Mr. Dion, please step down
TD
and didn't seize a single one of them. If you can't do the job of a leader
of the opposition, I don't know why you are running to be prime minister",
Mr. Layton, the NDP leader.
penny
What's Jack carping about! He brought Harper into power in the first
place.
Jack gave us this miserable excuse for a PM in the first place. He did
a Ralph Nader on us . Shame on him !
Penny
Gen. Gus Cann
"penny" <gor...@sentex.net > wrote in message
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Like I told you before I got my first CCF membership card as a 17 year old
in 1951.
I have supported that movement with time and money ever since, exept for a
brief period in the 70's when I was one of a large group of 'Wafflers'
turfed by the Lewis - Broadbent right.
But now it is so obvious that Jack is 'every inch a Tory' ... as was Alexa.
He takes progressive poses on questions that he can't affect, like
Afghanstan, but on situations that mean something. as was causing the
election that gave us Harper he ALWAYS take a tory position.
Witness Global Warming ...... whenever Harper is pinned down as being an
ignoramus of science, or a evil man who doesn't care if there is no planet
left for his grandchildern , he runs interference for Harper by attacking
the Liberals.
Layton is putrid ..... He poses progressive to collect money from well
meaning people, but supports the Torys with his HoC votes when they can
make a difference.
The Doctor
And Mr. Layton the oppportuninst he is supposed the so-called Accountability
Act.
What a backstabber.
--
Member - Liberal International
This is doc...@nl2k.ab.ca Ici doc...@nl2k.ab.ca
God, Queen and country! Beware Anti-Christ rising! Canada vote anything but
Conservative on 14 OCt 2008, join us at http://www.harpocrit.ca .
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Canuck57
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I know too the NDiPpers did too. But no spine in those two snipes. All
they did was attack, attack and do it minelessly all night.
Jack remines my of the guy on late night ads selling PC software, PC
Professor, ya, think that was the one. Is a scam artist too...
But Layton and Dion do proves socialists eath their young.
Canuck57
"G'kar" <gk...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> were
> seriously unprepared for an election due to lack of money in their war
> chest
> for one thing. They're barely prepared as it is!
>
> Jackass? Who knows what goes one between his ears?
But it is also important to not that personal greed for power is more
important than their convictions of what is best for the country.
So how could you vote for a Liberal?
The Doctor
Dion is no socialist.
Canuck57
"The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
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> In article <gc5ofr$56j$1...@dns3.cae.ca>, TD <NoS...@please.com> wrote:
>>"The Liberal leader had 43 chances to vote down Stephen Harper's
>>government
>>and didn't seize a single one of them. If you can't do the job of a leader
>>of the opposition, I don't know why you are running to be prime minister",
>>Mr. Layton, the NDP leader.
>>
>>
>
> And Mr. Layton the oppportuninst he is supposed the so-called
> Accountability
> Act.
>
> What a backstabber.
If ANY of them were interested in accountability since confederation we
would have representative RECALL like a good many in the US have. The
people who designed the parliament system meant to give the perception but
not the reality of a citizens part of government. Note how I said
perception.
In the case of Canada, you hand pick the top leaders. Then, one will get
elected, you win. People think it was a vote but the cards are stacked. If
another party starts up, if it isn't in the pocket for big government and
low employment wages it is attacked and belittled into submission.
That is why ALL out viable options are statist.
Recall means they can't ignore you the day after the election or you can
call them back!
The real neat part, you almost never see a representative go too far astray
from the interests of his constituents. But it does occasionally happen,
and so does recall.
But the idiots of confederation were drunken hand picked Joe boys.
Canuck57
> In article <vzsFk.3782$rd1...@newsfe14.iad>,
> Canuck57 <dave-n...@nospam.net> wrote:
>>
>>"TD" <NoS...@please.com> wrote in message news:gc5ofr$56j$1...@dns3.cae.ca...
>>
>>> "The Liberal leader had 43 chances to vote down Stephen Harper's
>>> government and didn't seize a single one of them. If you can't do the
>>> job
>>> of a leader of the opposition, I don't know why you are running to be
>>> prime minister", Mr. Layton, the NDP leader.
>>
>>I know too the NDiPpers did too. But no spine in those two snipes. All
>>they did was attack, attack and do it minelessly all night.
>>
>>Jack remines my of the guy on late night ads selling PC software, PC
>>Professor, ya, think that was the one. Is a scam artist too...
>>
>>But Layton and Dion do proves socialists eath their young.
>>
>>
>
> Dion is no socialist.
But he is a statist!! Almost the same. Big huge fat overbearing expensive
government.
I didn't hear him ONCE EVER talk of downsizing government. And his
additional $70B in promises would make BIGGER government. No way around it.
And no one alive with a memory and a rational bone in their whole body would
believe the liberals will contain taxes. For that mater, add NDP and
Greens, the way they were drewling about SPEND SPEND SPEND!!! Shop until we
drop at tax payers expense.
Now I am not sure I would trust Harper either. With government revenues at
record levels, they ARE collecting more. But at least he wasn't rushing out
to screw us faster.
But we only have statist parties to choose from.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statism
penny
It befuddles me to see that anyone alive could accuse the liberals of
wanting power for power's sake than what is best for the country ,
especially after what they did when Mulroney left Canada on the verge
of bankruptcy.
With no money in the coffers and the IMF and Moody's Rating Guys at
his back Martin was forced to take upopular steps in cutting spending
across the board. Within a few years he had turned a near bankrupt
government into a government with a budget surplus and while he
remained in powerr under Chretien and as PM he kept that surplus for
nine consecutive years.
During that time he put al the money he had taken out of the Health
care system and many other systems back and more.
Under Chretien and Martin we had the best economy in the G8, the
lowest unemployment rate for 30 years, and Martin paid out $100billion
in progressive income tax cuts across the board with most of those
recipients being the middle class and the poor.
Martin also shored up our Canadian Pension System and secured it for
75 years into the future. What a guy !
So get your facts straight, Canuck, and do a bit of serious research.
Penn
penny
wrote:
>
I couldn't agree with you more, Gus. I'm more left than the liberals
but I see more honesty and integrity in that party than I ever have
done with Jack Layton. Broadbent and Raye are an entirely different
story.
>
I was totally incensed when I saw what Jack did to Buzz Hargrove when
all Buzz wanted to do was to keep Harper out of power and dumb Jack
threw him out of the party and stuck Harper into government where
he'll possibly get a majority and ruin us all.
And most of the NDP MP's seem to have the Layton attitude.,
unfortunately,
Penny
Justin Case
Martin humiliated himself in the House when he couldn't answer the
question of whether or not he knew Claude Boulay of Gruop Everest and
Sponsorship fame. The public knew then that Martin was being
hypocritical about Sponsorship. And when he "paid off" Dingwall with
$300,000 of tax-payer's money, it was confirmed beyond any reasonable
person's doubt. So give credit where credit is due, Penny. The public
brought Harper into power to punish the Liberals--Chretien, Martin,
Dion et al. And instead of showing even a modicum of remorse, as Jim
Travers says in today's Star, Liberal arrogance rose up once again.
Corruption dealt a body blow to the Liberal Party, but it was
arrogance that killed it.
The Doctor
And we still live in an 1867ish society.
The Doctor
Liberals want to see a balance in State and Private. REcall Laurance
Decore's your private enterprise alternative?
NDPs are Socialist and they admit it.
The Doctor
That's Rae. Also Layton opportunistically favoured the Accountability Act
as a method to destroy the Liberals in Canada.
Canuck57
Actually, I don't believe that. After the last stint of Liberal rule we had
per capita amongst the highest governance cost of any nation in the world.
The federal government spends over $50B a year on itself. Liberals as in
Canadian Liberals are statism liberals, quasi socialist big government types
and never changed it since Turdeau.
Lawrence Decore, past. I can't remember what he was about other than no one
wanted a Liberal in this province. Very few alive today that remember the
day when a Liberal was a premier of Alberta. And never for NDP. Also why
we haven't got debt, they are not setting the pace here and we benefit
greatly from having locked the Liberals out for over 80 years.
Liberalism is less freedom, more government and less wealth.
Federally, Dion missed the boat. Will be lucky if he is opposition.
Are the federal Liberal party out of debt yet?.
penny
<antoni...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>On Oct 3, 6:39 pm, penny <gora...@sentex.net > wrote:
>> On Fri, 3 Oct 2008 14:32:26 -0400, "TD" <NoS...@please.com> wrote:
>> >"The Liberal leader had 43 chances to vote down Stephen Harper's government
>> >and didn't seize a single one of them. If you can't do the job of a leader
>> >of the opposition, I don't know why you are running to be prime minister",
>> >Mr. Layton, the NDP leader.
>>
>> What's Jack carping about! He brought Harper into power in the first
>> place.
>>
>> Jack gave us this miserable excuse for a PM in the first place. He did
>> a Ralph Nader on us . Shame on him !
>>
>> Penny
>
>Martin humiliated himself in the House when he couldn't answer the
>question of whether or not he knew Claude Boulay of Gruop Everest and
>Sponsorship fame.
Martin had a lunch with the man and said he hardly knew him.
Don't forget that Martin called for this Inquiry and had nothing to
hide.
Harper knew what he was doing when he made a promise set in stone
about how he would never, never, ever break his promise on Income
Trusts. So many people were ruined because they believed that
absolute promise of Harper's,
>The public knew then that Martin was being
>hypocritical about Sponsorship. And when he "paid off" Dingwall with
>$300,000 of tax-payer's money, it was confirmed beyond any reasonable
>person's doubt. So give credit where credit is due, Penny.
What credit! Martin was too busy pulling our country back from near
bankruptcy to be involved in the tiny, wee, little sponsorhip plan.
It was Chretien's baby and he made no bones about it.
Harper knew what he ws doing when he ripped off the taxpayers of
Canada by $5 billion , $500,000 of which found it way into George
Bush's slush fund. And this was in spite of the fact that " Canada
had won virtually every legal action taken out against the U.S. under
NAFTA and the WTO, the Bush government has stonewalled and disregarded
every single ruling. "
http://www.counterpunch.org/lee09022006.html
>The public
>brought Harper into power to punish the Liberals--Chretien, Martin,
>Dion et al. And instead of showing even a modicum of remorse, as Jim
>Travers says in today's Star, Liberal arrogance rose up once again.
>Corruption dealt a body blow to the Liberal Party, but it was
>arrogance that killed it.
It was Harper who brought Harper into power with his constant , daily
demonization of Martin throughout everyday of the Inquiry. We heard
Martin called Corrupt! Corrupt! Corrupt! Corrupt! every single day
of the Gomery Inquiry.
A lie often becomes the truth when it's repeated enough.
Unfortunately, those who didn't know of Martin 's sterling work in
bringing this country from the brink of bankruptcy to one with the
best economy in the G8 , were ready to believe the lie.
No party is corrupt that has seven consecutive budget surpluses ,
which paid down more than $60 billion of our debt, had the lowest
unemployment in 30 years, secured the Canada Pension Plan for 75
years, and gave $100 billion tax cuts across the board with most of it
going to the middle class and the poor.
How dumb can anyone get ! The competent, brilliant Martin brought
down over a storm in a teacup by a fundamentalist like Harper who
will take us back to the 19th century both socially and economically
Nuts !
Penny
Paul
> "The Liberal leader had 43 chances to vote down Stephen Harper's government
> and didn't seize a single one of them. If you can't do the job of a leader
> of the opposition, I don't know why you are running to be prime minister",
> Mr. Layton, the NDP leader.
>
>
Gen. Gus Cann
"Cut Off By Google" <think...@dlcwest.com> wrote in message
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> x-no-archive: yes
>
> On Oct 3, 4:35 pm, "Gen. Gus Cann" <c...@ashpile.dot> wrote:
>> "penny" <gora...@sentex.net > wrote in message
>>
>> news:p74de45lvqs084kk0...@4ax.com...
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Fri, 3 Oct 2008 14:32:26 -0400, "TD" <NoS...@please.com> wrote:
>>
>> >>"The Liberal leader had 43 chances to vote down Stephen Harper's
>> >>government
>> >>and didn't seize a single one of them. If you can't do the job of a
>> >>leader
>> >>of the opposition, I don't know why you are running to be prime
>> >>minister",
>> >>Mr. Layton, the NDP leader.
>
>> > What's Jack carping about! He brought Harper into power in the first
>> > place.
>
>> > Jack gave us this miserable excuse for a PM in the first place. He did
>> > a Ralph Nader on us . Shame on him !
>
>> > Penny
>
>> Like I told you before I got my first CCF membership card as a 17 year
>> >old in 1951.
>> I have supported that movement with time and money ever since, exept >for
>> a brief period in the 70's when I was one of a large group of
>> 'Wafflers'
>>turfed by the Lewis - Broadbent right.
>
>> But now it is so obvious that Jack is 'every inch a Tory' ...
>
>
>>as was Alexa. He takes progressive poses on questions that he can't
>> >affect, like Afghanstan, but on situations that mean something. as was
>> >causing the election that gave us Harper he ALWAYS take a tory >position.
>
> progressive than Dion's?
==================================================================================
You have deep reading comprehension difficulties.
You should see to it, I'm sure you can be helped.
What in the fuck did you think I meant by the phrase 'progressive POSES'?
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>> Witness Global Warming ......
>
> I haven't. We still haven't had a killer frost this year, which is
> remarkable, but we had a cold winter and cool summer. The tomatoes we
> are getting in October are what we have in the past had in August.
>
>> whenever Harper is pinned down as being an ignoramus of science,
>
> Not buying into GW hysteria doesn't make him an ignoramus of science.
>
>>or a evil man who doesn't care if there is no planet left for his
>> >grandchildern
>
> He should be worrying that there will be no fossil fuels left for his
> grandchildren when the ice starts advancing again.
>
>>he runs interference for Harper by attacking
>> the Liberals.
>> Layton is putrid ..... He poses progressive to collect money from well
>> meaning people, but supports the Torys with his HoC votes when they >can
>> make a difference.
>
> What drugs are you using?
>
penny
<think...@dlcwest.com> wrote:
>x-no-archive: yes
>
>On Oct 3, 3:39 pm, penny <gora...@sentex.net > wrote:
>> On Fri, 3 Oct 2008 14:32:26 -0400, "TD" <NoS...@please.com> wrote:
>> >"The Liberal leader had 43 chances to vote down Stephen Harper's government
>> >and didn't seize a single one of them. If you can't do the job of a leader
>> >of the opposition, I don't know why you are running to be prime minister",
>> >Mr. Layton, the NDP leader.
>>
>> What's Jack carping about! He brought Harper into power in the first
>> place.
>
>Paul was every bit as much to blame, if not more so, than Jack.
How ?
>
>> Jack gave us this miserable excuse for a PM in the first place. He did
>> a Ralph Nader on us . Shame on him !
>
>At least Jack isn't dumping candidates because they have the
>intelligence and courage to question the official 911 conspiracy
>theory.
But he's dumped a few for other reasons recently.
Party leaders are within their rights to dump any of their candidates.
No reason is needed. That's how the election law works.
Unlike you I believe the conspiracy theory is junk Maybe Dion felt
he didn't want people who believe in "junk" in his party. But
nowadays, so many people do so how can one avoid it.
If party leaders had to give a reason for dumping people for what they
say I would have to agree with you on this one. . Of course it's
possible Dion knows something we don't know.
>Dion - a liberal who doesn't believe in freedom of speech or
>conscience.
Harper, the fundamentalist conservative who muzzles everything in
sight.
Jack who gave us a fundamentalist who muzzles everything in sight.
ABC anyone but Conservatives.
Penny
The Doctor
You are out of date. Most Chretien backers voted Bob Rae last time.
Paul
>
> What credit! Martin was too busy pulling our country back from near
> bankruptcy
Sure And all he did was download $27B in health care costs to the
provinces to make his bottom line look better.
to be involved in the tiny, wee, little sponsorhip plan.
> It was Chretien's baby and he made no bones about it.
That's right. All the scandalous corruption was planned by Chretien and
carried out by the liberal party and the French dominated civil service
to enrich Quebec at the expense of the ROC.
***************************************
Go into Quebec today and tell them that they have to make English the an
official language in Quebec.
Fucking hypocrites. They'd bash your head in if you ever tried. But
you do not seem to mind that that's the very thing that Trudeau did to
my country.
Assholes
*************************************
Canuck57
"Cut Off By Google" <think...@dlcwest.com> wrote in message
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> x-no-archive: yes
>
> On Oct 3, 8:22 pm, penny <gora...@sentex.net > wrote:
>> On Fri, 3 Oct 2008 18:26:17 -0600, "Canuck57"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >"G'kar" <g...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> >news:MPG.23505fc7...@news.individual.net...
> do what is best for Quebec and Ontario - perhaps for them that is the
> country.
Quite true.
> NEP, killing the crow, having the Canadian dollar pegged to support
> central Canadian manufacturing the impact on western farmers be damed,
> the joke that is Canada's "Equalization" formula, branch line
> abandonment increasing fossil fuel consumption and farmer
> transportation costs and driving more farmers off the land, hardly
> spending any gas tax revenues on western Canadian highways, ad
> nauseum.
There are a noisy bunch of socialists that would rather see the whole
country suffer with a low value loonie than to fix their own problems. And
it really doesn't help Ontario manufacutiring as if the dollar goes down,
raw materials go up. Either way they get bit by their own inefficiencies.
But it is easier for politicians to blame the dollar value than to address
the real issue. Most union types and socialist types are just too stupid to
realize they are being duped into submission, poor economy for all.
The last thing Canada's elite want is a good economy as wages rise. If
unemployment is low, employers have to compete for employees wages go up.
If employers can pick and chose because of an over abundance of labour, they
can lower wages and screw the workers.
We underestimate the injustice that the expensive socialistic policies
bestow on us all.
> It is ridiculous that our province, bigger than Germany or France, has
> the same population in had in the 1920's. Thanks Liebrals.
Who wants high taxes? I moved from Ontario in 1980. Glad I did. Figure
the tax savings alone and forget about good jobs, made it worth it.
>> especially after what they did when Mulroney left Canada on the verge
>> of bankruptcy.
>
>> With no money in the coffers and the IMF and Moody's Rating Guys at
>> his back Martin was forced to take upopular steps in cutting spending
>> across the board. Within a few years he had turned a near bankrupt
>> government into a government with a budget surplus and while he
>> remained in powerr under Chretien and as PM he kept that surplus for
>> nine consecutive years.
>
> Cretin was a horrible PM. All he cared about was Quebec.
Yep. I even moved abroad as I couldn't handle the thought of paying taxes
to a Cretien government. But saddly, I learned how really tax repressed we
really are.
>> During that time he put al the money he had taken out of the Health
>> care system and many other systems back and more.
>
>> Under Chretien and Martin we had the best economy in the G8, the
>> lowest unemployment rate for 30 years,
>
> 30,000 Saskatchewan farms bit the bucket.
Yes, the west subsidising the east. And BC lumber, Cretien made the US
politicians so ticked off at his big mouth they slapped the BC and Ontario
wood industry.
I just prayed a lot that they would not put Cretien on Fox...I was so
embarased we had a trailer park frog talking.
>>and Martin paid out $100billion in progressive income tax cuts across the
>> >board with most of those recipients being the middle class and the poor.
>
> ROFLMAO.
Ya, Penny must have been smoking crack with that statement. You know for
sure she never worked in the last 20 years. Taxes have never gone down
under the Liberals, not sure they have with cons ether. Oh, they played
with numbers, but at the end of the year the taxpayer always got screwed.
Often it comes in the form like BC carbon tax. Give them a $100, and take
$300 more elsewhere.
>> Martin also shored up our Canadian Pension System and secured it for
>> 75 years into the future. What a guy !
>
>> So get your facts straight, Canuck, and do a bit of serious research.
>
> Do likewise.
I don't think Penny reads much good material. Low self esteem insecure
type. Probably afraid the social net will fail her.
Canuck57
> x-no-archive: yes
>
> On Oct 3, 4:35 pm, "Gen. Gus Cann" <c...@ashpile.dot> wrote:
>> "penny" <gora...@sentex.net > wrote in message
>>
>> news:p74de45lvqs084kk0...@4ax.com...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >>"The Liberal leader had 43 chances to vote down Stephen Harper's
>> >>government
>> >>and didn't seize a single one of them. If you can't do the job of a
>> >>leader
>> >>of the opposition, I don't know why you are running to be prime
>> >>minister",
>> >>Mr. Layton, the NDP leader.
>
>> > What's Jack carping about! He brought Harper into power in the first
>> > place.
>
>> > Jack gave us this miserable excuse for a PM in the first place. He did
>> > a Ralph Nader on us . Shame on him !
>
>> > Penny
>
>> >old in 1951.
>> I have supported that movement with time and money ever since, exept >for
>> a brief period in the 70's when I was one of a large group of
>> 'Wafflers'
>>turfed by the Lewis - Broadbent right.
>
>> But now it is so obvious that Jack is 'every inch a Tory' ...
>
> well his dad was.
>
>>as was Alexa. He takes progressive poses on questions that he can't
>> >affect, like Afghanstan, but on situations that mean something. as was
>> >causing the election that gave us Harper he ALWAYS take a tory >position.
>
> What is wrong with his position on Afghanistan? It is a lot more
> progressive than Dion's?
>
>
> I haven't. We still haven't had a killer frost this year, which is
> remarkable, but we had a cold winter and cool summer. The tomatoes we
> are getting in October are what we have in the past had in August.
>
>> whenever Harper is pinned down as being an ignoramus of science,
>
> Not buying into GW hysteria doesn't make him an ignoramus of science.
>
>>or a evil man who doesn't care if there is no planet left for his
>> >grandchildern
>
> He should be worrying that there will be no fossil fuels left for his
> grandchildren when the ice starts advancing again.
>
>>he runs interference for Harper by attacking
>> the Liberals.
>> Layton is putrid ..... He poses progressive to collect money from well
>> meaning people, but supports the Torys with his HoC votes when they >can
>> make a difference.
>
> What drugs are you using?
I am sure we all want to know what drugs Penny is using, kill off too many
brain cells. Something best avoided.
Canuck57
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That is why Alberta should separate. If we did Ottawa will have to find a
big cash cow to keep the Quebecers happy. It would in fact fall part real
quick.
Then if a real Canadian leader wanted to make this country whole again they
would have to renegotiate confederation as equals. I would give Quebec
about 3-4 years on it's own before their own people would rebel asking to be
back into Confederation. Unemployment would likely hit 50% in that
province, but pain makes people think.
And at $12-16B leaving Alberta each year for the east, there would not be
much pain for your average Albertan. The danger would be that we get used
to a $11,000/year tax holiday and nice highways.
Canuck57
> If party leaders had to give a reason for dumping people for what they
> say I would have to agree with you on this one. . Of course it's
> possible Dion knows something we don't know.
Not likely. Dion just smells money and will say or do anything to get into
power.
Canuck57
> x-no-archive: yes
>
>> >"The Liberal leader had 43 chances to vote down Stephen Harper's
>> >government
>> >and didn't seize a single one of them. If you can't do the job of a
>> >leader
>> >of the opposition, I don't know why you are running to be prime
>> >minister",
>> >Mr. Layton, the NDP leader.
>
>> What's Jack carping about! He brought Harper into power in the first
>> place.
>
> and Trudeau much more so... those guys have destroyed forever, the
> Liebral brand in the west.
Quite true. Taft in Alberta. Wipeout!!!! Ya, we partied over that one.
Watching the Liberals and NDP go down in flames, priceless.
If Liberals ever want power in Alberta they have a couple of choices.
1) Change your name and drop the word Liberal, it has a stench with it most
in the west can't take any more. Don't even say the word or use it to
describe yourselves. It is akin to saying you are a dumbshit.
2) Wait until all who grew up and worked during NEP die and keep you mouths
shut in the meantime so the word dies of "the old days". The mere mention
of NEP II in Alberta gets attention real fast....
3) Wait until hell freezes over and pigs fly in the same day.
Think, it is only one more decade and Alberta can celebrate no elected
Liberal Government for 100 years! Never an NDP government! No rats and no
debt!! All of which give us a lower tax rate.
MI Wakefield
"Canuck57" <dave-n...@nospam.net> wrote in message
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Penny has admitted that she's left of the Liberals. The Liberals have moved
so far left that there's precious little room on the left between them and
lunacy.
Canuck57
Yep, Dion was hand picked by the aristocrats and cronies:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St%C3%A9phane_Dion#Early_political_life
I would not doubt Chretien gets enough dirt on all politicians to keep them
in line from his Liberal appointed civil servants.
Hopefully this election will bankrupt the Liberal Party of Canada. NDP can
pickup their votes.
Canuck57
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LOL.
The Doctor
Canuck57 <dave-n...@nospam.net> wrote:
>
>"Paul" <paulc...@sprint.ca> wrote in message
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>> penny wrote:
>>>
>>> What credit! Martin was too busy pulling our country back from near
>>> bankruptcy
>>
>> Sure And all he did was download $27B in health care costs to the
>> provinces to make his bottom line look better.
>>
>>
>>
>> to be involved in the tiny, wee, little sponsorhip plan.
>>
>>> It was Chretien's baby and he made no bones about it.
>>
>> That's right. All the scandalous corruption was planned by Chretien and
>> carried out by the liberal party and the French dominated civil service to
>> enrich Quebec at the expense of the ROC.
>>
>> ***************************************
>> Go into Quebec today and tell them that they have to make English the an
>> official language in Quebec.
>>
>> you do not seem to mind that that's the very thing that Trudeau did to my
>> country.
>>
>>
>
>That is why Alberta should separate. If we did Ottawa will have to find a
>big cash cow to keep the Quebecers happy. It would in fact fall part real
>quick.
>
>Then if a real Canadian leader wanted to make this country whole again they
>would have to renegotiate confederation as equals. I would give Quebec
>about 3-4 years on it's own before their own people would rebel asking to be
>back into Confederation. Unemployment would likely hit 50% in that
>province, but pain makes people think.
>
>And at $12-16B leaving Alberta each year for the east, there would not be
>much pain for your average Albertan. The danger would be that we get used
>to a $11,000/year tax holiday and nice highways.
>
>
>
Would you run for a Western Bloc or the Alberta Independence PArty?
Canuck57
Which is more conservative and more viable?
But I might tend to Alberta Independence. We can change the name if BC, SK
or MB wants to join in.
But in so long the party has zero aspirations of going east of MB/ON border.
Canuck57
"Cut Off By Google" <think...@dlcwest.com> wrote in message
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>Trying to govern like he had a majority... just like Harpy ended up
>doing.
Harpo knew the Liberal Party of Canada was in a deficit situation, like
their leadership.
I would guess Harpo does play poker. He knew when to bluff.
penny
When you dont understand the issues attack the opposition.
That's what Harper does. You're a Harperite and you don't know it
Canuck !
Penny
penny
>penny wrote:
>>
>> What credit! Martin was too busy pulling our country back from near
>> bankruptcy
>
>Sure And all he did was download $27B in health care costs to the
>provinces to make his bottom line look better.
Revisionist History. Go back and rewrite it.
>to be involved in the tiny, wee, little sponsorhip plan.
>
>> It was Chretien's baby and he made no bones about it.
>
>That's right. All the scandalous corruption was planned by Chretien and
>carried out by the liberal party and the French dominated civil service
>to enrich Quebec at the expense of the ROC.
You people just cannot get away from the Sponsorhip scheme because
there is such a paucity of liberal scandals belonging to Paul Martin
and the Liberals in his government that you can get your teeth into.
You forget that it was Martin who asked for the Inquiry. You forget
that he and all liberal MP's were found to be blameless. You forgot
that Mulroney's Chief of Staff partnered with Gomery in gathering his
selection of evidence from millions of pages .
The liberal scandals don't compare with the scandals of Harper after
only 2.5 years in government.
Put that in your pipe and smoke it deep and hard.
>
>***************************************
>Go into Quebec today and tell them that they have to make English the an
>official language in Quebec.
>
>Fucking hypocrites. They'd bash your head in if you ever tried. But
>you do not seem to mind that that's the very thing that Trudeau did to
>my country.
>
>Assholes
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Goodness me !1
Penny
penny
Why do you continue to get Dion and Harper mixed up. Harper's the
power hungry one. Dion's the one with the PLAN for the economy in
case you had forgotten. Get it right !
Penny
Justin Case
> You forget that it was Martin who asked for the Inquiry. You forget
> that he and all liberal MP's were found to be blameless.
Martin crafted the terms of reference for the Gomery Inquiry to
exclude Polling, so as not to implicate himself.
Criminal investigations and civil proceedings are ongoing. Gagliano
lost in the Federal Court. Chretien and Pelletier are still tied up in
that process. If you review Dion's testimony at Gomery, it's obvious
that Chretien's cabinet thought nothing of mixing public and party
business, as if it was all the same thing. Every member of that
cabinet has to carry some blame for the unethical conduct of the
Liberal Party. There will be no closure on AdScam until Liberal
politicians are found guilty of conspiracy.