Is Democrat Kerry Unfit To Command ?
Nada
that question in the affirmative.
The following article on this book appears on the NewsMax website:
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/8/4/134116.shtml
Sid9, Liberal
The following is information about the disreputable authors of this Bush,Jr
sponsered smear:
John E. O'Neill
The Kos expended great effort to discover who O'Neill is and writes on April
22, 2004, that "We also found out that he's a partner at the Houston firm of
Clements, O'Neill, Pierce, Wilson and Fulkerson. One of his co-partners is
Margaret A. Wilson, who was George Bush's general counsel 1998-2000.
"Well, there's more about good ol' Margaret," the Kos continues. "She was a
lawyer at Vinson & Elkins before she worked for Bush. Vinson & Elkins was
Enron's main law firm -- the very firm that facilitated Enron's frauds.
Vinson & Elkins was also the firm that spawned Alberto R. Gonzales -- Bush's
current general counsel.
"In other words, Vinson & Elkins and COPWF are the very embodiment of the
Houston good ol' boy Republican network. That this network spawn Kerry's
harshest critic should be of no surprise (his career was probably made
thanks to the Nixon dirty work). Thus, there should be no illusions that
O'Neill is in any way an independent and impartial critic of John Kerry."
Jerome R. Corsi
Unfit for Command' Co-author Jerome Corsi ...
Yahoo News ^ | Fri Aug 6, 5:40 PM ET | Naomi Seligman
Posted on 08/09/2004 4:11:03 PM PDT by the_gospel_of_thomas
Unfit for Command' Co-author Jerome Corsi: Not just Anti-Kerry; Media
Matters for America Documents Bigoted, Inflammatory Comments
To: National Desk, Media Reporter
Contact: Naomi Seligman of Media Matters for America, 202-756-4108
WASHINGTON, Aug. 6 /U.S. Newswire/ -- Media Matters for America (MMFA) today
documented and disclosed inflammatory comments by Jerome R. Corsi, co-author
of the anti-Kerry book 'Unfit for Command: Swift Boat Veterans Speak Out Aga
inst John Kerry (news - web sites)' with Swift Boat Veterans for Truth
founder John E. O'Neill. Corsi's offensive online comments reveal his active
participation in discussions on FreeRepublic.com, a far-right website.
The book, published by right-wing publisher Regnery, has received wide media
attention in recent days partly as the result of the Swift Boat Veterans for
Truth anti-Kerry attack ad and has skyrocketed up the Amazon best-seller
charts.
According to MMFA's analysis, Corsi, who received his PhD in Political
Science from Harvard University in 1972 and is currently the Vice President
of Development and Senior Editor of U.S. Financial Marketing Group, has
posted to the FreeRepublic.com website under the pseudonym "jrlc" since 2001
and has expressed anti-Catholic and anti-Muslim rhetoric, as well as hateful
and inflammatory smears against Democratic politicians.
Following are examples of some of rhetoric by "jrlc" as posted on
http://www.FreeRepublic.com --
on Catholics and the Pope:
-- "Boy buggering in both Islam and Catholicism is okay with
Docky Wocky
after the Civil War.
Kerry is much too cerebral a nerd to run a war of the significance of the
ongoing, and still unfinished, war against expansionist moslem terrorists.
He couldn't even decide if he was for, or against, killing communists in
Vietnam.
Wishy-washy flip-flopping, and over-thinking options to the point of
indecision just won't hack it in a world-wide altercation that pits highly
motivated, single-minded religious extremists against a presidential
candidate who can't even decide if he was for, or against, a simple
quasi-religious war like the Vietnam War.
He doesn't have that luxury anymore.
The name of the game our presidents will be required to play will be swift,
brutal, death-dealing for the foreseeable future. If you don't believe that,
just wait to see what the national response will be when the nutcases pull
off something equal to, or more spectacular than the World Trade Center
Communism was, and still is, a form of religion - complete with it's own
forms of popes, cardinals, clergy and peons. The names may have changed, but
the universal, unforgiving truth is that the eager-beaver morons at the
bottom of the heap still provide the cannon fodder under the direction of
the ever-present leaders who know what is best for everyone else.
Kerry might have been the ideal patrician warrior at one point in his
career, but the job now calls for someone who won't lose any sleep over
killing whole populations, especially as it becomes more evident and
necessary that they need killing.
Flipping, or flopping ain't gonna be an option once he has to push the
button.
Liberal Divide
"Sid9, Liberal" <si...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:8JKSc.191$rj...@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
> Nada wrote:
> > The title of a new book titled "Kerry, Unfit for Command" answers
> > that question in the affirmative.
> >
> > The following article on this book appears on the NewsMax website:
> >
> > http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/8/4/134116.shtml
>
> The following is information about the disreputable authors of this
Bush,Jr
> sponsered smear:
>
Hmmm, can't refute the charges made in the book, so you have to go for the
lame shoot the messenger stuff huh Skid?
Sid9, Liberal
Here it is undeleted:
The following is information about the disreputable authors of this Bush,Jr
sponsered smear:
John E. O'Neill
The Kos expended great effort to discover who O'Neill is and writes on April
22, 2004, that "We also found out that he's a partner at the Houston firm of
Clements, O'Neill, Pierce, Wilson and Fulkerson. One of his co-partners is
Margaret A. Wilson, who was George Bush's general counsel 1998-2000.
"Well, there's more about good ol' Margaret," the Kos continues. "She was a
lawyer at Vinson & Elkins before she worked for Bush. Vinson & Elkins was
Enron's main law firm -- the very firm that facilitated Enron's frauds.
Vinson & Elkins was also the firm that spawned Alberto R. Gonzales -- Bush's
current general counsel.
"In other words, Vinson & Elkins and COPWF are the very embodiment of the
Houston good ol' boy Republican network. That this network spawn Kerry's
harshest critic should be of no surprise (his career was probably made
thanks to the Nixon dirty work). Thus, there should be no illusions that
O'Neill is in any way an independent and impartial critic of John Kerry."
Jerome R. Corsi
Unfit for Command' Co-author Jerome Corsi ...
Yahoo News ^ | Fri Aug 6, 5:40 PM ET | Naomi Seligman
Posted on 08/09/2004 4:11:03 PM PDT by the_gospel_of_thomas
Unfit for Command' Co-author Jerome Corsi: Not just Anti-Kerry; Media
Matters for America Documents Bigoted, Inflammatory Comments
To: National Desk, Media Reporter
Contact: Naomi Seligman of Media Matters for America, 202-756-4108
WASHINGTON, Aug. 6 U.S. Newswire -- Media Matters for America (MMFA) today
documented and disclosed inflammatory comments by Jerome R. Corsi, co-author
of the anti-Kerry book 'Unfit for Command: Swift Boat Veterans Speak Out Aga
inst John Kerry (news - web sites)' with Swift Boat Veterans for Truth
founder John E. O'Neill. Corsi's offensive online comments reveal his active
participation in discussions on FreeRepublic.com, a far-right website.
The book, published by right-wing publisher Regnery, has received wide media
attention in recent days partly as the result of the Swift Boat Veterans for
Truth anti-Kerry attack ad and has skyrocketed up the Amazon best-seller
charts.
According to MMFA's analysis, Corsi, who received his PhD in Political
Science from Harvard University in 1972 and is currently the Vice President
of Development and Senior Editor of U.S. Financial Marketing Group, has
posted to the FreeRepublic.com website under the pseudonym "jrlc" since 2001
and has expressed anti-Catholic and anti-Muslim rhetoric, as well as hateful
and inflammatory smears against Democratic politicians.
Following are examples of some of rhetoric by "jrlc" as posted on
http://www.FreeRepublic.com --
on Catholics and the Pope:
-- "Boy buggering in both Islam and Catholicism is okay with
You don't like the truth so you delete it and change the subject.
The following is information about the disreputable authors of this Bush,Jr
sponsered smear:
John E. O'Neill
The Kos expended great effort to discover who O'Neill is and writes on April
22, 2004, that "We also found out that he's a partner at the Houston firm of
Clements, O'Neill, Pierce, Wilson and Fulkerson. One of his co-partners is
Margaret A. Wilson, who was George Bush's general counsel 1998-2000.
"Well, there's more about good ol' Margaret," the Kos continues. "She was a
lawyer at Vinson & Elkins before she worked for Bush. Vinson & Elkins was
Enron's main law firm -- the very firm that facilitated Enron's frauds.
Vinson & Elkins was also the firm that spawned Alberto R. Gonzales -- Bush's
current general counsel.
"In other words, Vinson & Elkins and COPWF are the very embodiment of the
Houston good ol' boy Republican network. That this network spawn Kerry's
harshest critic should be of no surprise (his career was probably made
thanks to the Nixon dirty work). Thus, there should be no illusions that
O'Neill is in any way an independent and impartial critic of John Kerry."
Jerome R. Corsi
Unfit for Command' Co-author Jerome Corsi ...
Yahoo News ^ | Fri Aug 6, 5:40 PM ET | Naomi Seligman
Posted on 08/09/2004 4:11:03 PM PDT by the_gospel_of_thomas
Unfit for Command' Co-author Jerome Corsi: Not just Anti-Kerry; Media
Matters for America Documents Bigoted, Inflammatory Comments
To: National Desk, Media Reporter
Contact: Naomi Seligman of Media Matters for America, 202-756-4108
WASHINGTON, Aug. 6 U.S. Newswire -- Media Matters for America (MMFA) today
Sid9, Liberal
You fear the truth so you delete it:
The following is information about the disreputable authors of this Bush,Jr
sponsered smear:
John E. O'Neill
The Kos expended great effort to discover who O'Neill is and writes on April
22, 2004, that "We also found out that he's a partner at the Houston firm of
Clements, O'Neill, Pierce, Wilson and Fulkerson. One of his co-partners is
Margaret A. Wilson, who was George Bush's general counsel 1998-2000.
"Well, there's more about good ol' Margaret," the Kos continues. "She was a
lawyer at Vinson & Elkins before she worked for Bush. Vinson & Elkins was
Enron's main law firm -- the very firm that facilitated Enron's frauds.
Vinson & Elkins was also the firm that spawned Alberto R. Gonzales -- Bush's
current general counsel.
"In other words, Vinson & Elkins and COPWF are the very embodiment of the
Houston good ol' boy Republican network. That this network spawn Kerry's
harshest critic should be of no surprise (his career was probably made
thanks to the Nixon dirty work). Thus, there should be no illusions that
O'Neill is in any way an independent and impartial critic of John Kerry."
Jerome R. Corsi
Unfit for Command' Co-author Jerome Corsi ...
Yahoo News ^ | Fri Aug 6, 5:40 PM ET | Naomi Seligman
Posted on 08/09/2004 4:11:03 PM PDT by the_gospel_of_thomas
Unfit for Command' Co-author Jerome Corsi: Not just Anti-Kerry; Media
Matters for America Documents Bigoted, Inflammatory Comments
To: National Desk, Media Reporter
Contact: Naomi Seligman of Media Matters for America, 202-756-4108
WASHINGTON, Aug. 6 U.S. Newswire -- Media Matters for America (MMFA) today
love Jockstrap Chirac@france.gov Frenchurian Candidate John F*ing Kerry
"Sid9, Liberal" <si...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:8JKSc.191$rj...@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
> > The title of a new book titled "Kerry, Unfit for Command" answers
> > that question in the affirmative.
> >
> > The following article on this book appears on the NewsMax website:
> >
> > http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/8/4/134116.shtml
>
> The following is information about the disreputable authors of this
Bush,Jr
> sponsered smear:
Oh, you mean like the Kerry- Move On . Org sponsored smear ? Or the
erry -Michael Moron sponsored smear? How about the Kerry-Billionaire George
Soros sponored smears ? Yep , they are all discredited all right.
love Jockstrap Chirac@france.gov Frenchurian Candidate John F*ing Kerry
> Liberal Divide wrote:
> > "Sid9, Liberal" <si...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> > news:8JKSc.191$rj...@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
> >> Nada wrote:
> >>> The title of a new book titled "Kerry, Unfit for Command" answers
> >>> that question in the affirmative.
> >>>
> >>> The following article on this book appears on the NewsMax website:
> >>>
> >>> http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/8/4/134116.shtml
> >>
> >> The following is information about the disreputable authors of this
> >> Bush,Jr sponsered smear:
> >>
> >
> >
> > Hmmm, can't refute the charges made in the book, so you have to go
> > for the lame shoot the messenger stuff huh Skid?
>
> You fear the truth so you delete it:
>
Is Kerry's Dr that refused to give Kerry a Purple Heart a " Bush smear
operative" too ?
May 04, 2004, 4:26 p.m.
Kerry Purple Heart Doc Speaks Out
The medical description of his first wound.
By Byron York
Some critics of Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry have questioned
the circumstances surrounding the first of three Purple Hearts Kerry won in
Vietnam. Those critics, among them some of Kerry's fellow veterans, have
suggested that a wound suffered by Kerry in December 1968 may have made him
technically eligible for a Purple Heart but was not severe enough to warrant
serious consideration, even for a decoration that was handed out by the
thousands. Whatever the case, Kerry was awarded the Purple Heart, and, along
with two others he won later, it allowed him to request to leave Vietnam
before his tour of duty was finished.
Kerry was treated for the wound at a medical facility in Cam Ranh Bay. The
doctor who treated Kerry, Louis Letson, is today a retired general
practitioner in Alabama. Letson says he remembers his brief encounter with
Kerry 35 years ago because "some of his crewmen related that Lt. Kerry had
told them that he would be the next JFK from Massachusetts." Letson says
that last year, as the Democratic campaign began to heat up, he told friends
that he remembered treating one of the candidates many years ago. In
response to their questions, Letson says, he wrote down his recollections of
the time. (Letson says he has had no contacts with anyone from the Bush
campaign or the Republican party.) What follows is Letson's memory, as he
wrote it.
I have a very clear memory of an incident which occurred while I was the
Medical Officer at Naval Support Facility, Cam Ranh Bay.
John Kerry was a (jg), the OinC or skipper of a Swift boat, newly arrived in
Vietnam. On the night of December 2, he was on patrol north of Cam Ranh, up
near Nha Trang area. The next day he came to sick bay, the medical facility,
for treatment of a wound that had occurred that night.
The story he told was different from what his crewmen had to say about that
night. According to Kerry, they had been engaged in a fire fight, receiving
small arms fire from on shore. He said that his injury resulted from this
enemy action.
Some of his crew confided that they did not receive any fire from shore, but
that Kerry had fired a mortar round at close range to some rocks on shore.
The crewman thought that the injury was caused by a fragment ricocheting
from that mortar round when it struck the rocks.
That seemed to fit the injury which I treated.
What I saw was a small piece of metal sticking very superficially in the
skin of Kerry's arm. The metal fragment measured about 1 cm. in length and
was about 2 or 3 mm in diameter. It certainly did not look like a round from
a rifle.
I simply removed the piece of metal by lifting it out of the skin with
forceps. I doubt that it penetrated more than 3 or 4 mm. It did not require
probing to find it, did not require any anesthesia to remove it, and did not
require any sutures to close the wound.
The wound was covered with a bandaid.
Not [sic] other injuries were reported and I do not recall that there was
any reported damage to the boat.
Sid9, Liberal
The following is information about the disreputable authors of this Bush,Jr
sponsered smear:
John E. O'Neill
The Kos expended great effort to discover who O'Neill is and writes on April
22, 2004, that "We also found out that he's a partner at the Houston firm of
Clements, O'Neill, Pierce, Wilson and Fulkerson. One of his co-partners is
Margaret A. Wilson, who was George Bush's general counsel 1998-2000.
"Well, there's more about good ol' Margaret," the Kos continues. "She was a
lawyer at Vinson & Elkins before she worked for Bush. Vinson & Elkins was
Enron's main law firm -- the very firm that facilitated Enron's frauds.
Vinson & Elkins was also the firm that spawned Alberto R. Gonzales -- Bush's
current general counsel.
"In other words, Vinson & Elkins and COPWF are the very embodiment of the
Houston good ol' boy Republican network. That this network spawn Kerry's
harshest critic should be of no surprise (his career was probably made
thanks to the Nixon dirty work). Thus, there should be no illusions that
O'Neill is in any way an independent and impartial critic of John Kerry."
Jerome R. Corsi
Unfit for Command' Co-author Jerome Corsi ...
Yahoo News ^ | Fri Aug 6, 5:40 PM ET | Naomi Seligman
Posted on 08/09/2004 4:11:03 PM PDT by the_gospel_of_thomas
Unfit for Command' Co-author Jerome Corsi: Not just Anti-Kerry; Media
Matters for America Documents Bigoted, Inflammatory Comments
To: National Desk, Media Reporter
Contact: Naomi Seligman of Media Matters for America, 202-756-4108
WASHINGTON, Aug. 6 U.S. Newswire -- Media Matters for America (MMFA) today
documented and disclosed inflammatory comments by Jerome R. Corsi, co-author
of the anti-Kerry book 'Unfit for Command: Swift Boat Veterans Speak Out Aga
inst John Kerry (news - web sites)' with Swift Boat Veterans for Truth
founder John E. O'Neill. Corsi's offensive online comments reveal his active
participation in discussions on FreeRepublic.com, a far-right website.
The book, published by right-wing publisher Regnery, has received wide media
attention in recent days partly as the result of the Swift Boat Veterans for
Truth anti-Kerry attack ad and has skyrocketed up the Amazon best-seller
charts.
According to MMFA's analysis, Corsi, who received his PhD in Political
Science from Harvard University in 1972 and is currently the Vice President
of Development and Senior Editor of U.S. Financial Marketing Group, has
posted to the FreeRepublic.com website under the pseudonym "jrlc" since 2001
and has expressed anti-Catholic and anti-Muslim rhetoric, as well as hateful
and inflammatory smears against Democratic politicians.
Following are examples of some of rhetoric by "jrlc" as posted on
http://www.FreeRepublic.com --
on Catholics and the Pope:
-- "Boy buggering in both Islam and Catholicism is okay with
John E. O'Neill
The Kos expended great effort to discover who O'Neill is and writes on April
22, 2004, that "We also found out that he's a partner at the Houston firm of
Clements, O'Neill, Pierce, Wilson and Fulkerson. One of his co-partners is
Margaret A. Wilson, who was George Bush's general counsel 1998-2000.
"Well, there's more about good ol' Margaret," the Kos continues. "She was a
lawyer at Vinson & Elkins before she worked for Bush. Vinson & Elkins was
Enron's main law firm -- the very firm that facilitated Enron's frauds.
Vinson & Elkins was also the firm that spawned Alberto R. Gonzales -- Bush's
current general counsel.
"In other words, Vinson & Elkins and COPWF are the very embodiment of the
Houston good ol' boy Republican network. That this network spawn Kerry's
harshest critic should be of no surprise (his career was probably made
thanks to the Nixon dirty work). Thus, there should be no illusions that
O'Neill is in any way an independent and impartial critic of John Kerry."
Jerome R. Corsi
Unfit for Command' Co-author Jerome Corsi ...
Yahoo News ^ | Fri Aug 6, 5:40 PM ET | Naomi Seligman
Posted on 08/09/2004 4:11:03 PM PDT by the_gospel_of_thomas
Unfit for Command' Co-author Jerome Corsi: Not just Anti-Kerry; Media
Matters for America Documents Bigoted, Inflammatory Comments
To: National Desk, Media Reporter
Contact: Naomi Seligman of Media Matters for America, 202-756-4108
WASHINGTON, Aug. 6 U.S. Newswire -- Media Matters for America (MMFA) today
Sid9, Liberal
Tell us about Bush,Jr;s wounds and battle action.....make sure you give us
the names of the bars
love Jockstrap Chirac@france.gov Frenchurian Candidate John F*ing Kerry
Total evasion of the question as usual, noted.
Liberal Divide
> Liberal Divide wrote:
> > "Sid9, Liberal" <si...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> > news:8JKSc.191$rj...@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
> >> Nada wrote:
> >>> The title of a new book titled "Kerry, Unfit for Command" answers
> >>> that question in the affirmative.
> >>>
> >>> The following article on this book appears on the NewsMax website:
> >>>
> >>> http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/8/4/134116.shtml
> >>
> >> The following is information about the disreputable authors of this
> >> Bush,Jr sponsered smear:
> >>
> >
> >
> > Hmmm, can't refute the charges made in the book, so you have to go
> > for the lame shoot the messenger stuff huh Skid?
>
> You fear the truth so you delete it:
>
You can post things you don't like about the authors personal lives until
the cows come home, why aren't you refuting the charges made in the book?
Liberal Divide
> See http://www.johnkerry.com
>
> The following is information about the disreputable authors of this
Bush,Jr
> sponsered smear:
>
When are you going to refute the charges made in the book?
Sid9, Liberal
> "Sid9, Liberal" <si...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:3hMSc.221$rj....@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
>> Liberal Divide wrote:
>>> "Sid9, Liberal" <si...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>>> news:8JKSc.191$rj...@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
>>>> Nada wrote:
>>>>> The title of a new book titled "Kerry, Unfit for Command" answers
>>>>> that question in the affirmative.
>>>>>
>>>>> The following article on this book appears on the NewsMax website:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/8/4/134116.shtml
>>>>
>>>> The following is information about the disreputable authors of this
>>>> Bush,Jr sponsered smear:
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hmmm, can't refute the charges made in the book, so you have to go
>>> for the lame shoot the messenger stuff huh Skid?
>>
>> You fear the truth so you delete it:
>>
>
> You can post things you don't like about the authors personal lives
> until the cows come home, why aren't you refuting the charges made in
> the book?
You and they have no credibility.
At least they get paid for their work.
Sid9, Liberal
Refute garbage?
Liberal Divide
So in other words you can't refute the charges made in the book.
Your concession is noted.
Liberal Divide
Are you afraid of discovering the truth?
Rico
Former U.S. Sen. Chic Hecht of Nevada, might diagree. Plug him into Google
and find out about the time Kerry saved his life by taking immediate and
deecissive action.
fundamentalism, fundamentally wrong.
qwerty
"Rico" <rico...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:10hnc5a...@corp.supernews.com...
"Former GOP Sen. Hecht owes life to Democratic candidate Kerry"
"Former U.S. Sen. Chic Hecht of Nevada is a staunch Republican, but he
thanks his lucky stars for Democratic presidential hopeful Sen. John Kerry
of Massachusetts."
""This man gave me my life," the 75-year-old Hecht said Thursday."
"Hecht said he was amazed that Kerry acted so quickly -- some people were
assuming that he was having a heart attack. "
""He knew exactly what to do," he said. "But a lot of people know what to
do. They just don't size up the situation immediately.""
"Every year the Hechts call Kerry's longtime personal secretary, who tracks
down Kerry wherever he is. "
"Then they recount some of their experiences in the last year. Hecht and his
wife thank Kerry for thinking so quickly in the Senate halls that day. And
Kerry tells them that their phone call is one of his favorites of the year."
""He's so nice and appreciative," Hecht said."
http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/sun/2004/feb/06/516309920.html
> fundamentalism, fundamentally wrong.
So true!
bernard spilman
AWOL! Total evasion of his duty to America then, total
evasion of his duty to America now. That's George Bush.
WS
bernard spilman
> So in other words you can't refute the charges made in the book.
>
> Your concession is noted.
Here we go again: The lies in Nixonite O'Kneel's book
are completely and utterly refuted by EVERY ACCOUNT
OF EVENTS made before Kerry exposed the misconduct
of some US personnel. "Every account" includes accountings
written by O'Kneel and his co-authors, who at the time praised
Kerry.
Its clear that these swiftboat criminals are very angry about Kerry's
anti-war activities, they obviously think they should have been
allowed to do whatever they wanted in Vietman without any
criticism. In fact, the atrocities exposed by Kerry's testimony
were counter to the interests of America, sabotaged our war
effort there, and got more American soldiers killed. These guy
are probably the worst of the baby-killers and hate Kerry for
exposing their unAmerican crimes.
You don't give up, do you? Here's a tactic you might try: The truth.
WS
Liberal Divide
"bernard spilman" <bspilma...@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:nwOSc.252178$2o2.14...@twister.southeast.rr.com...
It's about Kerry, try to stay on topic.......if you can.....
Liberal Divide
> >
> > So in other words you can't refute the charges made in the book.
> >
> > Your concession is noted.
>
> Here we go again: The lies in Nixonite O'Kneel's book
> are completely and utterly refuted by EVERY ACCOUNT
> OF EVENTS made before Kerry exposed the misconduct
> of some US personnel. >
Where? Where have all the charges in the book been refuted?
So far, the Kerry camp comes up with a big zero.
The Cambodia story for example is huge. Three of the men in Kerry's boat
even refute that one.....
Try again.
a
"Docky Wocky" <mrc...@lst.net> wrote in message
news:iuLSc.30394$114....@nwrddc02.gnilink.net...
> Kerry is probably a nice rich guy who would have made an ideal president
> after the Civil War.
>
> Kerry is much too cerebral a nerd to run a war of the significance of the
> ongoing, and still unfinished, war against expansionist moslem terrorists.
> He couldn't even decide if he was for, or against, killing communists in
> Vietnam.
Ya, god forbid the US has a president with a brain.
>
> Wishy-washy flip-flopping, and over-thinking options to the point of
> indecision just won't hack it in a world-wide altercation that pits highly
> motivated, single-minded religious extremists against a presidential
> candidate who can't even decide if he was for, or against, a simple
> quasi-religious war like the Vietnam War.
>
Changing your mind is wishy-washy?
> He doesn't have that luxury anymore.
>
> The name of the game our presidents will be required to play will be
swift,
> brutal, death-dealing for the foreseeable future. If you don't believe
that,
> just wait to see what the national response will be when the nutcases pull
> off something equal to, or more spectacular than the World Trade Center
>
> Communism was, and still is, a form of religion - complete with it's own
> forms of popes, cardinals, clergy and peons. The names may have changed,
but
> the universal, unforgiving truth is that the eager-beaver morons at the
> bottom of the heap still provide the cannon fodder under the direction of
> the ever-present leaders who know what is best for everyone else.
Communism? WTF are babbling about, the current war has nothing to do with
communism.
>
> Kerry might have been the ideal patrician warrior at one point in his
> career, but the job now calls for someone who won't lose any sleep over
> killing whole populations, especially as it becomes more evident and
> necessary that they need killing.
You think it is a good idea for your president to not loose leep over
killing whole populations? Gee, and Americans wonder how they got the war
mongering rep they have.
Sid9, Liberal
Silver star, Bronze star, three Purple hearts....
volunteered to go into battle while Bush,Jr
was cowering under a bar stool
Sid9, Liberal
This book is a phony fabrication by the secret Bush,Jr campaign.
It has no basis in relity.
Same old Republican dirty tricks crap
Voter
> The title of a new book titled "Kerry, Unfit for Command" answers
> that question in the affirmative.
>
> The following article on this book appears on the NewsMax website:
>
> http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/8/4/134116.shtml
O'Neill's account of Rassmann rescue, which earned Kerry Bronze Star, is
inconsistent with official Naval documents
On Scarborough Country, Buchanan read an excerpt from former Kerry crewmate
Jim Rassmann's August 10 Wall Street Journal op-ed, in which Rassmann
recounted that Kerry risked his own life under enemy fire to save
Rassmann's. O'Neill responded as follows:
O'NEILL: It's not what happened, Pat. ... John Kerry fled. And he came
back and did pick up Rassmann shortly before the other boats picked him up.
Our boats stayed. They did not flee. And that is not the truth for Rassmann
to say that. We had only one guy in our unit who would flee. That's John
Kerry. Otherwise, I wouldn't be here tonight. I wouldn't be alive tonight
if our guys fled.
O'Neill's claim that Kerry fled is inconsistent both with Rassmann's
firsthand account and with the account of Kerry's actions in his Bronze
Star citation (pdf) for which Rassmann nominated him: "Kerry's calmness,
professionalism and great personal courage under fire were in keeping with
the highest traditions of the United States Naval Service."
On FOX News Channel's Hannity & Colmes, O'Neill also took issue with "the
position that Kerry came under fire" in the events surrounding his saving
of Rassmann. But official Naval documents specifically detail the boats
involved receiving, "HEAVY A/W (automatic weapons) AND S/A (small arms)
FROM BOTH BANKS." Kerry's Bronze Star citation states: "For heroic
achievement while serving with Coastal Division ELEVEN engaged in armed
conflict with Viet Cong communist aggressors in An Xuyen Province, Republic
of Vietnam, on 13 March 1969."
And, after investigating Kerry's military career, the authors of John F.
Kerry: The Complete Biography by the Boston Globe Reporters Who Know Him
Best, wrote that a mine blast threw Rassmann into the water and made him "a
bobbing target as he dodged the bullets whizzing around him" (p.106).
http://mediamatters.org/items/200408120007
Voter
O'Neill's account of Rassmann rescue, which earned Kerry Bronze Star, is
qwerty
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> > Kerry is probably a nice rich guy who would have made an ideal president
> > after the Civil War.
> >
> > Kerry is much too cerebral a nerd to run a war of the significance of
the
> > ongoing, and still unfinished, war against expansionist moslem
terrorists.
> > He couldn't even decide if he was for, or against, killing communists in
> > Vietnam.
>
> Ya, god forbid the US has a president with a brain.
Indeed, how nice to have one that actually reads, keeps up with current
events and has an intellectual curiosity without being spoon fed!
"Where Bush says he does not read newspapers, Kerry says he cannot get
enough of them. "
""I read four or five papers a day if I can," Kerry said when asked about
his newspaper reading habits. "It depends obviously on where I am and what
I'm doing. I always pick up a local paper in the hotel I'm staying at, or
two depending on what the city is. And I try to get the Washington Post, New
York Times, Wall Street Journal, USA Today, papers like that. I try to read
as much as I can.""
""But Kerry's penchant for the papers clearly distinguishes him from the
current President Bush, who was asked by Fox News anchor Brit Hume how he
gets his news and replied that he asks an aide, "What's in the newspapers
worth worrying about?""
"Bush added, "I glance at the headlines just to kind of (get) a flavor of
what's moving. I rarely read the stories." ""
"Instead of gathering information himself, Bush said, he prefers to "get
briefed by people who probably read the news themselves" and "people on my
staff who tell me what's happening in the world.""
"Kerry shook his head in disagreement as Bush's comments were recounted to
him."
""I can't imagine being president and not reading as much as I can about
what people are saying," he said. "I don't want it varnished by staff. I
don't want it filtered by staff. I want it the way it is. And I think you
get a much better sense of what's going in the country."
http://www.madison.com/tct/news/stories/index.php?ntid=8029&ntpid=2
""I don't watch the nightly newscasts on TV, nor do I watch the endless
hours of people giving their opinion about things," the president said. "I
don't read the editorial pages; I don't read the columnists.""
"Since I'm the first one to see him in the morning, I usually give him a
quick overview and get a little reaction from him," Card told the author.
"Frequently, I find that his reaction kind of reflects Laura Bush's take.""
""He does not dwell on the newspaper, but he reads the sports page every
day," according to Card."
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/05/15/1084570989001.html?from=storyrhs&oneclick=true#
Voter
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>> Liberal Divide wrote:
>>> "Sid9, Liberal" <si...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>>> news:doMSc.248$rj...@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
>>>> See http://www.johnkerry.com
>>>>
>>>> The following is information about the disreputable authors of this
>>>> Bush,Jr sponsered smear:
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> When are you going to refute the charges made in the book?
>>
>> Refute garbage?
>>
>
> Are you afraid of discovering the truth?
O'Neill claim that Kerry received Purple Hearts under "false pretenses" is
not supported by Kerry's medical records
On Hannity & Colmes, O'Neill erroneously accused Kerry of applying for two
of his three Purple Hearts under "false pretenses." O'Neill expanded on
this charge on Scarborough Country, where he claimed that Kerry's "first
Purple Heart, that's the one where he actually fired an M-79 round. He got
a tiny piece from his own round. There was no hostile fire. The third
Purple Heart is the deal where he threw a grenade into rice. He caught some
rice in his butt. He then attempted to attribute it to the incident
involving the [PCF] 3 boat and thereby left Vietnam."
As Media Matters for America has noted, the claim that Kerry received his
first Purple Heart for a non-combat wound originated with Dr. Louis Letson,
who, in the ad, claims, "Kerry is lying about his first Purple Heart
because I treated him for that injury." But there is no documentation of
Letson's having treated Kerry; indeed, the record that does exist of the
treatment Kerry received for the wound was signed by another medical
official, not Letson. And, as Annenberg Political Fact Check
(FactCheck.org) reported, Letson's claim is "based on hearsay, and disputed
hearsay at that. Letson says 'the crewman with Kerry told me there was no
hostile fire, and that Kerry had inadvertently wounded himself with an M-79
grenade.' But the Kerry campaign says the two crewmen with Kerry that day
deny ever talking to Letson."
Despite the credibility questions surrounding Letson's claim that he
treated Kerry, FOX & Friends substitute host Kiran Chetry, a FOX News
anchor, appeared to accept it as fact; Chetry invited O'Neill to "talk
about what the doctor who treated him [Kerry] said about that wound
[resulting in Kerry's first Purple Heart]." And while O'Neill did not
appear on MSNBC's Hardball with Chris Matthews, Matthews instead aired the
Swift Boat Veterans ad and said he was "impressed when the doctor who says
I treated him for his Purple Heart says he doesn't deserve it. That
impresses me." When Matthews's guest, media strategist Steve McMahon,
pointed out that "the records don't indicate that he [Letson] treated him
at all. It was a different doctor," Matthews responded, "Is that for real?"
After McMahon answered affirmatively, Matthews continued to press him.
From the August 10 edition of MSNBC'S Hardball with Chris Matthews:
MATTHEWS: You swear that to be true?
McMAHON: Yes, I swear that to be true.
MATTHEWS: Do you swear the whole truth? If that's true, then the ad is
full of it.
The day before, on NBC's The Chris Matthews Show, as MMFA pointed out,
Matthews posited that Letson's accusations "could hurt Kerry."
O'Neill's claim that Kerry received his third Purple Heart because he
"caught some rice in the butt" is not consistent with the Navy's casualty
report for Kerry's wound. As FactCheck.org has noted, that report (pdf)
indicates not only "shrapnel wounds in left buttocks" but also "contusions
on his right forearm when a mine detonated close aboard PCF-94."
http://mediamatters.org/items/200408120007
Voter
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>> Liberal Divide wrote:
>>> "Sid9, Liberal" <si...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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>>>> See http://www.johnkerry.com
>>>>
>>>> The following is information about the disreputable authors of this
>>>> Bush,Jr sponsered smear:
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> When are you going to refute the charges made in the book?
>>
>> Refute garbage?
>>
>
> Are you afraid of discovering the truth?
O'Neill's charge that Kerry received Silver Star for shooting wounded
fleeing enemy is based on inconsistent claims and conflicts with Kerry's
official citation
On Hannity & Colmes, O'Neill also attempted to discredit Kerry's Silver
Star: "What actually happened on John Kerry's Silver Star is he went in,
and there was a single man in a loincloth opposing him ... the man was
wounded. He [Kerry] then climbed off the boat, chased him and shot him." On
Scarborough Country, O'Neill alleged that Kerry took his "heavily armored
gunboat, with 30 troops on board. They were faced by one adversary, a Viet
Cong. The Viet Cong was wounded in the legs. He sought to escape and Kerry
dispatched him, shot him in the back."
However, as FactCheck.org noted, Kerry was not awarded the Silver Star for
killing a single Viet Cong but, rather, for "extraordinary daring and
personal courage ... in attacking a numerically superior force in the face
of intense fire," according to Kerry's Silver Star citation (pdf). George
Elliott (a retired Lieutenant Commander, a member of Swift Boat Veterans
for Truth, and Kerry's former commanding officer) -- who recommended Kerry
for the Silver Star for valor -- has since signed an affidavit saying that
Kerry did not deserve the Silver Star. However, as MMFA has noted, The
Boston Globe reported on August 6 that Elliott recently recanted, telling
Globe reporter Michael Kranish that he made a "terrible mistake" in signing
that affidavit.
The story doesn't end there, as Elliott has since recanted his recantation,
signing a second affidavit (pdf) in which he reverted to the assertion that
"[h]ad I known the facts, I would not have recommended Kerry for the Silver
Star for simply pursuing and dispatching a single, wounded, fleeing Viet
Cong." But as FactCheck.org pointed out, "That statement is misleading" in
that "[i]t mischaracterizes the actual basis on which Kerry received his
decoration." FactCheck.org explained that the citation "shows Kerry was not
awarded the Silver Star 'for simply pursing and dispatching' the Viet Cong.
In fact, the killing is not even mentioned in the official citation."
FactCheck.org also noted that "as recently as June, 2003, Elliott called
Kerry's Silver Star 'well deserved' and his action 'courageous' for
beaching his boat in the face of an ambush."
O'Neill falsely claimed Swift Boat Vets have "no partisan ties" and "didn't
campaign in the last four elections"
On the August 11 edition of CNN's Wolf Blitzer Reports, O'Neill claimed:
"[T]he people in our organization have no partisan ties, we didn't campaign
in the last four elections for Democrats, by and large we didn't campaign
for anybody." His statement is simply wrong.
Media Matters for America has extensively documented O'Neill's
long-standing Republican ties. (As a guest on Scarborough Country, MSNBC
senior political analyst Lawrence O'Donnell Jr. noted that both O'Neill and
Buchanan have ties to the GOP that date back to Chuck Colson and the Nixon
administration: "I'm wondering if you [Buchanan] met him in 1971 when he
[O'Neill] was in the Oval Office with Richard Nixon planning his first
criticism of John Kerry. There is a great picture that MSNBC News has that
I've been looking at with Chuck Colson, President Nixon and John O'Neill
planning his debate then with John Kerry. And there is another pair of
shoes in the frame, Pat [Buchanan]. I can't tell if they are your shoes or
not. I don't know." "They might have been. They might have been," Buchanan
replied.) FactCheck.org noted that $100,000 of the $158,750 the group had
raised as of June came from prominent Texas Republican and Bush-Cheney '04
campaign contributor Bob Perry. As for O'Neill's claim that members of the
group "didn't campaign for anybody," The Boston Globe reported on August 7
that Elliott appeared with Kerry during his 1996 Senate reelection campaign
"and defended Kerry, saying he deserved the Silver Star."
http://mediamatters.org/items/200408120007
Sid9, Liberal
move:
"Former GOP Sen. Hecht owes life to Democratic candidate Kerry
By Kirsten Searer
LAS VEGAS SUN
Former U.S. Sen. Chic Hecht of Nevada is a staunch Republican, but he thanks
his lucky stars for Democratic presidential hopeful Sen. John Kerry of
Massachusetts.
On July 12, 1988, Hecht was attending a weekly Republican luncheon when a
piece of apple lodged firmly in his throat.
Hecht stumbled out of the room, thinking he might vomit but not wanting to
do it in front of his colleagues. Sen. Kit Bond, R-Mo., thumped his back,
but Hecht quickly passed out in the hallway.
Just then, Kerry stepped off an elevator, rushed to Hecht's side and gave
him the Heimlich maneuver -- four times.
The lifesaving incident made international news, and Dr. Henry Heimlich, who
invented the maneuver in 1974, called Hecht to say that had Kerry intervened
just 30 seconds later Hecht might have been in a vegetative state for life.
"This man gave me my life," the 75-year-old Hecht said Thursday.
Hecht said he was amazed that Kerry acted so quickly -- some people were
assuming that he was having a heart attack.
"He knew exactly what to do," he said. "But a lot of people know what to do.
They just don't size up the situation immediately."
The story has a twist of irony: Hecht was up for re-election that year, and
Kerry, who was serving as the chairman of the Democratic Senatorial Campaign
Committee, had pegged Hecht as one of the most vulnerable Republican seats.
Indeed, the Democratic nominee for Hecht's seat, then-Gov. Richard Bryan,
beat Hecht, who served just one term in office.
"Only in America can this happen, where he's working against me to get me
defeated and then saves my life," Hecht said.
Hecht, who prides himself on having one of the most conservative records on
the books during his six years in the Senate, said he and his wife, Gail,
see politics as "a secondary issue" when it comes to Kerry."
Voter
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>> Nada wrote:
>>> The title of a new book titled "Kerry, Unfit for Command" answers
>>> that question in the affirmative.
>>>
>>> The following article on this book appears on the NewsMax website:
>>>
>>> http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/8/4/134116.shtml
>>
>> The following is information about the disreputable authors of this
> Bush,Jr
>> sponsered smear:
>>
>
>
> Hmmm, can't refute the charges made in the book, so you have to go for the
> lame shoot the messenger stuff huh Skid?
O'Neill's account of Rassmann rescue, which earned Kerry Bronze Star, is
Voter
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>> Nada wrote:
>>> The title of a new book titled "Kerry, Unfit for Command" answers
>>> that question in the affirmative.
>>>
>>> The following article on this book appears on the NewsMax website:
>>>
>>> http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/8/4/134116.shtml
>>
>> The following is information about the disreputable authors of this
> Bush,Jr
>> sponsered smear:
>>
>
>
> Hmmm, can't refute the charges made in the book, so you have to go for the
> lame shoot the messenger stuff huh Skid?
Besides, all anyone needs to do is to check the Official Military Records,
and that, in and of itself, is enough to "refute the charges made in the
book".
Voter
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>> Liberal Divide wrote:
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>>>> Nada wrote:
>>>>> The title of a new book titled "Kerry, Unfit for Command" answers
>>>>> that question in the affirmative.
>>>>>
>>>>> The following article on this book appears on the NewsMax website:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/8/4/134116.shtml
>>>>
>>>> The following is information about the disreputable authors of this
>>>> Bush,Jr sponsered smear:
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hmmm, can't refute the charges made in the book, so you have to go
>>> for the lame shoot the messenger stuff huh Skid?
>>
>> You fear the truth so you delete it:
>>
>
> You can post things you don't like about the authors personal lives until
> the cows come home, why aren't you refuting the charges made in the book?
O'Neill falsely claimed Swift Boat Vets have "no partisan ties" and "didn't
Psalm 110
wrote:
Sun Myung Moon, the Washington Times, is the proof that Bush is a fake
Christian. No Christian can accept Sun Myung Moon's declaration he is
messiah and "King of Kings". In the context that Moon is NOT SHUNNED
and is not taken to task for selling nuclear sub technology to North
Korea, it means that the Bush abortion story must be considered.
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Nukes.html
The gist of the story is Bush drove his underage mexican mistress to
the abortionist and paid the fee. The mistress in question was moved
to an expensive new home during the investigation and now declines to
testify. Friends of the mistress signed affidavits (you know, like the
kind of affidavits the Swift Boat vets signed).
http://www.laweekly.com/ink/04/30/news-blume.php
JUNE 18 - 24, 2004
The Texas Abortion Tango
The unproven scandal that could have sunk George W. Bush
by Howard Blume
In the winter of the Clinton impeachment, Larry Flynt, the publisher
of Hustler magazine, was a pornographer on a mission -- determined to
dig up sex scandals on the Republicans who’d come after Clinton. It
wasn’t that Flynt was suddenly against sex or even scandalous sex ,
but that he considered the anti-Clinton ringmasters to be cynical,
partisan opportunists -- hypocrites who decried Clinton as morally
unfit while being less fit themselves.
In December 1998, shortly before the impeachment trial, Flynt nailed
incoming Republican House Speaker Robert L. Livingston, who resigned
rather than endure Flynt’s public airing of multiple extramarital
affairs. Flynt also contributed to the downfall of anti-Clinton attack
dog Bob Barr, the Georgia Republican who was a House manager for the
impeachment. Barr lost a re-election bid after revelations about his
alleged adultery -- and about how he allegedly paid for an abortion
for one of his wives, even though he later referred to abortion as
murder while in Congress.
Flynt helped wound but did not end the political careers of
Representatives Dan Burton (out-of-wedlock child) and Henry Hyde (over
a "youthful indiscretion" -- Hyde’s words -- with a married woman that
lasted into his 40s). In some of these cases, Flynt’s role was to
publicize information first unearthed elsewhere.
Eventually, Flynt set his sights on the biggest prize, George W. Bush,
once again offering up to a million dollars for definitive dirt. He
sent investigative reporters to the heart of Texas, first in 1999.
They would look into an allegation that in 1971, George Bush, then
about 25 years old, got a girlfriend pregnant and paid for her illegal
abortion. Flynt got tantalizingly close to documenting such an
episode, but never confirmed enough to justify a press conference. He
would have loved to prove it. Flynt’s hatred of Bush is both visceral
and principled. He’s a bona fide supporter of First Amendment rights
and mainstream Democratic principles, and is commercially pragmatic --
he knows that Bush and his anti-sin crowd would shut down Flynt’s
business if they could.
So what was Flynt to do on the eve of the 2000 presidential election?
Lacking proof, Flynt instead dropped broad hints about the alleged
abortion. He didn’t name names -- other than Bush’s -- because his
lawyer told him he risked a libel suit from the woman in question. The
mainstream press chose to ignore the story -- which is a story in
itself.
Flynt’s account finally gets told in the book Sex, Lies & Politics:
The Naked Truth, scheduled to hit shelves late this month. Flynt
avoids risk of libel by keeping the players anonymous and by avoiding
flat-out claims. He offers instead an account of the investigation.
Flynt provided additional information in interviews with the Weekly,
as did people involved in the investigation, who spoke off the record.
The Texas tango remains something of a page turner. In 2000, Flynt
thought the revelation, if true, ought to push some voters away from
Bush based on what it revealed about his character. The alleged events
of 1971 do say something about the privileges and purview of Bush and
his family and, courtesy of Flynt and some of those involved in the
investigation, you get to read it here first.
"Back in 2000, I got a phone call from an attorney from Houston,"
begins Flynt in a passage about two-thirds of the way through his
book. "He represented a woman we’ll call ‘Susan,’ who supposedly could
prove that, back in the early ’70s, George W. Bush had arranged an
abortion for his girlfriend."
Flynt was immediately interested; here was ammunition to sink Bush in
an election too close to call. It would be damning enough for Bush to
have arranged an abortion, but, even worse, abortion was illegal in
1971, before the Roe v. Wade Supreme Court decision. Laws didn’t stop
abortions, of course, though they did make them dangerous and even
life-threatening for most women. The wealthy or well-connected were
frequently luckier; they could often find doctors willing to perform
abortions safely in a hospital or clinic setting. That is what
allegedly happened here.
All of this mattered in the year 2000 because "Bush was successfully
slipping past allegations of cocaine use, drunk driving and being a
useless rich boy," writes Flynt. "But arranging for an abortion was a
more serious matter. Bush’s own supporters said that abortion is
murder."
At the time, in 1971, Bush had been living for about two years in the
Chateaux Dijon apartment complex, a Houston gathering place and party
scene for the young and beautiful as well as the offspring of the rich
and politically potent. Bush was three years out of Yale, where he’d
been an unremarkable student. Soon after graduating, he’d joined the
Texas Air National Guard, an escape valve for sons of the powerful
seeking to avoid service in Vietnam.
The National Guard experience has been covered extensively elsewhere;
long-established evidence suggests Bush jumped a lengthy waiting list
to get in, with helpful intervention from friends of his father. The
elder Bush, who became president in 1988, was prominent even then.
He’d been elected to the U.S. House of Representatives in 1966 and
served as ambassador to the United Nations from 1971 to 1972, after
losing a 1970 race for the Senate. Papa Bush also had a background as
a Texas oilman.
The young George W. Bush of the 1970s was a partier, a drinker and --
by his own hints in later remarks -- a recreational-drug user. There’s
long been speculation that he might have skipped a mandatory National
Guard physical, in August 1972, to avoid a possible drug test. There’s
also doubt about whether he actually completed his service in the
Guard.
But that’s getting ahead of the story. In 1971, according to the
account, an "agitated" young Bush supposedly called an older family
friend. (Flynt calls the friend by the made-up name "Clyde.") Bush
allegedly confessed that he’d gotten his girlfriend pregnant. It was
natural that Bush would call Clyde, because Clyde had been "loosely
assigned to keep the family black sheep, young W., out of trouble," as
Flynt puts it.
Flynt’s source, "Susan," told Flynt’s investigators that she was
Clyde’s girlfriend at the time. She said she was in the room when the
call came from Bush. Clyde allegedly told Bush he’d take care of it,
which meant arranging for an abortion. Susan named the hospital, and
she named the doctor.
Flynt’s researchers found the doctor and confronted him. The doctor
denied having performed an abortion, they reported to Flynt, but oddly
enough, he did remember the woman from his own social visits to
Chateaux Dijon. He described her "as the best-looking woman" who
showed up for parties at the apartment complex.
"My reporters were unable to gain any evidence from the hospital,"
writes Flynt. "The institution had been sold several times over the
years and their records were spotty."
Flynt’s account is seconded by some of those involved in the
investigation. Flynt’s researchers spent about three months total in
Texas trying to obtain documentary confirmation. In interviews with
the Weekly, sources who took part in the investigation supplied
details not in Flynt’s soon-to-be-published account. They told, for
example, how his investigators tracked down Bush’s former girlfriend.
They say the woman acknowledged, through her husband, that she had
dated Bush for six months. But she also insisted to a friend (who
spoke with Flynt’s investigators) that she and Bush never had sex. She
said to the same friend that she’d been in the hospital for a dilation
and curettage, or D&C, which is surgery involving a scraping of the
wall of the uterus. It was a common form of doctor-supervised abortion
in the early 1970s. But the woman maintained that her D&C was not an
abortion, but for another medical purpose. A D&C is sometimes
performed after a miscarriage or in non-pregnant women who have
abnormal bleeding, fibroids or polyps.
In other words, the researchers found intriguing circumstantial
support, but no proof. The investigators then tried a different tack.
"Susan, in an effort to jump-start the investigation, contacted Clyde,
told him that some reporters were bugging her about the incident, and
asked for his help," writes Flynt. "She told us that he first casually
denied any knowledge of what she was talking about, then in a later
conversation, threatened her and told her to keep her mouth shut."
In interviews with the Weekly, Flynt said he is convinced that the
former Bush girlfriend had been bought off. He said that before his
investigation, the woman had a low-wage job and her husband was
unemployed. After his researchers started poking around, said Flynt,
the husband emerged with a well-paid federal law-enforcement job and
the family moved into an expensive house in a Texas resort area.
That’s not exactly how some others involved in the investigation
analyzed the evidence. The husband was a veteran law-enforcement
officer, they said. In other words, it was neither peculiar nor
improper that he would hold a job with a federal law-enforcement
agency. In addition, the couple was not demonstrably living beyond
their economic means. The woman’s husband also seemed surprised to
hear about his wife’s alleged 1971 trip to the hospital when
confronted, the sources said. This reaction was inconsistent with
having been bought off.
You get the sense that Flynt wanted the story out so desperately that
his own remembering became a bit skewed. He did, however, ask his
researchers to fact-check the details that actually appear in the
book. And the allegation about the woman being paid off is not in
there.
The researchers finally told Flynt they felt they could take the
investigation no further. "They said they didn’t want to waste my
money," said Flynt in an interview, "and I appreciated that."
As one person directly involved in this investigation said to the
Weekly, "Circumstantially, the story made a lot of sense, but none of
the major figures were really talking."
Flynt hoped the national media would take the matter further, perhaps
by launching their own probes, or even by just asking Bush a pointed
question during a press conference. Flynt called Tim Russert of NBC
News, which sent a reporter to Flynt’s office to look over his
material. This reporter, said Flynt in an interview, was David Bloom,
the same reporter who died of a pulmonary embolism at age 39 while
covering the war in Iraq in April 2003. Flynt said Bloom declined to
pick up the baton. "He said, ‘Larry, I just can’t do it. Something
like this could change the outcome of the election.’"
An NBC spokeswoman essentially confirmed Flynt’s account in an
e-mailed response to a series of questions. "No discussion about the
substance of the rumor took place with Mr. Russert," said Barbara
Levin. Flynt "contacted Mr. Russert, NBC News’ Washington Bureau
Chief, and as is often the case, Russert simply passed the information
on to a reporter to follow up. As you note, David Bloom did follow up
and used his editorial judgment that the rumor was not solid enough to
go with a story." Levin commented that Flynt "called several news
organizations, including NBC News," but she declined to address why
NBC reporters elected not to question Bush about the subject.
An exasperated Flynt decided to get the message out himself, though
time was running short. Howard Stern interviewed him, but the segment
ran only once, writes Flynt, on Stern’s live show. He also appeared on
KROQ-FM’s Kevin and Bean Morning Show in August.
Then, on October 20, 2000, Flynt appeared on CNN’s Crossfire. The
subject of the show concerned porn and the Internet, but Flynt took
advantage of live TV to launch his spiel. Conservative host Robert
Novak challenged Flynt as having "no proof."
"The hell we don’t have proof," Flynt retorted. (Of course, Flynt
didn’t have proof.) Novak then asked Flynt if he was a Gore supporter.
Flynt responded that he didn’t like either candidate and that he’d
vote for the lesser of two evils.
The camera cut from Flynt, never to return. Liberal but skeptical
co-host Bill Press sardonically remarked, "You never know. Live
television." Flynt claims that CNN expurgated this exchange from its
transcript, and at the time, some online wags came to the same
conclusion and quickly posted alerts. Currently, two versions of the
transcript appear on the widely used Nexis database. One version has
the full exchange about the alleged abortion. The other omits the
discussion entirely. It’s identified as a "rush transcript" that "may
not be in its final form and may be updated."
Syndicated gossip Liz Smith finally picked up the story, with a few
details off-
kilter, on November 6, the day before the election. She wrote:
Hot on the heels of the George W. Bush DUI revelation (in Maine, it’s
called OUI -- Operating Under the Influence), comes word that
porn-king muckraker Larry Flynt is charging that a girlfriend of W.’s,
back in 1970, had an abortion. But that’s not the story, as there’s no
evidence that Bush even knew about the pregnancy. The real story --
according to the Internet’s About.com -- is that Flynt’s remarks were
apparently censored from CNN’s Crossfire, and the entire transcript of
the show vanished from the CNN Web site. The media has been willing to
crucify Bill and Hillary Clinton with the worst sort of specious
rumor-mongering, so why was this sleazy tidbit too hot for the
"responsible" press to ask about?
Her item on Bush was cut from her column everywhere, in more than 100
papers, except for the New Jersey Star-Ledger. Flynt then contacted
Daily Variety’s gossip columnist Army Archerd, who wrote on November
7, the day of the election:
FREEDOM OF THE PRESS? Larry Flynt says his comments about a hush-hush
1970 Houston abortion, on a rumored girlfriend of George W. Bush, have
been stifled by the mainstream media. (Flynt claims knowledge of the
identity of the girl, the hospital, etc. He never printed it, "because
she’d deny it; you’d have egg on your face and you’d face a libel
suit.") Still, he’s more concerned with the fact that the media is
ignoring the rumors . . . "My whole focus," said Flynt, "was on the
lack of investigation by the media -- in other words, they never asked
Bush."
The story did get some international play just before the 2000
election in newspapers in England. And that was pretty much the end of
it. Bush claimed the presidency unbesmirched by this particular tale.
Eventually, Flynt decided to include the episode in his book.
The subject first came up at the Weekly, in recent times, when Flynt
stopped by last fall to tout his vanity candidacy for governor during
the campaign to recall Governor Gray Davis. Flynt took advantage of
the interview to promote a proposed initiative that would permit
non-tribal casino gambling -- he owns a casino -- as a way both to get
personally richer and to help solve the state’s budget crisis. An
editor asked offhandedly whatever happened to his investigation into
Bush. That got Flynt going:
"We worked that story for six months," he said. "We had everybody,
including the hospital that performed the abortion, the doctor who did
it, you know, affidavits from four of her friends. You know, we, we
had it all. But at the last minute she stopped cooperating, and this
was just about a month before the election."
Flynt was shooting from the hip, without reviewing his own
investigators’ files. The Weekly asked for documentation, but Flynt
and his representative never provided it, though Flynt did discuss the
matter at length in a late-April interview, after he reviewed his
documentation. His book publicist said there were still libel concerns
regarding the release of original documents. She said she also didn’t
want articles to appear before they could assist book sales. Obtaining
Flynt’s files became less necessary after people directly involved in
the investigation agreed to talk freely and separately about their
work, provided that their names not be disclosed. They were willing to
share the real names, confidentially, of all the persons involved. The
Weekly has not independently verified their accounts, which is why
real names aren’t used here either. But their chronicles are
believable, especially because they acknowledge that they ultimately
failed to deliver the goods. There could be no hedging the evidence on
a story like this, they said, especially when their employer was
Flynt, whose credibility would be questioned.
Even though his book was still months away, Flynt finally couldn’t
contain himself during a February 2004 interview with New York’s Daily
News.
"I’ve talked to the woman’s friends," Flynt is quoted as saying. "I’ve
tracked down the doctor who did the abortion, I tracked down the Bush
people who arranged for the abortion . . . I got the story nailed."
The anecdote got some airing, especially after it was repeated by pop
musician Moby. But the attention came almost entirely from the British
and Australian press. They played it up as an example of mudslinging,
sometimes pairing it with unsubstantiated rumors of a John Kerry
affair.
In 2000, if the story had taken off, would it have mattered? Should it
have mattered?
In the razor-thin 2000 election, it’s hard to deny that anything that
could change votes could have made a difference. Flynt hoped the
abortion account would paint W. as a hypocrite. Bush already looked
every inch a hypocrite to critics who saw him ally with rich corporate
interests, while savaging the poor behind a façade of "compassionate
conservatism."
But Bush supporters see the world and Bush so differently. Many are
drawn by his appeal to traditional values and free enterprise,
regardless of his actual policies. And many of Bush’s die-hard
religious-right supporters had ample reason to forgive Bush, even for
an abortion. His entire story, from their perspective, is one of a
sinner redeemed, the type of soul who can, in an odd way, sometimes
shine brighter than the less fallible person who never required such
redemption. It didn’t matter so much, therefore, if Bush had been a
drunk, if he had used cocaine, if he’d had premarital sex -- if he’d
been the wayward prodigal son. At one level, such behavior made him an
ordinary guy, just like ordinary people everywhere. At another, his
reform underscored his exemplary born-again identity and his
unwavering commitment to conservative Christian values. For many
Christians, Bush stands on the upright side of the before-versus-after
divide intrinsic to a belief system in which a person must be
personally saved from his sins by Jesus. Indeed, to the religious
right, George W. Bush is more the real deal than his better-behaving,
high-achieving father ever was.
How about the fence sitters of 2004? Should the alleged incident
matter to them?
Maybe, but its relevance stacks up weakly compared to that of the Iraq
invasion, the ballooning federal deficit, the erosion of civil
liberties and the ongoing subjugation of environmental protection to
corporate interests. It is with such matters that even Flynt’s own
book is primarily concerned, though he does spare a few words to
discuss his boyhood experience of sex with a chicken.
Flynt’s investigators weren’t bloodhounding this one anecdote alone.
Along the way, they also met with author J.H. Hatfield, who alleged
that, in 1972, George W. Bush was arrested for possession of cocaine
and, with the help of his father, got the charges erased in exchange
for performing community service.
Hatfield cited anonymous sources in his book Fortunate Son: George W.
Bush and the Making of an American President. Hatfield’s first
publisher got cold feet and ultimately destroyed its copies of
Hatfield’s book.
Flynt’s investigators met with Hatfield and repeatedly pressed him for
additional details. They wanted to pursue the story further. But
Hatfield finally stormed out of their meeting. Hatfield died, an
apparent suicide, in July 2001.
The researchers also checked out rumors of a Bush cocaine binge in the
early 1990s that were called into Flynt. If true, it would mean Bush
lied about when he’d given up drugs. When asked in 1999 about drug
use, Bush was quoted as saying, "As I understand it, the current [FBI]
form asks the question, ‘Did somebody use drugs within the last seven
years?’ and I will be glad to answer that question, and the answer is
no." He also said, "Not only could I pass the background check of the
standards applied in today’s White House, I could have passed the
background check on the standards applied on the most stringent
conditions when my dad was president of the United States, a 15-year
period."
Once again, the researchers came up with nothing that met journalistic
standards of proof, although their entire chasing-Bush experience
would make a heck of a plot for a buddy movie.
"Flynt was interested mainly in two things: pussy and drugs," noted
one researcher, who now considers that preoccupation quaint and
ironic. "Here we were looking at Bush’s personal life and the whole
Enron scandal was happening right under our noses."
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Psalm 110
Bush Pal SUN MYUNG MOON's Nuke Subs to Terrorist State
The issue is NOT purple hearts in Viet Nam, but Black Hearts in
Washington D.C.
George Bush buddy Sun Myung Moon gave nuclear weapons submarine
sea-launch technology to North Korea in 1994.
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Nukes.html
SUN MYUNG MOON gave North Korea NUKE DELIVERY SYSTEMS in 1994.
Sun Myung Moon's Japanese Toen Trading company delivered 12 Russian
Golf missile submarines with launch tubes intact. The North Korean
communists studied this technology and adapted their missiles to be
sea launched from surface and submarine platforms. North Korea now has
nuclear weapon strike capability which can reach the continental
United States from sea-based mobile launch facilities at distances of
2,500 miles. This website has clickable links to Sun Myung Moon
subversion sources, documentation, proof.
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Nukes.html
LINKS -- NK sea-missile capability: http://www.navyseals.com
http://www.janes.com http://www.reuters.co.uk http://news.bbc.co.uk
http://www.washingtontimes.com http://www.newscientist.com
http://www.townhall.com http://www.freerepublic.com
http://www.libertyforum.org http://www.theage.com.au
http://www.iht.com http://www.latimes.com
LINKS -- North Korean-born Sun Myung Moon's Toen Trading Submarine
Subversion: http://www.freerepublic.com http://www.usasurvival.org
http://www.gorenfeld.net http://www.davidicke.net
http://blog.mmadsen.org http://www.kenlayne.com
http://www.pandagon.net http://jameswagner.com
http://functionalambivalent.typepad.com http://www.la-mancha.net
http://windsofchange.net http://thoughtcrimes.org http://www.vuw.ac.nz
Sun Myung Moon owns the Washington Times newspaper, and he owns the
UPI (United Press International) wireservice. He controls the main
Washington DC conservative propaganda mill. The Washington Times has
been subsidized by over a billion dollars of moonie slave labor. Every
time that a republican politician quotes the Washington Times, or
writes an article or op-ed in it, Sun Myung Moon is made larger in his
brainwashed follower's eyes. Conservatives are so desperate for
propaganda for their agenda that they willingly aid and abet Sun Myung
Moon's organized crime activities in exchange for the help his
organized crime front operations deliver to them.
Sun Myung Moon has paid ex-presidents, such as George Herbert Walker
Bush up to $10,000,000 for photo-op and endorsements, because his
virtually captive followers have very restricted access to news. They
are told that everybody Moon shakes hands with has accepted Moon as
their lord and savior. This global slave labor force replenishes a $10
million expense for faked stage setting photo-op in a couple of days.
LINKS about Moonies, Bush, Washinton Times connections:
The Moonies: Everything you wanted to know about Sun Myung Moon and
the Unification Church
Moonie and Related Links
* The Right Wing Media Conspiracy - How the Moonies and right wing
groups control the media
* Moonies and the Washington Times - The mouthpiece of Sun Myung
Moon
* Is George Bush a Moonie? - Bush takes $100,000 to endorse the
Moonies
* Inside Look at the Moonies - Great article I snagged
* Moonie Front Organizations - 1000 organization that are Moonie
fronts
* Consortium News - Very good articles about Moonies and other
right wingers
* Bush and Moon - US CIA and Korean CIA?? GHW Bush Praises Sun
Myung Moon as 'Man of Vision'
* Sun Myung Moon - "the Savior, Messiah and King of Kings of all
of humanity"
* The Bush-Kim-Moon Triangle of Money - the political largesse of
Sun Myung Moon.
Sun Myung Moon crowned as Second Coming in DC
The news of a very strange event that occurred at the end of March,
but was quietly swept under the carpet by the mainstream media, is
just now beginning to leak out. Expect to hear more about it in the
coming days. Here's a preview on what surely must be one of the most
bizarre happenings in the long history of Congressional oddities...
It occurred on March 23, 2004 when Reverend Sun Myung Moon, cultist
leader of the Unification Church (currently known as The Family
Federation for World Peace and Unification), was crowned "King of
Peace" in a coronation ceremony. In his coronation speech, Moon told
the audience that it was now time to officially recognize him as the
returned Messiah.
LINKS:
Moon Crowned in the Capital, [Unification Church] Sun Myung Moon
Crowned 'King Of America' At U.S. Senate Building, Hail to the Moon
king, Moon Over Washington, Sun Myung Moon Crowned Messiah By
Congressmen, Sun Myung Moon crowned as Messiah by U.S. Senate! Moonie
leader 'crowned' in Senate, Sun Myung Moon Crowned Messiah! U.S.
Lawmakers Crown rev. Sun Myung Moon Messiah! Here's a guy the
Republicans don't want us to know about. (Actually, it was a democrat
conservative, to the great relief of republican conservatives, who
placed the crown on Moon, in this hoax ceremony. In Moon's world he
replaces all governments with his Taliban, so Republicans and
Democrats all will be liquidated.
The quaint mass marriage ceremonies of the Moonies has another
significance: these represent thousands upon thousand upon thousands
of members of an organized crime empire, as dedicated as body-bomb
suicide muslims, to the eccentric whims of this visibly insane man.
Moonies surreptitiously swell rallies for rightwing causes, clog the
internet forums with their unshakable propaganda-mongering which
cannot be reasoned with, vote as a block and move across state lines
to do it. They even move across international boundaries to meddle in
politics.
Moonies also collaborate with other organized crime rings for mutal
profit.
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Koctopus_01.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Killer_David_Koch.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/CSE_Organized_Crime.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Corrupt_CFACT.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Seitz_Tobacco_Crimes.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Singer-Nightline.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Singer-1993-1994.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Singer-Seitz.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Stohrer-Singer.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Hazeltine-Singer.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Heidelberg-Appeal.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Corrupt_Sallie_Baliunas.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Walter_Williams_AdTI.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Corrupt_Richard_S_Lindzen.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/ADTI_Frauds_01.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/AdTI_Villians.htm
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Pelosi.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Becky_Norton_Dunlop_AdTI.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Confronting_AdTI.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Chrispeels.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Corrupt_Idsos.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Corrupt_Fred_Michel.html
Psalm 110
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<si...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>This book is a phony fabrication by the secret Bush,Jr campaign.
>It has no basis in relity.
>Same old Republican dirty tricks crap
>
Harry
> "Sid9, Liberal" <si...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:8JKSc.191$rj...@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
> > Nada wrote:
> > > The title of a new book titled "Kerry, Unfit for Command" answers
> > > that question in the affirmative.
> > >
> > > The following article on this book appears on the NewsMax website:
> > >
> > > http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/8/4/134116.shtml
> >
> > The following is information about the disreputable authors of this
> Bush,Jr
> > sponsered smear:
> >
>
>
> Hmmm, can't refute the charges made in the book, so you have to go for the
> lame shoot the messenger stuff huh Skid?
Hmmm, can't refute the fact that all these guys have long records of
working with the RNC or going public with long screeds against Kerry
for telling the truth about the Vietnam war in '72, so you have to go
for the lame shoot the messenger stuff, huh?
Talking with you folks in alt.fan.rush-limbaugh is getting to be kinda
boring, you know? I read something I don't like, I assume it's a lie,
and by gawd, if I read it in here, it turns out to be a lie.
You guys lie about everything! All the time! Every topic, every
opportunity, every occasion, every subject! With complete and utter
consistancy, 100% lies, and least you think I'm engaging in hyperbole
(look it up, dittoheads!), I ask, again, as I have asked
previously.....
Does anyone have ONE example of a person in a policy-making position
within the Cheney-Lay administration making ONE TRUE STATEMENT on ANY
SUBJECT EVER?
Georgie-Boy admitting he had dragged the US into a war crime when he
admitted "Iraq wasn't an imminent threat" doesn't count. It was true,
but Georgie doesn't have a policy making position in the
administration.
It's no fun anymore. I used to have look this stuff up. Now I just
know...if it came from you, it's a lie.
Ashland Henderson
> Kerry is probably a nice rich guy who would have made an ideal president
> after the Civil War.
Who can say?
> Kerry is much too cerebral a nerd to run a war of the significance of the
> ongoing, and still unfinished, war against expansionist moslem terrorists.
> He couldn't even decide if he was for, or against, killing communists in
> Vietnam.
Pure crap. Sorry, but your apparent opinion that war should be left to
the not-too-bright is remarkably stupid.
> Wishy-washy flip-flopping, and over-thinking options to the point of
> indecision just won't hack it in a world-wide altercation that pits highly
> motivated, single-minded religious extremists against a presidential
> candidate who can't even decide if he was for, or against, a simple
> quasi-religious war like the Vietnam War.
Wishy-washy and flip-flopping are two things that describe Bush remarkably
well. I admit I would never accuse him of over-thinking anything. Beyond that,
your view of what is needed for the country is pretty wierd.
> He doesn't have that luxury anymore.
Why?
> The name of the game our presidents will be required to play will be swift,
> brutal, death-dealing for the foreseeable future. If you don't believe that,
> just wait to see what the national response will be when the nutcases pull
> off something equal to, or more spectacular than the World Trade Center
Some hard decisions may have to be made and quickly. I'd prefer someone
who has actually seen combat and demonstrated such ability. Bush doesn't
even come close.
> Communism was, and still is, a form of religion - complete with it's own
> forms of popes, cardinals, clergy and peons. The names may have changed, but
> the universal, unforgiving truth is that the eager-beaver morons at the
> bottom of the heap still provide the cannon fodder under the direction of
> the ever-present leaders who know what is best for everyone else.
While the disgression about communism is interesting and more or less correct
the real meat is in the discussion of the eager-beaver morons. I find it
interesting to see you voice your real opinion of the military, not to mention
of your political idols. Nice to see you telling the truth for once.
> Kerry might have been the ideal patrician warrior at one point in his
> career, but the job now calls for someone who won't lose any sleep over
> killing whole populations, especially as it becomes more evident and
> necessary that they need killing.
Sorry, the world isn't given over to barbarism. People who lose no sleep
over killing whole populations have existed. We do not admire them in
history and the long-term record of the people who follow them is not
good. Your desire for all-knowing leaders you can worship is noted. Once
more the truth of what you believe comes out.
> Flipping, or flopping ain't gonna be an option once he has to push the
> button.
Then let's get Bush out and someone with brains in.
james
Sid9, Liberal <si...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>Silver star, Bronze star, three Purple hearts....
>volunteered to go into battle while Bush,Jr
>was cowering under a bar stool
List the other members of Congress with a purple heart!
james
Docky Wocky <mrc...@lst.net> wrote:
>Kerry is probably a nice rich guy who would have made an ideal president
>after the Civil War.
Spoken like someone who doesn't realize the Civil War ended already.
Psalm 110
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Nukes.html
The MOONIE Taliban is no better than Al Qaeda's Taliban. Sun Myung
Moon owns Washington Times Newspaper and is throwing gasoline on this
"Swift Boats" non-story. The REAL STORY is MOON gave nuclear
sea-launch technology intact to North Korea. This is BACKSHOOTING
AMERICA. This NOW. This is FUTURE THREAT, not 30-year-old penny-ante.
This is BUSH's FRIEND and CAMPAIGN HELPER.
Anyone who helps MOON advance his Taliban agenda is a MOONIE.
Everybody who writes for WASHINGTON TIMES is a MOONIE. Everybody who
circulates WashTimes propaganda is a MOONIE. They are Al Qaeda in our
midst. http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Nukes.html
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Relaxification
> > >> Liberal Divide wrote:
> > >>> "Sid9, Liberal" <si...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> > >>> news:8JKSc.191$rj...@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
> > >>>> Nada wrote:
> > >>>>> The title of a new book titled "Kerry, Unfit for Command" answers
> > >>>>> that question in the affirmative.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> The following article on this book appears on the NewsMax website:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/8/4/134116.shtml
> > >>>>
> > >>>> The following is information about the disreputable authors of this
> > >>>> Bush,Jr sponsered smear:
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Hmmm, can't refute the charges made in the book, so you have to go
> > >>> for the lame shoot the messenger stuff huh Skid?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > > You can post things you don't like about the authors personal lives
> > > the book?
> >
> >
> > You and they have no credibility.
> > At least they get paid for their work.
> >
>
> So in other words you can't refute the charges made in the book.
>
> Your concession is noted.
He didn't concede. The fact that you're an asshole is noted.
hank
He made a joke out of our boys in nam...and REAL heros...
hank
............................................
Liberal Divide" <libe...@dividingthecountry.com> wrote in message news:<JuLSc.293202$XM6.117192@attbi_s53>...
> "Sid9, Liberal" <si...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
Sid9, Liberal
Liberal Divide
"Relaxification" <relaxif...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:dae65ca5.04081...@posting.google.com...
And still no refutation as to the charges..........
"The Right One"
> Frenchurian Candidate John F*ing Kerry wrote:
> > "Sid9, Liberal" <si...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> > news:3hMSc.221$rj....@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
> >> Liberal Divide wrote:
> >>> "Sid9, Liberal" <si...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> >>> news:8JKSc.191$rj...@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
> >>>> Nada wrote:
> >>>>> The title of a new book titled "Kerry, Unfit for Command" answers
> >>>>> that question in the affirmative.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The following article on this book appears on the NewsMax website:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/8/4/134116.shtml
> >>>>
> >>>> The following is information about the disreputable authors of this
> >>>> Bush,Jr sponsered smear:
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Hmmm, can't refute the charges made in the book, so you have to go
> >>> for the lame shoot the messenger stuff huh Skid?
> >>
> >> You fear the truth so you delete it:
> >>
> >
> > Is Kerry's Dr that refused to give Kerry a Purple Heart a " Bush smear
> > operative" too ?
> >
> >
> > May 04, 2004, 4:26 p.m.
> > Kerry Purple Heart Doc Speaks Out
> > The medical description of his first wound.
> >
> > By Byron York
> >
> > Some critics of Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry have
> > questioned the circumstances surrounding the first of three Purple
> > Hearts Kerry won in Vietnam. Those critics, among them some of
> > Kerry's fellow veterans, have suggested that a wound suffered by
> > Kerry in December 1968 may have made him technically eligible for a
> > Purple Heart but was not severe enough to warrant serious
> > consideration, even for a decoration that was handed out by the
> > thousands. Whatever the case, Kerry was awarded the Purple Heart,
> > and, along with two others he won later, it allowed him to request to
> > leave Vietnam before his tour of duty was finished.
> >
> > Kerry was treated for the wound at a medical facility in Cam Ranh
> > Bay. The doctor who treated Kerry, Louis Letson, is today a retired
> > general practitioner in Alabama. Letson says he remembers his brief
> > encounter with Kerry 35 years ago because "some of his crewmen
> > related that Lt. Kerry had told them that he would be the next JFK
> > from Massachusetts." Letson says that last year, as the Democratic
> > campaign began to heat up, he told friends that he remembered
> > treating one of the candidates many years ago. In response to their
> > questions, Letson says, he wrote down his recollections of the time.
> > (Letson says he has had no contacts with anyone from the Bush
> > campaign or the Republican party.) What follows is Letson's memory,
> > as he wrote it.
> >
> > I have a very clear memory of an incident which occurred while I was
> > the Medical Officer at Naval Support Facility, Cam Ranh Bay.
> >
> > John Kerry was a (jg), the OinC or skipper of a Swift boat, newly
> > arrived in Vietnam. On the night of December 2, he was on patrol
> > north of Cam Ranh, up near Nha Trang area. The next day he came to
> > sick bay, the medical facility, for treatment of a wound that had
> > occurred that night.
> >
> > The story he told was different from what his crewmen had to say
> > about that night. According to Kerry, they had been engaged in a fire
> > fight, receiving small arms fire from on shore. He said that his
> > injury resulted from this enemy action.
> >
> > Some of his crew confided that they did not receive any fire from
> > shore, but that Kerry had fired a mortar round at close range to some
> > rocks on shore. The crewman thought that the injury was caused by a
> > fragment ricocheting from that mortar round when it struck the rocks.
> >
> > That seemed to fit the injury which I treated.
> >
> > What I saw was a small piece of metal sticking very superficially in
> > the skin of Kerry's arm. The metal fragment measured about 1 cm. in
> > length and was about 2 or 3 mm in diameter. It certainly did not look
> > like a round from a rifle.
> >
> > I simply removed the piece of metal by lifting it out of the skin with
> > forceps. I doubt that it penetrated more than 3 or 4 mm. It did not
> > require probing to find it, did not require any anesthesia to remove
> > it, and did not require any sutures to close the wound.
> >
> > The wound was covered with a bandaid.
> >
> > Not [sic] other injuries were reported and I do not recall that there
> > was any reported damage to the boat.
>
>
> Tell us about Bush,Jr;s wounds and battle action.....make sure you give us
> the names of the bars
>
How about Clinton's wounds?
Oh right that was only lipstick on his dork.
--
Terry Pearson
http://www.rightpoint.org
You can easily tell a liberal.
He's the one that's politically
crippled.
>
Sid9, Liberal
Is he running for office?
I thought Bush,Jr, loser, liar, and coward is running
Psalm 110
Psalm 110
Psalm 110
<libe...@dividingthecountry.com> wrote:
>And still no refutation as to the charges..........
Want to talk about backshooters? George Bush buddy Sun Myung Moon gave
nuclear weapons submarine sea-launch technology to North Korea in
1994.
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Nukes.html
http://home.earthlink.net/~zkkatz/page76.html
Sun Myung Moon owns WASHINGTON TIMES NEWSPAPER
Here's a guy the Republicans don't want us to know about.
The Reverend Sun Myung Moon, head of the Unification Church and a
self-declared Messiah from South Korea, is a major behind-the-scenes
GOP player. His organization owns The Washington Times, the
right-wing newspaper Ronald Reagan once called his favorite. Moon
said he has pumped over $1 billion into the paper since the Church
bought it in 1982. Those poor Moonies had to sell a lot of flowers!
http://home.earthlink.net/~zkkatz/page18.html
Most folks recognize Moon as a dangerous cult leader who has
recruited, brainwashed, and enslaved thousands of unsuspecting
students from college campuses since the 1970s.
They also remember the mass weddings he conducted at Yankee and RFK
stadiums where thousands of couples were brought together. Critics
say church officials arranged the marriages to circumvent American
immigration laws.
Moon controls a multibillion dollar tax-free business empire. In the
mid-1980s, he served a year in prison for tax evasion. A lesser
known fact is that his business operations have competed for, and
received, government contracts worth millions of dollars. No
ordinary commercial operation can compete with a Moonie shop because
you can't beat the low cost of slave labor.
Moon says he's the only person in the world who knows all the secrets
of God. Well, isn't he smart? He says he's been the Messiah ever
since he ran into Jesus in Korea in 1936. He says Jesus asked him to
take over the mission -- the one Moon says Jesus screwed up because He
didn't get married.
Moon continues his lifelong pursuit of recognition -- to be crowned
the new world Messiah. But he has often complained, "look, I'm doing
my best to be the Messiah. You try to be the Messiah." Look,
Moonpie -- Jesus never bitched about it, so clam up!
Moon came to the U.S. in the early 1970s. His organization is said
to be not religious, but political. It has connections to South
Korean intelligence operations designed to bolster the U.S. commitment
to Seoul in case North Korea invades. His clout in Washington
increased substantially during the Reagan administration because both
Reagan and Moon are rabid anti-Communists.
He has given millions of dollars to a number of Republicans. Paid
speakers at his Family Federation for World Peace have included George
Bush, William Bennett, Jack Kemp, and Ralph Reed. In the early
1990s, his organization funneled millions to Jerry Falwell's Liberty
University when it was facing staggering debts.
http://home.earthlink.net/~zkkatz/page19.html
http://home.earthlink.net/~zkkatz/page31.html
http://home.earthlink.net/~zkkatz/page53.html
http://home.earthlink.net/~zkkatz/page75.html
And Moon has strange ideas about sex. He's been married four times,
but his followers say the first three marriages were not consummated
and thus do not count.
Moon once told a conference that misunderstandings about male and
female sex organs have led to confusion. He said his theology
dictates that the husband owns his wife's sex organs, and vice versa.
So if my wife wants to castrate me, that's her right?
And where does he stand on family values? In 1998, his
daughter-in-law, Nansook Hong, told 60 Minutes that Moon had cheated
on his wife and fathered an illegitimate son. She said he called it
"providential affairs." That Moon's got a fancy word for everything,
especially when he's been doing something naughty.
Nansook also told of a brutal beating she got from her
drug-and-alcohol-addicted husband when she was pregnant. Moon and
his wife blamed her, saying it was her fate to suffer. Her fate?
Well, screw that! So Nansook fled Moon's high-security compound in
Tarrytown, New York, along with her five children.
Moon also has an estranged daughter, Un-Jin. She supports her
sister-in-law's story.
And this guy says he's the new Messiah. Yeah, right.
Psalm 110
Psalm 110
Bush Pal SUN MYUNG MOON's Nuke Subs to Terrorist State
The issue is NOT purple hearts in Viet Nam, but Black Hearts in
Washington D.C.
George Bush buddy Sun Myung Moon gave nuclear weapons submarine
sea-launch technology to North Korea in 1994.
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Nukes.html
"The Right One"
Kerry got sent home because he was a nuisance
who was endangering his men as well as himself
I'd hardly call that a war hero let alone
someone who wants to become a commander in chief.
Bush a coward? Now that's a laugh.
BTW what did he lie about?
hank
Wow...does anybody else know about this?
We should tell...
hank
..........................................
Liberal Divide
"Psalm 110" <Last...@ByeBye.org> wrote in message
> On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 00:45:29 GMT, "Liberal Divide"
> <libe...@dividingthecountry.com> wrote:
>
>
> >And still no refutation as to the charges..........
>
> Want to talk about backshooters?
The discussion is about Kerry. If you can comply with the subject line
fine, if not, start another thread.
Ipgay AcilbuperNay
> The title of a new book titled "Kerry, Unfit for Command" answers
> that question in the affirmative.
>
> The following article on this book appears on the NewsMax website:
>
> http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/8/4/134116.shtml
Geez, now THERE's pure evidence that the whole book is a goddam massive
LIE - a chapter on NewsMAX!!
What next? Ann Coulter agreeing with it?
--
"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful.
And so are we..
Our enemies never stop thinking about ways to harm our country and our
people.
And neither do we.."
-George W. Bush, August 5, 2002
Relaxification
When the charges are refuted you will still be an asshole.
Liberal Divide
I'm an asshole because I'm good at exposing liberal bullshit.....Is that it?
Start telling the truth - then I'm not such an asshole......
Rico
>Thanks for the lead....Kerry, a quick thinker, made a decisive, correct
>move:
Bush based on past performance would have stood there reading a childrens
book for 7 minutes before doing anything.
>
>"Former GOP Sen. Hecht owes life to Democratic candidate Kerry
>By Kirsten Searer
>LAS VEGAS SUN
>
>Former U.S. Sen. Chic Hecht of Nevada is a staunch Republican, but he thanks
>his lucky stars for Democratic presidential hopeful Sen. John Kerry of
>Massachusetts.
>
>On July 12, 1988, Hecht was attending a weekly Republican luncheon when a
>piece of apple lodged firmly in his throat.
>
>Hecht stumbled out of the room, thinking he might vomit but not wanting to
>do it in front of his colleagues. Sen. Kit Bond, R-Mo., thumped his back,
>but Hecht quickly passed out in the hallway.
>
>Just then, Kerry stepped off an elevator, rushed to Hecht's side and gave
>him the Heimlich maneuver -- four times.
>
>The lifesaving incident made international news, and Dr. Henry Heimlich, who
>invented the maneuver in 1974, called Hecht to say that had Kerry intervened
>just 30 seconds later Hecht might have been in a vegetative state for life.
>
>"This man gave me my life," the 75-year-old Hecht said Thursday.
>
>Hecht said he was amazed that Kerry acted so quickly -- some people were
>assuming that he was having a heart attack.
>
>"He knew exactly what to do," he said. "But a lot of people know what to do.
>They just don't size up the situation immediately."
>
>The story has a twist of irony: Hecht was up for re-election that year, and
>Kerry, who was serving as the chairman of the Democratic Senatorial Campaign
>Committee, had pegged Hecht as one of the most vulnerable Republican seats.
>
>Indeed, the Democratic nominee for Hecht's seat, then-Gov. Richard Bryan,
>beat Hecht, who served just one term in office.
>
>"Only in America can this happen, where he's working against me to get me
>defeated and then saves my life," Hecht said.
>
>Hecht, who prides himself on having one of the most conservative records on
>the books during his six years in the Senate, said he and his wife, Gail,
>see politics as "a secondary issue" when it comes to Kerry."
>
>
>Rico wrote:
>> In article
>> <geKSc.17480$x7h....@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>, Nada
>> <na...@dizum.com> wrote:
>>> The title of a new book titled "Kerry, Unfit for Command" answers
>>> that question in the affirmative.
>>>
>>> The following article on this book appears on the NewsMax website:
>>>
>>> http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/8/4/134116.shtml
>>
>> Former U.S. Sen. Chic Hecht of Nevada, might diagree. Plug him into
>> Google
>> and find out about the time Kerry saved his life by taking immediate
>> and
>> deecissive action.
>>
>> fundamentalism, fundamentally wrong.
>
>
fundamentalism, fundamentally wrong.
Psalm 110
<libe...@dividingthecountry.com> wrote:
>The discussion is about Kerry. If you can comply with the subject line
>fine, if not, start another thread.
>
And you can do what if I spit in your eye?
I am sure that every person concerned about the details of a wound 30
years ago is interested in getting down to the bedrock truth about
George Bush's Lord and Personal Savior "Sun Myung Moon". I am sure
your demand to know all the truth about both candidates will lead you
to make a full and complete investigation of North Korea-born Moon's
turning over nuclear sea-launch capability to North Korea. I am sure
you will make this a FRONT PAGE priority, as nuclear weapons systems
parts are more important than purple hearts.
We want both candidates to be fully disclosing about every campaign
ally that has aided the North Koreans to get nuclear sea-launch
nuclear missile capability that can hit the USA. We are the
"Sea-Launched Nukes Aimed Against the USA Vets for Truth".
Connected: George W. Bush, Sun Myung Moon, Washington Times
Sample pages of the Washington Times involved in the George W. Bush
campaign by long-time Bush funder Sun Myung Moon. MOON gave nuclear
weapons submarine sea-launch technology to North Korea.
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Nukes.html
GOOGLE.COM Results 1,800 for "Washington Times" "Sun Myung Moon"
"George W. Bush"
GOOGLE.COM Results 12,100 for Sun Myung Moon Owns Washington Times.
GOOGLE.COM Results 332 from www.washingtontimes.com
+www.washingtontimes.com "George W. Bush"
Hating and waiting is not winning - The Washington Times ...
... First of all, you need to understand that Americans do not hate
George W. Bush. ... And yes, you are entirely within your rights to
hate George W. Bush. ...
Sun Myung Moon Owns Washington Times
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... students erupted with applause and cheers. They were cheering for
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Psalm 110
(Relaxification) wrote:
>> > > So in other words you can't refute the charges made in the book.
>> > >
>> > > Your concession is noted.
>> >
>> > He didn't concede. The fact that you're an asshole is noted.
>>
>> And still no refutation as to the charges..........
>
>When the charges are refuted you will still be an asshole.
I am sure that every person concerned about the details of a wound 30
Psalm 110
<libe...@dividingthecountry.com> wrote:
>I'm an asshole
Psalm 110
<nosoc...@hatelefties.con> wrote:
>How about Clinton's wounds?
>Oh right that was only lipstick on his dork.
Sun Myung Moon, the Washington Times, is the proof that Bush is a fake
Christian. No Christian can accept Sun Myung Moon's declaration he is
messiah and "King of Kings". In the context that Moon is NOT SHUNNED
and is not taken to task for selling nuclear sub technology to North
Korea, it means that the Bush abortion story must be considered.
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Nukes.html
The gist of the story is Bush drove his underage mexican mistress to
the abortionist and paid the fee. The mistress in question was moved
to an expensive new home during the investigation and now declines to
testify. Friends of the mistress signed affidavits (you know, like the
kind of affidavits the Swift Boat vets signed).
http://www.laweekly.com/ink/04/30/news-blume.php
JUNE 18 - 24, 2004
The Texas Abortion Tango
The unproven scandal that could have sunk George W. Bush
by Howard Blume
In the winter of the Clinton impeachment, Larry Flynt, the publisher
of Hustler magazine, was a pornographer on a mission -- determined to
dig up sex scandals on the Republicans who’d come after Clinton. It
wasn’t that Flynt was suddenly against sex or even scandalous sex ,
but that he considered the anti-Clinton ringmasters to be cynical,
partisan opportunists -- hypocrites who decried Clinton as morally
unfit while being less fit themselves.
In December 1998, shortly before the impeachment trial, Flynt nailed
incoming Republican House Speaker Robert L. Livingston, who resigned
rather than endure Flynt’s public airing of multiple extramarital
affairs. Flynt also contributed to the downfall of anti-Clinton attack
dog Bob Barr, the Georgia Republican who was a House manager for the
impeachment. Barr lost a re-election bid after revelations about his
alleged adultery -- and about how he allegedly paid for an abortion
for one of his wives, even though he later referred to abortion as
murder while in Congress.
Flynt helped wound but did not end the political careers of
Representatives Dan Burton (out-of-wedlock child) and Henry Hyde (over
a "youthful indiscretion" -- Hyde’s words -- with a married woman that
lasted into his 40s). In some of these cases, Flynt’s role was to
publicize information first unearthed elsewhere.
Eventually, Flynt set his sights on the biggest prize, George W. Bush,
once again offering up to a million dollars for definitive dirt. He
sent investigative reporters to the heart of Texas, first in 1999.
They would look into an allegation that in 1971, George Bush, then
about 25 years old, got a girlfriend pregnant and paid for her illegal
abortion. Flynt got tantalizingly close to documenting such an
episode, but never confirmed enough to justify a press conference. He
would have loved to prove it. Flynt’s hatred of Bush is both visceral
and principled. He’s a bona fide supporter of First Amendment rights
and mainstream Democratic principles, and is commercially pragmatic --
he knows that Bush and his anti-sin crowd would shut down Flynt’s
business if they could.
So what was Flynt to do on the eve of the 2000 presidential election?
Lacking proof, Flynt instead dropped broad hints about the alleged
abortion. He didn’t name names -- other than Bush’s -- because his
lawyer told him he risked a libel suit from the woman in question. The
mainstream press chose to ignore the story -- which is a story in
itself.
Flynt’s account finally gets told in the book Sex, Lies & Politics:
The Naked Truth, scheduled to hit shelves late this month. Flynt
avoids risk of libel by keeping the players anonymous and by avoiding
flat-out claims. He offers instead an account of the investigation.
Flynt provided additional information in interviews with the Weekly,
as did people involved in the investigation, who spoke off the record.
The Texas tango remains something of a page turner. In 2000, Flynt
thought the revelation, if true, ought to push some voters away from
Bush based on what it revealed about his character. The alleged events
of 1971 do say something about the privileges and purview of Bush and
his family and, courtesy of Flynt and some of those involved in the
investigation, you get to read it here first.
"Back in 2000, I got a phone call from an attorney from Houston,"
begins Flynt in a passage about two-thirds of the way through his
book. "He represented a woman we’ll call ‘Susan,’ who supposedly could
prove that, back in the early ’70s, George W. Bush had arranged an
abortion for his girlfriend."
Flynt was immediately interested; here was ammunition to sink Bush in
an election too close to call. It would be damning enough for Bush to
have arranged an abortion, but, even worse, abortion was illegal in
1971, before the Roe v. Wade Supreme Court decision. Laws didn’t stop
abortions, of course, though they did make them dangerous and even
life-threatening for most women. The wealthy or well-connected were
frequently luckier; they could often find doctors willing to perform
abortions safely in a hospital or clinic setting. That is what
allegedly happened here.
All of this mattered in the year 2000 because "Bush was successfully
slipping past allegations of cocaine use, drunk driving and being a
useless rich boy," writes Flynt. "But arranging for an abortion was a
more serious matter. Bush’s own supporters said that abortion is
murder."
At the time, in 1971, Bush had been living for about two years in the
Chateaux Dijon apartment complex, a Houston gathering place and party
scene for the young and beautiful as well as the offspring of the rich
and politically potent. Bush was three years out of Yale, where he’d
been an unremarkable student. Soon after graduating, he’d joined the
Texas Air National Guard, an escape valve for sons of the powerful
seeking to avoid service in Vietnam.
The National Guard experience has been covered extensively elsewhere;
long-established evidence suggests Bush jumped a lengthy waiting list
to get in, with helpful intervention from friends of his father. The
elder Bush, who became president in 1988, was prominent even then.
He’d been elected to the U.S. House of Representatives in 1966 and
served as ambassador to the United Nations from 1971 to 1972, after
losing a 1970 race for the Senate. Papa Bush also had a background as
a Texas oilman.
The young George W. Bush of the 1970s was a partier, a drinker and --
by his own hints in later remarks -- a recreational-drug user. There’s
long been speculation that he might have skipped a mandatory National
Guard physical, in August 1972, to avoid a possible drug test. There’s
also doubt about whether he actually completed his service in the
Guard.
But that’s getting ahead of the story. In 1971, according to the
account, an "agitated" young Bush supposedly called an older family
friend. (Flynt calls the friend by the made-up name "Clyde.") Bush
allegedly confessed that he’d gotten his girlfriend pregnant. It was
natural that Bush would call Clyde, because Clyde had been "loosely
assigned to keep the family black sheep, young W., out of trouble," as
Flynt puts it.
Flynt’s source, "Susan," told Flynt’s investigators that she was
Clyde’s girlfriend at the time. She said she was in the room when the
call came from Bush. Clyde allegedly told Bush he’d take care of it,
which meant arranging for an abortion. Susan named the hospital, and
she named the doctor.
Flynt’s researchers found the doctor and confronted him. The doctor
denied having performed an abortion, they reported to Flynt, but oddly
enough, he did remember the woman from his own social visits to
Chateaux Dijon. He described her "as the best-looking woman" who
showed up for parties at the apartment complex.
"My reporters were unable to gain any evidence from the hospital,"
writes Flynt. "The institution had been sold several times over the
years and their records were spotty."
Flynt’s account is seconded by some of those involved in the
investigation. Flynt’s researchers spent about three months total in
Texas trying to obtain documentary confirmation. In interviews with
the Weekly, sources who took part in the investigation supplied
details not in Flynt’s soon-to-be-published account. They told, for
example, how his investigators tracked down Bush’s former girlfriend.
They say the woman acknowledged, through her husband, that she had
dated Bush for six months. But she also insisted to a friend (who
spoke with Flynt’s investigators) that she and Bush never had sex. She
said to the same friend that she’d been in the hospital for a dilation
and curettage, or D&C, which is surgery involving a scraping of the
wall of the uterus. It was a common form of doctor-supervised abortion
in the early 1970s. But the woman maintained that her D&C was not an
abortion, but for another medical purpose. A D&C is sometimes
performed after a miscarriage or in non-pregnant women who have
abnormal bleeding, fibroids or polyps.
In other words, the researchers found intriguing circumstantial
support, but no proof. The investigators then tried a different tack.
"Susan, in an effort to jump-start the investigation, contacted Clyde,
told him that some reporters were bugging her about the incident, and
asked for his help," writes Flynt. "She told us that he first casually
denied any knowledge of what she was talking about, then in a later
conversation, threatened her and told her to keep her mouth shut."
In interviews with the Weekly, Flynt said he is convinced that the
former Bush girlfriend had been bought off. He said that before his
investigation, the woman had a low-wage job and her husband was
unemployed. After his researchers started poking around, said Flynt,
the husband emerged with a well-paid federal law-enforcement job and
the family moved into an expensive house in a Texas resort area.
That’s not exactly how some others involved in the investigation
analyzed the evidence. The husband was a veteran law-enforcement
officer, they said. In other words, it was neither peculiar nor
improper that he would hold a job with a federal law-enforcement
agency. In addition, the couple was not demonstrably living beyond
their economic means. The woman’s husband also seemed surprised to
hear about his wife’s alleged 1971 trip to the hospital when
confronted, the sources said. This reaction was inconsistent with
having been bought off.
You get the sense that Flynt wanted the story out so desperately that
his own remembering became a bit skewed. He did, however, ask his
researchers to fact-check the details that actually appear in the
book. And the allegation about the woman being paid off is not in
there.
The researchers finally told Flynt they felt they could take the
investigation no further. "They said they didn’t want to waste my
money," said Flynt in an interview, "and I appreciated that."
As one person directly involved in this investigation said to the
Weekly, "Circumstantially, the story made a lot of sense, but none of
the major figures were really talking."
Flynt hoped the national media would take the matter further, perhaps
by launching their own probes, or even by just asking Bush a pointed
question during a press conference. Flynt called Tim Russert of NBC
News, which sent a reporter to Flynt’s office to look over his
material. This reporter, said Flynt in an interview, was David Bloom,
the same reporter who died of a pulmonary embolism at age 39 while
covering the war in Iraq in April 2003. Flynt said Bloom declined to
pick up the baton. "He said, ‘Larry, I just can’t do it. Something
like this could change the outcome of the election.’"
An NBC spokeswoman essentially confirmed Flynt’s account in an
e-mailed response to a series of questions. "No discussion about the
substance of the rumor took place with Mr. Russert," said Barbara
Levin. Flynt "contacted Mr. Russert, NBC News’ Washington Bureau
Chief, and as is often the case, Russert simply passed the information
on to a reporter to follow up. As you note, David Bloom did follow up
and used his editorial judgment that the rumor was not solid enough to
go with a story." Levin commented that Flynt "called several news
organizations, including NBC News," but she declined to address why
NBC reporters elected not to question Bush about the subject.
An exasperated Flynt decided to get the message out himself, though
time was running short. Howard Stern interviewed him, but the segment
ran only once, writes Flynt, on Stern’s live show. He also appeared on
KROQ-FM’s Kevin and Bean Morning Show in August.
Then, on October 20, 2000, Flynt appeared on CNN’s Crossfire. The
subject of the show concerned porn and the Internet, but Flynt took
advantage of live TV to launch his spiel. Conservative host Robert
Novak challenged Flynt as having "no proof."
"The hell we don’t have proof," Flynt retorted. (Of course, Flynt
didn’t have proof.) Novak then asked Flynt if he was a Gore supporter.
Flynt responded that he didn’t like either candidate and that he’d
vote for the lesser of two evils.
The camera cut from Flynt, never to return. Liberal but skeptical
co-host Bill Press sardonically remarked, "You never know. Live
television." Flynt claims that CNN expurgated this exchange from its
transcript, and at the time, some online wags came to the same
conclusion and quickly posted alerts. Currently, two versions of the
transcript appear on the widely used Nexis database. One version has
the full exchange about the alleged abortion. The other omits the
discussion entirely. It’s identified as a "rush transcript" that "may
not be in its final form and may be updated."
Syndicated gossip Liz Smith finally picked up the story, with a few
details off-
kilter, on November 6, the day before the election. She wrote:
Hot on the heels of the George W. Bush DUI revelation (in Maine, it’s
called OUI -- Operating Under the Influence), comes word that
porn-king muckraker Larry Flynt is charging that a girlfriend of W.’s,
back in 1970, had an abortion. But that’s not the story, as there’s no
evidence that Bush even knew about the pregnancy. The real story --
according to the Internet’s About.com -- is that Flynt’s remarks were
apparently censored from CNN’s Crossfire, and the entire transcript of
the show vanished from the CNN Web site. The media has been willing to
crucify Bill and Hillary Clinton with the worst sort of specious
rumor-mongering, so why was this sleazy tidbit too hot for the
"responsible" press to ask about?
Her item on Bush was cut from her column everywhere, in more than 100
papers, except for the New Jersey Star-Ledger. Flynt then contacted
Daily Variety’s gossip columnist Army Archerd, who wrote on November
7, the day of the election:
FREEDOM OF THE PRESS? Larry Flynt says his comments about a hush-hush
1970 Houston abortion, on a rumored girlfriend of George W. Bush, have
been stifled by the mainstream media. (Flynt claims knowledge of the
identity of the girl, the hospital, etc. He never printed it, "because
she’d deny it; you’d have egg on your face and you’d face a libel
suit.") Still, he’s more concerned with the fact that the media is
ignoring the rumors . . . "My whole focus," said Flynt, "was on the
lack of investigation by the media -- in other words, they never asked
Bush."
The story did get some international play just before the 2000
election in newspapers in England. And that was pretty much the end of
it. Bush claimed the presidency unbesmirched by this particular tale.
Eventually, Flynt decided to include the episode in his book.
The subject first came up at the Weekly, in recent times, when Flynt
stopped by last fall to tout his vanity candidacy for governor during
the campaign to recall Governor Gray Davis. Flynt took advantage of
the interview to promote a proposed initiative that would permit
non-tribal casino gambling -- he owns a casino -- as a way both to get
personally richer and to help solve the state’s budget crisis. An
editor asked offhandedly whatever happened to his investigation into
Bush. That got Flynt going:
"We worked that story for six months," he said. "We had everybody,
including the hospital that performed the abortion, the doctor who did
it, you know, affidavits from four of her friends. You know, we, we
had it all. But at the last minute she stopped cooperating, and this
was just about a month before the election."
Flynt was shooting from the hip, without reviewing his own
investigators’ files. The Weekly asked for documentation, but Flynt
and his representative never provided it, though Flynt did discuss the
matter at length in a late-April interview, after he reviewed his
documentation. His book publicist said there were still libel concerns
regarding the release of original documents. She said she also didn’t
want articles to appear before they could assist book sales. Obtaining
Flynt’s files became less necessary after people directly involved in
the investigation agreed to talk freely and separately about their
work, provided that their names not be disclosed. They were willing to
share the real names, confidentially, of all the persons involved. The
Weekly has not independently verified their accounts, which is why
real names aren’t used here either. But their chronicles are
believable, especially because they acknowledge that they ultimately
failed to deliver the goods. There could be no hedging the evidence on
a story like this, they said, especially when their employer was
Flynt, whose credibility would be questioned.
Even though his book was still months away, Flynt finally couldn’t
contain himself during a February 2004 interview with New York’s Daily
News.
"I’ve talked to the woman’s friends," Flynt is quoted as saying. "I’ve
tracked down the doctor who did the abortion, I tracked down the Bush
people who arranged for the abortion . . . I got the story nailed."
The anecdote got some airing, especially after it was repeated by pop
musician Moby. But the attention came almost entirely from the British
and Australian press. They played it up as an example of mudslinging,
sometimes pairing it with unsubstantiated rumors of a John Kerry
affair.
In 2000, if the story had taken off, would it have mattered? Should it
have mattered?
In the razor-thin 2000 election, it’s hard to deny that anything that
could change votes could have made a difference. Flynt hoped the
abortion account would paint W. as a hypocrite. Bush already looked
every inch a hypocrite to critics who saw him ally with rich corporate
interests, while savaging the poor behind a façade of "compassionate
conservatism."
But Bush supporters see the world and Bush so differently. Many are
drawn by his appeal to traditional values and free enterprise,
regardless of his actual policies. And many of Bush’s die-hard
religious-right supporters had ample reason to forgive Bush, even for
an abortion. His entire story, from their perspective, is one of a
sinner redeemed, the type of soul who can, in an odd way, sometimes
shine brighter than the less fallible person who never required such
redemption. It didn’t matter so much, therefore, if Bush had been a
drunk, if he had used cocaine, if he’d had premarital sex -- if he’d
been the wayward prodigal son. At one level, such behavior made him an
ordinary guy, just like ordinary people everywhere. At another, his
reform underscored his exemplary born-again identity and his
unwavering commitment to conservative Christian values. For many
Christians, Bush stands on the upright side of the before-versus-after
divide intrinsic to a belief system in which a person must be
personally saved from his sins by Jesus. Indeed, to the religious
right, George W. Bush is more the real deal than his better-behaving,
high-achieving father ever was.
How about the fence sitters of 2004? Should the alleged incident
matter to them?
Maybe, but its relevance stacks up weakly compared to that of the Iraq
invasion, the ballooning federal deficit, the erosion of civil
liberties and the ongoing subjugation of environmental protection to
corporate interests. It is with such matters that even Flynt’s own
book is primarily concerned, though he does spare a few words to
discuss his boyhood experience of sex with a chicken.
Flynt’s investigators weren’t bloodhounding this one anecdote alone.
Along the way, they also met with author J.H. Hatfield, who alleged
that, in 1972, George W. Bush was arrested for possession of cocaine
and, with the help of his father, got the charges erased in exchange
for performing community service.
Hatfield cited anonymous sources in his book Fortunate Son: George W.
Bush and the Making of an American President. Hatfield’s first
publisher got cold feet and ultimately destroyed its copies of
Hatfield’s book.
Flynt’s investigators met with Hatfield and repeatedly pressed him for
additional details. They wanted to pursue the story further. But
Hatfield finally stormed out of their meeting. Hatfield died, an
apparent suicide, in July 2001.
The researchers also checked out rumors of a Bush cocaine binge in the
early 1990s that were called into Flynt. If true, it would mean Bush
lied about when he’d given up drugs. When asked in 1999 about drug
use, Bush was quoted as saying, "As I understand it, the current [FBI]
form asks the question, ‘Did somebody use drugs within the last seven
years?’ and I will be glad to answer that question, and the answer is
no." He also said, "Not only could I pass the background check of the
standards applied in today’s White House, I could have passed the
background check on the standards applied on the most stringent
conditions when my dad was president of the United States, a 15-year
period."
Once again, the researchers came up with nothing that met journalistic
standards of proof, although their entire chasing-Bush experience
would make a heck of a plot for a buddy movie.
"Flynt was interested mainly in two things: pussy and drugs," noted
one researcher, who now considers that preoccupation quaint and
ironic. "Here we were looking at Bush’s personal life and the whole
Enron scandal was happening right under our noses."
Psalm 110
<nosoc...@hatelefties.con> wrote:
>I'd hardly call that a war hero let alone
>someone who wants to become a commander in chief.
>
>Bush a coward
Sun Myung Moon, the Washington Times, is the proof that Bush is a fake
Psalm 110
>Wow...does anybody else know about this?
>
>We should tell...
>
>hank