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From: Robert Dierker <bobnowi...@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: How to link carism and environmentalism
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Hi Again.
I've had a few discussions off line and I am now surprised by the people
who would read posts on a forum called "carfree" and say - "oh, but I'm not
anti-car, there are just too many of them and people don't follow the law."
To say that one is not "anti-car" is to condone the car system or to
agree with it.
The automobile system of transportation was set up by people who made their
system profitable by destroying the previous systems. Nearly every city in
North America had streetcars. This act was perpetrated on our cultures at
the beginning of the 20th century. The old system of street cars was destroyed
systematically to create their market. As car systems promised to make big
money for private interests anti trust *convictions* were recorded but the
laws and punishments of the day were not enough to stop the process.
The system of streetcars may have needed modernizing but cars was not
what we wanted at the time. People of all classes used this system and it
worked very well. It was not particularly polluting, dangerous, or
restrictive.
I assume "anti-car" to mean "against car systems in an urban setting."
If you are an environmentalist but not "anti-car" please explain why.
Thanks,
Robert.
On Friday, October 12, 2012 12:41:49 PM UTC-7, Robert Dierker wrote:
>
> Hello.
>
> I volunteer for several environmental groups in Vancouver Canada. One
> thing they seem to have in common is a belief that the use of cars is a
> necessary evil within their organizations. I can send many examples, if
> requested, but I'm sure you've all seen it.
>
> Canada and the US are stuck in a well orchestrated car culture - no
> doubt about it - and the natural resources of Canada are now hijacked by
> foreign corporate giants. Their government lobby efforts and PR machines
> are in full force here.
>
> My great concern, now, is that our new batch of young
> environmentalists can't leave their cars behind. This is not
> particularly new, but seems to be more pronounced than it used to be.
> Our environmental movements can't move forward with this kind of base
> line.
>
> I have no particular influence within Vancouver's environmental movement,
> however I want to affect this one component of change: I want these
> groups to weigh the value of each member's opinion and motivation with
> respect to their personal activities with cars.
>
> Before I go I would like to remind any reader that Canada gets REALLY
> cold. These groups have to define models that will work in an
> individualistic, affluent society at -25c.
>
> How do I do this? Please help.
>
> Robert.
> 604-440-0860
>
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t>and motivation with respect to their personal activities with cars.<br><b=
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r><font size=3D"4"> <font size=3D"4">How do I do this? Pl=
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