The three, all members of the Navy's elite commando unit, have refused
non-judicial punishment - called an admiral's mast - and have requested a
trial by court-martial.
Ahmed Hashim Abed, whom the military code-named "Objective Amber," told
investigators he was punched by his captors - and he had the bloody lip to
prove it.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,576646,00.html
-Eddie Haskell
> Ahmed Hashim Abed, whom the military code-named "Objective Amber," told
> investigators he was punched by his captors - and he had the bloody lip to
> prove it.
>
> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,576646,00.html
>
> -Eddie Haskell
So what?
If they bloddied his lip in the course of capturing him, he'll be
laughed out of the middle east as a whining baby after the trial.
If they disobeyed their orders and exceeded the Geneva Conventions by
administering a little undisciplined freelance "punishment" while
escorting a handcuffed prisoner to brig, (and ultimately to court
hearings and possible judicially-ordered execution) then they have
dishonoured their uniforms.
When Allied troops are abused by sadistic guards we call it
"barbaric," and we are right.
You caw'nt have you're Abu Graib and eat it too...
R
You useful idiots will get us all killed !! I hope you get your empty
head chopped off first !!
Can't believe anything Fox writes...
You should know that by now.
I am nobody's "useful idiot."
I am neither defending Islamic terror nor defending this particular
terrorist, and I applaud and admire the Seals courage an ingenuity in
capturing this guy.
If the seals had to punch the guy in the face in as part of subduing
him for capture -- tough luck for him.
However, if the seals violated the Uniform Military Code and treaties
signed by the US President and ratified by the US CVongress with a
little gratuitious violence once hwe was captured and subdued, how
does this in any way make the west safer from terrorism.
George Washington forbade torture against captured British because
torture would "dishonour the new country."
Allied intelligence in WWII forbade torture of captured German
officers because they found it much more effective to play chess,
share ciogarettes and avoid offending them. This wasn't because they
liked Nazis, it was because the best way to pry info was with
psychological tricks, not torture.
The interegator who broke the Jihadist who gave up Abu Musab al
Zarqawi (sp) (the now-dead founder of al Quaeda in Iraq) got his
breaktrhough by offering the prisoner sugar-free cookies when he found
out he was diabetic. He also apologized to the prisoner (who joined
the terrorists when innocent family members were killed by collatoral
damage) for the unintended killing of Iraqi civilians caught in the
crossfire.
As a result of the interrogator's kindness the prisoner flipped,
telling him "Your kindness and your humanity have shocked me bacause I
was told by al Quada that all Americans were sadistic and not capable
of respecting Muslims. I am so shocked at the magnitude of their lie,
that I am now questioning everything they have said to me, and
questioning whether violence is the right response to the occupation
of Iraq." From there, the prisoner went on to betray his al Quaeda
boss by giving up the address of the safe house where Zarqawi met his
death by American bombs and missiles. The interrogator's name is
Matthew Alexander ond his book is "How to break a terrorist."
You pussies do not know anything about interrogation.
US Navy SEALs are NONE of YOUR business, Canadian Faggot:
From: David Deilley <david.de...@gmail.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 142.32.208.231
142.32.208.231 = Victoria, Canada.
Correct, YOU are useLESS, Canadian Faggot:
Nov. 25, 2009
Report: Navy Seals Abused Valuable Suspect
Face Court-Martial for Hitting Alleged Mastermind of 2004 Blackwater
Guard Killings
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/11/25/national/main5773164.shtml
Tell us how it feels to be a COMPLETE FOOL?
Tangling up your enemies by deceit is a virtue among the
Jihadists, not a vice. Far from being laughed out of the
middle east, he'll be given more respect for his strategem
that allowed him to use the Americans' own beliefs as a
weapon against them even while in custody, even if all
it does is make the US waste time and give ammunition
to those criticizing those hunting the Jihadists.
--
Walt
Can you imagine prosecuting a solder in WWII for giving a nazi a bloody lip?
God-fucking-damn..
-Eddie Haskell
"Torture"?
My god.. Give it up. You're making a fucking fool of yourself..
Hahahahaha!
-Eddie haskell
Pathetic shoot the messenger tactic noted. Can't believe a word you say.
-Eddie Haskell
You took a shit and ate it too.
-Eddie Haskell
I am a direct descendent of a farmer-soldier in George Washington's
Continental Army. What were YOUR ancestors doing during the
Revolutionary War. (If you are any indication, they were tobese to
fight, and sat at home writing notes to strangers and pretending that
this made a difference.)
You're a sick son of a bitch. Stooping into the same barbarity as the
lowest scum on earth is not the American Way. We are better than that.
You are not. You are cut from the same mold and part of the American
Taliban. Ignorant, racist, stupid and cowardly. Well, the Taliban
aren't cowards, they put action to words and you're just a wanker sitting
on his shit-stained porch couch churning out 25 racist threads a day on
usenet.
Killed anyone lately?
Wanker.
--
Regards, Curly
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
2012 Run, Rudy, Run! 2012
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 12:10:09 +0000 (UTC), Curly Surmudgeon
> <CurlySu...@live.com> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 11:38:53 -0500, Patriot Games <Pat...@America.Com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>You're a sick son of a bitch. Stooping into the same barbarity as the
>>lowest scum on earth is not the American Way. We are better than that.
>>
>>You are not. You are cut from the same mold and part of the American
>>Taliban. Ignorant, racist, stupid and cowardly. Well, the Taliban
>>aren't cowards, they put action to words and you're just a wanker
>>sitting on his shit-stained porch couch churning out 25 racist threads a
>>day on usenet.
>>
>>Killed anyone lately?
>>
>>Wanker.
>
> Taliban not cowards? Using retarded children as human bombs? Throwing
> acid in the face of young girls who had the audacity to go to school?
> Using schools and other buildings with innocents present as hiding
> places? You are one sick dipshit.
Now all you have to do is show that people like Patriot Games are any
better than that.
>> Allied intelligence in WWII forbade torture
>
> "Torture"?
>
> My god.. Give it up. You're making a fucking fool of yourself..
>
> Hahahahaha!
It is actually quite tortuous to watch you get SMAAAAAAAACKED by someone
using reason and logic.
Um, "Eddie Haskell" included can.politics in his post and you're
bitching because a CANADIAN responded? How absurd CAN YOU GET.
Prove it.
Begin here: ___________
(Show your work, use cites.)
>What were YOUR ancestors doing during the
>Revolutionary War.
Killing British Faggots, fucking Canadian women in their ass, and
having an all-around damn good time.
>(If you are any indication, they were tobese to
>fight, and sat at home writing notes to strangers and pretending that
>this made a difference.)
Now you know why every one of your ancestors was born with a blasted
asshole... See above.
Ps: You're a Canadian Faggot:
(Be patient...)
Another bitter, self-hating, FAKE VET ALONE on Thanksgiving Day...
Truly pathetic....
Imagine throwing a pair of shoes at someone... and missing... then
getting tortured with electrical cords and beaten with pipes over it.
The acts of torture or street justice doesn't actually bother you,
because you truly believe that standards only apply to other people.
Americans like you are as phony as three dollar bills and easily exposed
as such.
Imagine getting busted for political dissent in downtown Baghdad, by our puppet
gov't, and _not_ being a hero to millions of bloggers...
The worst thing Navy Seals could have done is turn a murderer into a
victim. This is exactly why they are being dealt with harshly. It
looks bad on them and everything they represent. It gives the enemy
something to seize upon and justify more violence against Americans. It
damages every value that Americans claim to represent.
The moral of the story: TWO WRONGS DON'T MAKE A RIGHT.
I don't owe a fat bitch like you any proof or anything else.
I know my family history, and you don't.
Patriot would know a lot more about his family tree if his mom could
ever remember who his father was.
That insinuates that he had one in the first place and wasn't hatched.
I got a laugh today when I was in a meeting with a couple of Vice Presidents,
one from my company and another from a partner.
One VP said "I decided to give up golfing when I saw a video of a golfer who
had no arms and had a 9 handicap, you know? What's that drug that kids born of
mothers in the 1950's had where they were born deformed (he meant Thalidomide)?
My VP spoke up and authoratively said "Chlamydia"!
The guy said "Right! That's it! Chlamydia!"
I just kept my fucking mouth shut.
Chlamydia is a veneral disease. :)
Considering how dedicated to his cause this fearless
leader of people who wrap themselves in explosives
to kill children for God is supposed to be, I'm
surprised that the SEALs managed to capture
him while only inflicting such a minor injury.
--
Walt
So are company vice presidents.
I just couldn't believe it. I'm sitting down with 5 well educated and
intelligen people.
It's not that I know the answer, it's that I'm smart enough to keep my trap
shut!
...i.e. no one is above the Law.
-Tom Sr.
> On Nov 24, 2:12�pm, "Eddie Haskell" <f...@eeaeae.com> wrote:
>
>> Ahmed Hashim Abed, whom the military code-named "Objective Amber," told
>> investigators he was punched by his captors - and he had the bloody lip t
> o
>> prove it.
>>
>> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,576646,00.html
>>
>> -Eddie Haskell
>
> So what?
>
> If they bloddied his lip in the course of capturing him, he'll be
> laughed out of the middle east as a whining baby after the trial.
>
> If they disobeyed their orders and exceeded the Geneva Conventions by
> administering a little undisciplined freelance "punishment" while
> escorting a handcuffed prisoner to brig, (and ultimately to court
> hearings and possible judicially-ordered execution) then they have
> dishonoured their uniforms.
>
> When Allied troops are abused by sadistic guards we call it
> "barbaric," and we are right.
Sorry fool, the geneva convention only covers uniformed combatants
between nation
states (Hence the term illegal combatants being used)
So your premise is false as these prisoners... are specifically not
covered under the Geneva
convention so are not accorded protections from this treaty.
The left is more interested in going after American citizens than its
enemies and BO has
been on record as saying he would side with Muslims if it came to that.
Thanks for ADMITTING YOU LIED.
Hahahahahahaha!!
>I know my family history, and you don't.
Wrong. I know your family history because I know MY family history.
My ancestors were assfucking Canadian bitches and strap-whipping them
centuries ago.
Why do you think you were born and raised in Canada? Because you were
REJECTED by Americans! The ONLY thing your ancestors were good for
was a quick assfucking and a severe beating then we RAN YOU OUT of our
country.
hahahahahahhahahaha!!
After you served them coffee did they let you stay?
Hahahahahahaha!!
Its none of your business, Canadian Faggot.
From: Chom Noamsky <d...@bark.grrrr>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 142.179.48.237
142.179.48.237 = Salmon Arm, Canada.
>This is exactly why they are being dealt with harshly.
They aren't being "dealt with harshly."
Try to pay attention, Canadian Faggot.
>It looks bad on them and everything they represent.
Wrong, Canadian Faggot.
They REQUESTED a Trial.
>It gives the enemy
>something to seize upon and justify more violence against Americans.
Canadians are such complete and total PUSSIES...
>It damages every value that Americans claim to represent.
Which is NONE of YOUR business, Canadian Faggot.
>The moral of the story: TWO WRONGS DON'T MAKE A RIGHT.
No, the moral of the story is Canadian Faggots are Worthless Pussies.
That's what I'd always heard too, Lamer. Your ancestors were the ones that
ran out of the country after the British lost and we started looking for
traitors to hang. But America was never really your country. You betrayed
it right from the beginning and you're still betraying it now.
>Sorry fool, the geneva convention only covers uniformed combatants
>between nation
>states (Hence the term illegal combatants being used)
>So your premise is false as these prisoners... are specifically not
>covered under the Geneva
>convention so are not accorded protections from this treaty.
>The left is more interested in going after American citizens than its
>enemies and BO has
>been on record as saying he would side with Muslims if it came to that.
During WWII, the US policy towards POWs was interestingly liberal.
Among other things, whatever climate they were picked up in, they were
imprisoned in. American POWs in North Africa went to camps in the US
southwest for example. I read a piece by a German pow who eventually
emigrated to the US. He said the ocean voyage seemed long but the
land trip from New York to Minnesota seemed longer. He was astonished
at how enormous the US was and even more so when, upon looking at a
map, he discovered he'd only traveled half way across the country. Any
thought of escape quickly left his mind.
We must have treated our POWs pretty good for them to emigrate here
after the war.
Why treat our 21st century POWs any differently?
Swill
--
In the exam room . . .
Doctor: "Public Opt . . ."
Elephant: "SOCIALISM!"
Doctor: "Reflexes good."
Because we don't want them emigrating here, Swill, you half-witted dunce.
Damn, dumb as ever..
-Eddie Haskell
Yep and American soldiers killed prisoners on the battlefield after
D-day, the British
used torture to interrogate them and a whole slew of things the left
doesn't want to come to
grips with, yes we did it, its fact and the touchy feely crowd wants to
deny it never happened,
what about the same things we did to the Japanese prisoners captured on
Bataan...
Youv'e got your head up your ass so don't give me this BS about how
wonderful we treated
prisoners because its a pipe dream on your part. Maybe for the majority
taken but same
applies to those in gitmo, only a handful (Yep not 100's) were
waterboarded, we got useful intel
and the lefts only purpose in doing this is political
>
> Last I heard, German POW's were usually wearing uniforms, representing
> their country, not hiding in schools and mosques in civilian clothes
> like those in Iraq and Afghanistan. The various conventions over the
> years were never meant to cover this type of prisoner.
Some of them were. For instance, you can't torture ANYBODY. And if
they're criminal suspects, they have different rights, including the
right to know why they are being held, to be tried, and to challenge the
evidence against them.
But the government at least under Bush claimed that they had a special
status that does not exist in US law.
> Yep and American soldiers killed prisoners on the battlefield after
> D-day, the British
> used torture to interrogate them and a whole slew of things the left
> doesn't want to come to
> grips with, yes we did it, its fact and the touchy feely crowd wants to
> deny it never happened,
is that why the librul movie director Steve Spielberg put all that in his movie
"Saving Private Ryan"? To deny it happened?
"Infamy" again? No.
Equal justice under the Law.
-Tom Sr.