CFbuilder2 thoughts?

[Zac Spitzer]

How are people finding CFBuilder2?

I've been using the trial for a while, even increased the memory to 1gb,
but it really doesn't feel stable enough as a primary IDE, I'm finding it often
locks up and even simple things like clicking search results don't always
actually open the file and scroll to the first match?

if there was a swear jar on my desk, it would be full

z

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[Mark Mandel]

I run it on a VM with 2 GB of RAM (Linux host), and 2 CPU cores out of my host's 4 and it runs great, no problems.

My VM args are:

-vmargs

-XX:MaxPermSize=256m

-XX:PermSize=64m

-Dosgi.requiredJavaVersion=1.5

-Xms256m

-Xmx1024m

What sort of CPU do you have? I know when I had it running on a single CPU VM, it was aweful. It does so much stuff in the background, that anything less than 2 CPU cores will have it hanging hardcore.

Mark

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[Zac Spitzer]

Hi Mark,

my desktop is beefy enough, it's a quad core 2.67ghz i5 with
4gb running on win7 64-bit

jvm settings I changed are

-Xmx1024m
-Xms256m
-XX:MaxPermSize=512m

it runs with about 270-360 mb of ram usually assigned

I've tried turning off all the syntax checking, but that only helped a
little bit

z

[Kai Koenig]

For me it works absolutely fine, Mac OS X 10.6.7 64 bit.

-Xdock:icon=../Resources/Eclipse.icns
-XstartOnFirstThread
-Dorg.eclipse.swt.internal.carbon.smallFonts
-Xms512m
-Xmx1024m
-XX:MaxPermSize=256m
-XX:PermSize=64m
-Xdock:icon=../Resources/Eclipse.icns
-XstartOnFirstThread
-Dorg.eclipse.swt.internal.carbon.smallFonts
-Dosgi.requiredJavaVersion=1.6

It usually hovers around 200 MB used heap (and that's with 15-20 cfm/cfc/js files open).

I had performance trouble during some of the pre-release rounds but the CF team did an awesome job eliminating those issues imho.

Personally I run CFB2 (actually everything) as plugins in an Eclipse setup instead of a stand-alone install. It _shouldn't_ make a difference re performance, but I subjectively feel that it does to me (besides the flexibility) - I use Eclipse 3.6.1 64bit.

Cheers
Kai

[ColdGen Internet Solutions]

Doesn't work at all for me. Loads up and then just crashes.

Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit - 8Gb RAM.

Peter Tilbrook
Managing Director, ColdGen Internet Solutions
Professional Adobe ColdFusion 9 Application Development
President, ACT and Region ColdFusion Users Group
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[Mark Mandel]

How big is the file you are editing?

Mark

[ColdGen Internet Solutions]

Nothing - don't even get that far.

Peter Tilbrook
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[Andrew Myers]

I'm running it without issue on Win 7 Professional 64bit.

One thing I did run into was having to run it as the administrator to install plugins. Have you tried running it as administrator just to be sure?

Also have you tried launching it from the command line? Does it give any useful output?

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[Gavin Baumanis]

From Mike Henkes blog;
http://www.henke.ws/post.cfm/Turbo-charging-Eclipse

I got the following eclipse.ini settings, which makes my IDE
significantly more responsive than the default settings.

-nosplash
-vmargs
-XX:+AggressiveHeap
-XX:+AggressiveOpts
-XX:+UseParallelOldGC
-XX:ParallelGCThreads=2
-XX:ThreadPriorityPolicy=1
-Xverify:none

The blog article gives a description of the settings too - which is
handy for those that want to know the WHY of it all.
For my Mac I had to remove this line, otherwise eclipse fails to
start;
-XX:ParallelGCThreads=2

the heap shows up as XXX of 1957 and normally hovers around
750 of 1957
less than 200 after a GC.

As for what I think of CFB2...
I think it is a great improvement over CFB1.

And as for your searching...
If you click on the filename in the search window it opens the file
and place the cursor at (1,1).
If you click on the the actual line that has the found text, it opens
the file and places the cursor at the correct line.
Well that's how it works for me anyway...

Lastly, I don't know if it makes much of a difference or not...
But I install CFBuilder as a plugin to a discreet install of eclipse.

Gavin.

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[charlie arehart]

For anyone having CFB performance problems, I would stress the value of
opening the "progress view" (window>show view>other>general). That will show
many background operations that can be going on and hanging things up.
Similarly, if it's opened when you close CFB, then when you open it, you'll
see it being shown as it's starting up, and you may see activity going on
there/then.

Peter, I realize you can't see it because you can't get it to respond at
all. BTW, are you saying that every time you open CFB, this happens? If not,
then you can try the above. If so, then here's another idea, with perhaps
some other potential benefits.

Have you tried open CFB with a new workspace. (There's a command-line switch
that can get it to do that if you can't get into the interface to switch
workspaces). I would expect that any problem would go away. You could then
add back the things you may have configured that may be failing (and again,
keep an eye on the Progress view in case it shows when it goes amiss). For
instance, you may have configured a connection to a server that is causing a
problem, or perhaps your workspace file itself is configured to exist on a
network drive (rather than a local drive), and so on.

BTW, about the server configuration matter, note that CFB does try to talk
to any configured servers (as listed in the Servers view) at startup. That's
another configurable option, where you could tell it to only refresh when
you do it manually. (The server refresh is needed if CFB is to know that
you've added new CFCs and other such items on the server that it tries to
"know about" about your environment. Since those can exist in locations
other then where your code/project itself lives, that's why it talks to the
server to get such configuration info.)

I talk about a lot of these tuning matters in a section of my "Hidden Gems
in CFBuilder" talk I did in 2009-2010 (they still apply to CFB2). That's
available on my site at www.carehart.org/presentations/. Hope some of that's
helpful.

/charlie

[ColdGen Internet Solutions]

Thanks for the response Charlie will give it a go tomorrow - a full re-install.

Just not right now (1:30am lol)!

Cheers!

Peter Tilbrook
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[ColdGen Internet Solutions]

Just did a re-install. If I create a new workspace, say in a new
folder under My Documents (not what CF Builder first suggests), it
does not crash.

So thinking a permission issue by default - one I am not going to
change for now but Adobe might want to look into why it defaults to an
area that is .... not allowed by default.

Nite!

Peter Tilbrook
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On 30 June 2011 01:28, ColdGen Internet Solutions

[Sean Corfield]

On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 10:33 PM, Zac Spitzer <zac.s...@gmail.com> wrote:
> How are people finding CFBuilder2?

Rock solid. I have it open 24x7 and restart it maybe once every week
or two (mostly because I'm doing other stuff that needs more memory,
like running some big ass server VM for a test).

That's on a quad core iMac 2.8GHz i7 8GB RAM.
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[Sagar Ganatra]

A few of you are facing some performance related issues, here are my
suggestions:

After installing CFBuilder please read the Post_Install_Readme.txt
file located under the CFBuilder install directory.

Can you start CFBuilder (standalone) or Eclipse (plugin install) from
the command line with an option -consolelog to see if any error
messages are shown.

When the workbench is launched Eclipse asks the user to specify a
workspace location, the default workspace location is specified in the
textbox (this is eclipse behavior). As Charlie pointed out the
progress view can come handy and tasks which are running in the IDE
can be observed.

Thanks,
Sagar Ganatra.
Fusioned with ColdFusion - www.sagarganatra.com


On Jun 29, 8:44 pm, ColdGen Internet Solutions

> >> available on my site atwww.carehart.org/presentations/. Hope some of that's

[Kai Koenig]

Hey all,

Sagar, thanks so much for responding to this thread.

Just to let everyone else on the list know, Sagar is part of the CF and CF Builder engineering team based in Bangalore.

Cheers
Kai

> A few of you are facing some performance related issues, here are my
> suggestions:
>
> After installing CFBuilder please read the Post_Install_Readme.txt
> file located under the CFBuilder install directory.
>
> Can you start CFBuilder (standalone) or Eclipse (plugin install) from
> the command line with an option -consolelog to see if any error
> messages are shown.
>
> When the workbench is launched Eclipse asks the user to specify a
> workspace location, the default workspace location is specified in the
> textbox (this is eclipse behavior). As Charlie pointed out the
> progress view can come handy and tasks which are running in the IDE
> can be observed.
>
> Thanks,
> Sagar Ganatra.
> Fusioned with ColdFusion - www.sagarganatra.com
>

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[Zac Spitzer]

so i even tried a new workspace, same issues, the it hung again, now it
won't even start, I'm fed up - I just want to cut code

now I'm in a total quandry on whether to fork out money to buy the
software as my trial expires today and I've had so much grief

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[Mark Mandel]

Zac - you didn't answer my question about how big the file you were editing was?

Mark

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[Kai Koenig]

Zac, maybe try Sagar's suggestion to start with consolelog and see if it tells you what the error/problem is.

Cheers
Kai

[Steve Onnis]

Do you have any projects setup that were pointed to files across a network
and if so do you know if those projects are currently open? I know i have
had issues with projects across a network opening slowly and "seemingly"
crashing cfbuilder. I would suggest just opening it and leaving it it
trying to open for a little bit rather than thinking it has crashed and
forcing it to close

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To: cfau...@googlegroups.com

[Zac Spitzer]

I'm working over a network drive on the lan, I guess that might be the problem.

All of the files I'm editing are only are small, most like 5-10k a few
approaching
20k, which is just mostly some chunky sql gateways cfc's

I have the console open, see what happens, maybe I will see the
heisenberg effect

I tried the progress window, but it locked up with everything else

BTW thanks everyone for taking the time to help out :)

[Mark Mandel]

What happens if you attempt to access the files locally?

When you say 5-10k you mean kilobytes, not 5-10 thousand lines?

Mark

[Steve Onnis]

You just need to wait until it finishes what it is doing. It has happens to
me sometimes too. Whole thing locks up (Not Responding) and then after a
few minutes or longer it finishes what it is doing and fires up

[Sagar Ganatra]

Zac,

CFBuilder takes some time to index the CFCs (depending on the number
of files in the webroot, mappings etc,.). It uses these to provide
code assist (for datasources, resolve CFC names). There is a
preference option is CFBuilder to turn this on\off. Please refer to my
blog post: http://www.sagarganatra.com/2010/05/coldfusion-builder-few-tweaks.html

Also, I was not able to reproduce the CFBuilder hang with my project
on a network location. Can you share the project, so that I can
reproduce the issue?

Thanks,
Sagar.
Adobe ColdFusion QE.

Fusioned with ColdFusion - www.sagarganatra.com

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[Sagar Ganatra]

If any of you are still facing performance issues with CFBuilder2,
please let me know asap. I'm not able to reproduce the issue that Zac
has mentioned.

Few suggestions:
1. Please read Post_Install_Readme.txt (under CFBuilder installation
directory) for post installation steps.
2. The progress view will show current tasks being performed by the
IDE, such as indexing CFCs etc,. You can stop the tasks by clicking
the stop button in the progress view.
3. Start the IDE with a -consolelog option to see any errors or
exceptions thrown while the IDE is starting. Please ignore the warning
messages.
4. Restart the IDE by selecting a different workspace. The current
workspace might have got corrupted for some reason.

If possible, share the project or files so that I can reproduce the
issue at my end.

Thanks,
Sagar.
Adobe ColdFusion QE.
Fusioned with ColdFusion - www.sagarganatra.com

[Zac Spitzer]

alas my trial has expired, I'm not able to test this any more

[Zac Spitzer]

Ah yes, I had completely forgotten about the express version!

so I fired it up and opened a new project, with process monitor running
in the background, I'm seeing a hell of lot of these messages

I am using an mapped drive via an IP, rather than using a hostname

Date & Time: 5/07/2011 5:15:04 PM
Event Class: File System
Operation: CreateFile
Result: NAME NOT FOUND
Path: C:\Windows\CSC\v2.0.6\namespace\192.168.2.6
TID: 6300
Duration: 0.0000159
Desired Access: Read EA, Write EA, Read Attributes, Write Attributes,
Delete, Read Control, Synchronize
Disposition: Open
Options: Synchronous IO Non-Alert
Attributes: n/a
ShareMode: Read, Write, Delete
AllocationSize: n/a

On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 4:56 PM, Sagar Ganatra <sa...@sagarganatra.com> wrote:
> Zac,
>
> Once the trial expires, you'll still be able to use CFBuilder2. It
> switches to Express Edition, please see this blog post:
> http://cfdocyard.blogspot.com/2011/05/coldfusion-builder-express-edition-free.html
>
> Can you try launching CFBuilder and see whether the workbench is
> available to you and the projects located over the network are
> accessible.

>
> Thanks,
> Sagar.
> Adobe ColdFusion QE.
> Fusioned with ColdFusion - www.sagarganatra.com
>

[Sagar Ganatra]

Zac,

Once the trial expires, you'll still be able to use CFBuilder2. It
switches to Express Edition, please see this blog post:
http://cfdocyard.blogspot.com/2011/05/coldfusion-builder-express-edition-free.html

Can you try launching CFBuilder and see whether the workbench is
available to you and the projects located over the network are
accessible.

Thanks,
Sagar.
Adobe ColdFusion QE.
Fusioned with ColdFusion - www.sagarganatra.com

On Jul 5, 11:25 am, Zac Spitzer <zac.spit...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Sagar Ganatra]

Zac,

I suspect this might be a machine connectivity issue. Can you create,
edit and save the file on the mapped location outside CFBuilder. I
just want to be sure that you are able to access the network location.

If you are able to save the file, then I would like to have a connect
session with you.

Thanks,
Sagar.
Adobe ColdFusion QE.
Fusioned with ColdFusion - www.sagarganatra.com

On Jul 5, 12:17 pm, Zac Spitzer <zac.spit...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Ah yes, I had completely forgotten about the express version!
>
> so I fired it up and opened a new project, with process monitor running
> in the background, I'm seeing a hell of lot of these messages
>
> I am using an mapped drive via an IP, rather than using a hostname
>
> Date & Time:        5/07/2011 5:15:04 PM
> Event Class:    File System
> Operation:      CreateFile
> Result: NAME NOT FOUND
> Path:   C:\Windows\CSC\v2.0.6\namespace\192.168.2.6
> TID:    6300
> Duration:       0.0000159
> Desired Access: Read EA, Write EA, Read Attributes, Write Attributes,
> Delete, Read Control, Synchronize
> Disposition:    Open
> Options:        Synchronous IO Non-Alert
> Attributes:     n/a
> ShareMode:      Read, Write, Delete
> AllocationSize: n/a
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 4:56 PM, Sagar Ganatra <sa...@sagarganatra.com> wrote:
> > Zac,
>
> > Once the trial expires, you'll still be able to use CFBuilder2. It
> > switches to Express Edition, please see this blog post:

> >http://cfdocyard.blogspot.com/2011/05/coldfusion-builder-express-edit...

[Zac Spitzer]

I have no problem editing the files in side or outside
of cfbuilder2, I have recreated the network connections
using hostnames just in case it was the ip address mapped
drive causing the problem.

feel free to contact me off list for the connect session

z

[Sagar Ganatra]

Last Thursday (7th of July), I had a connect session with Zac to get
to know the performance issues he was facing. As he mentioned in the
connect session, the IDE becomes unresponsive sometimes and it is
difficult to reproduce the issue. However, refresh of a directory
under a project whose location is on a shared network drive caused the
IDE to become unresponsive for some time and it resumed to its normal
functioning later. This must be an eclipse issue. If any of you see
the IDE becoming unresponsive, please take the thread dump using this
tool: http://www.adaptj.com/main/download. This will help us in
getting to know the root cause of the issue.

He also mentioned that, after changing the jre location to the default
one, he was no longer able to reproduce it.

Thanks,
Sagar.
Adobe ColdFusion QE.
Fusioned with ColdFusion - www.sagarganatra.com

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[charlie arehart]

Sagar, can you offer two clarifications:

With respect to the "project whose location is on a shared network drive",
are you referring to the location of the workspace? Or the files within the
project? I assume the latter, but just want to make sure.

With respect to "changing the jre location to the default one", do you mean
the default one that comes with CFB? If so, what had he changed it to (for
those who want to understand the problem). Or do you mean a default one for
the OS, if it had a default JRE (since you don't mention his OS, we're left
to possibly interpret "default" in different ways".)

Thanks.

/charlie

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[mpicker]

I have had this issue before with an earlier version of Eclipse (when
using files on a network share). I found as soon as I turned Build
Automatically off (default is on) the problem went away. Project ->
Build Automatically

Cheers
Mark

[bryn]

I'm getting CFB2 locking up under 2 conditions that I've identified
(maybe more)

1/. refreshing the open project files. Some of these on the local
hard drive, some on the server.
2/. Compacting the JVM Heap. (Sometimes this seems to fail).
This latter one came on today just after I'd done an edit pasting in a
string into each of 10 lines of code.
Then same thing happened a few minutes later.
I closed the file being edited and opened it again.

Each time it locks up, the screen goes white and CFB is unusable for
up to 10 minutes at a time.

Seems to happen more when large files (1300+ lines of code) being
edited (not my original work).

It would be great if CFB could be taught to only do these essential
background tasks when the machine is otherwise idle.

Cheers,
Bryn

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[bryn]

No, it isn't a machine connectivity issue.

On Jul 6, 2:28 pm, Sagar Ganatra <sa...@sagarganatra.com> wrote:
> Zac,
>

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[Brian Knott]

Any idea how to get CF builder to wrap text?

Brian

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[Sagar Ganatra]

Charlie,

Zac had the files on a network location and was trying to refresh the
same. I suspect this might be an eclipse issue.

He had pointed the jre to an external one and not the one that comes
with CFBuilder. The one shipped with CFBuilder is in the same install
location (in the same directory as CFBuilder.exe).

CFBuilder or Eclipse will refer to the jre in the install location if
present.

Thanks,
Sagar.
Adobe ColdFusion QE.

Fusioned with ColdFusion - www.sagarganatra.com

On Jul 11, 8:31 pm, "charlie arehart" <charlie_li...@carehart.org>
wrote:

[Sagar Ganatra]

Bryn,

Can you use the this tool: http://www.adaptj.com/main/download or
http://visualvm.java.net/download.html to get the stack trace. I'll
mail you my email id.

Thanks,
Sagar.
Adobe ColdFusion QE.
Fusioned with ColdFusion - www.sagarganatra.com

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[charlie arehart]

Brian, that's indeed a frequent question. If you just google for coldfusion
builder wrap you'll find several explanations of how to enable it, including
my hidden gems in CF talk (on CFB1, most of which still applies to CFB2 so
worth a read for those who haven't seen it).

Or are you saying you've tried that feature and it doesn't work for you,
perhaps?

/charlie

[Peter Tilbrook]

To be honest I have found now over the YEARS since CFSTudio that Dreamweaver
works for me - not ideal but at least I own it. For CF Studio I must pay
MORE?

Frustrating like "why is ColdFusion not free" but after 16 years as a CF
developer I have given up on that.

We have great talent and front-men like Ben Forta, Raymond Camden and many
others but as far as the IDE we wanted should have been FREE.

>>

/charlie

[charlie arehart]

Peter, it is free. Yes, CFBuilder 2 is free. After the trial ends, it
reverts what they are now calling the Express edition. It turns off some
features, but for many it will suffice. Otherwise you can pay for a license
and drop it in to get all the features.

Just wanted to be clear since you've taken this thread in this other
direction.

/charlie

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> To: cfau...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: [cfaussie] Re: CFbuilder2 thoughts?
>

[Kai Koenig]

Ehhm, Dreamweaver is not free, right?

Why do so many people feel it's a god-given right to have a free
CF IDE from Adobe?

Sorry, seriously beyond me.

Cheers
Kai

[ColdGen Internet Solutions]

Charlie Dreamweaver CS5.5 is NOT free and still shits on CF Builder.
After so long without CF Studio proper it had to happen.

Peter Tilbrook
Managing Director, ColdGen Internet Solutions
Professional Adobe ColdFusion 9 Application Development
President, ACT and Region ColdFusion Users Group
PO Box 2247
Queanbeyan, NSW, 2620
AUSTRALIA

Tel: +61-2-6284-2727
Mob: +61-2-0457-449-016

Email Address: pe...@coldgen.com
WWW: http://www.coldgen.com/

ABN: 80 826 226 128

[charlie arehart]

But Peter I wasn't talking about DW. You mentioned it, saying that you were
already using it. This thread was about CFB, and I thought you (like many)
were complaining because it is not free, so I offered the clarification
(that many have not heard) that in cFB2 Adobe has addressed that.

I also wasn't getting into a comparison of DW and CFB. (Feeling a little
testy, there, Peter?) As for CF Studio, it went on to live as HomeSite Plus.
While it's no longer updated (or sold), I'm not sure what you mean by "after

so long without CF Studio proper it had to happen".

/charlie

> -----Original Message-----
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> Behalf Of ColdGen Internet Solutions
> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 1:43 PM
> To: cfau...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [cfaussie] Re: CFbuilder2 thoughts?
>

[ColdGen Internet Solutions]

I've been using ColdFusion for 16 years now. Adoption comes to money -
CF is not free. Don;t get me started on why DW is the new CF IDE. CF
Builder is too foreign for me now.

DW is like a silk glove.

Peter Tilbrook
Managing Director, ColdGen Internet Solutions
Professional Adobe ColdFusion 9 Application Development
President, ACT and Region ColdFusion Users Group
PO Box 2247
Queanbeyan, NSW, 2620
AUSTRALIA

Tel: +61-2-6284-2727
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Email Address: pe...@coldgen.com
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ABN: 80 826 226 128

[charlie arehart]

OK, Peter, I'll bow out of this conversation. It's not one I intended to
start, or contribute to.

/charlie

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> Behalf Of ColdGen Internet Solutions
> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 3:32 PM
> To: cfau...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [cfaussie] Re: CFbuilder2 thoughts?
>

[Brian Knott]

Got it thanks Charlie.

-----Original Message-----
From: cfau...@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfau...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of charlie arehart
Sent: Wednesday, 13 July 2011 12:13 AM
To: cfau...@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [cfaussie] Re: CFbuilder2 thoughts?

Brian, that's indeed a frequent question. If you just google for coldfusion
builder wrap you'll find several explanations of how to enable it, including
my hidden gems in CF talk (on CFB1, most of which still applies to CFB2 so
worth a read for those who haven't seen it).

Or are you saying you've tried that feature and it doesn't work for you,
perhaps?

/charlie

> -----Original Message-----
> From: cfau...@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfau...@googlegroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Brian Knott
> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 4:50 AM
> To: cfau...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: [cfaussie] Re: CFbuilder2 thoughts?
>
> Any idea how to get CF builder to wrap text?
>
> Brian
>

[Zac Spitzer]

back to the hanging problem, the good news is my swear jar just got richer,
but I managed to capture a thread dump :) which I have sent thru to Sagar

--

[Mark Mandel]

Zac,

Big pat on the back for you for sticking through this, and seeing if the problem can be resolved. Not many people would go as far as you, so kudos to you!

Mark

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[Kai Koenig]

+1 - thanks for doing this Zac