An Ex-lawyer who’s no Believer in the Taxman :CRA SOTW
Alan Baggett
Please remember before making any changes to your personal and/or
financial situations to speak with your lawyer, accountant and other
competent financial advisers.
Newmarket Jul 22, 2008 12:44 AM
Depression on the way: Newmarket man
By: Amanda Persico, Staff Writer
Come each April 1, John Gorman shakes his head and throws away the
brown envelope marked Revenue Canada. He has only filed his federal
taxes twice since 1980.
“I’m anything but part of the system,” he said. “We were trained to
pay taxes. The taxman is illegal.”
The former Newmarket lawyer broke away from the conventional tax
sentiment. He put his dislike of the government taking from his pocket
and posted them for all Canadians to read.
“Everyone is sucked in,” he said. “About 99 per cent have no idea
about what’s going on.”
Mr. Gorman created the Marvel-like CAPtain Canada, decorated in red
and white superhero getup and cape.
He uses historical data and legal logic to fight the evil powers of
the taxman. After the First World War, the federal government asked to
use the provincial right to impose a direct tax on citizens because
the war debt was so huge. The government promised to stop income taxes
after the debt was paid, Mr. Gorman said.
“Collecting income tax by the federal government is not legislated,”
he said. “Everyone’s paying a voluntary tax.”
His website is a collection of anti-tax articles and financial
predictions, some of which have already taken place.
In 1983, when he was canvassing on behalf of farmers, he wrote his
future predictions for the world market. He said there would be a war
with many parties in the Middle East.
After a few years, a depression would hit North America that would be
worse than the Great Depression of the 1930s. But his prediction was
off by two years.
The war in the Middle East would start in 2000, he said.
“But it’s happening. The wars in Afghanistan and Iraq,” he said.
“And just look at the housing market in the States. They’re walking us
into a depression.”
By “they” he means the government and the banks through the collection
of taxes and interest rates.
Mr. Gorman suggests selling your home, if you owe more than 75 per
cent in mortgage, stock up on food and water and start to buy small
denominations of gold and silver.
The deepest part of the depression, he predicts, will hit before 2010.
But, more importantly, stay close to friends and family.
“I want to be here to help my kids and grandkids through the
Depression,” he said.
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John Gorman, a former Newmarket lawyer, has not paid income tax in
almost 30 years. H esaid that collecting income tax is not legislated
by the government and everyone is paying a voluntary tax. He also
believes we are heading toward a depression because of conflicts in
the Middle East.
I did a little googling and located two of Mr Gorman’s websites:
http://www.antitaxcrusader.com/ and http://www.captaincanadacrusades.ca/
and http://www.clubconspiracy.com/forum/872-captcanada/
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Abbot
> An Ex-lawyer who’s no Believer in the Taxman :CRA SOTW
>
> Please remember before making any changes to your personal and/or
> financial situations to speak with your lawyer, accountant and other
> competent financial advisers.
>
> Newmarket Jul 22, 2008 12:44 AM
> Depression on the way: Newmarket man
> By: Amanda Persico, Staff Writer
>
> Come each April 1, John Gorman shakes his head and throws away the
> brown envelope marked Revenue Canada. He has only filed his federal
> taxes twice since 1980.
Abbot) Every anti-tax/ detax scam artist eventually gets around to
this claim. “I don’t pay taxes and if you are smart, like me, you
won’t have to either.”
Of course none of them can document the claim and many, like Warman
and Porisky(linked at Gorman’s website too), have turned out to be
proven liars.
Ex-lawyer (?) Gorman does the usual trick of playing to the detax
wannabe’s crushing need to prove how smart and insightful he is to
have cracked the supposed secret code of the law that allows him to
beat the taxman.
If you google Gorman and fish around his website you'll see that far
from being free and clear of the tax man, like so many detax gurus,
the CRA is on his case.
> andhttp://www.clubconspiracy.com/forum/872-captcanada/
>
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Sharx35
"Alan Baggett" <AlanB...@volcanomail.com> wrote in message
news:9c61c492-a28c-4281...@l38g2000vba.googlegroups.com...
I'd like to hear what the CRA has to say--I do not believe for a minute that
income tax is illegal in Canada OR the U.S..
Sharx35
"Abbot" <whoso...@emailaccount.com> wrote in message
news:431c57f3-b792-4b5d...@y13g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
Alan, I bought your Tax Collector's Bible some years ago and I have no fight
with you, none at all. However, I do believe that the CRA will eventually
nail Gorman (or his Estate) to the wall. I have no sympathy for "no tax
idiots". All too often they suck in the willing victims.
Alan Baggett
> "Abbot" <whosonfi...@emailaccount.com> wrote in message
>
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We're just cleaning out some of the oldest Tax Tales and thought this
might be an interesting week for this one.
Ever since
http://groups.google.com/group/can.taxes/browse_thread/thread/9006e1e6bb47f9bd/75743d24f414cd80?lnk=gst&q=koutroubis#75743d24f414cd80
was proved to be true in the most unfortunate way, both tips and
criticisms from CRA employees have completely dried up. And with the
Ombudsman, maybe the end of the CRA SOTW is just about here.
Abbot
> "Abbot" <whosonfi...@emailaccount.com> wrote in message
>
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Likewise I have no problem with Alan exposing lazy or improper CRA
practices, even if it is pay back for his allegedly disastrous stint
with the agency.
In fact more power to him on that count.
But when Alan gets in bed with scammers like Gorman and Porisky to, in
effect, serve up the gullible on a plate for the CRA, then I think
he’s crossed the line.
Alan Baggett
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Likewise I have no problem with Alan exposing lazy or improper CRA
> practices, even if it is pay back for his allegedly disastrous stint
> with the agency.
>
Please, tell us about this disastrous stint - we could all use a good
laugh.
Especially on this day of days.
Abbot
wrote:
Abbot) You tell me. Frankly, I don't care about your employment
history or the stories folks claiming to be your ex co-workers have
come here to tell.
My concern is that you tout detax scammers like Gorman and Porsiky.
Alan Baggett
>
> Abbot) You tell me. Frankly, I don't care about your employment
> history or the stories folks claiming to be your ex co-workers have
> come here to tell.
Why would you bring it up or mention it if you don't care?
Hmmmm....
Abbot
wrote:
Abbot) I understand completely, Alan. You want to talk about how your
job went at CRA. . .why I mentioned it. . .and so on. . . and so
on. . . so we won’t talk about your highly questionable support for
detaxers like Gorman and Porisky.
You know full well that your employment record is confidential and we
can palaver on and on about your stint at the CRA.
I do have one observation. One wonders if while working at CRA you
showed the same disregard for the taxpayer as you now show for the
poor folks who would be harmed by taking the advice of Gorman and
Porisky. Advice you seem to think is perfectly fine.
Alan Baggett
> On Apr 2, 8:19 am, Alan Baggett <canada.revenue.age...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > > Abbot) You tell me. Frankly, I don't care about your employment
> > > history or the stories folks claiming to be your ex co-workers have
> > > come here to tell.
>
> > Why would you bring it up or mention it if you don't care?
>
> > Hmmmm....
>
> Abbot) I understand completely, Alan. You want to talk about how your
> job went at CRA. . .why I mentioned it. . .and so on. . . and so
You want to talk about thats why you brought it up. And now you dance
around it, otherwise this unrelated topic would not have been
mentioned. On this front it went just fine people like your self have
to either muddy the waters or else provide an ulterior motive instead
of just KISS. Canadians have a right to know how any Department or
Agency supported with taxpayer funds works.
> on. . . so we won’t talk about your highly questionable support for
> detaxers like Gorman and Porisky.
>
> You know full well that your employment record is confidential and we
> can palaver on and on about your stint at the CRA.
>
> I do have one observation. One wonders if while working at CRA you
> showed the same disregard for the taxpayer as you now show for the
> poor folks who would be harmed by taking the advice of Gorman and
> Porisky. Advice you seem to think is perfectly fine.
If you can find any statement of support or attack for taxing or
detaxing please provide the appropriate link. We've just provided
information on CRA policy and procedure.
We'll wait for the links...
Abbot
wrote:
> On Apr 2, 8:14 am, Abbot <whosonfi...@emailaccount.com> wrote:
>
> > On Apr 2, 8:19 am, Alan Baggett <canada.revenue.age...@hotmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > > > Abbot) You tell me. Frankly, I don't care about your employment
> > > > history or the stories folks claiming to be your ex co-workers have
> > > > come here to tell.
>
> > > Why would you bring it up or mention it if you don't care?
>
> > > Hmmmm....
>
> > Abbot) I understand completely, Alan. You want to talk about how your
> > job went at CRA. . .why I mentioned it. . .and so on. . . and so
>
> You want to talk about thats why you brought it up. And now you dance
> around it, otherwise this unrelated topic would not have been
> mentioned. On this front it went just fine people like your self have
> to either muddy the waters or else provide an ulterior motive instead
> of just KISS. Canadians have a right to know how any Department or
> Agency supported with taxpayer funds works.
Abbot) Very well, Alan. We can talk briefly about your job at CRA, if
you insist. . .then we’ll need to move on.
Do you care to respond to the accusation that you were fired from the
CRA for poor job performance (http://groups.google.com/group/can.taxes/
msg/39f619d90fde54b5?hl=en)?
“alan would go AWOL when things weren't going his way. Alan walked out
on assignments in Mississauga and Ottawa. Just went home with no
warning. An immature child who went home crying when things didn't go
his way. Management kept taking him back and finally fired him when
he
went on ‘sick leave’...”
> > on. . . so we won’t talk about your highly questionable support for
> > detaxers like Gorman and Porisky.
>
> > You know full well that your employment record is confidential and we
> > can palaver on and on about your stint at the CRA.
>
> > I do have one observation. One wonders if while working at CRA you
> > showed the same disregard for the taxpayer as you now show for the
> > poor folks who would be harmed by taking the advice of Gorman and
> > Porisky.
Abbot) Well, Alan, while working at CRA did you show the same
disregard for the taxpayer that you now show for the poor folks who
would be harmed by taking the advice of Gorman and Porisky?
> > Advice you seem to think is perfectly fine.
> If you can find any statement of support or attack for taxing or
> detaxing please provide the appropriate link.
Abbot) So in your mind Gorman's advice is fine or not?
> We've just provided information on CRA policy and procedure.
Abbot) That's not true, Alan.You started this very thread with a fluff
piece that amounts to a free commercial for Gorman.
> We'll wait for the links...
Abbot) Hold on there, sonny. I’m not talking about you being a
detaxer or even using either of these two snake oil salesmen’s’ method
s. I’m not even talking about you endorsing their methods!
I am talking about you posting the fluff piece on Gorman that makes
him look like he knows what he is doing. I am talking about Porisky
hawking your “Tax Collector’s Bible” at his website.
Alan Baggett
> On Apr 2, 9:27 am, Alan Baggett <canada.revenue.age...@canada.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 2, 8:14 am, Abbot <whosonfi...@emailaccount.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Apr 2, 8:19 am, Alan Baggett <canada.revenue.age...@hotmail.com>
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > > Abbot) You tell me. Frankly, I don't care about your employment
> > > > > history or the stories folks claiming to be your ex co-workers have
> > > > > come here to tell.
>
> > > > Why would you bring it up or mention it if you don't care?
>
> > > > Hmmmm....
>
> > > Abbot) I understand completely, Alan. You want to talk about how your
> > > job went at CRA. . .why I mentioned it. . .and so on. . . and so
>
> > You want to talk about thats why you brought it up. And now you dance
> > around it, otherwise this unrelated topic would not have been
> > mentioned. On this front it went just fine people like your self have
> > to either muddy the waters or else provide an ulterior motive instead
> > of just KISS. Canadians have a right to know how any Department or
> > Agency supported with taxpayer funds works.
>
> Abbot) Very well, Alan. We can talk briefly about your job at CRA, if
> you insist. . .then we’ll need to move on.
>
> Do you care to respond to the accusation that you were fired from the
> CRA for poor job performance (http://groups.google.com/group/can.taxes/
> msg/39f619d90fde54b5?hl=en)?
Yes! Thank YOU!
Anyone with a copy of the Tax Collector's Bible may have found some of
the hidden documents - one of which is a resignation letter that was
sent via registered mail. This letter can be found hiding at the very
end of the glossary,
> “alan would go AWOL when things weren't going his way. Alan walked out
> on assignments in Mississauga and Ottawa. Just went home with no
> warning. An immature child who went home crying when things didn't go
> his way. Management kept taking him back and finally fired him when
> he
> went on ‘sick leave’...”
This is tough to prove because it is untrue BUT copies of all Alan
Baggett's Revenue CANADA time sheets and ALOSS reports are available
for YOUR personal viewing - please contact him to set up an
appointment - if you care about the facts and truth. Otherwise you'll
be too scared to show your head.
These reports show no sick leave at all. Just the odd day here and
there as to be expected. You'll also notice a huge absence of vacation
time - it was rarely used.
> > > on. . . so we won’t talk about your highly questionable support for
> > > detaxers like Gorman and Porisky.
>
> > > You know full well that your employment record is confidential and we
> > > can palaver on and on about your stint at the CRA.
>
> > > I do have one observation. One wonders if while working at CRA you
> > > showed the same disregard for the taxpayer as you now show for the
> > > poor folks who would be harmed by taking the advice of Gorman and
> > > Porisky.
>
> Abbot) Well, Alan, while working at CRA did you show the same
> disregard for the taxpayer that you now show for the poor folks who
> would be harmed by taking the advice of Gorman and Porisky?
>
> > > Advice you seem to think is perfectly fine.
> > If you can find any statement of support or attack for taxing or
> > detaxing please provide the appropriate link.
>
> Abbot) So in your mind Gorman's advice is fine or not?
>
> > We've just provided information on CRA policy and procedure.
>
> Abbot) That's not true, Alan.You started this very thread with a fluff
> piece that amounts to a free commercial for Gorman.
Yes it is true - you made it personal - bringing up false allegations
about employment and then further continue them here.
ALL PROOF IS AVAILABLE - JUST LET ME KNOW WHEN ITS A GOOD TIME FOR
YOU. Official indisputable CRA documents for YOUR viewing.
> > We'll wait for the links...
>
> Abbot) Hold on there, sonny. I’m not talking about you being a
> detaxer or even using either of these two snake oil salesmen’s’ method
> s. I’m not even talking about you endorsing their methods!
>
> I am talking about you posting the fluff piece on Gorman that makes
Depends on your take on the article.
> him look like he knows what he is doing. I am talking about Porisky
> hawking your “Tax Collector’s Bible” at his website.- Hide quoted text -
Abbot
> > > > > > history or the stories folks claiming to be your ex co-workers have
> > > > > > come here to tell.
>
> > > > > Why would you bring it up or mention it if you don't care?
>
> > > > > Hmmmm....
>
> > > > Abbot) I understand completely, Alan. You want to talk about how your
> > > > job went at CRA. . .why I mentioned it. . .and so on. . . and so
>
> > > You want to talk about thats why you brought it up. And now you dance
> > > around it, otherwise this unrelated topic would not have been
> > > mentioned. On this front it went just fine people like your self have
> > > to either muddy the waters or else provide an ulterior motive instead
> > > of just KISS. Canadians have a right to know how any Department or
> > > Agency supported with taxpayer funds works.
>
> > Abbot) Very well, Alan. We can talk briefly about your job at CRA, if
> > you insist. . .then we’ll need to move on.
>
> > Do you care to respond to the accusation that you were fired from the
> > CRA for poor job performance (http://groups.google.com/group/can.taxes/
> > msg/39f619d90fde54b5?hl=en)?
>
> Yes! Thank YOU!
>
> Anyone with a copy of the Tax Collector's Bible may have found some of
> the hidden documents - one of which is a resignation letter that was
> sent via registered mail. This letter can be found hiding at the very
> end of the glossary,
Abbot) So you resigned? Was that like "resign or be fired" or did you
just quit?
> > “alan would go AWOL when things weren't going his way. Alan walked out
> > on assignments in Mississauga and Ottawa. Just went home with no
> > warning. An immature child who went home crying when things didn't go
> > his way. Management kept taking him back and finally fired him when
> > he went on ‘sick leave’...”
Abbot) Is this accusation true, Allan?
> This is tough to prove because it is untrue BUT copies of all Alan
> Baggett's Revenue CANADA time sheets and ALOSS reports are available
> for YOUR personal viewing - please contact him to set up an
> appointment - if you care about the facts and truth. Otherwise you'll
> be too scared to show your head.
>
> These reports show no sick leave at all. Just the odd day here and
> there as to be expected.
Abbot) "[N]o sick leave at all", or "Just an odd day here and there"?
> You'll also notice a huge absence of vacation time - it was rarely used.
Abbot) Is the accusation claiming your job performance to be awful
true, Allan?
> > > > on. . . so we won’t talk about your highly questionable support for
> > > > detaxers like Gorman and Porisky.
>
> > > > You know full well that your employment record is confidential and we
> > > > can palaver on and on about your stint at the CRA.
>
> > > > I do have one observation. One wonders if while working at CRA you
> > > > showed the same disregard for the taxpayer as you now show for the
> > > > poor folks who would be harmed by taking the advice of Gorman and
> > > > Porisky.
>
> > Abbot) Well, Alan, while working at CRA did you show the same
> > disregard for the taxpayer that you now show for the poor folks who
> > would be harmed by taking the advice of Gorman and Porisky?
Abbot) I suspect we have the answer.
> > > > Advice you seem to think is perfectly fine.
> > > If you can find any statement of support or attack for taxing or
> > > detaxing please provide the appropriate link.
>
> > Abbot) So in your mind Gorman's advice is fine or not?
Abbot) So in your mind Gorman's advice is fine or not?
> > > We've just provided information on CRA policy and procedure.
>
> > Abbot) That's not true, Alan.You started this very thread with a fluff
> > piece that amounts to a free commercial for Gorman.
>
> Yes it is true -
Abbot) So, in your mind Gorman's advice is fine?
> you made it personal - bringing up false allegations about employment and then further continue them here.
Abbot) I made no allegations about your work at the CRA. I merely
referenced them. . .after you insisted we talk about your stint with
the CRA.
I want to talk about why you shill for Gorman and Porisky. You are the
one changing the subject and pretending to be the victim, not me.
> ALL PROOF IS AVAILABLE - JUST LET ME KNOW WHEN ITS A GOOD TIME FOR
> YOU. Official indisputable CRA documents for YOUR viewing.
Abbot) Lower your voice, sonny.
> > > We'll wait for the links...
>
> > Abbot) Hold on there, sonny. I’m not talking about you being a
> > detaxer or even using either of these two snake oil salesmen’s’ method
> > s. I’m not even talking about you endorsing their methods!
>
> > I am talking about you posting the fluff piece on Gorman that makes him look like he knows what he is doing. I am talking about Porisky
> > hawking your “Tax Collector’s Bible” at his website.
> Depends on your take on the article.
Abbot) As predicted you don't want to talk about how you shill for
Gorman, but instead want to palaver about your CRA experience (which I
don't care about). You just said you gave Gorman what amounts to a
week commerical. Now it depends on one's "take".
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Alan Baggett
Resigned as in tendering a formal resignation.
> > > “alan would go AWOL when things weren't going his way. Alan walked out
> > > on assignments in Mississauga and Ottawa. Just went home with no
> > > warning. An immature child who went home crying when things didn't go
> > > his way. Management kept taking him back and finally fired him when
> > > he went on ‘sick leave’...”
>
> Abbot) Is this accusation true, Allan?
LOL - how do you prove 'immature child', 'crying' etc. etc.
The 'fired' is false and this is provable through the resignation. The
'sick leave' is false and thjis is provable through time sheets and
ALOSS reports.
If you can advise on what constitutes proof for the first two to
points we're all ears over hear.
> > This is tough to prove because it is untrue BUT copies of all Alan
> > Baggett's Revenue CANADA time sheets and ALOSS reports are available
> > for YOUR personal viewing - please contact him to set up an
> > appointment - if you care about the facts and truth. Otherwise you'll
> > be too scared to show your head.
>
> > These reports show no sick leave at all. Just the odd day here and
> > there as to be expected.
>
> Abbot) "[N]o sick leave at all", or "Just an odd day here and there"?
Sick leave is an EXTENDED period of time. I don't know where you work
because you hide behind a pseudonym but if you work and have never had
a sick day in ten years you would be most extraordinary.
> > You'll also notice a huge absence of vacation time - it was rarely used.
>
> Abbot) Is the accusation claiming your job performance to be awful
> true, Allan?
Where is this accusation son?
Or is it just something else you're making up as you hide behind an
alias.
If you can show shilling (shilling means promotion in case you were
not aware) for any one again, please provide links to those proofs.
> > ALL PROOF IS AVAILABLE - JUST LET ME KNOW WHEN ITS A GOOD TIME FOR
> > YOU. Official indisputable CRA documents for YOUR viewing.
>
> Abbot) Lower your voice, sonny.
>
> > > > We'll wait for the links...
>
> > > Abbot) Hold on there, sonny. I’m not talking about you being a
> > > detaxer or even using either of these two snake oil salesmen’s’ method
> > > s. I’m not even talking about you endorsing their methods!
>
> > > I am talking about you posting the fluff piece on Gorman that makes him look like he knows what he is doing. I am talking about Porisky
> > > hawking your “Tax Collector’s Bible” at his website.
> > Depends on your take on the article.
>
> Abbot) As predicted you don't want to talk about how you shill for
> Gorman, but instead want to palaver about your CRA experience (which I
> don't care about). You just said you gave Gorman what amounts to a
> week commerical. Now it depends on one's "take".
>
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Of all the allegations you've made you've proved nothing. Except that
your a pro at posting slandereous and libelous comments without ever
providing a shred of proof.
As well you don't seem to be taking us up on the meeting to view the
documented proof first hand. It's a shame to see your little bubble
burst son.
Abbot
to be your ex-coworkers at CRA claimed that you became immature when
things didn’t go your way. It is curious that you are exhibiting
exactly that behavior here. But I don’t want to talk about your CRA
carrier, failed or not, so I’ll make it easy for you.
Do you support as safe, legal and effective the detax methods of John
Gorman and Russell Porisky?
If you say “no” then I ask. . .
Do you reject those methods as unsafe, illegal and ineffective?
Alan Baggett
> Abbot) Alan, I can’t help but note that the person or persons claiming
> to be your ex-coworkers at CRA claimed that you became immature when
> things didn’t go your way. It is curious that you are exhibiting
> exactly that behavior here. But I don’t want to talk about your CRA
> carrier, failed or not, so I’ll make it easy for you.
You brought up the topic and now that proof is readily available and
offered at your convenience you don't want to discuss it any further?
Very convenient.
And you bring up issues of maturity.
Again, the proof to prove these accusations and allegations false is
available for you to view firsthand and at your convenience. Now that
we have your ear please, lets set a meeting date to clear this up once
and for all.
You may think that providing irrefutable proof to refute scurrilous
allegations is 'immature'.
The real immaturity is in making allegatons and then running from the
facts that prove them to be false.
You are being asked to:
- provide proof that the personal allegations are true,
- to provide proof that support for or against taxing or detaxing has
been made
- to provide proof of shilling
You're long on accusations but batting below the Mendoza Line when it
comes to proving them. Talk about immature...
Abbot
wrote:
> On Apr 2, 1:20 pm, Abbot <whosonfi...@emailaccount.com> wrote:
>
> > Abbot) Alan, I can’t help but note that the person or persons claiming
> > to be your ex-coworkers at CRA claimed that you became immature when
> > things didn’t go your way. It is curious that you are exhibiting
> > exactly that behavior here. But I don’t want to talk about your CRA
> > carrier, failed or not, so I’ll make it easy for you.
>
> You brought up the topic and now that proof is readily available and
> offered at your convenience you don't want to discuss it any further?
Abbot) Alan, I see that as predicted you edited down the thrice asked
questions which are the subject at hand so as to palaver about your
CRA career. Talk about not wanting to talk about something!
Alan, I used to give the Bagget bashers little credit. But of late, me
thinks thou doest protest too much. I don’t know anyone with an even
passable job record who goes to as much trouble as you to prove that
he or she didn’t crash and burn in the workplace.
One little mention of your CRA career and you go off on a mutli-post
tantrum in which you parse the details of your employment file with
the fervor a guilty husband trying to explain away the lipstick on his
collar. One could assume that you wanted to talk about your CRA career
so badly because you feel you still have to clear your name!
I don’t care! If you did foul up at CRA then put on your big boy
pants, learn something from it and move on. If you didn’t screw up
then . . . put on your big boy pants, learn something from it and move
on.
Again, I ask you to drop it and return to the subject at hand....
Alan Baggett
about.
And the fact that they would try to clear their name, in your eyes,
means their guilty.
LOL - you are something else.
Tell you what, when we meet and you review the provided proofs we can
discuss taxing, detaxing and even epigenetics if you so desire.
Strange that someone who acts so altruistic in defending Canadians
from lies takes offense when some one tries to clear their name.
You take hypocrisy to new lows son.
Abbot
wrote:
Abbot) You could try answering my questions, Alan. If you told us you
didn't back Porisky and Gorman we'd know you weren't carrying the
water for them. I suspect you can't do that because you are too hooked
into the detax subculture. If true that puts you in a corner. Every
time a detaxer you are in bed with bites the dust you got some
'splainin' to do.
But you can't say you know they are full of sh*t (you are an ex-CRA
employee after all) because folks would stop buying your little
bible.
> WOW - you take offense that some one would object to be being lied
> about.
Abbot) Take it up with Herbnomore. He made the accusation. I just
asked you to "say it ain't so".. . .and you asked for it, not me,
sonny.
> And the fact that they would try to clear their name, in your eyes,means their guilty.
Abbot) I just said you "doth protest too much". I didn't ask you to
clear your name. That was your idea. I just asked you to "say it ain't
so". i didn't ask you to give any proof at all. I suspect you know
that if you try to say your CRA record was even passable your ex co-
workers will be all over you. . . and the discussion of CRA life will
turn off prospective bible buyers.
You got a problem, sonny.
> LOL - you are something else.
>
> Tell you what, when we meet and you review the provided proofs we can
> discuss taxing, detaxing and even epigenetics if you so desire.
Abbot) Hello, Allan.. . . I'd ask for your "proof". I just asked you
to "say it ain't so".
> Strange that someone who acts so altruistic in defending Canadians
> from lies takes offense when some one tries to clear their name.
>
> You take hypocrisy to new lows son.
Abbot) So clear your name, victimboy. That's, in effect, what I
allowed you to do several post ago.
Jimmy_For_Freedom
Let's face it Abbot, the real problem is not those who don't pay tax,
refuse to pay tax, pay tax, can't pay tax, pay too much tax or pay to
little tax. In fact, the tax system in any country is simply an
extension of either, (What ever you want to call it) the government or
the banking system. As you know, under the current world monetary
system, a taxation system is also necessary for the government to
function. Therefore, why pick on the anti tax, untax, detax or no-tax
groups? They're simply trying their best to no be part of a bigger
crime. I know you understand this but seem to have chosen to further
the banksters cause by endorsing their support mechanisms. Of course,
we also know you'll try to spin your way out of this as you do every
time you're called out. So have at it!
Abbot
wrote:
Abbot) Let's face it if you are one of the fools who use the methods
Gorman, Porisky and Warman peddleand you endorse, you have a problem.
> In fact, the tax system in any country is simply an extension of either, (What ever you want to call it) the government or
> the banking system. As you know, under the current world monetary system, a taxation system is also necessary for the government to function.
Abbot) So governments need revenue? The point is what? That I pay and
losers like you mooch?
> Therefore, why pick on the anti tax, untax, detax or no-tax groups?
Abbot) Because you losers ride while the rest of pay the freight.
Detaxers (you included) have told us it’s perfectly fine to cheat
hospitals, banks, merchants and even private citizens loaning money.
You aren’t the cure Jimmy. You are the disease!
> They're simply trying their best to no be part of a bigger crime.
Abbot) You detax boys think governing is crime because:
1. You can't get over the notion that society has rules and
expectations.
and;
2. You think enforcing those rules is a crime.
> I know you understand this but seem to have chosen to further
> the banksters cause by endorsing their support mechanisms.
Abbot) You don't even know what you think, let alone what I think. You
wanna know what I think of the banking system, why don’t you ask me?.
>Of course,we also know you'll try to spin your way out of this as you do every
> time you're called out. So have at it!-
Abbot) Call me out? Jimmy, you can’t even complete a thought! I
dismiss you for the dang fool you are!
Jimmy_For_Freedom
You made my point. Thank you. You are not facing the fact that you
support the criminal monetary system.
Abbot
>
> - Show quoted text -
Abbot) No that’s not my point, Jimmy. That’s what you wish it was.
Let’s face the facts. The rest of us move about in a free society,
build wealth and prosper while you detaxers piss away every
opportunity and every dollar that comes your way.
Rather than realize that you are your own problem, you losers blame
the banks, the Jews, the government, the so called New World
order . . .whatever. . .
Eldon drives his wife to suicide so he says it’s the doings of the
IRS, the Pope, the Queen or the Jewish cartel.
Allan has a problem at work, so it isn’t his problem to solve. It
becomes a lame decades old vendetta against the bosses that forgot
about him long ago .
You toil away at some sad existence so it my fault. Get a life, Jimmy.
Jimmy_For_Freedom
May not be your point Abbot. However, you did make my point, remember?
And I courteously said, "Thank you".
Abbot
>
> - Show quoted text -
Abbot) Jimmy, one wonders how you can function going about the world
presuming to know only that which feeds your lame conspiracy theories.
You just presumed a premise you never proved. You are so lame!
The truly amazing thing is that while you take cheap shots at a
society that you can’t fathom and you know won’t bother to regard you,
you seem to think that you can tell other people they think and not
get pole axed for it!
You are really one shitforbrains-Jimmy-fool-idiot!
Alan Baggett
you're just being a hyprocrit.
You say that you're standing up for Canadians so that they can know
the tax facts and you loudly protest against any who dare disagree
with you.
But when I speak of being maligned you say that "thou doest protest
too much" implying that if someone protests then it must be true.
So, by your logic, since you are protesting detax so much then you
must believe that they have their facts right on target - because
you've been protesting them for many years.
Oh, AGAIN, as you seem to be avoiding this topic, just waiting your
confirmation of our meeeting so that proofs can be reviewed and tax
views be discussed.
After all - you do want the truth - don't you son?
Abbot
wrote:
Abbot) Again, Allan, I don’t care about your CRA experience. What I am
waiting to hear is if you really support Gorman and Porisky. That’s
what this thread is all about.
You know that if you say you do then you look like an idiot to the
folks who, up untill now, have bought your feigned objectivity. If you
say you don’t you lose bible sales.
It really only took a few hours to work your arse in this corner. And
to think of all the years you have been nursing your CRA
thing. . .what a waste.
Alan Baggett
Now about that meeting...
Abbot
wrote:
> LOL - you're posts just keep getting funny son.
>
> Now about that meeting...
Abbot) This is very simple, Allan. The next time you come around here
shilling for some detax snake oil salesman we’ll cut to the chase and
I’ll just ask you if you support the fraud or are merely repeating it
to drum up sales for your little bible.
When that happens you can palaver about your little abbreviated career
at CRA, if you want.
In the meantime, if you have the documents you say prove you didn’t
get canned at the CRA then scan ‘em and post ‘em somewhere. I don’t
care. . .you, not me seem to be all hot to clear your name. Be my
guest.
If you can produce, I’ll even help track down Herbnomore and rub his
nose in it.
The ball is in your court, Allen
Jimmy_For_Freedom
wrote:
> LOL - you're posts just keep getting funny son.
>
> Now about that meeting...
You gotta be a little careful with this lose cannon. He likes to meet
people at a shooting range close to his home which is probably the
woods behind his hunting cabin somewhere in Kentucky.
Alan Baggett
you need to resort to sarcasm why you need to muddy the waters that
someone who is so smart (or at least pretends to that pretense) has to
muddy the waters with gossip.
Abbot, you know what a real abbot is? A position of respect and
authority.
But after reading your sad rants... at best you're the unfunny half of
an outdated comedy team.
Alan Baggett
wrote:
No.
This is the type of guy who is brave only because he can hide behind
an alias and sit at a computer keyboard where no can see him. Any
bravery he has comes from anonymity and would flee under the glare of
even the softest of sunlight.
Abbot
wrote:
Abbot) So this is supposed to goad me, Alan?
LOL
All I asked was for you to tell me if you back Gorman and Porisky. You
are the spinless one who won't answer.
Abbot
> >> > LOL - you're posts just keep getting funny son.
>
> >> > Now about that meeting...
>
> >> You gotta be a little careful with this lose cannon. He likes to
> >> meet people at a shooting range close to his home which is
> >> probably the woods behind his hunting cabin somewhere in
> >> Kentucky.
>
> > No.
>
> > This is the type of guy who is brave only because he can hide
> > behind an alias and sit at a computer keyboard where no can see
> > him. Any bravery he has comes from anonymity and would flee under
> > the glare of even the softest of sunlight.
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
Abbot) Alan has worked himself into a corner.
If he says he endorses the whacky theories put forth by Gorman and
Porisky then he loses his feigned objectivity and looks like an idiot
to the reasonably sensible folks who might buy his tp bible.
If he even suggests that Gorman and Porisky are peddling dangerously
successful methods then he’ll take a tumble in the detax cult and piss
off a raft of detax wannabes who in turn won’t buy his little bible.
Either way he’s screwed and he knows it. That’s why he wants to
pretend he’s the victim, gabber about some meeting he knows is never
going to happen and wonder why I post under a handle. If the guy was
as brave as he wants others to be he’d own up to the truth about where
he stands with Gorman and Porisky and let the tp bible sales fall
where they may.
PV
Now that's out of your system, why don't you answer Abbot's questions? They
are pretty straight forward.
--
PV
"Little men with little minds and little imaginations go through life
in little ruts, smugly resisting all changes which would jar their
little worlds. Zig Zigler
Alan Baggett
Jimmy_For_Freedom
"Kind of"?
Hmmm... sounds like you just like to jump on a band wagon when you get
that feeling of superiority. You know what they say about people who
try to pull that superiority crap don't you? They're simple trying to
mask their own inferiority complex.