Hungarian lawmakers reject Holocaust denial law
BUDAPEST (JTA) -- Hungary's lawmakers rejected constitutional amendments to
make Holocaust denial a punishable offense.
Some local Jewish community leaders believe that Monday's vote secured the
first parliamentary victory for Jobbik, a rapidly rising local neo-Nazi
movement widely predicted to win several seats in the national elections due
within a year.
The proposals, put forth by the ruling Socialist caretaker government,
attracted fewer than half the votes needed to adopt a constitutional
amendment.
The frequently populist, ultra-Conservative Fidesz opposition party rejected
the proposals along with the neo-Liberal Free Democrats, the erstwhile
coalition partners of the Socialists.
The Association of Hungarian Jewish Religious Communities, or Mazsihisz --
the country's largest Jewish organization -- has not issued an official
comment. However, a commentary published on the Mazsihisz Web site by Tamas
Palmai, an intellectual writing in his personal capacity, says many believe
that Fidesz turned down the reforms for fear of provoking the wrath of
Jobbik.
Holocaust denial is outlawed in many countries which, like Hungary, were
occupied by the Nazis during World War II. The Hungarian government's
attempt at introducing the legislation that failed was made in response to
provocations by neo-Nazis at Buda Castle that marred the last Holocaust
Remembrance Day.
--
J Young
Jvis...@live.com
"When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser." -
Socrates
And who gives a shit?...stick your neo-Nazi crap where the sun don't
shine.
=
I hate neo-nazi's but talking about abuse of the world's sympathies.
The problem now is
that instead of 10 Holocaust movies coming out of Hollywood, we are
gonna get 100 holocaust movies !!
bah
On Jul 13, 2:38 pm, "J" <Jvisi...@live.com> wrote:
> Instead of making an issue where there is none, people should be applauding
> the Hungarians for their insistence on preserving the right to free speech
> and thought. If someone believes that the 'Holocaust' did not occur, the
> solution is to listen to his/her arguments and then refute them with
> evidence to the contrary; not impose criminal penalties. Only barbarians try
> to control information.
>
> http://jta.org/news/article/2009/07/01/1006256/hungarian-lawmakers-%0...
On Jul 13, 2:38 pm, "J" <Jvisi...@live.com> wrote:
> Instead of making an issue where there is none, people should be applauding
> the Hungarians for their insistence on preserving the right to free speech
> and thought. If someone believes that the 'Holocaust' did not occur, the
> solution is to listen to his/her arguments and then refute them with
> evidence to the contrary; not impose criminal penalties. Only barbarians try
> to control information.
>
> http://jta.org/news/article/2009/07/01/1006256/hungarian-lawmakers-%0...
> Instead of making an issue where there is none, people should be applauding
> the Hungarians for their insistence on preserving the right to free speech
Telling lies is not a human right, telling lies with intent to incite
hatred is a crime.
Personally I think laws that single out examples of hate crime are bad,
because they are discriminatory, the only legitimate distinction is between
accident and intent. A general law against hate crime would outlaw all
forms of it, including calling abortion murder.
None of which alters the fact that you are whining about this issue because
you're a Nazi scumbag.
--
David Silverman
aa #2208
Defender of Civilisation
"God" (n). A casual and intellectually sparse rationalisation of nerve
impulses within the human brain, conflated with social and societal
expediencies, such as the division of labour and the wielding of authority,
resulting in a formal definition of a personification of an authority that
should not be questioned.
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> Feckin about time too!!
>
> I hate neo-nazi's but talking about abuse of the world's sympathies.
> The problem now is
> that instead of 10 Holocaust movies coming out of Hollywood, we are
> gonna get 100 holocaust movies !!
And just this sort of refusal to actual confront/counter
neo-Nazis will produce more of them.
But, do give us a count of these movies - I want to hear all
10 of them you saw this year.
Susan
> It is an ancient J <Jvis...@live.com>, and he posteth:
>
> > Instead of making an issue where there is none, people should be
> > applauding
> > the Hungarians for their insistence on preserving the right to free
> > speech
>
> Telling lies is not a human right, telling lies with intent to incite
> hatred is a crime.
>
> Personally I think laws that single out examples of hate crime are bad,
> because they are discriminatory, the only legitimate distinction is
> between
> accident and intent. A general law against hate crime would outlaw all
> forms of it, including calling abortion murder.
>
I agree with you, but when one specific crime is prevalent,
sometimes a specific law has to be enacted to combat it.
I also do not want to pin counter-nazi legislation on anything
to do with choice, because that will defeat it - they both being
against the same sort of people :-)
> None of which alters the fact that you are whining about this issue
> because
> you're a Nazi scumbag.
Of course - nothing can alter that.
Susan
but u get my drift ;)
i wanna see and hear homage to the millions of deaths at the hands of
Nazi's and other genocidal maniacs
instead of ALWAYS the Jews !!
Cambodians and Rwandans and Armenians perhaps?
On Jul 14, 2:47 am, flav...@verizon.net wrote:
How about the many millions of souls that were dispatched by the Jews
themselves. The Bolshevik Revolution alone took out 55 million Russians
and 8 million Ukrainians. Don't forget to add in the millions lost
during the cold war that need not have been.. had not a Jew or tow
stolen nuclear secrets an sold them to our enemies. Do remember that
Communism is a Jewish construction. perhaps the fact that the largest
genocide of Christians in the ME is by Jews using weapons and money
furnished them by the Christian country of America. I wonder what the
spirit of the Christian Czar of Russia would have to say about these
murderous Jewish thugs that murdered his entire family execution style.
So tell it to your ZioNazi brethren in the media who do it
continuously.
Latest being the lies to incite hate against Iran.
ZioNazis are always such projectionist hoots.
> Personally I think laws that single out examples of hate crime are bad,
> because they are discriminatory,
i.e. disproportionately applied.
>the only legitimate distinction is between
> accident and intent. A general law against hate crime would outlaw all
> forms of it, including calling abortion murder.
Would it also include--in your mind--hate crimes committed by Jews
against
non-Jews?
> None of which alters the fact that you are whining about this issue because
> you're a Nazi scumbag.
> --
> David Silverman
> aa #2208
Atheist and Jew. How can it be?
Don't count; not Jews.
Doesn't matter. People who go to movies now forget what they
watched within an hour of leaving the moronoplex.
You mean denying the so called "Holocaust" is a crime? In other word
telling the truth is a crime? Hungarians hopefully will start a trend
for the rest of Europe, that telling the truth is not a crime.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8424408632716421689
It was odd of God to choose the Jews,
but not as odd as those who choose
a Jewish God--and hate the Jews
> The reader
> defiance
>
Whatever.
> but u get my drift ;)
>
Loud & clear.
More so than you think.
> i wanna see and hear homage to the millions of deaths at the hands of
> Nazi's and other genocidal maniacs
> instead of ALWAYS the Jews !!
>
Because it's ONLY THE JEWS' NUMBERS THAT GET LIED ABOUT.
> Cambodians and Rwandans and Armenians perhaps?
And what's keeping you from doing it?
Susan
> > > Personally I think laws that single out examples of hate crime are
> > > bad,
> > > because they are discriminatory, the only legitimate distinction is
> > > between
> > > accident and intent. A general law against hate crime would outlaw all
> > > forms of it, including calling abortion murder.
> >
> > I agree with you, but when one specific crime is prevalent,
> > sometimes a specific law has to be enacted to combat it.
>
> You mean denying the so called "Holocaust" is a crime?
Learn to read.
> In other word
> telling the truth is a crime?
No, but I didn't expect you to say anything else.
Susan
LOL! Hey, I AGREE!!
> > Cambodians and Rwandans and Armenians perhaps?
>
> And what's keeping you from doing it?
He IS doing it, dumbass. Unfortunately, it is not "official" policy
to publicize non-Jewish mass killings.
> You mean denying the so called "Holocaust" is a crime? In other word
> telling the truth is a crime? Hungarians hopefully will start a trend
> for the rest of Europe, that telling the truth is not a crime.
>
have a look ..... -
http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/i_video/main500251.shtml?id=2274705n
mirjam
> On Jul 13, 6:23�am, Sanity's Little Helper <elv...@noshpam.org> wrote:
>> It is an ancient J <Jvisi...@live.com>, and he posteth:
>>
>>> Instead of making an issue where there is none, people should be applauding
>>> the Hungarians for their insistence on preserving the right to free speech
>>
>> Telling lies is not a human right, telling lies with intent to incite
>> hatred is a crime.
>
> So tell it to your ZioNazi brethren in the media who do it
> continuously.
> Latest being the lies to incite hate against Iran.
> ZioNazis are always such projectionist hoots.
>
WTF is a ZioNazi? Somebody who supports Israel's Amended Law of Return
1971? If so, I hate ZioNazis as much as you appear to. I'm not going to be
labelled a Jew just because two of my grandparents were Jewish.
>> Personally I think laws that single out examples of hate crime are bad,
>> because they are discriminatory,
>
> i.e. disproportionately applied.
>
>>the only legitimate distinction is between
>> accident and intent. A general law against hate crime would outlaw all
>> forms of it, including calling abortion murder.
>
> Would it also include--in your mind--hate crimes committed by Jews
> against
> non-Jews?
>
It would include any statement by anybody about anybody or anything else
that was both untrue and incited violence or hatred. The example I gave was
clear enough. Here's another one: Racism, which is based on assumptions
that have been factually i.e. scientifically disproved, and which is
designed to foster hatred against other human beings whose ancestral
migration patterns happen to differ from one's own.
>> None of which alters the fact that you are whining about this issue because
>> you're a Nazi scumbag.
>
>> --
>> David Silverman
>> aa #2208
>
> Atheist and Jew. How can it be?
Presumption is the enemy of reason, as you continue to demonstrate.
--
David Silverman
aa #2208
The term is rather self-descriptive. Think it over.
>Somebody who supports Israel's Amended Law of Return
> 1971? If so, I hate ZioNazis as much as you appear to. I'm not going to be
> labelled a Jew just because two of my grandparents were Jewish.
>
> >> Personally I think laws that single out examples of hate crime are bad,
> >> because they are discriminatory,
>
> > i.e. disproportionately applied.
>
> >>the only legitimate distinction is between
> >> accident and intent. A general law against hate crime would outlaw all
> >> forms of it, including calling abortion murder.
>
> > Would it also include--in your mind--hate crimes committed by Jews
> > against
> > non-Jews?
>
> It would include any statement by anybody about anybody or anything else
> that was both untrue and incited violence or hatred.
Very vague and nebulous concept. Let's say that I'm sitting in some
public
place--maybe in a park, restaurant, anyplace--and some imbalanced
person
overhears me referring to someone else as a jerk, dick, creep,
whatever.
Maybe I don't like his politics or something, or just don't like the
way he
looks or talks. Anyway, this person who overhears me is a ticking
time
bomb of sorts and doesn't like creeps, dicks, jerks himself, so he
later
decides to smash the guy I criticized in the head with a brick. In
your
jackassed view, I have committed a crime. It was the guy with the
brick
who committed the crime. I had no control or association with him at
all.
But of course we both know that the ZioNazi view of a "hate crime"
doesn't have such an unbiased quality to it, without regard to race,
ethnicity, etc. So-called "hate crime" legislation was clearly a
tool
to use to silence criticism of anything Jewish. That was its primary
purpose. It is also used of course to "protect" the ZioNazi pets
(blacks
and homosexuals to a large degree), but its main purpose is to
serve the ZioNazi agenda. IOW, the ZioNazi doesn't give a
**rat's ass** about hate crimes against European White Americans,
and the record of course proves it.
>The example I gave was
> clear enough. Here's another one: Racism, which is based on assumptions
> that have been factually i.e. scientifically disproved, and which is
> designed to foster hatred against other human beings whose ancestral
> migration patterns happen to differ from one's own.
Stock ZioNazi mantra. Race is a scientific fact, not to mention
overwhelming observational evidence that any 6-year-old can see.
Acknowledging race does not mean hating the race for most people.
ZioNazi do know a lot about racial hate though. How would you like
for your sister to marry an Arab? Race became myth at about the
same time that homosexuality was removed from the list of mental
disorders, and the ZioNazis were the core of the movement for
both actions. Politics makes poor science.
> > Atheist and Jew. How can it be?
>
> Presumption is the enemy of reason, as you continue to demonstrate.
I asked a reasonable question. Jews are always telling us that
Jewishness
is a religion. If so, how can you be Jewish and atheist?
> Hitler was a jew [sic], dont blame us
>
By "us", you must mean the morons who pretend that Hitler was Jewish.
Susan
Race has always been a myth. The scientific fact is: You're as African as
Al Sharpton, and as wrong about race as he is. Just because you choose to
be pig-fucking-ignorant doesn't make what you want to believe the truth.
Politics based on pseudo-scientific bullshit makes the worst politics of
all.
>>> Atheist and Jew. �How can it be?
>>
>> Presumption is the enemy of reason, as you continue to demonstrate.
>
> I asked a reasonable question. Jews are always telling us that
> Jewishness
> is a religion. If so, how can you be Jewish and atheist?
>
You can't, and I'm not, because I am, respectively. I'm also, unlike you,
heterosexual, so I don't have an axe to grind about homosexuality either.
> Race has always been a myth. The scientific fact is: You're as African as
> Al Sharpton, and as wrong about race as he is. Just because you choose to
> be pig-fucking-ignorant doesn't make what you want to believe the truth.
> Politics based on pseudo-scientific bullshit makes the worst politics of
> all.
Your stock "race is myth" mantra is of course as ignorant as your
reasons for wanting to destroy the First Amendment. The only
ones who support the "race is myth" myth are those who have nothing
to lose by its being promoted, and those who have innate hatred for
European-American culture. Since the overwhelming observational
evidence eludes you:
http://www.news-medical.net/news/2005/04/26/9530.aspx
> > I asked a reasonable question. Jews are always telling us that
> > Jewishness
> > is a religion. If so, how can you be Jewish and atheist?
>
> You can't, and I'm not, because I am, respectively. I'm also, unlike you,
> heterosexual, so I don't have an axe to grind about homosexuality either.
Me a queer? Do tell, Einsteeen.
What axe are you referring to? Homosexuality is a mental
disorder, like atheist retardation. Studies show that turds
of a feather flock together.
> David Silverman
> aa #2208
> Defender of Civilisation
Settle down my boy. Why not start by actually making sense
in a NG post? Then you can move up to defending things
black, queer and ZioNazi.
> On Jul 14, 11:34�am, Sanity's Little Helper <elv...@noshpam.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Race has always been a myth. The scientific fact is: You're as African as
>> Al Sharpton, and as wrong about race as he is. Just because you choose to
>> be pig-fucking-ignorant doesn't make what you want to believe the truth.
>> Politics based on pseudo-scientific bullshit makes the worst politics of
>> all.
>
> Your stock "race is myth" mantra is of course as ignorant as your
> reasons for wanting to destroy the First Amendment. The only
> ones who support the "race is myth" myth are those who have nothing
> to lose by its being promoted, and those who have innate hatred for
> European-American culture. Since the overwhelming observational
> evidence eludes you:
>
> http://www.news-medical.net/news/2005/04/26/9530.aspx
That crap was debunked donkeys years ago. It was destroyed the day the
human genome was mapped. Which one of that shower of eugenicists do you
think is actually a scientist? Jensen? Rushton? Get a fucking clue or STFU.
--
David Silverman
aa #2208
Defender of Civilisation
Face it Davey, you are a misfit, and retard. You could improve your
image a wee bit by admitting that you are a damaged unit.
How about now we minimise blanket coverage of the holocaust and assist
other people, for a change?
Thats what a civilised world would do, but alas !!
On Jul 15, 1:29 am, flav...@verizon.net wrote:
> Concentration on genocide of jewish people has not stopped genocide
> global, dont you agree Susan
Whp said it did or would?
If we could do that, we wouldn't need to worry about people
lying about how many Jews had died.
After all, that's the only reason you have to hear about the
six million.
>
> How about now we minimise blanket coverage of the holocaust and assist
> other people, for a change?
>
How about we stop people from lying about the number of
Jews that have died? How about you admit why people tell
such lies? How about you admit that it's hardly a blanket
of coverage, and only in response to lies?
> Thats what a civilised world would do, but alas !!
>
A civilized world wouldn't put up with lies about how many
Jews have died. And that would lead to the changes you
say you want.
Susan
Since 1945, All this holocaust hoopla and yet there are more
genocides.
How about we agree on 600 million jews died in the holocaust.
Can we move on and get the useless UN to deal with the present?
Seiously !!
BINGO!
Yes indeed. Genetic research also disproved the fallacy that some
"races" were descended from a different hominid group eg neanderthal.
Why do some have a monumental problem about there being but one common
ancestor? Why would the truth inflame them so much?
> Which one of that shower of eugenicists do you
> think is actually a scientist? Jensen? Rushton? Get a fucking clue or STFU.
> --
> David Silverman
> aa #2208
> Defender of Civilisation
> "God" (n). A casual and intellectually sparse rationalisation of nerve
> impulses within the human brain, conflated with social and societal
> expediencies, such as the division of labour and the wielding of authority,
> resulting in a formal definition of a personification of an authority that
> should not be questioned.
>
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>
> - Show quoted text -
Weak genes and global warming, makes for a lot of skin cancer and
natural selection ;)
just kidding ya....
> Whilst you worry about the numbers, the UN has allowed pol pot to kill
> 6 million more
> cambodians, and god knows how many more rwandans, pinochet, saddam,
> milosovec.
>
Conflation of 2 separate issues only reflects on you, not me.
Just because you can;t concentrate on more than one thing
at a time doens;t mean no one else can.
> Since 1945, All this holocaust hoopla and yet there are more
> genocides.
>
And it's all coming from the sort of people who lie about the numbers.
Or are you going to conitnue to ignore this fact?
> How about we agree on 600 million jews died in the holocaust.
>
How about you address what you pretend to worry about,
& then we won't have to worry about the numbers, either?
> Can we move on and get the useless UN to deal with the present?
>
Oh, if only!
Susan
> Seiously !!
600 million jewish deaths is still NOT enough for you.
How many do you want ?
On Jul 15, 4:07 pm, flav...@verizon.net wrote:
> Yes indeed. Genetic research also disproved the fallacy that some
> "races" were descended from a different hominid group eg neanderthal.
> Why do some have a monumental problem about there being but one common
> ancestor?
All life on Earth (humans, trees, germs, insects) have one common
ancestor
if you go back a few billion years. This of course doesn't change the
fact
that you "race is myth" clowns make hilarious fools out of yourselves,
with such glaring evidence continuously bitch slapping you in the
face.
Hint: if you're going to let politics be your science, choose a
subject
that isn't so easy to refute with even general observation.
> Why would the truth inflame them so much?
You tell me.
> if you're going to let politics be your science, choose a
> subject
Q.E. FUCKING D.
Queen's English please. Not everyone understands ZioTurd pigeon
speak.
Shall we take it you're not happy about something?
Not trying to get anyone's goat or anything but a quick look at
wikipedia might help
quod erat demonstrandum
So why did you? These aren't Latin NGs.
> Not trying to get anyone's goat or anything but a quick look at
> wikipedia might help
Yeah, everyone's a scholar (with a keyboard) now.
> quod erat demonstrandum
Go easy on the racism hey ;) there s a fine line bw
real grievance and real racial hatred.
peace
I don't hate any race. I'm coming to you from soc.culture.jewish,
which is full of ZioNazi racists.
Sorry Ooops i laughed so hard that i sent it by mistake without my
reaction ,,, You are one of the ANTISEMITIC racists here !!!!
mirjam
He doesnt discriminate at all, he hates everyone equally ^^
Hey you creaky old bigot, looks like the ZioNazi crimes against
the Palestinians is getting more world press. Maybe you should
begin looking for new real estate to reek on.
Don't lie. Especially not here, where we have all seen your hatred of Jews;
as a case in point, just last night, when you were angry at me and want to
insult me (in your typical immature manner), you said I was either a
"Zionest Jew" or an "uninformed goy," and then proceeded to call me a
"Zionist Jew Turd."
Yeah, you harbor no hatred for Jews.
-- B
> On Jul 15, 8:10�am, Kangaroo Court Australia <nwn.webmas...@gmail.com>
So, you're just a troll.
--
David Silverman
AA #2208
You do not have to say anything. But if you do not mention something, which
you later use in your defence, the court may decide that your failure to
mention it now strengthens the case against you. A record will be made of
everything you say and it may be given in evidence if you are
brought to trial
Not authentic without this signature
> Thats NOT very SEMANTIC ;)
>
> He doesnt discriminate at all, he hates everyone equally ^^
>
Especially himself.
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recognized by the Catholic Hierarchy...
... and we, the Celts, like it that way !
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Here is the address for
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La Fraudais
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http://www.marie-julie-jahenny.fr/
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Many miracles have been obtained for desperate cases by resorting to
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As a last word Marie-Julie Jahenny has anticipated all Events ( and
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"True Geology" Foundation Document
http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/69327
"Turcaud Bath" as a free gift to Suffering Humanity
http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/view/107947
Shouldn't you be in E.R. having my shoe removed
from your ass?
> I hope you aint moving the goalpost yet again !!!
>
I hope you are not ignoring what I actually posted.
> 600 million jewish deaths is still NOT enough for you.
>
Oh, well - you ignored it.
> How many do you want ?
Thanks for letting me know now that you are
not worth disucssing naything with.
Susan
All I said was that humans have a common ancestor, contrary to those
who think other hominids were involved, or that we are descended from
extra terrestrials. This is the scientific position. That's all. Do
you understand, or are you as thick as you seem? I said nothing about
"race is myth", nor do waste any time dwelling on it.
You are the one jumping to illogical conclusions about what was said.
You seem well practiced at hysterical over reactions based on your
massive ignorance.
> Hint: if you're going to let politics be your science, choose a
> subject
> that isn't so easy to refute with even general observation.
What politics are those, cretin?
> > Why would the truth inflame them so much?
>
> You tell me.
Hint: I'm not inflamed, you are! But who cares, it's all about you,
isn't it sweetie?
Kisses.
You're so deluded you think YOU pwned ME? Seriously? You need
strapping-and-zapping.
ZioNazi tards *always* think killing will solve their problems.
Proven trait.
Ever hear of projecting self-hating Jew?
Common occurrence.
> On Jul 15, 10:24�am, Sanity's Little Helper <elv...@noshpam.org>
> wrote:
>> It is an ancient Kangaroo Court Australia <nwn.webmas...@gmail.com>, and he
>> posteth:
>>
>>> Thats NOT very SEMANTIC ;)
>>
>>> He doesnt discriminate at all, he hates everyone equally ^^
>>
>> Especially himself.
>
> Ever hear of projecting self-hating Jew?
You're a Jew? Wow!
So was Adolf Hitler !!! :eek:
> > You're a Jew? Wow!
> >
> > --
>
>
> So was Adolf Hitler !!! :eek:
If you had any doubt that you were a
moron, you've had it confirmed here.
Susan