Ownership documents
ad...@seagoatonline.com
registered already and has register number and port of call as well.
I've got certificate but I have been told that it is not proof that
I'm an owner. My question is - how can I get ownership document.
Thanks in advance
Adam
Jim Carter
<ad...@seagoatonline.com> wrote in message
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Your "registration certificate" is proof of ownership. If you look on the
certificate, it will have a line where it says "owner" It should be your
name that is written there.
Jim C.
Bob
to be registered. Most of these recreational boats are only licenced. A
licence does not prove ownership and so it can't be used to secure a
loan against the vessel. If you built your own boat and had it
registered you would probably remember the experience. All the details
for the process are available here,
http://www.tc.gc.ca/MarineSafety/TP/Tp13414/menu.htm
they state,
"Advantages of registration
Registering a vessel offers you many advantages, such as:
* Registration gives you title to a vessel that proves that you are
the legal owner.
* You can use a registered vessel as security for a loan.
* A registered mortgage becomes a marine mortgage.
* Registration can increase resale value of your vessel, by proving
clear title.
* Registration ensures a unique name for your vessel.
* Registration limits your liability.
* Registration allows you to fly the Canadian flag."
Good luck, Bob
Terry Spragg
If you have receipts for all of the plans and materials, a sworn
statement that you performed the labour, or a receipt for any labour
you subcontracted are the only logical requirements, else someone
has to defame you, decrying you as a liar, except for the fact you
may have discovered either a loophole in the ass of the law, or an
asshole in the loop of the law.
A letter to your MLA might be in order, but what good is that likely
to do in our lifetimes?
This smacks of a plot to tax the labour you invested in the
enterprise. The tax should only apply to the wages you earned from
your labour. You may need to declare the value of labour to be taxed
as income and as value added when you eventually sell it, but you
are not required to declare anything less than 30,000 per year for
business purposes, last I checked.
Perhaps you could gazette a request for challenges from the supposed
absentemious owner? You might then proceed with quieting the title
legally. A lawyer familiar with your area may assist you.
Where did you build it? Did anyone see you building a boat about the
same size, in facilities you leased, owned, cohabited, etc?
Is anyone complaining you stole it, or have not paid for labour
hired to complete it, or materials in it?
You need to decide whether to settle with, or sue him who denies
you, or wait until you need to defend against an accusation in
court. Who is going to charge you? What are the consequences of
doing nothing?
Is a sale blocked by some technicality? If you sell it, supposedly
fraudulently, there is no danger until some one accuses you, and
they cannot have proof. Of course, the potential purchaser needs to
trust you and if he cannot, loss of the sale proceeds constitutes
damages sufferd by you, to be recovered against the person or
department hassling you in such a defamatory manner. You might even
come out ahead, if you lawyer is bulldog enough to get punitive
damages, to boot.
As builder, did you register it as new manufacture? Would you need a
business tax account to do so? Could you qualify for an ITC (Input
tax Credit) against it's eventual sale for taxes paid on the
purchase of the materials? Obtaining an ITC substantiates your claim
to manufacture, and I think you have a year from completion to file
for the credit and then a year to repay the tax, supposedly borrowed
from the government and collected from the purchaser as a stimulus
to business. Ain't it great, the way the government encourages
enterpreneurship with advantageous tax regulations?
Who is this person who said you do not own it? Is he accusing you of
theft?
A bill of sale from yourself as builder to yourself as purchaser
might not be questioned, and a sale price of "one dollar and other
valuable consideration" might work. That's what Henry Ford Paid in
1967 on the original new bill of sale for "The Penney Louise" an
HR28, and from whence title emanated to when I purchased the boat,
eventually.
You built the boat, you build the bill of sale and the title. How
does any manufacturer substantiate title for sale?
I applaud you patience in this matter. I might have been in a fist
fight at the customs office before I got to here with this, and
might well be writing from jail. You?
Terry K
Terry Spragg
That's what it says on my DOT "Vessel License" under "Name and
address of owner" but I don't have a "Registration" document to check.
Apparently, some one in an influential position is arguing
otherwise. Ask whomever answers at the the tax department a
question on the phone, then ask some one else the next day. Your
answers may well differ. The guy I spoke to at customs was not spot
on, and it took some discussion with his office buddies to clear it up.
Nobody would actually commit to being in the wrong, of course. I was
advised to take my pick of answers and hope for the best.
Terry K
Steve Thomas
"Bob" <nos...@nospam.ca> wrote in message
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> they state,
>
> "Advantages of registration
>
> Registering a vessel offers you many advantages, such as:
>
> * Registration gives you title to a vessel that proves that you are
> the legal owner.
> * You can use a registered vessel as security for a loan.
> * A registered mortgage becomes a marine mortgage.
> * Registration can increase resale value of your vessel, by proving
> clear title.
> * Registration ensures a unique name for your vessel.
> * Registration limits your liability.
> * Registration allows you to fly the Canadian flag."
>
> Good luck, Bob
My boat is not registered, and I fly the Canadian flag anyway.
living on the edge.....
Terry Spragg
So, I am not allowed to fly the flag if I am only licensed? G'wan!
If The boat was ever imported, it is not registered, and tax payed?
G'wan!
My license says "name and address of owner" Isn't that enough? It
has a registration number, it's registered too, somewhere, even if I
don't have a copy the input document! Either they did their job and
it's registered, or they lost the records. You check the documents
on file, I'm not a government book keeper, I have no access, and I
refuse to collect government taxes without compensation, neither.
Ain't this a free cuntry? What does that mean, anyway?
Who says my atomic two is actually capable of more than 9.9 horses?
It's modified. I'm lucky if it can idle.
I don't want no damned loan!
I wouldn't eat that, Elmer, it's rabbit poop. As a grandfather
wannabe, I should know the difference. I ain't got time to read
every damned law, nor am I even required to be able to read,
especially all that governmental weazle shit 5000 pages long! I
rely on the golden rule, and say death to those who don't. Who
complains against me? I'll sue the defaming bastard!
Terry K
Pat Drummond
If you read a summary about registration and licensing try
http://boating.ncf.ca/license.html. Americans as they use the term
'registered' quite differently than Canadians do. In Canada, it's a
legal documentation with Transport Canada.
If you want the official details go to the government index
http://boating.ncf.ca/linksgov.html and find the "Office of Boating
Safety" currently part of "Transport Canada".
rick
for the volume survey, $150 for the title transfer, $250 just to change the
name and so on...oh, and it lapses in 3 yrs if you don;t keep the address
current.
"Karl Pollak" <gu...@nospam.org> wrote in message
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> x-no-archive: yes
> ad...@seagoatonline.com wrote:
>> I built my boat by myself (36 GRP Spray by Bruce Roberts). The boat is
>> registered already and has register number and port of call as well.
>
> I've been waiting for anyone to correct you on this.
> "Port of call" is the port you are visiting on your travels.
>
> The port you see named on the stern of a ship is the "Home Port" and more
> exactly, it is the location of the Customs House where that particular
> ship
> is registered.
>
> So you can see ships tied up in Steveston Harbour on the Fraser River with
> Edmonton listed as their "home port" even though the ship has most likely
> never been anywhere near Alberta. Chances are her owner lives in Alberta
> and has registered her at the Edmonton Customs House.
>
> Similarly, you may see many deep sea vessels, even some Lakers, displaying
> as their "home port" Panama or Monrovia, though they have never been
> anywhere near those ports and their real home port is anywhere else in the
> world. They wear the Panamanian or Liberian colours (are flying flag -
> respectively) as so called "flag of convenience" as they have registered
> in
> those countries strictly for tax purposes and their real ownership/home
> port may be Greek, Korean, or maybe even Canadian.
>
> Lately, in addition to home port, many deep sea vessels are also
> displaying
> their "IMO number", under which they are listed with the International
> Maritime Organization.
>
>
> --
> Greetings from Lotusland