Another report - any significance?

[Michael Molamphy]

Does anyone know if this report is of any significance or just another dust collector?

 

Michael

[Cormac]

Interesting line here:

"They would co-ordinate short-term project work for ICT professionals
within schools, and promote volunteerism in schools for ICT companies
on a national basis."

How is this going to work? Would like more detail on this.

On Aug 11, 10:10 am, Michael Molamphy <michael.molam...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Does anyone know if this

> report<http://www.independent.ie/education/latest-news/pupils-to-lose-out-on...>is

[Elizabeth Oldham]

Quoting Michael Molamphy <michael....@gmail.com>:

> Does anyone know if this
>

report<http://www.independent.ie/education/latest-news/pupils-to-lose-out-on-top-jobs-1855562.html>is

> of any significance or just another dust collector?

Well, the background information isn't new; but if business interests really
would be prepared to put their money where their mouths are, it just might be
interesting....

Elizabeth.

[Morgan Finucane]

The article does little to address the real issues. On a local level
and as the leading provider to Education nationally Net Communications
have entered into the The Schools’ Business Partnership and have put
our money where our mouth is for no return (none expected). See
http://www.bitc.ie/si_programmes/sbp/1/programme_profile.html for more
details. The real need is for an ICT protocol across the school system
because then all schools can be measured against it.

Regarding the mentioned VLE's we offer a VLE that is wholly hosted in
Ireland and subject to all Irish Data Protection requirements but
getting traction in Ireland is very difficult as the lack of budget
equals (to a large extent) a lack of interest. There is an immense
amout of work implementing a proper scalable VLE (forget Moodle - it
has its place and we like it too) but a Sharepoint based solution
capable of supporting hundreds of thousands of Pupils, Parents and
Educators that has a full suite of digital content in it and all
mapped to the Irish Curriculum with WIKI's, Blogs, etc. etc. does not
come cheap. Our solution is based on the Microsoft Learning Gateway
framework which is soon to be replaced by Uluru. This means that all
current products such as Sharepoint, Exchange, Terminal Server, SQL
Server, Office, ePortal, Bespoke Apps etc. etc. are available in a web
portal to each user and their page is uniquely configured for them.
See http://www.netcommunications.ie/index.cfm?area=content&action=contentselect&menuid=353&MainNavigationMenuID=206
and "download demo".

I'm also not surprised we come at the bottom of the league for
satisfaction. Having lived abroad for many years I see first hand how
far behind (ICT wise) my current childrens school is compared to the
school they were in abroad. In saying that I would not use exposure or
use of ICT as a measure of my childrens education alone as my
childrens teachers here are far more engaging, genuinely concerned and
holistic in their approach to the finished product - my child.

Morgan.

On Aug 11, 10:10 am, Michael Molamphy <michael.molam...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Does anyone know if this

> report<http://www.independent.ie/education/latest-news/pupils-to-lose-out-on...>is

[Cormac]

I would like to find out more about this "Uluru".

Could you send me some more info?

On Aug 11, 1:37 pm, Morgan Finucane <mor...@netcommunications.ie>
wrote:

> The article does little to address the real issues. On a local level
> and as the leading provider to Education nationally Net Communications
> have entered into the The Schools’ Business Partnership and have put

> our money where our mouth is for no return (none expected). Seehttp://www.bitc.ie/si_programmes/sbp/1/programme_profile.htmlfor more

> details. The real need is for an ICT protocol across the school system
> because then all schools can be measured against it.
>
> Regarding the mentioned VLE's we offer a VLE that is wholly hosted in
> Ireland and subject to all Irish Data Protection requirements but
> getting traction in Ireland is very difficult as the lack of budget
> equals (to a large extent) a lack of interest. There is an immense
> amout of work implementing a proper scalable VLE (forget Moodle - it
> has its place and we like it too) but a Sharepoint based solution
> capable of supporting hundreds of thousands of Pupils, Parents and
> Educators that has a full suite of digital content in it and all
> mapped to the Irish Curriculum with WIKI's, Blogs, etc. etc. does not
> come cheap. Our solution is based on the Microsoft Learning Gateway
> framework which is soon to be replaced by Uluru. This means that all
> current products such as Sharepoint, Exchange, Terminal Server, SQL
> Server, Office, ePortal, Bespoke Apps etc. etc. are available in a web
> portal to each user  and their page is uniquely configured for them.

> Seehttp://www.netcommunications.ie/index.cfm?area=content&action=content...

[Morgan Finucane]

cs.mseducommunity.com/groups/geps2009/media/.../download.aspx

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[Cormac]

Don't think that URL is correct?

On Aug 11, 5:25 pm, Morgan Finucane <mor...@netcommunications.ie>

[Morgan Finucane]

Sorry Cormac.....best thing to do is search Google for "Uluru Learning
Gateway Microsoft" and it's about the second one or third down. It is
a .docx file. You will not find out a lot about it at the moment as
Uluru is covered by NDA's. What I can tell you is that Uluru is
planned for late 2010.

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[Cormac]

Ok. Thanks for that Morgan.

On Aug 12, 1:11 pm, Morgan Finucane <mor...@netcommunications.ie>

[Simon Lewis]

Hi,

I think this report is of serious significance but unfortunately I think there are a number of serious problems with the report's findings.  I am publishing a very long article on http://www.anseo.net with my own feelings on the report later today.  My main points are that I am a bit peeved that practicing teachers were not on the focus group, e.g. CESI exec, I think they attributing blame to the wrong thing and I also think they are being really arbitary in some of their recommendations.

Regards

Simon
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Carlow Educate Together NS, Carlow Town, Roll No. 20295K
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Anseo.net - http://www.anseo.net

2009/8/11 Michael Molamphy <michael....@gmail.com>

[Conor Galvin]

Would agree with Simon on both of his main points. The report is from
an industry group with no real understanding of schools, hell-bent
once again on telling teachers what & how they 'should' use IT.
Neverthless, it is important because of the political influence of
those involved.
Conor

[Elizabeth Oldham]

Hi,

I think this report is of serious significance but unfortunately I think there are a number of serious problems with the report's findings.  I am publishing a very long article on http://www.anseo.net

Simon

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Simon:

Yes, great article with much food for thought.  I think I've just ruined your star ratings; I was trying to assign five stars by clicking each star in turn, but the system reacted to my first click (on the left-hand star, as I intended to work tidily from left to right)) and seems to have assumed that I meant a one-star rating.  Sorry about that....

Elizabeth.

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Email:  eol...@tcd.ie
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