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World Giving Up On Feasibility Of Windpower--A Brief Quixotic Idea Whose Time Has Gone

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Clyde Armstrong

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Aug 29, 2011, 7:40:35 AM8/29/11
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Still another blow against the idiotic advocacies of crazy leftist Al
Gore--our modern Don Quixote.

http://frontpagemag.com/2011/08/28/wind-power-is-dying/

American Thinker

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Aug 29, 2011, 8:55:53 AM8/29/11
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You stupid leftist, No one cares what the non-USA socialist world does. This
is America and the policy making science experts at Fox News tell me that
coal imported from Africa is the answer to all our power needs. The fact
that it kills 50,000 americans a year can only be construed as a profitable
but pleasant consequence because most of them are in the Red States, so
nobody cares.

Left wing power sources such as natural gas, solar, wind or nuclear undermine
conservative ideology and free market capitalism. Something you wouldn't
know because of being a marxist from socialist Canada.

When Michele Bachmann becomes our President, stay away from the USA because
senile octigenarian geriatrics like you will be put down because you do
nothing to contribute to the economy.

Chom Noamsky

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Aug 29, 2011, 12:02:54 PM8/29/11
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What do you expect crackpot websites like FPM to tell you... the truth
is that global production of wind power is increasing, and the rate of
that growth is also increasing. We're just at the toe of the curve.

Harry Merrick

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Aug 29, 2011, 4:43:57 PM8/29/11
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On Mon, 29 Aug 2011 09:02:54 -0700, Chom Noamsky <bea...@stew.tasty>
wrote:

IF you are right, then horrible mistakes are being made by persons who
should know better. Wind Turbines are the MOST inefficient method of
generating electricity of all, and ensure huge hikes in the cost of
buying power by the general public. This is yet another scam for the
rich to make money at the expense of the rest of us.

Harry Merrick.

Chom Noamsky

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Aug 29, 2011, 5:09:23 PM8/29/11
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What people don't realize is the cheap energy we're used to is only that
way because the price doesn't include the full life cycle cost.
Nuclear, for example, once the cost of dealing with those massive
stockpiles of waste is accounted for, and the cost of cleaning up
disasters like Chernobyl and Fukushima, will prove to be the most
expensive energy mankind has ever produced. At least with wind power
prices are far more realistic in terms of ACTUAL COST. Coal, oil, etc,
have considerable post-consumption costs which are being socialized on
the general population, and the folks being forced to absorb those costs
are not necessarily the folks who incurred them.

Dänk 42Ø

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Aug 29, 2011, 9:49:26 PM8/29/11
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Most people forget that windmill generators require large amounts of neodymium, a rare-earth
metal, which like other rare-earth elements, China controls most of the world's supply of.

China knows how valuable rare-earths are to the West, and has begun restricting exports. The
mining of rare-earths also produces considerable pollution, pollution that is conveniently
ignored by yuppie environmentalists in California, who brag about how "green" they are because
they pay extra for wind energy.

In just the last six months, the price of neodymium has gone from $140 to $475 per kilogram.
Much of the rise is due to export controls as well as speculation, but demand can only keep
going up, while new mines outside of China have yet to be developed.

http://nucleargreen.blogspot.com/2009/01/jack-liftons-research-on-mineral.html

"Neodymium total world production is less than 20,000 tons. That may sound like a lot to you,
but it's tiny. And the fact is it's recently been projected that a single wind turbine electric
generator producing 1 megawatt of electricity requires one ton of neodymium."

"Substitution for neodymium is possible in wind generators, but apparently at a price. Neodymium
lowers magnet weight. Magnets built with alternative materials and alternative technologies
weigh more. Heavier turbines will require more support, which means more concrete and steel in
the support tower, and greater materials and construction cost for the wind turbine."

http://www.rechargenews.com/energy/wind/article273216.ece

"[Industry insiders] believe Goldwind'’s turbine costs have increased by 200 to 300 yuan per kW
from the start of 2011 because of magnet price rises. Average selling prices will be around
3,588 yuan [US$562] per kW this year.

40%Çonned

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Aug 30, 2011, 8:05:06 PM8/30/11
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129 individual wind farms already in Canada. . . . .

http://www.canwea.ca/farms/wind-farms_e.php

And for future initiatives - driven by the Provinces in Canada . . . . .

http://www.canwea.ca/wind-energy/index_e.php

And for you anti-environmentalists, this is an appropriate site:

Get the Facts: Myth Busting.
Some concerns about wind technology are akin to urban myth. One Canadian newspaper reported that
turbines as high as 1,000 feet were a threat to aircraft. With all due respect, there is no
wind turbine on the planet half that height. As for noise, at 300 metres from the base,
electronic monitoring have determined a typical wind turbine makes little more than a whispering
sound. Get the facts on the myths:

http://www.canwea.ca/wind-energy/myths_e.php


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