Complete Ban on Abortion Passes South Dakota Legislature, goes to Governor
SunPrancer
to Governor
By Gudrun Schultz
PIERRE, South Dakota, February 23, 2006 (LifeSiteNews.com) –
South Dakota’s Senate passed a law yesterday banning all
abortions in the state, in an open challenge to the 1973 Supreme
Court ruling of Roe vs. Wade that made abortion a constitutional
right.
Republican Governor Mike Rounds has yet to sign the bill, but he
is known to oppose abortion. In 2004 Gov. Rounds vetoed a
similar bill after it had passed the Senate vote, because the
bill did not ensure that existing abortion restrictions would
remain in effect while the law went to the courts, as it was
expected to. This bill has been modified to address that concern.
Gov. Rounds has said in the past he would “look favorably” on an
abortion ban if it would “save life.” He has said he won’t
comment on whether or not he will sign the legislation until it
formally arrives at his desk. It’s expected to reach him within
a week, and he then has 15 days to come to a decision.
The bill, which passed by a 23-12 vote, makes abortion a felony
in the state, punishable by up to five years imprisonment. The
only exception to the South Dakota law would be cases where the
life of the mother was in danger. Lawmakers successfully avoided
making changes to the bill that would allow abortions in cases
of rape, incest, or for the “health” of the mother, exceptions
which usually cripple the application of laws against abortion.
“We applaud the courage of the South Dakota legislature in
voting to ban abortion and end this tragic violence against
women and children,” Rev. Patrick J. Mahoney, director of the
Christian Defense Coalition, said in a press release today.
"With several states waiting in the wings to ban abortion,
momentum is clearly building nationwide to overturn Roe. Polls
are showing that more and more Americans are becoming
uncomfortable with abortion and the overwhelming majority of our
nation's young people feel abortion is 'immoral'.”
The bill was brought forward in a deliberate attempt to force
the Supreme Court to re-examine the legality of abortion. The
addition of two new Supreme Court judges nominated by President
Bush, Justices John Roberts Jr. and Samuel Alito Jr., has given
fresh motivation to the work of protecting the life of the unborn.
"It is a calculated risk to be sure, but I believe it is a fight
worth fighting," said Sen. Brock Greenfield, a Republican who is
also director of South Dakota Right to Life.
South Dakota is the first of six states currently working to
bring in legislature that would see a broad ban placed on
abortion. Georgia, Indiana, Kentucky, Ohio, and Tennessee have
anti-abortion legislation in various stages moving towards full
implementation.
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Quote: G. K. Chesterton.
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Medjugorje Message of December 25, 2005 to Marija Pavlovic
Lunetti from the Blessed Virgin Mary in Bosnia-Herzegovina, the
former communist Yugoslavia. These are the messages from the
last apparitions on earth of the Blessed Virgin Mary who
proclaims that these times are a time of grace granted to
mankind by God for the purpose of conversion back to Him, when
these apparitions of over 24 years come to an end, the ten
Chastisements will begin for the renewal of the world and
mankind.
Medjugorje Message of January 25, 2006 from the Blessed Virgin
Mary.
"Dear children! Also today I call you to be carriers of the
Gospel in your families. Do not forget, little children, to read
Sacred Scripture. Put it in a visible place and witness with
your life that you believe and live the Word of God. I am close
to you with my love and intercede before my Son for each of you.
Thank you for having responded to my call." 01/2006
Strings§
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Sharx35
"Strings§" <pkupwr5b...@nospamo.not> wrote in message
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> If they had sense they would ban religion.
Faggot hypocrites like you seem to want all the RIGHTS of the Charter ONLY
for yourselves.
klunk
> Faggot hypocrites like you seem to want all the RIGHTS of the Charter ONLY for
> yourselves.
actually, if religion were banned, EVERYONE would have MORE rights and freedoms,
not less...
klunk
and btw shirkee... the charter is intended to promote the equality of rights not
restrict them... it's only the way in which hypocrites interpret them that
restrictions have come about....
Leo J Callaghan
wrote:
ahh, wait a minute: separation... church... state.... hold on, that
won't do. no, the state shall dictate the morals of the nation. next
up: no seconds on dessert.
SunDancing
...or Liberal morality.
Sharx35
"klunk" <kl...@theothershoe.org> wrote in message
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You just don't get it. It is just as fascistic to DENY people the RIGHT to
believe in their religion as to MAKE them believe in a particular religion.
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"Leo J Callaghan" <leo_ca...@telus.net> wrote in message
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Murdering someone is USUALLY immoral. The state punishes murderers..usually.
SO, therefore the state is dictating morals? There is BASIC morality that
MOST ****DECENT***** people agree on. That is WHY WE HAVE LAWS
White Phosphorus
"Sharx35" <sha...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Excellent point Sharx. I couldn't have agreed more with you.
Which is why religion has no place in government. It gives
all religions / Athiests / Agnostics a fair playing field.
Good Call!
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Mountain Goat
<Big_Ba...@CompaniesStore.com> wrote:
If the governor signs it, it will be tossed by the first court it goes
before. Reason, they are bound by previous Supreme Court precedent.
Leaving out the health, rape and incest provisions is the death of
this bill.
"I believe there are more instances of the abridgement
of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent
encroachments of those in power than by violent and
sudden usurpations." - US President James Madison
"To be a social conservative is to believe that the
poor have too much money, and the rich don't have
enough." - J.K. Galbraith
"You need only reflect that one of the best ways to get
yourself a reputation as a dangerous citizen these days
is to go about repeating the very phrases which our
founding fathers used in the struggle for independence."
- Charles Austin Beard
Gazoo
> On Fri, 24 Feb 2006 10:19:25 -0500, SunPrancer
> <Big_Ba...@CompaniesStore.com> wrote:
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> If the governor signs it, it will be tossed by the first court it goes
> before. Reason, they are bound by previous Supreme Court precedent.
> Leaving out the health, rape and incest provisions is the death of
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about the cost of challenging the abortion ruling Roe Vs. Wade.
The cost is going to be enormous.
Sharx35
"White Phosphorus" <yel...@cake.com> wrote in message
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Adopting basic morality doesn't make a government religious. If it did, we'd
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Again I agree 100%. We should have basic non religous morality dictating
laws. You make excellent points.
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klunk
>>> Faggot hypocrites like you seem to want all the RIGHTS of the Charter ONLY
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>>> yourselves.
>>actually, if religion were banned, EVERYONE would have MORE rights and
>>freedoms,
>>not less...
> ahh, wait a minute: separation... church... state.... hold on, that
> won't do. no, the state shall dictate the morals of the nation. next
> up: no seconds on dessert.
ahh, wait a minute... the state doesn't dictate morals... churches do... hold
on, their efforts are almost always predicated by self-interest and that
shouldn't do... next up, no seconds on dissention...
klunk
>>>> Faggot hypocrites like you seem to want all the RIGHTS of the Charter ONLY
>>>> for
>>>> yourselves.
>>>actually, if religion were banned, EVERYONE would have MORE rights and
>>>freedoms,
>>>not less...
>> ahh, wait a minute: separation... church... state.... hold on, that
>> won't do. no, the state shall dictate the morals of the nation. next
>> up: no seconds on dessert.
> Murdering someone is USUALLY immoral. The state punishes murderers..usually.
> SO, therefore the state is dictating morals? There is BASIC morality that
> MOST ****DECENT***** people agree on. That is WHY WE HAVE LAWS
for the state to allow its citizens to be murdered is to fail in the
preservation of the equality of rights in that all have a basic right to live...
no moral dilemma here... only in the convoluted minds of those who misinterpret
the basic nature of law...
klunk
>>> Faggot hypocrites like you seem to want all the RIGHTS of the Charter ONLY
>>> for yourselves.
>> actually, if religion were banned, EVERYONE would have MORE rights and
>> freedoms, not less...
> You just don't get it. It is just as fascistic to DENY people the RIGHT to
> believe in their religion as to MAKE them believe in a particular religion.
i made no such claim as to deny people the right to believe what they wish, i
only stated that if religion were banned, then rights and freedoms for ALL would
expand... my personal belief is that institutionalization of a subjective
experience which differs from individual to individual is beyond the capacity of
any institution to comprehend fully and allow them to accurately establish
commonalities between people that reflect anything but the superficial.... do
you believe, if you are catholic, that your particular sets of beliefs have
anything in common with that of the pope...? (beyond the superficial one's that
is)... for that matter, you really believe that the current pope completely
shares all such points of belief that JohnPaul did?... if you do, then you have
truly misunderstood the nature of individualized existence.
Sew
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>Murdering someone is USUALLY immoral. The state punishes murderers..usually.
>SO, therefore the state is dictating morals? There is BASIC morality that
>MOST ****DECENT***** people agree on. That is WHY WE HAVE LAWS
That are mainly ineffective and only apply to law abiding people.
Politicians are exempt, killers are exempt (Karla etc.), etc.etc.
Sew
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>have NO laws.
Including really, really old laws and bad laws....
Mountain Goat
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Oh I think the anti abortion fanatics can provide lots of money for
this if they think they can overturn 'Roe v. Wade'. The state won't
have to spend much.
Greg Carr
and purposes in China. You can always move there.
Greg Carr
"fundy" type of Christian but even I think rape and incest victims
should be allowed to abort. I also don't have a problem with RU-486.
gap...@vcn.bc.ca
S> The bill, which passed by a 23-12 vote, makes abortion a felony
S> in the state, punishable by up to five years imprisonment. The
S> only exception to the South Dakota law would be cases where the
S> life of the mother was in danger. Lawmakers successfully avoided
S> making changes to the bill that would allow abortions in cases
S> of rape, incest, or for the “health” of the mother, exceptions
S> which usually cripple the application of laws against abortion.
You applaud forcing rape victims to raise the child that was conceived by their
rapist?
Will YOU provide her the financial support her & her child needs?
Will YOU provide her the counselling needed to repair the evil being
perpetrated against her?
As to limiting abortion to saving the mother's life -- you watch how many
doctors will swear that an abortion is the only way to prevent the mother
potentially committing suicide, if forced to carry the child. . .
I'm certainly against abortion being used as a form of retroactive birth
control, but the above isn't going to help much!
My reasons for being against it aren't because the Bible says it's wrong (it
actually doesn't in any way!).
I'm against the harm being perpetrated on women through the abortion
industry's rampant drive for profits before people. . .
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White Phosphorus
"Greg Carr" <greg...@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
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> Anyone who knows my posting history can attest to that fact I am a very
> "fundy" type of Christian but even I think rape and incest victims
> should be allowed to abort. I also don't have a problem with RU-486.
>
Then your not a "fundy" type of Christian. The Lauzon's and
his kind wouldn't even allow RU-486 for rape victims.
With fundies it's an either / or proposition. They have black or
white logic. Your a Saint or a killer. No in between and no
arguing. And no point debating with them either...
Which is why power should never be given to them, at any cost...
klunk
>> "fundy" type of Christian but even I think rape and incest victims
>> should be allowed to abort. I also don't have a problem with RU-486.
> Then your not a "fundy" type of Christian. The Lauzon's and
> his kind wouldn't even allow RU-486 for rape victims.
> With fundies it's an either / or proposition. They have black or
> white logic. Your a Saint or a killer. No in between and no
> arguing. And no point debating with them either...
> Which is why power should never be given to them, at any cost...
i'm beginning to believe such types should be incarcerated for the propagation
of their narrow-minded hatreds... but then, that would only reflect the same
black and white logic they're guilty of...
their forms of thought are definitely a cancer in our midst and a danger to our
society.
Big_Bad_John
...it's not only so-called fundies that are against abortion, anyone
that can understand that a living child resides in a womens womb also
has a right to life as much as anyone else, don't believe in abortion.
It's a tragedy that you want the child to die because it was conceived
by rape, but there are millions of children today who are being
slaughtered in the womb who WEREN'T conceived by rape, yet you are
silent about their slaughter.
--
TOLERANCE is a virtue of a man WITHOUT convictions. Quote: G. K.
Chesterton.
http://www.avemariaradio.net/catholic-online-radio.php
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Medjugorje Message of February 25, 2006 to Marija Pavlovic
Lunetti from the Blessed Virgin Mary in Bosnia-Herzegovina, the
former communist Yugoslavia. These are the messages from the
last apparitions on earth of the Blessed Virgin Mary who
proclaims that these times are a time of grace granted to
mankind by God for the purpose of conversion back to Him, when
these apparitions of over 24 years come to an end, the ten
Chastisements will begin for the renewal of the world and
mankind.
Medjugorje Message of February 25, 2006
"Dear children! In this Lenten time of grace, I call you to open
your hearts to the gifts that God desires to give you. Do not be
closed, but with prayer and renunciation say 'yes' to God and He
will give to you in abundance. As in springtime the earth opens
to the seed and yields a hundredfold, so also your heavenly
Father will give to you in abundance. I am with you and love
you, little children, with a tender love. Thank you for having
responded to my call." 02/2006
klunk
no response, eh?.... i guess you've realized that you haven't been entirely
honest with yourself about just how fascistic your own views are.... either
that, or you really are too stupid to process my response... i would have
expected at least another assault like "FOAD" or to call me a "fudge-packing
liebrawl".... did i make your brain hurt with my response?
just to be clear, i've usually found your inanity in this group to be mostly
harmless humour on a childishly twisted level, but when you threatened irish...
you crossed the line with me, asshole... be on notice.
Sharx35
If I want to hear from you, I'll rattle your chain, FAGGOT!!
klunk
someone as obsessed with anal sex as you are can be the only faggot here...
and believe me when i tell you that my version of the term has nothing to do
with homosexuality... only to do with ignorant, bigoted, small-minded
(reflective of a miniscule penis) asinine fuck who can't seem to get it through
his thick fucking skull just how fucking destitute his views are.... you
ignoramus.... and that is a compliment....
TopPoster
the right book before you post
--
Socrates taught his students that the pursuit of truth can only begin once
they start to question and analyze every belief that they ever held dear. If
a certain belief passes the tests of evidence, deduction, and logic, it
should be kept. If it doesn't, the belief should not only be discarded, but
the thinker must also then question why he was led to believe the erroneous
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Sharx35
Give it up, little man, I OWN your arse. You are my bitch!! Suck it up, eh?
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"TopPoster" <ToPo...@Poster.Com> wrote in message
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>I have read playboy back to front and it does not mention pork, Sharx read
> the right book before you post
You have hot dogs confused with the "pork sword".
klunk
what a fucking imbecile you are... you obsess over anuses and call others
faggots, you attempt to use your brain and all that happens is the sound of
chains rattling, you push your crap onto others and when they push back you
offer retorts i was last accustomed to hearing in elementary school and when
confronted with any question that will only demonstrate your imbecility if you
attempt to respond, you prove beyond any reasonable doubt that the only one
who's been short-changed in their "manhood" is you... get a fucking clue
asswipe.... and i'm not talking about board-games.... fuck, but sometimes you
can be so ignorantly stupid, i almost believe that an insect can be your
superior in intellect.... and that any male four-legged creature is more of a
"man" than you'll ever hope to be... go back to your guns and household
implements... and stop trying to suck your own penis, you'll only end up
plucking it out altogether....
TopPoster
--
Socrates taught his students that the pursuit of truth can only begin once
they start to question and analyze every belief that they ever held dear. If
a certain belief passes the tests of evidence, deduction, and logic, it
should be kept. If it doesn't, the belief should not only be discarded, but
the thinker must also then question why he was led to believe the erroneous
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Strings§
Klunk its not worth the effort to debate with Sharx he is a closed minded 17
year old kid and if not 17 is his mental development level.
When ever its clear he has lost a intelligent debate like kids he strikes
out and resorts to name calling.
I too have noticed he is obsessed with labeling people who he looses debates
to as gay ??
looie
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>"Strings§" <pkupwr5b...@nospamo.not> wrote in message
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>> If they had sense they would ban religion.
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>Faggot hypocrites like you seem to want all the RIGHTS of the Charter ONLY
>for yourselves.
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When did South Dakota adopt Canada's Charter, genius?
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>> "SunPrancer" <Big_Ba...@CompaniesStore.com> wrote in message
>> news:dtn82t$m7e$2...@utornnr1pp.grouptelecom.net...
klunk
i allowed his threats against irish to raise my ire, but it's true, my
neighbour's mute toy poodle has a scarier bark than he does....
Ivan Gowch
<Big_Ba...@CompaniesStore.com> wrote:
[snip]
==>...it's not only so-called fundies that are against abortion, anyone
==>that can understand that a living child resides in a womens womb
In fact, of course, no woman's womb contains
a "child."
A child is a human who has been born alive.
What's inside a woman's womb is a zygote, embryo
or fetus -- a pre-conscious blob of cellular matter
that is no more a "child" than an egg is a chicken.
Any pregnant womam who harbours even the slightest
doubt that she is willing or able to bear, birth,
nurture, raise and love a child should get herself to
the nearest women's clinic and get rid of the
parasitic growth inside her as soon as possible,
before it's too late and two lives are ruined.
Abortion save lives, it doesn't destroy them.
--
Better an abortion clinic on every streetcorner
than the birth of one more unwanted child.
-Ivan Gowch
klunk
In fact, of course, Bitter_Butter_Dong IS a pre-conscious blob of cellular
matter... an intellectually anaemic amoeba and having never been alive believes
his mutation to be a form of existence all must descend to in order to find some
justification for the excruciating pain he experiences on a daily basis.... and
if he had been aborted, his life would have been saved as well....
Temet Nosce
Peter White
Cut off by google wrote:
> x-no-archive: yes
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> What exists in the womb is a unique, living human, and nothing you baby
> killer wannabees say changes that fact.
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klunk
> killer wannabees say changes that fact.
yup... another zygote that believes it can think.....
klunk
> me that female humans in Canada were not in fact human until the Privy
> Council declared them to be such.
actually, they were not "recognized" as human... which means the operating
definition of "human" was limited against the scope of its own attempt at
devising a means of encapsulating a concept...
regarding the definition of "life".... this also includes plants... in which
case, if you wish to be consistent with your argument, you should also be
ranting against people who pull weeds from their gardens....
klunk
> Abortion kills a human, your 1@#$# lies and propaganda notwithstanding.
actually, it is your particular brand of horseshit lying and propoganda that
destroys lives....
> --
>>Better an abortion clinic on every streetcorner than the birth of one more
>>unwanted child.
>>-Ivan Gowch
> Utter horsehit.
udder teat-worship
klunk
Yup, another stinky fart from a pile of feces....
klunk
>>definition of "human" was limited against the >scope of its own attempt at
>>devising a means of encapsulating a concept...
> Would that be like the present legal definition of human is limited
> against the scope of its own attempt at devising a means of
> encapsulating a concept... by not including living but not yet born
> humans?
the present, legal definition of "human" is different than the present, legal
definition of "where human life begins", which is at the beginning of the third
trimester... but i suspect this distinction escapes your limited mental
functionality as being too complex to decipher and so you would prefer a
sweeping definition that can only confirm your own particular brand of
stupidity...
>>regarding the definition of "life".... this also >includes plants...
> and bacteria, fungi, etc.
>>in which case, if you wish to be consistent with >your argument, you should
>>also be ranting >against people who pull weeds from their >gardens....
> Well, plants aren' t human. But I don't eat the meat of higher animals.
> And fyi, though it is irrelevant, I do in fact try to limit the weeding
> that must be done in our gardern by resorting to things like companion
> planting.
well, at least you're capable of demonstrating some form of conscious
appreciation for a conscience...
klunk
Sorry idiot, but your sperm died when it left your penis....
klunk
do you still eat shit and pretend it's chocolate ice-cream?
klunk
and if any of yours succeeded on their journey toward initiating cell division,
they are obviously so cancerously mutated that whatever plopped out at the end
of nine months would be stillborn, whether breathing or not...
klunk
> Not surprising since it seems to be the main substance in your cranium.
since you're the one who's brought up the subject, i find it interesting that
you continually reference it in our "discussion".... which is not surprising,
considering the inverted perspective on life that you've adopted...
klunk
> poop poop insults.
since you exemplify all the above traits, you already know what its like...
> It must really suck to be you.
only when dealing with narrow-minded imbeciles like yourself...
klunk
> Here is where you brought up the subject:
> Klunk: "Yup, another stinky fart from a pile of feces...."
yes, i was the first one to use the term feces, but you're the first one to
indulge in such when attempting to base your argument in law, then conveniently
switching your definition to the fallacious position postulated by the
mythos-peddling superstitious freaks at the vatican.... and therefore offering
nothing constructive to this "discussion" but convoluted bullshit....
Cut off by google
Liar. I have never tried to base my argument in law.
My argument is based in science and logic... something you
pro-abortionists must thow to the wind to maintain your position.
I love it when you try to offer legal definitions as a come back. It
makes you look so stupid because then you get into all sorts of
quandries given that our laws one held that women, blacks, natives, and
the unlanded were also not human beings.
klunk
>> poop poop insults.
btw.... "poop poop".....?.... just how fucking repressive was your childhood?
klunk
>>> poop poop insults.
>>since you exemplify all the above traits, you already know what its like...
> I'm not stupid, ignorant or into poop poop jokes. Insolent, sometimes.
>>> It must really suck to be you.
>>only when dealing with narrow-minded imbeciles like your
> Because I don't agree with the killing of the unborn you think I'm
> narrow-minded. How narrow minded of you.
because of your narrow-minded belief of something that has never lived can be
killed, you are extremely stupid....
klunk
> My argument is based in science and logic... something you
> pro-abortionists must thow to the wind to maintain your position.
Witness your own words:
"LOL. Notbright tried a variant of this argument a while back to
establish his paternity. He claimed that because the state identified
his parents on his birth certificate he knew who his parents were."
"And being the legal positivist you must be, you are now going to tell
me that female humans in Canada were not in fact human until the Privy
Council declared them to be such."
"What is your position viz muslim jurisdictions where women are not so
regarded?"
and even below you vainly attempt to cite legalese when your grasp of logic is
mindlessly entrenched in that which only corroborates your own ignorance.....
> I love it when you try to offer legal definitions as a come back. It
> makes you look so stupid because then you get into all sorts of
> quandries given that our laws one held that women, blacks, natives, and
> the unlanded were also not human beings.
I love it when religious rightard freaks backtrack on their own positions and
then call others liars when confronted with the realities of their own flaccid
thoughts....
klunk
btw... try to use real-world scientific principles not those which have been
corrupted by the same form of thinking that promotes "intelligent design" as a
valid form of science....
klunk
actually, i had thought you were the first to reference "shit"... and have now
found your first reference which occurred prior to mine.... "Utter horsehit"
was the exclamation you made in response to Ivan's post, which only proves
you're the one suffering from Alzheimer's.... dumbfuck....
klunk
it was in the first exchange between us... imbecile... i responded to what is
clearly now your pattern of consistently idiotic exclamations and subsequent
denials.... you are so completely afraid of coming to terms with your delusional
state that you edit out every trace of our pissing contest in your replies just
so you can preserve what little dignity you helplessly grasp onto....
klunk
> "poop poop insult" stage.
and yet you continue to focus on the use of the term "poop poop" as if you've
discovered something of fascination, much like any two year-old would.... i can
only imagine you now as an imbecilic baby running throughout your house yanking
an imaginary chain pretending to be a train....
klunk
>>"LOL. Notbright tried a variant of this argument a while back to
>>establish his paternity. He claimed that because the state identified
>>his parents on his birth certificate he knew who his parents were."
>
>>"And being the legal positivist you must be, you are now going to tell
>>me that female humans in Canada were not in fact human until the Privy
>>Council declared them to be such."
>
>>"What is your position viz muslim jurisdictions where women are not so
>>regarded?"
> Those are indeed my words. And you were too @!#$# stupid to have any
> idea as to their meaning.
did yer fingers slip on the keyboard or are you so self-conscious that you
believe God might be looking over your shoulders and forcing you to encrypt your
thoughts....?
btw.... i think you misspelled "fuck"....
> The words were a preemptory attack on the use of the legal definition
> of human you stunned baby killers wannabees invariably fall back to as
> justification for killing the unborn when science and logic show your
> position to be morally untenable.
yes.... a "pre-emptory attack"... isn't that the typical justification of those
blinded by a deeply entrenched arrogance that assumes it is capable of acting as
a moral barometer for the rest of humanity.... do yourself a favour and get off
of your high-chair before you fall back over and break your neck....
and if you wish to attempt to establish a position of science and logic... then
show some evidence of empirical knowledge and stop clucking like a chicken... at
least make an effort to base your arguments within *some* scientific
framework... it's simply not sufficiently convincing to wrap yourself in an
"invisible suit" and yell out that you are wearing clothing....
>>and even below you vainly attempt to cite legalese when your grasp of logic is
>>mindlessly entrenched in that which only corroborates your own ignorance.....
> LOL. There is no place where I have attempted to cite legalese in my
> argument, and my grasp of logic is vastly superior to your own:
> something your sorry attempts to couch your stupidity by resort to
> profound sounding words does not obsucificate.
right... you begin your discussions by attempting to frame your arguments within
a legal framework and then deny doing so.... hmmm.... more evidence of a
delusionary mind.... i must admit, however, i appreciate your description of my
words as "profound".... i guess to you, any multi-syllabic use of language must
seem like obfuscation.... just how did you manage to cut through the
inveigling....?
>>> I love it when you try to offer legal definitions as a come back. It
>>> makes you look so stupid because then you get into all sorts of
>>> quandries given that our laws one held that women, blacks, natives, and
>>> the unlanded were also not human beings.
>
>>I love it when religious rightard freaks backtrack on their own positions and
>>then call others liars when confronted with the realities of their own flaccid
>>thoughts....
> I'm a leftist you stupid arse.
then i guess you're proof that imbelic superstitious beliefs are not a monopoly
held by conservatives.... and i must assume that if you can believe my arse is
stupid, then your own brain must be located next to your cocyx...
> "Flaccid" - is that the word your doctor used to describe your penis
> when you told him you could no longer get it up in the presence of
> naked women and that it seemed to be functioning as well as your brain?
now who's digging into the gutter to find insults to hurl.... hmmmm.... do as i
say, not as i do.... where have i heard that before....?... oh... that's
right.... by practically every other asshole who thinks they know better than
every other "blasphemer" what is or isn't "moral".... you're just another simpy
little hypocrite.... i think it's time for you to get your mommy to change your
diaper now....
klunk
> fertilizes a human egg is resorting to real world scientific
> principles, flaccid brain.
no it's not... it's the promotion of a wholly biased and decidedly unscientific
view.... without any form of supporting justification for the conclusion...
indeed, all scientific discovery conducted to date simply describes this process
at the initial stages as merely "cell-division"... no evidence of life beyond
that resembling any other form of protozoa has been or can be attributed by any
rational mind... only by the pseudo-scientists who believe such things as
"intelligent design" are valid science.... truly... you need to revisit your
dictionary for a refresher on the definition of flaccid... along with
definitions on the words defining it, because you apparently have not a clue
what it means even after having visited it the first time around.... dimbulb....
"flaccid brain".... bwahahaha wutta maroon.... you could get a job as a parrot
if you happen to lose your current position as a clown....
klunk
> used it in reply to a post by me, imbecile. Hence you were the one to
> bring it in to "our discussion."
> And you brought in such references in other subthreads during "our
> discussion."
> What about the concept of "our discussion" can't you understand?
since you are apparently either too stupid to read or are so entrenched in
denial, i'll repeat myself before you skip once more the statement below... my
response WAS to your use of "horseshit".... and that is where OUR exchange
began....
>>i responded to what is clearly now your pattern of consistently idiotic
>> >>exclamations
> Just because you are too stupid or ideologically blinded to understand
> something doesn't make that which you are too stupid or ideologically
> blinded to understand idiotic, idiot.
"ideologically blinded".... that's funny, since the only one spouting ideology
here is YOU.... "human life begins when sperm reaches and penetrates egg"...
what a fuckwad... there is absolutely no science backing such a claim... only
theology and parroted by nincompoops as vapid in their thinking process as
you've clearly demonstrated are consonant with your own....
>>and subsequent denials....
> No denials from me in this thread idiot.
oh... i see.... every new thread and or post is an opportunity for you to form a
complete and separate entity from every other.... ok... as long as i can
understand the nature of your dysfunction, i suppose i can work with that...
what choice do i have when attempting to communicate with an imbecile who's
incapable of not only explicating his position, but of providing any substance
justifying the mindlessly parroted drivel he appropriates.... i'll just have to
cross-reference your own words in your replies in future...
>>you are so completely afraid of coming to terms with your delusional
>>state that you edit out every trace of our pissing contest in your replies
>>just
>>so you can preserve what little dignity you helplessly grasp onto....
> LOL. Keep telling yourself that. Just like you keep telling yourself
> that when a woman aborts no human life is taken. It doesn't make what
> you are telling yourself true of course... I know it is false and deep
> down you do too... but it does apparently helps you maintain your
> tenuous grip on your sanity.
LOL... what's REEEELLY funny is that since my reference to your editing habits,
you've changed your behaviour to maintain our "discussion" history in your
subsequent responses....
if you wish to attribute such a belief to me, then that not only confirms the
extent of your delusion, but it also confirms for me, what i already assumed
when beginning this exchange.... that you're just another loon who's overwhelmed
by a world that doesn't conform to his diseased sensibilities.... i guess it's
just too much for you to accept that someone truly believes that to prohibit
abortion is an incredibly sadistic and short-sighted position to adopt.... tell
me.... do you, like the StunnedOne, believe adoption is a form of adultery as
well....?
you obviously have no fucking clue what is or isn't true... you only cling on
dearly to fallacious beliefs you've not truly bothered to investigate because it
would dismantle so much of your tepid paradigm and force you to rethink the
entirety of your own miserable life....
klunk
> your intelligence by using a number of alternate words for shit.
i see you're still preoccupied by feces.... maybe you should get some toilet
paper and wipe your mouth... i'm sure if you rub hard enough you'll eventually
be able to remove all traces of it... and don't forget to perform the proper
penitence following your next confession....
klunk
>> > Because I don't agree with the killing of the unborn you think I'm
>> > narrow-minded. How narrow minded of you.
>> because of your narrow-minded belief of something that has never lived can be
>> killed, you are extremely stupid....
> I don't believe something that has never lived can be killed. I know
> that an unborn human is killed when there is an abortion and you do
> too, or it is you who are extremely stupid.
i know that you are extremely persistent in your stupidity.... and for you to
continually restate a position that has no basis anywhere other than in the
convoluted recesses of what you call a mind is only evidence of such.... you are
so fucked up in your entrenchment that you can't even notice the wildly apparent
inherent contradiction within the words you use....
klunk
> the term.
holy fuck man.... you a complete loon....
>>maybe you should get some toilet paper and wipe your mouth... i'm sure if you
>>rub hard enough you'll eventually
>>be able to remove all traces of it... and don't forget to perform the proper
>>penitence following your next confession....
>
> Keep your demented fantasies to yourself.
>
klunk
> Of course it is. Denial isn't just a river in Egypt, and you are so big
> into denial it would be funny... if human lives weren't at stake. Guys
> like you worked as guards at Belsen.
sounds like you should be taking some of your own advice idiot... and the only
human life that is at stake is yours.... since your own stupidity is soooooo
aparent, i fear you may stick your finger in a light socket in order to talk to
god....
>>it's the promotion of a wholly biased and decidedly unscientific
>>view.... without any form of supporting justification for the conclusion...
>>indeed, all scientific discovery conducted to date simply describes this
>>process
>>at the initial stages as merely "cell-division"...
> Cells undergoing division are engaging in a key process of life... self
> replication. And human cells are undergoing the process by which an
> adult, sexually reproductive human is created, that the species might
> be perpetuated.
yes.... just like an amoeba reproducing.... are you going to recommend passing a
law prohibiting antibiotics as well...
>>no evidence of life beyond that resembling any other form of protozoa has been
>>or can be attributed by any
>>rational mind...
> Non scientific irrational gobbly gook. A human egg undergoing division,
> and all the cells engaged in the division of the process as the human
> grows, are doing something vastly different from the actions of
> protozoa.
it's only gobbeldygook to an imbecile.... and check yer elementary school
science book again sherlock, because you've obviously not understood it the
first time you went through it yesterday when confronted with this reality...
>>only by the pseudo-scientists who believe such things as "intelligent design"
>>are valid science....
> Strawman.
yes.... be entirely dismissive while clearly demonstrating an absolute capacity
for misapprehension and be sure to call whatever putrid meal supplements you
consume, chocolate....
>>truly... you need to revisit your dictionary for a refresher on the definition
>>of flaccid... along with
>>definitions on the words defining it, because you apparently have not a clue
>>what it means even after having visited it the first time around....
>>dimbulb....
> Your brain at best works limply... when it is capable of working at
> all. Take your ideological blinders off and deal with the science, baby
> killer wannabe.
i think i hear the pot calling..... again with your accusation of ideology...
man, but you are soooo fucking stoopid, i wonder how you tie your shoes... i
guess you don't have to anymore.... real scientists have invented velcro....
btw... check your dictionary again chuck... 'cause you also have no clue on what
"ideology" means....
>>"flaccid brain".... bwahahaha wutta maroon.... you could get a job as a parrot
>> >if you happen to lose your current position as a >clown....
> Keep laughing flaccid brain.
and how old are you.... 3?
klunk
>>denial, i'll repeat myself before you skip once more the statement below... my
>>response WAS to your use of "horseshit".... and that is where OUR exchange
>>began....
> And you started it. And then made continued reference to feces, shit,
> whatever thoroughout.
wawawawawawa... fuck.... get off the pot idiot.... and at least try to act like
something resembling an adult....
>>>>i responded to what is clearly now your pattern of consistently idiotic
>>>> >>exclamations
>>> Just because you are too stupid or ideologically blinded to understand
>>> something doesn't make that which you are too stupid or ideologically
>>> blinded to understand idiotic, idiot.
>
>>"ideologically blinded".... that's funny, since the only one spouting ideology
>>here is YOU....
> No, I'm spouting science numbnuts.
you haven't made one single scientifically based statement.... unless of course
you've just time travelled here from the dark ages.... when it was normal to
reason by analogy...
>> "human life begins when sperm reaches and penetrates egg"...
>>what a fuckwad... there is absolutely no science backing such a claim...
> Of course there is. It is at this point that a new organism is created.
> When the sperm and egg come from a human, it is a new human. When it
> comes from a dolphin, it is a new dolphin.
right... would you like to provide a description on that process.... using a
step by step explanation for each stage of development and provide some context
to each stage while contrasting it against the whole of what science has
discovered about the process of cell division.... also, if you can.... try to
provide some insights into where and how you believe consciousness occurs during
this process... keeping in mind, of course, the distinction you've identified
between what is and isn't human... try to isolate those human aspects that set
apart one cell from another which determine humanity...
>>only theology and parroted by nincompoops as vapid in their thinking process
>>as
>>you've clearly demonstrated are consonant with your own....
> Your the vapid one here numbnuts. Next you'll be claiming that the
> earth is flat. You have heard of DNA, have you not, numbnuts?
that's funny.... i would have thought you had already stated with absolute
certainty that the earth is flat.... but i'm not the one who manufactures
denial....
>>>>and subsequent denials....
>>> No denials from me in this thread idiot.
>>oh... i see....
> You don't see much... with your ideological blinders on.
it must be tough for you to navigate in so much darkness...
>>every new thread and or post is an opportunity for you to form a
>>complete and separate entity from every other.... ok... as long as i can
>>understand the nature of your dysfunction, i suppose i can work with that...
> You are, it would seem, to dysfunctional to understand, let alone work
> with normal people, let alone people who have dysfuntions.
and you are so dysfunctional that your only goal in this exchange is to hold
onto whatever little self-worth you have...
>>what choice do i have when attempting to communicate with an imbecile who's
>>incapable of not only explicating his position, but of providing any substance
>>justifying the mindlessly parroted drivel he appropriates.... i'll just have
>>to
>>cross-reference your own words in your replies in future...
> I have no doubt that this "imbecile" burries you when it comes to
> intelligence.
zzzzzzzz.... now your drivel is starting to bore me...
>>>>you are so completely afraid of coming to terms with your delusional
>>>>state that you edit out every trace of our pissing contest in your replies
>>>>just
>>>>so you can preserve what little dignity you helplessly grasp onto....
>
>>> LOL. Keep telling yourself that. Just like you keep telling yourself
>>> that when a woman aborts no human life is taken. It doesn't make what
>>> you are telling yourself true of course... I know it is false and deep
>>> down you do too... but it does apparently helps you maintain your
>>> tenuous grip on your sanity.
>
>>LOL... what's REEEELLY funny is that since my reference to your editing
>>habits,
>>you've changed your behaviour to maintain our "discussion" history in your
>>subsequent responses....
>
> Now what are you nattering about?
> That I've started to include all your comments in my reply?
> That is because the posts are containing more and more points of
> contention, stunned butt.
btw... when you were a kid... did you think your head was a doorstop?
>>if you wish to attribute such a belief to me, then that not only confirms the
>>extent of your delusion, but it also confirms for me, what i already assumed
>>when beginning this exchange.... that you're just another loon who's
>>overwhelmed
>>by a world that doesn't conform to his diseased sensibilities....
> Totalitarian to boot. Anyone who doesn't agree with your delusional,
> ideologial based belief must have "diseased sensibilities."
>
> You baby killer wannabees are positively scary.
this one's funny.... you call me a "baby killer" and "totalitarian"..... wutta
maroon.... fuck, but your grasping for straws is nothing short of pathetic...
>>i guess it's just too much for you to accept that someone truly believes that
>>to prohibit
>>abortion is an incredibly sadistic and short-sighted position to adopt....
>
> No... some have advocated the mass murder of Jews and Gypsies. Others
> people who wear glasses. It isn't too much for me to accept that you
> believe this. It is too much for me to accept that you don't know that
> abortion takes a human life. Also, such a position is not defensible -
> scientifically, logically or morally.
>
>>tell me.... do you, like the StunnedOne, believe adoption is a form of
>>adultery as
>>well....?
>
> Who is StunnedOne? Sundance. If he believes this - and I'm not going to
> take your word for it - then it is not a believe we share. Other
> beliefs we apparently don't share are his belief that socialists are
> evil and that homosexuality is a "moral abomination."
yes... a "moral abomination".... and God has personally selected you to be his
sargeant at arms and tasking you to make "pre-emptive attacks" in order to
cleanse the filth from this world.... and you have a direct link to his voice,
allowing you to determine morality for the rest of us "heathens"....
>>you obviously have no fucking clue what is or isn't true...
> Of course I do.
and so says every institutionalized loony wearing aluminum foil on their
heads...
totally incapable of recognizing their own insanity and dismissive of any real
world confirmation of such....
>>you only cling on dearly to fallacious beliefs you've not truly bothered to
>>investigate >because it would dismantle so much of your tepid paradigm and
>>force you to rethink the
>>entirety of your own miserable life....
> LOL. Keep telling yourself that. However, deep down you know it is all
> projection.
LOL... i doubt you even understood that last statement of mine....
klunk
> wannabe, and you don't know dick.
i know that you chose to remove every last trace of our exchange in the hopes of
appearing to gain an upper hand in this pissing contest.....
> Your thoroughly propagandized mind can't even alter its position in the
> face of science. Now that is the embodiment of stupidity.
what's funny is how you can believe "killing the unborn" can be anything other
than the embodiment of stupidity... but i suppose you swallow such empty
rhetoric as easily as you do the wafers....
klunk
bwahahahaha... idiot
klunk
>> >stoopid, i wonder how you tie your shoes...
> As humans go, I am far from stupid.
sure... and the pope is jewish....
>>i guess you don't have to anymore.... real scientists have invented velcro....
> Well actually, an inventor ... someone like me... invented velcro.
sure... and barney rubble was a rocket scientist...
>>btw... check your dictionary again chuck... 'cause you also have no clue >on
>>what "ideology" means....
> Take your ideological blinders off and you'll see that blind adherence
> to ideology is what keeps you from dealing with the science... and
> changing your position.
sure... and if you keep sniffing glue you'll have an epiphany...
> When an abortion is committed, a human life is taken - no ifs, ands or
> buts about it.
sure.... since you believe your brain originates in your butt....
klunk
> my grade school class to learn this skill.
>
> This has nothing to do with the fact that I am not intelligent however,
> but with the fact that I use knife and fork interchangeably and play
> pingpong almost as well with my left hand and right.
ok... your next challenge then, is learning to read....