the same issue and had managed to get past it. My drives in the file
> > explorer do not expand. I can see the files in C, but can't get a list
> > of folders under the drive (or any other) to select. I upgraded my
> > Java and changed the ini file to make CFE use 1.6.-_03. Still no luck.
>
> > If anyone's got through this mess, I'd appreciate any advice you have.
> > Otherwise it's back to the great Homesite I go.
>
> > --Ferg- Hide quoted text -
Andrew Scott
and a project environment you get better integration, than you could ever do
with the way you code now.
I think you negativity only shows a problem in changing / adopting a better
structure of managing a project.
Andrew Scott
Senior Coldfusion Developer
Aegeon Pty. Ltd.
www.aegeon.com.au
Phone: +613 8676 4223
Mobile: 0404 998 273
-----Original Message-----
From: cfeclip...@googlegroups.com
[mailto:cfeclip...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of tacSh...@gmail.com
Sent: Friday, 9 November 2007 2:49 AM
To: CFEclipse Users
Subject: Re: File Explorer issues, again...
> MD
>
> On Nov 8, 2007 3:10 PM, tacShoo...@gmail.com <tacShoo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > > > > On Nov 8, 2007 2:32 PM, tacShoo...@gmail.com
<tacShoo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Well, I decided to give CFEclipse another go, but I gotta say
that I'm
> > > > > > right at the edge of chucking it again. I can't get the file
explorer
> > > > > > to work. I thought I'd throw a post out here to see if anyone
else had
> > > > > > the same issue and had managed to get past it. My drives in the
file
> > > > > > explorer do not expand. I can see the files in C, but can't get
a list
> > > > > > of folders under the drive (or any other) to select. I upgraded
my
> > > > > > Java and changed the ini file to make CFE use 1.6.-_03. Still no
luck.
>
> > > > > > If anyone's got through this mess, I'd appreciate any advice you
have.
> > > > > > Otherwise it's back to the great Homesite I go.
>
> > > > > > --Ferg
>
> > > > > --
> > > > > Mark Drew
> > > > > Blog:http://www.markdrew.co.uk/blog/
> > > > > LinkedIn:http://www.linkedin.com/in/mdrew-Hidequoted text -
>
> > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > --
> > > Mark Drew
> > > Blog:http://www.markdrew.co.uk/blog/
> > > LinkedIn:http://www.linkedin.com/in/mdrew-Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> --
> Mark Drew
> Blog:http://www.markdrew.co.uk/blog/
> LinkedIn:http://www.linkedin.com/in/mdrew- Hide quoted text -
Andrew Scott
is no driver for my keyboard so the keyboard does some funny things for
me...
But everything works the same as my copy at work under Vista.
Andrew Scott
Senior Coldfusion Developer
Aegeon Pty. Ltd.
www.aegeon.com.au
Phone: +613 8676 4223
Mobile: 0404 998 273
Mark Drew
was supplied. I also added a couple of other fixes of my own...
Some more details:
http://www.markdrew.co.uk/blog/index.cfm/2007/11/9/CFEclipse-1316-Released
Regards
Mark Drew
--
afa...@gmail.com
Hooray! Three cheers for Mark Drew. Major props to Mark Drew. All hail
CFEclipse and the man who makes it happen.
Now back to your regularly scheduled CFEclipse griping/pimping
session.
On Nov 9, 4:36 am, "Mark Drew" <mark.d...@gmail.com> wrote:
> So not to let anyone down, I have fixed this issue with the patch that
> was supplied. I also added a couple of other fixes of my own...
>
> Some more details:
>
> http://www.markdrew.co.uk/blog/index.cfm/2007/11/9/CFEclipse-1316-Rel...
>
> Regards
>
> Mark Drew
>
> On Nov 8, 2007 8:44 PM, Dan Wilson <sipac...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > +1
>
> > Well Said CJ.
>
> > Mark, Please don't let the Chavs get you down.
>
> > On Nov 8, 2007 3:14 PM, Charlie Griefer < charlie.grie...@gmail.com> wrote:
bir...@gmail.com
example, I see that when typing the end bracket that the tag is
closed, however in the case of <cfscript> and a few others, I end up
with <cfscript></cfscript>> (note two closing brackets). and when i
type something in quotes, i have to pause after the last quote until
cfe does the replacement or i end up with name="value"" > I shouldn't
have to slow down to cfe's speed to do my work. In CFE everytime I
press space within a tag I get bombarded with the context menu, it is
way to obtrusive and covers the text I am typing, esc and backspace
become the most used keys throughout my day
just for giggles I worked through the developerworks article in dwmx
and it was much easier and less frustrating. i dont think there is any
way cfe will ever match the effectiveness of dw for cf programming,
which really sucks because there are a lot of other useful plugins for
eclipse. i think all you guys praising cfe need to go take another
look at other editors, this is pure crap and frustrates me more every
day i work with it and try to train myself to the retarded and non-
efficient way cfe expects me to code.
On Nov 8, 6:15 pm, "Priest, James (NIH/NIEHS) [C]"
<Prie...@niehs.nih.gov> wrote:
> Have you spent any time RTFM? Check out the wiki at trac.cfeclipse.org - lots of good stuff there.
>
> In regards to tags autoclosing - type the full tag <cfscript> (don't hit enter!) when you type the closing > - the tag should auto-complete itself and leave your cursor between them.
>
> Click Windows > Preferences and spend some time digging through the available options - there are a lot of them - but this give you a lot of control over autoclosing tags (#, etc).
>
> I don't do alot of dev at home but I run Ubuntu 7.1 and Eclipse 3.3 w/no problems. Everything for the most part acts exactly as it does at work with Winblows.
>
> Jim-----Original Message-----
> From: birb...@gmail.com [mailto:birb...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thu 11/8/2007 6:38 PM
> To: CFEclipse Users
> Subject: Re: File Explorer issues, again...
>
> my team. my wife keeps asking me everyday when she will finally get to
> use linux and eclipse (she loves the subversion and bugzilla
> integration). so yeah, if you want to email me to try and help me out
>
> os: ubuntu 7.10 (I have not noticed anything different when I run it
> on windows however.)
> eclipse platform: 3.2.2
> jre: sun java 1.6 update 3
> cfeclipse: 1.3
>
>
>
> winmail.dat
> 4KDownload
Mike Henke
Hopefully your aren't an internet troll. I read all your post in this
session and you seem to be baiting people into an argumentative
response. But anyways setting the insight delay might fix your
issues. http://www.fusionauthority.com/reviews/4633-cfeclipse-features-tag-insight.htm
Dan Wilson
Most developers experience significant productivity gains when using CFEclipse. In your case, it seems certain issues prevent you from having a productive working experience. Different horses for different courses, as they say.
Please accept my sincere apologies for your frustrations with the CFEclipse plugin. CFEclipse clearly does not work for your style of development. Thus, I recommend you uninstall CFEclipse.
Contact me off list and I will personally refund the cost of your CFEclipse license.
Dan Wilson
Stephen Davison
Remote Systems Explorer (RSE) plug-in from the Eclipse DSDP/TM project
(http://www.eclipse.org/dsdp/tm/). I'm always surprised when it
doesn't come up in one of these discussions. (I think it must be one
of the most undervalued Eclipse plug-ins.)
Just a few of the things I like about RSE:
* It's well integrated with the underlying platform; meaning for one
thing that it opens remote files with the editor(s) assigned by the
Eclipse file associations.
* It supports FTP and SFTP connections to remote hosts.
* Share file filters (think of a short-cut to your files buried down
in the file system) across remote connections.
* Support for remote projects. Although I've found this to be
unreliable for WTP JEE projects and haven't tried it for a CFEclipse
project, I think that's more an issue of the other plug-ins
integrating with RSE.
* Convenient import/export between the workspace and a local or remote
file system.
Argue all you want about how one should use Eclipse. I find many
occasions to edit files outside of a project (e.g. PERL and shell
scripts on a Unix host) and it's very convenient to be able to do that
from Eclipse while working on another project.
But don't take my word for it: try it for yourself.
Priest, James (NIH/NIEHS) [C]
> From: Stephen Davison [mailto:dvs...@gmail.com]
>
> Another option for using files outside your Eclipse workspace is the
> Remote Systems Explorer (RSE) plug-in from the Eclipse DSDP/TM project
> (http://www.eclipse.org/dsdp/tm/). I'm always surprised when it
> doesn't come up in one of these discussions. (I think it must be one
> of the most undervalued Eclipse plug-ins.)
Good stuff - I'll add that info to the wiki!
Jim
Priest, James (NIH/NIEHS) [C]
http://trac.cfeclipse.org/cfeclipse/wiki/OtherUsefulPlugins
If you know of any useful plugins that replace or enhance existing
CFEclipse features - feel free to add them there...
Jim
Brad Bourne
I just recently started using the Extended VS Presentation plugin and
I'm finding it useful in some cases. I also appreciate the new minimal
design look. I can vouch for it being solid i've been using it on 3.4
for several weeks.
Dinner
While there are ways to get around his main complaints (combinations
of changing delay and what auto-closes, etc.), they are generally valid.
I refute his claims that any other editors are "better"-
The bonuses (framework explorer, snippets, debugging. (which to be
honest, I don't utilize as much as I should- besides the unit-testing view))
are more than enough to tip the scale for a serious developer, but we
could be doing amazing things within the editor itself.
Mylyn, ANT, Subclipse, etc. are super swell, and we can do more!
I'm not lamenting about anything besides the lack of a developer pool,
but I'll lament away. Developer community, is probably the term I was
looking for.
How long has CF been running in Java? Are there seriously no other
folks doing eclipse plugin development? Even if you don't contribute
code, just reading what's there and discussing can be helpful...
There are a ton of little fixes that are FAI&P type-o's...
(Some are corrected in the patches I submitted ;)
The flex plugin didn't just build itself- could we bribe them fools to
give some love to CFE?
* * *
Well, I'll give a Hip-hip-hooray! for Mark as well, 'cause new releases
are swell!
Any chance you can take a look at the code I submitted, Mark? I'll
understand if you don't implement the features I added, or the re-
arranged cfeclipse prefs- that's fine. I'd rather spend time refactoring
the core editor code than perfecting what I added, anyways.
But there are a bunch of little bits sprinkled about (you can use the
patch wizard to see what code I patched, and decide what to bring
in)- the reason I ask is that most of the PDE errors are gone, and
I look at that PDE error log quite a bit, so it gives me peace of mind
to see it empty.
I ask secondly because it could save you time, and that's part of what
I was trying to achieve by contributing some time- (which I'm insane
to do considering my work-load :) as well as doing what I could to
improve my own working conditions- heh.
Tom, you wouldn't believe how useful I've found the "mark occurrence"
and "selectable" word-double-clicking boundaries- that was fun to
try to implement and more fun to use. Thanks for "sponsoring" the code.
I'll perfect it, eventually ;), but I'd rather focus on the painful code both
myself and Mark have been avoiding- the core. I've been avoiding it
because it seems my contributions aren't very highly valued, so, why
bother- a little.
Also I been too damn busy to fork, or start a new deal, that just uses the
fragments of the quite awesome framework, snippet and unit (apologies
if I'm forgetting any) bits. It's possible I'll get a wild hair tho- I'd rather
have buy-in, but what the hell.
* * *
Anyways, this was a patchwork post over days, mostly at 3am, so don't
take anything any certain way. Mostly I decided to post it since at least
3 errors I've seen in the past weeks were "fixed" with the stuff I submitted.
--
What we have here, is failure to communicate.
-C.H. Luke
Tom Lenz
> Tom, you wouldn't believe how useful I've found the "mark occurrence"
> and "selectable" word-double-clicking boundaries- that was fun to
> try to implement and more fun to use. Thanks for "sponsoring" the code.
Mark Drew
> are swell!
>
> Any chance you can take a look at the code I submitted, Mark? I'll
> understand if you don't implement the features I added, or the re-
> arranged cfeclipse prefs- that's fine. I'd rather spend time refactoring
> the core editor code than perfecting what I added, anyways.
I shall definately have a look, I am getting back into the swing of
things with CFEclipse (I know, I know), just remind me where the code
is (trac?)
>
> Tom, you wouldn't believe how useful I've found the "mark occurrence"
> and "selectable" word-double-clicking boundaries- that was fun to
> try to implement and more fun to use. Thanks for "sponsoring" the code.
> I'll perfect it, eventually ;), but I'd rather focus on the painful code
> both
> myself and Mark have been avoiding- the core. I've been avoiding it
> because it seems my contributions aren't very highly valued, so, why
> bother- a little.
I am sorry I have made you feel like this! My bad.. to be rectified
immediatelly!
(I blame workload and myself for bad manners!)
If people are contributing I should pay attention (I keep asking and
when I get, I dont do anything about it? My bad!)
MD
Dinner
I shall definately have a look, I am getting back into the swing of
things with CFEclipse (I know, I know), just remind me where the code
is (trac?)
It's in trac, and if you want an excuse to hold off on checking it out,
I can volounteer to run an update on my local CFE sources and see
if you've done anthing that conflicts, and perhaps split off the new
features from the little unrelated fixes. =]
I am sorry I have made you feel like this! My bad.. to be rectified
immediatelly! (I blame workload and myself for bad manners!)
If people are contributing I should pay attention (I keep asking and
when I get, I dont do anything about it? My bad!)
Aw shucks, no skin off anyone's back. Just a "hey, I see you" is good
enough for me. And I'm so freaking busy I can totally understand.
I've got several things falling through the cracks right now, I bet. :)
Mostly it was a bit of lameting about the lack of a team, even if it's
just a brain-trust, for CFE development. I'm eager to bounce ideas
of using Aptana, or brute-force-modifying the java editor, off other's
skulls. Something that'll let us tap into the nifty stuff already exposed
via eclipse itself, or whatever.
Being a one man show for most of my career(ha!), I can empathize
with you so much it's painful. I Didn't mean to make you feel bad
about anything, Mr. Drew! We're an all volounteer force. =]
I'll make a smoke signal or something when I've re-looked over
the code. (we *really* need to get trac configured a bit more ;) =]
Thanks esse,
:Denny
Mark Drew
Just so you know, I am currently working on this branch of the code:
http://svn.cfeclipse.org/org.cfeclipse.cfml/branches/1.3.2/
So you might want to check against that
I need to spend some time going through trac and closing bugs as well
as sorting them out into reasonable milestones.
MD
--
Dinner
Just so you know, I am currently working on this branch of the code:
http://svn.cfeclipse.org/org.cfeclipse.cfml/branches/1.3.2/
Coolio. I've got some deadlines on monday, so I'm not sure if I'll get a
chance to check it out this weekend.
I need to spend some time going through trac and closing bugs as well
as sorting them out into reasonable milestones.
We really need to fix up trac... get the email functionality installed
*cringe*ASAP (I've heard nothing but ASAP all week :-P).
If trac was a little better off, we could delegate the validating of tickets
a bit easier. Which would help everyone. Us, end-users... everyone.
Currently, we can't contact the ticket submitter, which is critical.
(it would also be nice to get email alerts when someone modifies a
ticket we've got queued up, etc..)
I've got a CF based wanna-be trac, that is mostly geared around mylyn,
but I could spiff up the web interface if we want to use something that
we, can, um, sorta control more. I have to spiff up the interface regardless.
I'm also fine with configuring trac, if someone wants to give me the
access.
--
Q: How many hardware engineers does it take to change a light bulb?
A: None. We'll fix it in software.
Q: How many system programmers does it take to change a light bulb?
A: None. The application can work around it.
Q: How many software engineers does it take to change a light bulb?
A: None. We'll document it in the manual.
Q: How many tech writers does it take to change a light bulb?
A: None. The user can figure it out.
Daniel Lancelot
Dinner
Ah la vagers. Well hell's bells- that's one "critical" thing off the list, right? :]
Mea culpa!
--
enter a valid email address in the reporter, editor or cc field.
Trac will automatically send you an email when changes are made to the ticket.
Stephen Moretti
Well I'll be a monkey's uncle! Bad case of RTFM. Arrogance, I rail at thee!
Ah la vagers. Well hell's bells- that's one "critical" thing off the list, right? :]
Mea culpa!
--
enter a valid email address in the reporter, editor or cc field.
Trac will automatically send you an email when changes are made to the ticket.
Stephen