Arguments made for prison abolition

[_ G O D _]

Arguments made for prison abolition
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The main argument would be the fact that prison system is in
violation of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, which
was unanimously adopted by all countries, and which is prescribing
life, liberty, equality and justice to all people without discrimination
of any sort. The Universal Declaration of Human Rights has also
abolished all forms of slavery and genocide, including torture,
repression and oppression that prisons thrive upon. Lack of proper
legal representation 80% of people accused of crimes are unable
to afford a lawyer to defend them. The Supreme Court held that a
poor person facing felony charges cannot be assured a fair trial
unless counsel is provided for him. Long Term Neglect and
underfunding of indigent defense have created a crisis of extra
ordinary proportions in many states throughout the country.
War on drugs conceals racial tension
The United States leads the world in the number of people incarcerated
in federal and state correctional facilities. There are currently more than
2 million people in American prisons or jails. Approximately one-quarter
of those people held in U.S. prisons or jails have been convicted of a drug
offense. The United States incarcerates more people for drug offenses
than any other country. With an estimated 6.8 million Americans struggling
with drug abuse or dependence, the growth of the prison population
continues to be driven largely by incarceration for drug offenses.
The so-called drug war is aimed directly at the black population.
None of this has anything to do with drugs. It has to do with
controlling and criminalizing dangerous populations. Blacks
are 12.3 percent of the U.S. population, but they comprise fully
half of the roughly 2 million Americans currently behind Bars.
On any given day, 30 percent of African-American males aged
20- 29 are "under correctional supervision. Blacks constitute
13 percent of all drug users, but 35 percent of those arrested for
drug possession, 55 percent of persons convicted, and 74 percent
of people sent to prison. Incarceration is socially and economically
crippling to the convicted and the community. Each Prisoner
represents an economic asset that has been removed from that
community and placed elsewhere. As an economic being, the
person would spend money at or near his or her area of residence -
typically, an inner city. Imprisonment displaces that economic
activity: Instead of buying snacks in a local deli, the prisoner makes
those purchases in a prison commissary. The removal may represent
a loss of economic value to the home community, but it is a boon to
the prison [host] community. Each prisoner represents as much as
$25,000 in income for the community in which the prison is located,
not to mention the value of constructing the prison facility in the first
place. This can be a massive transfer of value: a young male worth
a few thousand dollars of support to children and local purchases is
transformed into a $25,000 financial asset to a rural prison community.
The economy of the rural community is artificially amplified, the local
city economy is artificially deflated. Unfortunately, there are no
definitive national statistics on the employment status of ex-felons.
But both anecdotal evidence and fragmentary data confirm what
common sense would predict: individuals who have been incarcerated
have great difficulty securing employment when they return to society.
Except for a short period in the late 1990s, when the labor market was
so tight that the Wall Street Journal reported on employer efforts to
reach out to ex-felons, those leaving prison have faced formidable
obstacles to employment. Some of these difficulties are related to
company policies or procedures and others are the result of employer
perceptions of ex-felons' job skills or trustworthiness. Ex-felons are
also barred from public employment in a number of states, including
three with a high proportion of African American residents (Alabama,
Mississippi, and South Carolina). Occupations that are licensed by
states also have restrictions on allowing ex- felons to work in them.
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may be available on the talk page. Prisons may be less effective at
discouraging crimes and/or compensating victims than other forms
of punishment.[8]Degree and quality of access to justice depends
on the financial resources of the accused. Prisons alienate people
from their communities.In the U.S., people of color and from the lower
class are much more likely to be imprisoned than people of European
descent or people who are wealthy. People who are put in prison for
what are arguably crimes motivated by need, such as some minor
theft (food, etc.) or prostitution, find it much harder to obtain legal
employment once convicted of a crime. Arguably, this difficulty makes
it more likely they will find themselves back in the prison system, having
had few other options or resources available to support themselves
and/or their families.[citation needed] Many prison abolitionists argue
that we should "legalize survival" and provide help to those who need
it instead of making it even harder to find work and perpetuating the
non-violent crimes.Prisons are not proven to make people less violent.
In fact, there is evidence that they may instead promote violence in
individuals by surrounding them with other violent criminals, which
can lead to predictable negative/violent results. Drug-related offenders
are being ushered in and out of the prison system like a revolving
door. Rather than educate, and rehabilitate the offender to a clean path of sobriety
and increased stature, the state ignores them.Opponents of the abolition argue that
none of the above arguments addresses the protection of non-criminal population from
the effects of crime, and from particularly violent criminals.
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[Greg Carr]

Prison abolition is a brain dead stupid idea. Where else are we to put
the Conrad Black's and Mom Boucher's of the world.On May 17, 12:21 pm,
"_ G O D _" <DEMI...@SHAW.CA> wrote:
> Arguments made for prison abolitionhttp://co104w.col104.mail.live.com/default.aspx?rru=inbox&wlexpid=07F...

> the effects of crime, and from particularly violent criminals.http://co104w.col104.mail.live.com/default.aspx?rru=inbox&wlexpid=07F...
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> I intend to last long enough to put out of business all COck-suckers
> and other beneficiaries of the institutionalized slavery and genocide.

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> "The army that will defeat terrorism doesn't wear uniforms, or drive
> Humvees, or calls in air-strikes. It doesn't have a high command, or
> high security, or a high budget. The army that can defeat terrorism
> does battle quietly, clearing minefields and vaccinating children. It
> undermines military dictatorships and military lobbyists. It subverts
> sweatshops and special interests.Where people feel powerless, it
> helps them organize for change, and where people are powerful, it
> reminds them of their responsibility."   ~~~~ Author Unknown ~~~~
> ___________________________________________________
> --

Since your example is only an American one it is off -topic to
can.politics as is 95% of your rubbish.

[A Moose in Love]

I don't know. Sometimes I think for non heinous offenses such as
minor assault, petty thievery etc., corporal punishment might be the
way to go.
What do you do with the filth that raped and murdered little Tori
Stafford?

[A Moose in Love]

In article <5b821dd5-871d-48d2...@vi6g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>,

A Moose in Love <parkstre...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > Since your example is only an American one it is off -topic to
> > can.politics as is 95% of your rubbish.

only 95%? you have to understand that moosie is an anarchist, so rules mean
nothing to him.


>
> I don't know.

why is it that you continue to state the obvious?


> Sometimes I think

if only it was more than sometimes

> for non heinous offenses such as
> minor assault, petty thievery etc., corporal punishment might be the
> way to go.

if only your parents had practiced this on you

> What do you do with the filth that raped and murdered little Tori
> Stafford?

in your case, whine and moan while offering no solution that doesn't violate
your hate of violence

[Unknown]

That would be the guy who tells us he 'never crossposts and posts only on-topic to
can.politics.

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[_ G O D _]

"A Moose in Love" <A-Moose...@invalid.invalid> wrote
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> In article <5b821dd5-871d-48d2...@vi6g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>,
> A Moose in Love <parkstre...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> > Since your example is only an American one it is off -topic to
>> > can.politics as is 95% of your rubbish.
>
> only 95%? you have to understand that moosie is an anarchist, so rules mean
> nothing to him.
>

Contrary to your belief, anarchists stand for
the rule by the law, instead of rule by a king....

>>
>> I don't know.
>
> why is it that you continue to state the obvious?
>
>
>> Sometimes I think
>
> if only it was more than sometimes
>
>
>> for non heinous offenses such as
>> minor assault, petty thievery etc., corporal punishment might be the
>> way to go.
>
> if only your parents had practiced this on you
>
>> What do you do with the filth that raped and murdered little Tori
>> Stafford?
>
> in your case, whine and moan while offering no
> solution that doesn't violate your hate of violence
>

Regardless of who is the forger in the above,
they both raised a valid question in regard to
appropriate penalty against convicts in crime.

Prisons are being damaging for society, and
extremely expensive to taxpaying public, who
expect crime to be addressed more properly
and effectively, than warehousing of people in
obvious violation of inalienable Human Rights....
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> Prison abolition is a brain dead stupid idea.

You are a a brain dead stupid idea, Greg....
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[The Real Moose in Love]

In article <pjFtr.15672$3y3....@newsfe20.iad>, "_ G O D _" <DEM...@SHAW.CA>
wrote:

> Prisons are being damaging for society, and
> extremely expensive to taxpaying public, who
> expect crime to be addressed more properly
> and effectively, than warehousing of people in
> obvious violation of inalienable Human Rights....
> --

well isn't that just the finest example of not answering/addressing the issue

[C]

On May 17, 8:17 pm, Greg Carr <gregcarrso...@gmail.com> wrote:

We need to do away with prisons and allow everybody the right to carry
concealed fire arms.

That way, Greg Carr wouldn't be demanding that the government kills
all the Queers, Greg could roam our country and do it himself!

[_ G O D _]

"The Real Moose" wrote:
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> "_ G O D _" wrote:
>
>> Prisons are being damaging for society, and
>> extremely expensive to taxpaying public, who
>> expect crime to be addressed more properly

>> and effectively than warehousing of people in

>> obvious violation of inalienable Human Rights....
>> --
>
> well isn't that just the finest example of

> not answering/addressing the issue....

Apparently, you weren't paying attention, when
I posted all of the answers in my previous post.

The incarceration industry is being deliberately
perpetuated by its beneficiaries in the capacity
of the shelter for those, who have no regard for
the human rights. It's also being a stronghold of
gulag economy set by the ruling establishment,
to capitalize from ongoing exploitation of slave
labor of defenseless hostages of prison system.

Banishment of criminals offers the best solution
in addressing crime without additional expense.

At this time, prisoners cost more than $500 bln.
every year in warehousing alone to law-abiding
citizens of North America, who already suffered
enough from crimes committed by the criminals.

But the main damages caused by incarceration
industry are coming in the form of deprivation of
rights and loss of livelihoods in favor of inmates,
being exploited in the capacity of the slave labor....

[The Real Moose in Love]

In article <Jjeur.73$Pp4...@newsfe17.iad>, "_ G O D _" <DEM...@SHAW.CA> wrote:

> "The Real Moose" wrote:
> news:The-Real-Moose-in-Love...@news.solani.org...
> > "_ G O D _" wrote:
> >
> >> Prisons are being damaging for society, and
> >> extremely expensive to taxpaying public, who
> >> expect crime to be addressed more properly
> >> and effectively than warehousing of people in
> >> obvious violation of inalienable Human Rights....
> >> --
> >
> > well isn't that just the finest example of
> > not answering/addressing the issue....
>
> Apparently, you weren't paying attention, when
> I posted all of the answers in my previous post.
>
> The incarceration industry is being deliberately
> perpetuated by its beneficiaries in the capacity
> of the shelter for those, who have no regard for
> the human rights. It's also being a stronghold of
> gulag economy set by the ruling establishment,
> to capitalize from ongoing exploitation of slave
> labor of defenseless hostages of prison system.
>
> Banishment of criminals offers the best solution
> in addressing crime without additional expense.

yes, banishment so that they can never return to society. where and how do you
expect to accomplish this magical feat?

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"charles bash" <C6...@webtv.net> wrote
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>
>
>>The United States currently leads the world in
>>the number of people incarcerated in State and
>>Federal correctional facilities.There are
>>currently over 2 Million people in jails and prisons..
>
> It so Happens that there has been a DOWNTREND in Big City crime in this
> country for a Long,, Long Time!!. I know it is over Ten Years! I believe
> it is approaching nearly TWENTY YEARS! Of Decreasing Big City Crime!!
>
> { Can somebody help out on this? No luck trying to dig up the Nation
> Wide statistic on Continuing Downtrend }
>
> ~ there are times that Google is Not What it Used to Be !! ~ I mean it!
> ~ anyone agree?~


The latest statistics, which is coincidently found on Google, is
actually supporting more than 2.5 mln. per year, by year 2006....
http://www.csa.com/discoveryguides/prisons/review5.php

[_ G O D _]

"charles bash" <C6...@webtv.net> wrote
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> Regarding the Long, Long, DownTrend in Big City crime.
>
> The High Incarceration number,, over 2 Millions in US
> Jails is Directly Credited with a Jail Crackdown,,and
> the LongTerm Drop in Crime in the US!
>
> The 2 MILLION CONVICTED CRIMINALS Are not OUT
> ON The Street committing New Crimes,, for one thing! ***


......<snip>......redundant crap has been carefully removed.........

Actually, the number of criminals out on the street is
considerably bigger, which is growing exponentially.
Because 80% of inmates are being released yearly,
while the number of incarcerated people maintained....

[_ G O D _]

>> At this time, prisoners cost more than $500 bln.
>> every year in warehousing alone to law-abiding
>> citizens of North America, who already suffered
>> enough from crimes committed by the criminals.
>>
>> But the main damages caused by incarceration
>> industry are coming in the form of deprivation of
>> rights and loss of livelihoods in favor of inmates,
>> being exploited in the capacity of the slave labor....

>

> yes, banishment so that they can never return to society.

This should be determined according to the
scale of tolerance of particular crime and an
ability of offender to financial reimbursement.

All and every crime should be penalized, but
while tolerable crimes can draw banishment
within the boundaries of the states of country,
most heinous offenders ought to be expelled....

> where and how do you expect to accomplish this magical feat?

The criminal can elect a town or a country of
his own choice (from offered areas) and pay
his own fare. Otherwise, he would be hunted
by his victim, within specified by court areas,
similar to an ordinary animal-hunting season.

The hunted are not allowed to use privileges
of social support as well as police protection.

Hunter could be legally hired if it's necessary....

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Humvees, or calls in air-strikes. It doesn't have a high command, or
high security, or a high budget. The army that can defeat terrorism
does battle quietly, clearing minefields and vaccinating children. It
undermines military dictatorships and military lobbyists. It subverts
sweatshops and special interests.Where people feel powerless, it
helps them organize for change, and where people are powerful, it
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In article <m6gur.22406$TC4....@newsfe14.iad>, "_ G O D _" <DEM...@SHAW.CA>
wrote:

> > yes, banishment so that they can never return to society.
>
> This should be determined according to the
> scale of tolerance of particular crime and an
> ability of offender to financial reimbursement.
>
> All and every crime should be penalized, but
> while tolerable crimes can draw banishment
> within the boundaries of the states of country,
> most heinous offenders ought to be expelled....
>
> > where and how do you expect to accomplish this magical feat?
>
> The criminal can elect a town or a country of
> his own choice (from offered areas) and pay
> his own fare.

I see, so the burglar could elect to live in Beverly Hills or next to his last
victim. Good idea. But please define "tolerable crimes"

> Otherwise, he would be hunted
> by his victim, within specified by court areas,
> similar to an ordinary animal-hunting season.
>
> The hunted are not allowed to use privileges
> of social support as well as police protection.
>
> Hunter could be legally hired if it's necessary....

the only thing wrong with this is that by adding either a raffle to select a
hunter or actually having an auction where you could raise inordinate amounts of
money to be used for the public good.

of course all you are really doing is promoting the same system by legitimizing
a small group of "Ubers" to determine who gets hunted. Or you don't address what
happens to the hunted who while escaping his hunters knows he cannot be further
punished so he goes on a rape/murder spree?

[_ G O D _]

"The Real Moose" wrote
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> "_ G O D _" wrote:
>
>>
>> The criminal can elect a town or a country of
>> his own choice (from offered areas) and pay
>> his own fare.
>
> I see, so the burglar could elect to live in Beverly Hills or next to
> his last victim. Good idea. But please define "tolerable crimes"
>

I doubt very much that the robber's victims will
follow him to some Bumble Fuck Beverly Hills
somewhere in the middle of Sahara Desert, if
that would be one of places affordable for him.

But, with a proper regulation of the movement
of people, the criminal is safe from being shot
in the capacity of the game by the hired hunter.

Provision of travel document and cooperation
in criminals' speedy departure from a place of
banishment is an important part of this penalty....

[The Real Moose in Love]

In article <iWwur.21568$XG.2...@newsfe09.iad>, "_ G O D _" <DEM...@SHAW.CA>
wrote:

> > I see, so the burglar could elect to live in Beverly Hills or next to
> > his last victim. Good idea. But please define "tolerable crimes"
> >
>
> I doubt very much that the robber's victims will
> follow him to some Bumble Fuck Beverly Hills
> somewhere in the middle of Sahara Desert,

but that isn't what you originally said

> if
> that would be one of places affordable for him.
>
> But, with a proper regulation of the movement
> of people, the criminal is safe from being shot
> in the capacity of the game by the hired hunter.

ah, so in order to prevent cruel prisons, we regulate the movement of the
innocent?

>
> Provision of travel document and cooperation
> in criminals' speedy departure from a place of
> banishment is an important part of this penalty....

interesting thought. I like the idea that you would create another criminal
enterprise to "relocate" these poor non-serious criminals from their onerous
non-incarceration and also provide them with new ID's so they can start over
with a new population of targets



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[_ G O D _]

"The Real Moose" wrote
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> "_ G O D _" wrote:
> <iWwur.21568$XG.2...@newsfe09.iad>,

>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Provision of travel document and cooperation
>> in criminals' speedy departure from a place of
>> banishment is an important part of this penalty....
>
> interesting thought. I like the idea that you would create another
> criminal enterprise to "relocate" these poor non-serious criminals
> from their onerous non-incarceration and also provide them with

> new ID's so they can start over with a new population of targets....

May be to you, your crime isn't so serious,
but to your victims it's as serious as death.

However, being convicted shouldn't mean
losing your rights (as it's prescribed in the
US' Constitution) and freedom of traveling
is one of the most important human rights,
which may not be taken arbitrarily from the
people, who could be wrongfully convicted....
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[The Real Moose in Love]

In article <waFur.37420$On2....@newsfe16.iad>, "_ G O D _" <DEM...@SHAW.CA>
wrote:

> >> Provision of travel document and cooperation
> >> in criminals' speedy departure from a place of
> >> banishment is an important part of this penalty....
> >
> > interesting thought. I like the idea that you would create another
> > criminal enterprise to "relocate" these poor non-serious criminals
> > from their onerous non-incarceration and also provide them with
> > new ID's so they can start over with a new population of targets....
>
> May be to you, your crime isn't so serious,
> but to your victims it's as serious as death.

not under your system

>
> However, being convicted shouldn't mean
> losing your rights (as it's prescribed in the
> US' Constitution) and freedom of traveling
> is one of the most important human rights,
> which may not be taken arbitrarily from the
> people, who could be wrongfully convicted....

We are all concerned about the wrongfully convicted, but I love that your
concern for them would allow the rightfully convicted the freedom of traveling.
It's such a good solution, I can't imagine why it hasn't been implemented in the
thousands of years there have been justice systems

[_ G O D _]

"The Real Moose" wrote
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>
>
>

> We are all concerned about the wrongfully convicted

Not true. The completely corrupt and criminal
judicial system is not concerned whether they
were convicted wrongfully of rightfully, as long
as there's enough of them being railroaded to
the predatory and insatiable prison system, in
order to be exploited in the capacity of slaves
of gulag economy designed by tyrannical ruler

> I love that your concern for them would allow the rightfully
> convicted the freedom of traveling. It's such a good solution

This solution came with the universal adoption
of the human rights nearly 64 years ago, which
made the US constitution outdated, redundant
and obsolete on the basis of conflicting points,
because it prescribes slavery under pretext of
conviction of crime in the court of law whereas
Human Rights prohibit all forms of slavery and
genocide that can only be achieved by prisons....

> I can't imagine why it hasn't been implemented in the
> thousands of years there have been justice systems

I'm surprised it wasn't implemented in the last
64 years, right after the adoption of the UDHR.

Apparently, the ruling establishments resent to
share the ruling power they usurped years ago.
They deliberately don't disseminate the UDHR
despite the fact that they're responsible for this
even after they couldn't keep it secret anymore....
--
_____________________________________________________
http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/index.shtml

I intend to last long enough to put out of business all COck-suckers

and other beneficiaries of the institutionalized slavery and genocide.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"The army that will defeat terrorism doesn't wear uniforms, or drive

Humvees, or calls in air-strikes. It doesn't have a high command, or

[The Real Moose in Love]

In article <QFUur.28442$6Y6....@newsfe19.iad>, "_ G O D _" <DEM...@SHAW.CA>
wrote:

> "The Real Moose" wrote
> news:The-Real-Moose-in-Love...@news.solani.org...
> >
> >
> >
> > We are all concerned about the wrongfully convicted
>
> Not true. The completely corrupt and criminal
> judicial system is not concerned whether they
> were convicted wrongfully of rightfully, as long
> as there's enough of them being railroaded to
> the predatory and insatiable prison system, in
> order to be exploited in the capacity of slaves
> of gulag economy designed by tyrannical ruler

none of which applies to the US

>
> > I love that your concern for them would allow the rightfully
> > convicted the freedom of traveling. It's such a good solution
>
> This solution came with the universal adoption
> of the human rights nearly 64 years ago, which
> made the US constitution outdated, redundant
> and obsolete on the basis of conflicting points,
> because it prescribes slavery under pretext of
> conviction of crime in the court of law whereas
> Human Rights prohibit all forms of slavery and
> genocide that can only be achieved by prisons....

So it over-rides the 13th amendment? That certainly sounds like it enslaves me

>
> > I can't imagine why it hasn't been implemented in the
> > thousands of years there have been justice systems
>
> I'm surprised it wasn't implemented in the last
> 64 years, right after the adoption of the UDHR.
>
> Apparently, the ruling establishments resent to
> share the ruling power they usurped years ago.
> They deliberately don't disseminate the UDHR
> despite the fact that they're responsible for this
> even after they couldn't keep it secret anymore....

amazing that it's such a secret yet you know all about it. as with the moose
(the fake one who pretends he is an anarchist) I ask you what you are actually
doing to change this (as opposed to your "virtual" methodology)

seems like nothing


having said that, your theory means allowing criminals the same freedom as the
honest folk. it also means that when the honest folk defend themselves from the
criminals, they become criminals who will be banished.

Just love your system. it achieves anarchy under the guise of freedom

[_ G O D _]

"The Real Moose" wrote
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>

> "_ G O D _" wrote:
>
>> "The Real Moose" wrote
>> news:The-Real-Moose-in-Love...@news.solani.org...
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > We are all concerned about the wrongfully convicted
>>
>> Not true. The completely corrupt and criminal
>> judicial system is not concerned whether they
>> were convicted wrongfully of rightfully, as long
>> as there's enough of them being railroaded to
>> the predatory and insatiable prison system, in
>> order to be exploited in the capacity of slaves
>> of gulag economy designed by tyrannical ruler
>
> none of which applies to the US
>

Are you being in total denial mode?

Because all prisons are being the
instruments of slavery, oppression
and genocide, and are serving the
same purpose for beneficiaries of
gulag economy: capitalization from
unfair exploitation of slave labor of
defenseless victims of completely
corrupt and criminal justice system
as well as for perverse satisfaction
for sadistic employees, who enjoy
seeing pain and agony in the eyes
of the hostages with complete and
utter impunity, and being paid for it....

[_ G O D _]

"The Real Moose" wrote
news:The-Real-Moose-in-Love...@news.solani.org...
>

> "_ G O D _" wrote:
>
>> "The Real Moose" wrote
>> news:The-Real-Moose-in-Love...@news.solani.org...
>> >
>> >
>> >

>> >

>> > I love that your concern for them would allow the rightfully
>> > convicted the freedom of traveling. It's such a good solution
>>
>> This solution came with the universal adoption
>> of the human rights nearly 64 years ago, which
>> made the US constitution outdated, redundant
>> and obsolete on the basis of conflicting points,
>> because it prescribes slavery under pretext of
>> conviction of crime in the court of law whereas
>> Human Rights prohibit all forms of slavery and
>> genocide that can only be achieved by prisons....
>
> So it over-rides the 13th amendment?
> That certainly sounds like it enslaves me

Maybe, it have not enslaved you (yet), but it
enslaved millions of your fellow-countrymen....

[_ G O D _]

"The Real Moose" wrote
news:The-Real-Moose-in-Love...@news.solani.org...
>

> "_ G O D _" wrote:
>
>>
>> Apparently, the ruling establishments resent to
>> share the ruling power they usurped years ago.
>> They deliberately don't disseminate the UDHR
>> despite the fact that they're responsible for this
>> even after they couldn't keep it secret anymore....
>
>
> amazing that it's such a secret yet you know all about it.

Since the age of the internet, it cannot be
kept a secret for anyone using a browser.
But it doesn't mean that everybody knows
about it, if they haven't studied it at school.

So, my quest is to demand its inclusion in
a program of every school as compulsory,
so that everybody will be learning the rules
of society they live in until the day they die,
without excuses of any kind, including age.

The UN should be reminded to return to its
obligations and to do what it suppose to in
regard to dissemination of people's rights.

It should direct resources towards learning
the Human Rights by everyone on a global
basis instead of defending its reputation of
most corrupt organization in the world thats
misusing the resources by taking the sides
of conflicting parties and abusing the funds....

> having said that, your theory means allowing criminals the same freedom as the
> honest folk. it also means that when the honest folk defend themselves from the
> criminals, they become criminals who will be banished.

Apparently, you haven't read the UDHR,
which prescribes not only equality for all,
but also the rights without discrimination
of any sort, including conviction of crime....

>
> Just love your system. it achieves anarchy under the guise of freedom

It seems like you haven't learned the true
definition of the word anarchy, to say this....

[The Real Moose in Love]

In article <rzZur.9979$eu4....@newsfe04.iad>, "_ G O D _" <DEM...@SHAW.CA>
wrote:

> "The Real Moose" wrote
> news:The-Real-Moose-in-Love...@news.solani.org...
> >
> > "_ G O D _" wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Apparently, the ruling establishments resent to share the ruling power
> >> they usurped years ago. They deliberately don't disseminate the UDHR
> >> despite the fact that they're responsible for this even after they
> >> couldn't keep it secret anymore....
> >
> >
> > amazing that it's such a secret yet you know all about it.
>
> Since the age of the internet, it cannot be kept a secret for anyone using a
> browser. But it doesn't mean that everybody knows about it, if they haven't
> studied it at school.
>
> So, my quest is to demand its inclusion in a program of every school as
> compulsory, so that everybody will be learning the rules of society they live
> in until the day they die, without excuses of any kind, including age.

So besides wasting electrons and electricity, just what actual, real, physical
thing are you doing to make this happen?

>
> The UN should be reminded to return to its obligations and to do what it
> suppose to in regard to dissemination of people's rights.
>
> It should direct resources towards learning the Human Rights by everyone on a
> global basis instead of defending its reputation of most corrupt organization
> in the world thats misusing the resources by taking the sides of conflicting
> parties and abusing the funds....
>
> > having said that, your theory means allowing criminals the same freedom as
> > the honest folk. it also means that when the honest folk defend themselves
> > from the criminals, they become criminals who will be banished.
>
> Apparently, you haven't read the UDHR, which prescribes not only equality for
> all, but also the rights without discrimination of any sort, including
> conviction of crime....
>
> >
> > Just love your system. it achieves anarchy under the guise of freedom
>
> It seems like you haven't learned the true definition of the word anarchy, to
> say this....

while you haven't learned the true definition of human rights

[The Real Moose in Love]

In article <YBYur.21762$XG....@newsfe09.iad>, "_ G O D _" <DEM...@SHAW.CA>

wrote:

> "The Real Moose" wrote
> news:The-Real-Moose-in-Love...@news.solani.org...
> >
> > "_ G O D _" wrote:
> >
> >> "The Real Moose" wrote
> >> news:The-Real-Moose-in-Love...@news.solani.org...
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
>
> >> >
> >> > I love that your concern for them would allow the rightfully
> >> > convicted the freedom of traveling. It's such a good solution
> >>
> >> This solution came with the universal adoption
> >> of the human rights nearly 64 years ago, which
> >> made the US constitution outdated, redundant
> >> and obsolete on the basis of conflicting points,
> >> because it prescribes slavery under pretext of
> >> conviction of crime in the court of law whereas
> >> Human Rights prohibit all forms of slavery and
> >> genocide that can only be achieved by prisons....
> >
> > So it over-rides the 13th amendment?
> > That certainly sounds like it enslaves me
>
> Maybe, it have not enslaved you (yet), but it
> enslaved millions of your fellow-countrymen....

name just two

[The Real Moose in Love]

In article <f1Yur.11167$rd5...@newsfe02.iad>, "_ G O D _" <DEM...@SHAW.CA>

wrote:

> "The Real Moose" wrote
> news:The-Real-Moose-in-Love...@news.solani.org...
> >
> > "_ G O D _" wrote:
> >
> >> "The Real Moose" wrote
> >> news:The-Real-Moose-in-Love...@news.solani.org...
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > We are all concerned about the wrongfully convicted
> >>
> >> Not true. The completely corrupt and criminal
> >> judicial system is not concerned whether they
> >> were convicted wrongfully of rightfully, as long
> >> as there's enough of them being railroaded to
> >> the predatory and insatiable prison system, in
> >> order to be exploited in the capacity of slaves
> >> of gulag economy designed by tyrannical ruler
> >
> > none of which applies to the US
> >
>
> Are you being in total denial mode?
>
> Because all prisons are being the
> instruments of slavery, oppression
> and genocide,

I see. So prisoners as a class are now a race?

> and are serving the
> same purpose for beneficiaries of
> gulag economy: capitalization from
> unfair exploitation of slave labor of
> defenseless victims of completely
> corrupt and criminal justice system
> as well as for perverse satisfaction
> for sadistic employees, who enjoy
> seeing pain and agony in the eyes
> of the hostages with complete and
> utter impunity, and being paid for it....

yet you use a computer made by these fiends, drive a car, wear clothes, eat
food, sleep in a house/apt made by them

[_ G O D _]

"The Real Moose" wrote
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>
>

> you haven't learned the true definition of human rights
>

I know the definition of the Human Rights.
You may learn it from the link in signature....

[The Real Moose in Love]

In article <dZ7vr.2604$9Q6....@newsfe18.iad>, "_ G O D _" <DEM...@SHAW.CA>
wrote:

> "The Real Moose" wrote
> news:The-Real-Moose-in-Love...@news.solani.org...
> >
> >
> > you haven't learned the true definition of human rights
> >
>
>
> I know the definition of the Human Rights.
> You may learn it from the link in signature....

failure to answer questions noted

[_ G O D _]

I will start with more than two and half ..... MILLIONS
of americunts being currently imprisoned in US jails

[_ G O D _]

"The Real Moose" wrote
news:The-Real-Moose-in-Love...@news.solani.org...
>
> "_ G O D _" wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Since the age of the internet, it cannot be
>> kept a secret for anyone using a browser.
>> But it doesn't mean that everybody knows
>> about it, if they haven't studied it at school.
>>
>> So, my quest is to demand its inclusion in
>> a program of every school as compulsory,
>> so that everybody will be learning the rules
>> of society they live in until the day they die,
>> without excuses of any kind, including age.
>
> So besides wasting electrons and electricity, just what actual,
> real, physical thing are you doing to make this happen?

I'm not going out in the street and shooting every
pig I see - to celebrate it - if that's what you mean....

[The Real Moose in Love]

In article <e3bvr.12656$iQ....@newsfe23.iad>, "_ G O D _" <DEM...@SHAW.CA>
wrote:

> "The Real Moose" wrote
> news:The-Real-Moose-in-Love...@news.solani.org...
> >
> > "_ G O D _" wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Since the age of the internet, it cannot be
> >> kept a secret for anyone using a browser.
> >> But it doesn't mean that everybody knows
> >> about it, if they haven't studied it at school.
> >>
> >> So, my quest is to demand its inclusion in
> >> a program of every school as compulsory,
> >> so that everybody will be learning the rules
> >> of society they live in until the day they die,
> >> without excuses of any kind, including age.
> >
> > So besides wasting electrons and electricity, just what actual,
> > real, physical thing are you doing to make this happen?
>
> I'm not going out in the street and shooting every
> pig I see - to celebrate it - if that's what you mean....

no courage of your convictions, but indeed, that is not what I meant. So I
repeat the question: other than bitching and moaning about what isn't, what are
you actually, in person, doing to make these changes happen?

[The Real Moose in Love]

In article <2Xavr.2607$9Q6...@newsfe18.iad>, "_ G O D _" <DEM...@SHAW.CA>
wrote:

> >> Maybe, it have not enslaved you (yet), but it
> >> enslaved millions of your fellow-countrymen....
> >
> > name just two
>
> I will start with more than two and half ..... MILLIONS
> of americunts being currently imprisoned in US jails
> --

Name just two who have been enslaved. Just two

[_ G O D _]

"The Real Moose" wrote in

Implementing it in the School District of my
local Municipality is a testament to my work....

[_ G O D _]

"The Real Moose" wrote
news:The-Real-Moose-in-Love...@news.solani.org...
>

> "_ G O D _" wrote:
>
>> "The Real Moose" wrote
>> news:The-Real-Moose-in-Love...@news.solani.org...
>> >
>> >
>> > you haven't learned the true definition of human rights
>> >
>>
>>
>> I know the definition of the Human Rights.
>> You may learn it from the link in signature....
>
> failure to answer questions noted

There was no questions asked. But if you
failed to see the answer to what you have
implied, then it's your own, individual fault....

[_ G O D _]

"The Real Moose in Love" wrote
news:The-Real-Moose-in-Love...@news.solani.org...

>
> "_ G O D _" wrote:
>
>> >> Maybe, it have not enslaved you (yet), but it
>> >> enslaved millions of your fellow-countrymen....
>> >
>> > name just two
>>
>> I will start with more than two and half ..... MILLIONS
>> of americunts being currently imprisoned in US jails
>> --
>
> Name just two who have been enslaved. Just two

If it's just names you want, then I'd suggest
you use a search engines for that. I assure
you that you won't have any problem with it....

[_ G O D _]

"The Real Moose" wrote
news:The-Real-Moose-in-Love...@news.solani.org...
>
> "_ G O D _" wrote:
>
>> "The Real Moose" wrote
>> news:The-Real-Moose-in-Love...@news.solani.org...
>> >
>> > "_ G O D _" wrote:
>> >
>> >> "The Real Moose" wrote
>> >> news:The-Real-Moose-in-Love...@news.solani.org...
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > We are all concerned about the wrongfully convicted
>> >>
>> >> Not true. The completely corrupt and criminal
>> >> judicial system is not concerned whether they
>> >> were convicted wrongfully of rightfully, as long
>> >> as there's enough of them being railroaded to
>> >> the predatory and insatiable prison system, in
>> >> order to be exploited in the capacity of slaves
>> >> of gulag economy designed by tyrannical ruler
>> >
>> > none of which applies to the US
>> >
>>
>> Are you being in total denial mode?
>>
>> Because all prisons are being the
>> instruments of slavery, oppression
>> and genocide,
>
> I see. So prisoners as a class are now a race?

That, - too - considering they are usually
representing the visible minorities, such
as 'blacks' - among prison population in
US or non-conforming in other countries.

Genocide, though, relates to all humans
being exterminated for particular cause,
and are vulnerable to any mass murders
in the capacity of the course of the rulers.

Anyone can be made to fit 'correct' label....

>> and are serving the
>> same purpose for beneficiaries of
>> gulag economy: capitalization from
>> unfair exploitation of slave labor of
>> defenseless victims of completely
>> corrupt and criminal justice system
>> as well as for perverse satisfaction
>> for sadistic employees, who enjoy
>> seeing pain and agony in the eyes
>> of the hostages with complete and
>> utter impunity, and being paid for it....
>
> yet you use a computer made by these fiends, drive a car,
> wear clothes, eat food, sleep in a house/apt made by them

Since the oppressors don't produce shit
you may elaborate on what you just said....

[_ G O D _]

"The Real Moose" wrote
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>

.....<snip>.....illegible babbling crap has been carefully removed.........
>
> what are you actually doing to change the world to be a better
> place. none of this "virtual" crap, name something that you have
> done or are doing that involves a physical act of your self
>

What exactly are you implying I should be
doing in order for the world to be a better
place, - must I make a Mousse out of you?

Are you saying that I haven't done enough
just by unveiling this truth, and by bitching?

--
---
http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/index.shtml
____________________________________________________

I intend to last long enough to put out of business all COck-suckers

along with all institutions of the industrialized slavery and genocide.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

"The army that will defeat terrorism doesn't wear uniforms, or drive

Humvies, or calls in air-strikes. It doesn't have a high command, or

[_ G O D _]

"The Real Moose " wrote

news:The-Real-Moose-in-Love...@news.solani.org...
>
> "_ G O D _" wrote:
>
>> "The Real Moose in Love" wrote
>> news:The-Real-Moose-in-Love...@news.solani.org...
>> >
>> > "_ G O D _" wrote:
>> >
>> >> >> Maybe, it have not enslaved you (yet), but it
>> >> >> enslaved millions of your fellow-countrymen....
>> >> >
>> >> > name just two
>> >>
>> >> I will start with more than two and half ..... MILLIONS
>> >> of americunts being currently imprisoned in US jails
>> >> --
>> >
>> > Name just two who have been enslaved. Just two
>>
>> If it's just names you want, then I'd suggest
>> you use a search engines for that. I assure
>> you that you won't have any problem with it....
>> --
>

> why would I do your research? it's your claim, provide the proof

Because it's not my MO, to post other individuals'
names without their request for it, on public forum?

But if you don't insist it has to be someone I know,
here's what I found just by looking up for "innocent
individuals being executed by US prison system"....

This month, speakers will urge thousands of men and women graduating from law school
to do "justice." As recent graduates, we heard such speeches ourselves. Our biggest
lesson in justice, however, came not in the classroom but through an extra-curricular
project in which we reexamined the obscure 1989 execution of an intellectually
disabled man in Texas.

Actually, what we discovered about Carlos DeLuna was a lesson not in justice but in
injustice. It is the story of how, despite a justice system Americans believe is the
best in the world, an innocent man can still be put to death here.

In 1983, DeLuna was arrested and charged with knifing a woman named Wanda Lopez to
death at a gas station where she worked in Corpus Christi, Tex. Only 40 minutes after
the brutal crime, police found DeLuna hiding under a pickup truck not far from the
scene. They rushed him to the gas station in handcuffs, where the lone witness
identified him as the perpetrator.

He was convicted after a four-day trial. Six years later, he was put to death by
lethal injection, proclaiming his innocence until the end.

But stubborn questions swirled around the case. In 2004, Columbia professor James
Liebman began collecting evidence - and enlisted students to join him in the effort.

We combed through thousands of pages of police and court records and hundreds of
hours of interview notes and recordings. We magnified police photos and parsed newly
discovered police audiotapes and new forensic analyses.

And what we discovered leaves us with no doubt that, as DeLuna insisted all along,
another Carlos - Hernandez - committed the crime. As we recently laid out in a
400-page article in the Columbia Human Rights Law Review, it is now clear that Texas
executed an innocent man.

At the time, the Lopez murder case seemed so open and shut that the detective
examining the bloody crime scene ended her forensic examination in less than two
hours. At trial, the prosecution portrayed the case the same way - a quickly solved
case of robbery gone bad.

But all along, DeLuna said he had seen Carlos Hernandez wrestling with Lopez inside
the gas station and ran when he heard sirens. DeLuna had only recently been paroled,
and didn't want anything to do with the police.

At trial, the prosecution ridiculed DeLuna's testimony, calling Hernandez a
"phantom." The jury agreed.

But as we pored over the evidence, we found many things missing from the prosecution's
story.

Hernandez was no phantom but a violent felon, well known to the police and the
community. He had a history of armed robberies of gas stations, violence against
women and attacks using a lock-blade buck knife like the one that punctured Lopez's
lung. The lead detective and the senior prosecutor in DeLuna's case, in fact, knew
Hernandez personally - as a prime suspect in the murder of another woman, who was
found lying face down with an X carved in her back

http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/texas-killed-wrong-carlos-article-1.1082770#ixzz1vjRG0wcD

Within days of the Lopez murder, Hernandez bragged to family and neighbors that he
"put the knife" on Lopez and let his "stupid Tocayo " (namesake) Carlos DeLuna take
the blame. Police heard the same thing and even picked up Hernandez and examined his
rap sheet - before telling the jury at DeLuna's trial that they couldn't find the
man.

Other details about the shoddy investigation shocked us. The witness told police the
man fleeing the station after Lopez's murder looked like a transient, wore a
disheveled sweatshirt and had a mustache. Police records show that the clean-shaven
DeLuna wore a white dress shirt and dress pants that night.

According to the witness, the attacker violently wrestled with Lopez as she bled to
death, casting a mist of blood spatter, streaks and pools all over the tiny clerk's
area. But forensic analysis showed that DeLuna's body, clothes, shoes and fingernails
had no blood on them.

The Corpus Christi D.A.'s office has since lost the physical evidence from the
investigation. Lost along with it was the potential for the kind of DNA analysis that
has exonerated nearly 300 prisoners in recent years.

All of this happened not in the 1920s or even the '50s, but in the '80s. And the
flaws in our system that led to DeLuna's death have not been mended. Readers can
review our work and decide for themselves what happened. But we are convinced:
America must come to grips with the reality of wrongful execution - and decide
whether we value the death penalty enough to justify this most terrible of human
costs

[_ G O D _]

"The Real Moose" wrote
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>
>

> implementing what? how did YOU accomplish this?

PAC wrote a letter to School District requesting to
educate our children to respect each other despite
their differences since they were obvious in school.
Ever since then they were studying human tights in
every class, starting in Kindergarten to Highschool.

In Canada the, Human Rights is also a Constitution
of the country. So, since its adoption, every prison
was closed (at least in Vancouver, there were four),
and in their places were erected residential houses.
At the time they were under 100K and now over 1M....

[_ G O D _]

"plainolamerican" <plainol...@gmail.com> wrote
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> "_ G O D _" wrote:

>> Arguments made for prison abolition
>> http://co104w.col104.mail.live.com/default.aspx?rru=inbox&wlexpid=07F...
>> The main argument would be the fact that prison system is
>> in violation of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights....

......<snip>....redundant/irrelevant crap has been carefully removed......

>
> the Universal Declaration of Human Rights is a farce w/o authority

The UDHR, being the most important document
in the world has clearly more authority than all of
the other documents in relation to the civil rights.

Just because it is being deliberately violated by
the corrupt ruling establishments in perpetuation
of their usurped power of influence and ongoing
inequality (with purpose of feeding their geed) it
doesn't mean that the coercion equals 'authority'....

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"The Real Moose" wrote
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>

> Yes, innocent people get jailed, guilty
> people don't get convicted. Undoubtedly
> innocent people have been executed but
> while this is sad and regrettable, it has
> absolutely nothing to do with millions being
> enslaved.

At last, you said a little more than just a one-line
dribble, where your words have a little meaning.

Now all you need is to apply logic to your "facts."

Your previous statements - where you asserted
that the "judicial system punishes only the guilty"
and "addresses crime" are clearly contradicting
to this statement. - Is it an indication of progress?

Many millions of innocent, law-abiding and timid
individuals as well as 'rightfully convicted' in jails,
don't want your apologies and regrets for slavery
and genocide that should not have been inflicted
on them in the first place. And yes, prisons have
everything to do with slavery and genocide in the
capacity of the tools and instruments in hands of
the very people who used them before they were
outlawed by UDHR. Only the elimination of those
tools of slavery and instruments of genocide can
help to abolish both, - on institutionalized and on
industrialized basis. Because, it's the presence,
as well as availability of those tools to individuals
who care less about the law, which enables them
to perpetuate the infliction of atrocities on people....

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"The Real Moose" wrote
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>

.......<snip>...redundant crap has been carefully removed......

>
> Who/what is PAC? What was your part in writing the letter?

PAC is a Parent Advisory Committee. - I'm a parent
signee to the letter, addressed to the School District.
But while the fact that the HR is being taught to kids -
says lots, their gained respect each other - priceless!

> If Vancouver has no prisons, it's only because they've
> shipped the prisoners to other institutions

You missing the point. If there were 20 in BC and 4 in
Vancouver, but now only 6 in BC, and 0 in Vancouver,
it means that the shrinkage is significant, considering
the fact that the dencity of Vancouver's population has
increased 20 times since the removal of their prisons.

It indicates an achievement by using a NIMBY formula.
But while putting the money where the mouth is - worth
a lot, saving billions at the same time - quite priceless!

Because, if criminals are being shipped to the jungles,
where there are no prisons, in the first pace - then they
are not in prisons, and no one can use them as slaves.
Neither they can be executed (under cover of authority)
regardless of degree of their actual guilt, or innocence....

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I intend to last long enough to put out of business all COck-suckers

along with all institutions of the industrialized slavery and genocide.

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"The army that will defeat terrorism doesn't wear uniforms, or drive

Humvies, or calls in air-strikes. It doesn't have a high command, or

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"The Real Moose" wrote
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>
>

> You still haven't produced this letter,

Since I haven't promised you to produce any
letter, especially the one that was not for you,
and which was already sent to its addressee,
please do not ask for it lest expect it from me.

>
> But they can escape and return to terrorize the population once again.

If you are really a realist, then you already know
that it's not so easy to penetrate into any county
that has some border control - without a proper
documentation lest unnoticed, or unchecked, at
the border before entering into country, such as
US, for example. Because, no other country of
the world comes close to this filtering at border
lest can match such scrutiny. But then again, no
one would want to be a fugitive in any country in
the world, especially where a price was posted
on your head, and you will be facing not only an
expensive expulsion from the country where you
are being openly hunted, but forfeit your chance
of choosing the destination of your favorite exile....

> shipping prisoners to the jungles would be cruel and unusual

Shipping is no more 'cruel and unusual' than an
incarceration, or infliction of the physical torture.

However, I'm not in favor of the shipping, myself,
and prefer a 'departure' to a country of convict's
own choice and with proper documentation, like
the rest of us 'tonto turistas' buying our own fare.

This way, the government will not need to spend
even a single penny to have much more effective
addressing of crime than current revolving doors
system that cost taxpayers $500 billion per year,
and without violation of people's inalienable and
sacred Human Rights to life, liberty, equality and
justice - which is the case with the prison system.

Convicts will not even have to be separated from
their loved ones, family and friends, even for one
minute. Because they can join with them later, or
go together, if they are depending on each-other.
Nothing else is even comparable to the cruelty of
separation with friend and loved ones, as well as
tearing families apart, which can be only inflicted
by the implementation of an incarceration system....
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I intend to last long enough to put out of business all COck-suckers

and other beneficiaries of the institutionalized slavery and genocide.

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"The army that will defeat terrorism doesn't wear uniforms, or drive

Humvees, or calls in air-strikes. It doesn't have a high command, or

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"The Real Moose" wrote
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>

> "_ G O D _" wrote:
>

>> "The Real Moose" wrote
>> news:The-Real-Moose-in-Love...@news.solani.org...
>> >
>> >
>> > You still haven't produced this letter,
>>
>> Since I haven't promised you to produce any
>> letter, especially the one that was not for you,
>> and which was already sent to its addressee,
>> please do not ask for it lest expect it from me.
>

> I never did. You seem to have an aversion to providing proof

Do I also need to provide a proof of
relieving myself after I go to a toilet?

>> > But they can escape and return to terrorize the population once again.
>>
>> If you are really a realist, then you already know
>> that it's not so easy to penetrate into any county
>> that has some border control - without a proper
>> documentation lest unnoticed, or unchecked, at
>> the border before entering into country, such as
>> US, for example. Because, no other country of
>> the world comes close to this filtering at border
>> lest can match such scrutiny.
>
>

> Thank you for admitting you are not a realist. Your ability to ignore the
> ongoing political debate about illegals entering the US is staggering. Your
> ability to ignore what is happening in every war torn country where inhabitants
> have no trouble crossing borders is likewise staggering.

The debate is about "denying" proper
documents to the people requesting it.
Cooperation in such request is a must....

>> But then again, no
>> one would want to be a fugitive in any country in
>> the world, especially where a price was posted
>> on your head, and you will be facing not only an
>> expensive expulsion from the country where you
>> are being openly hunted,
>

> What expense would this fugitive incur?

Whatever it'll cost to detect, apprehend
and identify, as well as to transport one
to his destination - away from the place
of conviction of crime (and banishment)....

>> but forfeit your chance
>> of choosing the destination of your favorite exile....
>

> Assuming of course that any country in the world would openly welcome such a
> fugitive. LOL, you really are a dreamer
>
You don't really need a permission from
the country, while using your inalienable
right to travel and acquire any nationality.

You can also seek refuge, if persecuted,
and to appeal the violation of your rights,
that ended in conviction and banishment,
in other countries - to avoid the prejudice.

I'd suggest you reading the human rights....

>>
>> > shipping prisoners to the jungles would be cruel and unusual
>>
>> Shipping is no more 'cruel and unusual' than an
>> incarceration, or infliction of the physical torture.
>

> but dropping a convict into the wild without proper medical supervision is.

You do not think that medical provisions
should be included in the Human Rights,
regardless of the country you're staying?
We all live on the same planet, don't we?

>> However, I'm not in favor of the shipping, myself,
>> and prefer a 'departure' to a country of convict's
>> own choice and with proper documentation, like
>> the rest of us 'tonto turistas' buying our own fare.
>

> Exactly what is the difference between "shipping" and "departure"?

>
>>
>> This way, the government will not need to spend
>> even a single penny to have much more effective
>> addressing of crime than current revolving doors
>> system that cost taxpayers $500 billion per year,
>> and without violation of people's inalienable and
>> sacred Human Rights to life, liberty, equality and
>> justice - which is the case with the prison system.
>

> Of course, because no country, if stupid enough to allow the import of a
> criminal would ever have to spend even a single penny to enforce this ludicrous
> scam, nor would they have to add additional enforcement agents to deal with the
> crimes that these criminals would cause.

Well, let's just say that not a penny must
be spent toward disservice of people in
their honest pursuit of happiness without
breaking any law, or committing a crime.
I didn't exclude the law enforcement that
still have its budget and the same duties,
which will be sufficient to maintain order...

>> Convicts will not even have to be separated from
>> their loved ones, family and friends, even for one
>> minute. Because they can join with them later, or
>> go together, if they are depending on each-other.
>> Nothing else is even comparable to the cruelty of
>> separation with friend and loved ones, as well as
>> tearing families apart, which can be only inflicted
>> by the implementation of an incarceration system....
>
>

> yes, of course, export the criminal and prevent him from earning a legal income,
> add his family so that he can't support them and guess what they end up doing?
>

While I'm not only encouraging people to
earn their income legally, - I inspire them
to enjoy dignity by working for fair wages.
Where did you see me preventing them?

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"The Real Moose" wrote
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>
>

> banishment must de facto mean removal from society. If one is
> removed from society, how are they going to earn ANY income?

Banishment means a restriction for a convict
to reside in specific locations - usually where
he committed his crime - and banished from.
He still has the same rights as everyone else,
but at the different location. You're confused.

Let say, you have committed a petty crime of
theft and expelled from that particular school,
where you stole a jacket from another student.
You are being banished on principle's orders.
But after being accepted at a different school,
you can continue your education at new place
as if there's no problem or nothing happened.