I would like to know if the following situation constitutes fraud or misrepresentation:
HRDC has hired a company called Tecsult to assist job seekers with training. One of the training courses available is language training in either official language - English or French. The idea is great, and sounds very promising to anyone who wants to work for the government. However, anyone who already has a knowledge of either official language does NOT qualify for the training.
> I would like to know if the following situation constitutes fraud > or misrepresentation:
> HRDC has hired a company called Tecsult to assist job seekers > with training. One of the training courses available is language > training in either official language - English or French. The idea > is great, and sounds very promising to anyone who wants to work > for the government. However, anyone who already has a > knowledge of either official language does NOT qualify for the > training.
Thanks, but that's not what I mean. The criteria for people who apply for assistance for this training appears to be impossible to reach. In order to be eligible for this training (English OR French) you must have NO working knowledge of either official language. If this is true, then how does the presenter explain the criteria in the first place? What they are saying is that unless you speak Chinese, German, Polish, Italian, Spanish, or a host of other Non-English or Non-French languages as your mother tongue, you do not qualify for this assistance. In that case, then the person presenting the training details MUST speak one of those languages himself or herself. If you're wondering what I mean, I mean that the training materials, training info pamphlets, training presentations and any other details relating to this language assistance are all already printed or delivered in English or French.
You are right about the argument for it being discrimination though. If a person has knowledge of English or French and cannot take this training, then that is certainly discrimination. This seems to be a recurring theme in our government. They don't seem to understand that favoritism = discrimination.
Cheers,
TWD
"Tim Campbell" <timot...@sentex.net> wrote in message
> I would like to know if the following situation constitutes fraud > or misrepresentation:
> HRDC has hired a company called Tecsult to assist job seekers > with training. One of the training courses available is language > training in either official language - English or French. The idea > is great, and sounds very promising to anyone who wants to work > for the government. However, anyone who already has a > knowledge of either official language does NOT qualify for the > training.
Why don't you produce the actual material (in either official language) instead of your own spin? It's obvious that they put your nose out of shape over something. Why else would you use innuendo to accuse them of fraud? Nothing you've said indicates anything fraudulent is going on. You should be thankful the company named in your posting doesn't sue you.
Anyway, I'll take an educated guess at what the truth is. They have a training course to teach ESL/(FSL?) to potential job seekers whose native tongue is neither. You -- a bilingual speaker -- want to take the training. Why is beyond me. You can't. Too bad. The purpose of the training is to improve the English/French of non English/French speakers. Of course, it isn't aimed at those who cannot speak either language, but those who cannot speak either language well.
And it's not "discrimination" to create a course that caters to a specific group of people (non E/F native speakers) in order to better their lot in this bilingual world of ours. But you probably already knew that.
>Thanks, but that's not what I mean. The criteria for people who apply for >assistance for this training appears to be impossible to reach. In order to >be eligible for this training (English OR French) you must have NO >working knowledge of either official language. If this is true, then how >does the presenter explain the criteria in the first place? What they are >saying is that unless you speak Chinese, German, Polish, Italian, Spanish, >or a host of other Non-English or Non-French languages as your mother >tongue, you do not qualify for this assistance. In that case, then the >person >presenting the training details MUST speak one of those languages himself >or herself. If you're wondering what I mean, I mean that the training >materials, >training info pamphlets, training presentations and any other details >relating to >this language assistance are all already printed or delivered in English or >French.
>You are right about the argument for it being discrimination though. If a >person >has knowledge of English or French and cannot take this training, then that >is >certainly discrimination. This seems to be a recurring theme in our >government. >They don't seem to understand that favoritism = discrimination.
>Cheers,
>TWD
>"Tim Campbell" <timot...@sentex.net> wrote in message >news:3da76c79$1@news.sentex.net... >HRDC IS a government office. They have many programs, focused on many >subjects.
>If you already are bilingual, why are you surprised that you dont qualify? >Your point may be an argument for discrimination, but not fraud.
>> I would like to know if the following situation constitutes fraud >> or misrepresentation:
>> HRDC has hired a company called Tecsult to assist job seekers >> with training. One of the training courses available is language >> training in either official language - English or French. The idea >> is great, and sounds very promising to anyone who wants to work >> for the government. However, anyone who already has a >> knowledge of either official language does NOT qualify for the >> training.
<snip> Of course, it isn't aimed at those who cannot speak either language, but those who cannot speak either language well.
And it's not "discrimination" to create a course that caters to a specific group of people (non E/F native speakers) in order to better their lot in this bilingual world of ours. But you probably already knew that.
--- No Peter, it isn't aimed at those who cannot speak either language well, it's aimed at those who cannot speak either language AT ALL. This is my point. If you have ANY knowledge of English or French, you cannot take the training. Fine. But if that's the case, why is the presentation given in English or French AT ALL? It should be something else entirely. If a Chinese person wants to take the training in English, is the presentation going to be given to that person in English? Duhh!
TWD wrote in message ... ><snip> Of course, it isn't aimed at those who cannot speak either >language, but those who cannot speak either language well.
>And it's not "discrimination" to create a course that caters to a >specific group of people (non E/F native speakers) in order to better >their lot in this bilingual world of ours. But you probably already knew >that.
>--- >No Peter, it isn't aimed at those who cannot speak either language well, >it's aimed at those who cannot speak either language AT ALL.
According to you. Produce the actual material and I'll believe it. Otherwise it just sounds like a disgruntled person who wants in on a course and can't get it. -- Peter D
TWD wrote in message ... ><snip> Of course, it isn't aimed at those who cannot speak either >language, but those who cannot speak either language well.
>And it's not "discrimination" to create a course that caters to a >specific group of people (non E/F native speakers) in order to better >their lot in this bilingual world of ours. But you probably already knew >that.
>--- >No Peter, it isn't aimed at those who cannot speak either language well, >it's aimed at those who cannot speak either language AT ALL.
According to you. Produce the actual material and I'll believe it. Otherwise it just sounds like a disgruntled person who wants in on a course and can't get it. -- Peter D
--- For your information, I haven't even applied for it. I'm not going to go in there and get the same treatment that the last group got. If I apply for it, I will speak German.
