ColdFusion on Seek demise

[Dale Fraser]

ColdFusion and others seem to have fallen into a special category on Seek now.

 

It seems that if you search for something that isn’t significant enough, then it will give you what it thinks you are better off looking at.

 

So my daily seek ColdFusion email subscription, is now about 30 jobs, of which you would be lucky to find of those has ColdFusion at all.

 

Seek seems to think I should be moving to .NET most of the positions I get are .NET, but it’s a mix with Java & php & others.

 

Try it yourself, I think it’s a stupid decision of Seek, I just want it to find what I’m looking for not what you think I’m interested in. Now without going through all 30 adds someone looking can’t really tell if any of them have a ColdFusion requirement at all.

 

Try this link

 

It’s a search for ColdFusion

 

2,750 jobs

 

http://seek.com.au/jobsearch/index.ascx?DateRange=31&catnation=3000&Keywords=ColdFusion&searchfrom=quick

 

Searching for ASP.NET only returns 835

 

Hopefully if we make enough noise someone might fix it, I blogged this also.

 

Regards

Dale Fraser

 

http://dale.fraser.id.au

http://cfmldocs.com

http://learncf.com

http://flexcf.com

 

[Andrew Scott]

You know what is even funnier about that?

 

I noticed that there is a ColdFusion / Spectra position, OMG I did not think anyone still used that over bloated piece of crap still.

 

Regards,

Andrew Scott

http://www.andyscott.id.au/

 

 

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[Kai Koenig]

Noticed that same thing - really annoying.

I'm getting sort of 160ish jobs in the email now with a search string of Cold Fusion, ColdFusion, CF, CFML etc. Makes it quite useless.

Cheers

Kai

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[Mike Kear]

Kai, all you do is open the email in Outlook, use the find
functionality to look for "ColdFusion" then "Cold Fusion", "CF",
"CFML" it will all be done in seconds. At least it is in my case
because there hasn't been a job in my 300+ emails with any hits on
those strings in months.

I talk to recruiters and they say 'coldfusion people are really hard
to find'. But they arent advertising for any of those strings at
all. That possibly explains it. No one in Sydney is actively
looking for Coldfusion people, at least in the usual careers web
sites.

Good thing I'm not depending on contracting work for a living any more.

Cheers
Mike Kear
Windsor, NSW, Australia
Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer
AFP Webworks
http://afpwebworks.com
ColdFusion 9 Enterprise, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month

[Kai Koenig]

It's totally not the point that one certainly could use whatever tool to full-text search in their email.

And I don't want to discuss the "CF is dead" or "I can't find a CF job" or "I can't find a CF developer" topics anymore, it's a pointless discussion imho.

The _point_ is that if I pass "X or Y or (Z and A)" into seek.com.au, I want the result to match those search filters. Their daily emails make this process easier and "into the user's face" in the morning. If they can't or don't want to do that, people will hopefully stop using them.

Cheers
Kai

[MrBuzzy]

I don't use seek, and I'm not defending them, but for what it's worth I did just notice this on their site;

'We've worked hard to make your job searching more efficient. To ensure you don't miss any relevant jobs as the new changes are phased in, there will be a short transition period where you may receive more jobs in your search results than you are used to. We expect this to last for a few weeks.'

So maybe it's just a temporary thing...? 

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[Peter Tilbrook]

All well and good Mike in fact you are in prime territory for CF work (Sydney). In Canberra it is a different story. Sure they advertise phantom jobs and that is it.

[Peter Tilbrook]

No has been happening for a long time. Since launch of CF9 at least. Note how even the book publishers have sucked up tight?

Peter Tilbrook
Managing Director, ColdGen Internet Solutions
Professional Adobe ColdFusion 9 Application Development
President, ACT and Region ColdFusion Users Group
PO Box 2247
Queanbeyan, NSW, 2620
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Mob: +61-2-0457-449-016

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[Mark Ireland]

I was relying on Seek.

What site should I use now?

[Peter Tilbrook]

The CFJOBS mailing list?

Peter Tilbrook
Managing Director, ColdGen Internet Solutions
Professional Adobe ColdFusion 9 Application Development
President, ACT and Region ColdFusion Users Group
PO Box 2247
Queanbeyan, NSW, 2620
AUSTRALIA

Tel: +61-2-6284-2727
Mob: +61-2-0457-449-016

Email Address: pe...@coldgen.com
WWW: http://www.coldgen.com/

ABN: 80 826 226 128

On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 12:04, Mark Ireland <marki...@hotmail.com> wrote:

I was relying on Seek.

What site should I use now?

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[Barry Beattie]

> I was relying on Seek.
> What site should I use now?

All of 'em. You never know your luck in the big city.

[Mark Ireland]

Thanks. You've been helpful.

Please post a list of them.

> Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 20:32:40 +1000
> Subject: Re: [cfaussie] RE: ColdFusion on Seek demise
> From: barry....@gmail.com
> To: cfau...@googlegroups.com

>
> > I was relying on Seek.
> > What site should I use now?
>
> All of 'em. You never know your luck in the big city.
>

[Barry Beattie]

Google is your friend

http://mycareer.com.au/search/jobs/qld/brisbane/?s=777&sq=coldfusion

http://jobsearch.careerone.com.au/Search.aspx?q=coldfusion&cy=au&where=Brisbane%2C%20QLD&rad=30&rad_units=km&qlt=625000&qln=3330166&lid=132&re=130

http://www.jobnet.com.au/

http://mycareer.com.au/search/jobs/qld/brisbane/?s=777&sq=coldfusion

http://jobsearch.gov.au/findajob/searchresults.aspx?Keywords=coldfusion&LocationCode=41%&

http://jobs.qld.gov.au/

etc

hope that helps.

[Dale Fraser]

In reality Seek is the only site worth a mention.

 

There are others but they are small fry compared to Seek

 

Regards

Dale Fraser

 

http://dale.fraser.id.au

http://cfmldocs.com

http://learncf.com

http://flexcf.com

 

[Barry Beattie]

sure, if you only want to restrict yourself to following the herd.

but why restrict oneself to just one source? Surely having many irons
in the fire is worthwhile?

Besides, two of those links were government jobs.

Seek may be the least worst, but it's not the only game in town.

my 2c.

[Dale Fraser]

Barry,

You are right it doesn't hurt, but my experience tells me that pretty much
everyone uses Seek, so even those posting on those other sites, are probably
also posting to seek.

So I suggest that people need to live with this or annoy seek to fix it,
because ignoring seek isn't a real solution.

Regards
Dale Fraser

http://dale.fraser.id.au
http://cfmldocs.com
http://learncf.com
http://flexcf.com

[Robin Hilliard]

On 28/08/2010, at 1:38 PM, Mike Kear wrote:

> I talk to recruiters and they say 'coldfusion people are really hard
> to find'.

... at the price the recruiters are willing to pay, that is :-).

Robin

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[Steve Onnis]

Remember also the more broader the results the more penetration their ads on
the website get....and the more money they make from them.

[flexboss]

I complained multiple times to seek they just said the number would
reduce
over time. It hasn't.
They either see some gain in this spamming or they're just
incompetent.

My suspicion initially was that they were running in a AI hardware
matchng/indexing system like Lens and it
was taking some time to train it - but if so it is'nt training fast as
the
false positives (99-100% usually)
are'nt diminishing.


Either way a fix seems unlikely in the short term.
d

On Aug 28, 1:00 am, "Dale Fraser" <d...@fraser.id.au> wrote:
> ColdFusion and others seem to have fallen into a special category on Seek
> now.
>
> It seems that if you search for something that isn't significant enough,
> then it will give you what it thinks you are better off looking at.
>
> So my daily seek ColdFusion email subscription, is now about 30 jobs, of
> which you would be lucky to find of those has ColdFusion at all.
>
> Seek seems to think I should be moving to .NET most of the positions I get
> are .NET, but it's a mix with Java & php & others.
>
> Try it yourself, I think it's a stupid decision of Seek, I just want it to
> find what I'm looking for not what you think I'm interested in. Now without
> going through all 30 adds someone looking can't really tell if any of them
> have a ColdFusion requirement at all.
>
> Try this link
>
> It's a search for ColdFusion
>
> 2,750 jobs
>
> http://seek.com.au/jobsearch/index.ascx?DateRange=31

> <http://seek.com.au/jobsearch/index.ascx?DateRange=31&catnation=3000&K...
> s=ColdFusion&searchfrom=quick>
> &catnation=3000&Keywords=ColdFusion&searchfrom=quick

>
> Searching for ASP.NET only returns 835
>
> Hopefully if we make enough noise someone might fix it, I blogged this also.
>
> Regards
>
> Dale Fraser
>

>  <http://dale.fraser.id.au>http://dale.fraser.id.au
>
>  <http://cfmldocs.com/>http://cfmldocs.com
>
>  <http://learncf.com>http://learncf.com
>
>  <http://flexcf.com>http://flexcf.com

[irfaan007]

I also had this annoying problem...

Fix: use double quotes.

if you search for "coldfusion" within double quotes in seek it should
show you correct results.

Cheers
Irfaan

[Mark Ireland]

Thanks Irfaan.

You are on my guru list now.

> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 18:54:25 -0700
> Subject: [cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion on Seek demise
> From: irfa...@gmail.com
> To: cfau...@googlegroups.com

[Dale Fraser]

Thanks for your feedback and bringing it to our attention.

We are aware of this and our IT team currently are testing a release
that is due to go out in a few weeks which should fix the problem.

Please accept our apologies for any inconvenience caused we hope to
have a resolution soon.

Kind Regards,

Corine (Seek)