Iran is a Nazi monster
simple.lan...@gmail.com
What is currently and sadly unfolding in Lebanon and Iran is a
replicate of the Hitler-Nazi phenomenon. Most European nations, as
well as many other influential countries had falsely deceived
themselves into believing that Hitler's aggressiveness and greed could
be cajoled and appeased by some kind of subjection here and there.
They did not take his territorial expansionist schemes seriously, and
failed to contain his madness when they were still capable of doing
so. They initially did not unite to encounter his many invasions to
neighboring countries, and when they decided to do so and move from
the defensive to the offensive strategy, it was too late. Their
appeasement forced the whole free world to sacrifice dozens of
millions of lives, in addition to massive destruction, huge financial
losses, and laborious years of horrible wars, agony, and suffering,
before Hitler was defeated. Luckily he could not acquire the atomic
bomb before the USA, otherwise, he would have destroyed the whole
globe.
___________________________
source: http://www.nationalreview.com/script/printpage.p?ref=/comment/ottolenghi200602130806.asp
The vast majority of Europeans believe Iran is trying to develop
nuclear weapons.
The vast majority wish the Iranian plans to be thwarted.
If all other solutions fail, and it is a choice between military
strikes and Iran getting nuclear weapons:
74 percent in France support military strikes, 20 percent against.
51 percent in Austria support military strikes, 40 percent against.
45 percent in UK support military strikes, 26 percent against.
46 percent in Germany support military strikes, 45 percent against.
___________________________
source: http://tigerhawk.blogspot.com/2006/06/annotating-latest-pew-global-attitudes.html
Pew Global Attitudes Project survey, 2006
The majority in America, France, Germany, Britain and Spain believe
Iran will use its nuclear weapons against Israel. Support for strikes
on Iran may not be as weak as thought.
The majority in Turkey, Jordan and Egypt agree (that Iran will use its
nuclear weapons against Israel). Many of these of course would support
such an attack.
Support for Israel has been rising in America, France, Germany and
Britain since 2002, as people finally face the Islamist terror that
Israel has faced alone for decades.
The vast majority who express a preference support Israel in America.
The majority who express a preference now support Israel in Germany,
and it is a draw in France. Only in Britain does a majority support
the Palestinians.
___________________________
source: http://globalpolitician.com/24246-iran-britain-interview
Do you personally believe that Iran is building nuclear weapons?
Yes and I say this for a number of reasons. The first is that the
Regime hid Iran's nuclear programme for 18 years, until it was exposed
by the Iranian opposition in 2002. Secondly, the Iranian regime has at
no point allowed the IAEA full access to all of its nuclear sites.
Thirdly, a country such as Iran, which has such a wealth of natural
resources, simply does not require peaceful nuclear energy. Finally,
the Iranian regime has been offered every deal imaginable, including
the terror listing of the PMOI in an attempt to persuade it to come
clean about the extent of its program. Iran has rejected each and
every one.
___________________________
"Islam makes it incumbent on all adult males, provided they are not
disabled and incapacitated, to prepare themselves for the conquest of
(other) countries so that the writ of Islam is obeyed in every country
in the world." - Ayatollah Khomeini
“We do not worship Iran, we worship Allah. For patriotism is another
name for paganism. I say let this land [Iran] burn. I say let this
land go up in smoke, provided Islam emerges triumphant in the rest of
the world.” - Ayatollah Khomeini
"Allah did not create man so that he could have fun. The aim of
creation was for mankind to be put to the test through hardship and
prayer. An Islamic regime must be serious in every field. There are no
jokes in Islam. There is no humor in Islam. There is no fun in Islam.
There can be no fun and joy in whatever is serious." - Ayatollah
Khomeini
"Those who oppose the mullahs oppose Islam itself; eliminate the
mullahs and Islam shall disappear in fifty years. It is only the
mullahs who can bring the people into the streets and make them die
for Islam - begging to have their blood shed for Islam." - Ayatollah
Khomeini
Ördög
> source:http://www.globalpolitician.com/25215-iran-hezbollah
Blah...bile...brimstone...fire...hate...fear...paranoia...hate...fear..scare...booo!
........
So let me counter your propaganda with a little truth written by Jews
for the Jews....
Learn from it moron!
http://www.counterpunch.org/neumann06052006.html
A Jewish critique of the excesses and manipulations of the zionist
propaganda industry
Review: A Threat from Within
Jewish Opposition to Zionism
By MICHAEL NEUMANN
Professor Yakov Rabkin offers us an unusual book. It is not history,
because it does not present a narrative of Jewish opposition to
Zionism, nor a systematic analysis of its causes and development. It
is not polemic--though Rabkin's sympathies are clear, he presents the
arguments of others far more than his own. It has too much anecdote
and too many vignettes to count as philosophy; it is too philosophical
to count as politics or sociology.
Jewish Opposition to Zionism not only defies categorization; it also
belies its title--at least for most of us. There have been other
books, collections of essays, on Jewish opposition to Zionism. They
contain essays by such 'modern', secular Jews as Norman Finkelstein,
Uri Avnery, Norton Mezvinsky, Israel Shahak, perhaps early works by
Martin Buber or Alfred Lilienthal. Often as not they argue the cause
of the Palestinians and appeal to such standards as international law,
or the Geneva Convention, or the UN's Universal Declaration of Human
Rights.
None of this will be found in Rabkin's work, yet his title is
appropriate. Rabkin brings us into the world of the anti-Zionist
orthodox, for whom Zionism is the antithesis of Judaism and the
destroyer of everything properly speaking Jewish. This may seem like
an irrelevance today, or at least as a topic of very limited interest.
By Rabkin's own account, the numbers of these orthodox anti-Zionists
are small, and their influence has declined steadily over the last
century. To many they are a lunatic fringe; to most they are a force
with little political future. But Rabkin teaches us about realities we
could never understand without his help. He deepens--that's utterly
accurate here--our understanding of Zionism and Judaism; he reveals
what the former has done to the latter; and in the end his message
could not be more contemporary or more relevant to the present
conflicts in the Middle East.
I had, when I was young, some religious instruction in Judaism--in a
conservative, not a reform temple school. I grew up among Jews whose
piety varied from, well, none, to extreme. I came away with a general
picture of Judaism and Jewishness we all shared. God had promised
Israel to us. Our people had been exiled for various sins--God seemed
kind of picky about worshiping idols and such. Then we endured a
series of catastrophes and evils, from the destruction of the temple
to the medieval persecutions to the pogroms of Eastern Europe. These
were dwarfed by a horror such as no other people had suffered--what I
knew as Hitler's Final Solution and what today get the pseudo-Biblical
tag, The Holocaust. Yet the Jewish people arose from these ashes to
found Israel, a refuge, a defense and, frankly, an instrument of
vengeance against past and present enemies. We fought and fight for
justice, for others as well as ourselves; we take pride in our
strength; we stand on guard against the greatest evils, the evils of
racial hate. We are reborn.
One could quite easily pass from this to quite strong opposition to
Israeli policies without altering the narrative substantially.
Israel's cruelties 'betrayed' our fine ideals, 'made a mockery' out of
the traditional Jewish love of justice. Jews, who had suffered so
much, should understand the suffering of the Palestinians--not to
mention that we should also stop inflicting it. And the growing number
of Jews who stand up to protest Israeli crimes testify to the
persistence and renascence of true Jewish ideals. Against the false
'beacon of democracy' that is Israel, its Jewish critics hold up the
true light of justice and compassion.
Rabkin not only destroys this narrative; he shames those who subscribe
to it. His attack departs from what may seem an unpromising bit of
theology. God--he reports the orthodox account--did not give the land
of Israel to any race or 'people' in our sense of these words. He gave
it to those who obeyed him, who lived by the Torah and His
commandments, and only so long as they did so. In this sense alone did
He give it to the Jews. And God was no mere stickler for what we may
think of as the trivialities of ritual. 'His' people had sinned
deeply, and for their sins they were in exile. To undo this exile was
to compound the sin. No greater defiance of God and corruption of
Jewish religion was conceivable. The Jews would return to Israel if
and when they returned to God's ways, not before. Those who came back
under the power of the gun--no matter how religious--were no Jews at
all, but apostates and enemies of God. And this is why Zionism, which
preaches redemption without repentance, and which trusts in armies and
nation-states rather than God, is the enemy and destroyer of Judaism,
of the Jews. Israelis have been known to revel in their pride, even
their arrogance. Orthodox Jews preach humility and see strength, not
in tanks or missiles, but in the very demanding, very difficult
business of accepting suffering and God's will.
At first glance, secular readers may find all this unconvincing and
unenlightening. Real Jews follow God; they don't sin--this seems
quaint. That the Final Solution was a punishment for sin seems
positively offensive. And what sort of world do we live in? The sort
that can be illuminated by some strait-laced, moralistic theology from
a distant past?
Yet one needn't embrace the theology to find in it a revelation.
Judaism and Jewishness, it seems, need not be an exercise in unending
self-congratulation and competitive victimhood. It need not be a
racial creed either; the 'chosen people' are not chosen in virtue of
birth or blood or kinship. In fact they are not really 'chosen' at
all--God is not their spouse or sugardaddy but their ex: the divorce
was the fault of the Jews themselves, and remarriage is a possibility
but it will take some very serious, very costly effort. There is a
message here even for those Jews who no longer worship any God.
'The Judaeo-Christian tradition' turns out to be no empty phrase. It
refers, at least in part, to a morality that can survive apart from
religious faith. Like Christianity, 'true Torah Judaism' sees pride
not as a virtue but as a cardinal sin. More important, the orthodox
creed insists that Jews have not inherited some moral carte blanche
from their sufferings. They should not advertise their victimhood or
promote themselves. Instead of trumpeting 'their' achievements--as if
the accomplishments of brilliant Jews were some badge of racial
superiority--they should take responsibility for their misdeeds. They
should seek, not power, but to live peaceably with others, not in
'their own state' (the orthodox view states and peoples with just
suspicion) but in whatever state they find themselves to be. In other
words much of what is labeled 'antisemitic' by Zionists today--the
denial of the specialness of the Jewish people or of any sense of
entitlement proceeding from their sufferings--becomes, in the light of
orthodox critiques of Zionism, something much closer to ordinary
morality.
There is much else in Rabkin's book--priceless anecdotes, suppressed
history, ruthless analytical critique and a valuable portrait of what
real religion should look like. There are even important reminders of
some very basic, all-too-contemporary facts. One hears, for example,
that orthodox Jews in Israel are exempt from army service and
subsidized in various ways. One might suppose that this is simply an
Israeli tribute to piety--far from it. The subsidies and exemptions
enjoyed by orthodox Jews are part of a compromise that reconciles them
to cooperation with the Zionists, a movement they generally abhor:
support for their religious life and exemption from defending Israel
are the price the orthodox exact for limited cooperation with an
enterprize they reject. Rabkin asserts that most orthodox Jews in
Israel do not recognize Israel's right to exist. If this were more
widely understood, it would be much harder for secular American
Zionist Jews to condemn this position as antisemitic and cognate with
Islamic fundamentalism.
Rarely does a work on what may seem an esoteric subject offer such
urgently important insights. I doubt anyone can read this book without
coming out much the wiser for it, and in many different ways.
Michael Neumann is a professor of philosophy at Trent University in
Ontario, Canada. Professor Neumann's views are not to be taken as
those of his university. His book What's Left: Radical Politics and
the Radical Psyche has just been republished by Broadview Press. He
contributed the essay, "What is Anti-Semitism", to CounterPunch's
book, The Politics of Anti-Semitism. His latest book is The Case
Against Israel. He can be reached at: mneu...@trentu.ca.
Finkelstein’s final chapter is called "The Double Shakedown". In it,
he argues that "in recent years, the Holocaust industry has become an
outright extortion racket. Purporting to represent all of world Jewry,
living and dead, it is laying claim to Holocaust-era Jewish assets
throughout Europe." He particularly examines the recent campaign to
extort money from Swiss banks that supposedly took advantage of Jewish
victims of the holocaust. He points out that many of the charges were
based on deceit, and that the final settlement was based on blackmail
rather than justice: the threat being that if the Swiss refused to pay
up, the Jewish lobby worldwide would attack them and threaten to bring
down their banking system. The settlement was thus extorted even
before an objective study of the issue was completed.
Finkelstein also points out that many of those running the campaigns —
both Jewish individuals and institutions — are in fact getting rich on
the money they are supposedly claiming on behalf of holocaust
survivors; his title refers to the fact that both the Swiss and the
survivors were "shaken down". Similar campaigns are now being prepared
against German banks and other European institutions, though not
against Israel’s ally, the US, which — Finkelstein points out —
followed broadly similar policies to the Swiss.
All this is material that no non-Jew can hope to say without being
viciously attacked by the zionist lobby. Even Finkelstein and others
like him are routinely attacked as being ‘self-hating’ Jews, and the
fact that papers such as Crescent quote him will no doubt also be used
against him in future. In publishing this book, however, Finkelstein
has done a favour not only to fellow anti-zionists, but also to other
Jews.
The fact is that zionists today are not only the greatest reason for
‘holocaust denial’, but also the greatest promoters of anti-semitism,
by committing all their offences in the name of Judaism; it is hardly
surprising then that some people should blame all Jews for the
zionists’ offences. Writers such as Finkelstein, for reminding the
world that there are Jews who recognise their co-religionists’ sins,
may be attacked today; but when Jews look back and recognise zionism
as yet another disastrous episode in their history, they will be
grateful that they can point also to Jews such as Norman G.
Finkelstein.
Ördög (The friendly Hungarian Devil in service of aus.politics and
Usenet)
Either the neocons go or civilisation does!
Paul P
>
> What is currently and sadly unfolding in Lebanon and Iran is a
> replicate of the Hitler-Nazi phenomenon. Most European nations, as
> well as many other influential countries had falsely deceived
> themselves into believing that Hitler's aggressiveness and greed could
> be cajoled and appeased by some kind of subjection here and there.
> They did not take his territorial expansionist schemes seriously, and
> failed to contain his madness when they were still capable of doing
> so. They initially did not unite to encounter his many invasions to
> neighboring countries, and when they decided to do so and move from
> the defensive to the offensive strategy, it was too late.
Iran hasn't invaded another country in 2000 years.
Unlike a few other countries I can think of...
Paul P
B J Foster
He means that Iran is not *our* Nazi monster
Mr. 7%
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>What is currently and sadly unfolding in Lebanon and Iran is a
Fight your own fucking wars for once you lazy Israeli cunts!
Iran Jews love it there, they actually get more rights than most Iranians
and the Israeli's can't even fucking bribe them to leave.
Zionazi's are trying to blur the line between Zionazism and Judism, but
people are starting to catch onto their tricks. I do not mind Jews, but I do
think Zionazi's need a nuke up their arses.. every single one of the
fuckers.
±DoügßÇ
title as the "religion of peace" than the truth about it's
genocidal hatred, persecution/oppression/murder of infidels
and rampant, legalized pedophilia.
Rest of whoredoggie's anti-semitic BS flushed down the loo.
"Ördög" <tz81...@sneakemail.com> wrote in message
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±DoügßÇ
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Yeah, who cares if their leaders rant and rave about annihilating
Israel.
Who cares if Iran is a brutal islamonazi theocracy that oppresses
/persecutes people of other faiths and still enforces blasphemy,
apostasy and heresy laws in the 21st century (but only for pislam).
Duncan Patton a Campbell
Iran has a functioning Parliamentary Democracy. Which the Bushites
CANNOT STAND: to them, "Demacrisy"(TM) is an Americun Invenshun,
and the Colonia are not allowed to participate.
Israel is has been totally railroaded on the situation and is being
used as a "whipping boy" for Nixon/Reagan/Bush foreign policy.
Dhu
±DoügßÇ
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> On Mon, 29 Sep 2008 07:46:40 -0400
> Paul P <a...@b.com> wrote:
>
>> simple.lan...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >
>> > What is currently and sadly unfolding in Lebanon and Iran is a
>> > replicate of the Hitler-Nazi phenomenon. Most European nations, as
>> > well as many other influential countries had falsely deceived
>> > themselves into believing that Hitler's aggressiveness and greed could
>> > be cajoled and appeased by some kind of subjection here and there.
>> > They did not take his territorial expansionist schemes seriously, and
>> > failed to contain his madness when they were still capable of doing
>> > so. They initially did not unite to encounter his many invasions to
>> > neighboring countries, and when they decided to do so and move from
>> > the defensive to the offensive strategy, it was too late.
>>
>> Iran hasn't invaded another country in 2000 years.
>>
>> Unlike a few other countries I can think of...
>>
>> Paul P
>
> Iran has a functioning Parliamentary Democracy. Which the Bushites
> CANNOT STAND: to them, "Demacrisy"(TM) is an Americun Invenshun,
> and the Colonia are not allowed to participate.
>
LOL. Best joke I've read all day.
fasgnadh
> "Paul P" <a...@b.com> wrote in message
> news:6kbth4F...@mid.individual.net...
>> simple.lan...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> What is currently and sadly unfolding in Lebanon and Iran is a
>>> replicate of the Hitler-Nazi phenomenon. Most European nations, as
>>> well as many other influential countries had falsely deceived
>>> themselves into believing that Hitler's aggressiveness and greed could
>>> be cajoled and appeased by some kind of subjection here and there.
>>> They did not take his territorial expansionist schemes seriously, and
>>> failed to contain his madness when they were still capable of doing
>>> so. They initially did not unite to encounter his many invasions to
>>> neighboring countries, and when they decided to do so and move from
>>> the defensive to the offensive strategy, it was too late.
>>
>> Iran hasn't invaded another country in 2000 years.
>>
>> Unlike a few other countries I can think of...
The USSA?
Started a coup in Iran in 1953, as well!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat
The fact the Iranians threw out their puppet and captured
their embassy so they couldn't co-ordinate another coup
still has them apoplectic with rage! B^D
> Yeah, who cares if their leaders rant and rave
Yeah, Bush can fulminate all he wants.. he's finished.
> about annihilating Israel.
Ah yes, another Bush lie.
That old crock, it's simply wrong, and the translation errors
(deliberate on the part of the Bush White House) have been refuted
by Persian speaking American Professors, the Middle Eastern
Media Research Unit and denied by the Iranians themselves!
"Many news sources have presented one of Ahmadinejad's phrases in
Persian as a statement that "Israel must be wiped off the map" an
English idiom which means to "obliterate totally", and "destroy completely
But is that what Mr. Ahmadinejad said? And if so, was it a threat of
war? For months, a debate among Iran specialists over both questions has
been intensifying. It starts as a dispute over translating Persian but
quickly turns on whether the United States (with help from Israel) is
doing to Iran what some believe it did to Iraq — building a case for
military action predicated on a faulty premise.
"Ahmadinejad did not say he was going to wipe Israel off the map because
no such idiom exists in Persian," remarked Juan Cole, a Middle East
specialist at the University of Michigan and critic of American policy
who has argued that the Iranian president was misquoted. "He did say he
hoped its regime, i.e., a Jewish-Zionist state occupying Jerusalem,
would collapse." Since Iran has not "attacked another country
aggressively for over a century," he said in an e-mail exchange, "I
smell the whiff of war propaganda."
- New York Times June 11th 2006
Juan Cole translates the Persian phrase (It's a quote from
a long dead Imam, and not a threat) as:
The Imam said that this regime occupying Jerusalem
(een rezhim-e eshghalgar-e qods) must [vanish from]
the page of time (bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad)"
"Ahmadinejad did not say he was going to 'wipe Israel off the map'
because no such idiom exists in Persian" and "He did say he hoped its
REGIME, i.e., a Jewish-Zionist state occupying Jerusalem, would
collapse." - Juan Cole
---------
The Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI) translates the phrase
similarly:
[T]his regime that is occupying Qods [Jerusalem] must be
eliminated from the pages of history.
http://memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Page=archives&Area=sd&ID=SP101305
One notes that the speech contains a number of quotes referring to
the passing away of oppressive regimes, the Shah, the Soviet Union,
the Zionist regime, none of which involved a military threat by Iran.
---------
Iran itself has repeatedly rejected the allegations that
Ahmadinejad has stated 'Israel must be wiped off the map'
So we have Iranians, AND Western Farsi experts saying that the
QUOTE refers to the collapse of the Zionist regime, not
eradicating Jews or wiping out Israel.
NEITHER 'JEWS' NOR 'ISRAEL', NOR 'MAP' ARE MENTIONED! B^D
Of course the truth does not suit the USSA or Webb. B^p
Shades of WMD bullshit, eh?
________________________
"Iran denies wanting to "wipe Israel off the map"
Reuters February 20, 2006
BRUSSELS (Reuters) - Iran's foreign minister denied on Monday that
Tehran wanted to see Israel "wiped off the map," saying President
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad had been misunderstood.
"Nobody can remove a country from the map. This is a
misunderstanding in Europe of what our president mentioned,"
Manouchehr Mottaki told a news conference, speaking in English,
after addressing the European Parliament.
"How is it possible to remove a country from the map?
He is talking about the regime. We do not recognize
legally this regime," he said"
_______________________
Golly, who to believe.. ±DogßÇ or Western Academics and Farsi
speakers, who confirm what the Iranians themselves say! B^)
> Who cares if Iran is a brutal islamonazi theocracy
We all do, but it's a democracy
> that oppresses /persecutes people of other faiths
Like at abu Ghraib and Gitmo, torture, rendition and
murder?
Who are you to talk?
The Doctor
Iran democratic is a joke of a notion.
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> In article <TW5Ek.2642$be....@nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com>,
>
>
>
>
>
> ±DoügßÇ <noün...@now.com> wrote:
> >news:20080929081509.0...@neotext.ca...
> >> On Mon, 29 Sep 2008 07:46:40 -0400
> >> Paul P <a...@b.com> wrote:
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
Looking through this thread I found a beautiful
description of the "chosenness" of Jews -
something antisemites do to death in lying
about what it means.
"He gave it [Israel] to those who obeyed him,
who lived by the Torah and His commandments,
[all 613!] and only so long as they did so. In this
sense alone did He give it to the Jews."
[My brackets]
It has also been noted that in the mad Azeri's
speech at the UN he used all the "classic"
antisemitic slurs.
simple.lan...@gmail.com
jgarbuz
The Iranians are a good people, indeed an excellent people. But the
regime is an Islamofascist regime, and the regime is in power, and
that power is entrenched. But the earliest Zionists were Persians,
Cyrus and Darius,the first Persian emperors, who permitted the Jews
to return from Babylonian exile and rebuild their temple. The Persians
were considered by Jews for many centuries as their best friends, when
the Persians were Zoroastrians.
andyc...@googlemail.com
> >news:20080929081509.0...@neotext.ca...
> >> On Mon, 29 Sep 2008 07:46:40 -0400
> >> Paul P <a...@b.com> wrote:
>
>
> >>> > What is currently and sadly unfolding in Lebanon and Iran is a
> >>> > replicate of the Hitler-Nazi phenomenon. Most European nations, as
> >>> > well as many other influential countries had falsely deceived
> >>> > themselves into believing that Hitler's aggressiveness and greed could
> >>> > be cajoled and appeased by some kind of subjection here and there.
> >>> > They did not take his territorial expansionist schemes seriously, and
> >>> > failed to contain his madness when they were still capable of doing
> >>> > so. They initially did not unite to encounter his many invasions to
> >>> > neighboring countries, and when they decided to do so and move from
> >>> > the defensive to the offensive strategy, it was too late.
>
> >>> Iran hasn't invaded another country in 2000 years.
>
> >>> Unlike a few other countries I can think of...
>
> >>> Paul P
>
> >> Iran has a functioning Parliamentary Democracy. Which the Bushites
> >> CANNOT STAND: to them, "Demacrisy"(TM) is an Americun Invenshun,
> >> and the Colonia are not allowed to participate.
>
> >LOL. Best joke I've read all day.
>
> >> Israel is has been totally railroaded on the situation and is being
> >> used as a "whipping boy" for Nixon/Reagan/Bush foreign policy.
>
> >> Dhu
>
> Iran democratic is a joke of a notion.
If democracies allow unjustified invasion of countries that are no
threat, who needs it?
B J Foster
Well gee, he just got quoted by Sunni Sheikh Maher Hamoud of Lebanon:
"Dr. Ahmadinejad, IRI's revolutionary President has told the world that
the destruction of Israel was inevitable and we believe that this is a
forgotten Qoranic reality that is raised by the Iranian President"
http://www.iribnews.ir/Full_en.asp?news_id=259245
Sheikh Hamoud must have read Iran Broadcasting's translation in 1995 too...
"Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad called for Israel to be 'wiped
off the map'".
http://www.iribnews.ir/Full_en.asp?news_id=204682&n=35
>
> "Ahmadinejad did not say he was going to wipe Israel off the map because
> no such idiom exists in Persian," remarked Juan Cole, a Middle East
> specialist at the University of Michigan and critic of American policy
> who has argued that the Iranian president was misquoted. "He did say he
> hoped its regime, i.e., a Jewish-Zionist state occupying Jerusalem,
> would collapse." Since Iran has not "attacked another country
> aggressively for over a century," he said in an e-mail exchange, "I
> smell the whiff of war propaganda."
>
> - New York Times June 11th 2006
>
> Juan Cole translates the Persian phrase (It's a quote from
> a long dead Imam, and not a threat) as:
>
> The Imam said that this regime occupying Jerusalem
> (een rezhim-e eshghalgar-e qods) must [vanish from]
> the page of time (bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad)"
Whilst Juan Cole may be right about the "whiff of war propaganda" he is
naive in his interpretation. Ahmadinejad and other Iranian government
spokespeople use 'Israel' and 'Jews' and 'Zionist Regime' interchangeably:
For example:
"President Ahmadinejad made the remarks while responding a question on
America and *Zionist* *regime's* threats against Iran in an interview
with the Malaysian official news agency (BERNAMA) and its state television.
'Not only America and *Israel*, but a hundred others like them cannot
attack Iran and they know it themselves', President Ahmadinejad stressed".
http://www.iribnews.ir/Full_en.asp?news_id=256200&n=12
Zionist regime in one breath and Israel in the next. IOW, Ahmadinejad
himself debunks Cole's theory.
>
> "Ahmadinejad did not say he was going to 'wipe Israel off the map'
Yes, he did. Iranian Broadcasting, Iran Press and his own website
translated him as saying exactly that:
http://www.iribnews.ir/Full_en.asp?news_id=204682&n=35
> because no such idiom exists in Persian" and "He did say he hoped its
> REGIME, i.e., a Jewish-Zionist state occupying Jerusalem, would
> collapse." - Juan Cole
>
Another example (there are hundreds):
"Qods, Dec 12 - The Zionist regime of Israel on Sunday announced ..."
http://www.iribnews.ir/Full_en.asp?news_id=203332&n=39
IOW, 'Qods' is synonymous with 'Jerusalem' and 'Zionist regime' with
'Israel'.
> ---------
>
> The Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI) translates the phrase
> similarly:
>
> [T]his regime that is occupying Qods [Jerusalem] must be
> eliminated from the pages of history.
>
> http://memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Page=archives&Area=sd&ID=SP101305
>
> One notes that the speech contains a number of quotes referring to
> the passing away of oppressive regimes, the Shah, the Soviet Union,
> the Zionist regime, none of which involved a military threat by Iran.
BTW, MEMRI is run by Israeli interests.
>
> ---------
>
> Iran itself has repeatedly rejected the allegations that
> Ahmadinejad has stated 'Israel must be wiped off the map'
Crap. When asked about it, he avoided the question:
"TIME: You have been quoted as saying 'Israel' should be wiped off the
map. Was that merely rhetoric, or do you mean it?"
Ahmadinejad: People in the world are free to think the way they wish...."
(avoids the question)
http://www.iribnews.ir/Full_en.asp?news_id=221655&n=31
>
> So we have Iranians, AND Western Farsi experts saying that the
> QUOTE refers to the collapse of the Zionist regime, not
> eradicating Jews or wiping out Israel.
We have Iranian Press, Sunni mullahs, Al Jazeera and Ahmadinejad himself
confirming that he *did* in fact say it.
>
> NEITHER 'JEWS' NOR 'ISRAEL', NOR 'MAP' ARE MENTIONED! B^D
"Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad called for Israel to be 'wiped
off the map'".
http://www.iribnews.ir/Full_en.asp?news_id=204682&n=35
>
> Of course the truth does not suit the USSA or Webb. B^p
>
> Shades of WMD bullshit, eh?
> ________________________
>
> "Iran denies wanting to "wipe Israel off the map"
>
> Reuters February 20, 2006
>
> BRUSSELS (Reuters) - Iran's foreign minister denied on Monday that
> Tehran wanted to see Israel "wiped off the map," saying President
> Mahmoud Ahmadinejad had been misunderstood.
Not much room for misunderstanding here...
"Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad called for Israel to be 'wiped
off the map'".
http://www.iribnews.ir/Full_en.asp?news_id=204682&n=35
"Prior to the Islamic Revolution, IRIB was known as the National Iranian
Radio and Television or NIRT. The constitution further specifies that
the director of the organization is chosen directly by the Supreme
Leader for 5 years, and two representatives from The Judiciary, The
President, and The Parliament, each, are to oversee the organization".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRIB
Hmmm. Not the New York Times, eh?
>
> "Nobody can remove a country from the map. This is a
> misunderstanding in Europe of what our president mentioned,"
> Manouchehr Mottaki told a news conference, speaking in English,
> after addressing the European Parliament.
>
> "How is it possible to remove a country from the map?
> He is talking about the regime. We do not recognize
> legally this regime," he said"
"In Iran, we don't have homosexuals, like in your country"
(Ahmadinejad speaking at Columbia university)
And of course, he doesn't believe in the holocaust either.
And "Iranian Women in Iran enjoy the highest levels of freedom"
Duncan Patton a Campbell
doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
> In article <TW5Ek.2642$be....@nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com>,
It is assuredly more democratic than Cromwell's England, and possibly more than the US Now.
Just because you don't like the choices, don't mean you got no choice.
Dhu
Seon Ferguson
how a country can be a Nazi? its like saying Australia is a liberal or
America is a republican. It just doesnt make sense but then hatred never
made sense with me.
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Viejo Vizcacha
> I know simple language is a troll but can another bigot please explain
> to me how a country can be a Nazi? its like saying Australia is a
> liberal or America is a republican. It just doesnt make sense but then
> hatred never made sense with me.
>
Simplemind es the typical hate filled nazi. She despises Jews, like most
of her countryfolks in Poland. But, like US Christian fundamentalists,
she prefers to have Jews in Israel, doing the bidding of Christian
fundamentalists. In that Nazis and Zionists have a common ground: they
want Jews out of other countries and going to Israel, so they can defend
US interests in the Middle East. She knows that the job of Israel is to
be the front man of the US, and she wants Jews to think that she is
looking after their interests when displaying hate towards Muslims.
VV
Seon Ferguson
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Oh a she bigot thats a first in this group. I dont believe Christians should
hate Jews. Not only was Jesus a Jew and the 12 disciples and the people who
foretold Jesus would come but according to the Bible Jesus had to die for
our sins. So it shouldnt matter who killed him, we all killed him. He even
knew what was going to happen but knew he had to fulfill his role as the
suffering servent. So as you can see I dont see the logic in a Christian
hating the Jews. But hatred in general is ilogical.
Its also rare to see someone who is both anti semetic and a Muslim hating
bigot. Usually its only one or the other.
fasgnadh
How does a repetition of the same lie, by a traditional enemy
of the Shia, make any difference to the facts, BJ?
> "Dr. Ahmadinejad, IRI's revolutionary President has told the world that
> the destruction of Israel was inevitable and we believe that this is a
> forgotten Qoranic reality that is raised by the Iranian President"
> http://www.iribnews.ir/Full_en.asp?news_id=259245
>
> Sheikh Hamoud must have read Iran Broadcasting's translation in 1995 too...
> "Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad called for Israel to be 'wiped
> off the map'".
> http://www.iribnews.ir/Full_en.asp?news_id=204682&n=35
Where's the verbatim translation? The Sheik's comment is
just another "paraphrase" and you have seen those from SirVile and
±DoügßÇ, who have the same malign intent. B^p
>> "Ahmadinejad did not say he was going to wipe Israel off the map because
>> no such idiom exists in Persian," remarked Juan Cole, a Middle East
>> specialist at the University of Michigan
Juan Cole is a former Bahai, a group who are fiercely persecuted in
Iran, so he is hardly a pro-Iranian spokesOrk. He's a respected M.E.
scholar and has given a precise verbatim translation from Farsi.
And you quote the OPINION of a Sunni sheik and a media error?
Yesterday every media organisation around the world reported
the successful negotiation of a Socialist Rescue Package.
Today the Dow Jones has plunged a record 6.9% on news that
the negotiations had failed and Congress has not passed the Bill.
Clearly you have never been to an event later reported in the
news and seen the gap between reality and reportage.
No wonder the Greatest Military Power on the planet was duped
by rumours about WMD's into starting a war, slaughtering hundreds
of thousands and squandering a trillion dollars
and critic of American policy
>> who has argued that the Iranian president was misquoted. "He did say he
>> hoped its regime, i.e., a Jewish-Zionist state occupying Jerusalem,
>> would collapse." Since Iran has not "attacked another country
>> aggressively for over a century," he said in an e-mail exchange, "I
>> smell the whiff of war propaganda."
>>
>> - New York Times June 11th 2006
>>
>> Juan Cole translates the Persian phrase (It's a quote from
>> a long dead Imam, and not a threat) as:
>>
>> The Imam said that this regime occupying Jerusalem
>> (een rezhim-e eshghalgar-e qods) must [vanish from]
>> the page of time (bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad)"
>
> Whilst Juan Cole may be right about the "whiff of war propaganda"
And he may certainly be right about his translation of the Farsi!
> he is naive in his interpretation.
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAAHHAAA
I have been in online discussion groups with Cole, a decade ago,
and he is a fierce intellect.
There is no need to 'interpret' what was said once you see
and accurate TRANSLATION.
All of you argument is based on ignoring the fact that the translation
shows that what was said was NOT what you claim was said, and
so you have to cite opinions, and erroneous second sources about what
you THINK IT MEANT.
You interpret your navel, i'll read what is said.
> Ahmadinejad and other Iranian government
> spokespeople use 'Israel' and 'Jews' and 'Zionist Regime' interchangeably:
I'm a rational human with no love of Iran, having condemned it's human
rights position and treatment of Bahai's. I have posted numerous times
on the torture in Iran of a close friend of mine, so I'm happy for
you to present your translation of the Farsi...
Just one point before you make a complete fool of yourself on this one.
The passage in question is Ahmadinejad QUOTING, verbatim,
a long dead Imam..
So how exactly is Ahmadinejad QUOTING 'interchangeably? B^D
Your argument becomes ABSURD, and your argument from prejudice
apparent, when you admit he said
"The Imam said that this regime occupying Jerusalem
must [vanish from] the page of time "
and claim this is 'We will wipe Israel from the Map"
But thanks for making it clear you are the one interchanging what was
ACTUALLY said, (no mention of "Israel", "Jews" "Map" or "Wipe off"
in the original to a fabrication -- which is what propagandists present!
Outrageous intellectual dishonesty.
I believe there are many things about Ahmadinejad and Iran which
deserve criticism and condemnation, the persecution of gays,
religious minorities, the holocaust denial.. there really is no
need for you to fabricate in this way.
And this extraneous spin is laughable, and again signifies your
motivation and intent:
> For example:
> "President Ahmadinejad made the remarks while responding a question on
> America and *Zionist* *regime's* threats against Iran in an interview
> with the Malaysian official news agency (BERNAMA) and its state television.
>
> 'Not only America and *Israel*, but a hundred others like them cannot
> attack Iran and they know it themselves', President Ahmadinejad stressed".
> http://www.iribnews.ir/Full_en.asp?news_id=256200&n=12
>
> Zionist regime in one breath and Israel in the next. IOW, Ahmadinejad
> himself debunks Cole's theory.
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHAAA
It is a measure of desperation to accumulate a mountain of
such pathetic drivel because the passage in question does
not say what you claim it does.
How many politicians are asked one question and answer another?
"Where do you stand on abortion"
"I am opposed to murder of infants"
Proof to BJ, and PROOF to the anti-Abortionists, that
abortion and murder are synonyms! pffffft!
It is your dredging of this kind of shite, because your
case on the central issue is so pathetically weak,
which makes you fabrication of the passage in question appear to
be deliberate and malign.
It really is the work of a propaganda effort, one with considerable
resources and a fairly clear goal.
In 2000 years Iran has not invaded another nation, I can't count
the times the USSA has projected it's perceived national interests
by invading, subverting and bullying other nations..
Whose the Rogue State?
>>
>> "Ahmadinejad did not say he was going to 'wipe Israel off the map'
>
> Yes, he did. Iranian Broadcasting, Iran Press and his own website
> translated him as saying exactly that:
> http://www.iribnews.ir/Full_en.asp?news_id=204682&n=35
As did numerous western media.
Incorrectly.
Read the actual words spoken, and stop basing your 'case',
your fabrication, on secondary sources, Mr Goebbles! B^[
>> because no such idiom exists in Persian" and "He did say he hoped its
>> REGIME, i.e., a Jewish-Zionist state occupying Jerusalem, would
>> collapse." - Juan Cole
>>
>
> Another example (there are hundreds):
> "Qods, Dec 12 - The Zionist regime of Israel on Sunday announced ..."
> http://www.iribnews.ir/Full_en.asp?news_id=203332&n=39
>
> IOW, 'Qods' is synonymous with 'Jerusalem' and 'Zionist regime' with
> 'Israel'.
>
>
>> ---------
>>
>> The Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI) translates the phrase
>> similarly:
>>
>> [T]his regime that is occupying Qods [Jerusalem] must be
>> eliminated from the pages of history.
>>
>> http://memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Page=archives&Area=sd&ID=SP101305
>>
>> One notes that the speech contains a number of quotes referring to
>> the passing away of oppressive regimes, the Shah, the Soviet Union,
>> the Zionist regime, none of which involved a military threat by Iran.
>
> BTW, MEMRI is run by Israeli interests.
You should pay attention to their translation instead
of your fabrications and media repetition of your errors.
But hat might explain why they use 'must be eliminated from
the pages of history' rather than 'vanish from the pages of history'
So tell us again.. where did you get "We will wipe Israel from the map?"
out of that? pfffft!
>> ---------
>>
>> Iran itself has repeatedly rejected the allegations that
>> Ahmadinejad has stated 'Israel must be wiped off the map'
>
> Crap. When asked about it, he avoided the question:
>
Crap, you can't categorically deny denials by quoting an
incidence where you claim evasion.
Again, you are acting like a propagandist rather than an
impartial truth seeker.
> "TIME: You have been quoted as saying 'Israel' should be wiped off the
> map. Was that merely rhetoric, or do you mean it?"
>
> Ahmadinejad: People in the world are free to think the way they wish...."
> (avoids the question)
> http://www.iribnews.ir/Full_en.asp?news_id=221655&n=31
>
>>
>> So we have Iranians, AND Western Farsi experts saying that the
>> QUOTE refers to the collapse of the Zionist regime, not
>> eradicating Jews or wiping out Israel.
>
> We have Iranian Press, Sunni mullahs, Al Jazeera and Ahmadinejad himself
> confirming that he *did* in fact say it.
But when we examine the verbatim quote we see they are wrong,
Watch media watch to see how often media repeat each others
incorrect secondary source reporting.
The people who, amused by New Age quackery, invented the
idea of Pyramid Power, were amazed, not by it's rapid spread
and adoption, but by the fact it continued despite their
public confession debunking it as fabricated rubbish.
In your case, it serves the political interests of the Bush
administration and the Israeli government to generate pretexts
for the openly threatened (and unprovoked) bombing of Iran.
But you don't seem interested in who is threatening who.
B^p
>>
>> NEITHER 'JEWS' NOR 'ISRAEL', NOR 'MAP' ARE MENTIONED! B^D
>
> "Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad called for Israel to be 'wiped
> off the map'".
> http://www.iribnews.ir/Full_en.asp?news_id=204682&n=35
I detect a note of propaganda by repeated repetition of falsehood,
Mr Goebbles.
>>
>> Of course the truth does not suit the USSA or Webb. B^p
>>
>> Shades of WMD bullshit, eh?
>> ________________________
>>
>> "Iran denies wanting to "wipe Israel off the map"
>>
>> Reuters February 20, 2006
>>
>> BRUSSELS (Reuters) - Iran's foreign minister denied on Monday that
>> Tehran wanted to see Israel "wiped off the map," saying President
>> Mahmoud Ahmadinejad had been misunderstood.
>
> Not much room for misunderstanding here...
>
> "Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad called for Israel to be 'wiped
> off the map'".
> http://www.iribnews.ir/Full_en.asp?news_id=204682&n=35
I detect a note of propaganda by repeated repetition of falsehood,
Mr Goebbles.
> "Prior to the Islamic Revolution, IRIB was known as the National Iranian
> Radio and Television or NIRT. The constitution further specifies that
> the director of the organization is chosen directly by the Supreme
> Leader for 5 years, and two representatives from The Judiciary, The
> President, and The Parliament, each, are to oversee the organization".
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRIB
>
> Hmmm. Not the New York Times, eh?
Certainly not as accurate and reliable a source, in my view. B^)
But like all media, prone to errors when facts aren't checked.
The entire western media ran with the US government's
"Iraq has WMDs which threaten us all" fantasy,
which the Iranians planted, BTW.
They all lie. I just prefer to detect the lies where I can,
and understand the dangerous motives some have for telling them.
>>
>> "Nobody can remove a country from the map. This is a
>> misunderstanding in Europe of what our president mentioned,"
>> Manouchehr Mottaki told a news conference, speaking in English,
>> after addressing the European Parliament.
>>
>> "How is it possible to remove a country from the map?
>> He is talking about the regime. We do not recognize
>> legally this regime," he said"
>
> "In Iran, we don't have homosexuals, like in your country"
> (Ahmadinejad speaking at Columbia university)
>
> And of course, he doesn't believe in the holocaust either.
>
> And "Iranian Women in Iran enjoy the highest levels of freedom"
Yes.. You have got him on those..
Some months after I did.
B^)
But they are all opinions and views, not threats of military aggression.
And they show him to be a social conservative, not a Nazi.
The facts are, Israeli Government officials have directly threatened
to bomb Iran.. not the other way around.
try not to believe everything you are told.
We have ±DogßÇ and his ilk rabble rousing, they
really don't need help, they have the nutjob market
cornered:
Mr. 7%
"The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
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> In article <TW5Ek.2642$be....@nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com>,
Almost as funny as "Israeli democracy" where only half the population is
allowed to vote.
simple.lan...@gmail.com
> Almost as funny as "Israeli democracy" where only
> half the population is allowed to vote.
Who told you that lie? Muslim Arabs have the voting rights.
Israel is the only country in the region ranked "Free" by Freedom
House based on the level of civil and political rights; the "Israeli
Occupied Territories/Palestinian Authority" was ranked "Not
Free."[119] Similarly, Reporters Without Borders rated Israel 50th out
of 168 countries in terms of freedom of the press and highest among
Southwest Asian countries. source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel#Government_and_politics
Mr. 7%
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How many Arabs in the occupied West Bank territory got to vote again?
Oh thats right... NONE.
Get off the fucking land or give em a vote!
Mr. 7%
"±DoügßÇ" <noün...@now.com> wrote in message
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> "Paul P" <a...@b.com> wrote in message
> news:6kbth4F...@mid.individual.net...
>> simple.lan...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> What is currently and sadly unfolding in Lebanon and Iran is a
>>> replicate of the Hitler-Nazi phenomenon. Most European nations, as
>>> well as many other influential countries had falsely deceived
>>> themselves into believing that Hitler's aggressiveness and greed could
>>> be cajoled and appeased by some kind of subjection here and there.
>>> They did not take his territorial expansionist schemes seriously, and
>>> failed to contain his madness when they were still capable of doing
>>> so. They initially did not unite to encounter his many invasions to
>>> neighboring countries, and when they decided to do so and move from
>>> the defensive to the offensive strategy, it was too late.
>>
>> Iran hasn't invaded another country in 2000 years.
>>
>> Unlike a few other countries I can think of...
>>
>> Paul P
>
> Yeah, who cares if their leaders rant and rave about annihilating
> Israel.
Actually they said they wanted Israel to be wiped off the map... much like
how Israel wiped Palestine off the map in 1948...
> Who cares if Iran is a brutal islamonazi theocracy that oppresses
> /persecutes people of other faiths and still enforces blasphemy,
> apostasy and heresy laws in the 21st century (but only for pislam).
It's one of the most democratic countries in the middle east, the Yanks are
still crying a few embassy staff had to stay at the Holiday Inn for a few
days and BP was told to fuck off in the 1979 revolution.
It's amazing that the Yanks forget that they held the Iranian people hostage
for almost 20 YEARS under a brutal dictator after they overthrew their
democracy. Maybe an apology is in order?
Tex
"Mr. 7%" <nor...@noreply.com> wrote in message
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>
> "±DoügßÇ" <noün...@now.com> wrote in message
> news:275Ek.1674$Rx....@flpi144.ffdc.sbc.com...
>> "Paul P" <a...@b.com> wrote in message
>> news:6kbth4F...@mid.individual.net...
>>> simple.lan...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>> What is currently and sadly unfolding in Lebanon and Iran is a
>>>> replicate of the Hitler-Nazi phenomenon. Most European nations, as
>>>> well as many other influential countries had falsely deceived
>>>> themselves into believing that Hitler's aggressiveness and greed could
>>>> be cajoled and appeased by some kind of subjection here and there.
>>>> They did not take his territorial expansionist schemes seriously, and
>>>> failed to contain his madness when they were still capable of doing
>>>> so. They initially did not unite to encounter his many invasions to
>>>> neighboring countries, and when they decided to do so and move from
>>>> the defensive to the offensive strategy, it was too late.
>>>
>>> Iran hasn't invaded another country in 2000 years.
>>>
>>> Unlike a few other countries I can think of...
>>>
>>> Paul P
>>
>> Yeah, who cares if their leaders rant and rave about annihilating
>> Israel.
>
> Actually they said they wanted Israel to be wiped off the map... much like
> how Israel wiped Palestine off the map in 1948...
Given that most of "palestine" is in Jordan, you are talking shit.
Ariadne
wrote:
[...]
>
> Israel is has been totally railroaded on the situation and is being
> used as a "whipping boy" for Nixon/Reagan/Bush foreign policy.
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
The final paragraphs of a well-reasoned
article:
The Middle East bears strong comparison to Europe in the years before
World War I. If Iran acquires nuclear weapons, its capacity will jump
to deploy surrogates such as Hezbollah, Hamas, the Mahdi Army and
whatever Shi'ite militias it has in place in Saudi Arabia and
Pakistan. We are not in 1914, but in 1905, when the First Morocco
Crisis of 1905 gave Germany a pretext it did not seize to make short
work of France while the Russians were busy with an insurrection.
Germany's chief of staff, Count Alfred von Schlieffen, tried in vain
to persuade the temporizing Kaiser Wilhelm II to attack France when
Germany had the upper hand. Had it done so, Europe would have had a
six-week war on the scale of 1870 rather than four years of unrelieved
slaughter and the disintegration of its civilization. The kaiser
waited until the outcome of war could only be the ruin of the
contending parties. Pre-emption would have been the humanitarian
solution.
Israel is the only player in the region with the perspicacity and
power to stop the slide towards regional war. The Jewish state may not
have the capacity to eradicate Iran's nuclear development program, but
it almost certainly has the means to set it back for a number of
years. The forthcoming resignation of feckless Israeli Prime Minister
Ehud Olmert opens all options for good and ill. If Israel can find a
von Schlieffen, it still might be able to interrupt the slide towards
political Islam in the region. If Israel fails to act, the near-
certain outcome will be regional war on a scale dwarfing the Iran-Iraq
war of the 1980s.
As in 1967, the Jewish state will be on its own, with reluctant
support, if any at all, from its American ally. Forty years ago,
Israel had military leaders willing to act with decisiveness. It is
far from clear whether it has the same will today.
±DoügßÇ
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>
>> Almost as funny as "Israeli democracy" where only
>> half the population is allowed to vote.
>
> Who told you that lie? Muslim Arabs have the voting rights.
>
Which is a mistake. THe muslime pigs should all be deported
to Mecca/Median -- where they can hump all the camels, sheep
and little girls they want.
Paul P
> If Israel can find a
> von Schlieffen, it still might be able to interrupt the slide towards
> political Islam in the region. If Israel fails to act, the near-
> certain outcome will be regional war on a scale dwarfing the Iran-Iraq
> war of the 1980s.
So you're saying Israel should attack Iran. That would do
wonders for peace in the region.
Paul P
Topaz
I myself was brought up in a small village in the southwest of
Germany. In 1939, when the war broke out, we left for the less exposed
Odenwald area until the possible danger of a French invasion had
passed. Shortly after that my father was transferred to the Ruhr
region. He as requested work as a foreman for the Mauser arms factory.
The government, true to their claims to be national and socialist,
took their promises seriously and provided young people starting a
family, as well as those who already had children, with affordable
housing. The first child brought a reduction of the mortgage by 25
percent, and when the fourth child arrived the mortgage was no more.
My parents already had four children then and thus were eligible for a
free newly built house from the government.
This was but one of the many programs the government established in
order to improve the quality of life for its citizens..
Then there was the "Kinderlandverschickung" program. It was started
before the war and enabled mothers in need of recreation to spend some
time in rural settings together with their children..
Another very popular social program of the government was "Kraft
durch Freude" (strength through joy). Here deserving workers could
take all-inclusive tours on luxury liners that were built especially
for this purpose. On these ships there was only one class and
everybody was treated the same. They visited the Azores and
Spitsbergen among other places. Those ships were not allowed to dock
in and English port however. The reason was that the British
government did not want it's citizens to see what it also could have
done for them..
The most misinterpreted program in Germany was the so-called
"Lebensborn". It was the exact opposite of what people are made to
believe it was, or should I say, of what people like to believe.. The
Lebensborn was the institution to help unwed mothers who did not know
where to turn for help. They were taken care of during their
pregnancies and afterward as well. This was the Lebensborn, and any
other interpretation is plain hogwash..
My father was able to buy not one but three guns plus two pistols,
together with plenty of ammunition. All it took him was proof that he
was indeed a German citizen without a criminal record. Then in 1945,
when the French "liberated" us, they disarmed him. I know that he was
not the only one to have guns at home, because I saw the many, many
arms that were handed over to the French, and this was in a very small
village..
Then, after the war was over, we had our first experience with a real
democracy. The French introduced it and gave us some shining examples;
one was that the lived off the country and stole everything which
wasn't nailed down..
It was not until many years later that I learned that Hitler held at
least five plebiscites during the first half of his rule. In
democratic Germany, from 1945 until today there has never been a
plebiscite.
There were foreign workers employed in Germany during WWII. I knew
one of them. He worked on a farm and was treated exactly like the son
who was in the army. After the war he stayed on and married the
daughter of the house. He was a prisoner of war from Poland and I
never saw him guarded by any policeman. This is how foreigners were
treated in Germany. They earned the same wages as the Germans, they
took part in the social insurance program, had paid-for holidays
including free train fares, and many came back with friends who also
wanted to work for these "horrible" Germans. Today they are called
slave laborer.
Not everyone was entitled to go on to a university. Only good marks
and above-average performance in schools qualified. But good
performers were promoted with all means available. Today we are much
more democratic; everyone is entitled to a university education and if
the parents are wealthy enough, the son or daughter can study until
they are 35..
Germany was also the country to introduce, in 1933, the first-ever
comprehensive animal protection law. Farm animals had to be kept in
strictly natural environments and no animal factories were allowed. Of
course, no testing of products on animals was permitted, and no kosher
slaughter.
If new industrial facilities were built they had to conform to the
highest standards with adequate lighting and air inside, canteens
where the workers were served nutritious meals at affordable prices,
and beautiful lawns outside: all for the benefit of the workers.. In
national socialist Germany, no child labor was allowed as it still was
in other European countries.
And finally, although I could still go on for a while, I would like to
mention that on express orders from Hitler himself, it was strictly
forbidden to use corporal punishment in the army. He was of the
opinion that in was incompatible with the honor of a German to be
punished by such degrading means.
That was the Germany I grew up in, and I am glad that I did.
http://www.ihr.org/ http://www.natvan.com
William Black
"Topaz" <mars...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:0q07e49v2g2pt3mc7...@4ax.com...
> By Walter Ruthard
> The government, true to their claims to be national and socialist,
> took their promises seriously and provided young people starting a
> family, as well as those who already had children, with affordable
> housing.
Except Jews.
And Trade Unionists.
And Communists
And Homosexuals
And Gypsys
And anyone who dared speak out...
> This was but one of the many programs the government established in
> order to improve the quality of life for its citizens..
Except Jews.
And Trade Unionists.
And Communists
And Homosexuals
And Gypsys
And anyone who dared speak out...
> Then there was the "Kinderlandverschickung" program. It was started
> before the war and enabled mothers in need of recreation to spend some
> time in rural settings together with their children..
Except Jews.
And Trade Unionists.
And Communists
And Homosexuals
And Gypsys
And anyone who dared speak out...
> Another very popular social program of the government was "Kraft
> durch Freude" (strength through joy). Here deserving workers could
> take all-inclusive tours on luxury liners that were built especially
> for this purpose.
Except Jews.
And Trade Unionists.
And Communists
And Homosexuals
And Gypsys
And anyone who dared speak out...
> On these ships there was only one class and
> everybody was treated the same.
Except Jews.
And Trade Unionists.
And Communists
And Homosexuals
And Gypsys
And anyone who dared speak out...
> The
> Lebensborn was the institution to help unwed mothers who did not know
> where to turn for help. They were taken care of during their
> pregnancies and afterward as well.
Except Jews.
And Trade Unionists.
And Communists
And Homosexuals
And Gypsys
And anyone who dared speak out...
> Not everyone was entitled to go on to a university. Only good marks
> and above-average performance in schools qualified.
Except Jews.
And Trade Unionists.
And Communists
And Homosexuals
And Gypsys
And anyone who dared speak out...
--
William Black
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
�Do�g��
There is no PEACE in the mid-east, not for infidels, not even
for muslims themselves. It's endless islamopig warfare: shite
against sunni and all of 'em against infidels.
Topaz
<willia...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
>Except Jews.
Jews are an enemy race. The Germans removed the Jews from ruling over
them. That is what America needs to do.
>
>And Trade Unionists.
They were run by Communists. They were replaced by something better
for the people.
>
>And Communists
subhumans
>
>And Homosexuals
perverts
>
>And Gypsys
theives
>
>And anyone who dared speak out...
National Socialist Germany was not different from other countries
in regard to free speech laws. The only difference was the right was
in power instead of the left. Before Hitler was in power he had a lot
of his papers banned. Hitler said:
"You talk about persecution!" (to an address by the Social Democratic
speaker) "I think that there are only a few of us [in our party] here
who did not have to suffer persecutions in prison from your side ...
You seem to have totally forgotten that for years our shirts were
ripped off our backs because you did not like the color . . . In those
days, our newspapers were banned and banned and again banned, our
meetings were forbidden, and we were forbidden to speak, I was
forbidden to speak, for years on. And now you say that criticism is
salutary!"
Even today most countries do not have free speech. In leftist
Germany today people get arrested for doubting the holo story and
other things. People in Britain get arrested for politically incorrect
speech or writing. Saying that the races are not all equal in
intelligence is against the law there.
The United States has the most free speech but even here it has
banned things. At one time the play "Merchant of Venice" was banned in
New York because it offended the Jews. People in America were arrested
for their beliefs during WWII. All countries did that.
But the United States does have the most free speech and this was a
great idea. Hitler also had a great idea of removing the Jews from
controlling the media. If we could combine these two ideas we could
have a winning combination. Allowing free speech is not the same as
allowing one unelected group to virtually control all of the media.
The media is the real power, and a minor post such as President of the
United States is like nothing by comparison. Why are we voting for
President and not voting for who will control the media? When it comes
to owning TV stations it is only money that talks, not morality or
virtue.
In the Jews country, which Americans are giving billions of
dollars to, they don't allow non-Jews to own certain media.
National Socialism was mainly about things like making Germany for
the Germans, and rejecting both Communism and Capitalism. But Free
Speech is also a great idea. National Socialists today should make it
clear that Free Speech is sacred and that no party should be allowed
to change that.
William Black
> On Wed, 1 Oct 2008 15:41:52 +0100, "William Black"
> <willia...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>
>>Except Jews.
>
> Jews are an enemy race. The Germans removed the Jews from ruling over
> them. That is what America needs to do.
No further comment necessary.
Al Smith
There are several problems that need to be addressed in America. How
they can be addressed in a fair and non-punitive manner, I don't
know. It is a difficult situation.
What I do know is that pretending these issues don't exist is
foolish, and dangerous.
1. Those with dual US-Israeli citizenship holding high positions of
power and influence in the federal government.
It is self-evident that someone with dual citizenship has divided
loyalties. No one with dual citizenship should ever be allowed to
make decisions that affect the fate of America.
2. A small ethnic minority, with its own social and political
agenda, dominating and controlling all forms of public media.
Again, it is obvious that this is an unhealthy situation, since to
control the media is to control the propaganda, and hence, the
thoughts and beliefs of the people.
3. Control of the banks and money markets by a small ethnic minority
with its own social and political agenda.
If it could be demonstrated that this group is working for the
greater good of all peoples, this might not be an issue, but can
such an altruistic purpose be demonstrated?
-Al-
Topaz
Liberating America From Israel
by Paul Findley
Nine-eleven would not have occurred if the U.S. government had refused
to help Israel humiliate and destroy Palestinian society. Few express
this conclusion publicly, but many believe it is the truth. I believe
the catastrophe could have been prevented if any U.S. president during
the past 35 years had had the courage and wisdom to suspend all U.S.
aid until Israel withdrew from the Arab land seized in the 1967
Arab-Israeli war.
The U.S. lobby for Israel is powerful and intimidating, but any
determined president-even President Bush this very day-could prevail
and win overwhelming public support for the suspension of aid by
laying these facts before the American people:
Israel's present government, like its predecessors, is determined to
annex the West Bank-biblical Judea and Samaria - so Israel will become
Greater Israel. Ultra-Orthodox Jews, who maintain a powerful role in
Israeli politics, believe the Jewish Messiah will not come until
Greater Israel is a reality. Although a minority in Israel, they are
committed, aggressive, and influential. Because of deep religious
conviction, they are determined to
prevent Palestinians from gaining statehood on any part of the West
Bank.
In its violent assaults on Palestinians, Israel uses the pretext of
eradicating terrorism, but its forces are actually engaged advancing
the territorial expansion just cited. Under the guise of
anti-terrorism, Israeli forces treat Palestinians worse than cattle.
With due process nowhere to be found, hundreds are detained for long
periods and most are tortured. Some are assassinated. Homes, orchards,
and business places are destroyed. Entire cities are kept under
intermittent curfew, some confinements lasting for
weeks. Injured or ill Palestinians needing emergency medical care are
routinely held at checkpoints for an hour or more. Many children are
undernourished. The West Bank and Gaza have become giant concentration
camps. None of this could have occurred without U.S. support. Perhaps
Israeli officials believe life will become so unbearable that most
Palestinians will eventually leave their ancestral homes.
Once beloved worldwide, the U.S. government finds itself reviled in
most countries because it provides unconditional support of Israeli
violations of the United Nations Charter, international law, and the
precepts of all major religious faiths.
How did the American people get into this fix?
Nine-eleven had its principal origin 35 years ago when Israel's U.S.
lobby began its unbroken success in stifling debate about the proper
U.S. role in the Arab-Israeli conflict and effectively concealed from
public awareness the fact that the U.S. government gives massive
uncritical support to Israel.
Thanks to the suffocating influence of Israel's U.S. lobby, open
discussion of the Arab-Israeli conflict has been non-existent in our
government all these years. I have firsthand knowledge, because I was
a member of the House of Representatives Foreign Affairs Committee in
June 1967 when Israeli military forces took control of the Golan
Heights, a part of Syria, as well as the Palestinian West Bank and
Gaza. I continued as a member for 16 years and to this day maintain a
close watch on Congress.
For 35 years, not a word has been expressed in that committee or in
either chamber of Congress that deserves to be called debate on Middle
East policy. No restrictive or limiting amendments on aid to Israel
have been offered for 20 years, and none of the few offered in
previous years received more than a handful of votes. On Capitol Hill,
criticism of Israel, even in private conversation, is all but
forbidden, treated as downright unpatriotic, if not anti-Semitic. The
continued absence of free speech was assured when those few who spoke
out-Senators Adlai Stevenson and Charles Percy, and Reps. Paul
"Pete" McCloskey, Cynthia McKinney, Earl Hilliard, and myself-were
defeated at the polls by candidates heavily financed by pro-Israel
forces.
As a result, legislation dealing with the Middle East has been heavily
biased in favor of Israel and against Palestinians and other Arabs
year after year. Home constituencies, misled by news coverage equally
lop-sided in Israel's favor, remain largely unaware that Congress
behaves as if it were a subcommittee of the Israeli parliament.
However, the bias is widely noted beyond America, where most news
media candidly cover Israel's conquest and generally excoriate
America's complicity and complacency. When President Bush welcomed
Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, sometimes called the Butcher of
Beirut, as "my dear friend" and "a man of peace" after Israeli forces,
using U.S.-donated arms, completed their devastation of the West Bank
last spring, worldwide anger against American policy reached the
boiling point.
The fury should surprise no one who reads foreign newspapers or
listens to BBC. In several televised statements long before 9/11,
Osama bin Laden, believed by U.S. authorities to have masterminded
9/11, cited U.S. complicity in Israel's destruction of Palestinian
society as a principal complaint. Prominent foreigners, in and out of
government, express their opposition to U.S. policies with
unprecedented frequency and severity, especially since Bush announced
his determination to make war against Iraq.
The lobby's intimidation remains pervasive. It seems to reach every
government center and even houses of worship and revered institutions
of higher learning. It is highly effective in silencing the many U.S.
Jews who object to the lobby's tactics and Israel's brutality...
Today, a year after 9/11, President Bush has made no attempt to
redress grievances, or even to identify them. In fact, he has made the
scene far worse by supporting Israel's religious war against
Palestinians, an alliance that has intensified anti-American anger. He
seems oblivious to the fact that nearly two billion people worldwide
regard the plight of Palestinians as today's most important
foreign-policy challenge. No one in authority will admit a calamitous
reality that is skillfully shielded from the American people but
clearly recognized by most of the world: America suffered 9/11 and its
aftermath and may soon be at war with Iraq, mainly because U.S. policy
in the Middle East is made in Israel, not in Washington.
Israel is a scofflaw nation and should be treated as such. Instead of
helping Sharon intensify Palestinian misery, our president should
suspend all aid until Israel ends its occupation of Arab land Israel
seized in 1967. The suspension would force Sharon's compliance or lead
to his removal from office, as the Israeli electorate will not
tolerate a prime minister who is at odds with the White House.
If Bush needs an additional reason for doing the right thing, he can
justify the suspension as a matter of military necessity, an essential
step in winning international support for his war on terrorism. He can
cite a worthy precedent. When President Abraham Lincoln issued the
proclamation that freed only the slaves in states that were then in
rebellion, he make the restriction because of "military necessity."
If Bush suspends U.S. aid, he will liberate all Americans from long
years of bondage to Israel's misdeeds.
Mr. Paul Findley, who served as a Republican congressman from Illinois
for 22 years, is the author of 'They Dare to Speak Out' and a member
of the American Educational Trust's Foreign Relations Committee.
Also See: http://www.stop-us-military-aid-to-israel.net/
Citizens for Fair Legislation ALERT: NO NEW AID TO ISRAEL
http://sf.indymedia.org/news/2003/01/1556560.php
Congressman Paul Findley: Liberating America From Israel
http://www.mediamonitors.net/findley2.html
Pat Buchanan: Why Politicians Prefer Israel over American
Interest?
http://amconmag.com/01_13_03/buchanan7.html
Israeli Minister - 'We've Become Barbarians'
http://rense.com/general33/become.htm
Wales Politician Compares Apartheid Israel to Nazi Germany
http://icwales.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0200wales/page.cfm?objectid=12498073
&method=full&siteid=50082
Israel's image of liberal democracy takes a battering
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2003/01/04/wisr04.xml&s
Sheet=/news/2003/01/04/ixworld.html
Israel Bans Christian Politician and Party from Election
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1845530.stm
Israel to Expel Christian Politician and non-Jewish Parties from
Knesset
http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,866348,00.html
Row over Arabs' election ban
http://www.dailytelegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2003/01/01/wisr01.
xml&sSheet=/news/2003/01/01/ixnewstop.html
How Americas Zionist controlled media spin the facts.
http://jerusalem.indymedia.org/news/2002/12/98414_comment.php
American Media Controlled by Israeli Supporters
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=Eric+Alterman+MSNBC+Israel&hl=en&lr=&ie=UT
F-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=3caaa1d0_1%40news.tm.net.my&rnum=1
The Myth of Barak's Generous Offer
http://fair.org/extra/0207/generous.html
Direct Financial Cost of Israel to US: $1.6 trillion and
growing
http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/1209/p16s01-wmgn.html
MAKING MERCHANDISE OUT OF THE PEOPLE OF GOD: SELLING THE UPCOMING
WAR IN
IRAQ http://www.endtimesnetwork.com/m2_s1.html
Zionism Unbound - Vidal Gored 16 Years Ago
http://www.rense.com/general32/unbound.htm
'It's Time To Get Tough With Israel' - Patriotic US Army Brig
General
http://www.rense.com/general33/tough.htm
Israel's Policy Of 'Covert Aggression'
http://www.rense.com/general31/ze.htm
ISRAEL'S SACRED TERRORISM
http://abbc.com/historia/zionism/rokach.html
The Men From JINSA and CSP
http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20020902&c=1&s=vest
JINSA Behind Drive To Cover-Up Israeli Spy Scandal
http://rense.com/general18/JINSA.HTM
Christian Coalition Abandonment of Palestinian Christians is
Hypocritical http://www.mediamonitors.net/sherri64.html
Where does world-famous televangelist's money go?
http://www.msnbc.com/news/845747.asp#BODY
Christian Patriarch of Holy Land calls for end of Oppressive
Israeli
occupation http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2604761.stm
Zionism versus the Bible - Peace and Jutice on Earth or the
Extremism of
the 'Christian' Right? http://www.mediamonitors.net/williamson4.html
THE UNHOLY ALLIANCE - Christianity & The NWO
http://www.rense.com/general20/unholy.htm
No Joy in Bethlehem
http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/comment/0,10551,865083,00.html
'Saddest Christmas Ever' in Bethlehem
http://dailynews.att.net/cgi-bin/news?e=pri&dt=021225&cat=news&st=newsmideas
tdc
For Unbiased News, visit:
http://www.commondreams.org
http://www.rense.com/
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/
http://www.independent.co.uk/
http://www.thenation.com/
http://www.mediamonitors.net/
http://www.antiwar.com/
http://www.fair.org/
http://www.counterpunch.com/
http://www.indymedia.org/
http://www.progressive.org/
http://www.yellowtimes.org/
http://www.latimes.com/
For Good Analysis and Commentary, visit:
http://www.zmag.org/chomsky/
http://www.robert-fisk.com/
http://www.iacenter.org/
http://www.tikkun.org/magazine/index.cfm
http://www.antiwar.com/hacohen/h-col.html
http://www.nader.org/public_interest.html
http://reese.king-online.com/
http://fair.org/media-beat/
http://avnery-news.co.il/english/
Please distribute....
Governor Swill
>No further comment necessary.
Topaz has been in my filters for longer than almost anybody else. I
have no use for bigots or for scapegoating.
Swill
--
Liberal: I like the puppet on the left.
Conservative: I like the puppet on the right.
Independent: Hey! There's one guy holding both puppets!
Centrist: I hope he knows which puppet's on which hand.
Picture of the day: http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/
Topaz
Exposing the Real Racists
Edgar Johnston, PhD. reviews an important new book
Jewish Supremacism by David Duke. Published by Free Speech Press, 2003
More than 500,000 copies of 'Jewish Supremacism' have been sold
worldwide. It is even sold within the Russian Duma (parliament).
Jewish leaders are extremely fearful of this book. I can illustrate
the cause of their concern by giving an example of David Duke's
technique in exposing what he calls Jewish supremacism.
If any prominent political person in the Western World publicly
announced that Jews are frequently disloyal to nations where they live
and that they view Gentiles as racially inferior, he would face
excoriation as an 'anti-Semite'. Probably, he would be driven from
office. Duke has no need to make such claims, for he simply quotes
very prominent and powerful Jews who make his point for him.
FROM THE HORSE'S MOUTH
In the first few pages of Jewish Supremacism, Duke quotes Dr.
Steinlight, a former head of National Affairs for the largest Jewish
organisation in the United States. Here is the quotation taken from a
2001 magazine article written by Dr. Steinlight:-
'I'll confess it at least, like thousands of other typical kids of my
generation I was reared as a Jewish nationalist, even a
quasi-separatist. Every summer for two months of ten formative
years... I attended Jewish summer camp. There, each morning, I saluted
a foreign flag, dressed in a uniform reflecting its colours, sang a
foreign national anthem, learned a foreign language... and was taught
the superiority of my people to the 'Gentiles' who oppressed us.
'We were taught to view non-Jews as... people less sensitive,
intelligent and moral than ourselves.'
This method of quoting major Jewish figures and sources is used
hundreds of times in Duke's book to advance his thesis that there is a
powerful Jewish supremacist element in Judaism and Zionism that
threatens not only the freedom of the Palestinian people but all
nations, including the United States.
Duke also uses direct quotes from the Talmud and other major Jewish
sources, such as the Jewish Encyclopedia to expose a long-standing
cadre of hateful, anti-Gentile Jewish supremacists. Shocking quotes
are displayed from major Jewish magazines that boast of a Jewish
supremacy over the media and politics of the United States. He finds
disturbing and hateful words from Jewish leaders, such as Ariel
Sharon, which openly support genocide, and he reveals quotations from
Israeli leaders who equate Zionism and Nazism. Of course, he also
cites many prominent Gentiles of historical and contemporary times,
but the Jewish quotations and sources have the greatest power.
Frankly, they are so convincing that Jewish leaders have sought to get
the book banned in many nations.
Interestingly, Jewish Supremacism was published first in Russia, the
same nation that gave birth to The Protocols of Zion. In 2000 it
quickly became a best seller throughout the entirety of the former
Eastern bloc. It even sells briskly in the corridors of the Russian
Duma (Parliament) and has prompted Levinsky, Goldman and other leading
Jews to seek its ban under old Soviet laws forbidding 'anti-Semitism'.
In the Autumn of 2000, Levinsky and others filed a formal complaint to
the Russian Prosecutor General and asked for the book to be classified
as anti-Semitic and thus illegal. After a year of close examination
(they painstakingly verified all 669 of the documentations), the
Russian Government shocked the Jewish community by officially
declaring that the book is not anti-Semitic. Jewish members of the
Duma then introduced new legislation aimed at outlawing 'Jewish
Supremacism', but it failed by a few votes.
Since then, the book has been sold in thousands of street corners
across the breadth of the Russian Federation and has now topped an
incredible 500,000 in print.
Translated into most of the Eastern European languages, the book has
won Duke many academic awards for its scholarship, including an
honorary Doctorate awarded by President's University, the second
largest university in the nation of Ukraine.
Subsequently the university itself published a best-selling Ukrainian
edition. In May of 2003, Free Speech Press published the English
version of Jewish Supremacism, accompanied by a storm of interest and
controversy. Jewish leaders are horrified that it is well on its way
to becoming the best-read book in the world on Zionism.
SMEARS BACKFIRED
Although Zionist organisations have tried to use Duke's media
characterisation as a 'white supremacist' to discredit his book, so
far their exploitation of his early-life involvement in a KKK group
has only backfired by making the book and its author more newsworthy.
Attacks by the ADL and other pro-Zionist groups have led to
sensationalist news coverage, causing even greater interest and
confounding those who desperately wanted Duke's book to die a quiet
death.
David Duke decries the label of white supremacist and says that while
he certainly desires the preservation of his own heritage he seeks no
supremacy over others. He maintains that those who scream most
hatefully against him are themselves guilty of the most extreme and
powerful supremacism on earth: Jewish supremacism.
When Duke lectured in some Persian Gulf nations last year, Zionist
leaders attempted to undercut his support by allegations of 'racism'.
Those organised efforts had little affect on the overflow, mixed-race
audiences that cheered almost his every word. As a former university
professor and a writer who has lectured occasionally on behalf of the
people of Palestine, I approached David Duke's book out of a curiosity
elicited by the intense Zionist efforts to suppress it. Actually, I
had readily accepted the negative portrayals of him I had read in the
Jewish press, but I wanted to see what all the commotion was about.
Why were they so anxious to ban this book and slander its author? To
my great surprise I discovered a most amazing book!
David Duke stated that he had set out with the ambitious goal of
writing the most powerful expose of Zionism ever put into print. With
extreme scepticism of his ability to accomplish such a lofty goal, I
began to read. Three days later, as I turned the last page, I knew
that he had accomplished more than he dreamed. Rather than just
assembling his facts in a dry textbook fashion, David Duke presents
his thesis in the first person. It is the personal narrative of a
thoughtful and enlightened young man who is sympathetic to Zionism,
but is awakened to its supremacist core that not only threatens the
Palestinians but his own beloved European-Americans as well. I could
not find even a trace of hatred, intemperance or true anti-Semitism in
this book. However, by extensive quoting of important Jewish leaders
and Zionist source materials, Duke exposes a deep well of Jewish
supremacist hatred against Gentiles. He points out that one is
unfairly labelled an 'anti-Semite' simply for exposing the hateful
pronouncements of Jewish supremacists.
ABSOLVES SOME JEWS
The book is clearly not anti-Semitic. Duke goes at length to point out
that not all Jews are supremacists, and that the supremacists not only
endanger the Gentile world but threaten innocent Jews by exposing them
to an inevitably hostile Gentile reaction. The book is in fact
dedicated to the late Dr. Israel Shahak, a Holocaust survivor and
Israeli peace activist whose life was dedicated to saving both Jews
and Gentiles from the dangers of 'Jewish supremacism'. David Duke
cleverly turns the term 'anti-Semitic' on its head by quoting
columnist Joseph Sobran's remark that the 'anti-Semite' is no longer
someone who dislikes Jews; he is now simply a person whom the Jews
don't like.
Jewish Supremacism begins with David Duke's first great epiphany on
the Jewish question: his learning that the Russian Revolution wasn't
Russian but overwhelmingly Jewish. Using powerful documentary
evidence, he shows that the Bolshevik Revolution was actually financed
and led by Jews who had their own agenda against the Czar. He quotes
from familiar and impeccable sources such as Winston Churchill, the
dispatches of the American ambassador to Russia, the chief of British
Intelligence and copious Jewish sources. For instance, he quotes a
report from the National Archives of the United States showing that of
the 384 members of the first Bolshevik government, there were more
than 300 Jews and only 13 ethnic Russians.
How could such an enormous fact of history be hidden? Duke asks. His
rhetorical question is answered throughout the rest of this book by
giving the clear evidence of the tremendous power exercised by Jewish
supremacists in government, media and the academic establishment. Not
only has the pre-eminent Jewish role in the Bolshevik Revolution and
its Gulags been quietly suppressed, but also even the very existence
of Jewish supremacism has been kept from public awareness. One can
freely discuss the evils of white supremacism, but if one dares to
expose Jewish supremacism, one will assuredly be labelled an
'anti-Semite', the ultimate term of opprobrium in modern society. In
very effective arguments, Duke points out that one is not called
'anti-Christian' for exposing the excesses of the Inquisition or
'anti-Muslim' for opposing the intolerance of some extremist Moslem
sects. But dare simply to quote the hateful statements of important
leaders of Judaism and Zionism, and in many countries one could well
wind up in prison for 'hate speech'.
One of the fascinating themes to which David Duke repeatedly turns is
the easily documented Jewish supremacist strategy of fostering extreme
chauvinism among their own people while at the same time working to
break down the group loyalty of the Gentiles among whom they live.
Jewish leaders have long made clear that Jewish communities often have
agendas that conflict with their Gentile hosts. Duke describes the
struggle over those agendas as similar to the contest of two football
teams. One team cultivates an extreme group loyalty through a chronic
recital of Gentile persecution and an accompanying 'chosen-people'
supremacist vision. The other is instilled with guilt and the idea
that teamwork is immoral. The main Jewish holidays are dominated by
the recounting of Gentile persecutions, and the Holocaust has now
achieved almost a religious significance in Jewish life. Duke quotes
many Jewish leaders proclaiming Jewish superiority and the need for
the race to preserve its racial genotype. Even today, Israel will
grant instant citizenship to an atheist Jew from New York, but forbids
Palestinians who were born in Israel to return. Israel also forbids
marriages between Jews and Gentiles.
While Jewish supremacists have these supremacist policies for their
own people, they relentlessly work to break down the immigration laws
of other nations. While they preach multi-culturalism and diversity
for almost every other country in which they dwell, they themselves
support and expect Americans to support a Zionist State, dedicated
exclusively to the Jewish people, religion and culture.
INFLUENCE ON MEDIA AND GOVERNMENT
In chapters on Jewish influence over the American mass media and
government, Duke offers extensive documentation that exceeds almost
anyone's suspicions. Major Jewish sources are quoted which boast of
their takeover and control of Hollywood, the news media and the most
sensitive part of the Government of the United States. For instance,
Duke quotes a major Israeli newspaper bragging about the fact that
Jews loyal to Israel make up seven out of the eleven members of the
secretive and sensitive National Security Council (NSC). The article
goes on to assert that "America no longer has a government of Goyim"
(Gentiles). Duke also quotes many US presidents and high government
officials who have dared to speak out about the Jewish supremacy over
the establishment. After thoroughly documenting Jewish supremacy in
government and media, he shows how their media power is used to stifle
public knowledge and understanding of this critical issue. Any
legitimate criticism of Jewish Supremacism is labelled
'anti-Semitism', and the Jewish supremacists almost exclusively define
that term.
In particularly interesting passages, Duke recounts how that when he
looked up the term 'anti-Semitism' in some popular encyclopaedias, he
found that the articles and recommended reading lists were authored
entirely by Jewish zealots! In every conflict with Gentiles, Jews are
always portrayed as completely innocent while Gentiles are portrayed
as totally evil. Duke suggests that the chronic portrayal of Gentiles
as inherently evil toward Jews is for Gentiles the equivalent of
'blood libel' for Jews.
Duke makes a compelling case that the nation of Israel is the doctrine
of Jewish supremacism put into action. In startling documentary
evidence from Israel, he shows that some of the early Zionist founders
of the country readily co-operated with Nazi Germany, praised Nazi
policies and claimed that their own ideology was similar. He also
quotes major Jewish figures in Israel who have had the courage to
condemn Israel's Nuremberg style racial laws, such as former Israeli
Supreme Court member Haim Cohen, thus:-
'The bitter irony of fate, which has led the same biological and
racist laws propagated by the Nazis and which inspired the infamous
Nuremberg laws to serve as a basis of Judaism within the state of
Israel.'
With these kinds of powerful quotes, it is no wonder that Zionists
around the world are extremely fearful of this book.
ON ISRAELI TERROR
Americans will find the last chapter on Israel of particular interest.
Duke unveils the long Israeli record of terrorism. He documents the
horrendous terror waged against the Palestinians; he also exposes
Israel's long record of terrorism and treachery against its greatest
benefactor, the United States! From major Jewish sources, he recounts
the Israeli terrorist attacks against America in the Lavon Affair, in
which Israeli agents set off bombs in American installations in Egypt
in a treacherous attempt to provoke America into war against that
nation. Duke presents copious evidence exposing the deliberate,
murderous Israeli attack on the USS Liberty in which 34 Americans were
killed and 172 grievously wounded. The terrible damage inflicted on
the United States by Israeli spy Jonathan Pollard is also recounted.
Jewish supremacy in the American media and government has suppressed
any outcry against Israel's treachery. The Jewish supremacists have
even been able to prevent a formal Congressional investigation into
the attack on the USS Liberty. Duke makes the powerful point that
billions of dollars of American aid continue to flow to Israel even
after its treacherous attacks. He writes that supplying this aid is
the moral equivalent of sending military aid to Japan after the attack
on Pearl Harbour.
Duke also shows how the Zionist domination of American foreign policy
led directly to America's 9/11 catastrophe and a whole new series of
foreign policy moves that are leading to disaster. This timely book
shows the Jewish supremacist power behind the Iraq War, the
manipulation of the President and the American people with false
information, and the horrendous damage the war has done to our economy
and even our security. Duke shows how the war is costing us hundreds
of billions of dollars, continues to spill the blood of our military
men and certainly increases world hatred and terrorism against
America.
In one of the most shocking chapters of his work, Duke reveals the
damning evidence of Israeli treachery in the 9/11 attacks. He shows
that a massive Israeli spy ring was uncovered and apprehended in the
months before and after the attacks, and that some of the Mossad
agents had actually monitored the hijackers, including the leader
Mohammed Atta (five Israeli agents lived on his street). Warning
messages of the impending attacks were sent to Israeli firms with
offices both in Israel and the World Trade Centre. A group of Mossad
agents was arrested on 9/11 after they were found to have been filming
and cheering the attacks while they occurred. After they had been held
for a few months, Zionist Michael Chertoff of the US Department of
Justice released all the members of the Israeli spy ring and allowed
them to return to Israel - out of the reach of Congressional 9/11
investigators.
It is impossible to give the reader more than a glance into the depth
and power of this incredible book. Practically every paragraph is a
revelation. There is so much more that I could write about: detailing
how the Holocaust has cynically been used as a Zionist tool in
heightening Jewish solidarity and deflating criticism of Zionism and
Israel; how Jewish supremacists have used immigration as a weapon of
conquest, not only in Palestine but in the Western World as well. I
was fascinated by Duke's expose of Sigmund Freud as a secret Jewish
supremacist who thought of himself as a Hannibal destroying the
foundations of the Christian church and the European family as
Hannibal had sacked Rome. I could go on and on, but I will leave these
discoveries to you when you read this amazing book.
After I completed the book, I wanted to find out if it had the same
affect on others as it had on me. I gave it to two long-time friends
at the university where I taught for 11 years. One has conservative
leanings; the other is decidedly liberal; and I would describe both of
them as sympathetic to Israel. Both were so fascinated that they could
hardly put the book down, and one became so engrossed that he missed
his regular two o'clock class. They both agreed that Duke's book is
one of the best-argued that they have ever read, and used the
identical term of 'amazing' to describe it. My conservative friend
commented that many quotations were so shocking that he began to check
out the references and found them all to be accurate. "Hell" he said,
"If only half the documents Duke cites are authentic, there is enough
evidence here to start a revolution."
Stan Pierce
(snipped)
> Exposing the Real Racists
> Edgar Johnston, PhD. reviews an important new book
> Jewish Supremacism by David Duke. Published by Free Speech Press, 2003
>
Yes, but that part about their fighting and killing Palestinians I entirely
agree with. I see that as fighting for survival. You don't voluntarily
go into that dark night no matter who you are.
Jews should be able to understand that the white European is just as
desperate to survive as themselves...well, quite a lot of us.
That instinct to survive is universal. It comes down to WHO is most
valuable for the survival of the species, Arabs or Whitemen. Maybe the
Chinese will decide who lives and who gets liquidated for the good of the
species.
Fred
As in all nature, diversity is a survival strength.
--
Peace,
Fred
(Remove FFFf from my email address to reply by email).
Stan Pierce
"Fred" <fr...@fredwilliamsFFFf.ca> wrote in message
news:gcboa0$hku$3...@registered.motzarella.org...
> Stan Pierce wrote:
>> Maybe the Chinese will decide who lives and who gets liquidated for the
>> good of the species.
>
> As in all nature, diversity is a survival strength.
> Peace,
> Fred
> (Remove FFFf from my email address to reply by email).
No it is not. Nature is the imperative to reproduce to excess, until a
predator, which in our case may well be a virus, or a more wilful tribe,
wipes out the excess.
What you see from the distance of time is the result of many excesses
having been reduced. This gives a picture of 'diversity'.
The reality is massive elimination until another run of excess sparks the
resistance to it.
The next round will be observed and recorded...that's the difference.
Michael Ejercito
> Exposing the Real Racists
> Edgar Johnston, PhD. reviews an important new book
> Jewish Supremacism by David Duke. Published by Free Speech Press, 2003
>
> More than 500,000 copies of 'Jewish Supremacism' have been sold
> worldwide. It is even sold within the Russian Duma (parliament).
>
Michael
Topaz
Tiptoeing around Our Problems
By Dr. William Pierce
"We've been talking about the very dangerous situation in the Middle
East recently, just because so much is happening there, and
undoubtedly we'll be talking about it much more in the future. For
that reason I want to make very clear what my motives and sympathies
are, lest I lead anyone astray and be thought a hypocrite for doing
so. First, regarding Palestine: although my sympathies definitely lie
with the Palestinians rather than with the Jews, it is not horror at
what the Jews are doing to the Palestinians that motivates me. What
motivates me is horror that my country is being used by the Jews in
their war against the Palestinians. If America were not involved at
all in the Middle East I still would sympathize with the Palestinians
and I would wish that they could be successful in driving the Jews
into the sea and annihilating the abomination that is Israel, but that
conflict between Jews and Palestinians would not be a major concern
for me. At least, my
concern there would be dwarfed by my concern for problems more
directly involving my own people in America and in Europe and in
southern Africa.
Even now, with money and weapons being supplied by America and used to
slaughter Palestinians, my concern is much less with monsters like
Ariel Sharon who are doing the slaughtering than it is with the filthy
creatures among my own people in America who are collaborating with
Jews here to keep the weapons and money flowing to Sharon -- and are
ready to do whatever else the Jews require of them here or abroad.
So when I tell you about Jews in occupied Palestine shooting
Palestinian children, and disapproval and anger are evident in my
voice, what I really am angry about is that the American people, my
people, are being used for this murderous activity. I am angry that
America's whole foreign policy has been perverted to serve Jewish
interests at the expense of American interests. I am angry that
America's political system has been perverted to ensure that we always
have so-called "leaders," whether Democrat or Republican, who are
dependent on the Jewish media or Jewish money or both for their
election and consequently will do the bidding of the Jews. I am angry
that our whole government is riddled with Jews -- Jews in our Defense
Department, Jews in our State
Department, Jews in our Immigration and Naturalization Service, Jews
in our Justice Department, Jews in the President's speech-writing
staff - who really set the policies of our government behind the
scenes, while the politicians are out front in the spotlight making
speeches and kissing babies - and doing as they're told by the Jews
behind the
scenes.
Did you know that it was a Jewish speechwriter, David Frum, who put
the phrase "axis of evil" in George Bush's mouth to justify America's
ongoing war against Israel's enemies? Did you know that a clique of
Jews in the Defense Department and among George Bush's foreign policy
advisers are the people actually running the so-called "war on terror"
in Afghanistan: a war that they intend to expand to Iraq and any other
Middle Eastern country that gets uppity, in order to make that part of
the world safe for Israel at American expense? Secretary of Defense
Donald Rumsfeld is a front man for his nominal subordinates, Deputy
Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz and Deputy Undersecretary of
Defense for Policy Douglas Feith; and George Bush's official foreign
policy adviser, Condoleezza Rice, helps him meet his Black quota for
the Cabinet, but it is the Jew Richard Perle, chairman of Bush's
Defense Policy Board, who gives him his foreign policy directives.
As I've said on more than one occasion, George Bush is a feckless
nincompoop who couldn't come up with a defense policy or a foreign
policy on his own if he had to -- which is why he's President. The
real policymakers behind the scenes certainly don't want a man in the
White House who has ideas of his own, because those ideas might
conflict with theirs.
And it is nothing but empty sophistry to make a distinction between
Jews in Israel, such as Ariel Sharon and Simon Peres, and the Jews in
Mr. Bush's administration formulating his policies or the Jews
controlling our mass media. They all are Jews, and that's what really
matters.
There are many knowledgeable Americans besides me who think that it's
not a good thing to have Jews using America to advance Israel's
interests at the expense of America's interests. They know how the
system works: how the Jews exert their control through money and media
and a well-entrenched network of Jewish operatives, such as Wolfowitz
and Feith and Perle. And many of these knowledgeable Americans also
understand how Jewish subterfuge and deceit work: they understand that
the Jews throw up a lot of smoke to conceal their control and make it
appear that they have much less influence than they actually do.
Despite this degree of understanding that many knowledgeable Americans
have, there seem to be very few who are willing or able to draw the
necessary conclusions. What I keep seeing are comments about the need
to get the so-called "peace process" going again in the Middle East,
and how there are hardline supporters of Israel who are obstructing
the "peace process" because they think that it will give too much to
the Palestinians or will compromise Israel's security, or whatever.
These knowledgeable Americans seem to believe that if we could just
get around the Jewish hardliners somehow -- if we could just
neutralize Jews such as Wolfowitz and Feith and Perle; if Ariel Sharon
could be replaced by a "moderate" Jewish prime minister -- then the
"peace process" could proceed, America could gradually reduce its
involvement in helping the Jews keep the Palestinians repressed, and
eventually Israel no longer would be using America, and everything
would be rosy. And so these knowledgeable Americans expend all of
their wit and energy in these trivial pursuits.
Listen! Do you know what the most hopeful aspect of the conflict
between Jews and Palestinians is now? It is the ongoing radicalization
of the Muslim masses throughout the whole Middle East. The
collaborator governments in Pakistan, in Egypt, in Saudi Arabia are
terrified of the reaction they see among their own people to what
Ariel Sharon is doing to the Palestinians. When Sharon's Jewish troops
shoot Palestinian children, Muslim mobs riot, and governments that now
collaborate with the United States quake. Ariel Sharon is the best
thing that has happened in the Middle East in the last 54 years.
The Palestinian tactic of suicide bombing is being denounced by every
politician and every media spokesman over here now. It's nothing but
terrorism, they all say. There's no justification at all for suicide
bombing, they tell us. Of course, whenever you hear that sort of
unanimity from the politicians and the media people you should be
suspicious. In fact, suicide bombing is the best tactic for the
Palestinians to use now, because it provokes the Jews to step up
reprisals. And the reprisals radicalize the masses in every country in
the Middle East. If just one of the collaborator governments falls,
the spines of all the rest will be stiffened, and the Bush government
will be far less likely to find collaborators for building its
so-called "coalition" to do the will of the Jews in the Middle East.
Suicide bombers now hardly put a dent in the population of five
million Jews in occupied Palestine, and Sharon's bloody reprisals
hardly put a dent in the overall Palestinian population. But if
conflict of this sort continues until just one collaborator government
is overthrown, that ultimately will be worth more than ten thousand
successful suicide
bombings in which only 20 or so Jews are killed each time. In the long
run there can be no real peace in the Middle East and no end to
America's shameful role there -- and no future for the Palestinian
people -- as long as there is an Israel. There seems to be a better
understanding of these things among knowledgeable Palestinians than
among knowledgeable Americans.
Shallow thinking and the pursuit of trivial goals is even worse among
knowledgeable Americans when it comes to domestic problems. They
really do not want to grasp these problems with both hands and deal
with them in a forthright way. Look, for example, at what uncontrolled
immigration has done and is doing to America. And what do
knowledgeable Americans propose to do about that? Very little, really.
They make much of the fact that several of the al-Qaeda hijackers who
carried out the September 11 attack were in the United States only
because of very lax immigration policies, and so that's a good reason
for tightening up the policies.
How about simply rounding up all illegal aliens immediately -- all 12
million of them -- and booting them and all of their offspring out of
the country without further ado?
Oh, no, no, no! We can't do that! Why not? Well, the media never would
stand for it. The media would be all over anyone who even proposed a
mass expulsion of illegal aliens. They would denounce any political
leader who tried to do that as a "racist" and a "neo-Nazi." And so
knowledgeable Americans, who understand the immigration disaster quite
well, continue tiptoeing around it, afraid to do or even say anything
really significant about it: terrified even to think about really
radical solutions that might actually end the problem. And it's the
same with the rest of our domestic problems. Lots of people understand
these problems and are worried about them, but they won't tackle them
in any
significant way. They let the Jews -- the Jewish media and Jewish
money and the entrenched Jewish network -- have their way, for all
practical purposes.
Why? Why are the Jews permitted to get away with all of their
destructive policies and activities without being challenged or
opposed in any significant way? Part of the reason is that the Jews
are very powerful, and therefore many people are afraid to cross them.
They're afraid of the sort of media reaction I just mentioned in
connection with immigration. Everyone understands that the Jews stick
together and will viciously attack anyone who opposes them. It's the
old story, so aptly expressed by the late-16th-century writer, Sir
John Harington. Harington wrote: "Treason doth never prosper: what's
the reason? For if it prosper, none dare call it treason." Today the
Jewish power structure is
prospering, and none dare oppose it or even call it what it is. Well,
that's only part of the reason Jews are permitted to get away with so
much. There's more to it than that. There's a mystique the Jews have
built very carefully around themselves and nurtured diligently. It is
a mystique of piety and injured innocence. It is a mystique that says
to the Gentile world: "We are a gentle and inoffensive race, and
because of this everyone hates us. We're smart and we work hard and
achieve success, and because of this everyone hates us. We are a
highly moral and ethical race, and because of this everyone hates us.
We are a very talented race, with many gifted members, many geniuses,
and because of this everyone hates us. We are a very altruistic race,
a race of philanthropists who only want to make a better world for
everyone, and because of this everyone hates us."
Many simpletons among the lemmings simply accept these claims at face
value. Many knowledgeable people, however, who can see through these
claims to the real Jews hiding behind them, still hesitate to
challenge them. Part of the Jewish mystique is the so-called
"Holocaust." In its most simpleminded form the "Holocaust" story is
the claim that the
Germans hated the Jews for the reasons I just mentioned -- for their
gentleness and their success and their morality and their talent and
their altruism -- and because of this hatred roasted six million of
them during the Second World War in "gas ovens," to use one of the
Jews' favorite "Holocaust" phrases.
Actually, the "Holocaust" is a very powerful part of the Jewish
mystique. The Jews crafted the "Holocaust" story with great care and
great effort -- well, actually not with as much care as they might
have used: it's as full of holes as a Swiss cheese, but still it is
sufficient to make most people, even those who understand what Jews
are really like, hesitate to attack them. People don't want to be seen
as bullies. They don't want to be seen as so insensitive that they
would criticize the Jews, who already have suffered so much, poor
dears, at the hands of anti-Semites.
In several past broadcasts we've looked at a number of the lies and
exaggerations and distortions that make up the "Holocaust" story.
There are a number of good books available on the subject from the
sponsor of this broadcast, National Vanguard Books, including Norman
Finklestein's excellent book The Holocaust Industry, which I discussed
in an earlier broadcast. The point is that despite the lies, despite
the fact that many knowledgeable Americans are aware of the lies, the
"Holocaust" still serves its purpose for the Jews. People are afraid
of the image conjured up by the "Holocaust."
Perhaps it's that American life is too soft... Whatever the reason,
many otherwise knowledgeable and hardheaded Americans just can't
entertain the idea of rounding up the Jews and getting rid of them,
even when the situation is as urgent as it is in America today. And
really, in the long run that is the only way to solve the Jewish
problem.
The Germans understood that, back in the 1930s, and they had the
courage and the foresight to act on their understanding. Unlike
Americans today, they had an honest government concerned above all
with the survival, welfare, and progress of the German people, and
they began doing what was necessary, forcing the Jews to emigrate
wholesale from Germany beginning in 1933. And because of that the
Jewish propaganda machine has attacked the Germans so viciously, has
so blackened and demonized their image, that today even knowledgeable
people are afraid to be associated with that image. They are afraid to
say that the Germans were right, that the Germans were justified, and
that we need to do the same if we are to survive. So, as I said, the
"Holocaust" story, despite its
glaring discrepancies and lies, still serves as a shield for the Jews;
it still protects them from criticism.
Well, mostly. In parts of Europe not quite as poisoned by Jewish
propaganda as America is, the shield has slipped a bit. A large
British department store chain, Selfridges, has yielded to demands
from anti-Israel demonstrators and has removed from its shelves
products marked "Made in Israel." Last week the second largest
supermarket chain in Norway, Coop Norge -- which is to say, Norway
Coop, announced its decision to boycott all Israeli imports. That
decision was not the result of pressure from anti-Israel demonstrators
but was based on the feeling by Coop Norge management that it would be
immoral to continue supporting the Israeli economy by selling Israeli
imports under the
present circumstances. That is a step forward, though it is a long way
from what is needed.
The Jews, of course, immediately began waving their "Holocaust" story
around, and now, as the boycott movement catches hold in Scandinavia,
they are trying to portray themselves as injured innocents being
attacked once more by "anti-Semites." They are comparing the growing
Scandinavian boycott of Israeli products to the German boycott of
Jewish merchants in the late 1930s. Certainly, a boycott of Israeli
products is a good thing, and the fact that such a boycott is even
thinkable by big businessmen today is a sign that the Jewish mystique
-- and in particular the Jewish "Holocaust" story -- is becoming a bit
shopworn. It no longer has the hypnotic power that it once had -- at
least, in some parts of the world. And I suppose that we should be
happy about that. The unfortunate fact remains, however, that in
America the Jews still have their money and
their media and their entrenched network of bureaucrats, and even if
the "Holocaust" story has lost some of its charm in Europe, it still
keeps most knowledgeable Americans intimidated.
Knowledge isn't enough. Courage and boldness also are necessary.
Honesty and forthrightness are necessary also. Tiptoeing around the
critical issues of our time isn't enough. Tiny reforms in our
disastrous foreign policy and in our disastrous immigration policy and
in a dozen other disastrous policies aren't enough. We need to stop
apologizing to the people who are destroying us and go full bore at
destroying them instead.
Instead of being hypnotized by the "Holocaust" story we need to look
with clear eyes at why there was a need for action against the Jews in
Germany in the 1930s and 1940s. The Jews' claim today that the Germans
were suffering from collective insanity and had no reason for trying
to get the Jews off their backs is as phony as George Bush's claim
that
Osama bin Laden had no reason for attacking America on September 11.
Wherever Jews go they corrupt and destroy. That is their nature,
always and everywhere. Let us be thankful to the Palestinians who now
are making such terrible sacrifices to help the world see what the
Jews are like. And I suppose we also should be thankful to Ariel
Sharon for demonstrating so forthrightly to the world what Jews are
like.
Let us hope that the conflict between Jews and Palestinians
intensifies and lasts long enough to wake up many more of our people
around the world and fill them with disgust at America's continuing
support for the Jews. Let us hope that it lasts long enough to bring
about the overthrow of every collaborationist regime in the Muslim
world. Let us hope that it brings about an airtight oil embargo
against the United States and shuts off the lights in every shopping
mall and every sports stadium in America long enough for the lemmings
to become restless and begin asking questions. Let us hope that it
makes the efforts of every fool and every traitor who is striving for
a resumption of the so-called "peace process" so obviously futile that
these efforts no longer have the power to deceive anyone.
Ultimately, of course, we must not depend on the Palestinian suicide
bombers or on Ariel Sharon's murder squads to do for us what we should
be doing for ourselves. Ultimately we must stop tiptoeing and begin
marching boldly and forthrightly toward solving our own problems."
Topaz
wrote:
>
> As in all nature, diversity is a survival strength.
No, in nature birds of a feather flock together.
"Liberals and respectable conservatives say there is this RACE
problem.
Everybody says this RACE problem will be solved when the third world
pours into EVERY white country and ONLY into white countries."
"The Netherlands and Belgium are more crowded than Japan or Taiwan,
but nobody says Japan or Taiwan will solve this RACE problem by
bringing in millions of third worlders and quote assimilating unquote
with them."
"Everybody says the final solution to this RACE problem is for EVERY
white country and ONLY white countries to "assimilate," i.e.,
intermarry, with all those non-whites."
"What if I said there was this RACE problem and this RACE problem
would be solved only if hundreds of millions of non-blacks were
brought
into EVERY black country and ONLY into black countries?"
"How long would it take anyone to realize I'm not talking about a
RACE problem. I am talking about the final solution to the BLACK
problem?"
"And how long would it take any sane black man to notice this and
what kind of psycho black man wouldn't object to this?"
"But if I tell that obvious truth about the ongoing program of
genocide against my race, the white race, Liberals and respectable
conservatives agree that I am a naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews."
They say they are anti-racist. What they are is anti-white.
"Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white."
http://www.whitakeronline.org/blog/
Topaz
<meje...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> ANY Jew is superior to you and David Duke.
>
JEWS - GUTLESS MURDERING COWARDS - OR VALIANT MEN?
by Joseph Cortina
Here are some interesting facts regarding the TRUTH of the matter. You
decide for your self.
I had the opportunity to personally witness one of the most cowardly
acts attributable to ANY ethnicity - but apparently, as countless
eyewitness records show - what I saw was typical for the Jew - and
certainly one of the most repugnant disgusting acts of cowardice. I
discovered later that what I witnessed took place on a daily basis.
Remember - a coward is not necessarily the 'Casper Milktoast' profile.
Virtually all bullies are in reality cowards - as they always pick on
the weakest and most defenseless.
When with the intel community In IsraHELL several years ago I had the
opportunity to be part of a group that went inside the Jew occupied
concentration camp we call Gaza ( Palestine). While our Embassy van
escorted by a Jew IDF jeep with heavily armed paras, reached the
outskirts of Gaza City - which the Jews had completely demolished into
rubble - the jeep stopped abruptly in front of us and the soldier on
the rear of the jeep jumped out and dropped to a kneeling firing
position - arming his rifle as he did so.
The 'enemy' - a seven or eight year old Palestinian child -
undoubtedly an orphan of murdered parents, stood at the edge of the
road - tears rolling down his quivering cheeks - with his hand held
high in defiance of his tormentors - holding an egg sized pebble. Our
vehicle had by then also stopped and I instinctively jumped out -
'armed' with my CIA issue model 35mm Canon camera.
In 3-4 strides I was almost next to the Jew baby killer, who by this
time had aimed at the head of the defenseless child and was about to
murder him on the spot. Apparently my motion caught the corner of his
eye and he turned his head to me for an instant. I aimed my camera at
him and muttered loud enough fro him to hear; " if you murder that
child - you better kill all of us - because the world will see these
pictures" At the same time I gave this cowardly Jew bastard the
universal 'middle finger gesture. He uttered something to me and
angrily stood down - retreating to his jeep.
I breathed a sigh of relief and went back inside the embassy van. One
of the agents inside said: "You know - you just saved that child's
life" Another passenger immediately retorted: - " yea - but it won't
matter anyway - that kid will probably not live another week anyway -
they routinely shoot these Palestinian children here for target
practice".
I never forgot that vision or the cowardly sadistic nature of the Jew.
Had he murdered that child and had I been armed - there is NO doubt in
my mind that I would have shot that cowardly scum on the spot. Such is
the cowardly nature of the Jew. These cold-blooded murders of helpless
civilian men women and children are well documented and continue to
this day. There is an old saying: "a wolf never jumps on another wolf"
Like the Jew - he is an opportunistic predator seeking out the
helpless - aged or injured.
The criminal acts of cowardice by the Jew military (the IDF - which is
IN FACT the largest institutionalized terrorist group in the world)
are as numerous as they are disgusting. In the recent attack on the
virtually defenseless Lebanon (a mostly Christian nation incidentally)
the cowardly Jews shelled tens of thousands of fleeing terrified
civilian refugees - mostly helpless children - with the most horrific
weapons ever invented - heavy artillery fire utilizing NOT ONLY 'HE'
(high explosives) but the Geneva Convention outlawed WP (white
phosphorous) and the most diabolic killing tool ever conceived -
Cluster Bombs - responsible for more civilian casualties than any
other 'ground delivered' ordinance.
These cowardly Jews are so sadistic that they had their children
present at the safe artillery sites - ACTUALLY WRITING HATE SLOGANS ON
THESE 155 mm shells that would soon turn living children into pieces
of raw meat. Some of these slogans read: " with love - from the
children of Israel to the children of Lebanon". These cowardly Jews
actually targeted terrified refuge columns. This incredible cowardly
Jew outrage is ALSO WELL DOCUMENTED.
There is not enough room in one article to enumerate all of the
recorded acts of cowardice by the Jew - but it should give you a good
idea. Now - lets take a good hard DOCUMENTED FACTUAL look at the
record of Jew 'heroism' in the USA military.
What better yardstick of valor than the coveted US Congressional Medal
of Honor. Let me preface these statistics with some other relevant
facts about the character of the Jew. Let the Jews howl all they want
when they read these FACTS - as they have never been able to handle
TRUTH, as lies -duplicity - treason and deception have historically -
for MILLENIA - been their MO for business - diplomacy - 'religion' and
everyday aspects of life. Even the official motto of their terrorist
military reveals their TRUE nature:
"BY DECEPTION WE WAGE WAR"
FACT: wherever there was dissention and troublemakers ALWAYS siding
with our Communist mortal enemies - the provocateurs were always JEWS!
FACT: although only some 3 % of the Soviet population - over 50% of
the Communist commissars were JEWS!
FACT: Although only about 3-4% of the American population - the Jew
comprised some 75% of the treasonous American Communist Party (CPUSA)
FACT: This same Jewish 3-4% low percentage comprises virtually 100% of
the pornography filth in the USA
FACT: Virtually ALL infanticide (child murder) support in America is
from JEWS. Not surprisingly these 'self-chosen' cowards murder nearly
20% of all live born infants in IsraHELL.
FACT: Virtually ALL homosexual /pedophile organization support,
membership, funding in America is from the JEW.
FACT: over 80% of the world's crime syndicates are JEWS!
FACT: over 80% of the Jews in my country are Atheist and members of
the Democrat Party (which in essence is indistinguishable from the
CPUSA which consistently supports Dem. Presidential candidates)
FACT: over 98% of organized worldwide prostitution is funded,
organized, operated by JEWS!
But - now lets get back to the matter of documented JEW 'bravery' and
the Medal of Honor.
Remember - we non Jews are (to the Jew, nothing but cattle - or 'GOY',
as they refer to us - and the Jew in his superior arrogant mind - is
the 'CHOSEN' CHECK THIS OUT!
WWI ----- GOY = 124 CHOSEN = 3 2.4%
WWII ----- GOY = 462 CHOSEN = 3 LESS THAN 1% KOREA ----GOY = 131
CHOSEN= 0 0% NADA! NONE!
VIETNAM--- GOY = 245 CHOSEN = 2 LESS THAN 1%
We could even include the Civil War where the 'Self-Chosen' are always
first in line to shrilly scream their support for civil rights - Black
equality - emancipation etc etc. Wanna see these facts too? CIVIL WAR
--Goy = 1522 CHOSEN = 12 AGAIN - LESS THAN 1%
So much for the Jew who apparently is great at talking the talk - but
pretty yellow when it comes to 'walking the walk'. Mmnn ? gotta wonder
what all these 'brave' Jews were thinking during WWII when their
fellow 'chosen' were paying for their crimes in German prisons.
I think I knew the answer. They were too busy seducing our daughters
and bedding down our wives while we were in foxholes doing a MAN"S job
for them. OH and BTW -= THAT is WELL documented! Of course- in
fairness to the 'chosen' - they had better things to do than risk
their precious kike butts. Like making lots of war profit - staffing
communist organizations - producing porn filth - inciting hate against
anti-Communism - destroying the family unit and of course waging their
ceaseless battle against true Christianity. And of course - as we know
today - thanks to their tireless efforts - our America is now nothing
less than a morally rotted corpse - dysfunctional - rudderless -
greedy - secular Godless shadow of it's former goodness.
As a personal note: One of the assignments I had in the military was
to train combat troops for Vietnam and especially for the then looming
early 60s Berlin Crisis - we were getting ready for war with the Jew's
good friends - the COMMUNISTS! For thirteen straight months - 6 days a
week - 12 hours a day, I and other men of that period churned out as
many disciplined well trained - well motivated young warriors as
possible. Close to a thousand young men that knew by sight and name at
one time ( I was their company commander) Guess what? There was not
one Berg - Goldstein - Silverman - Weiss - Cohen - Ruben - Hoffman or
ANY other 'chosen' - NOT ONE. Just a coincidence, of course.
Just as an afterthought - BUT CRITICALLY IMPORTANT!. ===== Casualties
from our Jew incited serial wars - *60,000+ and I predict over 100,000
before we wake up and figure out who the REAL enemy is and stop
murdering IsraHELL's enemies.
Innocent Civilians we have murdered for the Jew - ONE MILLION + SO FAR
Innocent civilians we have made homeless for the Jew - OVER THREE
MILLION - SO FAR BTW- THAT IS MUCH CLOSER TO THE REAL FIGURE - OR ARE
YOU STILL STUPID ENOUGH TO BUY MORE LIES FROM OUR JEW GOVERNMENT AND
JEW PRESIDENT AND HIS JEW CRIMINAL CABAL OF TRAITORS? HOW HUCH MORE
DEATH AND DESTRUCTION DO YOU NEED? WAKE UP!
JC
Stan Pierce
(snipped)
>>>
>>> Edgar Johnston, PhD. reviews an important new book
>>> Jewish Supremacism by David Duke. Published by Free Speech Press, 2003
>>>
I don't agree with Dr. William Pierce's view of how the Jews deal with the
Palestinians. As far as I see it Israel is a legal country sanctioned by
the UN in 1948 and they are fighting for their survival.
The Jews in Israel also provide America with new inventions to create new
businesses...from Israel. Only the money transfers from America are ever
mentioned when in fact the tax money itself is in the first place generated
by Jewish minds.
However I do agree with him on the Jewish influence in all American public
offices. This will in the end be their undoing...as it was in Germany and
got them bannished. Those that refused to see the light got cooked. I
can see that they now have to hold on to power in America at all costs less
the masses rise again.
Not a pretty future for them. They do not think of the consequences of
their flaunted power over the historical white European America. They got
too much influence after 1945 by playing on Christian sympathy for their
plight in Germany.
I did read that Kennedy once remarked that he was told that Harry Truman
was bribed with a suitcase of two million dollars in cash to vote for the
formation of Israel in the UN. Don't know how it can be proved.
However I want to see them annihilate the Palestinians...they are a useless
remnant of a past civilisation we can do without...who cannot and will not
progress, and will be forever a mendicant state on the white men to keep
them alive and fighting.
Stan Pierce
(snipped)
> > Everybody says this RACE problem will be solved when the third world
> pours into EVERY white country and ONLY into white countries."
> http://www.whitakeronline.org/blog/
>
Now there is a mind I understand.
±DoügßÇ
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>
> "Topaz" <mars...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:onjde41tnbhmavvvf...@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 1 Oct 2008 15:41:52 +0100, "William Black"
>> <willia...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>Except Jews.
>>
>> Jews are an enemy race. The Germans removed the Jews from ruling over
>> them. That is what America needs to do.
>
> No further comment necessary.
>
If TOpaz moved to Saudi Barbaria he'd never have to see a Jew again!
Jews are prohibited from visiting Saudi Barbaria. It's a perfect solution
that
makes everyone happy -- incl. Topaz.
Topaz
<ecr...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>
>I don't agree with Dr. William Pierce's view of how the Jews deal with the
>Palestinians. As far as I see it Israel is a legal country sanctioned by
>the UN in 1948 and they are fighting for their survival.
The Jews is an enemy race. This is what that race believes:
"One of the most astounding instances of Jewish hypocrisy was uttered
by a Jew named Isi Leibler, who is no less than the chairman of the
governing board of the World Jewish Congress. Now Isi Leibler is
well-known as a powerful Jew in Australia, where he was for years the
official head of the Jewish community there. He now lives in Israel.
In an interview with a Jerusalem newspaper, he stated about Israel
"This is a country which was set up and created as a Jewish country
for the Jews." In an essay he wrote for the World Jewish Congress, he
decried intermarriage between Jews and non-Jews as a kind of racial
suicide, and likened assimilation with non-Jews as a slow bleeding to
death of the Jewish people. He emphasized that focus of Israeli policy
should be to sharpen and intensify Jewish identity and that even
giving up territory was acceptable if it meant getting rid of non-Jews
and making Israel a more nearly all-Jewish state. Leibler argues that
post-Zionists threaten Israel when they publish textbooks that
de-emphasize Jewish racial
interests and replace them with "universalist" history. In the
interview mentioned, Leibler went so far as to say: "Multiculturalism
has no place in Israel. Israel was created as a Jewish state for the
Jews." That's the Jew Isi Leibler talking about his own people's
country, talking about Israel. [Leibler, Isi: Is the Dream Ending?
Post-Zionism and its
Discontents - A Threat to the Jewish Future, Institute of the World
Jewish Congress, Israel]
But what was Isi Leibler saying when he lived in Australia, a White
country, a non-Jewish country? What was Isi Leibler saying when he was
the head of Australia's powerful Jewish minority? Isi Leibler's advice
to Israel is to protect its racial and cultural heritage. Isi
Leibler's advice to Jews is to avoid intermarriage. Isi Leibler thinks
it's just
fine -- even necessary -- to separate non-Jews from Jews in Israel, to
get non-Jews on the other side of a well-defended border, to throw
them out of Israel. But to Australians Isi Leibler played quite a
different tune. When Australian politician Pauline Hanson was
galvanizing White Australians in 1993 with her questioning of the
wisdom of non-White
immigration to that country, Leibler warned that "extremists" were
threatening precious multiculturalism. He said: "There is a need to
sit together and establish a way in which Australians can recapture
that spirit of multiculturalism which I think we are all proud being
part and parcel of, and which is really under threat?" [Australian
Herald-Sun,
September 27, 2000]
How much clearer does it have to be before you see it? Leibler and his
fellow powerful Jews want racial nationalism for their own people,
because racial nationalism makes them strong and ensures their
survival. They want racial nationalism because they want their kind to
survive and racial nationalism is the key to survival. They're not
stupid. They want what is best for Jews.
But Leibler and his fellow powerful Jews don't want racial nationalism
for White people. In Australia and Europe and South Africa and the
United States - wherever White people live -- Leibler and his kind in
Jewish organizations and in the Jewish-controlled media do everything
in their power to destroy racial nationalism for White people,
everything
in their power to keep us from having it, everything in their power to
make it disreputable and impossible and illegal. Just the other day,
Leibler said that one of the most important things in the world to him
was Israel's "right to exist as a sovereign Jewish state." [Israel
Insider, November 24, 2002] But Leibler and his co-racialists in the
Jewish ADL and other groups devote their lives and their billions to
preventing White people from claiming their right to sovereign White
states. Keeping Britain British, or keeping America American, or
keeping France French, is anathema to them, it is the ultimate in evil
and they never let us forget that."
>
> The Jews in Israel also provide America with new inventions to create new
>businesses...from Israel. Only the money transfers from America are ever
>mentioned when in fact the tax money itself is in the first place generated
>by Jewish minds.
America is ruled by the Jews. We are ruled by your arch enemies, the
Jews.
>
>However I do agree with him on the Jewish influence in all American public
>offices. This will in the end be their undoing...as it was in Germany and
>got them bannished. Those that refused to see the light got cooked. I
>can see that they now have to hold on to power in America at all costs less
>the masses rise again.
We need to rise again.
>
>Not a pretty future for them. They do not think of the consequences of
>their flaunted power over the historical white European America. They got
>too much influence after 1945 by playing on Christian sympathy for their
>plight in Germany.
>
> I did read that Kennedy once remarked that he was told that Harry Truman
>was bribed with a suitcase of two million dollars in cash to vote for the
>formation of Israel in the UN. Don't know how it can be proved.
>
>However I want to see them annihilate the Palestinians...they are a useless
>remnant of a past civilisation we can do without...who cannot and will not
>progress, and will be forever a mendicant state on the white men to keep
>them alive and fighting.
>
The Arabs know America is ruled by the Jews and don't like that any
more than we do. We should support the Palestinians in any way we can.
They are like us, ruled over by evil Jews.
Stan Pierce
(snipped)
> The Arabs know America is ruled by the Jews and don't like that any
> more than we do. We should support the Palestinians in any way we can.
> They are like us, ruled over by evil Jews.
>
I agree with what you say about Isi Leibler . He has that blind spot
that all Jews seem to have about what is good for *them* doesn't apply to
the white European. This is the result of the Frankfurt School teaching in
the universities post ww2.
But to go from that observation to saying Palestinians should be helped to
get rid of Jews from Israel is plain silly. Palestinians are the worlds
Neanderthals and can never progress. Their intermarrying of cousins has
had catastrophic effect. They will be forever antagonistic to the world at
large...forever. They have no potential whatsoever to improve socially no
matter what is given them. They are not the only people in that position.
They need some virus introduced into them to eradicate them. This also will
happen...maybe not for some years but it will happen.
The Jews will overstep their arrogant influence and cause a social backlash
eventually...again.
Topaz
<ecr...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
> I agree with what you say about Isi Leibler . He has that blind spot
>that all Jews seem to have about what is good for *them* doesn't apply to
>the white European. This is the result of the Frankfurt School teaching in
>the universities post ww2.
>
>But to go from that observation to saying Palestinians should be helped to
>get rid of Jews from Israel is plain silly. Palestinians are the worlds
>Neanderthals and can never progress.
If by allowing homosexual perversion and such you mean "progress"
then they are old fashioned.
If they are not as advanced in technology that is only to be
expected. Race does make the difference. But White nationalists are
not against other races. We merely want a nation for White people. We
can't have that now because we a ruled by Jews who hate the White
race.
White nationalists are not for allowing non-Whites to be citizens of
our nation, even if they are friends like the Palestinians. But that
doesn't mean Palestinians are our enemies. They are not. Jews are our
ememies.
> Their intermarrying of cousins has
>had catastrophic effect. They will be forever antagonistic to the world at
>large...forever. They have no potential whatsoever to improve socially no
>matter what is given them. They are not the only people in that position.
Read the book "Which Way Western man" which explains the deal about
cousins.
The most backward races are in Africa and the aborigines of
Australia. But White nationalists are not trying to harm these groups.
White nationalists merely want nations for White people. We don't want
to mix with other races, but we are also not interested in harming
them in any way. We do have mortal enemies and these are the Jews.
>They need some virus introduced into them to eradicate them. This also will
>happen...maybe not for some years but it will happen.
You are a "hollywood racist". You are not a true racialists like us.
You have watched too much Jewish television. We are not bad. We are
the good in this world. We have no wish to harm Muslims even if they
are backward in some ways, and we admire many of their old fashioned
ways. They don't tolerate homosexual perversion and they are tough on
crime.
>
>The Jews will overstep their arrogant influence and cause a social backlash
>eventually...again.
>
Heil Hitler
Juan M
were raised speaking German instead of English.
Gordon Levi
>Someone needs to learn how to use pronouns properly. You are excused if you
>were raised speaking German instead of English.
>
Someone needs to learn how to use both Usenet _and_ apostrophe s
properly. Your news reader will help you to respond to a Usenet post
so we can see the post that you are responding to. Because you did not
provide any other context it appears from the subject line that the OP
is grammatically correct and asking "Who is a Nazi monster?".