NIZKOR.ORG Director Ken McVay Caught Lying About San Antonio Connection! (Those Two U.S. Servers!) V3.0 Updated Links T_0625
Fred Rutherford
P.O. Box 244, Station A
Nanaimo, B.C. V9R 5K9 Canada
"Holocaust Research" web site director's documented dishonesty:
Everyone reading this post will be able to appreciate the numerous lies The
Nizkor Project's director Ken McVay is caught in. How can he be viewed as a
credible source of information when he is blatantly dishonest about so many
things I have caught him in and have documented in this post and the referral
archives I list to other expose' posts I have made. Everyone try to keep track
of the lies, deceptions, and flip-flops. To this very day Ken McVay has not
answered simple questions about his funding methods and his operation. He
resorts to name call, smear, and ad hominem attack. If he had nothing to hide
and if he were on the up and up then why won't he answer!?
Nizkor's Ken McVay Caught Lying Big Time About his San Antonio Connection!
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/7bf723c8f9de41a0
(Archived locally as: NizkorTexConnection_1)
From: kmc...@veritas.nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay, OBC)
Subject: BabbleBlubber's Bullshit
Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 23:37:47 +0000 (UTC)
Organization: The Nizkor Project, http://www.nizkor.org/
Message-ID: <9ksigb$tct$1...@news.tht.net>
Ken Lewis said:
[...]
> >Nizkor - San Antonio (128K)
> >http://www1.us.nizkor.org/
> >(Link active July 13, 2001)
:
> Sorry, Scott, www1.us.nizkor.org is in Toronto.
<<Tavish comment March 12, 2003: You are wrong and Ken McVay's own claims prove
so! If you are going to be his spin meister and attempt to do damage control
then you should get your act together!>>
[...]
> >Nizkor Search Engine - San Antonio
> >http://www1.us.nizkor.org/search.html
:
> Once again a simple DNS search could save you a lot of trouble.
>
> www1.us.nizkor.org is merely a domain name and does not indicate
> where the pages resides.
<<Tavish comment March 12, 2003: I now slam dunk your claim above with Ken
McVay's own words:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.fan.ernst-zundel/msg/529db577dae4d7fe
(Archived locally as: NizkorTexConnection_2)
From: kmc...@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC)
Subject: The Nizkor Web
Date: 1996/06/16
Message-ID: <4q2gf0$r...@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>
"Nizkor will open two full-mirror Nizkor web sites. One of
them will operate out of Toronto, the other from San Antonio,
Texas. At about the same time the Texas server comes on-line,
nizkor.almanac.bc.ca, reconfigured in a 150MHz Pentium box,
will be upgraded to fibre." --End of Tavish comment>>
>But, as I indicated above, this one is in Toronto.
[...]
P.S. - for the history buffs.. at one time, Nizkor _did_ have servers
in the United States - two of them...
<<Tavish comment January 17, 2003: In regard to this petty attempt to brow beat
me Ken McVay admitted having two Nizkor servers in the United States. Everyone
please see the included archive included further down titled:
"Re: So Nizkor didn't receive $50,000 ?? Major US newspaper says he did."
which I had been posting and which brought this response.>>
~~End of GOOGLE Archival Excerpt~~
Ken McVay admitted to having two Nizkor servers in the United States!
He however denies such now in the following:
http://nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/m/mcvay.ken/2000/San_Antonio_Area_Foundation_donation
Shofar FTP Archive File:
people/m/mcvay.ken/2000/San_Antonio_Area_Foundation_donation
From kmc...@nizkor.org Thu Jun 1 21:09:22 EDT 2000
Article: 747674 of alt.revisionism
Path: hub.org!hub.org!not-for-mail
From: kmc...@vex.net (Kenneth McVay, OBC)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: The embezzlement question McVay refuses to answer
Date: 2 Jun 2000 01:04:24 GMT
Organization: The Nizkor Project, http://www.nizkor.org/
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Message-ID: <8h716n$2t9h$1...@news.tht.net>
References: <282e6175...@usw-ex0103-086.remarq.com>
Reply-To: kmc...@nizkor.org
X-Trace: news.tht.net 959907864 95537 216.126.72.2 (2 Jun 2000 01:04:24 GMT)
X-Complaints-To: scr...@hub.org
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"Blakely" wrote in message
news:282e6175...@usw-ex0103-086.remarq.com...
> What did you do with the $50,000 given to you to start a Nizkor
> operation in San Antonio? Since you claim you don't have a San
> Antonio operation, is it safe to say that you simply embezzled
> the money?
No one ever gave me $50,000. That sum was donated to the San Antonio
Area Foundation. $40,000 was invested, at the direction of the donor,
in the purchase of two Sun computer systems. $10,000 was invested in
an endowment fund in accordance with the regulations set by the San
Antonio Area Foundation. The San Antonio Area Foundation has never
paid me - or anyone else, to my knowledge. They have, however,
invested the donation as they were directed and legally bound to do.
The computers are in use to this day, confronting and refuting
Holocaust denial, but I have nothing to do with their operation,
maintanence or development.
You can verify their existence by visiting
http://www.holocaust-history.org and http://thhp.org.
I have no association with either organization, and never have. Should
you have further questions, I suggest that you contact Robert
Washington, Patrick Groff, Mark S. Freedman or Harry W. Mazal, OBE,
who are collectively responsible for the fund and the machines....
<END>
Notice two servers or computers are mentioned PLUS Ken McVay denied EVER having
anything to do with either organization! That is simply false! Notice one person
mentioned is Harry Mazal OBE? He was the official US Nizkor rep as this archive
proves:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.fan.ernst-zundel/msg/5644ca98164573b6
(Archived locally as: MazalNizkorUSA)
From: hma...@txdirect.net (Harry W. Mazal OBE)
Subject: Re: The New, "Interactive" Ernst Zundel
Date: 1997/03/25
Message-ID: <33382a3d....@news.txdirect.net>
My friend and colleague, Mr. McVay suggests that I "interact" with Mr.
Zundel...
Harry W. Mazal OBE
Nizkor (USA) An Electronic Holocaust Educational Resource
~~End of GOOGLE Archival Excerpt~~
Yet Ken McVay stated (as shown higher up): "The computers are in use to this
day, confronting and refuting Holocaust denial, but I have nothing to do with
their operation, maintanence or development. You can verify their existence by
visiting http://www.holocaust-history.org and http://thhp.org.
I have no association with either organization, and never have. Should
you have further questions, I suggest that you contact... Harry W. Mazal, OBE.."
Ken McVay lied and I ask if Ken never had anything to do with Harry Mazal then
why did Harry Mazal post such as: "My friend and colleague, Mr. McVay suggests
that I "interact" with Mr. Zundel... Harry W. Mazal OBE Nizkor (USA) An
Electronic Holocaust Educational Resource"?
Furthermore many "organizations" are actually the person who runs them.
I.E. NIZKOR.ORG is really a web site solely operated by Ken McVay- hence Nizkor
is Ken McVay! (All domain registration searches done with:
http://www.geektools.com/cgi-bin/proxy.cgi
<<Special Note: These domain registration searches reflect returns made at the
time and some searches were made in 2002.>>
Registrant:
The Nizkor Project
P.O. Box 244, Station A
Nanaimo, BC V9R5K9
CA
Domain: NIZKOR.ORG
Registrar: DomainBank.com
Administrative Contact:
McVay, Kenneth KMC...@VERITAS.NIZKOR.ORG
P.O. Box 244, Station A
Nanaimo, BC V9R5K9 CA
(PHONE) 416-966-0461
The two organizations Ken McVay named above and claimed in relation to them:
"http://www.holocaust-history.org and http://thhp.org. I have no association
with either organization, and never have.." Two lies and here is the proof McVay
lied:
http://www.holocaust-history.org aka holocaust-history.org
Registrant:
The Holocaust History Project (HOLOCAUST-HISTORY-DOM)
600 Sandau Suite 400
San Antonio, TX 78216
US
Domain Name: HOLOCAUST-HISTORY.ORG
Administrative Contact, Technical Contact:
Mazal, Harry (HM1296) hma...@TXDIRECT.NET
The Mazal Library
600 Sandau, Suite 400
San Antonio, TX 78216 US
210-377-2742
<END>
Oooops! McVay denied having any connection to that org and as recently as
June 2002 this was an active return from VeriSign:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/cfa0944d81241a6d
(Archived locally as: RaglandMazalUSA)
From: ragl...@webtv.net (Michael Ragland)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Some Holes, Some Holocaust (Danny Keren)
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 23:19:26 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID: <14152-3D1...@storefull-2253.public.lawson.webtv.net>
References: <3D1BC57C...@sympatico.ca>
Veri Sign Whois
http://www.netsol.com/cgi-bin/whois/whois
Enter mazal.org and read results
You are Here:WHOIS -> Search Results
Search Results
Registrant:
San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund c/o BASIC (MAZAL2-DOM)
600 Sandau Suite 400
San Antonio, TX 78216 US
Domain Name: MAZAL.ORG
Administrative Contact, Technical Contact:
Mazal, Harry (HM1296) hma...@TXDIRECT.NET
The Mazal Library 600 Sandau, Suite 400 San Antonio, TX 78216 US
210-377-2742
Record expires on 28-Jun-2006.
Record created on 27-Jun-1997.
Database last updated on 27-Jun-2002 22:55:14 EDT.
<end/quote>
McVay also posted the following which links him to Harry Mazal:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/e6e8f845002483a1
(Archived locally as: NizkorSAAFfunding)
From: kmc...@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC)
Subject: The Nizkor Project appreciates your support
Date: 1996/09/05
Message-ID: <50n608$9...@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>
x-network: http://www.nizkor.org/
organization: The Nizkor Project
[...]
In the United States, checks should be made payable to:
"SAN ANTONIO AREA FOUNDATION - Nizkor Fund"
and should be mailed to:
San Antonio Area Foundation
Nizkor Fund
P.O. Box 120366
San Antonio, TX 78212-9566
The funds you have provided have been used to provide substantial
improvements in service.
<end/quote>
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/72d376fef3c983cf
(Archived locally as: KleinsorgSAAF)
From: kmc...@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC)
Subject: Nizkor Project financing and Kleinsorg's slandering Germans
Date: 1996/06/15
Message-ID: <4pvbkg$a...@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>
In article <31c2fa3a...@news.annap.infi.net>,
h...@annap.infi.net (Horst Kleinsorg) wrote, in response to my
suggestion that he actually do some research:
>First tell us who is financing your Nizkor, then we perhaps can
>talk.
Thank you for bringing that up, Mr. Kleinsorg. I am financed
by thousands of "just plain folks" who wish to support my
work.
[...]
In the United States, they make their cheques payable to:
SAN ANTONIO AREA FOUNDATION - Nizkor Fund
and mail them to:
San Antonio Area Foundation
Nizkor Fund
P.O. Box 120366
San Antonio, TX 78212-9566
Once again, Mr. Kleinsorg, thank you for asking. I trust this
open, public response will satisfy your query.
By the way, Mr. Kleinsorg... now that I have responded openly
and honestly to your question, perhaps you can tell us what
difference it makes who finances my work...
The Nizkor Project (Canada) - An Electronic Holocaust Educational Resource
[Ftp] http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?
[Europe] ftp://nizkor.iam.uni-bonn.de/pub/nizkor/
http://www.almanac.bc.ca/ (Under construction - permanently!)......unlearn
<end/quote>
Looks to me like you're linked to Harry Mazal's organization! He was a
receptacle and collector of donations for your Nizkor Project. You also are on
record as having this exchange (as shown higher up in this very posting):
<quote>
You, Ken McVay, were asked this question:
> What did you do with the $50,000 given to you to start a Nizkor
> operation in San Antonio? Since you claim you don't have a San
> Antonio operation, is it safe to say that you simply embezzled
> the money?
<You, Ken McVay are on record as answering with>:
No one ever gave me $50,000. That sum was donated to the San Antonio
Area Foundation. $40,000 was invested, at the direction of the donor,
in the purchase of two Sun computer systems. $10,000 was invested in
an endowment fund in accordance with the regulations set by the San
Antonio Area Foundation. The San Antonio Area Foundation has never
paid me...
<end/quote>
~~~New addition and thought evoking questions:
The slam dunk question of all time is-- If what you claim above with these
words: "The San Antonio Area Foundation has never paid me - or anyone else, to
my knowledge." AND you have stated this as well: "Neither The Nizkor Project nor
Ken McVay has ever received any money from the "San Antonio Area Foundation -
Nizkor Fund" which is from this archive:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/can.general/msg/8db801fb548cdb26
(Archived locally as: McVayBraysLies)
Subject: Re: What did Kenny McVay do with money he claims he never got?
Organization: The Nizkor Project, http://www.nizkor.org/
From: kmc...@vex.net (Ken McVay)
Message-ID: <xO%P9.1985$C43.13...@news.nnrp.ca>
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 17:57:49 GMT
AND If both of those statements are accepted as true then why did you state (as
shown in this very posting): "I am financed by thousands of "just plain folks"
who wish to support my work. ...In the United States, they make their cheques
payable to: SAN ANTONIO AREA FOUNDATION - Nizkor Fund" AND you also stated
(as shown in this very posting): "The Nizkor Project appreciates your support
...In the United States, checks should be made payable to: "SAN ANTONIO AREA
FOUNDATION - Nizkor Fund" ...The funds you have provided have been used to
provide substantial improvements in service." Why would you be giving thanks for
support and for financing through the San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund
if your words are true here: "Neither The Nizkor Project nor Ken McVay has ever
received any money from the "San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund"? SEE
WHAT A LIAR YOU ARE AND SEE HOW I HAVE CAUGHT YOU!?
New addition June 25, 2005: Ken McVay has stated: '"Neither The Nizkor Project
nor Ken McVay has ever received any money from the "San Antonio Area Foundation
- Nizkor Fund"' YET his very own web site also states this:
http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/m/mcvay-ken/put-up-shut-up.html
(Archived locally as: put-up-shut-up)
"Mr. Giwer will agree to the immediate release of the trust funds to the San
Antonio Area Foundation Nizkor Fund as a tax-exempt donation." If McVay has no
ties to San Antonio as he has claimed then why would he want the bet he made
with an American citizen to pay up to "the San Antonio Area Foundation Nizkor
Fund as a tax-exempt donation" if Mr. Giwer lost?
~~~End New addition and thought evoking questions~~~
NOW-- as for the second organization you have denied ever having any connection
with: http://thhp.org
Domain Name: THHP.ORG
Organization:
Jamie McCarthy
Jamie McCarthy
P.O. Box 20394
Kalamazoo, MI 49019
US
Phone: 616-375-7528
Email: ja...@mccarthy.org
Registrar Name....: Register.com
Registrar Whois...: whois.register.com
Registrar Homepage: http://www.register.com
Domain Name: THHP.ORG
<END>
That organization is Jamie McCarthy and he was, after all, a former co-webmaster
of yours so how can you deny having any connection with him? He is THHP.ORG just
as your are NIZKOR.ORG!! HOWEVER if one opens up the domain name of www.thhp.org
they will get this: The link changes to: http://www.holocaust-history.org/
(Sound familiar? It's connected to Harry Mazal!!) Click this link regarding
donations: "If you are interested in making a donation, please see our
information regarding donations.: http://www.holocaust-history.org/donations/
and you get: "Donations- This Internet site is maintained by The Holocaust
History Project,Inc. The Holocaust History Project, Inc. is a not for profit
corporation organized under the laws of the state of Texas... Ralf P. Loserth,
Treasurer The Holocaust History Project, Inc. 600 Sandau Road; Suite 400; San
Antonio, Texas 78216" (Links right back to Harry Mazal!!!) That is the same
person and same address of the San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund!!
(I showed the GOOGLE archive which documents Michael Ragland doing a VeriSign
WhoIs on MAZAL.ORG as late as June 27, 2002 higher up in this very post).
Here is proof Jamie McCarthy is your former co-webmaster at Nizkor:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/5e4f05aa66b6909c
(Archived locally as: McCarthyNizkor)
From: ja...@voyager.net (Jamie McCarthy)
Subject: Re: the new, revised Nizkor
Date: 1996/12/03
Message-ID: <jamie-03129...@clmx43.dial.voyager.net>
references: <3298694d...@news.gte.net>
organization: Voyager Information Networks, Inc.
newsgroups: alt.revisionism
NIZKOR FUNDING:
CANADA & THE UNITED STATES
[...]
THE UNITED STATES
In the United States, donations for the project's efforts should be
made payable to:
San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund
and should be mailed to:
San Antonio Area Foundation
Nizkor Fund
P.O. Box 120366
San Antonio, TX 78212-9566
American donors may deduct contributions as provided in section 170 of
the Internal Revenue Code. Bequests, legacies, devises, transfers, or
gifts are deductible for federal, estate, and gift tax purposes if
they meet the applicable provisions of Code sections 2055, 2106 and
2522.
We very much appreciate your donations, which assist in the
development and enhancement of The Nizkor Project website. Thank You.
--
Jamie McCarthy http://www.absence.prismatix.com/jamie/
ja...@voyager.net Co-Webmaster of http://www.nizkor.org/
<end/quote>
Now I ask again- now that it has been established those two computer systems San
Antonio Area Foundation gave you $50,000 to set up why do you now deny getting
$50,000 which your own web site link even proves you received as I quote here:
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/m/mcvay.ken/press/express-news.960803
(Archived locally as: express-news960803)
Shofar FTP Archive File: people/m/mcvay.ken/press/express-news.960803
San Antonio Express-News
August 3, 1996
Page 10B
"Internet project won't let Holocaust be forgotten"
By Thomas Edwards
Express-News Staff Writer
"Nizkor" in Hebrew means "we will remember," but it is also a
solemn promise Holocaust researcher Kenneth McVay has taken to
the Internet so that people will never forget the atrocities of
Nazi Germany.
Now his task has gotten a little easier with a $50,000 grant from
the philanthropic San Antonio Area Foundation to the Nizkor
Project, an international computer web site directed by the 55-
year-old McVay from his home in Vancouver Island, Canada.... <END>
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
You did say and you are on record as saying those Nizkor links were at one time
American links and B'nai Brith listed them as being in San Antonio! Care to
explain your lies I have caught you in?
Now watch more name calling and personal attacks to commence!
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/can.general/msg/897d2d266cf21450
(Archived locally as: NizkorUSpaper)
Subject: Re: So Nizkor didn't receive $50,000 ?? Major US newspaper says he did.
Message-ID: <prnbnto9b6kta1qj9...@4ax.com>
<<<In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is
distributed without profit or payment to those who have expressed
a prior interest in receiving this information for non-profit
research and educational purposes only. - FAIR USE INTENDED>>>
http://www.bnaibrith.ca/publications/jclinks/jincan-01.htm
(Link Active August 11, 2001)
B'NAI BRITH CANADA
LINKS If you would like to add your organization or community service to this
listing, or if you have suggestions for other links, please email the webmaster
at b...@bnaibrith.ca.
Jewish Indices | Selected Israel sites | Media Sites | Hate on the Internet |
Palestinian and Islamic Sites | Anti-Hate Groups | Canadian Government
Anti-Hate Groups:
Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith
Canadian Race Relations Foundation / Fondation canadienne des relations raciales
Fighting Hate - HTML
HateWatch Inc.
Simon Wiesenthal Center
Anti-Racist Action
Human Rights Internet (HRI)
International Centre of Human Rights and Democratic Development
Nizkor Home Page Toronto
http://www.nizkor.org/
Nizkor Home Page British Columbia
http://www.almanac.bc.ca/
Nizkor - Toronto (T1)
http://www2.ca.nizkor.org/
Nizkor - Toronto (128K)
http://www1.ca.nizkor.org/
Nizkor - San Antonio (128K)
http://www1.us.nizkor.org/
(Link Active August 11, 2001)
Holocaust Cybrary- Now at Nizkor!
Nizkor Search Engine - San Antonio
http://www1.us.nizkor.org/search.html
(Link Active August 11, 2001)
<end>
~~End of GOOGLE Archive~~
These links also show the same material presented by B'nai Brith web site at
that time:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/can.general/msg/569ee7996cf79e8d
(Archived locally as: NizkorUSlink)
Subject: Canadian Revenue Payers Subsidize NIZKOR, a Web Site not Sanctioned by
CCRA, Through an Elaborate Scam aka Re: Blubberbury's Bullshit and Blather
Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 16:58:03 -0500
Message-ID: <qdb3ntsfl4hld4vbr...@4ax.com>
In summation all Ken McVay can do is call me names when I expose him with facts.
WHAT SHOULD THAT TELL EVERYONE!! Calling me names and insulting me won't make
his lies go away and anyone who funds the liar is a fool who is departed from
his money.
Tavish
"Does it bother you at all that you are forced to tell transparent lies
about your opposition, while they can undermine your efforts merely by
telling the truth about you?" -Jim Alder 01 Jun 2005
Message ID: Xns96687CF5C4150...@216.196.97.142
I.E.
----NIZKOR.ORG'S Ken McVay's Numerous Documented Lies Regarding His Funding----
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/can.general/msg/8e50a4a0edaf49ea
Subject: $50,000 Not Reported to CCRA by The Nizkor Project? Ken McVay is Lying
About Funds He Has Apparently NOT Reported to CCRA!! SAAF Report for 2002 Is
Further Proof! V2.5 Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 09:13:30 -0500
Message-ID: <miqil05i42imr45pd...@4ax.com>
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/tor.general/msg/a199aa5b45c20203
Subject: Nizkor LHR Fund; Just Another Self Serving FUND Like the Nizkor
Endowment and Trust Funds?
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 10:56:49 -0600
Message-ID: <rhao2v4fbuij94mcm...@4ax.com>
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/can.general/msg/ad2c41710e77f3fd
Subject: Is NIZKOR Running a Self Serving Endowment Fund Scam?
Message-ID: <3e060...@news2.uncensored-news.com>
Date: 22 Dec 2002 18:46:15 GMT
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/can.general/msg/d9ec34ce6d803428
Subject: V2.0 NIZKOR.ORG and B'nai Brith's Apparent Funding Kick Backs and Tax
Scam R_1121
Message-ID: <qa5trvoa3c6ella1o...@4ax.com>
Date: 21 Nov 2003 23:56:36 GMT
B'nai Brith has also funded communist David Lethbridge:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/can.general/msg/56c62b82ce6a0edb
Subject: UPDATED! B'nai Brith Allies Itself With Communist David Lethbridge
Against Capitalism, and Christianity V2.0 R_1207
Message-ID: <4186tvsr4d3oiodp2...@4ax.com>
Date: 7 Dec 2003 12:48:39 GMT
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/can.general/msg/515075180971b8d9?
Subject: The Nizkor Project Deals in Forged Documents and Smear Financed With
Exempt Donations... Message-ID: <jrcrb1934c9m7d78f...@4ax.com>
Date: 25 Jun 2005 20:23:33 GMT
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