My White privilege problem and Yours
Robert Peffers
Canada. However, the inequality in wealth has been sustained. Many
whites were able to pass along their wealth in the form of
inheritances and transformative assets (inherited wealth which lifts a
family beyond their own achievements) which continually give advantage
to White Canadians. Pre-existing disparities in wealth are exacerbated
by tax policies that reward investment over waged income, subsidize
mortgages, and subsidize private sector developers.
Thomas Shapiro argues that wealth is passed along from generation to
generation, giving whites a better "starting point" in life than other
races. According to Shapiro, many whites receive financial assistance
from their parents allowing them to live beyond their income. This, in
turn, enables them to buy houses and major assets which aid in the
accumulation of wealth. Since houses in white neighborhoods appreciate
faster, even Black Canadians who are able to overcome their "starting
point" are unlikely to accumulate wealth as fast as whites. Shapiro
asserts that this is a continual cycle which whites consistently
benefit from. These benefits also have effects on schooling and other
life opportunities.
In the USA, a 2002 Department of Justice survey found that, although
the likelihood of being stopped by police did not differ significantly
between white drivers and other races, black or Latino drivers were
three times more likely to be searched than white drivers. Young white
offenders are likely to receive lighter punishments than minorities in
America. Black youth arrested for drug possession for the first time
are incarcerated at a rate that is forty-eight times greater than the
rate for white youth, even when all other factors surrounding the
crime are identical.
Racialized employment networks are yet another facet of employment
which benefit whites at the expense
of blacks. Deirdre A. Royster conducted a study which compared black
and white males who graduated from the same school with the same
skills. She looked at their success in their school-work transition
and subsequent working experience. What she found was that the white
graduates were more often employed in skilled trades, earned more,
held higher status positions, received more promotions and experienced
shorter periods of unemployment. Since all factors of these graduates
education and skills were strikingly similar, the differences in
employment experiences could only be attributed to race. Royster
concluded that the primary cause of these racial differences was due
to social networking. The concept of “who you know” seemed just as
important to these graduates as “what you know.”
Since older white males predominantly control blue-collar trades, they
are more likely to offer varying forms of assistance to those in their
social network, other whites. Assistance can be anything from job
vacancy information, referrals, direct job recruitment, formal and
informal training, and vouching behavior and leniency in supervision.
This assistance available to whites is a form of privilege which
consistently puts black men at a disadvantage in the employment
sector, “these ideologies provide a contemporary deathblow to working-
class black men’s chances of establishing a foothold in the
traditional trades.”
Its noteworthy that the grassroots voting base of the Conservative
Party of Canada is that of white males
in non-unionized blue-collar trades!.
Beverly Daniel Tatum writes that most white people do not think to
describe themselves as "white" when listing descriptive terms about
themselves, whereas people of color usually use racial or ethnic
identity descriptors. Tatum suggests this is because the elements of
one’s identity that are congruent with the dominant culture are so
normalized and reflected back at one that one is apt to take such
traits for granted. This is not the case for identity aspects of those
who are defined as "other" by the dominant culture, whether it be on
the basis of race, gender, sexual orientation, religion, or other
microcultural aspects. The true reasons behind this occurrence are
unknown, but may also be due to many different unspoken psychological
effects on minorities and majorities alike, whether it be pride,
shame, or an environmental stimulation such as a rally.
Tatum writes that dominant microcultures (in this case, white people)
set the parameters in which "subordinate" microcultures operate.
Subordinate groups are often labeled as substandard in significant
ways: e.g., blacks have historically been characterized as less
intelligent than whites. Subordinates are also defined as being
innately incapable of being able to perform the preferred roles in
society.
The use of skin whitening treatments by people of color has been
linked to the benefits of white privilege. According to several
theorists, the relationship between white privilege and skin whitening
is explained by colorism and colonial mentality.
In the essay, White privilege: Unpacking the invisible knapsack, Peggy
McIntosh sought to enumerate the social, political and cultural
advantages accorded to whites in American society. McIntosh says there
are parallels between white privilege, male privilege and heterosexual
privilege.
As a white male holds both a university degree and a professional job
with status; I speak with the
assumption that people not only will listen, but will take me
seriously. I speak with the assumption that my motives will not be
challenged; I can rely on the perception of me as a neutral authority,
someone whose observations can be trusted.
Every time I open my mouth, I draw on, and in some ways reinforce, my
privilege, which is in large part tied to race. Right now, I want to
use that privilege to acknowledge the many non-white people who took
the time to tell me about the enduring realities of racism in Canada.
And, I want to talk to the white people who I think misread my
postings and misunderstand what's at stake.
While it is certainly true that white people are sometimes the victims
of racism or racism occurs between different people of color, these
incidents fail in comparison to the number of people of colour who
are
victimized by institutionalized white racism; it's not hard to see
where the real problem lays. While it is important to oppose racism
against white people, there is most certainly nothing inherently wrong
or racist
in pointing out the facts of institutional and societal white racism
and white privilege. It is also important to expose and oppose
unearned white male privilege which continues to victimize women,
visible minorities, aboriginals, and people with disabilities.
Racism against white people and racism between different people of
color should always be condemned
and denounced. Furthermore, racism between different white ethnic
groups such as anti-Francophone
bigotry and anti-Anglophone bigotry should always be condemned and
opposed. As a White Anglo Saxon Protestant male myself, I am very much
aware of the level of anti-Francophone bigotry which exists in
Anglophone Canada and particularly amongst fellow White Anglo Saxon
Protestant males.
However, I am still proud of my ethnicity, culture, and heritage and I
make no apologizes for it.
snowman
~massive snip of lies and bullshit~
My white privilege problem is bigoted, hateful, racist fucks like you.
FOAD you racist prick.
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"It's the customer's privilege to burst their own f*cking yolk."
-Gordon Ramsey
John Fleming
in the scriptorium snowman <x@x.x> wrote:
> $Robert Peffers wrote:
> $
> $~massive snip of lies and bullshit~
> $
> $My white privilege problem is bigoted, hateful, racist fucks like you.
> $FOAD you racist prick.
Well said snowman.
--
John Fleming
Edmonton, Canada
Old MacDonald had a farm E-I-E-I-O
And on that farm he had a genome E-I-E-I-O
With a SNP SNP here and a SNP SNP there,
Here a SNP, there a SNP, everywhere a SNP SNP
Old MacDonald had a farm E-I-E-I-O
Pat Bay
"Robert Peffers" <auldbobp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Racism against white people and racism between different people of
color should always be condemned
and denounced.
"white people and racism between different people of colour.."
Seems you're being discriminatory there yourself.
Furthermore, racism between different white ethnic
groups such as anti-Francophone
bigotry and anti-Anglophone bigotry should always be condemned and
opposed.
What about just bigotry in general?
As a White Anglo Saxon Protestant male myself, I am very much
aware of the level of anti-Francophone bigotry which exists in
Anglophone Canada and particularly amongst fellow White Anglo Saxon
Protestant males.
What about White Anglo-Saxon Catholics?
However, I am still proud of my ethnicity, culture, and heritage and I
make no apologizes for it.
We think you should. You seem to be obliquely bothered that in some
instances when God made people, he burnt the toast..
Sharx35
"Pat Bay" <pat...@islandz.net> wrote in message
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Why should ANYONE be proud of their race, colour or ethnicity? They sure as
Hell didn't do anything to EARN it, other than being born.
Canuck57
> Robert Peffers wrote:
>
> ~massive snip of lies and bullshit~
>
> My white privilege problem is bigoted, hateful, racist fucks like you.
> FOAD you racist prick.
Well put. He can't even come up with new material, his mind is so fried.
John Fleming
in the scriptorium Canuck57 <Canu...@nospam.com> wrote:
> $snowman wrote:
> $> Robert Peffers wrote:
> $>
> $> ~massive snip of lies and bullshit~
> $>
> $> My white privilege problem is bigoted, hateful, racist fucks like you.
> $> FOAD you racist prick.
> $
> $Well put. He can't even come up with new material, his mind is so fried.
I guess all those mushrooms he was doing back in the 60s
have a long lasting effect.
Ditto for the brownies.
Canuck57
> "Robert Peffers" <auldbobp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:a966097c-4265-4f25...@1g2000vbm.googlegroups.com...
> Racism against white people and racism between different people of
> color should always be condemned
> and denounced.
Depends how you define racism. Like everything else, it isn't just
black and white. Have some pink, brown, yellow, mixed.... Pun intended.
We don't have to agree, just to be civil and fair about it. There is at
least as much racism against whites and the whites against others. In
fact more so because of the historical success and position of whites,
at the top you are always a target -- especially for people using race
as a crutch for their own deficiencies.
> "white people and racism between different people of colour.."
>
> Seems you're being discriminatory there yourself.
I would agree. Peefers seems to have a real big fixation on this.
> Furthermore, racism between different white ethnic
> groups such as anti-Francophone
> bigotry and anti-Anglophone bigotry should always be condemned and
> opposed.
>
> What about just bigotry in general?
Condembed, yes. Silenced no. Take the Canadian Human Rights Tribunal.
They are really the gag arm of government. An attempt to repress
freedom of speach. And while I agree with nothing Peffers spews, I do
agree with his right to express his worthless 2 cents. As I do you and
myself.
Hampering freedom of speach, might as well put us all in pens like sheep
or cows. There is a huge difference from freedom of expression and
opinion, and those of threats, violence.
> As a White Anglo Saxon Protestant male myself, I am very much
> aware of the level of anti-Francophone bigotry which exists in
> Anglophone Canada and particularly amongst fellow White Anglo Saxon
> Protestant males.
Having being an Anglo Saxton Prodestant male having lived in Quebec and
outside of Quebec, I can assure you both sides do it. And I suspect
being french in western Canada is easier to take than being english in PQ.
> What about White Anglo-Saxon Catholics?
They are just like anyone else.
> However, I am still proud of my ethnicity, culture, and heritage and I
> make no apologizes for it.
Agreed. None threatening differences is what makes this world interesting.
> We think you should. You seem to be obliquely bothered that in some
> instances when God made people, he burnt the toast..
While we are all racist to some degree, Peffers is off the wall nuts
about it.
Canuck57
Funny, would not the world be a peaceful place if every human alive 100%
adopted that! I might also add gender to the list.
euno...@yahoo.com.au
wrote:
SNIP
I'll answer all of these claims.
> In the USA, a 2002 Department of Justice survey found that, although
> the likelihood of being stopped by police did not differ significantly
> between white drivers and other races, black or Latino drivers were
> three times more likely to be searched than white drivers.
Thats because black and mestizo drivers are six to three times more
likely to break the law.
The police see the illegal behaviour and stop the driver: simple.
The Home office in the UK has similar data.
> Young white
> offenders are likely to receive lighter punishments than minorities in
> America. Black youth arrested for drug possession for the first time
> are incarcerated at a rate that is forty-eight times greater than the
> rate for white youth, even when all other factors surrounding the
> crime are identical.
That statistic simply isn't correct and is in fact a fabrication.
First it isn't mathematically possible as it would require every
single White person to have been busted for drugs about twice before
they are 20 and let of.
It also doesn't take into account that prior cautions and warnings.
>
> Racialized employment networks are yet another facet of employment
> which benefit whites at the expense
> of blacks. Deirdre A. Royster conducted a study which compared black
> and white males who graduated from the same school with the same
> skills.
Did they graduate with the same skills or the same grades? There is a
difference.
> She looked at their success in their school-work transition
> and subsequent working experience. What she found was that the white
> graduates were more often employed in skilled trades, earned more,
> held higher status positions, received more promotions and experienced
> shorter periods of unemployment. Since all factors of these graduates
> education and skills were strikingly similar,
> the differences in
> employment experiences could only be attributed to race.
Or skill grades.
> Royster
> concluded that the primary cause of these racial differences was due
> to social networking. The concept of “who you know” seemed just as
> important to these graduates as “what you know.”
Apparently Blacks can't social network, apparently Whites don't ever
network with blacks?
Note that blacks also pay about 10% more than Whites for the same
car. This has nothing to do with the racism of the car dealer and
everything to do with the purchasing strategy of the White duede and
the need for Black dudes to show that they have purchasing hip hop
'bling'.
> Its noteworthy that the grassroots voting base of the Conservative
> Party of Canada is that of white males
> in non-unionized blue-collar trades!.
How many white guyes getting administrative jobs in the diversitycrat
industry?
> According to several
> theorists, the relationship between white privilege and skin whitening
> is explained by colorism and colonial mentality.
The theorists are idiots.
Light skin used to imply high social status: such women did not need
to work in the sun.
A tan once implied field work. Now a tan is a high social status
thing to have as it implies that one can afford overseas holidays.
Apparently perms and dreadlocks amongst Whites were racist just as
hair straightening in Africa and America is racist.
What about Brazilan style pubic hair removal? They must be racist as
well?
>
> In the essay, White privilege: Unpacking the invisible knapsack, Peggy
> McIntosh sought to enumerate the social, political and cultural
> advantages accorded to whites in American society. McIntosh says there
> are parallels between white privilege, male privilege and heterosexual
> privilege.
>
> As a white male holds both a university degree and a professional job
> with status;
What kind of job do you do?
I bet you'll lie.
> While it is certainly true that white people are sometimes the victims
> of racism or racism occurs between different people of color, these
> incidents fail in comparison to the number of people of colour who
> are
You can download the 'color of crime here'
http://www.colorofcrime.com/
or here:
This study shows blacks 6-7 times more likely to commit and offense
and hispanics 3-4 times more likely. These are easily accessible DOJ
figures. Note hispanics crimes are counted as white when they are
perpetraitors but in a seperate groups when victims. This inflates
white crime but it can be removed by analysis.
When compared with FBI victims of violent crime data (which is
maintained to detect racial bias crimes) it is found that the victims
(irrespective of race) report the race of the perpetraitor in
proportion to the DOJ figures. This shows that there is no police
bias.
> victimized by institutionalized white racism; it's not hard to see
> where the real problem lays. While it is important to oppose racism
> against white people, there is most certainly nothing inherently wrong
> or racist
> in pointing out the facts of institutional and societal white racism
> and white privilege. It is also important to expose and oppose
> unearned white male privilege which continues to victimize women,
> visible minorities, aboriginals, and people with disabilities.
That's a lot of victimology.
Loaf of Bread
> On Nov 15, 10:26 am, Robert Peffers <auldbobpeffer...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > As a white male holds both a university degree and a professional job
> > with status;
>
> What kind of job do you do?
>
> I bet you'll lie.
I'll answer this one for him.
He's made several posts over the last several years claiming to be in
his late 70s. In another post, he claims to be living high off the
hog on three pensions that allow him to travel.
John Fleming
desk in the scriptorium Loaf of Bread <john...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> $On Nov 16, 5:02�am, eunome...@yahoo.com.au wrote:
> $> On Nov 15, 10:26�am, Robert Peffers <auldbobpeffer...@gmail.com>
> $> wrote:
> $
> $> > As a white male holds both a university degree and a professional job
> $> > with status;
> $>
> $> What kind of job do you do?
> $>
> $> I bet you'll lie.
> $
> $I'll answer this one for him.
> $
> $He's made several posts over the last several years claiming to be in
> $his late 70s. In another post, he claims to be living high off the
> $hog on three pensions that allow him to travel.
And isn't his degree in something like religious studies?
Pat Bay
"John Fleming" <nos...@sprynet.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 07:39:36 -0800 (PST), while chained to a
> desk in the scriptorium Loaf of Bread <john...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>> $On Nov 16, 5:02 am, eunome...@yahoo.com.au wrote:
>> $> On Nov 15, 10:26 am, Robert Peffers <auldbobpeffer...@gmail.com>
>> $> wrote:
>> $
>> $> > As a white male holds both a university degree and a professional
>> job
>> $> > with status;
>> $>
>> $> What kind of job do you do?
>> $>
>> $> I bet you'll lie.
>> $
>> $I'll answer this one for him.
>> $
>> $He's made several posts over the last several years claiming to be in
>> $his late 70s. In another post, he claims to be living high off the
>> $hog on three pensions that allow him to travel.
>
> And isn't his degree in something like religious studies?
Probably he got his schooling in religion from The Movementarians.
John Fleming
the scriptorium "Pat Bay" <pat...@islandz.net> wrote:
> $"John Fleming" <nos...@sprynet.com> wrote in message
> $news:pnv3g5dmdqdpesk64...@4ax.com...
> $> On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 07:39:36 -0800 (PST), while chained to a
> $> desk in the scriptorium Loaf of Bread <john...@hotmail.com>
> $> wrote:
> $>> $On Nov 16, 5:02 am, eunome...@yahoo.com.au wrote:
> $>> $> On Nov 15, 10:26 am, Robert Peffers <auldbobpeffer...@gmail.com>
> $>> $> wrote:
> $>> $
> $>> $> > As a white male holds both a university degree and a professional
> $>> $> > with status;
> $>> $>
> $>> $> What kind of job do you do?
> $>> $>
> $>> $> I bet you'll lie.
> $>> $
> $>> $I'll answer this one for him.
> $>> $
> $>> $He's made several posts over the last several years claiming to be in
> $>> $hog on three pensions that allow him to travel.
> $>
> $> And isn't his degree in something like religious studies?
> $
> $Probably he got his schooling in religion from The Movementarians.
I'm not familiar with them.
Are they a group that gets a religious experience out of
bowel movements?