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From: Aaron Thomas <aaronkmtho...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 08:06:32 +0100
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Subject: Re: [carfree_network] With gas prices major problem: opportunity for
 carfree program
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Hi Doug!

I agree.

When I say segregated, *segregated *is what I mean! *No contact*.

In Sweden this can often take the form of entirely separated bikeways far
from roads.

Your attention to terms is therefore crucial. What terms can we develop
that express the ideas we mean?

Surely we cannot go straight for a 100% carfree world, not least because
car-like vehicles are needed for emergency services.

With good wishes,
Aaron

On 29 February 2012 07:48, <jag...@riseup.net> wrote:

> Hi Aaron,
>
> Segregated cycling is debatable. Usually the cycle lanes provided are
> cluttered with street furniture, discontinuous, or transfer the problem to
> shared route pedestrians. Sometimes too drivers park on or crash onto
> segregated lanes. There is the feeling that segregation is often used to
> prevent cyclists from getting in the way of fast motorised traffic, thus
> threatening the common law right of cyclists to use public roads. Already
> in Britain cyclists are banned from some sections of major public highways
> and tunnels.
>
> Surely the aim instead should be to reduce the danger presented to
> vulnerable road users by traffic which is presently permitted to travel
> too fast and too carelessly? Car free cities and areas of course virtually
> remove the problem.
>
> Doug.
>
>
>
> > Hi everyone!
> > Is it not RIGHT NOW the best time to make a clear presentation or
> summary
> > of the major action points for carfree cities and areas? Gas prices are
> causing headaches and otherwise unsolvable problems for both private
> citizens and their communities, cities, regions, etc.
> > What I would propose:
> > 1. Make cycling 100% safe where possible, by creating segregated lanes
> without any contact with motorised traffic.
> > 2. Make walking 100% safe with segregated lanes/paths, etc.
> > 3. Lower the price of public transport especially when it is run on
> electricity or other sustainable energy forms.
> > 4. Learn about the benefits of compact living for citizens and their
> cities, regions, etc:
> > - Better economies at all levels
> > - Better air quality and environment
> > - Better health
> > - More room for nature to thrive
> > - Less energy used
> > - Less greenhouse gases emitted
> > - etc!
> > with good wishes,
> > Aaron
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Hi Doug!<div><br></div><div>I agree.</div><div><br></div><div>When I say se=
gregated, <b>segregated </b>is what I mean! <b>No contact</b>.</div><div><b=
r></div><div>In Sweden this can often take the form of entirely separated b=
ikeways far from roads.=A0</div>

<div><br></div><div>Your attention to terms is therefore crucial. What term=
s can we develop that express the ideas we mean?</div><div><br></div><div>S=
urely we cannot go straight for a 100% carfree world, not least because car=
-like vehicles are needed for emergency services.</div>

<div><br></div><div>With good wishes,</div><div>Aaron</div><div><br><div cl=
ass=3D"gmail_quote">On 29 February 2012 07:48,  <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:jag...@riseup.net">jag...@riseup.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>=
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

Hi Aaron,<br>
<br>
Segregated cycling is debatable. Usually the cycle lanes provided are<br>
cluttered with street furniture, discontinuous, or transfer the problem to<=
br>
shared route pedestrians. Sometimes too drivers park on or crash onto<br>
segregated lanes. There is the feeling that segregation is often used to<br=
>
prevent cyclists from getting in the way of fast motorised traffic, thus<br=
>
threatening the common law right of cyclists to use public roads. Already<b=
r>
in Britain cyclists are banned from some sections of major public highways<=
br>
and tunnels.<br>
<br>
Surely the aim instead should be to reduce the danger presented to<br>
vulnerable road users by traffic which is presently permitted to travel<br>
too fast and too carelessly? Car free cities and areas of course virtually<=
br>
remove the problem.<br>
<br>
Doug.<br>
<div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><br>
<br>
<br>
&gt; Hi everyone!<br>
&gt; Is it not RIGHT NOW the best time to make a clear presentation or<br>
summary<br>
&gt; of the major action points for carfree cities and areas? Gas prices ar=
e<br>
causing headaches and otherwise unsolvable problems for both private<br>
citizens and their communities, cities, regions, etc.<br>
&gt; What I would propose:<br>
&gt; 1. Make cycling 100% safe where possible, by creating segregated lanes=
<br>
without any contact with motorised traffic.<br>
&gt; 2. Make walking 100% safe with segregated lanes/paths, etc.<br>
&gt; 3. Lower the price of public transport especially when it is run on<br=
>
electricity or other sustainable energy forms.<br>
&gt; 4. Learn about the benefits of compact living for citizens and their<b=
r>
cities, regions, etc:<br>
&gt; - Better economies at all levels<br>
&gt; - Better air quality and environment<br>
&gt; - Better health<br>
&gt; - More room for nature to thrive<br>
&gt; - Less energy used<br>
&gt; - Less greenhouse gases emitted<br>
&gt; - etc!<br>
&gt; with good wishes,<br>
&gt; Aaron<br>
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Replies are sent to the author of the message.<br>
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=3Den?hl=3Den</a><br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
</font></span></blockquote></div><br></div>

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