Interactive whiteboards used only as screens

[Noel Cunningham]

Just out of curiosity; anyone know of any research or even anecdotal data on  the percentage of IWBs that are now hanging on walls but only being used as projector screens (I'm pretty sure it's not just me)?

Noel

[hb.bullock]

I've seen a few in schools where I subbed! And a few more used as decorations that weren't even screens 

Helen

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On 23 May 2013, at 09:00, Noel Cunningham <cunning...@gmail.com> wrote:

Just out of curiosity; anyone know of any research or even anecdotal data on  the percentage of IWBs that are now hanging on walls but only being used as projector screens (I'm pretty sure it's not just me)?

Noel

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[Simon Lewis]

I'd say the terms are being used interchangeably. However, in my opinion, they're better used as a projected screen.

Simon

On 23 May 2013 09:00, "Noel Cunningham" <cunning...@gmail.com> wrote:

Just out of curiosity; anyone know of any research or even anecdotal data on  the percentage of IWBs that are now hanging on walls but only being used as projector screens (I'm pretty sure it's not just me)?

Noel

[Joe Halpin]

Noel,
Have to say I am in my fair share of schools and have never seen one just
used as a screen.

However I don't think they are being put to best use by many teachers (more
training / confidence needed?)

I do however now notice a very significant number of orange Promethean /
Sanyo projectors with images so faint you can hardly see them on the board.



Joe

[Hassan Dabbagh]

just saying.............. but has anyone tried using scratch on an IWB??? it works well.

try it

On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 9:00 AM, Noel Cunningham <cunning...@gmail.com> wrote:

Just out of curiosity; anyone know of any research or even anecdotal data on  the percentage of IWBs that are now hanging on walls but only being used as projector screens (I'm pretty sure it's not just me)?

Noel

[Val]

Hi Joe

I have also noticed this with Promethean - Sanyo projectors even after bulb replacement and just wondered if this is a common problem and if someone might have some information or a fix for this  


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I do however now notice a very significant number of orange Promethean /
Sanyo projectors with images so faint you can hardly see them on the board.



Joe
 
 

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[Mary Linehan, IT Co-Ordinator]

We have an interactive whiteboard … which has been turned on about twice … otherwise used as just a whiteboard.

[Simon Lewis]

In relation to the Sanyo projectors, (and I could very well be wrong here) but rumour has it that these projectors were designed to have a lower Lumens due to some sort of legalities with eye strain etc.  Also, they were designed for the UK classroom, which seems to have less windows and therefore less natural light in them. I believe they were set at 1500 Lumens. Irish classrooms realistically need 2000 Lumens at least.

As I said, having said all this, I could be totally wrong as these are just things I've heard through various grapevines that may have had various agendas.

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[Mags Amond]

anecdotal only - my observance is 99% (as posh screens that is).

On 23 May 2013 09:00, Noel Cunningham <cunning...@gmail.com> wrote:

Just out of curiosity; anyone know of any research or even anecdotal data on  the percentage of IWBs that are now hanging on walls but only being used as projector screens (I'm pretty sure it's not just me)?

Noel

[Media Scene Technology]

Hi Val,

 

These are LCD projectors and often require an optical clean to improve the brightness.

 

Best Regards


Graham Dungan
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Media Scene Technology

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[Joe Halpin]

Val,
A "full optical clean" normally brings them right back up. I have seen many
schools replace lamps unnecessarily.

It is like somebody flicked a switch about 18 months ago and the projectors
are acting up.

Odd since Sanyo have ceased manufacturing projectors.

We installed NEC and Toshiba projectors about 4-5 years ago and the picture
on them is still perfect

Mags - surely it could not be anything like the figure you say.

Simon - you are partly correct. The projectors did have around 1400 lumens
for the reason you said but these Sanyo projectors used be much brighter
with more contrast when they were new. The ones I am talking about are
virtually unusuable unless the room is dark. You certainly would not use it
as a tool in your classroom all day. It is akin to going to the cinema to
watch a film with the lights left on.

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[Brian Vickers]

At the time the NCTE recommended a 1500 lumens projector was to be used in Primary schools (according to Prim-Ed) and many of these XE40, XE45 projectors were not very bright.

A clean helps but not much.

Kind Regards,

Brian Vickers                                                   
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[Clarke Rice]

My first UK-issue Promethean IWB came with all sorts of H&S warnings, including signs to be places on the wall around it to warn people off coming too close!

In the end, I asked for it to be removed from my room.  Too much fan noise (which distracted students, and me) and I was fed up being dazzled from accidentally looking into the bulb.

I have since moved room.  I have a 'real' whiteboard and my IWB.  If someone removed the IWB and painted the wall a suitable eggshell white, I would not notice any loss of function.  For me, using a screen is for:

• demonstrating how to use software (I use a wireless mouse, so my backside is not blocking the view of students)
• flicking through a ppt slideshow, or word-processed exam papers (ditto - if I want to highlight text, wireless mouse works from my desk)
• demonstrating bits of code (wireless mouse, wireless keyboard).
  

Personally, I find Promethean's software HORRIBLE.  Slow with a confusing interface.  At least, it was slow and confusing last time I checked (sometime in 2012).

ICT in education is a great idea - when the ICT is great!

[Clarke Rice]

I think 99% is a bit high.

95% sounds more reasonable ;-)

[Clarke Rice]

On 23/05/13 09:55, Joe Halpin wrote:
>
> However I don't think they are being put to best use by many teachers (more
> training / confidence needed?)

You have hit the nail on the head. A half-hour demo, plus a booklet,
does not training make.

> I do however now notice a very significant number of orange Promethean /
> Sanyo projectors with images so faint you can hardly see them on the board.
>

Yep - bulbs seem to die easily, with a replacement cost of �lots.

[John Hegarty]

On 23 May 2013 20:14, Clarke Rice <clark...@gmail.com> wrote:

I have since moved room.  I have a 'real' whiteboard and my IWB.  If someone removed the IWB and painted the wall a suitable eggshell white, I would not notice any loss of function. 

We moving our computer room from a big room to a smaller one over the summer - I'm planning on not putting in a board but painting as you suggest. 

I'm looking at installing a projector and painting a much bigger space then the projector image needs using whiteboard paint like this http://www.smartwallpaint.ie/ . This will allow teachers/students to write on the image projected and also write/draw around it. 

Has anyone here used this stuff and is it any good - long lasting - washable etc.?

jh

[Breeda C]

Hi
 I have one and would use it only as  a screen due to the fact that everytime the user logs out you have to reinstall software. No idea what
the glitch is but never had time to investigate. I would def use more if it did what it said on the tin. Lots of issues in our school with
all parts of IWB so problems means lack of use, which is a pity:O(
Breeda

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[Hassan Dabbagh]

Hi Brenda, 

You should try installing the software in the administration account on your laptop. 

Hassan Dabbagh

087 9044716 

[Breeda C]

Hi
Thanks Hassan,
The computer is networked into school network and I dont have administrative rights - that part of the problem, There is a tech guy but his list is sooo long it will never be done.
Maybe next week when exams are on Ill look for admin log in and figure it out.

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[Hassan Dabbagh]

Feel free to drop me an email if you think I can help. 

Hassan Dabbagh

087 9044716 

[Joe Halpin]

Have to say I am a bit gobsmacked about lack of training and apparent lack
of support from the Installers. How are ye all having these problems?

Our training consisted of 1 x very brief overview on how to connect
everything and included a "quick" a 30 mins. demo (that normally took an
hour) then there were 2 x 1 hour sessions (one about a week after the board
was installed and the next abut a month after that again).

At that stage most people were familiar and confident enough to start trying
things out for themselves. After that is is just familiarity.

Nowadays I am being asked questions about software the teachers have found
themselves and they are way beyond me.

Brenda - I don't think your problem is anything to do with Administration
login. There is something funny going on and I doubt if it is
administration.

If I were you I would be ringing your installer.

Joe


 
 

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Breeda, I completely agree, the installer is always your first call. It does sound like its not fully installed.

Hassan Dabbagh
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[Greg Ashe]

Am putting SmartwallPaint into new building with 14 classrooms over the summer. They used it in 3 lecture rooms in LIT last summer, went to visit and very impressed. They are rolling it out to more lecture rooms this summer. 

Be aware that with long throw projectors you may get a "hot spot" when projecting on SmartWallPaint - this is not evidence of this with ultra short throw.

If going in as a retrofit then smoothness of wall is VITAL. You may think the wall is smooth! If in doubt fix a 8x4 sheet or 2 of MDF on the wall and paint onto this (undercoat with regular flat white first). 

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[John Hegarty]

Thanks Greg.

jh

[Joe Halpin]

If anybody in Dublin, Meath is using it I would the opportunity to see it in
operation. You can contact me privately.

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Think SMOOOOOOTH

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[G P Ashe]

The SmartWallPaint guys are based in Dublin so contact them - you can probably drop into their office where no doubt the entire place is a giant whiteboard!

-- gpa

[Val]

Thanks Joe.
 

But in 2 schools that we now visit the projectors already have been cleaned at a considerable cost by the company that installed them without any noticeable improvement and the bulbs have been replaced, so where now, is there any fall back with the manufacturers?

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Val,
A "full optical clean" normally brings them right back up. I have seen many
schools replace lamps unnecessarily.

It is like somebody flicked a switch about 18 months ago and the projectors
are acting up.

Odd since Sanyo have ceased manufacturing projectors.

We installed NEC and Toshiba projectors about 4-5 years ago and the picture
on them is still perfect

Mags - surely it could not be anything like the figure you say.

Simon - you are partly correct. The projectors did have around 1400 lumens
for the reason you said but these Sanyo projectors used be much brighter
with more contrast when they were new. The ones I am talking about are
virtually unusuable unless the room is dark. You certainly would not use it
as a tool in your classroom all day. It is akin to going to the cinema to
watch a film with the lights left on.

Joe  



 


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Date: 23/05/13 11:50

I do however now notice a very significant number of orange
Promethean /
Sanyo projectors with images so faint you can hardly see them on the
board.

Joe



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Just out of curiosity; anyone know of any research or even anecdotal
data on
the percentage of IWBs that are now hanging on walls but only being
used as
projector screens (I'm pretty sure it's not just me)?

Noel

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On May 23, 2013, at 01:40 PM, Joe Halpin <jha...@comdex.ie> wrote:

Have to say I am a bit gobsmacked about lack of training and apparent lack
of support from the Installers. How are ye all having these problems?

Our training consisted of 1 x very brief overview on how to connect
everything and included a "quick" a 30 mins. demo (that normally took an
hour) then there were 2 x 1 hour sessions (one about a week after the board
was installed and the next abut a month after that again).

At that stage most people were familiar and confident enough to start trying
things out for themselves. After that is is just familiarity.

Nowadays I am being asked questions about software the teachers have found
themselves and they are way beyond me.

Brenda - I don't think your problem is anything to do with Administration
login. There is something funny going on and I doubt if it is
administration.

 

Brenda's problem sounds as if the machine is set up on a network to just download a clean machine image each time someone logs in. This set up is good for internet cafe's and for student labs, but may not be appropriate for a teachers computer.  The IWB software may have to be installed on the server, and included in the default teachers image to solve this problem. Warning I am not an expert in this area.

All the best

Dr Laurence Cuffe