Ernst Zundel Tells the truth -Isr-eli Journalist Interviews Ernst Zundel
anarchore
Jewish(Zionist) Congress head Irwin Cotler got him railroaded on a
false 'security certificate' - they said his presence in Canada
"could cause violence".
What the faux-J-wish Zionists really meant, was that if the Canadian
people realized the snow-job the Zionists had pulled on them, that
they would give the Ziofascists a happy send-off.
Zundel in an interview with the Isr-eli press, telling the unvarnished
truth, the truth you will never hear on the largely J-wish Zionist
controlled media in Canada.
He tells the truth about Ira Ehrenberg, the J-wish atrocities of WWII
and the Soviet Union.
I would never have believed this if I hadn't come across the
information in my research independently.
Zundel was telling the truth all along with conviction.
He was too articulate, obviously a threat to the Rothschild connected
faux-J-wish Isr-eli pressure groups that control Canada's political
life.
"Chutzpah that staggers the Goyish imagination"
anarchore
You owe it to yourself, to find out the truth. Don't just believe or
disbelieve, use your God given brain, do the research, and find out
for yourselves what the hell we are up against. Ignorance is NOT
bliss!
Mike
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Whoever is right or wrong all opinions should be heard. The
international conspiracy (for that is what it is) to silence and
imprison Zundel does the case on one side no good at all.
Roy
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> Whoever is right or wrong all opinions should be heard. The
> international conspiracy (for that is what it is) to silence and
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Zundel is a big-mouth kraut...and an ignorant twit.
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William Black
> This is why the Zionists like Justice Minister and former Canadian
> Jewish(Zionist) Congress head Irwin Cotler got him railroaded on a
> false 'security certificate' - they said his presence in Canada
> "could cause violence".
What is more the Jewish doctors and their Muslim soldiers are coming to
get you in their black helicopters and they'll lock you away and fill
your body with their polluting drugs.
Your only hope is to hide under the stairs and wear a tinfoil hat
But remember, you MUST switch off your computer and destroy it utterly,
otherwise they'll catch you...
--
William Black
So I looked at the script
It was six weeks filming in the desert.
No girls, no dialogue, just guys with guns.
They said "Do you want wages or a percentage?"
It looked like a certain turkey.
When they came the second time I was ready.
I haven't had to work since...
Eli Wallach on his roles in
"The Magnificent Seven"
and "The Good the Bad and The Ugly
Mike
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> > international conspiracy (for that is what it is) to silence and
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> Zundel is a big-mouth kraut...and an ignorant twit.
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Is that your best shot?
Mike
> anarchore wrote:
> > This is why the Zionists like Justice Minister and former Canadian
> > Jewish(Zionist) Congress head Irwin Cotler got him railroaded on a
> > false 'security certificate' - � they said his presence in Canada
> > "could cause violence".
>
parris_k
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> Whoever is right or wrong all opinions should be heard. The
> international conspiracy (for that is what it is) to silence and
> imprison Zundel does the case on one side no good at all.
Well, there's only an "international conspiracy to imprison him" in
the sense that any law is a conspiracy.
But I generally agree. In fact, he should be encouraged, especially in
expressing his views on secret Nazi UFO bases in Antarctica.
Kixi
>
>
> Whoever is right or wrong all opinions should be heard. The
> international conspiracy (for that is what it is) to silence and
> imprison Zundel does the case on one side no good at all.
Millions are Zundel followers and ready to die for him at his command. First
we will exterminate the Anarchists, then the Communists, then the Muslim sand
niggers and then The Joos!
The Communist were leftist and they said they were fighting for
freedom. In Spain they sided with the anarchists. The Communists and the
anarchists were the same people or the same type of people. The Communists
were for having government but only temporarily. They said that their
government was necessary only until the whole world was Communist. After
the world was Communist they wanted to disolve the government and have an
anarchy.
Mein Kampf is proof that your media lies. If your media were telling
the truth it would say why Hitler was against the Jews. It is not a hard
thing to figure out. He was against them mainly because he belived that the
Jews controlled the media and because the Jews were behind Communism. Here
are some quotes from Mein Kampf:
"In my eyes the charge against Judaism became a grave one the moment
I discovered the Jewish activities in the Press, in art, in literature and
the theatre. All unctuous protests were now more or less futile. One
needed
only to look at the posters announcing the hideous productions of the
cinema and theatre, and study the names of the authors who were highly
lauded there in order to become permanently adamant on Jewish questions.
Here was a pestilence, a moral pestilence, with which the public was being
infected. It was worse that the Black Plague of long ago. And in what
mighty doses this poison was manufactured and distributed. Naturally, the
lower the moral and intellectual level of such an author of artistic
products the more inexhaustible his fecundity. Sometimes it went so far
that one of these fellows, acting like a sewage pump, would shoot his
filth
directly in the face of other members of the human race. In this
connection
we must remember there is no limit to the number of such people. One ought
to realize that for one Goethe, Nature may bring into existance ten
thousand such despoilers who act as the worst kind of germ-carriers in
poisoning human souls. It was a terrible thought, and yet it could not be
avoided, that the greater number of the Jews seemed specially destined by
Nature to play this shameful part.
"And is it for this reason that they can be called the chosen
people?
"I began then to investigate carefully the names of all the
fabricators of these unclean products in public cultural life. The result
of that inquiry was still more disfavourable to the attitude which I had
hitherto held in regard to the Jews. Though my feelings might rebel a
thousand time, reason now had to draw its own conclusions.
"The fact that nine-tenths of all the smutty literature, artistic
tripe and theatrical banalities, had to be charged to the account of
people
who formed scarcely one per cent of the nation- that fact could not be
gainsaid. It was there, and had to be admitted. Then I began to examine my
favorite 'World Press', with that fact before my mind.
"The deeper my soundings went the lesser grew my respect for that
Press which I formerly admired. Its style became still more repellant and
I
was forced to reject its ideas as entirely shallow and superficial. To
claim that in the presentation of facts and views its attitide was
impartial seemed to me to contain more falsehood than truth. The writers
were- Jews.
"Thousands of details that I had scarcely noticed before seemed to
me
now to deserve attention. I began to grasp and understand things which I
had formerly looked at in a different light."
"Making an effort to overcome my natural reluctance, I tried to
read articles of this nature published in the Marxist Press; but in doing
so my aversion increased all the more. And then I set about learning
something of the people who wrote and published this mischievous stuff.
From the publisher downwards, all of them were Jews. I recalled to mind
the
names of the public leaders of Marxism, and then I realized that most of
them belonged to the Chosen Race- the Social Democratic representatives in
the Imperial Cabinet as well as the secretaries if the Trades Unions and
the street agitators. Everywhere the same sinister picture presented
itself. I shall never forget the row of names- Austerlitz, David, Adler,
Ellonbogen, and others. One fact became quite evident to me. It was that
this alien race held in its hands the leadership of that Social Democratic
Party with whose minor representatives I had been disputing for months
past."
Kenneth McVay OBC
anarcbore <anar...@reborn.com> wrote:
>This is why the Zionists like Justice Minister and former Canadian
>Jewish(Zionist) Congress head Irwin Cotler got him railroaded on a
>false 'security certificate' - they said his presence in Canada
>"could cause violence".
That's funny. Zundel railroaded? That's even funnier.
See Zundel's flunkies in their Village People outfits:
http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/z/zundel-ernst
http://decisions.fct-cf.gc.ca/en/2005/2005fc295/2005fc295.html
"[1] On May 1, 2003, the Minister of Citizenship and Immigration and the
Solicitor General of Canada (the Ministers) signed a certificate stating
that Ernst Zuendel, a permanent resident of Canada, is inadmissible on
grounds of security, specifically, that there are reasonable grounds to
believe that Mr. Zuendel is inadmissible pursuant to sections 33,
34(1)(c), (d), (e) and (f) of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act,
S.C. 2001, c.27 (Immigration Act or IRPA)."
"[5] The position of the Ministers is that the certificate is
reasonable and that based on the information and evidence available,
Mr. Zuendel is inadmissible to Canada on security grounds. The basis
of that belief is that Mr. Zuendel's status within the White
Supremacist Movement (the Movement) is such that he is a leader
and ideologue who inspires, influences, supports
and directs adherents of the Movement to actuate his ideology.
"[6] It is important to note that Mr. Z�ndel's views on the Holocaust had
been known for years, but were of no concern to the Canadian Security
Intelligence Service (CSIS). They may well have been an irritant to
many and may have been considered as vile and perverse, but they were
not enough to label him as a security threat. Rather, the investigations
only began when Mr. Z�ndel crossed the boundaries of free speech
and pursuant to the Ministers' opinion, entered the realm of incitement
to hatred and potential political violence in relation to the White
Supremacist Movement.
"[7] The Ministers also suggest that Mr. Zuendel intends serious
violence to be a consequence of his influence and to this extent,
Mr. Zuendel is engaged in the propagation of serious political
violence to a degree commensurate with those who actually execute
the acts. It is these alleged activities that the Ministers
believe make Mr. Zuendel inadmissible to Canada on security grounds."
--
"Streicher commit suicide while in the Nuremberg Jail But you
people did hang him after that"
(Kurt Knoll, Kitimat, B.C.'s Leading Revisionist Moron)
The Nizkor Project: http://www.nizkor.org/
Kenneth McVay OBC
No, that is not what happened, but then, you already
knew that.
Zundel consorted with, and employed, known felons -
people with a history of violence. That in itself was
enough to cause his ridiculous "refugee" claim down the
crapper.
http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/p/prutschi-manuel/zundel-affair/za-06.html
Propaganda Techniques and Activities
Most of Z�ndel's material takes the form of circulars, leaflets
and letters, including letters to the editor: occasionally, he also
issues questionnaires. Some of his organizations have distinctive
letterheads, e.g., Concerned Parents of German Descent, which
features a pre-adolescent blonde girl against a dark background,
curled up, fragile and fearful, with a teardrop descending from
each eye. The pathos-inspiring caption underneath reads, "HELP US."
The German-Jewish Historical Commission sports an imperial eagle
in the top left corner and a Star of David on the right.
Z�ndel's style is also distinctive: a tightly packed text,
sometimes with press clippings and commentaries appended. His
mail-order operation purveys books, pamphlets, tapes, video
cassettes, films, records and art. There are homemade
audio-visual productions. as well as tapes of media interviews
in which the self-appointed defender of Germany's honour is the
star attraction. Fantasy in space, as well as fantasy in history,
is included, with such titles as "UFO'S - Nazi Secret Weapon?" or
"Little Known UFO Sightings from Around the World."
The catalogue also shows that Samisdat serves as a
clearing-house for Holocaust denial publications from all over
the world. Authors represented are the Americans, Arthur Butz,
with his The Hoax of the Twentieth Century, and Austin J. App,
with his The Six Million Swindle; the Briton Richard Harwood,
with his pamphlet Did Six Million Really Die?; the Germans, Udo
Walendy, with (among other titles) Truth for Germany: The Guilt
Question of the Second World War and Thies Christophersen, with
his Auschwitz: Truth or Lie; the Frenchman Robert Faurisson,
with his taped presentation ("in slide show form") on the
"fraudulent character of the gas chambers"; and the Swede
Ditlieb Felderer on videotape with The Anne Frank Diary Hoax.
For US$10, one can obtain South Africa Today, in which life
in the last white bastion in Africa is described as it
"really is."[61]
A great deal of Nazi material can be ordered, especially
tapes of Hitler's speeches with a "simultaneous English-
language translation." One can hear "the man whose voice
captured the hearts and minds of millions of enthusiastic
supporters." Other Nazi offerings include the movie
Triumph of the Will, which is advertised as "The Third
Reich's Version of the Woodstock Festival." For only $10,
one can purchase Hitler Declares War on Poland or Hitler
Declares War on America; one can also purchase "Hitler's
sad but powerfully prophetic final broadcast from Berlin
on January 1, 1945." Besides Nazi speeches, the Music of
the Third Reich can be obtained, offering "old favourites"
like the "Horst Wessel Lied," and the "Badenweiler March,"
described as "Hitler's favourite."
One can further assuage one's penchant for Nazi melodies
with "Black shirt and Brown shirt Stormtrooper Songs and
Marches." Art is also available; the Nazi aficionado can
obtain for two dollars "large, beautiful illustrations of
Nazi Secret Weapons suitable for framing." Devising a
symbol based on the old runic form of the letter "Z," the
ingenious artist-entrepreneur has marketed his own creation
as "Thor's Warrior Belt Buckle," which comes with an
"embossed Lightning Bolt of Thor," and the "Amulet of Thor,"
depicting "Thor's Lightning Bolt within the Sacred Sun Symbol."
In both cases, the lightning bolt is the letter "Z."
[...]
Outside of North America, West Germany constitutes his
principal target, where (as in Canada) his mass mailings are
aimed at parliamentarians. In December 1983, he sent the
book "Allied War Crimes" to all members of the West German
parliament, acquiring in his homeland an ideologically
sympathetic clientele for his mail order business. In
December 1980, the Parliamentary Secretary of State for
the Federal Ministry of Finance announced in the
Bundestag that. between January 1, 1978 and December 30,
1979, "200 shipments of a right wing extremist and neo-Nazi
content...books, periodicals, symbols, decorations, films,
cassettes, records...came overwhelmingly from Canada."[65] He
added that, as a result of similar shipments during the
first half of 1980, prosecutions were being considered.
On April 23, 1981, in a letter to the Canadian Jewish
Congress, an official of the Ministry of Finance in Bonn
identified the source of these materials as "Samisdat
Publishers, 206 Carlton Street, Toronto, Ontario, Canada
M5A 2L1."[66] A story on Simon Wiesenthal in the New York
Times Magazine of May 3, 1981, provides a particularly
telling example of how Z�ndel's mailings filter through
German society and beyond. A Dutch tourist, vacationing
in Upper Austria, was supplied with antisemitic material
by a gas station attendant, who, in turn, had obtained the
writings from a friend who was a Samisdat subscriber.[67]
Canada, the United States, Germany and Europe do not
comprise the limits of Z�ndel's reach: Australia is also
within his orbit, as is the Middle East. In the summer of
1981, 400 tapes in the Arabic language apparently were
shipped to opinion-makers in Arab lands.[68] Z�ndel's
claim to be in touch with people in 45 to 47 countries
in at least 14 different languages is not impossible: an
impressive operation indeed! This propaganda mill is by
no means an altruistic enterprise. While much of the
material is mailed unsolicited, much of it, together
with his vast mail order enterprise, generates funds.
Police sources estimate that a steady income ranging
between $60000-100000 per annum comes from his empire.
Moreover, he has frequently appealed directly for money.
A report of the West German Ministry of the Interior
reveals that, in one fund-raising campaign in 1980,
Z�ndel raised close to 100000 German marks (the
equivalent of $50000).[69] Even this estimate may be
too modest. In one of his own publications in 1981, he
pooh-poohed the German magazine Der Spiegel for
guessing that his total annual budget amounted to
100000 marks, countering indignantly that "Samisdat
has long ago exceeded the figure...for no organization
that spans the world and reaches forty-five countries
can manage with so low a budget."[70]
--
The Nizkor Project - An electronic Holocaust educational resource
David Irving, Holocaust denial, and his connections to Right-Wing
Extremists and Neo-Nazism in Germany:
http://www2.ca.nizkor.org/hweb/people/f/funke-hajo/
Mike
> In article <6d941ddd-c5b3-4be4-aab0-52dd8ae2e...@n11g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
>
> Mike �<MikeinCam...@aol.com> wrote:
> >On 8 July, 08:23, William Black <william.bl...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> >> anarchore wrote:
> >> > This is why the Zionists like Justice Minister and former Canadian
> >> > Jewish(Zionist) Congress head Irwin Cotler got him railroaded on a
> >> > false 'security certificate' - � they said his presence in Canada
> >> > "could cause violence".
>
> >But that is what happened.
>
> No, that is not what happened, but then, you already
> knew that.
>
> Zundel consorted with, and employed, known felons -
> people with a history of violence. That in itself was
> enough to cause his ridiculous "refugee" claim down the
> crapper.
>
Wrong opinions then - stick him in priosn,
ralph
<anar...@reborn.com> wrote:
>I would never have believed this if I hadn't come across the
>information in my research independently.
>
Zundel? Is that disgusting nazi hate mongerer still alive?
Zundel is well-known as a lying RACIST fuckwit ... only other lying
racist fuckwits would embarrass themselves by promoting the turd.
Mike
> On Wed, 8 Jul 2009 07:51:21 -0700 (PDT), anarchore
>
> >I would never have believed this if I hadn't come across the
> >information in my research independently.
>
> Zundel? �Is that disgusting nazi hate mongerer still alive?
>
> Zundel is well-known as a lying RACIST fuckwit ... only other lying
> racist fuckwits would embarrass themselves by promoting the turd.
You just don't get freedom of speech do you Ralph? All you can do is
mouth obscenities as an argument. It's unimpressive. If people like
you were in charge no one would be able to say anything you disagreed
with and you'd probably start a mass murder campaign. Luckily things
are not that bad.
Farmer Giles
Oh, come, come, my dear chap. We can't have any old Tom, Dick, or Ernst,
going round challenging 'accepted' versions of history. Just what do
you think this sort of thing could lead to?
Mike
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You are right Farner Giles. I'm sorry. The people must be guided by
those who know what is good for them rather than making up their own
minds. Please accept my apologies.
Kixi
>
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>
> > Whoever is right or wrong all opinions should be heard. The
> > international conspiracy (for that is what it is) to silence and
> > imprison Zundel does the case on one side no good at all.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Zundel is a big-mouth kraut...and an ignorant twit.
>
> - Show quoted text -
If Zundel is "a big-mouth kraut...and an ignorant twit" why would the
jews go to so much trouble to lock him up?
BTW the other "Kixi" who has posted here who changes the title and
follow-up groups, is an imposter. Beware of jewish deception.
William Black
> If Zundel is "a big-mouth kraut...and an ignorant twit" why would the
> jews go to so much trouble to lock him up?
Because he's a very good liar with some very rich friends.
Such people are dangerous.
Mike
You are saying the Jews lock people up for having rich friends and
lying?
SPierce
"anarchore" <anar...@reborn.com> wrote in message
news:30355ecd-d233-4398...@r15g2000pra.googlegroups.com...
(snipped)
Yes, it staggers the imagination. I believed in the Jewish post-war
propaganda for 50 years.
But notice, there is no media condemnation of how we were fooled for so
long. The next generation will take vengeance out on them again...without
Muslim help. All it will take is a long financial meltdown and loss of
jobs, more third world refugees demanding 'rights', and most importantly
the financial wipe-out of the middle class as in Germany in 1923. We seem
destined to it.
Kixi
> Kixi wrote:
> > If Zundel is "a big-mouth kraut...and an ignorant twit" why would the
> > jews go to so much trouble to lock him up?
>
> Because he's a very good liar with some very rich friends.
>
> Such people are dangerous.
>
> --
> William Black
He's dangrous? To whom?
See the video posted in the first message here and you will see who
felt threatened.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVkp96Gm5tU
auda...@hotmail.com
-" . Beware of jewish deception". - kixi
but relax around yours? dax
Cold Lazarus
> Oh, come, come, my dear chap. We can't have any old Tom, Dick, or Ernst,
> going round challenging 'accepted' versions of history. Just what do
> you think this sort of thing could lead to?
>
>
Made up versions of history conjured up by anti-semites with an agenda who
also claim phony persecution? Nothing but debunked crap.
Not much. Just proof that they're wackjobs. Pretty well defines NAZI
sympathisers, weak minded hate mongerers and Hitler worshipers these days
anarchore
> Farmer Giles wrote
>
> > Oh, come, come, my dear chap. We can't have any old Tom, Dick, or Ernst,
> > going round challenging 'accepted' versions of history. Just what do
> > you think this sort of thing could lead to?
>
> Made up versions of history conjured up by anti-semites with an agenda who
> also claim phony persecution? Nothing but debunked crap.
No dopey, the documentation is there.
>
> Not much. Just proof that they're wackjobs. Pretty well defines NAZI
> sympathisers, weak minded hate mongerers and Hitler worshipers these days
Yeah yeah yeah... you sound like a Bnai B'rith press release...
Cold Lazarus
>
> No dopey, the documentation is there.
According to whom? You? Fuck! Like that's credible with all the bull shit
you spout here every day. You're too funny. More of your wacky websites?
>
> >
> > Not much. Just proof that they're wackjobs. Pretty well defines NAZI
> > sympathisers, weak minded hate mongerers and Hitler worshipers these days
>
> Yeah yeah yeah... you sound like a Bnai B'rith press release...
You would know. You're probably another self loathing Jew like Gary Schipper.
>
> http://ziofascism.net/blog/
>
Ooh! A BLOG! Impressive!
Boo! Hoo! Looks like I hurt a little Nazis feelings!
Life is tough. Chump. Suck it up you weak piece of shit.
Maybe you could start by getting off of the dole.
Kevin Jones
>
> -" . Beware of jewish deception". - kixi
>
> but relax around yours? dax
>
>
>
Kixi's just another immigrant sand nigger who belongs back in the middle east,
but is too much of a coward to go there because he's afraid to fight for what
he believes in. He's like Zundel. Never belonged in Canada in the first
place. Just more hateful immigrant filth. What we need to do is to round
up those cocksuckers and ship them back on a raft.
Peter Webb
Could you define "faux-J-wish Zionists" please?
You do have some idea of what it is supposed to mean, right?
So, what does it mean?
Kenneth McVay OBC
So, er, you defend Ernst Zundel's public calls for
censorship?
Is that correct?
http://nizkor.org/hweb/people/z/zundel-ernst/censorship/
Oopsie.
--
"People want to know all the facts whatever they are true
or not." (Kurt Knoll, Kitimat's Leading Revisionist Scholar
and all-round moron.)
Kenneth McVay OBC
A great deal of laughter.
--
"We all know it but they will have us believe they have absolutely no
influence on governments. Not believing it would be anti emetic."
(Kurt Knoll, Kitimat, B.C.'s Leading Revisionist Scholar)
Kenneth McVay OBC
"The Jews" didn't lock Zundel up, the German government
did.
Do try to focus.
--
"What did you say. Did the burry the train with the show wen
can you show us the buried train Sara. As you know seeing is beliving."
Kenneth McVay OBC
SPierce <ecr...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>Yes, it staggers the imagination. I believed in the Jewish post-war
>propaganda for 50 years.
Which propaganda might that be? Do be precise.
>But notice, there is no media condemnation of how we were fooled for so
>long.
Golly, perhaps that is because no one was fooled...
it's just one of those sorry-assed lines racist, Jew
baiting morons use...
Oh, Gee! That would appear to be you!
--
"Streicher commit suicide while in the Nuremberg Jail But you
people did hang him after that"
(Kurt Knoll, Kitimat, B.C.'s Leading Revisionist Moron)
ralph
<anar...@reborn.com> wrote:
>On Jul 9, 2:57 am, Cold Lazarus <coldlaza...@ymail.com> wrote:
>> Farmer Giles wrote
>>
>> > Oh, come, come, my dear chap. We can't have any old Tom, Dick, or Ernst,
>> > going round challenging 'accepted' versions of history. Just what do
>> > you think this sort of thing could lead to?
>>
>> Made up versions of history conjured up by anti-semites with an agenda who
>> also claim phony persecution? Nothing but debunked crap.
>
>No dopey, the documentation is there.
>
PML ... published by the anti-semitic liars who made it up.
ralph
wrote:
>On 8 July, 14:03, ralph <rstead...@geocities.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 8 Jul 2009 07:51:21 -0700 (PDT), anarchore
>>
>> <anarch...@reborn.com> wrote:
>> >I would never have believed this if I hadn't come across the
>> >information in my research independently.
>>
>> Zundel? ?Is that disgusting nazi hate mongerer still alive?
>>
>> Zundel is well-known as a lying RACIST fuckwit ... only other lying
>> racist fuckwits would embarrass themselves by promoting the turd.
>
>You just don't get freedom of speech do you Ralph? All you can do is
>mouth obscenities as an argument. It's unimpressive. If people like
>you were in charge no one would be able to say anything you disagreed
>with and you'd probably start a mass murder campaign. Luckily things
>are not that bad.
I get freedom of speech ... I used it right there to label a racist
turd as a 'racist turd' :D
I also know freedom of speech has never guaranteed the right to lie in
any civilised country, no matter how much those Holocaust-denying
liars cry about it.
Mike
>
> I also know freedom of speech has never guaranteed the right to lie in
> any civilised country, no matter how much those Holocaust-denying
>
> - Show quoted text -
Oh but it does Ralph. You know nothing. In fact the essence of free
speech is that people can say things other people regard as utter
rubbish. The exceptions are libel and giving evidence on oath plus
contract. In general conversation anyone can tell any lie they like.
If lying were banned Blair and Brown would be in prison along with
half the population.
What you really mean is you want certain people imprisoned for saying
certain things. If we could all do that the entire population would be
in prison.
Mike
As the European Court of Human Rights put in the leading case
Handyside. Freedom of speech which does not include the right to
offend others is worthless.
Ariadne
> On 8 July, 07:59, anarchore <anarch...@reborn.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jul 8, 3:51 pm, anarchore <anarch...@reborn.com> wrote:
>
> > > This is why the Zionists like Justice Minister and former Canadian
> > > Jewish(Zionist) Congress head Irwin Cotler got him railroaded on a
> > > false 'security certificate' - they said his presence in Canada
> > > "could cause violence".
>
> > > What the faux-J-wish Zionists really meant, was that if the Canadian
> > > people realized the snow-job the Zionists had pulled on them, that
> > > they would give the Ziofascists a happy send-off.
>
> > > Zundel in an interview with the Isr-eli press, telling the unvarnished
> > > truth, the truth you will never hear on the largely J-wish Zionist
> > > controlled media in Canada.
>
> > > He tells the truth about Ira Ehrenberg, the J-wish atrocities of WWII
> > > and the Soviet Union.
>
> > > information in my research independently.
>
>
> > > He was too articulate, obviously a threat to the Rothschild connected
> > > faux-J-wish Isr-eli pressure groups that control Canada's political
> > > life.
>
>
> > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVkp96Gm5tU
>
> > disbelieve, use your God given brain, do the research, and find out
> > for yourselves what the hell we are up against. Ignorance is NOT
> > bliss!
>
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> international conspiracy (for that is what it is)
...in that diseased portion of your brain...
What other law-breaking do you support?
Ariadne
> On 8 July, 14:03, ralph <rstead...@geocities.com> wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 8 Jul 2009 07:51:21 -0700 (PDT), anarchore
>
> > <anarch...@reborn.com> wrote:
> > >I would never have believed this if I hadn't come across the
> > >information in my research independently.
>
> > Zundel? Is that disgusting nazi hate mongerer still alive?
>
> > Zundel is well-known as a lying RACIST fuckwit ... only other lying
> > racist fuckwits would embarrass themselves by promoting the turd.
>
> You just don't get freedom of speech do you Ralph?
Why do you persist in your lying, MikeinKreuz?
It is that you call lying free speech? Or is it
just that your Jew-hatred removes you totally
from reason?
Ariadne
>
> Oh, come, come, my dear chap. We can't have any old Tom, Dick, or Ernst,
> you think this sort of thing could lead to?
Corrected your typo, dhimmi.
Ariadne
>
> - Show quoted text -
Pathetic. Ken McVay posts pure gold and
you'd rather we consumed well-rotted ordure.
Poor show for the Sieg Heil Allah boys.
Ariadne
> > I also know freedom of speech has never guaranteed the right to lie in
> > any civilised country, no matter how much those Holocaust-denying
> > liars cry about it.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Oh but it does Ralph. You know nothing.
He certainly would if he swallowed your
(neo)Nazi propaganda.
Ariadne
When did "offend others" start to mean
"lying in order to promote antisemitism"?
Mike
>
> - Show quoted text -
Government and umpteen groups have been lying for decades to promote
racial hatred against whites. The answer is not imprisonment but open
debate.
Ariadne
That still doesn't mean what you tried
to pervert it to mean above.
A lot of people and groups lie for their
own benefit and "Where are the votes?"
and "Where is the funding?" set them
off rather than an intrinsic hatred of a
particular skin colour.
Whereas antisemitism...
William Black
I don't think the Jews do the locking up.
I think in this case it was the German and Canadian governments.
William Black
> On Jul 8, 4:05 pm, William Black <william.bl...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>> Kixi wrote:
>>> If Zundel is "a big-mouth kraut...and an ignorant twit" why would the
>>> jews go to so much trouble to lock him up?
>> Because he's a very good liar with some very rich friends.
>>
>> Such people are dangerous.
>>
>> --
>> William Black
>
> He's dangrous? To whom?
To the people he incited violence against.
Mike
>
> - Show quoted text -
White people have been persistently racially demonised for decades -
Empire slavery guilt etc.
Exactly the same sort of thing as the Jews complain of. We just don't
respond by wanting people deporting and imprisoning or silenced by
law.
Ariadne
> White people have been persistently racially demonised for decades -
> Empire slavery guilt etc.
> Exactly the same sort of thing as the Jews complain of. We just don't
> respond by wanting people deporting and imprisoning or silenced by
> law.
Can't you even spot when your "argument"
becomes nonsensical?
White people are not a race. Jews are not a
race.
Start there and maybe some sense will emerge.
Mike
Both are categorised as racial groups as far as those demonising them
are concerned. And that's the phenomenon under discussion. You don't
like it against Jews but there's little complaint about the same thing
with whites - to blame for everything.
Farmer Giles
I'm pretty sure that any 'reasonable' person reading this can easily
discern just who is 'lying' - and who is, and who is not, willing to
debate openly.
The point is quite simple. That whatever someone believes - whether it
be that the earth is flat or that the Holocaust didn't happen, in a free
society they should be able to put their case forward and debate it
openly. The suppression of free and open debate is rarely - if ever -
justified, and generally only serves to tell us that someone has
something to hide.
(Cue another round of frothing, vacuous name-calling and charges of
'antisemitism' - whatever that loaded misnomer is supposed to mean).
Mike
>
> - Show quoted text -
Excellently put Farmer.
Suppression of free speech does not necessarily mean something to
hide. It can also mean simply that certain views don't suit certain
interests. As I tirelessly point out, 'The Holocaust' has little to do
with Jews dying in the war and a great deal to do with money and power
for Jews and the left right now. Make people feel bad so they give
them what they want. Thus Brown's and Obama's visits to Auschwitz
recently. Everyone's on the bandwagon.
"Vote for me I went to Auschwitz".
Ariadne
> On 9 July, 03:46, Ariadne <ariadne....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On 9 July, 11:38, Mike <MikeinCam...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > White people have been persistently racially demonised for decades -
> > > Empire slavery guilt etc.
> > > Exactly the same sort of thing as the Jews complain of. We just don't
> > > respond by wanting people deporting and imprisoning or silenced by
> > > law.
>
> > Can't you even spot when your "argument"
> > becomes nonsensical?
>
> > White people are not a race. Jews are not a
> > race.
>
> > Start there and maybe some sense will emerge.
>
> Both are categorised as racial groups as far as those demonising them
> are concerned.
Irrelevant.
Maybe you would take a thief as a
fount of wisdom on personal property
but no sane person would.
> And that's the phenomenon under discussion.
The phenomenon under discussion
is Zundel's lying, hatemongering and
incitement to violence.
You don't appear to be able to face it.
Maundering excised,.
Ariadne
> Ariadne wrote:
> > On 8 July, 22:28, Mike <MikeinCam...@aol.com> wrote:
> >> On 8 July, 14:03, ralph <rstead...@geocities.com> wrote:
>
> >>> On Wed, 8 Jul 2009 07:51:21 -0700 (PDT), anarchore
> >>> <anarch...@reborn.com> wrote:
> >>>> I would never have believed this if I hadn't come across the
> >>>> information in my research independently.
> >>> Zundel? Is that disgusting nazi hate mongerer still alive?
> >>> Zundel is well-known as a lying RACIST fuckwit ... only other lying
> >>> racist fuckwits would embarrass themselves by promoting the turd.
> >> You just don't get freedom of speech do you Ralph?
>
> > Why do you persist in your lying, MikeinKreuz?
>
> > It is that you call lying free speech? Or is it
> > just that your Jew-hatred removes you totally
> > from reason?
>
> I'm pretty sure that any 'reasonable' person reading this can easily
> discern just who is 'lying'
We can. They support the lying criminal Zundel
Ariadne
> Suppression of free speech does not necessarily mean something to
> hide.
You are sick.
Lying, hatred and incitement to
violence are not free speech.
I am beginning to wonder if English
is your mother tongue,
John Bennett
charges of
> 'antisemitism' - whatever that loaded misnomer is supposed to mean).
I think Ernst puts it rather well!
Semitism is the cause of anti semitism.
In Arids case it rather proves the point extremely well:-))
anarchore
> In article <6b128662-6349-4a66-98b6-389a50142...@i6g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>,
>
>
>
> Mike <MikeinCam...@aol.com> wrote:
> >On 8 July, 16:05, William Black <william.bl...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> >> Kixi wrote:
> >> > If Zundel is "a big-mouth kraut...and an ignorant twit" why would the
> >> > jews go to so much trouble to lock him up?
>
> >> Because he's a very good liar with some very rich friends.
>
> >> Such people are dangerous.
>
> >> --
> >> William Black
>
> >> It was six weeks filming in the desert.
> >> No girls, no dialogue, just guys with guns.
> >> They said "Do you want wages or a percentage?"
> >> It looked like a certain turkey.
> >> When they came the second time I was ready.
> >> I haven't had to work since...
>
> >> Eli Wallach on his roles in
> >> "The Magnificent Seven"
> >> and "The Good the Bad and The Ugly
>
> >lying?
>
> did.
Liar.
>
> Do try to focus.
>
> --
> "What did you say. Did the burry the train with the show wen
> can you show us the buried train Sara. As you know seeing is beliving."
> (Kurt Knoll, Kitimat, B.C.'s Leading Revisionist Scholar)
anarchore
> On Wed, 8 Jul 2009 19:58:21 -0700 (PDT), anarchore
>
Read James Bacques' book.
anarchore
> Kixi wrote:
> > On Jul 8, 4:05 pm, William Black <william.bl...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> >> Kixi wrote:
> >>> If Zundel is "a big-mouth kraut...and an ignorant twit" why would the
> >>> jews go to so much trouble to lock him up?
> >> Because he's a very good liar with some very rich friends.
>
> >> Such people are dangerous.
>
> >> --
> >> William Black
>
> > He's dangrous? To whom?
>
> To the people he incited violence against.
LOL, you are pathetic.
anarchore
anarchore
> On 9 July, 12:36, Mike <MikeinCam...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > Suppression of free speech does not necessarily mean something to
> > hide.
>
> You are sick.
>
> Lying, hatred and incitement to
> violence are not free speech.
What incitement? Telling the truth, like in the interview?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVkp96Gm5tU
>
> I am beginning to wonder if English
> is your mother tongue,
LOL. And if the truth is told, the Nazis have won, and we'll soon all
be speaking German.
Peter Webb
with Jews dying in the war
-----------------------
No, that's not true, it was about Jews and others killed in the war.
and a great deal to do with money and power
for Jews
------------------------
How exactly do Jews now derive benefit from the Holocaust?
and the left right now. Make people feel bad so they give
them what they want. Thus Brown's and Obama's visits to Auschwitz
recently. Everyone's on the bandwagon.
"Vote for me I went to Auschwitz".
--------------------------
Maybe he just wanted to pay his respect to the million plus peopple who were
murderd there. I know I would if I was in that part of the world.
Mike
wrote:
>
> and the left right now. Make people feel bad so they give
> them what they want. Thus Brown's and Obama's visits to Auschwitz
> recently. Everyone's on the bandwagon.
>
> "Vote for me I went to Auschwitz".
>
> --------------------------
> Maybe he just wanted to pay his respect to the million plus peopple who were
> murderd there. I know I would if I was in that part of the world.>
If you think that Brown deos anything except out of calculated self-
interest you really are daft.
Kenneth McVay OBC
Mike <Mikein...@aol.com> wrote:
>> I also know freedom of speech has never guaranteed the right to lie in
>> any civilised country, no matter how much those Holocaust-denying
>> liars cry about it.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>Oh but it does Ralph. You know nothing. In fact the essence of free
>speech is that people can say things other people regard as utter
>rubbish. The exceptions are libel and giving evidence on oath plus
>contract. In general conversation anyone can tell any lie they like.
Not in Germany, where lying in public about Nazi crimes
against humanity is a serious offense.
--
"A better idea: Russian, Chinese, Indian, Korean, French, and Pali
nukes melting Israel into the sea." ("Chester Field," Leading
Revisionist Scholar who appears to have forgotten his name.)
Kenneth McVay OBC
E. Barry Bruyea <lobb...@goaway.com> wrote:
[...]
>My opinion of Zundel is that he is a piece of crap who 'should' keep
>his twisted opinions to himself, but having said that, unless (while
>he was resident in Canada) he advocated violence to a specific group
>or individual, he retains the right of free speech (a commodity being
>taken away, bit by bit) and his rantings were an insufficient excuse
>for deportation.
Zundel's deportation had nothing to do with Zundel's
"rantings," even though his supporters would like to
paint it that way.
He was deported from the United States because he
violated the visa terms he had asked for, agreed to and
accepted under oath.
He was deported from Canada when his refugee claim was
rejected. His claim was rejected because he was deemed
a risk to Canadian security. He was returned to Germany,
where he held citizenship.
Zundel's security certificate was probably issued
because (1) he associated and supported violent people
with criminal records, and (2) he refused to testify
before Parliament about those associations. In fact, he
withdrew his application for Canadian citizenship to
avoid testifying under oath before Parliament.
He also spent decades trying to destabilize the German
government, so they were more than happy to finally get their
hands on him.
Zundelistas raise the "free speech" issue because they
do not want to address his violent associations, and
would prefer that no one knew about them.
--
Who is your choice for the Dumbest celebrity? Kurt Knoll
holds a commanding lead at 23.1%, Dan Quayle is second at
14.6% & GW Bush third at 22.3%. VOTE NOW, VOTE OFTEN!
Vote Now: http://squidoo.com/think-you-are-stupid-eh
Kenneth McVay OBC
Bacque's book is seriously flawed, and his primary
conclusion is complete nonsense.
http://nizkor.org/hweb/people/b/bacque-james/ambrose-001.html
Kenneth McVay OBC
John Bennett <bennett584...@bt.com> wrote:
>Farmer Giles wrote:
>charges of
>> 'antisemitism' - whatever that loaded misnomer is supposed to mean).
>
>I think Ernst puts it rather well!
>
>Semitism is the cause of anti semitism.
I think anyone who repeats such claptrap is pretty well
uninformed about the word antisemitism and its origins.
See, for instance, Dr. Kirk's comments, here:
http://nizkor.org/hweb/people/i/irving-david/jackel/postscript-kirk-6.html
anarchore
> In article <akob55d2l7jsoe1d7493fq5rv63ctiu...@4ax.com>,
Violent associations? Like that of the Heritage Front, created by
CSIS/CJC mole Grant Bristow, from which pulpit he dispensed a message
of violence?
Then there was Ezra Levant's recent exposure of the CJC having founded
the Canadian Nazi Party.
The Zionist thugs have to create the enemies to make the J-ws think
they need "protection" from these racketeers and agents of foreign
powers.
Then when the CJC and B'nai Brith claim 'victory' against the evil
Nazis they created, they can get all kinds of donations, grants and
other funding.
Are any of these White Power groups NOT set up and run by Zionists and
the government?
http://www.zundelsite.org/zundel_persecuted/aug05_zgram.html
Dear Free Speech Supporter:
The July, 2003 issue of CONGRESS CONTACT, which describes itself
as "the news magazine of the Canadian Jewish Congress, Ontario Region"
reveals a fascinating meeting at which CSIS spy Grant Bristow briefed
the CJC's executive. The meeting brought together two mortal enemies
of free speech and dissent in this country -- our out-of-control spook
agency and the Canadian Jewish Congress.
Grant Bristow was inserted by Canada's spy agency, the Canadian
Security Intelligence Service into a circle of individuals around
Wolfgang Droege that would become the Heritage Front. I argued before
SIRC in 1994 that CSIS's spying on the HF was contrary to its own
enabling legislation. The HF was not involved in espionage, sabotage
or sedition. It was not run by a foreign power. These are what
constitute the definition of a threat to national security and would
make a group subject to CSIS's scrutiny. In fact, as a White rights
protest and advocacy group, the HF neatly fit the definition: " lawful
advocacy, protest or dissent." Such activity the CSIS Act emphatically
says is NOT a threat to national security.
Yet, CSIS and/or its political masters was out of control then as
now.
Bristow was a major source of funds for the HF. As we'll show in
upcoming evidence at the CSIS national security certificate hearings
for Ernst Zundel, Bristow frequently advocated violence against Jews
and anarchist opponents like the ARA. He organized some of the
harassment activities against the ARA, which increasingly deflected
the HF from a positive pro-White message and into the realm of petty
street violence -- the very thing that would discredit it and give the
government an excuse to move against it.
Bristow compiled a target list of prominent Toronto Jews. He was
far more than a mere informant or spy. He was a player, a strong
advocate of violence and lawlessness and an anti-Jewish agitator.
Amazingly, now he pops up to brief the Canadian Jewish Congress.
Bristow, it seems, was not just an information gatherer, but an agent
provocateur sent to destroy the HF.
It would be fascinating to have the following sentence explained:
"It also appears that the CJC played an integral role in the demise of
neo-Nazi groups of the time as well according to Bristows report to
the Executive."
Paul Fromm Director CANADIAN ASSOCIATION FOR FREE EXPRESSION
Mike
> In article <a221b881-4449-4ecb-bd74-40d1f55c2...@a36g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>,
>
> Mike �<MikeinCam...@aol.com> wrote:
> >> I also know freedom of speech has never guaranteed the right to lie in
> >> any civilised country, no matter how much those Holocaust-denying
> >> liars cry about it.- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> >Oh but it does Ralph. You know nothing. In fact the essence of free
> >speech is that people can say things other people regard as utter
> >rubbish. The exceptions are libel and giving evidence on oath plus
> >contract. In general conversation anyone can tell any lie they like.
>
> Not in Germany, where lying in public about Nazi crimes
> against humanity is a serious offense.
>
Roy
right.
=
Kenneth McVay OBC
Wolfgang Droege, convicted and sent to prison for his
part in the abortive attempt to invade Domenica,
certainly qualified as a man with a proven record of
violence.
The Metzgers, found libel under civil law for their
complicity in the murder of Mulugeta Seraw, certainly
fit the "violent associations" label.
Let me guess... their names slipped your mind... and
how about that radical fruitloop in Russia that Zundel
courted?
Then, of course, there are the European nazis Zundel
supported, but they wouldn't dream of using violence,
right?
--
"Pissing in the swimming pool when you are in the water will get you
nowhere. Do it from from a 10 meter springboard and everybody will
notice you!" (Werner Knoll, Surrey's Leading Revisionist Scholar)
Kenneth McVay OBC
If you have a problem with German law,
take it up with the Germans. Be sure to explain that
you believe they're Fascists while you're at it.
--
"Don't you know the Jews are the only once who can tell the
truce all other people like us just to stupid to understand
they have us believe." (Kurt Knoll, the Village Idiot of
Kitimat & Leading Example of "Revisionist Scholarship")
Peter Webb
> The Zionist thugs have to create the enemies to make the J-ws think
> they need "protection" from these racketeers and agents of foreign
> powers.
There is that word "Zionist" again.
Who exactly are you referring to?
What is this word "Zionist" supposed to mean, exactly?
Brainiac
According to some of the real assholes and bigots, anyone who is a Jew.
Including Senator Al Franken, who fully opposes what Israel is doing. And
according to that recent post by some idiot about "names that are Jewish",
anyone whose name ends in "ler", like Hitler and Himmler. :)
Face it, we're not dealing with the sharpest side of the hammer here.
Mike
> In article <80785ffc-ed2a-49c6-a713-d764a86fd...@i18g2000pro.googlegroups.com>,
>
> - Show quoted text -
Then why was he not imprisoned in Canada if he'd broken the law? He
was there long enough.
Perhaps one should not mention the Israeli leaders who were in
terrorist groups. No doubt if you associate with them you would be in
the same position as Zundel by your own logic. Which was the one in
the gang that blew up the King David Hotel?
Sorry I forgot. One man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter.
Who pays you?
I enjoyed the bit about destabilising the German government. I thought
Cameron was trying to do that to the British government.
Ariadne
> Perhaps one should not mention the Israeli leaders who were in
> terrorist groups.
Poor old antisemite! Has to go back
60 years to the freedom fighters getting
it wrong.
Educate yourself. Find out about Britain's
betrayal of its stewardship of the Mandate for
Palestine.
A neo-Nazi of course with strong ties to Islam
would find it acceptable that Britain should give
away, illegally, 78% of the land designated as the
Jewish national home to Arabs and make it
Judenrein.
Poor old MikeinKreuz will be very happy when
the caliphate is established here.
Cyrus Purvis
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Then why was he not imprisoned in Canada if he'd broken the law? He
> was there long enough.
>
> Perhaps one should not mention the Israeli leaders who were in
> terrorist groups. No doubt if you associate with them you would be in
> the same position as Zundel by your own logic. Which was the one in
> the gang that blew up the King David Hotel?
>
> Sorry I forgot. One man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter.
>
> Who pays you?
>
> I enjoyed the bit about destabilising the German government. I thought
> Cameron was trying to do that to the British government.
You know? It's true.
Without the anti-semites, the racists, the neoNazis, the homophobes,
the bigots and all the other hate mongers with miniscule male sexual
organs and big mouths.
Who else would be complaning that our "right to free speech" was being
crapped on, and they were the eternal victims of such Fascist
authoritarian repression?
Kenneth McVay OBC
Mike <Mikein...@aol.com> wrote:
[...]
>Then why was he not imprisoned in Canada if he'd broken the law? He
>was there long enough.
I did not claim he violated Canadian law. I stated the
*fact* that Zundel's longtime association with violent
criminal elements made it impossible for him to obtain
Canadian citizenship.
His refusal to testify, under oath, before Parliament
also contributed to the rejection of his refugee claim.
Since that claim was denied on security grounds, he was
returned to the nation of his birth, Germany.
>Perhaps one should not mention the Israeli leaders who were in
>terrorist groups. No doubt if you associate with them you would be in
>the same position as Zundel by your own logic. Which was the one in
>the gang that blew up the King David Hotel?
Smoke screen - nothing to do with Mr. Zundel.
--
"What did you say. Did the burry the train with the show wen
can you show us the buried train Sara. As you know seeing is beliving."
(Kurt Knoll, Kitimat, B.C.'s Leading Revisionist Scholar)
The Nizkor Project: http://www.nizkor.org/
Brainiac
> In article <23350d86-bf9b-4451...@a36g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>,
> Mike <Mikein...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> >Then why was he not imprisoned in Canada if he'd broken the law? He
> >was there long enough.
>
> I did not claim he violated Canadian law. I stated the
> *fact* that Zundel's longtime association with violent
> criminal elements made it impossible for him to obtain
> Canadian citizenship.
>
> His refusal to testify, under oath, before Parliament
> also contributed to the rejection of his refugee claim.
>
> Since that claim was denied on security grounds, he was
> returned to the nation of his birth, Germany.
>
> >Perhaps one should not mention the Israeli leaders who were in
> >terrorist groups. No doubt if you associate with them you would be in
> >the same position as Zundel by your own logic. Which was the one in
> >the gang that blew up the King David Hotel?
>
> Smoke screen - nothing to do with Mr. Zundel.
>
Ken, my brother had a period in the 1970's when he was into the Edmund Burke
Society and the Heritage Front.
Back in the mid 1970's, he would phone a number and pass the phone over to me.
It was Gary Schipper raving like a bloody clown.
Gary was the guy sleeping on the sofa the day that the guy went to Zundel's
place and firebombed it.
I don't like Zundel, but I dislike people who throw Molotov Cocktails through
windows worse. The fire almost burned down the neighbours houses, on both
sides.
A despicable act, against a despicable man. And well over the line.
I know about Schipper sleeping on the sofa because he called into a talk radio
show on CFRB and said so. And to this day, the fire bombing of Zundel's
place has been weighed two ways. Was it him, to create sympathy? Or was it
from the likes of militant anti racist groups?
Nobody knows for sure.
anarchore
Since the ARA crypto-Zionist-fascists have as their MO firebombing,
and Zundel does not, it doesn't take a Sherlock Holmes to figure it
out.
The Doctor
Shut up Waffen SS Clown!
--
Member - Liberal International This is doc...@nl2k.ab.ca
Ici doc...@nl2k.ab.ca God, Queen and country! Beware Anti-Christ rising!
Never Satan President Republic!
The fool says in his heart, "There is no God". They are corrupt, and their ways are vile; there is no one who does good. - Ps 53:1
Peter Webb
> Since the ARA crypto-Zionist-fascists have as their MO firebombing,
> and Zundel does not, it doesn't take a Sherlock Holmes to figure it
> out.
Really?
Could you explain to me exactly what makes these people "Zionists", ie what
this adjective is supposed to mean?
Maybe there aren't any, and so they couldn't possibly have done it?
Can you supply a list of people who are "ARA crypto-Zionist-fascists", so we
can see for ourselves if firebombing is their MO?
TIA
Peter Webb
anarchore
> In article <a6d583e7-e96e-4ac6-afff-ce93f4f82...@i4g2000prm.googlegroups.com>,
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> anarchore <anarch...@reborn.com> wrote:
> >On Jul 9, 10:18 am, ralph <rstead...@geocities.com> wrote:
> >> On Wed, 8 Jul 2009 19:58:21 -0700 (PDT), anarchore
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> >> <anarch...@reborn.com> wrote:
> >> >On Jul 9, 2:57 am, Cold Lazarus <coldlaza...@ymail.com> wrote:
> >> >> Farmer Giles wrote
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> >> >> > Oh, come, come, my dear chap. We can't have any old Tom, Dick, or Ernst,
> >> >> > going round challenging 'accepted' versions of history. Just what do
> >> >> > you think this sort of thing could lead to?
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> >> >> Made up versions of history conjured up by anti-semites with an agenda who
> >> >> also claim phony persecution? Nothing but debunked crap.
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> >> >No dopey, the documentation is there.
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> >> PML ... published by the anti-semitic liars who made it up.
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> >Read James Bacques' book.
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> Bacque's book is seriously flawed, and his primary
> conclusion is complete nonsense.
>
> http://nizkor.org/hweb/people/b/bacque-james/ambrose-001.html
I'll concede that Bacque seems to have over-estimated the number of
dead, but the evidence of mistreatment is there. Eisenhower even
helped to write the Morgenthau Plan.
http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?noframes;read=119952
EISENHOWER'S HOLOCAUST
Posted By: suI_juris <Send E-Mail>
Date: Tuesday, 4-Mar-2008 16:03:46
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disarmed_Enemy_Forces
Disarmed Enemy Forces
Disarmed Enemy Forces was a designation both for soldiers who
surrendered to an adversary after hostilites ended and for those
previously surrendered POWs who were held in camps in occupied German
territory at that time. It was most referenced by Dwight D.
Eisenhower's redesignation of POW's in post World War II occupied
Germany.[1] The purpose of the designation was to circumvent the 1929
Geneva Convention, Relative to the treatment of prisoners of war. The
prisoners were redesignated as POWs in March 1946. The wording of the
1949 Third Geneva Convention was intentionally altered from that of
the 1929 convention so that soldiers who "fall into the power" of the
enemy are now protected as well as those taken prisoner in the course
of fighting.[2]
5-Star General Dwight David Eisenhower - Supreme Commander o/t
Allied Forces in Europe;
Chief of Staff of the U.S. Army; Supreme Commander of NATO;
34th President o/t United States
Dwight David Eisenhower, born David Dwight Eisenhower (October
14, 1890 – March 28, 1969), nicknamed "Ike", was a five-star General
in the United States Army…During the Second World War, he served as
Supreme Commander of the Allied forces in Europe, with responsibility
for planning and supervising the successful invasion of France and
Germany in 1944-45.
Following the German unconditional surrender on May 8, 1945,
Eisenhower was appointed Military Governor of the U.S. Occupation
Zone, based in Frankfurt am Main. Germany was divided into four
Occupation Zones, one each for the U.S., Britain, France, and the
Soviet Union…..
He made the decision to reclassify German prisoners of war
(POWs) in U.S. custody as Disarmed Enemy Forces (DEFs), thus depriving
them of the protection of the Geneva convention. As DEFs, their food
rations could be lowered and they could be compelled to serve as
unfree labor (see Eisenhower and German POWs). Eisenhower was an early
supporter of the Morgenthau Plan to permanently remove Germany's
industrial capacity to wage future wars. In November 1945 he approved
the distribution of 1000 free copies of Morgenthau's book Germany is
Our Problem, which promoted and described the plan in detail, to
American military officials in occupied Germany. Historian Stephen
Ambrose draws the conclusion that, despite Eisenhower's later claims
the act was not an endorsement of the Morgenthau plan, Eisenhower both
approved of the plan and had previously given Morgenthau at least some
of his ideas about how Germany should be treated.[18]
He also incorporated officials from Morgenthau's Treasury into
the army of occupation. These were commonly called "Morgenthau boys"
for their zeal in interpreting the occupation directive JCS 1067,
which had been heavily influenced by Morgenthau and his plan, as
strictly as possible.[19]
[...]
International awards
List of citations bestowed by other countries.[31]
[...]
* Italy: Military Order of Italy, Knight Grand Cross
* Italy: Order of Malta
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dwight_D._Eisenhower
General Dwight D. Eisenhower was awarded two military
decorations by the country of Italy. They are as follows:
1. Military Order of Malta, Knight Grand Cross (Dec. 5, 1947)
2. The Merit of Malta, Sovereign Order of Malta, Grand Cross
(April 1,1952)
Herbert L. Pankratz
Archivist
Social Network Diagram:
http://www.namebase.org/cgi-bin/nb06...R_DWIGHT_DAVID
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organised_persecution_of_ethnic_Germans
Organised persecution of ethnic Germans
Germany
The book Other Losses by James Bacque (ISBN 1-55168-191-9)
alleges that General Dwight Eisenhower ordered the mistreatment of
German Prisoners of War who were detained in American-run POW camps
after World War II. See also Eisenhower and German POWs Other US and
German sources estimate the number of German POWs who died in
captivity at between 56,000 or 78,000 or about 1% of all German
prisoners, which is roughly the same as the percentage of American
POWs who died in German captivity, and far less than the 64% of Soviet
POWs who died while detained by the Third Reich.
Still, the likelihood for a German POW of dying in captivity
was 4 times higher when they were captured by Americans than when
captured by the British.[1] In fact Eisenhower had them for a period
relabeled as Disarmed Enemy Forces in order to rid them of the
protection of the Geneva convention. Their food rations were then
lowered, and the Red cross was forbidden to visit them.
In addition, millions of German prisoners of war were for
several years used as forced labor, both by the Western and Eastern
Allies. (See also Eisenhower and German POWs)
In the U.S. an initially successful campaign was carried out
in the years 1944 - 1948 to convince the U.S. public that the German
people should be dealt with harshly.[2]
At the Potsdam conference after World War II the victorious
allies awarded roughly 25% of Germanys pre-war territory to Poland and
the Soviet Union. The German population in this area was expelled by
force, together with the Germans of the Sudetenland and the German
populations scattered throughout the rest of Eastern Europe. One to
three million are estimated to have died during the expulsion, mainly
women and children. (See also Expulsion of Germans after World War
II).
As agreed at Potsdam an attempt was made to convert Germany
into an agricultural nation, with would only be allowed a minimum of
light industry to pay for food imports. Large numbers of factories
were during the years 1945 - 1950 dismantled as reparations or simply
destroyed in order to lower the German industrial potential. (see also
the Morgenthau Plan).
Due in part to these economic occupation policies, and also
due to the refusal of the U.S. to allow food imports to help ethnic
Germans, large numbers of German civilians died in the years following
the uncondiditonal surrender in what would eventually become West
Germany. (See also Eisenhower and German POWs).
“ What is certain is that many more POWs and civilians
suffered and perished than needed to in the aftermath of World War II,
and that the victorious Allies were guided at least partly by a spirit
of postwar vengeance in creating the circumstances that contributed to
those deaths.[3]
”
Soviet Union
Hundreds of thousands of German Prisoners of War were kept in
Soviet custody for 10 years after World War II. These were not
repatriated until Konrad Adenauer went to Moscow in 1955 and urged
their release. They, along with alleged German collaborators and other
ethnic Germans, were imprisoned in Gulag concentration camps. The
Volga German Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic was abolished and
Volga Germans were banished from their settlements on the Volga River
with many being deported to Siberia or Kazakhstan. (see also Forced
labor of Germans in the Soviet Union)
In the dying days of the World War II and during the
occupation of Germany, Soviet forces invaded German villages and raped
German women en masse. It is believed by historian Antony Beevor that
"a 'high proportion' of at least 15 million women who lived in the
Soviet zone or were expelled from Germany's eastern provinces were
raped."[4] Several thousand women committed suicide. On the final day
of hostilities, 900 women in one village just east of Berlin took
their children and drowned them in the river (followed by their own
suicides) as soon as they heard the Russian guns coming. Although all
militaries have histories of rape, the gang-raping of ordinary German
women occurred with the approval of many district commanders. In all,
only about 4,000 Soviet soldiers were ever punished for atrocities.
(See also Red Army atrocities)
Poland
In the 18th century, the German states of Prussia and Austria
participated in the Partitions of Poland, in which the historical
Kingdom of Poland was erased from the map.
Poland regained its independence only in 1919, when the Treaty
of Versailles recreated country as the Second Polish Republic.
However, minorities of Ethnic Germans remained in the territories of
Poznań, West Prussia, Upper Silesia, and eastern Pomerania within
Poland. In Poznań and eastern Pomerania, the number of German speaking
citizens was 9% in 1931, and 6% in Upper Silesia.
In 1939, the Germans exploited the fact that Poland contained
ethnically German populations as a casus belli in order to justify
their actions against the Polish Republic. In this, they were aided by
a number of ethnic German Polish citizens who sympathised with Nazism.
In Poland during the German occupation in World War II, the
status of Volksdeutsche had many privileges but one big disadvantage:
unlike Poles, Volksdeutsche were conscripted into the German army. The
Volksliste (a list of peoples categorised according to Nazi
philosophies of "racial purity") had 4 categories. No. 1 and No. 2
were considered ethnic Germans, while No. 3 and No. 4 were ethnic
Poles that signed the Volksliste. No. 1 and No. 2 in the Polish areas
annexed by Germany numbered ~1,000,000 and No. 3 and No. 4 ~1,700,000.
In the General Government territory, there were about 120,000
Volksdeutsche.
Volksdeutsche of Polish origins were treated by Poles with
special contempt, and the fact of their having signed the Volksliste
constituted high treason according to Polish law.
German citizens that remained in the territory of Poland after
World War II became as a group personae non gratae. They had the
choice of either applying for Polish citizenship or being expelled to
Germany. The property that belonged to Germans, German companies or
the German state, was either transferred to Soviet Union or
confiscated by the Polish state, along with many other properties in
communist Poland. German owners, as explicitly stated by the law, were
not eligible for any compensation. Those who decided to apply for
compensation were subjected to a verification process. There were many
acts of violence against Volksdeutsche.
Czechoslovakia
See also: Germans in Czechoslovakia (1918-1938), Beneš
decrees, Sudetenland, Flight and expulsion of Germans from
Czechoslovakia during and after World War II.
In the summer of 1945 there were a number of incidents and
localised massacres of the German population.[5]
The following examples are described in a study done by the
European University Institute in Florence:[6]
• In the Prerov incident, 71 men, 120 women and 74 children
were killed.
• 30,000 Germans were forced to leave their homes in Brno for
labour camps near Austria. It is estimated that several hundred died
in the death march.
• Estimates of killed in the Ústí massacre range from 30 - 50
to 600 - 700 civilians. Some women and children were thrown off the
bridge into the Elbe River and shot.
Law No. 115 of 1946 (see Beneš decrees) providees: "Any act
committed between September 30, 1938 and October 28, 1945, the object
of which was to aid the struggle for liberty of the Czechs and Slovaks
or which represented just reprisals for actions of the occupation
forces and their accomplices, is not illegal, even when such acts may
otherwise be punishable by law."
As a consequence all atrocities committed during the expulsion
of Germans were made legal, and since the law is still in effect no
perpetrator has ever faced charges for his or her crimes during the
expulsion.[7]
Norway
The children of Norwegian mothers and German soldiers were
persecuted after the war, see War children.
German POWs in Norway were forced to clear minefields and then
walk over them, leading to the death and mutilation of hundreds of
prisoners.
Italy
See also: History of South Tyrol.
After the end of World War I, the German-speaking South Tyrol
was included in the new boundaries of Italy. Following the rise of the
Fascist movement of Mussolini, the ethnic Germans of this enclave
faced growing persecution. Their names, and the names of the towns and
places in the area, were forcibly changed to Italian. In addition,
Mussolini engaged in a vigorous campaign to resettle ethnic Italians
into the region. Many Tyroleans fled to Germany during this time, and
the matter of South Tyrol became a source of friction between Hitler
and Mussolini.
After the end of World War II, the organised persecution of
Germans in the South Tyrol largely came to an end, although ethnic
strife continued for decades.
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Eisenhower and German POWs
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Canadian novelist James Bacque has alleged that nearly one
million German prisoners of war, redesignated by U.S. General Dwight
Eisenhower as "Disarmed Enemy Forces" in order to avoid recognition
under the third Geneva Convention, died of starvation or exposure
while held in post-war Western internment camps.
Bacque charges that hundreds of thousands of German prisoners
of war (POWs) who entered the camps were not transferred out, so they
must have died. He also points to a German report recording the death
of 1.4 million German POWs, and Soviet data accounting for only
450,600 of these deaths. (The remainder, he says, must then have died
in Western camps.) In his book Other Losses, Bacque recounts
interviews with people who claimed to have witnessed trucks full of
dead leaving the camps each day, and civilian women who say they were
fired upon while trying to throw bread over the camp fence. The fact
that Red Cross inspectors were banned, Red Cross food aid was
returned, building of shelters was forbidden and soldiers were kept on
short rations are seen by Bacque as a "method of the genocide."
Another critic of Eisenhower's policy in Germany was senator
Homer E. Capehart.
Eisenhower and post-war American policy
Gen. Dwight D. Eisenhower frequently clashed with Gen. George
S. Patton, a staunch anti-Communist who favored generous treatment of
former German officers and even some former Nazis. Patton felt that
"It is no more possible for a man to be a civil servant in Germany and
not have paid lip service to the Nazis than it is for a man to be a
postmaster in America and not have paid at least lip service to the
Democratic Party or the Republican Party when they are in power," and
his vocal complaints eventually led to his being relieved of his
command as post-war governor of Bavaria. The controversial general who
had once been one of the most feared enemies of the German army
admired Germans and after the war even called them "the only decent
people left in Europe." He complained of what he considered
persecution of the German people and saw it as serving the interests
of the Soviet Union, not the United States[1].
American Treasury Secretary Henry Morgenthau, Jr. had written
a book outlining the Morgenthau Plan, Germany is Our Problem. In
November 1945 General Eisenhower, at the time Military Governor of the
U.S. Occupation Zone in Germany, approved the distribution of one
thousand free copies of the book to American military officials in
Germany. Historian Stephen Ambrose draws the conclusion that not only
did Eisenhower approve of the plan, he had, in fact, contributed to it
while it was being written.[1]
In response to suggestions from his own military government in
Germany that the Potsdam agreement be interpreted less strictly as
regards the lowering of the peoples standards of living Eisenhower in
October 1945 stated his position to the press as "...I say let Germany
find out what it means to start a war."[2]
In order to impress the German people with the Allied opinion
of them, a strict non-fraternization policy was adhered to by
Eisenhower and the War department. However, thanks to pressure from
the State Department and individual US congressmen this policy was
eventually lifted in stages. In June 1945 the prohibition against
speaking with German children was made less strict. In July it became
possible to speak to German adults in certain circumstances. In
September the whole policy was completely dropped in Austria and
Germany. The prohibition on marriage between Americans and German or
Austrian civilians remained until (Austria: January, Germany: December
1946).[3]
For the treatment of German female civilians see War children.
Although Bacque has estimated that 726,000 German prisoners
died of starvation or disease while in U.S. captivity, this has been
shown to be a gross overestimation.[4] However, "the mortality rate
for German POW's in U.S. hands was more than 4 times higher than the
rate for those who surrendered to the British".[5] Further, another
advantage with surrendering to the British rather than the Americans
was that besides treating German prisoners better than the U.S. did,
the British were also less likely to hand German prisoners over to the
Soviet Union.[6] Large numbers of German prisoners were transferred
between the Allies. The U.S gave 765,000 to France, 76,000 to Benelux
countries, and 200,000 to the Soviet Union. The U.S. also chose to
refuse to accept the surrender of German troops attempting to
surrender in Saxony and Bohemia. These soldiers were instead handed
over to the Soviet Union.[7] (The Soviet Union in turn handed German
prisoners over to other Eastern European nations, for example 70,000
to Poland)[8] Death rates of German soldiers held prisoner in the
Soviet Union was 35.8%.[9]
American food policy in post-war Germany
Throughout all of 1945 the Allies forces of occupation ensured
that no international aid reached ethnic Germans. [10] It was directed
that all relief went to non-German displaced persons, liberated Allied
POWs, and concentration camp inmates.[11]
General Lucius Clay, then Deputy to General Eisenhower,
stated:
“ I feel that the Germans should suffer from hunger and from
cold as I believe such suffering is necessary to make them realize the
consequences of a war which they caused.[12]
”
The German Red Cross was dissolved, and the International Red
Cross and the few other allowed international relief agencies were
kept from helping Germans through strict controls on supplies and on
travel.[13] The few agencies permitted to help Germans, such as the
indigenous Caritas Verband, were not allowed to use imported supplies.
When the Vatican attempted to transmit food supplies from Chile to
German infants the U.S. State Department forbade it.[14]
During 1945 it was estimated that the average German civilian
in the U.S. and the United Kingdom occupation zones received 1,200
calories a day.[15] Meanwhile non-German Displaced Persons were
receiving 2,300 calories through emergency food imports and Red Cross
help.[16] In early October 1945 the UK government privately
acknowledged in a cabinet meeting that German civilian adult death
rates had risen to four times the pre-war levels and death rates
amongst the German children had risen by 10 times the pre-war levels.
[17]
General Lucius Clay stated in October 1945 that:
“ undoubtedly a large number of refugees have already died of
starvation, exposure and disease…. The death rate in many places has
increased several fold, and infant mortality is approaching 65 percent
in many places. By the spring of 1946, German observers expect that
epidemics and malnutrition will claim 2.5 to 3 million victims between
the Oder and Elbe.[18]
”
In early 1946 U.S. President Harry S. Truman finally bowed to
pressure from Senators, Congress and public to allow foreign relief
organization to enter Germany in order to review the food situation.
In mid-1946 non-German relief organizations were finally permitted to
help starving German children.[19] During 1946 the average German
adult received less than 1,500 calories a day. 2,000 calories was then
considered the minimum an individual can endure on for a limited
period of time with reasonable health.[20]
The German food situation became worst during the very cold
winter of 1946-1947, when German calorie intake ranged from
1,000-1,500 calories per day, a situation made worse by severe lack of
fuel for heating.[21] Average adult calorie intake in U.S was
3,200-3,300, in UK 2,900 and in U.S. Army 4,000.[22]
In a comparative U.S. government study[23] run by former U.S.
President Herbert Hoover and published in February 1947, the
nutritional situation surveyed in some of Germany's neighbor states
(Italy, France, Belgium, Holland and the UK) was close to pre-war
normal, while the nutritional situation for certain population groups
in Germany (mainly children and the elderly) was disastrously low.
The Historian Nicholas Balabkins notes that the Allied
restrictions placed on German steel production, and their control over
to where the produced coal and steel was delivered, meant that offers
by Western European nations to trade food for desperately needed
German coal and machinery were rejected. Neither the Italians nor the
Dutch could sell the vegetables that they had previously sold in
Germany, with the consequence that the Dutch had to destroy
considerable proportions of their crop. Denmark offered 150 tons of
lard a month; Turkey offered hazelnuts; Norway offered fish and fish
oil; Sweden offered considerable amounts of fats. The Allies were
however not willing to let the Germans trade.[24]
Another consequence of the Allied policy of "Industrial
Disarmament" (see The industrial plans for Germany) was that there was
a drastic fall in fertilizer available for the German agriculture,
further decreasing the food production.[25]
German infant mortality rate was twice that of other nations
in Western Europe until the close of 1948.[26]
The adequate feeding of the German population in occupied
Germany was an Allied legal obligation[27] [28] under international
law: Article 43 of The 1907 Hague Rules of Land Warfare.[29]
Richard Dominic Wiggers draws in "The United States and the
Refusal to Feed German Civilians after World War II" the conclusion
that not only did the Allies violate international law when it comes
to the feeding of enemy civilians, they both directly and indirectly
caused the unnecessary suffering and death of large numbers of
civilians and POW's in occupied Germany, guided partly by a spirit of
postwar vengeance when creating the circumstances that contributed to
their deaths.[30]
Allied forced labor policy in post-war Germany
The topic of using Germans as forced labor was first broached
at the Teheran conference, where Soviet premier Joseph Stalin demanded
at least 4,000,000 German workers to repair enormous damage inflicted
by German invasion on Soviet Union[2] . It was included in the
Morgenthau Plan and was finally included in the protocol of the Yalta
conference where it was sanctioned by President Franklin D. Roosevelt.
Although not included in the protocol of the Potsdam conference the
policy was nevertheless later implemented de facto. In March 1947
4,000,000 Germans were being used as forced labor [31]. General
Eisenhower transferred several hundred thousands of POWs to the Soviets
[32] which used them, alongside Soviet captured POWs and German
civilians, as forced laborers (See also Forced labor of Germans in the
Soviet Union for the fate of the civilians). Death rates for the
German civilians doing forced labor in the Soviet Union ranged between
19% - 39%, depending on category. Most German POW survivors of the
forced labor camps in the Soviet Union were released in 1953.[33][34].
The last Germans were repatriated in 1956.
The U.S. used over 500,000 German POWs in Germany in Military
Labor Service Units[35]. Great Britain used 225,000 Germans as
“reparations labor”. In addition to the 200,000 Germans captured by
French forces France demanded 1,700,000 POWs for use as “enforced
labor”.[36] In July 1945 they were promised 1,300,000 POWs by the
SHAEF. The number of actually delivered prisoners is debated, as is
the number of surviving POWs eventually released by the French.[37]
General George S. Patton commented in his diary “I’m also opposed to
sending POW’s to work as slaves in foreign lands (in particular, to
France) where many will be starved to death.” He also noted “It is
amusing to recall that we fought the revolution in defense of the
rights of man and the civil war to abolish slavery and have now gone
back on both principles”.[38] On 12 October 1945 The New York Herald
Tribune reported that the French were starving their POWs, and
compared their emaciation to that of those liberated from the Dachau
concentration camp[39]. German prisoners were for example forced to
clear minefields in France and the low countries. By December 1945 it
was estimated by French authorities that 2,000 German prisoners were
being killed or maimed each month in mine-clearing accidents.[40] On
13 March 1947 the U.S. made an agreement with the French to the effect
that roughly 450,000 German prisoners would be released, at a rate of
20,000 a month. This number included the roughly 200,000 prisoners the
French had themselves captured.[41]. In Norway the last available
casualty record, from August 29, 1945, shows that by that time a total
of 275 German soldiers had been killed while clearing mines, while an
additional 392 had been maimed.[3]
Lack of records
There are no longer any surviving records showing which German
POWs and Disarmed Enemy Forces who were in U.S. custody prior to
roughly September 1945. The early standard operating procedure for
handling POWs and Disarmed Enemy Forces was to send a copy of the POW
form to the Central Registry of War Criminals and Security Suspects
(CROWCASS). However, this practice was apparently stopped as
impractical, and all copies of the POW forms, roughly 8 million, were
destroyed.[5] [6]
Notes
1. ^ John Dietrich. The Morgenthau Plan: Soviet Influence on
American Postwar Policy (2002) pg. 27
2. ^ Trouble in Germany Time Magazine Monday, Oct. 22, 1945
3. ^ Perry Biddiscombe "Dangerous Liaisons: The Anti-
Fraternization Movement in the U.S. Occupation Zones of Germany and
Austria, 1945-1948", Journal of Social History 34.3 (2001) p. 619
4. ^ Niall Ferguson, "Prisoner Taking and Prisoner Killing in
the Age of Total War: Towards a Political Economy of Military Defeat"
War in History 2004 11 (2) 148–192 pg. 187
5. ^ Niall Ferguson, "Prisoner Taking and Prisoner Killing in
the Age of Total War: Towards a Political Economy of Military Defeat"
War in History 2004 11 (2) 148–192 pg. 188
6. ^ Niall Ferguson, "Prisoner Taking and Prisoner Killing in
the Age of Total War: Towards a Political Economy of Military Defeat"
War in History 2004 11 (2) 148–192 pg. 189
7. ^ Niall Ferguson, "Prisoner Taking and Prisoner Killing in
the Age of Total War: Towards a Political Economy of Military Defeat"
War in History 2004 11 (2) 148–192 pg. 189, (footnote, referenced to:
H. Nawratil, Die deutschen Nachkriegsverluste unter Vertriebenen,
Gefangenen und Verschleppter: mit einer übersicht über die
europäischen Nachkriegsverluste (Munich and Berlin, 1988), pp. 36f.)
8. ^ Niall Ferguson, "Prisoner Taking and Prisoner Killing in
the Age of Total War: Towards a Political Economy of Military Defeat"
War in History 2004 11 (2) 148–192 pg. pg 164.
9. ^ Niall Ferguson, "Prisoner Taking and Prisoner Killing in
the Age of Total War: Towards a Political Economy of Military Defeat"
War in History 2004 11 (2) 148–192 pg. 186 (Table 4)
10. ^ Steven Bela Vardy and T. Hunt Tooley, eds. Ethnic
Cleansing in Twentieth-Century Europe ISBN 0-88033-995-0. subsection
by Richard Dominic Wiggers, “The United States and the Refusal to Feed
German Civilians after World War II” pg. 281
11. ^ Richard Dominic Wiggers pg. 281-282
12. ^ Richard Dominic Wiggers pg. 278
13. ^ Richard Dominic Wiggers pg. 281-282
14. ^ Richard Dominic Wiggers pg. 281
15. ^ Richard Dominic Wiggers pg. 280
16. ^ Richard Dominic Wiggers pg. 279
17. ^ Richard Dominic Wiggers pg. 280
18. ^ Richard Dominic Wiggers pg. 280
19. ^ Richard Dominic Wiggers pg. 282
20. ^ Richard Dominic Wiggers pg. 284
21. ^ Richard Dominic Wiggers p. 244
22. ^ Richard Dominic Wiggers p. 285
23. ^ Herbert Hoover. "The Presidents Economic Mission to
Germany and Austria: Report No. 1 - German Agriculture and Food
Requirements", February 28, 1947. p. 9
24. ^ Nicholas Balabkins, "Germany Under Direct Controls:
Economic Aspects of Industrial Disarmament 1945 - 1948", Rutgers
University Press, 1964 p. 125
25. ^ Nicholas Balabkins, "Germany Under Direct Controls:
Economic Aspects of Industrial Disarmament 1945 - 1948", Rutgers
University Press, 1964 p. 91
26. ^ Richard Dominic Wiggers pg. 286
27. ^ Nicholas Balabkins, "Germany Under Direct Controls:
Economic Aspects of Industrial Disarmament 1945 - 1948", Rutgers
University Press, 1964 p. 101
28. ^ Richard Dominic Wiggers p. 274
29. ^ Richard Dominic Wiggers p. 279. "In postwar Germany and
Japan, the U.S. Army financed the most urgent food imports by citing
obligations under Article 43 of The Hague Rules of Land Warfare."
30. ^ Richard Dominic Wiggers p. 288
31. ^ John Dietrich. The Morgenthau Plan: Soviet Influence on
American Postwar Policy (2002) pg. 123
32. ^ Dietrich pg. 124
33. ^ Time Magazine Oct. 12, 1953 Homecoming
34. ^ Time Magazine, 7 July 1952 2,500,000 Missing
35. ^ Dietrich pg. 125
36. ^ Dietrich pg. 126
37. ^ Dietrich pg. 127
38. ^ Dietrich pg. 127
39. ^ Dietrich pg. 129
40. ^ S. P. MacKenzie "The Treatment of Prisoners of War in
World War II" The Journal of Modern History, Vol. 66, No. 3. (Sep.,
1994), pp. 487-520.
41. ^ Dietrich pg. 134
42. ^ Ike and the Disappearing Atrocities New York Times Book
Review, February 24, 1991.
43. ^ Ike's Revenge? Time Magazine Monday, Oct. 2, 1989
44. ^ http://wih.sagepub.com/cgi/reprint/11/2/148.pdf
References
Primary
• James Bacque, Other Losses revised edition 1999, Little
Brown and Company, Boston, New York, Toronto, London ISBN
1-55168-191-9
• James Bacque. Crimes and Mercies: The Fate Of German
Civilians Under Allied Occupation, 1944-1950 Little Brown & Company;
ISBN 0-7515-2277-5; (August 1997)
• Gunter Bischof and Stephen E. Ambrose. Eisenhower and the
German Pows: Facts Against Falsehood (1992)
Secondary
• Várdy, Steven Béla and Tooly, T. Hunt: Ethnic Cleansing in
Twentieth-Century Europe Available as MS Word for Windows file (3.4
MB) Section: by Richard Dominic Wiggers, The United States and the
Refusal to Feed German Civilians after World War II pp. 274 - 288
• John Dietrich, The Morgenthau Plan: Soviet Influence on
American Postwar Policy Algora Publishing, New York (2002) ISBN
1-892941-90-2
External links
• Did the Allies Starve Millions of Germans? -- This James
Bacque article seems to be the main source for the genocide accusation
• Stephen Ambrose's lengthy rebuttal of Bacque's claims
• Bacque and US Army historian Fisher's reply to Ambrose
• Letters to the Editor of New Tork Times in response to
Ambrose's review of "Other losses".
• The U.S. Army in the Occupation of Germany, by Earl F.
Ziemke, Center of Military History, United States Army, 1975
• Várdy, Steven Béla and Tooly, T. Hunt: Ethnic Cleansing in
Twentieth-Century Europe Available as MS Word for Windows file (3.4
MB) Section: by Richard Dominic Wiggers, The United States and the
Refusal to Feed German Civilians after World War II pp. 274 - 288
• Tarczai, Bela: Hungarian Prisoners of War in French
Captivity 1945-47 On the Allied transfer of Hungarian POW's for forced
labour, and their resulting death rates. Available as a PDF file only
(57 kB)
• The Road Ahead: Lessons in Nation Building from Japan,
Germany, and Afghanistan for Postwar Iraq, by Ray Salvatore Jennings
May 2003, Peaceworks No. 49, United States Institute of Peace
• Americans are Losing the Victory in Europe, and Grim Europe
Faces Winter of Misery Life magazine January 7 1946
• Oral History Interview with General William H. Draper Jr.
Chief, Economics Division, Control Council for Germany, 1945-46
• Oral History Interview with General Lucius D. Clay Deputy to
General Eisenhower, 1945; deputy military governor, Germany (U.S.)
1946; commander in chief, U.S. Forces in Europe and military governor,
U.S. Zone, Germany, 1947–49; retired 1949.
• "An ethical blank cheque" British and US mythology about the
second world war ignores our own crimes and legitimises Anglo-American
war making Richard Drayton Tuesday May 10, 2005 The Guardian
• Prisoner Taking and Prisoner Killing in the Age of Total
War: Towards a Political Economy of Military Defeat
http://www.rense.com/general63/patton.htm
The Assassination Of
General George Patton
3-18-5
'Los Crimenes De Los Buenos' by Joaquin Bochaca Published
January 1, 2001
An excerpt...
(Note: The translation of the passage below from Joaquin
Bochaca's book, "Los Crimenes De Los 'Buenos' " was prepared by a
participant on Liberty Forum who writes under the name of "Mugwort."
The Book by Bochaca, an Argentinian, appears to be a major writing. I
hope it soon becomes available in english translation. The short
passage below addresses the assassination of General Patton.)
The abuses committed by the Forces of the Occupation in
Germany reached such bestial extremes that various people in the
Allied command structure opposed it--or tried to. ... Lindbergh
mentioned how the American soldiers burned the leftovers of their
meals to keep them from being scavenged by the [starving] Germans who
hung around the garbage barrels.
He also wrote: "In our homeland the public press publishes
articles on how we 'liberated' the oppressed peoples. Here, our
soldiers use the word 'liberate' to describe how they get their hands
on loot. Everything they grab from from a German house, everything
they take off a German is 'liberated' in the lingo of our troops.
Leica cameras are liberated, food, works of art, clothes are
liberated. A soldier who rapes a German girl is "liberating " her.
"There are German children who gaze at us as we eat ... our
cursed regulations forbid us to give tham anything to eat. I remember
the soldier Barnes, who was arrested for having given a chocolate bar
to a tattered little girl. It's hard to look these children in the
face. I feel ashamed. Ashamed of myself, my people, as I eat and look
at those children. How can we have gotten so inhumane?" So wrote
Colonel Lindbergh, national hero of the United States, who was
proposed as a candidate for the presidency of his country, who fought
in the air force of his country, who was not a nazi. Many decent
American and British citizens can see that.
General Patton, perhaps the most popular of the American
generals, immediately opposed the total or partial application of the
Morgenthau Plan in his sector of occupation. Soon, he had a run-in
with another general of higher rank: General Eisenhower. It's well-
known what extremely violent debates they had about how the civilian
population of Germany was to be treated. Patton was SENTENCED TO DEATH
by the directors of the scenario.
One day Patton's car was run into by a military truck in what
seemed like a very strange accident. The General was taken by
ambulance to a hospital, where he was observed to have serious, but
not life-threatening injuries. But some days later he died of a heart
attack.
Patton's death, in any event, was extremely opportune. The
General had annnounced that he was thinking of moving to the United
States, where he was going to denounce publicly what was taking place
in Germany. But he didn't have time. He had fought with too many
important people. General Eisenhower had had to pick up the telephone
and order that he be halted before he reached Berlin. At Yalta the new
"masters of the world" had agreed that the Soviets would be the first
to enter the German capital. Patton wanted to prevent the Vandal-like
entrance of the Red Army into the capital of the Reich, and made an
enemy of Eisenhower. A month before, he could have entered Prague, but
was also detained by Eisenhower, leaving him nailed to the ground by
an order.
Patton's difficulties with the WAR POWERS over the occupation
of Germany were so great that Eisenhower stripped him of his position
as Commander of the Third Army, and stuck him with the command of a
secondary unit. Patton knew he was in danger of death, and confided as
much to his family and close friends. He was feared because of his
prestige-he was the most renowned American General, while Eisenhower
was nothing more than a political soldier-and his words could alert
the public to the reality of what was happening in Germany.
Thus the accident was set up, which was not by any means the
first. On the 21st of April 1945, his airplane on which he was being
transported to General Headquarters of the Third Army in Feldfield
(England) was attacked by what was assumed to be a German fighter-
bomber, but it turned out to be a "Spitfire" piloted by an inexpert
Polish pilot. Patton's plane was shot up, but was miraculously able to
land. On the 3rd of May, some days before the end of the war, the
General's jeep was charged by an ox-drawn cart, leaving Patton with
light injuries.
October 13, 1945 was when the collision with the truck
occurred. When Patton appeared to be getting better from the accident,
the "heart attack" occurred. The fact is that after October 13 only
the doctors saw Patton, forbidding any other visitors.
Until recently, it was only speculation that Patton had been
assassinated. Now it is known for a fact. And it is know for a very
simple reason. Because an agent of the well-known OSS (Office of
Strategic Services) or American military spy, a certain Douglas
Bazata, a Jew of Lebanese origin, announced it in front of 450 invited
guests; high ranking, ex-members of the OSS, in the Hilton Hotel in
Washington, the 25th of September, 1979. Bazata said, word-for-word:
"For divers political reasons, many extremely high-ranking
persons hated Patton. I know who killed him. Because I am the one who
was hired to do it. Ten thousand dollars. General William Donovan
himself, director of the O.S.S, entrusted me with the mission. I set
up the accident. Since he didn't die in the accident, he was kept in
isolation in the hospital, where he was killed with an injection."
The tragic fate of Patton convinced other colleagues and their
honorable compatriots of the uselessness of fighting against the WAR
POWERS. And if any doubts remained, the "Morgan case" was enough to
dissipate them. (To be continued .)
Kenneth McVay OBC
anarchore <anar...@reborn.com> wrote:
>On Jul 9, 5:52 pm, kmc...@shell.vex.net (Kenneth McVay OBC) wrote:
>> In article <a6d583e7-e96e-4ac6-afff-ce93f4f82...@i4g2000prm.googlegroups.com>,
[...]
>> Bacque's book is seriously flawed, and his primary
>> conclusion is complete nonsense.
>>
>> http://nizkor.org/hweb/people/b/bacque-james/ambrose-001.html
>
>I'll concede that Bacque seems to have over-estimated the number of
>dead, but the evidence of mistreatment is there. Eisenhower even
>helped to write the Morgenthau Plan.
Evidence against mistreatment, yes, and Bacque's
contribution was recognized as valuable by Ambrose and
others. However, his premise regarding the deliberate
murder of millions of German POWs was complete
claptrap.
It's hardly a secret that Ike hated Germans - he'd seen
enough during the war to make him feel that way - but
it's also not a secret that Holocaust deniers continue
to proffer bogus stories about "Ike's death camps" in
order to further their agenda with phoney moral
equivalencies.
--
"The antisemite has chosen hate because hate is a faith;
at the outset he has chosen to devaluate words and reasons."
(Sarte. Antisemite and Jew, p. 19)
The Doctor
anarchore <anar...@reborn.com> wrote:
>com>,
>>
>>
>>
>> anarchore <anarch...@reborn.com> wrote:
>> >On Jul 9, 10:18 am, ralph <rstead...@geocities.com> wrote:
>> >> On Wed, 8 Jul 2009 19:58:21 -0700 (PDT), anarchore
>>
>> >> <anarch...@reborn.com> wrote:
>> >> >On Jul 9, 2:57 am, Cold Lazarus <coldlaza...@ymail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> Farmer Giles wrote
>>
> Ernst,
>> >> >> > going round challenging 'accepted' versions of history. Just wh=
>at do
>> >> >> > you think this sort of thing could lead to?
>>
>nda who
>> >> >> also claim phony persecution? Nothing but debunked crap.
>>
>> >> >No dopey, the documentation is there.
>>
>> >> PML ... published by the anti-semitic liars who made it up.
>>
>> >Read James Bacques' book.
>>
>> Bacque's book is seriously flawed, and his primary
>> conclusion is complete nonsense.
>>
>> http://nizkor.org/hweb/people/b/bacque-james/ambrose-001.html
>
>I'll concede that Bacque seems to have over-estimated the number of
>dead, but the evidence of mistreatment is there. Eisenhower even
>helped to write the Morgenthau Plan.
>
>
>EISENHOWER'S HOLOCAUST
>
>Posted By: suI_juris <Send E-Mail>
>Date: Tuesday, 4-Mar-2008 16:03:46
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disarmed_Enemy_Forces
>
> Disarmed Enemy Forces
>
> Disarmed Enemy Forces was a designation both for soldiers who
>surrendered to an adversary after hostilites ended and for those
>previously surrendered POWs who were held in camps in occupied German
>territory at that time. It was most referenced by Dwight D.
>Eisenhower's redesignation of POW's in post World War II occupied
>Germany.[1] The purpose of the designation was to circumvent the 1929
>Geneva Convention, Relative to the treatment of prisoners of war. The
>prisoners were redesignated as POWs in March 1946. The wording of the
>1949 Third Geneva Convention was intentionally altered from that of
>the 1929 convention so that soldiers who "fall into the power" of the
>enemy are now protected as well as those taken prisoner in the course
>of fighting.[2]
>
> 5-Star General Dwight David Eisenhower - Supreme Commander o/t
>Allied Forces in Europe;
> Chief of Staff of the U.S. Army; Supreme Commander of NATO;
>34th President o/t United States
>
> Dwight David Eisenhower, born David Dwight Eisenhower (October
>l
>in the United States Army=E2=80=A6During the Second World War, he served as
>Supreme Commander of the Allied forces in Europe, with responsibility
>for planning and supervising the successful invasion of France and
>Germany in 1944-45.
>
> Following the German unconditional surrender on May 8, 1945,
>Eisenhower was appointed Military Governor of the U.S. Occupation
>Zone, based in Frankfurt am Main. Germany was divided into four
>Occupation Zones, one each for the U.S., Britain, France, and the
>suffered and perished than needed to in the aftermath of World War II,
>and that the victorious Allies were guided at least partly by a spirit
>of postwar vengeance in creating the circumstances that contributed to
>those deaths.[3]
>Poland. In Pozna=C5=84 and eastern Pomerania, the number of German speaking
>decrees, Sudetenland, Flight and expulsion of Germans from
>Czechoslovakia during and after World War II.
> In the summer of 1945 there were a number of incidents and
>localised massacres of the German population.[5]
> The following examples are described in a study done by the
>European University Institute in Florence:[6]
>were killed.
> =E2=80=A2 30,000 Germans were forced to leave their homes in Brno f=
>or
>labour camps near Austria. It is estimated that several hundred died
>in the death march.
>from 30 - 50
>to 600 - 700 civilians. Some women and children were thrown off the
>bridge into the Elbe River and shot.
>m
>cold as I believe such suffering is necessary to make them realize the
>consequences of a war which they caused.[12]
> The German Red Cross was dissolved, and the International Red
>Cross and the few other allowed international relief agencies were
>kept from helping Germans through strict controls on supplies and on
>travel.[13] The few agencies permitted to help Germans, such as the
>indigenous Caritas Verband, were not allowed to use imported supplies.
>When the Vatican attempted to transmit food supplies from Chile to
>German infants the U.S. State Department forbade it.[14]
> During 1945 it was estimated that the average German civilian
>in the U.S. and the United Kingdom occupation zones received 1,200
>calories a day.[15] Meanwhile non-German Displaced Persons were
>receiving 2,300 calories through emergency food imports and Red Cross
>help.[16] In early October 1945 the UK government privately
>acknowledged in a cabinet meeting that German civilian adult death
>rates had risen to four times the pre-war levels and death rates
>amongst the German children had risen by 10 times the pre-war levels.
>[17]
> General Lucius Clay stated in October 1945 that:
>of
>starvation, exposure and disease=E2=80=A6. The death rate in many places ha=
>s
>increased several fold, and infant mortality is approaching 65 percent
>in many places. By the spring of 1946, German observers expect that
>epidemics and malnutrition will claim 2.5 to 3 million victims between
>the Oder and Elbe.[18]
>tured by
>French forces France demanded 1,700,000 POWs for use as =E2=80=9Cenforced
>labor=E2=80=9D.[36] In July 1945 they were promised 1,300,000 POWs by the
>SHAEF. The number of actually delivered prisoners is debated, as is
>the number of surviving POWs eventually released by the French.[37]
>pposed to
>sending POW=E2=80=99s to work as slaves in foreign lands (in particular, to
>France) where many will be starved to death.=E2=80=9D He also noted =E2=80=
>=9CIt is
>amusing to recall that we fought the revolution in defense of the
>rights of man and the civil war to abolish slavery and have now gone
> 5. ^ Niall Ferguson, "Prisoner Taking and Prisoner Killing in
>the Age of Total War: Towards a Political Economy of Military Defeat"
> 6. ^ Niall Ferguson, "Prisoner Taking and Prisoner Killing in
>the Age of Total War: Towards a Political Economy of Military Defeat"
> 7. ^ Niall Ferguson, "Prisoner Taking and Prisoner Killing in
>the Age of Total War: Towards a Political Economy of Military Defeat"
>o:
>H. Nawratil, Die deutschen Nachkriegsverluste unter Vertriebenen,
>europ=C3=A4ischen Nachkriegsverluste (Munich and Berlin, 1988), pp. 36f.)
> 8. ^ Niall Ferguson, "Prisoner Taking and Prisoner Killing in
>the Age of Total War: Towards a Political Economy of Military Defeat"
> 9. ^ Niall Ferguson, "Prisoner Taking and Prisoner Killing in
>the Age of Total War: Towards a Political Economy of Military Defeat"
> 10. ^ Steven Bela Vardy and T. Hunt Tooley, eds. Ethnic
>Cleansing in Twentieth-Century Europe ISBN 0-88033-995-0. subsection
>eed
>German Civilians after World War II=E2=80=9D pg. 281
>Brown and Company, Boston, New York, Toronto, London ISBN
>1-55168-191-9
>Civilians Under Allied Occupation, 1944-1950 Little Brown & Company;
>ISBN 0-7515-2277-5; (August 1997)
>German Pows: Facts Against Falsehood (1992)
> Secondary
>leansing in
>Twentieth-Century Europe Available as MS Word for Windows file (3.4
>MB) Section: by Richard Dominic Wiggers, The United States and the
>Refusal to Feed German Civilians after World War II pp. 274 - 288
>American Postwar Policy Algora Publishing, New York (2002) ISBN
>1-892941-90-2
> External links
>Bacque article seems to be the main source for the genocide accusation
> =E2=80=A2 Bacque and US Army historian Fisher's reply to Ambrose
> =E2=80=A2 Letters to the Editor of New Tork Times in response to
>Ambrose's review of "Other losses".
>Ziemke, Center of Military History, United States Army, 1975
>leansing in
>Twentieth-Century Europe Available as MS Word for Windows file (3.4
>MB) Section: by Richard Dominic Wiggers, The United States and the
>Refusal to Feed German Civilians after World War II pp. 274 - 288
>Captivity 1945-47 On the Allied transfer of Hungarian POW's for forced
>labour, and their resulting death rates. Available as a PDF file only
>(57 kB)
>Germany, and Afghanistan for Postwar Iraq, by Ray Salvatore Jennings
>May 2003, Peaceworks No. 49, United States Institute of Peace
>pe
>Faces Winter of Misery Life magazine January 7 1946
>Chief, Economics Division, Control Council for Germany, 1945-46
> to
>General Eisenhower, 1945; deputy military governor, Germany (U.S.)
>1946; commander in chief, U.S. Forces in Europe and military governor,
> =E2=80=A2 "An ethical blank cheque" British and US mythology about =
>the
>second world war ignores our own crimes and legitimises Anglo-American
>war making Richard Drayton Tuesday May 10, 2005 The Guardian
Goebellite propaganda for you!
Scotius
>On Wed, 8 Jul 2009 07:51:21 -0700 (PDT), anarchore
><anar...@reborn.com> wrote:
>
>>This is why the Zionists like Justice Minister and former Canadian
>>Jewish(Zionist) Congress head Irwin Cotler got him railroaded on a
>>false 'security certificate' - they said his presence in Canada
>>"could cause violence".
>>
>>What the faux-J-wish Zionists really meant, was that if the Canadian
>>people realized the snow-job the Zionists had pulled on them, that
>>they would give the Ziofascists a happy send-off.
>>
>>Zundel in an interview with the Isr-eli press, telling the unvarnished
>>truth, the truth you will never hear on the largely J-wish Zionist
>>controlled media in Canada.
>>
>>He tells the truth about Ira Ehrenberg, the J-wish atrocities of WWII
>>and the Soviet Union.
>>
>>I would never have believed this if I hadn't come across the
>>information in my research independently.
>>
>>Zundel was telling the truth all along with conviction.
>>
>>He was too articulate, obviously a threat to the Rothschild connected
>>faux-J-wish Isr-eli pressure groups that control Canada's political
>>life.
>>
>>"Chutzpah that staggers the Goyish imagination"
>>
>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVkp96Gm5tU
At times Zundel seems honest, but he insists that Stalin's
regime was mostly made up of Jews, or at least it sounds like that's
what he's saying. Clearly that was not the case.
He also gripes about a couple of Jewish guys who supposedly
provided poison with which SS men were poisoned. I'll say this much
about that; if it was the military SS, the guys who fought on the
front, then that was wrong. If it was the "police" SS - the guys who
ran the camps - then they got what they had coming. There were two
groups with the title "SS" in Germany. One was made up of decent
soldiers, and the other of scumbag thugs.
He says at one point that Hitler convinced "the majority of
Germans to vote for him". Actually, Hitler was appointed Chancellor by
von Hindenburg. He was not elected, and had no intention of allowing
democracy to potentially derail his revolution.
I have modified my opinion somewhat of Zundel though. I think
he's too focused on the evils he thinks Jews are doing, but I don't
think he's a neo nazi hater of Jews.
Ed Grimley
> I have modified my opinion somewhat of Zundel though. I think
> he's too focused on the evils he thinks Jews are doing, but I don't
> think he's a neo nazi hater of Jews.
>
Zundel is not liked in Canada by those who are anti racist and believe in a
multicultural society. However, someone torched his house once in the name
of being "anti-racist", and the two homes beside them almost burned to the
ground as well.
Toronto is a very successful example of multiculturalism, and multiculturalism
is a very distatasteful word so some people. But, the fool who torched
Zundels home and risked the lives of him, the occupants of his home, and those
who were his neighbours, are equally as distatasteful to the likes of me.
Zundel isn't a Canadian. Never was. He was a trouble maker here. An
immigrant trouble maker.
I know and respect lots of immgrants. Toronto is about 50% immigrant and
beats the shit out of any city its size for crime.
But, I don't like anyone who is a trouble maker, especially if they are a
foreigner. And I can mention more than Zundel. Wolfgang Droeg, Tomas
Winnicki? Ones German, the other is Polish. Immigrants who come here and
raise shit.
In the old days? It was "Keep your asshole issues back in the mother
country".
I feel the same about everyone like that. Colour, creed or religion included.
Most people here are like that. But the assholes get the attention.