Chomsky on WTC/pentagon aftermath
lawrence day
of the recent US tragedies.
His 'form' letter, clearly scribbled out quickly,
was reposted on indymedia, but the pathway was so clogged
and cyber-gridlocked, that
I went to nyc indymedia and found it faster:
mini-email interview with Noam Chomsky
Posted by matchboy (Thursday September 13 2001
@ 11:29AM PDT)
Did receive it, but unfortunately, in a huge
flood, and apart from that, am spending
a great deal of time on radio-TV interviews
around the world (not here; this is a
very closed society). Letters like yours were
so numerous I was compelled to
write up a brief form statement, attached.
Barely scratches the surface.
As to how the US and people here will react,
that's not a matter for speculation, but for action. We
should do what we can to influence the reaction
towards some civilized direction, instead of towards
the kind if fanatic tribalism that is sure to
escalate the cycle of atrocities, with dread consequences. (*)
Like the attack on Sudan, which you mention.
Considered here a triviality, but not by a great many
people in the world, who don't find it amusing
when the US murders probably tens of thousands of
people on a whim. Same with many other cases,
facts understood pretty well when we move
beyond the borders.
About Bin Laden, a lot is not known, but we do
know that he was one of the CIA "Afghans" -- not
Afghans necessarily, but extreme Islamic
fundamentalist fanatics rounded up from everywhere and
sent to Afghanistan where they were armed and
trained in order to cause maximal damage to
Russia (and probably delay their withdrawal
from Afghanistan). They've been used by the US
elsewhere, in particular, Bosnia. Now we're in
the "blowback" phase. Not unusual. Saddam Hussein
is another example, nearby.
Noam Chomsky
(*) Here is an example of why I consider Prof. Chomsky to be a
'centrist':
He wants to handle the situation in a 'civilized direction'
rather than through 'tribal fanaticism'. This, to my view,
invokes the polarity of 'intelligence-vs-stupidity' rather
than the more familiar polarity of 'left-right' financial concerns.
Lawrence Day
SunnyJim
When a snake bites you, you do not reason with it.
What is happening today is virtually the same as in 1941. The
perpetrators of this atrocity will die. The Americans will not stand
for impingement of their freedoms.
Bond
>On 13 Sep 2001 12:18:56 -0700, ld...@pathcom.com (lawrence day) wrote:
>
>When a snake bites you, you do not reason with it.
>
>What is happening today is virtually the same as in 1941. The
>perpetrators of this atrocity will die. The Americans will not stand
>for impingement of their freedoms.
I totally agree. The statements of George Bush implying that
terrorists are anyone who doesn't share the same values as the
Americans and the reactions of the americans towards arabs are very
similar to nazi germany. Only this time it's the arabs who are
getting victimized because of their race.
Don
"Bond" <bke...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 13 Sep 2001 19:32:58 GMT, su...@wiggly.com (SunnyJim) wrote:
>
> >On 13 Sep 2001 12:18:56 -0700, ld...@pathcom.com (lawrence day) wrote:
> >
> >When a snake bites you, you do not reason with it.
> >
> >What is happening today is virtually the same as in 1941. The
> >perpetrators of this atrocity will die. The Americans will not stand
> >for impingement of their freedoms.
>
> I totally agree. The statements of George Bush implying that
> terrorists are anyone who doesn't share the same values as the
> Americans and the reactions of the americans towards arabs are very
> similar to nazi germany. Only this time it's the arabs who are
> getting victimized because of their race.
When did Bush say this? Can't you at least wait until history is a few days
old before you revise it?
Dave Simpson
Chomsky is a left-wing toxic parasite.
Dave Simpson
nkennedy
'centrist':
He wants to handle the situation in a 'civilized direction'
rather than through 'tribal fanaticism'. This, to my view,
invokes the polarity of 'intelligence-vs-stupidity' rather
than the more familiar polarity of 'left-right'
I'm afraid Lawrence that you and Chomskey will find few takers
for an 'intelligence-vs-stupidity' type of pragmatic discourse. I was
disheartened today to see Barry Buyera "join hands" with Honest John in
calling for the death of a poster with whom he disagrees.
It was disappointing to see one like Barry who often shows some
regard for reason and humanity to declare that his principles are
arbitrary. Arbitrary in that he (Barry) will decide who can qualify to
be a recipient of his "principles".
Neil K
Shel Scott
>Evidentally a lot of people wanted Prof. Chomsky's opinion
>of the recent US tragedies.
Yes, the Chomster always good for some comic relief. In fact, the
darker the situation, the more obtuse his remarks appear.
>mini-email interview with Noam Chomsky
<snip>
>" ... am spending a great deal of time on radio-TV interviews
>around the world (not here; this is a very closed society)"
<snip>
Now, stop right there; Chomsky spins a lack of demand for his bullshit
in the US, into the US being a "closed society"; oops, pardon me, a
"very closed society". What an asshole!
In fact, the WTC disaster only occurred precisely because the U.S. is
an _open_ society. The perpetrators were free to live in a nice
house, go to flight school, and then take over a plane and kill a few
thousand folks from around the world.
Noam Chomsky is an asshole.
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Honest John
>On Thu, 13 Sep 2001 19:32:58 GMT, su...@wiggly.com (SunnyJim) wrote:
>
>>On 13 Sep 2001 12:18:56 -0700, ld...@pathcom.com (lawrence day) wrote:
>>
>>When a snake bites you, you do not reason with it.
>>
>>What is happening today is virtually the same as in 1941. The
>>perpetrators of this atrocity will die. The Americans will not stand
>>for impingement of their freedoms.
>
>I totally agree. The statements of George Bush implying that
>terrorists are anyone who doesn't share the same values as the
>Americans
Terrorists are the people who commit attrocities like this and those
like you who support such barbarity.
Honest John
wrote:
> I'm afraid Lawrence that you and Chomskey will find few takers
>for an 'intelligence-vs-stupidity' type of pragmatic discourse. I was
>disheartened today to see Barry Buyera "join hands" with Honest John in
>calling for the death of a poster with whom he disagrees.
I merely feel that it would be poetic justice if anyone like you, who
supports the barbaric actions of the last few days, were to be in the
building next time. That is not a call for anyones death, it would be
far far better if there were no more attrocities but if they have to
occure let you supporters of terrorism be in the front line and not
the innocent..
Mike Warren
> In fact, the WTC disaster only occurred precisely because the
> U.S. is an _open_ society.
The last post of your I read was decrying authoritarianism; now you're
all for it.
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nkennedy
the last few days..."->Honest John
Look you stupid, ignoramus blob of bile, show me, SHOW ME where I EVER
supported anyone's violence.
But it would be asking too much to have a dense, hate filled, bigoted
racist, as you are, to understand anything.
You on the other hand can't recognize violence. If there's no noise
or blood you don't see violence.
You are absolutely unaware of the violent deaths every day of the
poor children in Iraq. The children that are being deliberately executed
by American policy.
You are both too stupid and not enough of a human to recognize pain
in others.
You are despicable.
And I repeat. Show one(1) post from me where any form of violence on any
creature was condoned, let alone be encouraged.
Neil K
Honest John
wrote:
> But it would be asking too much to have a dense, hate filled, bigoted
>racist, as you are, to understand anything.
I understand that the mass murder of thousands of people must never be
allowed to happen again. You simply prefer to be an apologist for the
Taliban and their ilk.
> You on the other hand can't recognize violence. If there's no noise
>or blood you don't see violence.
Violence has been the calling card of evil left wingers like you for
nearly a century. From Stalin, to Mao, to Pol Pot, to North Korea,to
Roumania to Castro, to Hitler you socialists have shown us all the
meaning of violence. We have had enough.
> You are absolutely unaware of the violent deaths every day of the
>poor children in Iraq. The children that are being deliberately executed
>by American policy.
As I am sure you know Saddam has enough money to build dozens of
palaces and can easily support the children but prefers to use them as
pawns.
> You are both too stupid and not enough of a human to recognize pain
>in others.
I very much recognize the pain in New York and Washington, you on the
other hand appear to enjoy the pain.
>You are despicable.
Why, because I don't defend mass murder?
>And I repeat. Show one(1) post from me where any form of violence on any
>creature was condoned, let alone be encouraged.
Your defence of the monsters who commited these attrocities encourges
unconscionable violence.
Neil Tupper
"Honest John" <h...@taxpayers.ca> wrote in message
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Tuesday, I'm surprised that you would be so cruelly self-indulgent enough to
paint such a truly mean spirited twisting of Neil Kennedy's position.
Neil
nkennedy
unconscionable violence.."->Honest John
NO, no dim prick, it doesn't wash.
One (1) post where I have ever condoned ANYONE'S violence.
Come on pay up. Present the post.
I'll not leave you alone, I'll hound you every day as I did that other
liar Shellshock Scott.
Neil K
Honest John
<neil_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> I merely feel that it would be poetic justice if anyone like you, who
>> supports the barbaric actions of the last few days, were to be in the
>> building next time. That is not a call for anyones death, it would be
>> far far better if there were no more attrocities but if they have to
>> occure let you supporters of terrorism be in the front line and not
>> the innocent..
>>
> Jeez, that's over the line even for you HJ. Given the awful events of
>Tuesday, I'm surprised that you would be so cruelly self-indulgent enough to
>paint such a truly mean spirited twisting of Neil Kennedy's position.
I am sorry but this business has me very upset and I have no time for
those pathological anti-americans who are just using this tragedy to
stick their little knives in the American back. I am shocked at how
many of the lefties on this NG seem to be secretly enjoying this
horrible week.
Honest John
wrote:
Then I will accept your word that you have not done that and I
apologize and withdraw my comment.
The events of this week are very, very upsetting and in supporting
people like the vile anti-American Chomski you risk getting painted
with the same brush. Now is the time for us all to stand behind our
American friends, it is not the time to stab them in the back. I have
been astonished that some people on this NG has elected to defend the
terrorists. I though nobody here could be that low.
Norm
Do you really think we have freedom of the press for everyone in this
continent?
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Erik T
Honest John wrote:
And just whom might they be?! Or are the posts opposed to obliterating the
Middle East or killing every Muslim on Earth taken to be "supportive" of
Tuesday's horror?
ciceroii
lawrence day wrote:
>
> Evidentally a lot of people wanted Prof. Chomsky's opinion
> of the recent US tragedies.
>
Chomsky is mentally deranged. But is still a despicable traitor and
and menace to his own Jewish people.
nkennedy
apologize and withdraw my comment...."->Honest John
So now you can point to this statement and say : "I apologized"
Well an apology doesn't have conditions.
What does it mean?
"Now is the time for us all to stand behind our
American friends, it is not the time to stab them in the back."->Honest
John
Are you saying that if I don't agree with the war mongering noises
coming from that weak minded person called George W Bush, that I'm
"stabbing " the American PEOPLE "in the back?
Don't you realize that most of this "noise" is there to appease the
notions of vengeance being fomented by media. Media who do what they
have to to sell their services.
You still don't accept the fact that slow, deliberate, cruel
starvation is not violent. You still blindly "follow " the official line
of the US State department.
One more mark of your incredible stupidity.
Jerry Falwall mocks the horrible, wanton carnage that was perpetuated on
his country. When I belittle this anti christ you attack me.
You say you support "talk " to resolve differences. Yet you support
the US and Israel for refusing to talk.
They left the conference because the group wouldn't refrain from saying
some nasty things about Israel. Many of the same things said first by a
plurality of the citizens of Israel.
You sir, are not only a dumb bigot, you are incapable of feeling any
brotherhood to any other living organism.
Neil K
Honest John
wrote:
>"..Then I will accept your word that you have not done that and I
>apologize and withdraw my comment...."->Honest John
>
>So now you can point to this statement and say : "I apologized"
>Well an apology doesn't have conditions.
There was no condition attached to the apology.
>
>What does it mean?
>"Now is the time for us all to stand behind our
>American friends, it is not the time to stab them in the back."->Honest
>John
It means that when some criminal thug attacks you neighbour you come
to his defence.
>
>Are you saying that if I don't agree with the war mongering noises
>coming from that weak minded person called George W Bush, that I'm
>"stabbing " the American PEOPLE "in the back?
Are you suggesting the Americans should lie down and play dead?
> Don't you realize that most of this "noise" is there to appease the
>notions of vengeance being fomented by media. Media who do what they
>have to to sell their services.
> You still don't accept the fact that slow, deliberate, cruel
>starvation is not violent. You still blindly "follow " the official line
>of the US State department.
Who has been starved??? The Iraqis leader has more than enough money
to buy all the food his nation wants.
> One more mark of your incredible stupidity.
>Jerry Falwall mocks the horrible, wanton carnage that was perpetuated on
>his country. When I belittle this anti christ you attack me.
Falwall made an interesting point, instead of studying his comment you
resorted to a knee jerk anti-Falwell reaction, Your pathological
anti-americanism clouds your thinking.
> You say you support "talk " to resolve differences. Yet you support
>the US and Israel for refusing to talk.
You must be confusing me with someone else. Where did I do that? I
have posted many, many ,messages in support of Palestinian rights
urging Israel to give back the occupied lands and grant the right of
return.
> You sir, are not only a dumb bigot, you are incapable of feeling any
>brotherhood to any other living organism.
Unlike you I can feel brotherhood for those murdered in New York and
Washington.
Honest John
wrote:
>> I am sorry but this business has me very upset and I have no time for
>> those pathological anti-americans who are just using this tragedy to
>> stick their little knives in the American back. I am shocked at how
>> many of the lefties on this NG seem to be secretly enjoying this
>> horrible week.
>
>And just whom might they be?! Or are the posts opposed to obliterating the
>Middle East or killing every Muslim on Earth taken to be "supportive" of
>Tuesday's horror?
Those who are simply using the tragedy to attack America and somehow
blame the victim for the assault.
No one that I am aware of has been talking in the way you are
suggesting. In fact I have heard many very appropriate calls from
senior American political leaders for people not to attack Muslims.
The war is against the terrorists and those who support them, it is
not with muslims. Don't you feel the persecuted people of Afghanistan,
especially the women, need to be rescued? Perhaps you support the
fanatical excesses of the Taliban? Perhaps you support the slavery in
the Sudan? No doubt you feel Saddam is a wonderful and benevolent
leader of Iraq. If those leaders have supported terror then they
deserve to be brought down.
How can anyone obliterate the Middle East or kill all Muslems? Those
are bizarre ideas. Are you of your medication?
nkennedy
"Unlike you I can feel brotherhood for those murdered in New York and
Washington"->Honest John
And this stunned prick doesn't see any contradiction here.
Neil K
Orestes
> On Thu, 13 Sep 2001 23:38:19 -0300, nkennedy <nken...@seascape.ns.ca>
> wrote:
>
> > But it would be asking too much to have a dense, hate filled, bigoted
> >racist, as you are, to understand anything.
>
> I understand that the mass murder of thousands of people must never be
> allowed to happen again. You simply prefer to be an apologist for the
> Taliban and their ilk.
>
> > You on the other hand can't recognize violence. If there's no noise
> >or blood you don't see violence.
>
> Violence has been the calling card of evil left wingers like you for
> nearly a century. From Stalin, to Mao, to Pol Pot, to North Korea,to
> Roumania to Castro, to Hitler you socialists have shown us all the
> meaning of violence. We have had enough.
Hitler was one of yours, and your two great capitalist wars were
responsible for more deaths that Stalin and Mao combined.
> > You are absolutely unaware of the violent deaths every day of the
> >poor children in Iraq. The children that are being deliberately executed
> >by American policy.
> As I am sure you know Saddam has enough money to build dozens of
> palaces and can easily support the children but prefers to use them as
> pawns.
Sure he does.
> > You are both too stupid and not enough of a human to recognize pain
> >in others.
> I very much recognize the pain in New York and Washington, you on the
> other hand appear to enjoy the pain.
> >You are despicable.
> Why, because I don't defend mass murder?
No, because you do.
> >And I repeat. Show one(1) post from me where any form of violence on any
> >creature was condoned, let alone be encouraged.
> Your defence of the monsters who commited these attrocities encourges
> unconscionable violence.
I have yet to see anyone support this. What they are doing is calling
for an understanding of the why whereas you are calling for blood and
vengence.
Honest John
wrote:
You are telling us you are a "stunned prick"? I always knew it.
lawrence day
> What part of what Chomsky says is wrong?
>
> Do you really think we have freedom of the press for everyone in this
> continent?
If you own one. ;-)
Studying media is quite fascinating,
but it requires an agile mind to study both
what is happening and what is reported to be happening
by the mainstream media.
Then personal conclusions may be drawn
from absence as well as presence.
Especially interesting are news items which are present,
but then disappear.
Their 'absence', like
the clue of 'the dog that didn't bark in the night'
in Sherlock Holmes, can reveal a great deal.
For example, in current events,
the fourth hijacked US commercial plane,
(poorly planned strategy-wise by the hijackers
as the passengers,
through cell-phone calls to relatives,
had learned the fate of the previous three)
was, according to the BBC, being followed
by two US F-16's.
This wouldn't be too surprising
under the circunstances;
what gives it 'weight' media-wise,
is that subsequent reports do not include that data.
Frankly I am glad I didn't have
to make the decision
whether to shoot it down
over an unpopulated area.
Frankly I suspect I would have:
the lesser of two evils.
This is something people might consider for themself.
I don't know, it is a tough ethics question.
Nevertheless, the story disappeared from the site:
understandable, but telling,
like the dog that didn't bark in the night.
Then there are anecdotal reports
of untested veracity:
one neighbour of the Pennsylvania crash claims
there were two booms, one in the air,
one where the plane came down;
this gets highlighted because the witness
was told by government officials
not to talk to the media about it;
then there is the fellow who showed up,
ticket ready, at Logan only to be turned away,
since the doomed plane was 'full';
although actually as the later stats revealed,
the plane was less than half full;
and perhaps most curious of all,
that San Francisco mayor William Brown
had been intending to fly to New York city
on Sept. 11, but his 'airport security people'
told him it wasn't safe THE NIGHT BEFORE.
Curious eh?
According to the sacked Genoa police chief
the purpose of the hired 600 neo-fascist 'black bloc'
provacateurs was to discredit the protesters..
Protest? Against the World Trade system and
the Pentagon?
I don't agree with it,
but I can see the logic
in the thinking of those
who consider this tragedy
a 'manufactured event'
of some sort.
Mr. Scott didn't seem to pay much attention to what
Prof. Chomsky actually wrote;
his was just a knee-jerk auto reflex..
Here is Edward S. Hermann (who plays Chingachcook
to Chomsky's Hawkeye):
Lawrence Day
nkennedy
concern you?
Its the silence stupid! Nary a word of support for you from the
many dozens of right wing posters to this group.
Why is it Honest John that nobody wants to "be seen with you"?
I think maybe your stirring defense of Jerry Falwell was the last straw
for most of them.
I have a constructive suggestion for you. Seeing what a penurious,
mean, miserly, maggot you are, you may not want to cease posting because
you have money invested in your computer equipment.
Tell you what Johnny boy, you can recoup some if you rent out your
keyboard. May as well, its not much use to you.
Neil K
Hartmann Schaffer
h...@taxpayers.ca (Honest John) writes:
> On Fri, 14 Sep 2001 07:14:53 -0400, Erik T <mam...@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
>
>>> I am sorry but this business has me very upset and I have no time for
>>> those pathological anti-americans who are just using this tragedy to
>>> stick their little knives in the American back. I am shocked at how
>>> many of the lefties on this NG seem to be secretly enjoying this
>>> horrible week.
>>
>>And just whom might they be?! Or are the posts opposed to obliterating the
>>Middle East or killing every Muslim on Earth taken to be "supportive" of
>>Tuesday's horror?
>
> Those who are simply using the tragedy to attack America and somehow
> blame the victim for the assault.
>
> No one that I am aware of has been talking in the way you are
> suggesting. In fact I have heard many very appropriate calls from
but, using your superior psychic abilities, you read their minds and
determined that they must really have enjoyed and cheered it.
get real
hs
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War is not healthy for children and other living beings
batman
but hey.
On Thu, 13 Sep 2001 23:45:39 GMT, ssc...@unispam.com (Shel Scott)
wrote:
RES
Now there's an erudite comment. Of course, nothing of the substance of
Chomsky's remarks are addressed. But then again, why should you start
now? RES
EricĐ
> Now there's an erudite comment. Of course, nothing of the substance of
> Chomsky's remarks are addressed. But then again, why should you start
> now? RES
Lambourn* reviles Jews when they fail to adapt to his world. Perhaps you
were not around a few years ago when he launched an attack on 'Jew-
controlled Hollywood'.
I suspect that we are still witnessing the residuals from the pasting he
got over that thread.
Face it: Lambourn's world is his basement, his computer, and these
newsgroups. He hates everything but rats and cockroaches. And Cuba and
Red China, of course.
*refers to Ontario, Canada's John Lambourn, most often posting these days
as 'Ciceroii' and 'Iconoclast'. 'Tiresias' may come back on occasion,
and you can never completely count 'Cerise Lopez' out . . .
E.Schild
haff...@usa.net
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Toasted and roasted and scrambled and fried
We are greedy and vain
-Accept
Ulysses
Yeah, sure, you're right, everyone else in the world is wrong, they
are all wrongheaded and we are always right. There's no need for any
thought on this at all, in fact, since we listen to Rush, the less
thought the better.
Since our president select is no more than an intellectual and
emotional 14, I suspect that's pretty much the basis on which things
are going to be run. Me, I'm getting ready for the demos.
Honest John
>> Terrorists are the people who commit attrocities like this and those
>> like you who support such barbarity.
>
>
>Yeah, sure, you're right, everyone else in the world is wrong, they
>are all wrongheaded and we are always right. There's no need for any
>thought on this at all, in fact, since we listen to Rush, the less
>thought the better.
So you don't consider the act of last Tuesday to be a terrorist act?
Ulysses
I don't use loaded terms like "terrorist" if I want to reach a logical
conclusion.
I'll tell you what I consider it...I consider it your chickens coming
home to roost. Continue on your way, and you can expect more chickens
arriving. If aggressive "antiterrorist" programs in the absence of
political solutions brought security, then Israel would be the most
secure place on earth.
Ulysses
> On Thu, 13 Sep 2001 23:38:19 -0300, nkennedy <nken...@seascape.ns.ca>
> wrote:
>
> > But it would be asking too much to have a dense, hate filled, bigoted
> >racist, as you are, to understand anything.
>
> I understand that the mass murder of thousands of people must never be
> allowed to happen again. You simply prefer to be an apologist for the
> Taliban and their ilk.
I agree that the mass murder of thousands must never be allowed to
happen again, but since it's our country primarily responsible for
such killings, I'm wondering where your solution is.
Oh! You don't propose a solution. Your proposal, as I understand it,
is to kill more people. That is to say, we note your proposal to end
mass murder is mass murder.
>
> > You on the other hand can't recognize violence. If there's no noise
> >or blood you don't see violence.
>
> Violence has been the calling card of evil left wingers like you for
> nearly a century. From Stalin, to Mao, to Pol Pot, to North Korea,to
> Roumania to Castro, to Hitler you socialists have shown us all the
> meaning of violence. We have had enough.
Far beit from me to respond to morons but...Stalin wasn't leftist, Mao
wasn't involved with any mass killings, Pol Pot was our ally, Bush
destroyed peace and reconciliation talks with the North Koreans (over
South Korean objections), Caucescu wasn't a leftist, Castro has a
better human rights record than the US, and Hitler belonged to your
party, not mine.
I am, in fact, a socialist, have been for forty years, and yes, I am
opposed to any massive military intervention in Afganistan, and yes,
I've been saying for years that this was the inevitable outcome of a
misguided foreign and energy policy. I said the same thing about
Vietnam, and was right, and the same thing about Raygun's little
adventures, and the same thing about Iraq. And have been
unfortunately right on the money every time.
You prefer to kill your own children for some reason. Couldn't tell
you why, since you obviously never profit from the transaction.
Your chickens came home to roost, sweety. More are probably on the
way.
Bond
>ld...@pathcom.com (lawrence day) wrote:
>>Evidentally a lot of people wanted Prof. Chomsky's opinion
>>of the recent US tragedies.
Ulysses
> those pathological anti-americans who are just using this tragedy to
> stick their little knives in the American back. I am shocked at how
> many of the lefties on this NG seem to be secretly enjoying this
> horrible week.
Oh Wonderful. Now we can set up tribunals to determine who is
pathologically anti-american. Let me suggest that the first folks up
be anyone who thinks about US energy or foreign policy, since they're
likely to disagree with our actions, and later, anyone who thinks at
all.
Action without thought is the fascist heresy. Perfectly appropriate
in this newsgroup, I should add, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh.
And yes, there is a certain satisfaction in being right, particularly
about Starwars, a disasterous US isolationism and foreign policy, an
energy policy that holds us hostage to feudal lords in the middle
east, and a moronic tax cut for the rich without any economic
stimulous. It's only been nine months, but I really don't see how the
chimp could have done any worse. I guess a protracted land war with
Afganistan. Which looks to be coming. Or the planned invasion of the
West Bank. Also in the works.
Erik T
Honest John wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Sep 2001 07:14:53 -0400, Erik T <mam...@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
> >> I am sorry but this business has me very upset and I have no time for
> >> those pathological anti-americans who are just using this tragedy to
> >> stick their little knives in the American back. I am shocked at how
> >> many of the lefties on this NG seem to be secretly enjoying this
> >> horrible week.
> >
> >And just whom might they be?! Or are the posts opposed to obliterating the
> >Middle East or killing every Muslim on Earth taken to be "supportive" of
> >Tuesday's horror?
>
> Those who are simply using the tragedy to attack America and somehow
> blame the victim for the assault.
Oh, you mean Jerry Falwell. Okay... that's true... but is he a leftie? I think
not...
>
>
> No one that I am aware of has been talking in the way you are
> suggesting. In fact I have heard many very appropriate calls from
> senior American political leaders for people not to attack Muslims.
>
...And here in can-politics we have people like myself suggesting beating up
Muslim kids in school isn't cool, and rightoids like sickeroii claiming it's
justifiable rage, or that the Muslims here in schools all hate whitie
anyway... the usual useless but always incendiary rhetoric characteristic of
sickeroii's posts.
>
> The war is against the terrorists and those who support them, it is
> not with muslims. Don't you feel the persecuted people of Afghanistan,
> especially the women, need to be rescued?
Um, ask your rightoid brethren here in the n-g what they want to do to help
fleeing Afghanis these days... shut the borders of N-America, mass
deportations, etc...
> Perhaps you support the
> fanatical excesses of the Taliban?
Wrong yet agin, pal. Look at your own intolerant posts here over the years and
ask honestly, albeit privately, "Which can-politics regulars initiate thread
after thread flaming all things and/or people they can't accept?" (Hint- take
a peek at the sickeroii, scummyjim, shrill scott & others whose threads name
someone here they don't like and are dedicated to flaming)
> Perhaps you support the slavery in
> the Sudan? No doubt you feel Saddam is a wonderful and benevolent
> leader of Iraq. If those leaders have supported terror then they
> deserve to be brought down.
Oh, here we are, and it didn't take long at all! You're now accusing me of
supporting all these things for my thought-crime of not jumping on your half
assed, knee jerk 1-wheeled band wagon.... and your "pathological
anti-American" comment was rich when I first saw it & almost Kafkaesque to see
you applying it to me in such pure Pavlovian form.
>
>
> How can anyone obliterate the Middle East or kill all Muslems? Those
> are bizarre ideas. Are you of your medication?
Am I 'of <my> medication'? No, are you 'of' yours?
Erik T
"EricŠ" wrote:
> RES wrote...
>
> > Now there's an erudite comment. Of course, nothing of the substance of
> > Chomsky's remarks are addressed. But then again, why should you start
> > now? RES
>
> Lambourn* reviles Jews when they fail to adapt to his world. Perhaps you
> were not around a few years ago when he launched an attack on 'Jew-
> controlled Hollywood'.
I missed that one, but remember his 'wayward Jews' take on people like Avi
Lewis versus 'the real Jews' who're all innately dedicated to capitalism...
he also misuses the term anti-semite, but I'll keep this post short...
>
>
> I suspect that we are still witnessing the residuals from the pasting he
> got over that thread.
>
> Face it: Lambourn's world is his basement, his computer, and these
> newsgroups. He hates everything but rats and cockroaches. And Cuba and
> Red China, of course.
>
> *refers to Ontario, Canada's John Lambourn, most often posting these days
> as 'Ciceroii' and 'Iconoclast'. 'Tiresias' may come back on occasion,
> and you can never completely count 'Cerise Lopez' out . . .
Cerise Lopez? I wander where else on usenet he tramps around under that
moniker...
batman
Ulysses
We've read your postings, ciceroii, and frankly, I wouldn't be going
about accusing folks of being deranged, dispicable or a menace if I
were you. Not unless you aspire to laughter.