Another 1,000,000+ Guns Added to American Homes in August, Crime Rates Falling
Devils_Advocate
http://www.ammoland.com/2009/09/04/1000000-guns-added-to-american-homes/
1,000,000+ Guns Added to American Homes in August
Friday, September 4th, 2009 at 11:54 am
Another 1,000,000+ Guns Added to American Homes in August
Background Checks On Firearm Sales Up 12% In August.
Americans buy 1,074,757+ guns in August 2009
Washington, DC --(AmmoLand.com)- Data released by the FBI�s National
Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) reported 1,074,757
checks in August 2009, a 12.3 percent increase from the 956,872 reported
in August 2008.
So far that is roughly 9,076,205 gun bought this year! The total is
probably more as NICS background checks may cover the purchase of more
than one gun at a time.
This latest jump in background checks show that Americans are solidly
in-favor of keeping firearms in the hands of law abiding citizens and
clearly shows that proponents claiming the USA wants more gun control
are blatantly wrong.
Gun Owners Say No to Gun Conrtol with their Wallets
The increased trend of Americans buying firearms at a record pace was
once thought to be a one time fluke caused by fears of the new Obama
administration expressed lust for more gun control. But now 10 months in
and the wrongly named �fear buying� has now become the norm as law
abiding US citizen exercise their constitutional right to keep and bear
firearms by the millions every month with no sign of slowing down.
The bulk of the buying has been concentrated on the following types of
guns or calibers:
* Semi Auto Handguns
* Revolvers
* Ar15s and all variants of the Black Rifle
* .50 Caliber
1.17 Guns for Each Person
Conservative estimates of legally owned guns in the USA put the number
at 355,029,250 million guns in the USA. That is 1.17 guns for everyone
in the USA and if you listen to the liberal press they are all assault
weapons. God bless anyone who tries to invade the USA�
Crime Rates Falling
The most stunning in all of this is that we have not seen an increase in
crime, murder rates have fallen across most of the USA and Americans
have shown that they can be trusted with firearms ownership. This is
directly in contrast to what the national media and gun control
supporters would have us believe.
Gun owners you are clearly the majority!
edi...@netpath.net
wrote:
> Gun owners you are clearly the majority!
Especially in Red Nation - where it's the rare home that DOESN'T have
a gun, and someone experienced with it, in it.
Red Nation is where women brag about their first deer or their
husbands giving them a classic out-of-production Browning shotgun for
their anniversary. I've listened to both. Red Nation is where girls
are proficient rifle shots before old enough for a driver's license;
I've watched them.
http://www.Internet-Gun-Show.com - your source for hard-to-find stuff!
No-bammer
> See charts and video here:
> http://www.ammoland.com/2009/09/04/1000000-guns-added-to-american-homes/
>
> 1,000,000+ Guns Added to American Homes in August
> Friday, September 4th, 2009 at 11:54 am
>
> Another 1,000,000+ Guns Added to American Homes in August
> Background Checks On Firearm Sales Up 12% In August.
> Americans buy 1,074,757+ guns in August 2009
>
> Washington, DC --(AmmoLand.com)- Data released by the FBI�s National
> Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) reported 1,074,757
> checks in August 2009, a 12.3 percent increase from the 956,872 reported
> in August 2008.
>
> So far that is roughly 9,076,205 gun bought this year! The total is
> probably more as NICS background checks may cover the purchase of more
> than one gun at a time.
Yes, here in Illinois, I usually buy 3 at a time so the 1,000,000 number
is probably low.
>
> This latest jump in background checks show that Americans are solidly
> in-favor of keeping firearms in the hands of law abiding citizens and
> clearly shows that proponents claiming the USA wants more gun control
> are blatantly wrong.
>
> Gun Owners Say No to Gun Conrtol with their Wallets
> The increased trend of Americans buying firearms at a record pace was
> once thought to be a one time fluke caused by fears of the new Obama
> administration expressed lust for more gun control. But now 10 months in
> and the wrongly named �fear buying� has now become the norm as law
> abiding US citizen exercise their constitutional right to keep and bear
> firearms by the millions every month with no sign of slowing down.
>
> The bulk of the buying has been concentrated on the following types of
> guns or calibers:
>
> * Semi Auto Handguns
> * Revolvers
> * Ar15s and all variants of the Black Rifle
> * .50 Caliber
>
> 1.17 Guns for Each Person
> Conservative estimates of legally owned guns in the USA put the number
> at 355,029,250 million guns in the USA. That is 1.17 guns for everyone
> in the USA and if you listen to the liberal press they are all assault
> weapons. God bless anyone who tries to invade the USA�
Morton Davis
<edi...@netpath.net> wrote in message
news:3af61090-51f1-4487...@j4g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 27, 1:48 am, "Devils_Advocate" <Devils_Advocate@devils_.xxx>
wrote:
> Gun owners you are clearly the majority!
Especially in Red Nation - where it's the rare home that DOESN'T have
a gun, and someone experienced with it, in it.
Red Nation is where women brag about their first deer or their
husbands giving them a classic out-of-production Browning shotgun for
their anniversary. I've listened to both. Red Nation is where girls
are proficient rifle shots before old enough for a driver's license;
I've watched them.
------------------
A friend's 9 year old daughter is a crack rifle shot. So is her 8 year old
sister. They fire cut down .22s They're 6 year old brother isn't bad though.
Devils_Advocate
> Devils_Advocate wrote:
>
>> See charts and video here:
>> http://www.ammoland.com/2009/09/04/1000000-guns-added-to-american-hom
>> es/
>>
>> 1,000,000+ Guns Added to American Homes in August
>> Friday, September 4th, 2009 at 11:54 am
>>
>> Another 1,000,000+ Guns Added to American Homes in August
>> Background Checks On Firearm Sales Up 12% In August.
>> Americans buy 1,074,757+ guns in August 2009
>>
>> Washington, DC --(AmmoLand.com)- Data released by the FBI�s National
>> Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) reported 1,074,757
>> checks in August 2009, a 12.3 percent increase from the 956,872
>> reported in August 2008.
>>
>> So far that is roughly 9,076,205 gun bought this year! The total is
>> probably more as NICS background checks may cover the purchase of
>> more than one gun at a time.
>
> Yes, here in Illinois, I usually buy 3 at a time so the 1,000,000
> number is probably low.
LOL
You can own guns in IL?
No-bammer
> No-bammer <no-b...@fgi.net> wrote :
>
>
>>Devils_Advocate wrote:
>>
>>
>>>See charts and video here:
>>>http://www.ammoland.com/2009/09/04/1000000-guns-added-to-american-hom
>>>es/
>>>
>>>1,000,000+ Guns Added to American Homes in August
>>>Friday, September 4th, 2009 at 11:54 am
>>>
>>>Another 1,000,000+ Guns Added to American Homes in August
>>>Background Checks On Firearm Sales Up 12% In August.
>>>Americans buy 1,074,757+ guns in August 2009
>>>
>>>Washington, DC --(AmmoLand.com)- Data released by the FBI�s National
>>>Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) reported 1,074,757
>>>checks in August 2009, a 12.3 percent increase from the 956,872
>>>reported in August 2008.
>>>
>>>So far that is roughly 9,076,205 gun bought this year! The total is
>>>probably more as NICS background checks may cover the purchase of
>>>more than one gun at a time.
>>
>>Yes, here in Illinois, I usually buy 3 at a time so the 1,000,000
>>number is probably low.
>
>
> LOL
>
> You can own guns in IL?
>
We sure can. Ww can buy handguns or long guns 3 at a time as often as we
want. We can also carry a gun in our unlocked glove compartment or console.
RichTravsky
>
> Devils_Advocate wrote:
>
> > See charts and video here:
> > http://www.ammoland.com/2009/09/04/1000000-guns-added-to-american-homes/
> >
> > 1,000,000+ Guns Added to American Homes in August
> > Friday, September 4th, 2009 at 11:54 am
> >
> > Another 1,000,000+ Guns Added to American Homes in August
> > Background Checks On Firearm Sales Up 12% In August.
> > Americans buy 1,074,757+ guns in August 2009
> >
> > Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) reported 1,074,757
> > checks in August 2009, a 12.3 percent increase from the 956,872 reported
> > in August 2008.
> >
> > So far that is roughly 9,076,205 gun bought this year! The total is
> > probably more as NICS background checks may cover the purchase of more
> > than one gun at a time.
>
> Yes, here in Illinois, I usually buy 3 at a time so the 1,000,000 number
How many can you use at a time?
RT
Jamir Quay
But not in certain municipalities.
http://crime.about.com/od/gunlawsbystate/p/gunlaws_il.htm
http://www.myillinoisdefenselawyer.com/2009/06/17/chicago-handgun-ban-still-in-effect/
Chicago Handgun Ban Still In Effect
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Despite a challenge from the NRA the handgun ban in Chicago was upheld
by a U.S. Court of Appeals panel last week according to the Daily
Herald. This means it is still against the law to possess a handgun
within the city limits. While a similar ban was struck down in
Washington D.C. earlier this year, there will be no changes to the city
ordinance in Chicago.
The 2nd Amendment of the U.S. Constitution guarantees the right for
citizens to bear arms. This Amendment is constantly being disputed and
defended by different groups across the country. The National Rifle
Association (NRA) is one of the groups that works tirelessly for gun rights.
The NRA challenged the legality of the municipal ban following a similar
ban being struck down in the nation�s capital. The difference: Chicago
is subordinate to the State of Illinois while D.C. is directly beneath
the laws of the nation.
In 1982 a similar ruling in Illinois upheld a ban in Morton Grove. This
ruling served as precedence for the latest ruling and precedence, or
following legal rulings similarly, is major component in the U.S. legal
system. Accordingly, the Second Amendment doesn�t have to apply to
states if they, or their municipalities make laws to the contrary.
In Chicago it is legal for individuals to own rifles or shotguns.
However, weapons including automatic or semi automatic handguns are
banned, as are concealed weapons.
Although these restrictions exist within the city limits, other
communities in the state also have tightly regulated gun laws.
Everything from the type of firearm you are caught with to where you are
in possession of it at can affect if you will be charged criminally for
possession of a firearm.
For instance, being charged with possession of a firearm at a bar is a
Class 4 felony. It is also a Class 4 felony to be caught in possession
of a firearm when you are wearing a hood or mask. Things like sawed off
shotguns and silencers can get you a Class 3 felony charge and a much
longer potential sentence.
Jamir Quay
> No-bammer wrote:
>> Devils_Advocate wrote:
>>
>>> See charts and video here:
>>> http://www.ammoland.com/2009/09/04/1000000-guns-added-to-american-homes/
>>>
>>> 1,000,000+ Guns Added to American Homes in August
>>> Friday, September 4th, 2009 at 11:54 am
>>>
>>> Another 1,000,000+ Guns Added to American Homes in August
>>> Background Checks On Firearm Sales Up 12% In August.
>>> Americans buy 1,074,757+ guns in August 2009
>>>
>>> Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) reported 1,074,757
>>> checks in August 2009, a 12.3 percent increase from the 956,872 reported
>>> in August 2008.
>>>
>>> So far that is roughly 9,076,205 gun bought this year! The total is
>>> probably more as NICS background checks may cover the purchase of more
>>> than one gun at a time.
>> Yes, here in Illinois, I usually buy 3 at a time so the 1,000,000 number
>
> How many can you use at a time?
>
> RT
How many ball point pens can you use at a time, cunt?
No-bammer
> No-bammer wrote:
>
>>Devils_Advocate wrote:
>>
>>
>>>See charts and video here:
>>>http://www.ammoland.com/2009/09/04/1000000-guns-added-to-american-homes/
>>>
>>>1,000,000+ Guns Added to American Homes in August
>>>Friday, September 4th, 2009 at 11:54 am
>>>
>>>Another 1,000,000+ Guns Added to American Homes in August
>>>Background Checks On Firearm Sales Up 12% In August.
>>>Americans buy 1,074,757+ guns in August 2009
>>>
>>>Washington, DC --(AmmoLand.com)- Data released by the FBI�s National
>>>Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) reported 1,074,757
>>>checks in August 2009, a 12.3 percent increase from the 956,872 reported
>>>in August 2008.
>>>
>>>So far that is roughly 9,076,205 gun bought this year! The total is
>>>probably more as NICS background checks may cover the purchase of more
>>>than one gun at a time.
>>
>>Yes, here in Illinois, I usually buy 3 at a time so the 1,000,000 number
>
>
> How many can you use at a time?
If the need ever arises and you have them all loaded, you might be able
to use all of them.
Matt
> No-bammer wrote:
> > Devils_Advocate wrote:
>
>
> >>> Devils_Advocate wrote:
>
> >>>> See charts and video here:
> >>>>http://www.ammoland.com/2009/09/04/1000000-guns-added-to-american-hom
> >>>> es/
> >>>> 1,000,000+ Guns Added to American Homes in August
> >>>> Friday, September 4th, 2009 at 11:54 am
>
> >>>> Another 1,000,000+ Guns Added to American Homes in August
> >>>> Background Checks On Firearm Sales Up 12% In August.
> >>>> Americans buy 1,074,757+ guns in August 2009
>
> >>>> Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) reported 1,074,757
> >>>> checks in August 2009, a 12.3 percent increase from the 956,872
> >>>> reported in August 2008.
>
> >>>> So far that is roughly 9,076,205 gun bought this year! The total is
> >>>> probably more as NICS background checks may cover the purchase of
> >>>> more than one gun at a time.
>
> >>> Yes, here in Illinois, I usually buy 3 at a time so the 1,000,000
> >>> number is probably low.
>
> >> LOL
>
> >> You can own guns in IL?
>
> > We sure can. Ww can buy handguns or long guns 3 at a time as often as we
> > want. We can also carry a gun in our unlocked glove compartment or console.
>
> But not in certain municipalities.
>
> http://crime.about.com/od/gunlawsbystate/p/gunlaws_il.htm
>
>
> Chicago Handgun Ban Still In Effect
And yet, Chicago's homicide rate is down from last year.
Hm.
So is New York City's.
Hm.
Perhaps, just perhaps, guns have nothing to do with it.
Matt
Morton Davis
"Jamir Quay" <s...@00.ter> wrote in message
news:hhai4j$r12$9...@news.eternal-september.org...
> No-bammer wrote:
>> Devils_Advocate wrote:
>>
>>> No-bammer <no-b...@fgi.net> wrote :
>>>
>>>
>>>> Devils_Advocate wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> See charts and video here:
>>>>> http://www.ammoland.com/2009/09/04/1000000-guns-added-to-american-hom
>>>>> es/
>>>>> 1,000,000+ Guns Added to American Homes in August
>>>>> Friday, September 4th, 2009 at 11:54 am
>>>>>
>>>>> Another 1,000,000+ Guns Added to American Homes in August
>>>>> Background Checks On Firearm Sales Up 12% In August.
>>>>> Americans buy 1,074,757+ guns in August 2009
>>>>>
>>>>> Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) reported 1,074,757
>>>>> checks in August 2009, a 12.3 percent increase from the 956,872
>>>>> reported in August 2008.
>>>>>
>>>>> So far that is roughly 9,076,205 gun bought this year! The total is
>>>>> probably more as NICS background checks may cover the purchase of
>>>>> more than one gun at a time.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, here in Illinois, I usually buy 3 at a time so the 1,000,000
>>>> number is probably low.
>>>
>>>
>>> LOL
>>>
>>> You can own guns in IL?
>>>
>>
>> We sure can. Ww can buy handguns or long guns 3 at a time as often as we
>> want. We can also carry a gun in our unlocked glove compartment or
>> console.
>
> But not in certain municipalities.
>
> http://crime.about.com/od/gunlawsbystate/p/gunlaws_il.htm
>
> http://www.myillinoisdefenselawyer.com/2009/06/17/chicago-handgun-ban-still-in-effect/
>
> Chicago Handgun Ban Still In Effect
>
And Chicago remains the murder capitol of America.
DockScience
"RichTravsky" <traR...@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote in message
news:4B383974...@hotmMOVEail.com...
I usually take 10-15 to the range.
It's really definitional as to what is "use at one time".
RichTravsky
> RichTravsky wrote:
> > No-bammer wrote:
> >
> >>Devils_Advocate wrote:
> >>>See charts and video here:
> >>>http://www.ammoland.com/2009/09/04/1000000-guns-added-to-american-homes/
> >>>
> >>>1,000,000+ Guns Added to American Homes in August
> >>>Friday, September 4th, 2009 at 11:54 am
> >>>
> >>>Another 1,000,000+ Guns Added to American Homes in August
> >>>Background Checks On Firearm Sales Up 12% In August.
> >>>Americans buy 1,074,757+ guns in August 2009
> >>>
> >>>Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) reported 1,074,757
> >>>checks in August 2009, a 12.3 percent increase from the 956,872 reported
> >>>in August 2008.
> >>>
> >>>So far that is roughly 9,076,205 gun bought this year! The total is
> >>>probably more as NICS background checks may cover the purchase of more
> >>>than one gun at a time.
> >>
> >>Yes, here in Illinois, I usually buy 3 at a time so the 1,000,000 number
> >
> >
> > How many can you use at a time?
>
> If the need ever arises and you have them all loaded, you might be able
> to use all of them.
You only have two hands.
RT
RichTravsky
> It's really definitional as to what is "use at one time".
So they're for sport and not defense...
RT
Lookout
No proof of cause and effect.
RD (The Sandman)
news:4B3C3130...@hotmMOVEail.com:
Yep, but a second gun is also referred to as a Tucson reload.
--
Sleep well tonight,
RD (The Sandman)
Let's see if I have this healthcare thingy right. Congress is to pass
a plan written by a committee whose head has said he doesn't understand
it, passed by a Congress that hasn't read it, signed by a president who
hasn't read it, with funding administered by a Treasury chief who didn't
pay his taxes because he didn't understand TurboTax, overseen by an obese
Surgeon General and financed by a country that's nearly broke.
What could possibly go wrong?
RD (The Sandman)
news:4B3C3169...@hotmMOVEail.com:
You don't practice with what you use for defense?
DockScience
"RichTravsky" <traR...@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote in message
>> >> Yes, here in Illinois, I usually buy 3 at a time so the 1,000,000
>> >> number
>> >
>> > How many can you use at a time?
>>
>> I usually take 10-15 to the range.
>> It's really definitional as to what is "use at one time".
>
> So they're for sport and not defense...
That's kinda up to others isn't it?
I would love for them to be only for sport and enjoyment.
But there are some who might someday disagree.
There was a home invasion by thugs not 1/2 mile from here last week.
They might decide it's my turn next.
Bob
wrote:
"CrimeRates Falling" sure they are, ppl are arming themselves all
over, most home invaders would rather not be outgunned, and painfully shot
all over, but can only hope (in lieu) they would end up on a John Doe Toe
Tag gurney....it's not worth their risk either....
I get that action all over town and here in Vancouver as
well.....most are bar and gang war events.....none of the guns are legal
registered, and most have filled of serial numbers from some gun robbery.
So why d they bother ppl with legal registered guns.....because it's
easy pickings??...no shit.
In a Home Invasion case, no matter what colors they are wearing,
it's an infringement on your God Given rights as well as a lot of common
sense and survival intentions.
I see a lot of zombie sheeple, who don't care for jack, whether they
live or die, so they do armed robberies, without a hope or care if they win
or lose. That's an autonomic "secret advantage" to success in a gunfight,
which the victim rarely has, unless you're real kool, and just as prepared
as the assailants, which is a rare event...
With a gun, *The Element of Surprise* and *knowing your territory*
is all the advantage you need to win...friend or foe.
Most of us have some substantial property that we don't want to give
up because of some piece of asswipe legislature that defies reason and
survival instincts.
The ppl of a lot Asian populace have been fighting for it all their
lives, and some big armed gang under the posse comitatus act find it
interesting to invade their ass, since they are foreigners in Asia, and a
piece of paper like the posse comitatus act may be a reason why they aren't
doing it whole hog here/homeland.
In the unnerving event of a home invasion, will you wear ear "sonic
baffle" protection when they try to get you in your bedroom???...it's a big
decision, and a lot of LEOs sleep with sonic suppressed "sonic baffle" ear
plugs, to dampen some ACP rounds, because they hit at 155Db++ tympani
surgery....is it worth it?
I find trying to sleep with a lot of different "sonic baffle" ear
plugs to be a bit uncomfortable and a painful earache in the morning....any
other sound muffler would not alert you of the home invasion.
*To life Immortal*
Bob
wrote:
|>
|>> I usually take 10-15 to the range.
|>> It's really definitional as to what is "use at one time".
|>
|>So they're for sport and not defense...
|>
|>RT
Maybe they are for a defensive sport.
If you stop and observe what sort of ppl go to ranges, you'll find
it to be a mixed category, ppl of all different worlds and intents.
There are all walks of life at shooting ranges, leos next to
possible mafias, gunsmiths, plinking paper punchers, ISU, IDPA, ISSF and
other social competitors.
If you go to an ACTS *Competitive Tactical Shooting* event, that all
sorts attend, the inclination of guns as being nefarious is more pronounced
when they use Full and Semis of High Caliber *Rifles*.
ACTS *Competitive Tactical Shooting* in the *Handgun* department is
surely purely defensive, unless you expect to snipe with a "derringer",
which is unlikely, unless your me.
One Ragged Hole
Sid9
"Bob" <rk...@armageddon.info> wrote in message
news:s3usj5d5d9689cbb8...@4ax.com...
.
.
Boob, there's NO cause and effect relationship.
Pulling these ideas out of your ass does not make them true.
Meanwhile, keep buying guns,
I'm sure they help overcome the fear that you live with every day
Channel Cast
> No-bammer wrote:
>> RichTravsky wrote:
>>> No-bammer wrote:
>>>
>>>> Devils_Advocate wrote:
>>>>> See charts and video here:
>>>>> http://www.ammoland.com/2009/09/04/1000000-guns-added-to-american-homes/
>>>>>
>>>>> 1,000,000+ Guns Added to American Homes in August
>>>>> Friday, September 4th, 2009 at 11:54 am
>>>>>
>>>>> Another 1,000,000+ Guns Added to American Homes in August
>>>>> Background Checks On Firearm Sales Up 12% In August.
>>>>> Americans buy 1,074,757+ guns in August 2009
>>>>>
>>>>> Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) reported 1,074,757
>>>>> checks in August 2009, a 12.3 percent increase from the 956,872 reported
>>>>> in August 2008.
>>>>>
>>>>> So far that is roughly 9,076,205 gun bought this year! The total is
>>>>> probably more as NICS background checks may cover the purchase of more
>>>>> than one gun at a time.
>>>> Yes, here in Illinois, I usually buy 3 at a time so the 1,000,000 number
>>>
>>> How many can you use at a time?
>> If the need ever arises and you have them all loaded, you might be able
>> to use all of them.
>
> You only have two hands.
>
> RT
You only have a fraction of a brain, so don't worry.
Channel Cast
At "the range"...duh!
How fucking STUPID are you?
Channel Cast
> On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 22:05:52 -0700, RichTravsky
> <traR...@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote:
>
>> No-bammer wrote:
>>> RichTravsky wrote:
>>>> No-bammer wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Devils_Advocate wrote:
>>>>>> See charts and video here:
>>>>>> http://www.ammoland.com/2009/09/04/1000000-guns-added-to-american-homes/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1,000,000+ Guns Added to American Homes in August
>>>>>> Friday, September 4th, 2009 at 11:54 am
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Another 1,000,000+ Guns Added to American Homes in August
>>>>>> Background Checks On Firearm Sales Up 12% In August.
>>>>>> Americans buy 1,074,757+ guns in August 2009
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) reported 1,074,757
>>>>>> checks in August 2009, a 12.3 percent increase from the 956,872 reported
>>>>>> in August 2008.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So far that is roughly 9,076,205 gun bought this year! The total is
>>>>>> probably more as NICS background checks may cover the purchase of more
>>>>>> than one gun at a time.
>>>>> Yes, here in Illinois, I usually buy 3 at a time so the 1,000,000 number
>>>>
>>>> How many can you use at a time?
>>> If the need ever arises and you have them all loaded, you might be able
>>> to use all of them.
>> You only have two hands.
>>
>> RT
> No proof of cause and effect.
>
Why do you even draw breath?
Channel Cast
Channel Cast
NO ASSHOLE, do NOT set the replies in a oublic groups post to go only to
YOU!
Stupid hosehead canuck!
> I find trying to sleep with a lot of different "sonic baffle" ear
> plugs to be a bit uncomfortable and a painful earache in the
morning....any
> other sound muffler would not alert you of the home invasion.
I find nancy-boy canucks to be useless cunts, bend double and blow
yerself, putz.
10x
wrote:
You are absolutely right.
But it certainly is a coincidence.
Just like when a State passes CCW legislation the crime rate drops as
well.
RichTravsky
> RichTravsky <traR...@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote in
> > DockScience wrote:
> >> "RichTravsky" <traR...@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote in message
> >> >> Devils_Advocate wrote:
> >> >> > http://www.ammoland.com/2009/09/04/1000000-guns-added-to-american
> >> >> > -homes/
> >> >> >
> >> >> > 1,000,000+ Guns Added to American Homes in August
> >> >> > Friday, September 4th, 2009 at 11:54 am
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Another 1,000,000+ Guns Added to American Homes in August
> >> >> > Background Checks On Firearm Sales Up 12% In August.
> >> >> > Americans buy 1,074,757+ guns in August 2009
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Washington, DC --(AmmoLand.com)- Data released by the FBI's
> >> >> > National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS)
> >> >> > reported 1,074,757 checks in August 2009, a 12.3 percent
> >> >> > increase from the 956,872 reported
> >> >> > in August 2008.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > So far that is roughly 9,076,205 gun bought this year! The total
> >> >> > is probably more as NICS background checks may cover the
> >> >> > purchase of more than one gun at a time.
> >> >>
> >> >> Yes, here in Illinois, I usually buy 3 at a time so the 1,000,000
> >> >> number
> >> >
> >> > How many can you use at a time?
> >>
> >> I usually take 10-15 to the range.
> >> It's really definitional as to what is "use at one time".
> >
> > So they're for sport and not defense...
>
> You don't practice with what you use for defense?
You expect to engage a perp at what range? Five feet? 100?
RT
RichTravsky
> "RichTravsky" <traR...@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote in message
>
> >> >> number
> >> >
> >> > How many can you use at a time?
> >>
> >> I usually take 10-15 to the range.
> >> It's really definitional as to what is "use at one time".
> >
> > So they're for sport and not defense...
>
> That's kinda up to others isn't it?
> I would love for them to be only for sport and enjoyment.
That's different. But you still can only use at most two at a time.
RichTravsky
> On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 22:06:49 -0700, RichTravsky <traR...@hotmMOVEail.com>
> wrote:
> |>> It's really definitional as to what is "use at one time".
> |>
> |>So they're for sport and not defense...
>
>
> If you stop and observe what sort of ppl go to ranges, you'll find
> it to be a mixed category, ppl of all different worlds and intents.
>
> There are all walks of life at shooting ranges, leos next to
> possible mafias, gunsmiths, plinking paper punchers, ISU, IDPA, ISSF and
> other social competitors.
>
> If you go to an ACTS *Competitive Tactical Shooting* event, that all
> sorts attend, the inclination of guns as being nefarious is more pronounced
> when they use Full and Semis of High Caliber *Rifles*.
> ACTS *Competitive Tactical Shooting* in the *Handgun* department is
> surely purely defensive, unless you expect to snipe with a "derringer",
> which is unlikely, unless your me.
Where's the bit about defending oneself against the king's tax collectors etc?
Channel Cast
Or even 25...
Step up, SCUM!
Channel Cast
> DockScience wrote:
>> "RichTravsky" <traR...@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote in message
>>
>>>>>> Yes, here in Illinois, I usually buy 3 at a time so the 1,000,000
>>>>>> number
>>>>> How many can you use at a time?
>>>> I usually take 10-15 to the range.
>>>> It's really definitional as to what is "use at one time".
>>> So they're for sport and not defense...
>> That's kinda up to others isn't it?
>> I would love for them to be only for sport and enjoyment.
>
> That's different. But you still can only use at most two at a time.
>
Wrong, dumb fuck.
Drop dead, now.
Channel Cast
Where's the pretense of you being an AMERICAN, traitor?
Bob
|>Bob wrote:
|>
|>NO ASSHOLE, do NOT set the replies in a oublic groups post to go only to
|>YOU!
|>
I'll do as is NG Usenet acceptable, and my actions are well within
the parameters set by the Usenet standards, You on the other hand can't cope
with that, because you actually have to click on the
(email/email-usenet/usenet) fly out with my reply to poster request, not an
order, but a request..
|>Stupid hosehead canuck!
|>
Maybe a trailer park heh......dickwad. you poofters are still
tossing and wanking in your blighty flat bloke existence..
|> > I find trying to sleep with a lot of different "sonic baffle" ear
|> > plugs to be a bit uncomfortable and a painful earache in the
|>morning....any
|> > other sound muffler would not alert you of the home invasion.
|>
|>I find nancy-boy canucks to be useless cunts, bend double and blow
|>yerself, putz.
Et tu menge mon cue avec cette sotise, mon tis gas, je na rien a
faire avec des Zeta gangs...
Nancy came from your conjecture, not mine....
Bob
D. Staples
"Channel Cast" <s...@i.mud> wrote in message
news:hhp8o0$sp4$5...@news.eternal-september.org...
> RichTravsky wrote:
Hey, look another 12 year old joins the conversation.
RD (The Sandman)
news:4B40170A...@hotmMOVEail.com:
> "RD (The Sandman)" wrote:
>> RichTravsky <traR...@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote in
>> > DockScience wrote:
>> >> "RichTravsky" <traR...@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote in message
>> >> > No-bammer wrote:
>> >> >> Devils_Advocate wrote:
>> >> >> > http://www.ammoland.com/2009/09/04/1000000-guns-added-to-ameri
>> >> >> > can -homes/
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > 1,000,000+ Guns Added to American Homes in August
>> >> >> > Friday, September 4th, 2009 at 11:54 am
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Another 1,000,000+ Guns Added to American Homes in August
>> >> >> > Background Checks On Firearm Sales Up 12% In August.
>> >> >> > Americans buy 1,074,757+ guns in August 2009
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Washington, DC --(AmmoLand.com)- Data released by the FBI's
>> >> >> > National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS)
>> >> >> > reported 1,074,757 checks in August 2009, a 12.3 percent
>> >> >> > increase from the 956,872 reported
>> >> >> > in August 2008.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > So far that is roughly 9,076,205 gun bought this year! The
>> >> >> > total is probably more as NICS background checks may cover
>> >> >> > the purchase of more than one gun at a time.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Yes, here in Illinois, I usually buy 3 at a time so the
>> >> >> 1,000,000 number
>> >> >
>> >> > How many can you use at a time?
>> >>
>> >> I usually take 10-15 to the range.
>> >> It's really definitional as to what is "use at one time".
>> >
>> > So they're for sport and not defense...
>>
>> You don't practice with what you use for defense?
>
> You expect to engage a perp at what range? Five feet? 100?
>
> RT
>
Depends on the situation, mon ami. And who it is. A home invader may be
up close and personal.....you, within sight.
RichTravsky
> up close and personal.....you, within sight.
Then one hardly needs to go to the range for something 5 feet or so away.
Bob
wrote:
|>> Depends on the situation, mon ami. And who it is. A home invader may be
|>> up close and personal.....you, within sight.
|>
|>Then one hardly needs to go to the range for something 5 feet or so away
You'd like to check out the "piece", see if the gun works right with
FTF's and stovepipes corrected, also get used to a double tap recoil
alighment...pretty hard to do on most .45 ACP+ "ball" ammo and higher
handgun calibers...
Just because it comes NIB, doesn't mean it's gonna work in the real
world.
If you do a 20 meter 2 inch circle, you would be devastating at a
10ft range....if you use a compensator "muzzle brake", you have to get used
to were the sound and gasses are really going, before they bounce off your
face.
Hearing protection?.... keep it handy,....is your life worth your
hearing?... Is the piece of shit your shooting even worth shooting...Raking
Slide?....Loud Warming Shot?....or just a Bang Fuck Your Dead?
Bob
RD (The Sandman)
news:4B440F3B...@hotmMOVEail.com:
> "RD (The Sandman)" wrote:
>> RichTravsky <traR...@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote in
>> > "RD (The Sandman)" wrote:
>> >> RichTravsky <traR...@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote in
>> >> > DockScience wrote:
>> >> >> "RichTravsky" <traR...@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> > No-bammer wrote:
>> >> >> >> Devils_Advocate wrote:
>> >> >> >> > http://www.ammoland.com/2009/09/04/1000000-guns-added-to-am
>> >> >> >> > eri can -homes/
And one has problems claiming self defense at 100 yards.
Bob
<rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote:
|>> Then one hardly needs to go to the range for something 5 feet or so
|>> away.
|>>
|>
|>And one has problems claiming self defense at 100 yards.
Not really, it all depends on the size of your "backyard", but say
50 yards, then would you expect an accurate shot from an ACP, it wouldn't be
that lethal in "ball" ammo at that range...
Most self defense are well within 20meters, but anxiety and lack of
training with a heavy pull double action gun can send a bullet right off
target even then....
It all depends what handgun you are used to shooting with, if your
good at 20 meters, you should be good at a real panic attack situation at
12yards.....practice with your layout and guns, then put it away and do
something useful, like fixing your car or charging your batteries or
something....
If you try too hard, in similes, you'll usually fail with that
system in real time....it varies, it's also equal to the last time you used
your fire extinquisher...never?....then you won;t be needing a gun more than
that, but wasn't it good when you put out that mattress fire with your fire
extinguisher or bucket of water....same thing as having a gun for self
protection.
Home guns and Fire extinguishers are a good comparison for usage,
along with how to turn the mainline or natural gas valves, a handy key or
wrench is useful in emergency events.
Bob
RD (The Sandman)
news:37iik5dvmr8ciu8fl...@4ax.com:
> On Thu, 07 Jan 2010 12:50:40 -0600, "RD (The Sandman)"
> <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>|>> Then one hardly needs to go to the range for something 5 feet or so
>|>> away.
>|>>
>|>
>|>And one has problems claiming self defense at 100 yards.
>
> Not really, it all depends on the size of your "backyard",
Not to the court. It all depends on whether or not a "reasonable" person
would believe that they or an innocent third party were in *immediate*
fear of death or serious bodily harm. Kinda hard to claim that at 100
yards in the vast majority of circumstances.
but
> say
> 50 yards, then would you expect an accurate shot from an ACP, it
> wouldn't be that lethal in "ball" ammo at that range...
>
> Most self defense are well within 20meters, but anxiety and lack
> of
> training with a heavy pull double action gun can send a bullet right
> off target even then....
>
Most self defense fits the Rule of Three. Three yards, three shots
fired, three seconds.
> It all depends what handgun you are used to shooting with, if
> your
> good at 20 meters, you should be good at a real panic attack situation
> at 12yards.....practice with your layout and guns,
All my fire in practice is double action and with either hand.
then put it away
> and do something useful, like fixing your car or charging your
> batteries or something....
> If you try too hard, in similes, you'll usually fail with that
> system in real time....it varies,
Much of what you accomplish under stress is muscle memory.
it's also equal to the last time you
> used your fire extinquisher...never?....then you won;t be needing a
> gun more than that, but wasn't it good when you put out that mattress
> fire with your fire extinguisher or bucket of water....same thing as
> having a gun for self protection.
I practice with a gun. A fire extinguisher, no.
> Home guns and Fire extinguishers are a good comparison for usage,
But not for time practicing. You see, I enjoy shooting so it becomes a
hobby. Using a fire extinguisher just doesn't have the same panache.
> along with how to turn the mainline or natural gas valves, a handy key
> or wrench is useful in emergency events.
Rather useless blather when discussing firearms usage.
R. LaCasse
<rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote:
|>> Most self defense are well within 20meters, but anxiety and lack
|>> of
|>> training with a heavy pull double action gun can send a bullet right
|>> off target even then....
|>>
|>
|>Most self defense fits the Rule of Three. Three yards, three shots
|>fired, three seconds.
I never seem to be in that situation, *Rule of Three* is usually for
one assailant, but I seem to be faced with a lot of 5 assailants,it seems to
be a magic number there, me against the gang of 5....
But the *Rule of Three* is seems to be typical in most advertised
cases....
Bob
RD (The Sandman)
news:pmllk5t4kef3ins08...@4ax.com:
> On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 12:16:47 -0600, "RD (The Sandman)"
> <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>|>> Most self defense are well within 20meters, but anxiety and
>|>> lack of
>|>> training with a heavy pull double action gun can send a bullet
>|>> right off target even then....
>|>>
>|>
>|>Most self defense fits the Rule of Three. Three yards, three shots
>|>fired, three seconds.
>
> I never seem to be in that situation, *Rule of Three* is usually
> for
> one assailant, but I seem to be faced with a lot of 5 assailants,it
> seems to be a magic number there, me against the gang of 5....
Then I would suggest that you piss less people off. ;)
> But the *Rule of Three* is seems to be typical in most advertised
> cases....
--
Sleep well tonight,
RD (The Sandman)
Let's see if I have this healthcare thingy right. Congress is to pass
a plan written by a committee whose head has said he doesn't understand
it, passed by a Congress that hasn't read it or allowed bipartisan input,
signed by a president who hasn't read it or provided the public with the
C-Span overview of the plan or the process, with funding administered by
Bob
<rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote:
|>> I never seem to be in that situation, *Rule of Three* is usually
|>> for
|>> one assailant, but I seem to be faced with a lot of 5 assailants,it
|>> seems to be a magic number there, me against the gang of 5....
|>
|>Then I would suggest that you piss less people off. ;)
A lot of ppl don't like me because I'm not a British subject, YOU on
the other hand could not possibly have that problem.
A lot are jealous of my property wealth, and they retaliate by
trying to destroy my property to satisfy their childish, vandalistic
problems....a lot of ppl have that problem!
5 Scuzzbags against ME is not an easy fight, but with a handgun
there is an equalizer there....making me the winner....so far.
If the vandals are all armed, well ALL the better, it will give me
something to stand on in Court when I try to defend myself from the
prosecutor's allegations as well.
I been there before, it's sheer nerve wrenching hell, and very
degrading, as they treat you like shit till they have to eat it "when God
gets there" a lot of ppl have that problem, but I win the case.
I get my guns back, and the vandals are back on the streets knowing
that I may armed, so they don't even crack to me but do remote annoyances
short of doing a drive-by on me.
Bob
RD (The Sandman)
news:jggok5h64t2a3m4cl...@4ax.com:
> On Mon, 11 Jan 2010 16:17:47 -0600, "RD (The Sandman)"
> <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>|>> I never seem to be in that situation, *Rule of Three* is
usually
>|>> for
>|>> one assailant, but I seem to be faced with a lot of 5 assailants,it
>|>> seems to be a magic number there, me against the gang of 5....
>|>
>|>Then I would suggest that you piss less people off. ;)
>
> A lot of ppl don't like me because I'm not a British subject, YOU
on
> the other hand could not possibly have that problem.
?? You, my man, are serioudly confused.
> A lot are jealous of my property wealth, and they retaliate by
> trying to destroy my property to satisfy their childish, vandalistic
> problems....a lot of ppl have that problem!
>
> 5 Scuzzbags against ME is not an easy fight, but with a handgun
> there is an equalizer there....making me the winner....so far.
>
> If the vandals are all armed, well ALL the better, it will give me
> something to stand on in Court when I try to defend myself from the
> prosecutor's allegations as well.
>
> I been there before, it's sheer nerve wrenching hell, and very
> degrading, as they treat you like shit till they have to eat it "when
God
> gets there" a lot of ppl have that problem, but I win the case.
> I get my guns back, and the vandals are back on the streets
knowing
> that I may armed, so they don't even crack to me but do remote
annoyances
> short of doing a drive-by on me.
Have you checked with your doctor lately to see if you are still on the
proper meds?
--
Sleep well tonight, RD (The Sandman)
Let's see if I have this healthcare thingy right. Congress is to pass
a plan written by a committee whose head has said he doesn't understand
it, passed by a Congress that hasn't read it or allowed bipartisan input,
signed by a president who hasn't read it or provided the public with the
C-Span overview of the plan or the process, with funding administered by
a Treasury chief who didn't pay his taxes because he didn't understand
TurboTax, overseen by an obese Surgeon General and financed by a country
edi...@netpath.net
> Most self defense are well within 20meters, but anxiety and lack of
> training with a heavy pull double action gun can send a bullet right off
> target even then....
Most all is within SEVEN yards - according to FBI study of actual
police handgun use in America. That's why they heavily concentrate
their training within that distance - or no more than the length of
most living rooms.
http://www.Internet-Gun-Show.com - your source for hard-to-find stuff!
RD (The Sandman)
4c73-896e-9...@e37g2000yqn.googlegroups.com:
> On Jan 9, 10:39�pm, Bob <r...@armageddon.info> wrote:
>> � � � � Most self defense are well within 20meters, but anxiety a
> nd lack of
>> training with a heavy pull double action gun can send a bullet right
off
>> target even then....
>
> Most all is within SEVEN yards - according to FBI study of actual
> police handgun use in America. That's why they heavily concentrate
> their training within that distance - or no more than the length of
> most living rooms.
Or the length of a 70s automobile.
--
Sleep well tonight, RD (The Sandman)
Let's see if I have this healthcare thingy right. Congress is to pass
a plan written by a committee whose head has said he doesn't understand
it, passed by a Congress that hasn't read it or allowed bipartisan input,
signed by a president who hasn't read it or provided the public with the
C-Span overview of the plan or the process, with funding administered by
keithr
to your eyesight)
Bob
<rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote:
|>"edi...@netpath.net" <edi...@netpath.net> wrote in news:a1c03911-84c3-
|>4c73-896e-9...@e37g2000yqn.googlegroups.com:
|>
|>> On Jan 9, 10:39�pm, Bob <r...@armageddon.info> wrote:
|>>> � � � � Most self defense are well within 20meters, but anxiety a
|>> nd lack of
|>>> training with a heavy pull double action gun can send a bullet right
|>off
|>>> target even then....
|>>
|>> Most all is within SEVEN yards - according to FBI study of actual
|>> police handgun use in America. That's why they heavily concentrate
|>> their training within that distance - or no more than the length of
|>> most living rooms.
|>
|>Or the length of a 70s automobile.
I had the thought of firing a double action with one hand, like you
said you do, ......but my stuff is all single action, sportspistols/ACP, so
I'm not accustomed to the double action system unless it's fully cocked.
Last 2x action I fired was a .454 Casull Ruger revolver, and I
wasn't comfortable with the grip and trigger pull, distance, over travel, so
I was a bit off mark at 25 meters.....there wasn't much of a recoil that I
was expecting.....at least, nothing like a Snub Nosed Ruger Vaquero with a
bird head handle....
I don't like revolvers anyways. and rifles remind me of my hunting
stuff 50 years....bad hinting times.
At 10 yard range, you might as well be firing from the HIP, unless
you have a compensator (turn sideways) like I have, which allows some 3->4
shots in COM A in 1 second at that distance....but wait, I forgot my ear
protection didn't I..?
Bob
RD (The Sandman)
news:njbrk5ld3ff1b9dho...@4ax.com:
> On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 16:01:50 -0600, "RD (The Sandman)"
> <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>|>"edi...@netpath.net" <edi...@netpath.net> wrote in
>|>news:a1c03911-84c3-
>|>4c73-896e-9...@e37g2000yqn.googlegroups.com:
>|>
>|>> On Jan 9, 10:39�pm, Bob <r...@armageddon.info> wrote:
>|>>> � � � � Most self defense are well within 20meters, but anxiety a
>|>> nd lack of
>|>>> training with a heavy pull double action gun can send a bullet
>|>>> right
>|>off
>|>>> target even then....
>|>>
>|>> Most all is within SEVEN yards - according to FBI study of actual
>|>> police handgun use in America. That's why they heavily concentrate
>|>> their training within that distance - or no more than the length of
>|>> most living rooms.
>|>
>|>Or the length of a 70s automobile.
>
>
>
> I had the thought of firing a double action with one hand, like
> you
> said you do, ......but my stuff is all single action,
> sportspistols/ACP, so I'm not accustomed to the double action system
> unless it's fully cocked.
Then you shoot single action. Now is "your stuff" semi auto or revolver?
> Last 2x action I fired was a .454 Casull Ruger revolver, and I
> wasn't comfortable with the grip and trigger pull, distance, over
> travel, so I was a bit off mark at 25 meters.....there wasn't much of
> a recoil that I was expecting.....at least, nothing like a Snub Nosed
> Ruger Vaquero with a bird head handle....
You mean a Sheriff's Model or a StoreKeeper? Single action revolvers are
not referred to as snub nosed.
> I don't like revolvers anyways. and rifles remind me of my
> hunting
> stuff 50 years....bad hinting times.
>
> At 10 yard range, you might as well be firing from the HIP,
> unless
> you have a compensator (turn sideways) like I have, which allows some
> 3->4 shots in COM A in 1 second at that distance....but wait, I forgot
> my ear protection didn't I..?
I think you have forgotten more than that.
Bob
<rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote:
|>Bob <rk...@armageddon.info> wrote in
|>news:njbrk5ld3ff1b9dho...@4ax.com:
|>
|>> On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 16:01:50 -0600, "RD (The Sandman)"
|>> <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote:
|>>
|>> I had the thought of firing a double action with one hand, like
|>> you
|>> said you do, ......but my stuff is all single action,
|>> sportspistols/ACP, so I'm not accustomed to the double action system
|>> unless it's fully cocked.
|>
|>Then you shoot single action. Now is "your stuff" semi auto or revolver?
|>
Single Action Semi Auto SA/SA. I can never be tooo good with a
double action and carrying in condition 3 is about as safe as you can get
with those, if you can rack in a drop with a shoulder holster, but a sidearm
with a hammer strap is the best in Condition 1......not that again...
An ACP has pressure on the corners of the sear only, wear/crack,
slip, not the whole sear ridge, the disconector is in the center.....corners
break easier than the whole base
Although the whole mess of dragging levers you find in most double
action is replaced with 2 pieces in an ACP....simplicity keeps the
gunsmith$ away.
|>> Last 2x action I fired was a .454 Casull Ruger revolver, and I
|>> wasn't comfortable with the grip and trigger pull, distance, over
|>> travel, so I was a bit off mark at 25 meters.....there wasn't much of
|>> a recoil that I was expecting.....at least, nothing like a Snub Nosed
|>> Ruger Vaquero with a bird head handle....
|>
|>You mean a Sheriff's Model or a StoreKeeper? Single action revolvers are
|>not referred to as snub nosed.
|>
I can call them that with a 3" barrel 44 magnum, they kick too much
as the rifling wears down, maybe it's the slippery bird head handle......and
no rear sights don't really help much in hitting a target at 20 meters., but
then, there is the "Rule Of 3".
|>> I don't like revolvers anyways. and rifles remind me of my
|>> hunting
|>> stuff 50 years....bad hinting times.
|>>
|>> At 10 yard range, you might as well be firing from the HIP,
|>> unless
|>> you have a compensator (turn sideways) like I have, which allows some
|>> 3->4 shots in COM A in 1 second at that distance....but wait, I forgot
|>> my ear protection didn't I..?
|>
|>I think you have forgotten more than that.
Your making a funny joke.....right?......haha!
Bob
RD (The Sandman)
news:ofmtk5hb4f02tkv57...@4ax.com:
Unfortunately, I don't think so.