Ten members to date...How about....
JaneL
myself a bit - to ten menbers in the spacve of a few days
and - it's really nice to see the membership increasing
The thing is though that whilst I do know some of the subscribers from
another list or other lists and some know me, there's few of ye doing
much talking.
So, how about maybe ye all introoduce yourselves - me, I'm
Jane....I've got no more of a family history/genealological interest
in any of the counties that this list is for, other than my Dad is
buried in Bordwell in Laois. From the age of ten or eleven, I lived
in Laois - I went to boarding school in Kilkenny - we used to go to
places in Tiperary or Offaly dancing on a Friday or Sat night, ten +
of us in a car, back in the days when seatbelts were not compulsory
Anyway, I'm well past that ten or eleven now, I went to university and
studied Science - back then when I was 17, I wanted to be a Dr(MD)
like my Mam, back then, that was the last thing she wanted for me -
so thanks to her, I went off to Cork and studied Science and ended up
as azoological taxonomist - person who describes animals - new
animals and places them in the whole scheme of things. nice place to
set out to being a genealogist from :-)
In the meantime - whilst I was lecturing in a university, I found the
library and even though I loved what i did - discovering the library
and all the old journals, that's when an earlier love of my life began
to take over - histrory
and that was it folks. I finished lecturing about 2001 - ok, I was
only part time, but I loved what I did - totally - but then, 2001, I
had somethng else, something I'd loved even before I loved a
scientist, oh wow was i happy out. I began creating my From Ireland
web site, I had the smallest clue as to how to create web sites, but i
just marched on, a net friend went to a whole load of trouble to teach
me a bit of html, and that was it, I dived in at the deep end. It's a
habit I have with everything in life - into the deep end I go,
ignorant of everythig else around me!!
My biggest problem - short attention span - I can dive into something,
and then find I don't have the answer nad then I can just disappear,
zap, I'm gone - until suddenly, sometime ages later I may find
somethng that has to do with that other something I couldn't answer,
then I come back
Anyway, there are a few subscribers to this group whose email addies I
regognise immediately and then there are a few which I don't think
I've ever seen before
Would any of you like to try and tell us a bit about who you are
loooking for or yourselves
Jane
Mau...@aol.com
So, how about maybe ye all introoduce yourselves - me, I'm
Jane....I've got no more of a family history/genealological interest
in any of the counties that this list is for, other than my Dad is
buried in Bordwell in Laois. From the age of ten or eleven, I lived
in Laois - I went to boarding school in Kilkenny - we used to go to
places in Tiperary or Offaly dancing on a Friday or Sat night, ten +
of us in a car, back in the days when seatbelts were not compulsory
Anyway, I'm well past that ten or eleven now, I went to university and
studied Science - back then when I was 17, I wanted to be a Dr(MD)
like my Mam, back then, that was the last thing she wanted for me -
so thanks to her, I went off to Cork and studied Science and ended up
as azoological taxonomist - person who describes animals - new
animals and places them in the whole scheme of things. nice place to
set out to being a genealogist from :-)
chhv86b
Hi everyone. My name is Susie and I live in Kansas, USA. I grew up
in a family that "emphasized" its family history, but the problem was
it was an oral history not a documented one. My great grandmother,
Ellen Short Jenkinson, lived to be 105 so she had an impact on my
father's family during their youth. I grew up with Ellen "sayings"
and "doings" such as if you do a kindness it will return to you
threefold by sunset.
I love history and got a degree in it and taught history in the public
school system. I tried to find info on the family off and on when I
had time, but that was in the days before computers--you wrote
letters, waited and hoped they would be answered. All my letters to
the USA archives would come back saying they couldn't find my ship the
Olive Branch, I received letters from various people, but none were
reseaching my family or just weren't interested in family research. I
got married, started a family and quit teaching for a while. When my
kids all were in grade school, I started working part time teaching
college level history courses and in my "spare" time continued looking
for my ship and info on my family.
Then computers entered the picture and I found a couple of cousins who
were not only related, but also into family history. They too had
been looking for our family and the elusive Olive Branch. My
grandfather was born in Brooklyn NY in 1852 so at least we had
something to key on. Long story short, after about twenty-five yrs of
searching off and on, I found the resources of the LDS local family
history center. I finally found the family in Brooklyn in the 1850
census under the name of "Jenks" not Jenkinson. Because they were in
Brooklyn, I made the mistake of assuming that they came into NY. So I
started ordering film and doing a line by line search for them on NY
passenger records film by film. No luck. It became a big thing when
I went to the LDS--maybe today "my ship would come in". After doing
this for almost 2 yrs, I had managed to look at every film from 1848
to 1852 line by line. Found lot of interesting things, but not my
family. Needless to say, I was discouraged. Then one day, one of the
gals at the LDS said, a lot of the Irish went to Boston--why don't you
try there? I laughed and said, but they are in Brooklyn in 1850.
Finally as a last resort, I tried Boston--guess what, the first roll
of film I ordered, starting in Jan 1850 I found them--listed under the
name of Heikens on the passenger list. There was no doubt that this
was them, because of family lore there was a daughter Jane who died
on the crossing, the first names all matched and the ages were close
enough to what I had. Can't even begin to tell you how I felt after
30 years except to tell you that I cried and laughed at the same time!
The point to this long oration is NEVER GIVE UP THE SEARCH!!!! They
are there and you can find them if you just have faith. Here's the
real unbelievable thing, we had been planning a trip to Boston as a
college graduation gift for my daughter who wanted to go there. I
found the passage record about a month before we were to leave. So
when we got to Boston, I got to retrace their steps from the Boston
harbor as best I could, took the MTA ferry and landed at the "old"
harbor and walked to the old customs house,(155 yrs later). The hours
I spent over the years were worth it--can't tell you how it felt.
Now I am trying to prove the rest of the family lore about John
Jenkinson being a tax collector/rent collector, paying for those who
couldn't pay during the famine and finding both he and Ellens
parents. I know I will find this, it's just a matter of when.
Susie
Susie
Alan & Harriet
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From: "JaneL" <lyons...@iol.ie>
To: "Carlow Kildare Kilkenny Laois Offaly Ireland Genealogy"
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Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 4:59 PM
Subject: Ten members to date...How about....
>
> We've gone from me being the only member of this list, talking to
> myself a bit - to ten menbers in the spacve of a few days
>
> and - it's really nice to see the membership increasing
>
Hi All, Although I have asked Jane a couple of questions and have gotten
very good answers I might add, basically I am a reader on lists and not a
writer.
I have been a semi serious compiler of genealogical information for 9
years. I am a semi retired farmer(means I have white hair). I am the last
farmer in my Tomlinson family.
My family were farmers in county Laois 250 years ago and maybe even farther
back. They came to the United States in about 1830 from the Athy, Ballynan
Area. My GG grandfather Michael was a child and grew up in New York state.
He started married life and manhood in Wisconsin and moved to Iowa about
1862 where he died in 1866 at age 46. I still live near his original home in
Iowa.
My greatest difficulty with genealogy is understanding locations and the
intertwining of family relationships(or lack of) in Ireland. I have bits and
pieces of information from several sources connecting my family with the
British Royal Family but historically it makes no sense at all. One such
piece of information states that an ancestor was good friends with King
Charles and he was exiled to a penal colony, the English Pale, in Ireland,
then the family save but one were killed by Cromwell, the one male survivor
having hid out with the O'Dwyer family. Matthew Tomlinson did escort King
Charles to the gallows and was his friend, he was one of the governors of
Ireland during the Oliver Cromwell years. He was exiled to his estate in
Yorkshire England for Regicide (he was lucky one of the trial judges was
his brother in law). I can only find two daughters and one of them didn't
get married. So much for that.The English Pale in my understanding was an
area of English settlers that was protected by the crown not a penal colony.
Lastly the family being slaughtered by Cromwell, that could be possible if
you disregard the first part of the statement about a relationship with King
Charles. One other tidbit is my family doesn't appear to have been hardcore
protestant as two of my GG Grandfathers older brothers married Irish
catholic girls this would have put them at odds with both religions in some
quarters. This post is getting to long so I will close. While chasing
information is both fascinating and frustrating it certainly is satisfying
when you finally run across that tidbit that makes it all make sense. Thanks
Alan
Geraldine Clarke
Just to introduce myself, it was my sister who started this genealogy lark when she got my Mum before she died and after Mum had a stroke to write down all the information she could remember on a roll of wallpaper. I have been researching this for about 5 years now.
My grandmother on my Mother's side and my GGrandfather on my Father's side were English who came to Ireland in the late 1800's and settled here. Granny married TWO Irishmen. The first a Ryan from Dublin or Tipperary, and secondly Dwyer from Laois. I cannot find out too much about the Dwyers. Back as far as the 1860's when there were 3 sons born to Michael Dwyer. One stayed on the farm in Farnans, the second emigrated to Canada, and my grandfather moved to Dublin. Robert, who stayed on the farm, was in regular contact with my mother and his grandchildren kept in touch. Arthur, who went to Canada, lost contact with the family.
About 2 years ago I was messing around in Ancestry on the Dwyer message board and found a post that had been posted about 2 -3 years previously about a William Arthur Dwyer, who came from Farnans County, Leinster. That was definitely mine and when I e-mailed Moira, she was delighted and excited to hear from me.
Anyway to cut a long story short, Moira and her husband came to Ireland last October. All of the second cousins met and we took a trip down to the old house, where we were welcomed royally. It was a lovely day which we all enjoyed very much.
About myself, my husband and I ran our own Nursery for nearly 20 years growing Alpines and Rockery plants. we gave it up in 2000 and I am now working in a local supermarket full time. As I work Saturdays, it can be quite hard to find time time do research, even though I only live 20 miles north of Dublin, on the East Coast.
Most of my ancestors are Church of Ireland, although the Ryans, or some of them are not. It was a mixed marriage and some were CoI and some RC. You don't want to know how many John Ryans there are!!
I cannot find any of them in the GRO records in the time they were supposed to be born. Don't know where to look now.
However you never know what might happen.
Geraldine
Marie
I'm Marie and I've been finding out about my family history for around
9 years. I got started on this when my mum was suffering from
Alzheimer's. She could not remember any day to day activities -
howver, her long term memory was really good and she loved to talk
about her early childhood days. I knew nothing about my family beyond
my grandparents - but when I started to drive my mum around her old
childhood haunts, I got really interested!
My family have lived in Scotland for about 120 - 150 years, and I have
been able to find out lots about them in Scotland. However, all my
family lines go back to Ireland and I have started to find out more
about their history there. My father's family were in County Laois
from at least 1820- Muldowney - and I have been over to look at parish
records and visit areas they lived in.
I intend to visit again at the end of April - and have loads of places
and information to check out. There are other family names in Laois -
Brennan, Nash, Daly to name a few!
I have found the info on Jane's site invaluable - and I look forward
to finding out more!
Marie
Barbs
My name is Barbara from Oklahoma. I have spent time back and forth
from Oklahoma and California over the years. I was in California when
I learned my mother had Alzheimers so I moved back to care for her
and
after her passing Dad's health went downhill so I stayed on to care
for
him.
I was in business for 20 years then moved to California after my
divorce.
I have retired and it seems that caregiving does not such good things
to
one's immune system so am not in the best of health myself but glad
to have the genealogy to keep me occupied. I work 2 days a week at
a job that lets me go to the movies so am glad to have that bit of
work
to do as I am a real movie buff. I have three grown children (spread
all
over the country - LA, TX and NY), 3 grandchildren and FOUR great
grandchildren!!! I had custody of two of the great grandchildren for
the
last year until recently but I see them often. I do miss them even
though
they were certainly a handful. :-) They are just one and two now and
were
VERY premature babies. One born at 26 weeks 2 lbs and the little one
born
10 mos later at 24 weeks and 1 1/2 lbs. They've been through a lot
but are
doing well now. They are delightful!
I too, inherited my love of genealogy from my mother and picked up
the
torch after she died. She, of course, had to do everything the hard
way
while I have the benefit of the Internet.
I became fascinated with mother's letters and work she had done to
date
on family and began to try to solve a couple of mysteries she had
been
stuck on and became addicted myself!
I love History and was fascinated with several lines of family. If
one's
immigrants arrived in America between 1620 and 1700 it's possible to
have
many very interesting threads with the most fascinating histories and
stories.
I became fixated on the DELAUNEs because my immigrant on my
father's side was from Ireland but family lore said we were
originally
french. Therefore I became acquainted with my French Huguenot
relatives
who fled to England for their lives in 1572 and then one mysterious
DELAUNE
who ended up in Ireland (who is the missing link as far as
documentation
goes). There's also the obligatory Cherokee Princess that I have to
locate
which I think is legend as it seems everyone in Oklahoma has to have
a
Cherokee Princess in their line somewhere! :-)
Anyway, I'm glad to have found this site and Jane, you are amazing
with
all of the knowledge you have and I have found the cermetaries
interesting
also though my timeframe of 1662-1710 is difficult to find the
information
I need but I discover a nugget now and then.
Barbara (Barbs)
OKC, OK, USA
bde...@cox.net
kitty
I've just this minute joined your list but have been visiting "From
Ireland" and recommending it to others for years.
I live in Melbourne Australia where I was born a long time ago, but
have four Irish families in my background, all from the Carlow,Laois,
Kildare area. The names are Germaine, Fishbourne, Meredith and Hyland.
I've been to Ireland four times and have written a book about the
Germaines and another about my Scottish (Cruikshank) forebears. I
found lots of live Germaines and a couple of Fishbournes still around
and usually stay with them when I come to Ireland.
I'm an Arts graduate, trained originally as a librarian, but have
worked since then in a range of jobs, the last one managing some local
government services. Since retiring in 1995 I've written a Masters
thesis (not on family history) and done lots of family history. I plan
to live long enough to write about my Fishbourne family and to find
out more about my Hylands!
I've had a lot of joy out of the Registry of Deeds and locally, at the
LDS library where I volunteer, am regarded as something of an expert
(???) on this topic. I keep telling people Irish family history isn't
as hard as you think, just dive in and give it a go (especially if
your name isn't Kelly or Murphy).
Finally, Is there a place for photos on this site? I have some which
could be of interest, I'll have a look for them.
Thank you Jane for starting this site, I look forward to watching it
grow.
Kitty
Mau...@aol.com
Finally, Is there a place for photos on this site? I have some which
could be of interest, I'll have a look for them.
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Kaye Cole
Jane Lyons
Nice to meet you :-) and I hope as we grow (you're postitive thinking,
aren't you! - but then so am I - we will grow!)
I'm going to try to stick to things about this list that you've commented on
here, cos, I could take off a bit about other things
I've a Hyland friend, nothng to do with the Portarlington Hylands which I
imagine are the ones you are interested in, and maybe, given what I'm
reading in to what you're saying here about being an LDS volunteer - you've
probably got all the Hyland info from civil records. Anyway, it's just a
surname that whenever I see it anywhere in Laois records I tend to 'collect'
/ transcribe into whatever file I am creating.
The rest of your surnames are all wonderful in that they belong to the
unusual group, aren't they?
The group has a place for photos
You go to the group page at :
http://groups.google.com/group/carlow-kildare-kilkenny-laois-offaly-ireland-genealogy
and to the RHS of that page you'll see a 'files' link - I haven't yet worked
out whether or not you have to be logged on as a Google member.
Anyway, click on files and then an 'upload a new file' icon appears.
So far, all I've uploaded are images, scanned maps and photographs, but it
works grand
Jane
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From: "kitty" <Kaye...@optusnet.com.au>
To: "Carlow Kildare Kilkenny Laois Offaly Ireland Genealogy"
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ChrissyC
Georgia, USA. I am 4th generation Irish on both sides of my family.
I am the eldest of 13 children and am originally from Omaha,
Nebraska. My husband, Roy, and I have been raising two grand sons (6
& 12) for the last five years. That keeps us busy and somewhat young!
I work for the local county government making maps for the public and
private sectors. I have been interested in genealogy for many years
but became more active with the advent of the internet. I also hunt
cemeteries and photograph grave stones for descendants. I found Jane
on the Kilkenny list and after emailing back and to she recently told
me about this site. So, now I have joined and am happy to be here.
John Curran & Mary Lawlor Curran were both born around 1810 in an area
the family has always referred to as 'Cretty Yard' in Castlecomer. I
have parish records on the family from Castlecomer/Clogh (they are
listed there as living in Cloneen on the Griffiths 1850 Valuation)
from 1840-1855. They immigrated to the US in 1863, John and wife,
Mary along with children Patrick, Catherine, Anne, Lawrence, Michael
and Mary. John's brother, Bernard Curran, and family came with them.
I would like to trace my mother's family back to this place in
Ireland. Jane has already provided me with some photos of Curran
headstones - thanks AGAIN, Jane!
On a sentimental note, this past September, 19 of us family members
took our dad to Ireland for 9 days. We all had a wonderful time and
several of us plan to go back next year. We spent a brief time in the
Cretty Yard area and found a cemetery that had some Curran names in it
(picture 19 of us prowling through the cemeteries in the area looking
for a headstone with the name Curran on it!). Our mother had passed
away three years ago but we took a lock of her hair with us and placed
it in this cemetery. We also brought some sod back to place on her
grave in the states. It was as close as we could get given the short
time we had, but she would have loved what we did.
Chrissy Chapman
Jane Lyons
I wasn't meaning to try and get you to join this group or anything like that
when I put those Curran photos in the files section, it was just that for
the moment this is the easiest place for me to upload a photo to where I
know it can be seen or downloaded at it' original size!
Having said that though, you're very welcome :-)
Your story here is really nice and I went out to the car to get that map I
spoke to you about just to see if I could see which graveyard it may have
been that you were in. The thing is though that while the graveyards in an
area are supposed to be marked on these ordnance survey maps, they're not
all marked, specially the older ones. Tha's something I've only copped on
to in the last few months or so. There are graveyards listed in the
Griffiths which aren't marked on these maps but which may be mentioned in
the Archaeological inventories which are being published county by county.
Just in case anyone wonders, I posted on the Kilkenny list that I had put
Durrow gravestones on line, Chrissy told me that her family were fro
Crettyard and asked had I ever been up that way looking at gravestones, I
told her I honestly didn't know cos I have so much that I haven't had time
to index yet, she wrote back that she totally understood as she does
graveyards too, then I looked at my maps and realised I would be going up
and down from Dublin to Kilkenny along the road that Crettyard is on
regularly over the next few months and then when I was on my way back home
to Dublin the other day the weather was beautiful and I stopped at some of
the graveyards I had marked.........and I found some Currans. There was one
graveyard where I took photos of Curran headstones only so I was able to
identify these immediately and put them in our files page for Chrissy to
pick up - and I told her to watch out for when I say I've finished
Castlecomer.
There you go, and Jack - I've got another Langton stone for you - well, it's
another family stone but one of them married a Langton - in Dunmore
Back to the subject line - I've just scanned my OS map for the area with
Castlecomer, Clogh and Crettyard on it - and loaded that to the file page.
So, if you'd like Chrissy you can take a look and you'lll see where I've
marked graveyards or churches and maybe you'll see some others. Crettyard
itself is bang on the county line. Castlecomer is at the LHS corner as you
look at the map and if you just scroll straight up from there you'll see
Clogh and then across from Clogh - should still be on your screen without
scrolling you'll see a cross which I've circled and no real townland name
close by. Oops, just noticed Cloneen bridge is just below Clogh . Scroll a
bit across and down from there and you'll see Moneenroe, Crettyard Bridge,
Railroad and then Crettyard itself is actually on the other side of the
county line.
Moneenroe is the place I took those photos, I did think it was there, but
now I know for certain. Then, looking at the map and scolling downa bit
more, there's a graveyard in the area of Kilgory which I haven't marked.
Graveyards in the area then
1. Catholic in Castlecomer - and like i've said I have two other Curran
photos from there for you
2. Protestant just a bit outside Castlecomer - you can't see that one any
more on my map cos there's a circle and an X through the circle to tell me
I've finished with it.
3. Protestant in Castlecomer itself - lots of old stones there which can't
be read, I've photographed that graveyard
4. Moneenroe RC graveyard - took the two Curran photos there, lost of people
from Railroad don't remember noticing Cloneen being mentioned on the
headstones, lots from Crettyard - the two Currans were in an older graveyard
across the road from the Curch and no Currans in the new graveyard around
the church
5. That church I've marked with no name - maybe it'll have a graveyard
around it - but it's actually in Laois now that I'm looking at the image
6. Clogh which I haven't gotten to yet
7. Kilgory - Laois again
Do you remember what the graveyard looked like, or if it was Moneenroe where
I got those photos from? - and I can imagine that if any of the locals saw
19 of you looking for stones they'd have been amazed!
Take care,
Jane
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From: "ChrissyC" <cma...@btconline.net>
To: "Carlow Kildare Kilkenny Laois Offaly Ireland Genealogy"
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Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 4:53 PM
Subject: Re: Ten members to date...How about....
>
> Good morning, all! I am Chrissy Chapman and live in southeast
> Georgia, USA. I am 4th generation Irish on both sides of my family.
<snip>We spent a brief time in the
Jane Lyons
then the one with the Langton surname in Dunmore RC graveyard and I'm
uploading them to the file page right now.
The Curran stones are probably of no use or relationship to Chrissy as one
of the plots is just remembering a family fromo Upperhills. The other is
for a man called John Curran from Castlecomer. I guess it just depends on
how common the surname is or was in the area and the county back then.
The stone with the Langton surname on it is interesting in that there are so
many surnames on the stone. It begins with O'Brien from Jenkinstown, then
you have the Campion who were Mr. O'Briens in laws, aftert that it's O'Neill
with no inkling as to how the O'Neills /Campions and O'Briens connect cos
Mrs. O'Neill was a Carroll before she got married and then one of the
O'Neill family married a Langton and another a Bergin.
Anyway, photos are up now and I've got to go walk my Maggie and then work
Jane
Chrissy Chapman
Jane, I surely didn't think you were trying to get me to join the group -
however, had you told me about it earlier, I would have been here sooner!
Regardless, I am happy to be here now. Jack, thanks for the nice welcome
note!
Thank you, Jane, for scanning and posting the OS map of the Crettyard area.
Now I can see how Cloneen relates to Crettyard and Clogh. I should have
ordered or purchased in Ireland my own OS map of the area before we came
over. I want to be clear that we were probably not able to place mom's lock
of hair in the actual cemetery where her ancestors were buried but we got
awfully close! One does the best one can until one learns better and now
you've shown me better! I will send you the photos of the cemetery we found
in a separate email so as not to clog up the group. My Curran's were
Catholic without a doubt. John Curran and family finally settled in a very
rural area and there was no Church so he regularly hosted Mass at his home
until one was built - even then he deeded some of his land for it.
One more question. Let me be clear. The Google adds that when clicked and
used (and which will help fund your work) are on the From Ireland site at
http://www.from-ireland.net/ . Is that correct? I hope so because I have
been clicking them daily!
warm regards,
Chrissy