Will Goose Stepper & Fox News Owner Rupert Murdoch Be Stripped Of His Citizenship And Deported Back To Australia Where He Belongs?
Crap Detector
How do we know that he isn't a seditious America hating traitor, a foreigner
whose best interests lie in undermining the government, spreading
disinformation and dividing the country?
Fascism, Nazism and Conservatism
European fascism drew on existing anti-modernist conservatism, and on the
conservative reaction to communism and 19th-century socialism.
Conservative thinkers such as historian Oswald Spengler provided much of the
world view (Weltanschauung) of the Nazi movement.
In Britain, the conservative Daily Mail enthusiastically backed Sir Oswald
Mosley's British Union of Fascists, and part of the Conservative Party
supported closer ties with Nazi Germany.
When defeat in World War II ideologically and historically discredited
fascism, almost all Western conservatives tried to distance themselves from
it. Nevertheless, many post-war Western conservatives continued to admire the
Franco regime in Spain, clearly conservative but also fascist in origin. With
the end of the Franco regime and Portugal's Estado Novo in the 1970s, the
relationship between conservatism and classical European fascism was further
weakened.
Militarism is perhaps the most striking similarity between Fascism and
contemporary American conservatism. Of course, there are many liberals in
America who support the military and even call for increased
military spending.
Even so, American liberals are traditionally more skeptical of the military
than American conservatives. It is often said that Neoconservatives, like
Hitler, see the military as a paradigm for problem solving (even in situations
that may render militarism impractical or unethical).
The relationship of fascism to right-wing ideologies (including some that are
described as neo-fascist) is still an issue for conservatives and the majority
of Americans who despise them.
Crap Detector
Remailer, only socialist totalitarian states use the goose step in
their militariries, e.g. Hitler's National Socialist or Nazi troops,
Lenin and
Stalin's socialist utopian armies, North Korea, anti-capitalist Iran,
Mussolini's fascist/commies etc. The U.S., Canada and Great Britain
have never used it.
Sunny Malone
And the People's Republic of China. Did you watch any of their parades
during the 60th Anniversary celebrations this year or the 2008
Olympics? Miles of Goose-stepping troops in Soviet military formation
(with the ones in front carrying pictures of Mao). So now you're
admitting that they are "a socialist totalitarian state" (thus
contradicting your other pro-China threads)? As Mr. Spock would say,
"interesting".
Crap Detector
These videos could well have been of 1970s vintage. Or perhaps they
were of North Korean troops.
Miles of Goose-stepping troops in Soviet military formation
> (with the ones in front carrying pictures of Mao). So now you're
> admitting that they are "a socialist totalitarian state" (thus
> contradicting your other pro-China threads)? As Mr. Spock would say,
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I did make a mistake earlier in referring to a Chinese controlled
company trading on the TSX, It was Husky Oil And Gas not Hudson Bay.
Look, China is far too rich to be a socialist/communist state. It is a
creditor nation to which the quasi-socialist U.S. now owes a
whopping $1 trillion. This is unprecedented and shameful for the once
capitalist powerhouse U.S. And what is most frightening is the trend.
At this rate soon the U.S.'s debt interest payments will be the
federal government's largest single expenditure. Even now with a
national debt of $12 trillion the annual dept interest is close to
half a trillion dollars.
It seems like any manufactured good I buy in a Canadian store has
"Made in China" stamped on it. A nation that is exporting like this,
dealing in commerce, financial services, etc. cannot be communist or
Marxist.
I stated clearly that China is an authoritative even totalitarian
state but there is a high degree of economic freedom which was never
seen in the defunct Soviet Union, Cuba or North Korea.
Crap Detector
> whose best interests lie in undermining the government, spreading
> disinformation and dividing the country?
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> Fascism, Nazism and Conservatism
You have it all wrong. In political science class years ago we used a
text titled,
"Socialism, Communism and Fascism". These ideologies are all closely
connected. You can check this excellent book out at Amazon.com.
Crap Detector
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> > On Dec 21, 8:09 am, Crap Detector <detec...@utopia.com> wrote:
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> > > How do we know that he isn't a seditious America hating traitor, a foreigner
> > > whose best interests lie in undermining the government, spreading
> > > disinformation and dividing the country?
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> > > Fascism, Nazism and Conservatism
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> > > European fascism drew on existing anti-modernist conservatism, and on the
> > > conservative reaction to communism and 19th-century socialism.
> > > Conservative thinkers such as historian Oswald Spengler provided much of the
> > > world view (Weltanschauung) of the Nazi movement.
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> > > In Britain, the conservative Daily Mail enthusiastically backed Sir Oswald
> > > Mosley's British Union of Fascists, and part of the Conservative Party
> > > supported closer ties with Nazi Germany.
But this proves nothing. Not all conservatives are free-market,
laissez-faire conservatives
e.g. Pat Buchanan. Right-wingers today should be 19th century
liberals. It was these people
who brought laissez-faire to Britain. They are the true right
wingers.
I have read Spengler's "Decline of the West" and he is being proven
right today; the West is
definitely in decline. As for Oswald Mosley and the Daily Mail, they
were no doubt closet
socialists or pro-socialist.
> > > When defeat in World War II ideologically and historically discredited
> > > fascism, almost all Western conservatives tried to distance themselves from
> > > it.
Bullshit. Italy almost went Communist in several elections after WW
II. France has always been
socialist and collaborated with the Nazis in WW II. Greece almost went
Communist. And essentially there was no difference between Stalin and
Hiltler.
Nevertheless, many post-war Western conservatives continued to admire
the
> > > Franco regime in Spain, clearly conservative but also fascist in origin.
Again this is bullshit. I drove through Spain in 1962 and found it
just like Cuba is today. The only
difference was that Franco's Spain was R.C. whereas Castro's Cuba is
atheist.
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> > > the end of the Franco regime and Portugal's Estado Novo in the 1970s, the
> > > relationship between conservatism and classical European fascism was further
> > > weakened.
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> > > Militarism is perhaps the most striking similarity between Fascism and
> > > contemporary American conservatism. Of course, there are many liberals in
> > > America who support the military and even call for increased
> > > military spending.
>
> > > Even so, American liberals are traditionally more skeptical of the military
> > > than American conservatives. It is often said that Neoconservatives, like
> > > Hitler, see the military as a paradigm for problem solving (even in situations
> > > that may render militarism impractical or unethical).
>
> > > The relationship of fascism to right-wing ideologies (including some that are
> > > described as neo-fascist) is still an issue for conservatives and the majority
> > > of Americans who despise them.
Hey now, who got America into war with North Korea in 1950. The
liberal Democrats
controlled both the Senate and Congress and a Democrat progressive
Harry Truman was
president.
Again the liberals under Kennedy and Johnson got the U.S. involved in
a war with Viet Nam.
America's war with Islam started under Clinton. The liberals and
Democrats were actually
responsible for 9/11 and the terrorsism that prededed it.
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> > Remailer, only socialist totalitarian states use the goose step in
> > their militariries, e.g. Hitler's National Socialist or Nazi troops,
> > Lenin and
> > Stalin's socialist utopian armies, North Korea, anti-capitalist Iran,
> > Mussolini's fascist/commies etc. The U.S., Canada and Great Britain
> > have never used it.
>
> And the People's Republic of China. Did you watch any of their parades
> during the 60th Anniversary celebrations this year or the 2008
> Olympics? Miles of Goose-stepping troops in Soviet military formation
> (with the ones in front carrying pictures of Mao). So now you're
> admitting that they are "a socialist totalitarian state" (thus
> contradicting your other pro-China threads)? As Mr. Spock would say,