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    "Mark Glynn" <mark....@dcu.ie> May 15 12:43PM +0100  

    All,
     

     
    Look to use the power of CESI. Can anybody provide myself and one of my
    colleagues with some training on Google sites. Do it I can arrange web based
    training facilities if you want to do it remotely or you are more than
    welcome to come to DCU to do a face to face session. All necessary equipment
    will be provided. We are both fairly techie people so I promise we will pick
    it up quick. Payment can be provided if necessary or payment in lieu is also
    an option i.e. I'd be willing to help you in return if I can. Ideally the
    training would happen early June
     

     
    Thanks in advance
     

     
    Mark

     

    Anne <annie...@gmail.com> May 15 02:34PM +0100  

    Hi Mark
     
    I currently use google sites as part of a fetac module . I have a manual / help document if you would like me to send it to you ?
     
    Sent from my iPhone
     

     

    "Tom Lonergan \(PDST\)" <tomlo...@pdst.ie> May 15 03:44PM +0100  

    Hi Mark,
     
    Steven from Camara has previously mentioned that they provide training on
    Google apps which I presume includes Google Sites?
     

     
    http://camaraireland.ie/2012/10/free-training-pay-what-you-like/
     

     
    regards
     
    Tom
     

     
    From: cesi...@googlegroups.com [mailto:cesi...@googlegroups.com] On
    Behalf Of Mark Glynn
    Sent: 15 May 2013 12:43
    To: cesi...@googlegroups.com
    Subject: [CESI List] Google sites training
     

     
    All,
     

     
    Look to use the power of CESI. Can anybody provide myself and one of my
    colleagues with some training on Google sites. Do it I can arrange web based
    training facilities if you want to do it remotely or you are more than
    welcome to come to DCU to do a face to face session. All necessary equipment
    will be provided. We are both fairly techie people so I promise we will pick
    it up quick. Payment can be provided if necessary or payment in lieu is also
    an option i.e. I'd be willing to help you in return if I can. Ideally the
    training would happen early June
     

     
    Thanks in advance
     

     
    Mark
     
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    "SANDRA O'TOOLE" <sand...@eircom.net> May 15 05:59PM +0100  

    Hi Anne, I would love to have the document you refer to as we are currently
    looking introducing the above
     

     
    Sandra
     

     

     
    From: cesi...@googlegroups.com [mailto:cesi...@googlegroups.com] On
    Behalf Of Anne
    Sent: 15 May 2013 14:34
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    Subject: Re: [CESI List] Google sites training
     

     
    Hi Mark
     

     
    I currently use google sites as part of a fetac module . I have a manual /
    help document if you would like me to send it to you ?
     
    Sent from my iPhone
     
     
    On 15 May 2013, at 12:43, "Mark Glynn" <mark....@dcu.ie> wrote:
     
    All,
     

     
    Look to use the power of CESI. Can anybody provide myself and one of my
    colleagues with some training on Google sites. Do it I can arrange web based
    training facilities if you want to do it remotely or you are more than
    welcome to come to DCU to do a face to face session. All necessary equipment
    will be provided. We are both fairly techie people so I promise we will pick
    it up quick. Payment can be provided if necessary or payment in lieu is also
    an option i.e. I'd be willing to help you in return if I can. Ideally the
    training would happen early June
     

     
    Thanks in advance
     

     
    Mark
     
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    Anne <annie...@gmail.com> May 15 07:34PM +0100  

    Hi Sandra no problem if you email me off this il send it to you .
     
    Sent from my iPhone
     

     

    Peter Kennedy <pe.ke...@googlemail.com> May 15 10:43PM +0100  

    Hi Mark
     
     
     
    I am no expert with Google sites but I did use it to develop a website for
    my local GAA club. The GAA signed up to use Google sites for all GAA clubs
    and provided a template. I used it and found it very straight forward to
    use. They did provide some help using some support sites. My local parish
    is looking to setup a new website and have found some of the places that
    provide parish websites and hosting to be very expensive, I have suggested
    they use Google Sites and I have got them setup with a Google Apps for
    business using the parish domain name, and have a domain name email address
    at a cost of about €100 per year. I have said that I would setup a website
    using Google Sites as I had done the GAA one but I have not got it done
    yet. I do find it limited enough with what you can do but I suppose it is
    free from Gmail account users. I have seen some very impressive Google
    Sites and I would love to get to know more features. My knowledge is basic
    enough but would be happy to show you what you know if you like.
     
     
     
    I would also like to get my hands on the document that Anne referred to.
     
     
     
    Regards
     
     
     
    Peter
     
     
     
    P.S
     
     
     
    I am a long time reader of the cesi-list and enjoy some of the topics and
    this is my first post. I am not a teacher but work in the IT Industry and
    have a great interest in ICT for Education and would love to get involved
    in this someway.
     
     

     

    Eugene Eichelberger <gei...@gmail.com> May 15 03:09AM -0700  

    It absolutely kills me to see Scratch being referenced as a critical
    component to classroom ICT education. Scratch was designed to target kids
    ages 5 - 8. It has a place but it is more often used as a crutch for the
    adults who do not have the training or resources to offer a better
    alternative. The logic skills taught in Scratch can be easily taught using
    an number of other software choices and it is the wrong tool for
    introducing basic logic concepts. Scratch proposes to be what is called an
    Integrated Development Environment. It does a reasonably good job at
    getting started but it has two critical faults. First, it is to broad as
    explained by Zed A. Shaw in this Vid <https://vimeo.com/53062800>. Second
    and more dangerous it is impossible to transition off the platform. Just
    like locking yourself inside the Apple selection of hardware. Complicated
    scratch projects do not offer a good way to scale beyond doing small
    animated greeting card projects. Most reasonably intelligent kids can find
    a platform limitation within 20 minutes. Choosing Scratch for children over
    the age of 11 is sacrificing the ability to grow for some up-front
    convince. It breaks my heart to ask university kids if they have any
    'coding' experience. As soon as they hit their first programming course,
    they realize they've wasted 100s of hours dragging scratch blocks around.
     
    And, please do not retort with a comment that only computer science kids
    need coding skills. Every single job in the world today requires some form
    of *textual* logic needing to be entered into a computer. Whether your
    talking about ruining Ireland's economy because of an Excel macro,
    performing an advanced search query, or simply navigating around the
    Internet, you need to be able to understand the tool that we've all
    willingly slaved ourselves with: the computer.
     
    -Eugene
     
     
    On Tuesday, 14 May 2013 21:05:52 UTC+1, Simon Lewis wrote:

     

    Stephen Howell <stephen....@gmail.com> May 15 12:00PM +0100  

    In the Scratch Team's live webcast about Scratch 2.0 a few weeks ago, I *
    think* they said that Android tablets that some use Flash will run the new
    version but it's no optimised.
    They are planning a standalone offline version of Scratch 2.0 so it is
    possible that this will also see an Android optimised version too. I don't
    think that has been officially announced, so it may not happen.
    Alternatively, check out Snap (a HTML5 version of BYOB) that is very
    similar to Scratch (but a bit harder and more powerful). It might work
    better on tablets?
     
    Regards,
     
    Stephen
     

     

    "Joan Maguire" <jo...@compucara.ie> May 15 02:03PM +0100  

    I agree with the sentiments expressed in this post. Please forgive me if I
    share some thoughts on this. The study of logic, I believe should not be
    ,limited to one or a number of systems. To my understanding, The
    exploration of thought in a logical manner can develop the new perspectives
    that are the foundations of new developments.
     
    Forming minds need nourishing. No more than the use of a computer comes
    easy to children, systems built on simple logic will quickly be absorbed by
    them.
     

     
    When dealing with children learning Scratch, it is important to be aware of
    the moment when their understanding goes beyond that system and be ready
    with another step for them. An interested mind can find the creation and
    study of fractals a challenge.
     

     
    If we confine our childrens' study of logic to occupation on an existing
    computer system, we could find that their ability to explore and be curious
    will be curtailed. The greatest book of all is nature itself, with all her
    undiscovered mysteries.
     

     
    Joan
     

     
    From: cesi...@googlegroups.com [mailto:cesi...@googlegroups.com] On
    Behalf Of Eugene Eichelberger
    Sent: 15 May 2013 11:09
    To: cesi...@googlegroups.com
    Subject: Re: [CESI List] using tablets or ipads or kindles in junior classes
     

     
    It absolutely kills me to see Scratch being referenced as a critical
    component to classroom ICT education. Scratch was designed to target kids
    ages 5 - 8. It has a place but it is more often used as a crutch for the
    adults who do not have the training or resources to offer a better
    alternative. The logic skills taught in Scratch can be easily taught using
    an number of other software choices and it is the wrong tool for introducing
    basic logic concepts. Scratch proposes to be what is called an Integrated
    Development Environment. It does a reasonably good job at getting started
    but it has two critical faults. First, it is to broad as explained by Zed A.
    Shaw in this Vid <https://vimeo.com/53062800> . Second and more dangerous it
    is impossible to transition off the platform. Just like locking yourself
    inside the Apple selection of hardware. Complicated scratch projects do not
    offer a good way to scale beyond doing small animated greeting card
    projects. Most reasonably intelligent kids can find a platform limitation
    within 20 minutes. Choosing Scratch for children over the age of 11 is
    sacrificing the ability to grow for some up-front convince. It breaks my
    heart to ask university kids if they have any 'coding' experience. As soon
    as they hit their first programming course, they realize they've wasted 100s
    of hours dragging scratch blocks around.
     
    And, please do not retort with a comment that only computer science kids
    need coding skills. Every single job in the world today requires some form
    of textual logic needing to be entered into a computer. Whether your talking
    about ruining Ireland's economy because of an Excel macro, performing an
    advanced search query, or simply navigating around the Internet, you need to
    be able to understand the tool that we've all willingly slaved ourselves
    with: the computer.
     
    -Eugene
     
     
    On Tuesday, 14 May 2013 21:05:52 UTC+1, Simon Lewis wrote:
     
    I was very interested in a previous message from Stephen Howell about
    Scratch on Android Tablets. This could be a deal breaker for me. I believe
    Scratch 2.0 is cloud-based but also Flash-based so that cuts out iOS. I'd
    love to hear more about this. I also need huge convincing about tablets in
    general at primary level.
     
     
     
     
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    On 14 May 2013 20:50, Mary Farmer <seb...@googlemail.com <javascript:> >
    wrote:
     
    Meant to say that we use iPads (and iPods) and love them..huge impact on
    learning engagement and creativity
     

     
    Image removed by sender.
     
    twitter: @ebd35 <https://twitter.com/#!/ebd35>
     
    blog: Adventures in Learning <http://ebd35.wordpress.com/>
     

     
    On 14 May 2013, at 17:56, Mary primary <mary....@gmail.com <javascript:> >
    wrote:
     

     
    Hi our school is exploring the purchase of either tablets
     
    Ipads or kindles to allow tbe students access to more hands on elearning
    within the classroom. I have lots of questions and would love to chat to an
    enthusiastic teacher who has the experience of using above with younger
    children from Junior infants to second class
    Thanks
    Mary Toner
     
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    Peter Lydon <peter...@iol.ie> May 15 04:16PM +0100  

    Jelly Bean (sadly) doesn¹t support Flash. ICS does support Flash.
    P
     
     

     

    "David Kearney" <dkbarb...@eircom.net> May 15 10:43PM +0100  

    Depending on the Android hardware, you can possibly self-install Flash (via
    an .apk file) on the Android from the Archived Flash Player Versions page on
    the Adobe website. To do so, please visit
    <http://forums.adobe.com/message/4675670#4675670>
    http://forums.adobe.com/message/4675670#4675670 where there are instructions
    and a video from Adobe.
    I would add the advice that, when installed, you may want to uncheck the
    "Unknown sources" option once again to keep your phone or tablet secure.
     

     
    Kind regards,
     
    David
     

     
    From: cesi...@googlegroups.com [mailto:cesi...@googlegroups.com] On
    Behalf Of Peter Lydon
    Sent: 15 Bealtaine 2013 16:16
    To: cesi...@googlegroups.com
    Subject: Re: [CESI List] using tablets or ipads or kindles in junior classes
     

     
    Jelly Bean (sadly) doesn't support Flash. ICS does support Flash.
    P
     
     
    On 15/05/2013 12:00, "Stephen Howell" <stephen....@gmail.com> wrote:
     
    In the Scratch Team's live webcast about Scratch 2.0 a few weeks ago, I
    think they said that Android tablets that some use Flash will run the new
    version but it's no optimised.
    They are planning a standalone offline version of Scratch 2.0 so it is
    possible that this will also see an Android optimised version too. I don't
    think that has been officially announced, so it may not happen.
    Alternatively, check out Snap (a HTML5 version of BYOB) that is very similar
    to Scratch (but a bit harder and more powerful). It might work better on
    tablets?
     
    Regards,
     
    Stephen
     
    On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 9:05 PM, Simon Lewis <si...@anseo.net> wrote:
     
    I was very interested in a previous message from Stephen Howell about
    Scratch on Android Tablets. This could be a deal breaker for me. I believe
    Scratch 2.0 is cloud-based but also Flash-based so that cuts out iOS. I'd
    love to hear more about this. I also need huge convincing about tablets in
    general at primary level.
     
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    http://about.me/anseo
    https://www.vizify.com/simon-lewis
     
    Anseo.net - http://www.anseo.net
    Try Mash - http://www.mash.ie
    Targetboard - http://www.targetboard.net
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    On 14 May 2013 20:50, Mary Farmer <seb...@googlemail.com> wrote:
     
    Meant to say that we use iPads (and iPods) and love them..huge impact on
    learning engagement and creativity
     

    twitter: @ebd35 <https://twitter.com/#!/ebd35>
    blog: Adventures in Learning <http://ebd35.wordpress.com/>
    <http://ebd35.wordpress.com/>
     
    On 14 May 2013, at 17:56, Mary primary <mary....@gmail.com> wrote:
     
    Hi our school is exploring the purchase of either tablets
     
    Ipads or kindles to allow tbe students access to more hands on elearning
    within the classroom. I have lots of questions and would love to chat to an
    enthusiastic teacher who has the experience of using above with younger
    children from Junior infants to second class
    Thanks
    Mary Toner
     
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    Jonesy <humphre...@gmail.com> May 15 02:13AM -0700  

    Hi all,
     
    I've recently made the move to MAC and haven't looked back since. I'd
    appreciate if anyone has any advice or suggestions of useful software or
    apps to download, specially in relation to science but anything really,
    that they might share them. I know there are plenty mac aficionados out
    there in the CESIverse.
     
    Ta in advance,
     
    Humphrey

     

    Nigel Lane <lane8...@gmail.com> May 15 04:05AM -0700  

    Hi Humphrey,
     
    I'm not currently a Mac user but over at https://deals.cultofmac.com/ they sometimes have goodoffers on hardware and software that may be of use, including some freebies. They're not focussed on education obviously but you might pick up something useful from time to time. It's worth keeping an eye on anyway.
     
    Nigel

     

    Peter Lydon <peter...@iol.ie> May 15 04:14PM +0100  

    This is a good one for dimming beyond the level Macs allow.
    http://stereopsis.com/flux/
     
     
    Screenshot Plus is great for screen grabs or part thereof.
     
    If you are thinking Pages etc I¹d suggest going with office ­ some older
    pages files won¹t open unless you have the latest version.
     
    Peter
     

     

    Mags Amond <mags....@gmail.com> May 15 09:25PM +0100  

    I just love your lofty pedagogical reason for choosing Chrome over Safari,
    Padraig. Agree. Mags
     

     

    Nigel Lane <lane8...@gmail.com> May 15 02:35PM -0700  

    I may well be going down the Mac road soon, so Padraig's list here will be handy to look back on!

     

    Mary Toner <mary....@gmail.com> May 15 08:03PM +0100  

    Re ipads kindles tablets
     
    > Group: http://groups.google.com/group/cesi-list/topics
     
    > using tablets or ipads or kindles in junior classes [9 Updates]
    > NCTE Advisors / The Interactive Whiteboard (CBI) Project - ICS, CESI and
    DEC [1 Update]
    > Mary primary <mary....@gmail.com> May 14 09:56AM -0700
     
    > Hi our school is exploring the purchase of either tablets
     
    > Ipads or kindles to allow tbe students access to more hands on elearning
    within the classroom. I have lots of questions and would love to chat to an
    enthusiastic teacher who has the experience of using above with younger
    children from Junior infants to second class
     
    > karenj...@gmail.com May 14 07:02PM +0100
     
    > Peter Lydon <peter...@iol.ie> May 14 07:27PM +0100
     
    > Wouldn't look at Kindle; Nexus 7 is a better bet although for young
    primary
    > there is still a paucity of Irish apps.
     
    > There are heaps of questions you need answers to before purchasing, not
    > least how you plan to implement them in the classroom.
     
    http://appaday.wikispaces.com/file/view/iPad+Implementation+Planning+Workshe
     
    > "Seaghan Moriarty" <sea...@digilogue.net> May 14 08:07PM +0100
     
    > I'm guessing that the Nook HD+ might soon become a great bet.
    > Its own apps, plus access to full Google Play store, way better
    resolution than iPad 'retina', 32Gb internal storage plus SD slot - When it
    becomes available in Ireland (a friend got one from the UK today for €279 I
    think) it might become useful in schools because of its premium e-reader
    pedigree.
     
    > And Peter, if you really want Jelly bean, you can add one of these:
    http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-19736_7-57570790-251/rootmynook-vs-n2a-cards-battle-of-the-nook-to-android-cards/:)
    > Seaghan Moriarty
     
    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: cesi...@googlegroups.com [mailto:cesi...@googlegroups.com] On
    Behalf Of Peter Lydon
    > Sent: 14 May 2013 19:27
    > To: cesi...@googlegroups.com
    > Subject: Re: [CESI List] using tablets or ipads or kindles in junior
    classes
     
    > Wouldn't look at Kindle; Nexus 7 is a better bet although for young
    primary kids,there is probably more iPad Apps better suited to them. That
    said, there is still a paucity of Irish apps.
     
    > There are heaps of questions you need answers to before purchasing, not
    least how you plan to implement them in the classroom.
     
    http://appaday.wikispaces.com/file/view/iPad+Implementation+Planning+Workshe
     
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    > Mary Farmer <seb...@googlemail.com> May 14 08:50PM +0100
     
    > Meant to say that we use iPads (and iPods) and love them….huge impact on
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    > Hi CESI Educational Professionals,
     
    > Rather than replying to John's (and other's) threads about Scratch 2.0,
    > here the official details of Scratch Day Ireland and invitation to you
    all:
     
    > Scratch 2.0
    > "Seamus (Navan)" <seamus...@eircom.net> May 14 01:16AM -0700
     
    > Best of luck Stephen, with Scratch Day in Tallaght IT. Great day
    guaranteed!
    > Teachers in Meath area have the option to see CoderDojo kids demonstrate
    > their Scratch projects (also App Inventor projects) at The Children's
    > Learning Festival (Féile Léinn na nÓg) from 10 am to 5pm in Navan
    Education
    > Centre. There are also 23 schools exhibiting projects. Meath Co. Library
    > will have author Oisín McGann on their stand at 11:00am and he will hold
    a
    > workshop with the kids. The Irish Wildlife Trust will have an exhibition
    > and will hold two How-To-Draw-Animals. Carol Reel and Catherine Dugdale
    > will have workshops for parents in Dyslexia and Speech therapy. There
    will
    > be other promotional stands present also. All Welcome. Admission Free.
    Read
    > Co Meath
     
    > On Friday, May 10, 2013 8:13:03 AM UTC+1, John Hegarty wrote:
     
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    Thanks for responding so promptly .Lots to research and think about.

     

    Nigel Lane <lane8...@gmail.com> May 15 03:51AM -0700  

    Are there any primary schools out there who have managed to install a reliable wirelss network? With increasing deployment of mobile devices, this is probably an issue that a lot of schools have run into or will in the future. We have a set of netbooks that we have trouble with when trying to connect wirelessly (coverage drops throughout the school) and we're exploring the idea of using tablets. However, we would ideally like to have a more robust wireless solution in place first. Is this possible for primary schools, or are we limited by our narrow bandwith?

     

    Bryan Lynch <bryanly...@gmail.com> May 15 12:24PM +0100  

    Hi Nigel
    We spent some money last year upgrading all necessary equipment, best thing
    we ever did. Everything is now wireless including printer connections. It
    also supports mobile devives that kids bring in. The one thing worth
    checking is the licences per day per device. I'm not explaining this very
    well but basically some routers will only support less than 100 devices per
    day, after that you cannot connect to them. We spent bit extra and got
    routers that go way beyond what we need.
    Call if you want to know any more.
     
    Hope this helps.
    Bryan
     
     
     
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    Killeen NS
    17557U

     

    Nigel Lane <lane8...@gmail.com> May 15 12:00PM -0700  

    Cheers Brian, must give you a call at some stage.
     
    I'm reading a lot about various solutions, Ruckus seems to be very good,
    but I'm worried that our bandwith just isn't enough to support minimum 18
    classrooms with laptops, computer room with 18 desktops, a number of SET
    rooms with desktops, 30 netbooks connecting wirelessly and, more than
    likely, a set of tablets to come.

     

    Neil O'Sullivan <nei...@innovate-together.com> May 15 04:29AM -0700  

    *Hi, This may interest some ** Language Teachers. It's seminar on using new
    technologies for language teaching on in May 23rd in Dublin see below for
    more details. *
     
    *Language on the Go* (LANGO) is an EU funded project bringing together 6
    partner organisations (in Bulgaria, Cyprus, Ireland and Malta) to explore
    opportunities offered by new technologies to encourage learners to maintain
    and build upon their exisiting language skills. The project consortium has
    developed a multilingual language tool of interactive learning approaches
    and innovative e-learning platforms to provide mobile assisted language
    learning within a framework of attractive and easy learning content.
     

     
    The tool integrates technology and uses innovative applications which do
    not require advanced computer skills on the part of the learner. This
    allows for more individualized and independent learning in terms of pace,
    time and place (home, work, on the move). The LANGO product offers users:
     

     
    - introduction and practice of frequently used language patterns
     
    - initial development of communicative skills
     
    - easy language input through real life communicative situations
     
    - entertaining learning activities to practice language patterns
     
    - expanding intercultural awareness through language learning
     

     
    Project details are available at: http://www.lango.eu
     

     
    The LANGO project will be presented at a seminar on Thursday morning, 23
    May in the *Church of Ireland College of Education*, Rathmines, Dublin 6.
    Registration opens at 09:30.
     

     
    There will be inteactive demonstrations of the technology employed as well
    as presentations on innovative language learning and intercultural
    encounter. Light refreshments will be served. There is no cost.
     

     
    To reserve a place and for further information please contact:
     
    Alan Bruce (087)249-8791 abr...@ulsystems.com
     
    Or
     
    Neil O’Sullivan (087)288-8093 nosul...@ulsystems.com
     
    This is not a sales promo.
     
    Neil

     

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