Thank you very much for raising these interesting points about Lok Kem Sokha's party. In reading through the reasons you mentioned below, I can't help but wondering what should the new HRP do to get an entry into the Cambodian political scene? Some had suggested and supported (myself included) a union of HRP with other parties (SRP?) as one possible solution. However, based on what I read recently, while it seems that some HRP party members may think so, it appears that Mr. Kem Sokha does not favor this idea very much (to be confirmed). Although in the past, Lok Kem Sokha said that this decision will be made by the HRP congress, it seems to me that this decision is already being made up as we speak.
Therefore, let me ask you this, if I may and if you don't mind, if you have the possibility of telling Lok Kem Sokha on what to do for the upcoming 2008 election, what would you tell him?
What concerns me most, is not just the fact that Lok Kem Sokha may not make much inroads in the 2008 election, but that he could be perceived as the one who helps maintain the status quo of the CPP regime. That perception would be disastrous not only for Lok Kem Sokha himself, but it could bring a lot of negative viewpoints on human rights group in Cambodia, and it will simply reinforce what Hun Sen said all along: that human rights groups and civil society in Cambodia are involved in politics. I am very saddened by the fact that CCHR and Voice of Democracy lost all their fundings, even though I know full well that this is not entirely because of Lok Kem Sokha's departure, but it keeps me wondering.
If I have an opportunity to tell Kem Sokha, I would suggest that he can either join the SRP or taking sometimes to work out a grand coalition for political campaign beyond 2008. This on condition that Kem Sokha wants to re-enter politics.
Kem Sokha had done a lot of things but each thing he did has a short history. People seem having difficulty in identifying his ideology belief.
Thank you very much for raising these interesting points about Lok Kem Sokha's party. In reading through the reasons you mentioned below, I can't help but wondering what should the new HRP do to get an entry into the Cambodian political scene? Some had suggested and supported (myself included) a union of HRP with other parties (SRP?) as one possible solution. However, based on what I read recently, while it seems that some HRP party members may think so, it appears that Mr. Kem Sokha does not favor this idea very much (to be confirmed). Although in the past, Lok Kem Sokha said that this decision will be made by the HRP congress, it seems to me that this decision is already being made up as we speak.
Therefore, let me ask you this, if I may and if you don't mind, if you have the possibility of telling Lok Kem Sokha on what to do for the upcoming 2008 election, what would you tell him?
What concerns me most, is not just the fact that Lok Kem Sokha may not make much inroads in the 2008 election, but that he could be perceived as the one who helps maintain the status quo of the CPP regime. That perception would be disastrous not only for Lok Kem Sokha himself, but it could bring a lot of negative viewpoints on human rights group in Cambodia, and it will simply reinforce what Hun Sen said all along: that human rights groups and civil society in Cambodia are involved in politics. I am very saddened by the fact that CCHR and Voice of Democracy lost all their fundings, even though I know full well that this is not entirely because of Lok Kem Sokha's departure, but it keeps me wondering.
Let me cut in , if you don't mind to say that James is right to say that Lok Kem Sokha does not have the team, the network and the finance to run for 2008 election but he have make his mind and will not take any advice to do otherway.He will try his bid anyway and we will be surprise to see that he will get some help from the some source to run.Let me explain: Lok Sam RaingSy has the hope to win 2008 election if only no other liberal parties make their bid and the CPP can do that math too. With the wickened Funcipec and NRP, the CPP may see the usefullness to finance HRP in 2008 to divide the vote for the liberal parties and then you are right Lok Preuk , Lok Kem Sokha will play the game set up by the CPP like other parties to keep the statuquo.
Komar kk
On 6/24/07, James Sok <entry_me...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> *Dear MP:* > ** > *If I have an opportunity to tell Kem Sokha, I would suggest that he > can either join the SRP or taking sometimes to work out a grand coalition > for political campaign beyond 2008. This on condition that Kem Sokha > wants to re-enter politics.* > ** > *Kem Sokha had done a lot of things but each thing he did has a short > history. People seem having difficulty in identifying his ideology belief. > * > ** > *Sincerely,* > ** > *James* > ** > *====* > ** > **
> Thank you very much for raising these interesting points about Lok Kem > Sokha's party. In reading through the reasons you mentioned below, I can't > help but wondering what should the new HRP do to get an entry into the > Cambodian political scene? Some had suggested and supported (myself > included) a union of HRP with other parties (SRP?) as one possible solution. > However, based on what I read recently, while it seems that some HRP party > members may think so, it appears that Mr. Kem Sokha does not favor this idea > very much (to be confirmed). Although in the past, Lok Kem Sokha said that > this decision will be made by the HRP congress, it seems to me that this > decision is already being made up as we speak.
> Therefore, let me ask you this, if I may and if you don't mind, if you > have the possibility of telling Lok Kem Sokha on what to do for the upcoming > 2008 election, what would you tell him?
> What concerns me most, is not just the fact that Lok Kem Sokha may not > make much inroads in the 2008 election, but that he could be perceived as > the one who helps maintain the status quo of the CPP regime. That perception > would be disastrous not only for Lok Kem Sokha himself, but it could bring a > lot of negative viewpoints on human rights group in Cambodia, and it will > simply reinforce what Hun Sen said all along: that human rights groups and > civil society in Cambodia are involved in politics. I am very saddened by > the fact that CCHR and Voice of Democracy lost all their fundings, even > though I know full well that this is not entirely because of Lok Kem Sokha's > departure, but it keeps me wondering.
> *Dear sisters and brothers:* > ** > *Kem Sokha and supporters won't win 2008 election in Cambodia because the > following reasons:* > ** > *a) Not enough time to prepare for election campaign,* > ** > *b) The group does not have clear political vision that attract voters to > vote for it,* > ** > *c) The group does not have prepared grassroots network,* > ** > *d) The group does not have organized key activists in the fields,* > ** > *f) The group does not have enough funding.* > ** > *Kem Sokha and supporters are dreaming. They won't make it. * > ** > *James* > ** > *====* > ------------------------------ > You snooze, you lose. Get messages ASAP with AutoCheck<http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=47959/*http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com...> > in the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta.
If I am not wrong, I think I heard Rannaridh said, he wouldn't go back to the Funcincpec folds, he 'd rather rot in southern France, and let the CPP and SRP fight each other out ?
On HRP, I agree with James. This party has no political vision except to sell human rights issues to the people. Well, a political party needs more than that. Thta's why I said recently I doubt if Kem would get even one seat.
Afetr all., it was Hun Sen that phoned Kem after his realese from Prey Sar urging him to open a politcal party. The CPP pays $5000 to form a party.
On 6/25/07, komar koun <kounko...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Let me cut in , if you don't mind to say that James is right to say > that Lok Kem Sokha > does not have the team, the network and the finance to run for 2008 > election but he have > make his mind and will not take any advice to do otherway.He will try > his bid anyway and > we will be surprise to see that he will get some help from the some > source to run.Let me > explain: Lok Sam RaingSy has the hope to win 2008 election if only no > other liberal parties > make their bid and the CPP can do that math too. With the wickened > Funcipec and NRP, > the CPP may see the usefullness to finance HRP in 2008 to divide the > vote for the liberal > parties and then you are right Lok Preuk , Lok Kem Sokha will play the > game set up by > the CPP like other parties to keep the statuquo.
> Komar kk
> On 6/24/07, James Sok <entry_me...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > *Dear MP:* > > ** > > *If I have an opportunity to tell Kem Sokha, I would suggest that he > > can either join the SRP or taking sometimes to work out a grand coalition > > for political campaign beyond 2008. This on condition that Kem Sokha > > wants to re-enter politics. * > > ** > > *Kem Sokha had done a lot of things but each thing he did has a short > > history. People seem having difficulty in identifying his ideology belief. > > * > > ** > > *Sincerely,* > > ** > > *James* > > ** > > *====* > > ** > > **
> > Thank you very much for raising these interesting points about Lok Kem > > Sokha's party. In reading through the reasons you mentioned below, I can't > > help but wondering what should the new HRP do to get an entry into the > > Cambodian political scene? Some had suggested and supported (myself > > included) a union of HRP with other parties (SRP?) as one possible solution. > > However, based on what I read recently, while it seems that some HRP party > > members may think so, it appears that Mr. Kem Sokha does not favor this idea > > very much (to be confirmed). Although in the past, Lok Kem Sokha said that > > this decision will be made by the HRP congress, it seems to me that this > > decision is already being made up as we speak.
> > Therefore, let me ask you this, if I may and if you don't mind, if you > > have the possibility of telling Lok Kem Sokha on what to do for the upcoming > > 2008 election, what would you tell him?
> > What concerns me most, is not just the fact that Lok Kem Sokha may not > > make much inroads in the 2008 election, but that he could be perceived as > > the one who helps maintain the status quo of the CPP regime. That perception > > would be disastrous not only for Lok Kem Sokha himself, but it could bring a > > lot of negative viewpoints on human rights group in Cambodia, and it will > > simply reinforce what Hun Sen said all along: that human rights groups and > > civil society in Cambodia are involved in politics. I am very saddened by > > the fact that CCHR and Voice of Democracy lost all their fundings, even > > though I know full well that this is not entirely because of Lok Kem Sokha's > > departure, but it keeps me wondering.
> > *Dear sisters and brothers:* > > ** > > *Kem Sokha and supporters won't win 2008 election in Cambodia because > > the following reasons:* > > ** > > *a) Not enough time to prepare for election campaign,* > > ** > > *b) The group does not have clear political vision that attract voters > > to vote for it,* > > ** > > *c) The group does not have prepared grassroots network,* > > ** > > *d) The group does not have organized key activists in the fields,* > > ** > > *f) The group does not have enough funding.* > > ** > > *Kem Sokha and supporters are dreaming. They won't make it. * > > ** > > *James* > > ** > > *====* > > ------------------------------ > > You snooze, you lose. Get messages ASAP with AutoCheck > > <http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=47959/*http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com...> > > in the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta.
Everybody knows full well that not only Kem Sokha will not win the 2008 elections, no other party as well will win except the CPP and Hun Sen will be the PM again. I'm very sure about it. Kem Sokha's party might not win any seat at all. I doubt he will win any seat all. The existence and the participation of Kem Sokha's party, the Norodom Ranariddh Party, and to some extend the Funcinpec in the election will only divide/take way the votes from the Sam Rainsy Party and in turn help the CPP to win comfortably.
I have said all along that the only way to have any chance of an election victory at all the opposition forces must form an alliance and only go to the election with only one party name on the ballot paper. To go to the poll with many parties on the ballot paper would only split the opposition votes. They are competing for the same votes. And to form an alliance they must start now. The tree leaders, Rainsy, Ranariddh and Sokha, must meet face to face to work out a workable alliance that is lasting, even after the election. If the alliance is not worked out in details the alliance will be broken up like in the past again.
The suggestion that Kem Sokha Kem should join the SRP is a remote possibility. Sokha and Sam Rainsy are two strong willed people and these two have ego and personality clashes that prevent them from working together effectively in the same party. So an alliance is the best formula for them to have a workable relationship.
Ranariddh has that royal appeal to the rural population and can still attract considerable support if he is allowed equal opportunity to campaign. He can work with Rainsy because he is seen or perceived to be a weak leader who will follow anyone's lead, as we have seen in the past during his political relationship with Hun Sen. But the problem with Ranariddh, as we have seen many times in the past, is that he might be snatched from Rainsy by Hun Sen again after the election.
So, to answer James' question I would say this: Kem Sokha has no chance, not the slightest, of winning the 2003 election at all. Not even Rainsy or Ranariddh. The election winner will be the CPP. Kem Sokha might not win a seat at all. The election results have been pre- determined already. Even these three form an alliance and go to the poll with only one party name on the ballot paper it is not a sure guarantee that they will win but the alliance increases the chance of winning. This is my opinion.
Sam
On Jun 25, 6:02 am, James Sok <entry_me...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> If I have an opportunity to tell Kem Sokha, I would suggest that he can either join the SRP or taking sometimes to work out a grand coalition for political campaign beyond 2008. This on condition that Kem Sokha wants to re-enter politics.
> Kem Sokha had done a lot of things but each thing he did has a short history. People seem having difficulty in identifying his ideology belief.
> Thank you very much for raising these interesting points about Lok Kem Sokha's party. In reading through the reasons you mentioned below, I can't help but wondering what should the new HRP do to get an entry into the Cambodian political scene? Some had suggested and supported (myself included) a union of HRP with other parties (SRP?) as one possible solution. However, based on what I read recently, while it seems that some HRP party members may think so, it appears that Mr. Kem Sokha does not favor this idea very much (to be confirmed). Although in the past, Lok Kem Sokha said that this decision will be made by the HRP congress, it seems to me that this decision is already being made up as we speak.
> Therefore, let me ask you this, if I may and if you don't mind, if you have the possibility of telling Lok Kem Sokha on what to do for the upcoming 2008 election, what would you tell him?
> What concerns me most, is not just the fact that Lok Kem Sokha may not make much inroads in the 2008 election, but that he could be perceived as the one who helps maintain the status quo of the CPP regime. That perception would be disastrous not only for Lok Kem Sokha himself, but it could bring a lot of negative viewpoints on human rights group in Cambodia, and it will simply reinforce what Hun Sen said all along: that human rights groups and civil society in Cambodia are involved in politics. I am very saddened by the fact that CCHR and Voice of Democracy lost all their fundings, even though I know full well that this is not entirely because of Lok Kem Sokha's departure, but it keeps me wondering.
I didn't hear Ranaridhh said to that effect but if he did he is kidding himself. Now I heard that he is trying to unite or to reconcile Funcinpec and the NRP so he could secure a royal pardon in order to return on time for the 2008 election. I wonder if this reconciliation would mean his return to Funcinpec because I'm sure that Funcinpec, especially Nhiek Bunchhay, will not agree to go under the NRP's umbrella. But the most important thing is that Hun Sen will never agree to a royal pardon for Ranariddh unless Ranariddh agrees to return to Funcinpec and makes a pledge to support Hun Sen's candidacy for the 2008 PM position.
Sam
On Jun 25, 8:45 am, "Mekong River " <phoum.da...@gmail.com> wrote:
> If I am not wrong, I think I heard Rannaridh said, he wouldn't go back to > the Funcincpec folds, he 'd rather rot in southern France, and let the CPP > and SRP fight each other out ?
> On HRP, I agree with James. This party has no political vision except to > sell human rights issues to the people. Well, a political party needs more > than that. Thta's why I said recently I doubt if Kem would get even one > seat.
> Afetr all., it was Hun Sen that phoned Kem after his realese from Prey Sar > urging him to open a politcal party. The CPP pays $5000 to form a party.
> On 6/25/07, komar koun <kounko...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Dears Lok Sok and Lok Preuk
> > Let me cut in , if you don't mind to say that James is right to say > > that Lok Kem Sokha > > does not have the team, the network and the finance to run for 2008 > > election but he have > > make his mind and will not take any advice to do otherway.He will try > > his bid anyway and > > we will be surprise to see that he will get some help from the some > > source to run.Let me > > explain: Lok Sam RaingSy has the hope to win 2008 election if only no > > other liberal parties > > make their bid and the CPP can do that math too. With the wickened > > Funcipec and NRP, > > the CPP may see the usefullness to finance HRP in 2008 to divide the > > vote for the liberal > > parties and then you are right Lok Preuk , Lok Kem Sokha will play the > > game set up by > > the CPP like other parties to keep the statuquo.
> > Komar kk
> > On 6/24/07, James Sok <entry_me...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > *Dear MP:* > > > ** > > > *If I have an opportunity to tell Kem Sokha, I would suggest that he > > > can either join the SRP or taking sometimes to work out a grand coalition > > > for political campaign beyond 2008. This on condition that Kem Sokha > > > wants to re-enter politics. * > > > ** > > > *Kem Sokha had done a lot of things but each thing he did has a short > > > history. People seem having difficulty in identifying his ideology belief. > > > * > > > ** > > > *Sincerely,* > > > ** > > > *James* > > > ** > > > *====* > > > ** > > > **
> > > Thank you very much for raising these interesting points about Lok Kem > > > Sokha's party. In reading through the reasons you mentioned below, I can't > > > help but wondering what should the new HRP do to get an entry into the > > > Cambodian political scene? Some had suggested and supported (myself > > > included) a union of HRP with other parties (SRP?) as one possible solution. > > > However, based on what I read recently, while it seems that some HRP party > > > members may think so, it appears that Mr. Kem Sokha does not favor this idea > > > very much (to be confirmed). Although in the past, Lok Kem Sokha said that > > > this decision will be made by the HRP congress, it seems to me that this > > > decision is already being made up as we speak.
> > > Therefore, let me ask you this, if I may and if you don't mind, if you > > > have the possibility of telling Lok Kem Sokha on what to do for the upcoming > > > 2008 election, what would you tell him?
> > > What concerns me most, is not just the fact that Lok Kem Sokha may not > > > make much inroads in the 2008 election, but that he could be perceived as > > > the one who helps maintain the status quo of the CPP regime. That perception > > > would be disastrous not only for Lok Kem Sokha himself, but it could bring a > > > lot of negative viewpoints on human rights group in Cambodia, and it will > > > simply reinforce what Hun Sen said all along: that human rights groups and > > > civil society in Cambodia are involved in politics. I am very saddened by > > > the fact that CCHR and Voice of Democracy lost all their fundings, even > > > though I know full well that this is not entirely because of Lok Kem Sokha's > > > departure, but it keeps me wondering.
> > > *Dear sisters and brothers:* > > > ** > > > *Kem Sokha and supporters won't win 2008 election in Cambodia because > > > the following reasons:* > > > ** > > > *a) Not enough time to prepare for election campaign,* > > > ** > > > *b) The group does not have clear political vision that attract voters > > > to vote for it,* > > > ** > > > *c) The group does not have prepared grassroots network,* > > > ** > > > *d) The group does not have organized key activists in the fields,* > > > ** > > > *f) The group does not have enough funding.* > > > ** > > > *Kem Sokha and supporters are dreaming. They won't make it. * > > > ** > > > *James* > > > ** > > > *====* > > > ------------------------------ > > > You snooze, you lose. Get messages ASAP with AutoCheck > > > <http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=47959/*http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com...> > > > in the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta.
I'm second with Lauk Sam's view. You're 3 Amigos have to work together....by showing your Democrat's strenghts to inspire Khmer- People to trust you again......
1) N.Ranarridh should thing of Cambodia & its People 's suffering. Your family had done enough tragedy to Khmer Nation. Stop your greed and work it out as an Decent Khmer .( Pls,do not stealing Khmer's Wealth anymore ) I think you have enough money for your security for 10 lives.
2) I'm sorry to say that Lauk Kem Sokha is just another new Prop for Hun Xen's background of its fake Democracy.Drop your Ego & your illution dream to win election by your own team.
3) You're the best of the 3 Amigos.You & your wife, Lauk Srey Samura, are good couple of Cambodia....the more you're listening to people the more you gain :" Puthik " that leads you both to success and enlights your Political life. You have to believe yourself ; " Stand Up" is your words that you had told me & Khmer-People.
> Everybody knows full well that not only Kem Sokha will not win the > 2008 elections, no other party as well will win except the CPP and Hun > Sen will be the PM again. I'm very sure about it. Kem Sokha's party > might not win any seat at all. I doubt he will win any seat all. The > existence and the participation of Kem Sokha's party, the Norodom > Ranariddh Party, and to some extend the Funcinpec in the election will > only divide/take way the votes from the Sam Rainsy Party and in turn > help the CPP to win comfortably.
> I have said all along that the only way to have any chance of an > election victory at all the opposition forces must form an alliance > and only go to the election with only one party name on the ballot > paper. To go to the poll with many parties on the ballot paper would > only split the opposition votes. They are competing for the same > votes. And to form an alliance they must start now. The tree leaders, > Rainsy, Ranariddh and Sokha, must meet face to face to work out a > workable alliance that is lasting, even after the election. If the > alliance is not worked out in details the alliance will be broken up > like in the past again.
> The suggestion that Kem Sokha Kem should join the SRP is a remote > possibility. Sokha and Sam Rainsy are two strong willed people and > these two have ego and personality clashes that prevent them from > working together effectively in the same party. So an alliance is the > best formula for them to have a workable relationship.
> Ranariddh has that royal appeal to the rural population and can still > attract considerable support if he is allowed equal opportunity to > campaign. He can work with Rainsy because he is seen or perceived to > be a weak leader who will follow anyone's lead, as we have seen in the > past during his political relationship with Hun Sen. > But the problem with Ranariddh, as we have seen many times in the > past, is that he might be snatched from Rainsy by Hun Sen again after > the election.
> So, to answer James' question I would say this: Kem Sokha has no > chance, not the slightest, of winning the 2003 election at all. Not > even Rainsy or Ranariddh. The election winner will be the CPP. Kem > Sokha might not win a seat at all. The election results have been pre- > determined already. Even these three form an alliance and go to the > poll with only one party name on the ballot paper it is not a sure > guarantee that they will win but the alliance increases the chance of > winning. This is my opinion.
> Sam
> On Jun 25, 6:02 am, James Sok <entry_me...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> Dear MP:
>> If I have an opportunity to tell Kem Sokha, I would suggest that he can >> either join the SRP or taking sometimes to work out a grand coalition for >> political campaign beyond 2008. This on condition that Kem Sokha wants to >> re-enter politics.
>> Kem Sokha had done a lot of things but each thing he did has a short >> history. People seem having difficulty in identifying his ideology >> belief.
>> Thank you very much for raising these interesting points about Lok Kem >> Sokha's party. In reading through the reasons you mentioned below, I >> can't help but wondering what should the new HRP do to get an entry into >> the Cambodian political scene? Some had suggested and supported (myself >> included) a union of HRP with other parties (SRP?) as one possible >> solution. However, based on what I read recently, while it seems that >> some HRP party members may think so, it appears that Mr. Kem Sokha does >> not favor this idea very much (to be confirmed). Although in the past, >> Lok Kem Sokha said that this decision will be made by the HRP congress, >> it seems to me that this decision is already being made up as we speak.
>> Therefore, let me ask you this, if I may and if you don't mind, if you >> have the possibility of telling Lok Kem Sokha on what to do for the >> upcoming 2008 election, what would you tell him?
>> What concerns me most, is not just the fact that Lok Kem Sokha may not >> make much inroads in the 2008 election, but that he could be perceived as >> the one who helps maintain the status quo of the CPP regime. That >> perception would be disastrous not only for Lok Kem Sokha himself, but it >> could bring a lot of negative viewpoints on human rights group in >> Cambodia, and it will simply reinforce what Hun Sen said all along: that >> human rights groups and civil society in Cambodia are involved in >> politics. I am very saddened by the fact that CCHR and Voice of Democracy >> lost all their fundings, even though I know full well that this is not >> entirely because of Lok Kem Sokha's departure, but it keeps me wondering.
I absolutely believe that the current streamline of CPP's policy is to denounce the human right activities in Cambodia....to weaken and to eliminate it...we can learn through: - The denouncing of UN's envoys - Creating complicate party like to Kem Sokha to deceive Khmer people not to see what is human rights?
If we are not wrong, Kem Sokha is just one of CPP's spies who emerge as democratic lover...
KY
On Jun 24, 5:00 pm, "sacravatoons" <sacravato...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> I'm second with Lauk Sam's view. > You're 3 Amigos have to work together....by showing your Democrat's > strenghts > to inspire Khmer- People to trust you again......
> 1) N.Ranarridh should thing of Cambodia & its People 's suffering. > Your family had done enough tragedy to Khmer Nation. > Stop your greed and work it out as an Decent Khmer .( Pls,do not > stealing Khmer's Wealth anymore ) > I think you have enough money for your security for 10 lives.
> 2) I'm sorry to say that Lauk Kem Sokha is just another new Prop for Hun > Xen's background of > its fake Democracy.Drop your Ego & your illution dream to win election > by your own team.
> 3) You're the best of the 3 Amigos.You & your wife, Lauk Srey Samura, are > good couple > of Cambodia....the more you're listening to people the more you gain :" > Puthik " that leads you both to success > and enlights your Political life. > You have to believe yourself ; " Stand Up" is your words that you had > told me & Khmer-People.
> Cheers, > Bun H.
> > Dear All,
> > Everybody knows full well that not only Kem Sokha will not win the > > 2008 elections, no other party as well will win except the CPP and Hun > > Sen will be the PM again. I'm very sure about it. Kem Sokha's party > > might not win any seat at all. I doubt he will win any seat all. The > > existence and the participation of Kem Sokha's party, the Norodom > > Ranariddh Party, and to some extend the Funcinpec in the election will > > only divide/take way the votes from the Sam Rainsy Party and in turn > > help the CPP to win comfortably.
> > I have said all along that the only way to have any chance of an > > election victory at all the opposition forces must form an alliance > > and only go to the election with only one party name on the ballot > > paper. To go to the poll with many parties on the ballot paper would > > only split the opposition votes. They are competing for the same > > votes. And to form an alliance they must start now. The tree leaders, > > Rainsy, Ranariddh and Sokha, must meet face to face to work out a > > workable alliance that is lasting, even after the election. If the > > alliance is not worked out in details the alliance will be broken up > > like in the past again.
> > The suggestion that Kem Sokha Kem should join the SRP is a remote > > possibility. Sokha and Sam Rainsy are two strong willed people and > > these two have ego and personality clashes that prevent them from > > working together effectively in the same party. So an alliance is the > > best formula for them to have a workable relationship.
> > Ranariddh has that royal appeal to the rural population and can still > > attract considerable support if he is allowed equal opportunity to > > campaign. He can work with Rainsy because he is seen or perceived to > > be a weak leader who will follow anyone's lead, as we have seen in the > > past during his political relationship with Hun Sen. > > But the problem with Ranariddh, as we have seen many times in the > > past, is that he might be snatched from Rainsy by Hun Sen again after > > the election.
> > So, to answer James' question I would say this: Kem Sokha has no > > chance, not the slightest, of winning the 2003 election at all. Not > > even Rainsy or Ranariddh. The election winner will be the CPP. Kem > > Sokha might not win a seat at all. The election results have been pre- > > determined already. Even these three form an alliance and go to the > > poll with only one party name on the ballot paper it is not a sure > > guarantee that they will win but the alliance increases the chance of > > winning. This is my opinion.
> > Sam
> > On Jun 25, 6:02 am, James Sok <entry_me...@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> Dear MP:
> >> If I have an opportunity to tell Kem Sokha, I would suggest that he can > >> either join the SRP or taking sometimes to work out a grand coalition for > >> political campaign beyond 2008. This on condition that Kem Sokha wants to > >> re-enter politics.
> >> Kem Sokha had done a lot of things but each thing he did has a short > >> history. People seem having difficulty in identifying his ideology > >> belief.
> >> Thank you very much for raising these interesting points about Lok Kem > >> Sokha's party. In reading through the reasons you mentioned below, I > >> can't help but wondering what should the new HRP do to get an entry into > >> the Cambodian political scene? Some had suggested and supported (myself > >> included) a union of HRP with other parties (SRP?) as one possible > >> solution. However, based on what I read recently, while it seems that > >> some HRP party members may think so, it appears that Mr. Kem Sokha does > >> not favor this idea very much (to be confirmed). Although in the past, > >> Lok Kem Sokha said that this decision will be made by the HRP congress, > >> it seems to me that this decision is already being made up as we speak.
> >> Therefore, let me ask you this, if I may and if you don't mind, if you > >> have the possibility of telling Lok Kem Sokha on what to do for the > >> upcoming 2008 election, what would you tell him?
> >> What concerns me most, is not just the fact that Lok Kem Sokha may not > >> make much inroads in the 2008 election, but that he could be perceived as > >> the one who helps maintain the status quo of the CPP regime. That > >> perception would be disastrous not only for Lok Kem Sokha himself, but it > >> could bring a lot of negative viewpoints on human rights group in > >> Cambodia, and it will simply reinforce what Hun Sen said all along: that > >> human rights groups and civil society in Cambodia are involved in > >> politics. I am very saddened by the fact that CCHR and Voice of Democracy > >> lost all their fundings, even though I know full well that this is not > >> entirely because of Lok Kem Sokha's departure, but it keeps me wondering.
> >> Kem Sokha and supporters won't win 2008 election in Cambodia because > >> the following reasons:
> >> a) Not enough time to prepare for election campaign,
> >> b) The group does not have clear political vision that attract voters > >> to vote for it,
> >> c) The group does not have prepared grassroots network,
> >> d) The group does not have organized key activists in the fields,
> >> f) The group does not have enough funding.
> >> Kem Sokha and supporters are dreaming. They won't make it.
> >> James
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Chum reab sour Oss Lok, Camdiscers, This past Friday I met Lok Sam Rangsei, Lok Rong Chhun and Lok Chea Moni in Lowell, MA. While I met them I had a couple of conversations with Lok Sam Rangsei. I said to him that he should work together with others Democratic party as Kem Sokha and Ranaridh. He answered to me with his smiling face:
" Or Kun Del Ban chouy Rum Lik!! Heuy Kh-Nhom Bat ning Khet Khom Teak Toang Ning Pror-Mer Pror-Maul oss Lok Pror Chea Thib-ba-tei Ni Yum tang Oss mok Roub Roum Knea"
I also asked him why he uses his name for the party/? He told me " His party had changed from Khmer Nation Party due to adminisrative harassment"
-------------- Original message -------------- From: M Preuk <mpr...@sbcglobal.net>
Dear James,
Thank you very much for raising these interesting points about Lok Kem Sokha's party. In reading through the reasons you mentioned below, I can't help but wondering what should the new HRP do to get an entry into the Cambodian political scene? Some had suggested and supported (myself included) a union of HRP with other parties (SRP?) as one possible solution. However, based on what I read recently, while it seems that some HRP party members may think so, it appears that Mr. Kem Sokha does not favor this idea very much (to be confirmed). Although in the past, Lok Kem Sokha said that this decision will be made by the HRP congress, it seems to me that this decision is already being made up as we speak.
Therefore, let me ask you this, if I may and if you don't mind, if you have the possibility of telling Lok Kem Sokha on what to do for the upcoming 2008 election, what would you tell him?
What concerns me most, is not just the fact that Lok Kem Sokha may not make much inroads in the 2008 election, but that he could be perceived as the one who helps maintain the status quo of the CPP regime. That perception would be disastrous not only for Lok Kem Sokha himself, but it could bring a lot of negative viewpoints on human rights group in Cambodia, and it will simply reinforce what Hun Sen said all along: that human rights groups and civil society in Cambodia are involved in politics. I am very saddened by the fact that CCHR and Voice of Democracy lost all their fundings, even though I know full well that this is not entirely because of Lok Kem Sokha's departure, but it keeps me wondering.
Best regards,
M. Preuk
James Sok <entry_me...@yahoo.com> wrote: Dear sisters and brothers:
Kem Sokha and supporters won't win 2008 election in Cambodia because the following reasons:
a) Not enough time to prepare for election campaign,
b) The group does not have clear political vision that attract voters to vote for it,
c) The group does not have prepared grassroots network,
d) The group does not have organized key activists in the fields,
f) The group does not have enough funding.
Kem Sokha and supporters are dreaming. They won't make it.
James
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I am glad to hear that you went and talk personally with these politicians, and remind them about the importance of a united front. For Srok Khmer's and Khmer People's sake, I sincerely hope that all Khmer politicians will adopt the same viewpoint as Lok Sam Rainsy personally told you.
Chum reab sour Oss Lok, Camdiscers, This past Friday I met Lok Sam Rangsei, Lok Rong Chhun and Lok Chea Moni in Lowell, MA. While I met them I had a couple of conversations with Lok Sam Rangsei. I said to him that he should work together with others Democratic party as Kem Sokha and Ranaridh. He answered to me with his smiling face:
" Or Kun Del Ban chouy Rum Lik!! Heuy Kh-Nhom Bat ning Khet Khom Teak Toang Ning Pror-Mer Pror-Maul oss Lok Pror Chea Thib-ba-tei Ni Yum tang Oss mok Roub Roum Knea"
I also asked him why he uses his name for the party/? He told me " His party had changed from Khmer Nation Party due to adminisrative harassment"
-------------- Original message -------------- From: M Preuk <mpr...@sbcglobal.net>
Dear James,
Thank you very much for raising these interesting points about Lok Kem Sokha's party. In reading through the reasons you mentioned below, I can't help but wondering what should the new HRP do to get an entry into the Cambodian political scene? Some had suggested and supported (myself included) a union of HRP with other parties (SRP?) as one possible solution. However, based on what I read recently, while it seems that some HRP party members may think so, it appears that Mr. Kem Sokha does not favor this idea very much (to be confirmed). Although in the past, Lok Kem Sokha said that this decision will be made by the HRP congress, it seems to me that this decision is already being made up as we speak.
Therefore, let me ask you this, if I may and if you don't mind, if you have the possibility of telling Lok Kem Sokha on what to do for the upcoming 2008 election, what would you tell him?
What concerns me most, is not just the fact that Lok Kem Sokha may not make much inroads in the 2008 election, but that he could be perceived as the one who helps maintain the status quo of the CPP regime. That perception would be disastrous not only for Lok Kem Sokha himself, but it could bring a lot of negative viewpoints on human rights group in Cambodia, and it will simply reinforce what Hun Sen said all along: that human rights groups and civil society in Cambodia are involved in politics. I am very saddened by the fact that CCHR and Voice of Democracy lost all their fundings, even though I know full well that this is not entirely because of Lok Kem Sokha's departure, but it keeps me wondering.
Best regards,
M. Preuk
James Sok <entry_me...@yahoo.com> wrote: Dear sisters and brothers:
Kem Sokha and supporters won't win 2008 election in Cambodia because the following reasons:
a) Not enough time to prepare for election campaign,
b) The group does not have clear political vision that attract voters to vote for it,
c) The group does not have prepared grassroots network,
d) The group does not have organized key activists in the fields,
f) The group does not have enough funding.
Kem Sokha and supporters are dreaming. They won't make it.
James
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If I have an opportunity to tell Kem Sokha, I would suggest that he can either join the SRP or taking sometimes to work out a grand coalition for political campaign beyond 2008. This on condition that Kem Sokha wants to re-enter politics.
Kem Sokha had done a lot of things but each thing he did has a short history. People seem having difficulty in identifying his ideology belief.
Thank you very much for raising these interesting points about Lok Kem Sokha's party. In reading through the reasons you mentioned below, I can't help but wondering what should the new HRP do to get an entry into the Cambodian political scene? Some had suggested and supported (myself included) a union of HRP with other parties (SRP?) as one possible solution. However, based on what I read recently, while it seems that some HRP party members may think so, it appears that Mr. Kem Sokha does not favor this idea very much (to be confirmed). Although in the past, Lok Kem Sokha said that this decision will be made by the HRP congress, it seems to me that this decision is already being made up as we speak.
Therefore, let me ask you this, if I may and if you don't mind, if you have the possibility of telling Lok Kem Sokha on what to do for the upcoming 2008 election, what would you tell him?
What concerns me most, is not just the fact that Lok Kem Sokha may not make much inroads in the 2008 election, but that he could be perceived as the one who helps maintain the status quo of the CPP regime. That perception would be disastrous not only for Lok Kem Sokha himself, but it could bring a lot of negative viewpoints on human rights group in Cambodia, and it will simply reinforce what Hun Sen said all along: that human rights groups and civil society in Cambodia are involved in politics. I am very saddened by the fact that CCHR and Voice of Democracy lost all their fundings, even though I know full well that this is not entirely because of Lok Kem Sokha's departure, but it keeps me wondering.
You have done a good job. By asking Rainsy that question you have reminded him of the need to unite and form an alliance with other opposition parties. But when I heard he used the word "pro-mae pro- mol" - 'to gather" or "to collect" in English, I don't have much hope that the alliance will happen. Rainsy is talking about "pro-mae pro- mol" not "chong somporn" (form an alliance). The word "pro-mae pro- mol" seems to suggest that Rainsy wants other parties to dissolve themselves into his party, using his party's name to go to the election. I don't think Kem Sokha and Ranaridhh will agree to this. If the three are serious enough about an alliance the three leaders must sit face to face and talk frankly. No hidden agenda and be sincere to one another. This is to create trusts so they can form a lasting alliance.
But I salute you, Bong Ry, for your suggestions to Rainsy personally.
> Chum reab sour Oss Lok, Camdiscers, > This past Friday I met Lok Sam Rangsei, Lok Rong Chhun and Lok Chea Moni in Lowell, MA. While I met them I had a couple of conversations with Lok Sam Rangsei. I said to him that he should work together with others Democratic party as Kem Sokha and Ranaridh. He answered to me with his smiling face:
> " Or Kun Del Ban chouy Rum Lik!! Heuy Kh-Nhom Bat ning Khet Khom Teak Toang Ning Pror-Mer Pror-Maul oss Lok Pror Chea Thib-ba-tei Ni Yum tang Oss mok Roub Roum Knea"
> I also asked him why he uses his name for the party/? He told me " His party had changed from Khmer Nation Party due to adminisrative harassment"
> Please do not laugh at me..
> Or Kun, > Meeng
> -------------- Original message -------------- > From: M Preuk <mpr...@sbcglobal.net>
> Dear James,
> Thank you very much for raising these interesting points about Lok Kem Sokha's party. In reading through the reasons you mentioned below, I can't help but wondering what should the new HRP do to get an entry into the Cambodian political scene? Some had suggested and supported (myself included) a union of HRP with other parties (SRP?) as one possible solution. However, based on what I read recently, while it seems that some HRP party members may think so, it appears that Mr. Kem Sokha does not favor this idea very much (to be confirmed). Although in the past, Lok Kem Sokha said that this decision will be made by the HRP congress, it seems to me that this decision is already being made up as we speak.
> Therefore, let me ask you this, if I may and if you don't mind, if you have the possibility of telling Lok Kem Sokha on what to do for the upcoming 2008 election, what would you tell him?
> What concerns me most, is not just the fact that Lok Kem Sokha may not make much inroads in the 2008 election, but that he could be perceived as the one who helps maintain the status quo of the CPP regime. That perception would be disastrous not only for Lok Kem Sokha himself, but it could bring a lot of negative viewpoints on human rights group in Cambodia, and it will simply reinforce what Hun Sen said all along: that human rights groups and civil society in Cambodia are involved in politics. I am very saddened by the fact that CCHR and Voice of Democracy lost all their fundings, even though I know full well that this is not entirely because of Lok Kem Sokha's departure, but it keeps me wondering.
> Best regards,
> M. Preuk
> James Sok <entry_me...@yahoo.com> wrote: > Dear sisters and brothers:
> Kem Sokha and supporters won't win 2008 election in Cambodia because the following reasons:
> a) Not enough time to prepare for election campaign,
> b) The group does not have clear political vision that attract voters to vote for it,
> c) The group does not have prepared grassroots network,
> d) The group does not have organized key activists in the fields,
> f) The group does not have enough funding.
> Kem Sokha and supporters are dreaming. They won't make it.
> James
> ====
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> I'm second with Lauk Sam's view. > You're 3 Amigos have to work together....by showing your Democrat's > strenghts > to inspire Khmer- People to trust you again......
> 1) N.Ranarridh should thing of Cambodia & its People 's suffering. > Your family had done enough tragedy to Khmer Nation. > Stop your greed and work it out as an Decent Khmer .( Pls,do not > stealing Khmer's Wealth anymore ) > I think you have enough money for your security for 10 lives.
> 2) I'm sorry to say that Lauk Kem Sokha is just another new Prop for Hun > Xen's background of > its fake Democracy.Drop your Ego & your illution dream to win election > by your own team.
> 3) You're the best of the 3 Amigos.You & your wife, Lauk Srey Samura, are > good couple > of Cambodia....the more you're listening to people the more you gain :" > Puthik " that leads you both to success > and enlights your Political life. > You have to believe yourself ; " Stand Up" is your words that you had > told me & Khmer-People.
> Cheers, > Bun H.
> > Dear All,
> > Everybody knows full well that not only Kem Sokha will not win the > > 2008 elections, no other party as well will win except the CPP and Hun > > Sen will be the PM again. I'm very sure about it. Kem Sokha's party > > might not win any seat at all. I doubt he will win any seat all. The > > existence and the participation of Kem Sokha's party, the Norodom > > Ranariddh Party, and to some extend the Funcinpec in the election will > > only divide/take way the votes from the Sam Rainsy Party and in turn > > help the CPP to win comfortably.
> > I have said all along that the only way to have any chance of an > > election victory at all the opposition forces must form an alliance > > and only go to the election with only one party name on the ballot > > paper. To go to the poll with many parties on the ballot paper would > > only split the opposition votes. They are competing for the same > > votes. And to form an alliance they must start now. The tree leaders, > > Rainsy, Ranariddh and Sokha, must meet face to face to work out a > > workable alliance that is lasting, even after the election. If the > > alliance is not worked out in details the alliance will be broken up > > like in the past again.
> > The suggestion that Kem Sokha Kem should join the SRP is a remote > > possibility. Sokha and Sam Rainsy are two strong willed people and > > these two have ego and personality clashes that prevent them from > > working together effectively in the same party. So an alliance is the > > best formula for them to have a workable relationship.
> > Ranariddh has that royal appeal to the rural population and can still > > attract considerable support if he is allowed equal opportunity to > > campaign. He can work with Rainsy because he is seen or perceived to > > be a weak leader who will follow anyone's lead, as we have seen in the > > past during his political relationship with Hun Sen. > > But the problem with Ranariddh, as we have seen many times in the > > past, is that he might be snatched from Rainsy by Hun Sen again after > > the election.
> > So, to answer James' question I would say this: Kem Sokha has no > > chance, not the slightest, of winning the 2003 election at all. Not > > even Rainsy or Ranariddh. The election winner will be the CPP. Kem > > Sokha might not win a seat at all. The election results have been pre- > > determined already. Even these three form an alliance and go to the > > poll with only one party name on the ballot paper it is not a sure > > guarantee that they will win but the alliance increases the chance of > > winning. This is my opinion.
> > Sam
> > On Jun 25, 6:02 am, James Sok <entry_me...@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> Dear MP:
> >> If I have an opportunity to tell Kem Sokha, I would suggest that he can > >> either join the SRP or taking sometimes to work out a grand coalition for > >> political campaign beyond 2008. This on condition that Kem Sokha wants to > >> re-enter politics.
> >> Kem Sokha had done a lot of things but each thing he did has a short > >> history. People seem having difficulty in identifying his ideology > >> belief.
> >> Thank you very much for raising these interesting points about Lok Kem > >> Sokha's party. In reading through the reasons you mentioned below, I > >> can't help but wondering what should the new HRP do to get an entry into > >> the Cambodian political scene? Some had suggested and supported (myself > >> included) a union of HRP with other parties (SRP?) as one possible > >> solution. However, based on what I read recently, while it seems that > >> some HRP party members may think so, it appears that Mr. Kem Sokha does > >> not favor this idea very much (to be confirmed). Although in the past, > >> Lok Kem Sokha said that this decision will be made by the HRP congress, > >> it seems to me that this decision is already being made up as we speak.
> >> Therefore, let me ask you this, if I may and if you don't mind, if you > >> have the possibility of telling Lok Kem Sokha on what to do for the > >> upcoming 2008 election, what would you tell him?
> >> What concerns me most, is not just the fact that Lok Kem Sokha may not > >> make much inroads in the 2008 election, but that he could be perceived as > >> the one who helps maintain the status quo of the CPP regime. That > >> perception would be disastrous not only for Lok Kem Sokha himself, but it > >> could bring a lot of negative viewpoints on human rights group in > >> Cambodia, and it will simply reinforce what Hun Sen said all along: that > >> human rights groups and civil society in Cambodia are involved in > >> politics. I am very saddened by the fact that CCHR and Voice of Democracy > >> lost all their fundings, even though I know full well that this is not > >> entirely because of Lok Kem Sokha's departure, but it keeps me wondering.
> >> Kem Sokha and supporters won't win 2008 election in Cambodia because > >> the following reasons:
> >> a) Not enough time to prepare for election campaign,
> >> b) The group does not have clear political vision that attract voters > >> to vote for it,
> >> c) The group does not have prepared grassroots network,
> >> d) The group does not have organized key activists in the fields,
> >> f) The group does not have enough funding.
> >> Kem Sokha and supporters are dreaming. They won't make it.
> >> James
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Beside serving Puok Sdech Sam Rainsy and Thiou Long Summoura cannot work in solidarity and equality with others because they seldom think other people are smart enough to have their respect. This issue is related to their background as feudalist.
Norodom Rannaridh and other Puok Sdech will work with common Khmer people on condition that they are worshiped and installed in leadership position. They won't work in solidarity and equality with common people because they are born Sdech. This issue is related to their so-called divine rights to rule.
Kem Sokha is welcomed by the above two groups on condition that Sokha joining them as a supporter. The SRP and Puok Sdech won't accept Sokha as an allie because Sokha does not have a political base.
Current Khmer politicians do not believe in national priority. They cannot win the election because:
........... Selfish leadership. ........... Narrow vision. ........... Poor organization. ........... Lacking real ideology. ........... No trained membership. ........... No supporting grassroots. ........... Lacking diplomatic support.
You have done a good job. By asking Rainsy that question you have reminded him of the need to unite and form an alliance with other opposition parties. But when I heard he used the word "pro-mae pro- mol" - 'to gather" or "to collect" in English, I don't have much hope that the alliance will happen. Rainsy is talking about "pro-mae pro- mol" not "chong somporn" (form an alliance). The word "pro-mae pro- mol" seems to suggest that Rainsy wants other parties to dissolve themselves into his party, using his party's name to go to the election. I don't think Kem Sokha and Ranaridhh will agree to this. If the three are serious enough about an alliance the three leaders must sit face to face and talk frankly. No hidden agenda and be sincere to one another. This is to create trusts so they can form a lasting alliance.
But I salute you, Bong Ry, for your suggestions to Rainsy personally.
> Chum reab sour Oss Lok, Camdiscers, > This past Friday I met Lok Sam Rangsei, Lok Rong Chhun and Lok Chea Moni in Lowell, MA. While I met them I had a couple of conversations with Lok Sam Rangsei. I said to him that he should work together with others Democratic party as Kem Sokha and Ranaridh. He answered to me with his smiling face:
> " Or Kun Del Ban chouy Rum Lik!! Heuy Kh-Nhom Bat ning Khet Khom Teak Toang Ning Pror-Mer Pror-Maul oss Lok Pror Chea Thib-ba-tei Ni Yum tang Oss mok Roub Roum Knea"
> I also asked him why he uses his name for the party/? He told me " His party had changed from Khmer Nation Party due to adminisrative harassment"
> Please do not laugh at me..
> Or Kun, > Meeng
> -------------- Original message -------------- > From: M Preuk
> Dear James,
> Thank you very much for raising these interesting points about Lok Kem Sokha's party. In reading through the reasons you mentioned below, I can't help but wondering what should the new HRP do to get an entry into the Cambodian political scene? Some had suggested and supported (myself included) a union of HRP with other parties (SRP?) as one possible solution. However, based on what I read recently, while it seems that some HRP party members may think so, it appears that Mr. Kem Sokha does not favor this idea very much (to be confirmed). Although in the past, Lok Kem Sokha said that this decision will be made by the HRP congress, it seems to me that this decision is already being made up as we speak.
> Therefore, let me ask you this, if I may and if you don't mind, if you have the possibility of telling Lok Kem Sokha on what to do for the upcoming 2008 election, what would you tell him?
> What concerns me most, is not just the fact that Lok Kem Sokha may not make much inroads in the 2008 election, but that he could be perceived as the one who helps maintain the status quo of the CPP regime. That perception would be disastrous not only for Lok Kem Sokha himself, but it could bring a lot of negative viewpoints on human rights group in Cambodia, and it will simply reinforce what Hun Sen said all along: that human rights groups and civil society in Cambodia are involved in politics. I am very saddened by the fact that CCHR and Voice of Democracy lost all their fundings, even though I know full well that this is not entirely because of Lok Kem Sokha's departure, but it keeps me wondering.
> Best regards,
> M. Preuk
> James Sok wrote: > Dear sisters and brothers:
> Kem Sokha and supporters won't win 2008 election in Cambodia because the following reasons:
> a) Not enough time to prepare for election campaign,
> b) The group does not have clear political vision that attract voters to vote for it,
> c) The group does not have prepared grassroots network,
> d) The group does not have organized key activists in the fields,
> f) The group does not have enough funding.
> Kem Sokha and supporters are dreaming. They won't make it.
> James
> ====
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I do not mean to give you another headache. But I like to honestly speak my mind of what I feel about suggestion of forming a coalition among the so-called democrats.
As I already mentioned in my other post in Camdisc today, Puok Sdech and SRP can possibly form a coalition again because they are having similar roots and mentality, but not with Kem Sokha who used to be their servant and supporter.
From what I knew.... Kem Sokha did discuss about a possible coalition with the SRP. But the SRP welcomed him on condition that Sokha is a supporter to the SRP. Sokha may have a position in the SRP but not having the status of a partner.
Chum reab sour Oss Lok, Camdiscers, This past Friday I met Lok Sam Rangsei, Lok Rong Chhun and Lok Chea Moni in Lowell, MA. While I met them I had a couple of conversations with Lok Sam Rangsei. I said to him that he should work together with others Democratic party as Kem Sokha and Ranaridh. He answered to me with his smiling face:
" Or Kun Del Ban chouy Rum Lik!! Heuy Kh-Nhom Bat ning Khet Khom Teak Toang Ning Pror-Mer Pror-Maul oss Lok Pror Chea Thib-ba-tei Ni Yum tang Oss mok Roub Roum Knea"
I also asked him why he uses his name for the party/? He told me " His party had changed from Khmer Nation Party due to adminisrative harassment"
-------------- Original message -------------- From: M Preuk <mpr...@sbcglobal.net>
Dear James,
Thank you very much for raising these interesting points about Lok Kem Sokha's party. In reading through the reasons you mentioned below, I can't help but wondering what should the new HRP do to get an entry into the Cambodian political scene? Some had suggested and supported (myself included) a union of HRP with other parties (SRP?) as one possible solution. However, based on what I read recently, while it seems that some HRP party members may think so, it appears that Mr. Kem Sokha does not favor this idea very much (to be confirmed). Although in the past, Lok Kem Sokha said that this decision will be made by the HRP congress, it seems to me that this decision is already being made up as we speak.
Therefore, let me ask you this, if I may and if you don't mind, if you have the possibility of telling Lok Kem Sokha on what to do for the upcoming 2008 election, what would you tell him?
What concerns me most, is not just the fact that Lok Kem Sokha may not make much inroads in the 2008 election, but that he could be perceived as the one who helps maintain the status quo of the CPP regime. That perception would be disastrous not only for Lok Kem Sokha himself, but it could bring a lot of negative viewpoints on human rights group in Cambodia, and it will simply reinforce what Hun Sen said all along: that human rights groups and civil society in Cambodia are involved in politics. I am very saddened by the fact that CCHR and Voice of Democracy lost all their fundings, even though I know full well that this is not entirely because of Lok Kem Sokha's departure, but it keeps me wondering.
Best regards,
M. Preuk
James Sok <entry_me...@yahoo.com> wrote: Dear sisters and brothers:
Kem Sokha and supporters won't win 2008 election in Cambodia because the following reasons:
a) Not enough time to prepare for election campaign,
b) The group does not have clear political vision that attract voters to vote for it,
c) The group does not have prepared grassroots network,
d) The group does not have organized key activists in the fields,
f) The group does not have enough funding.
Kem Sokha and supporters are dreaming. They won't make it.
James
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Q : " This past Friday I met Lok Sam Rangsei, Lok Rong Chhun and Lok Chea Moni in Lowell, MA. While I met them I had a couple of conversations with Lok Sam Rangsei. I said to him that he should work together with others Democratic party as Kem Sokha and Ranaridh. He answered to me with his smiling face: " Or Kun Del Ban chouy Rum Lik!! Heuy Kh-Nhom Bat ning Khet Khom Teak Toang Ning Pror-Mer Pror-Maul oss Lok Pror Chea Thib-ba-tei Ni Yum tang Oss mok Roub Roum Knea"
A1 : BY JAMES SOK " From what I knew.... Kem Sokha did discuss about a possible coalition with the SRP. But the SRP welcomed him on condition that Sokha is a supporter to the SRP. Sokha may have a position in the SRP but not having the status of a partner."
A2 : BY BURY
a. The union of the 3 remain impossible so long as they do not practice the Khmer culture of HONESTY based on the 5 sila principles as I post in this forum on a daily basis. Because the 3 still are tempted to use lies to get what they want ....
b. SRP under Mr Sam Rainsi and Mme Tioulong Saumura is seen as parallel to the French SP of Francois Holland and Segolen Royal before they split . They are the 2 who are the party SRP.
c. SRP is infiltrated by the CPP/Viet agents , some members are Viet under fake Cambodian names..
d. SRP has close connection with the US democrate party of Senator Clinton......and this tunes well with former King Sihanouk as supporter of Chinese/NVN/VC during the Vietnam war.
e. SRP IS 1/2 part of the KHEK VANDY CLAN, the most corrupted of the FUNCINPEC ,and strong supporter of the CPP.
f. It was Khek Vandy that kicked out PRINCE RANARIDDH from FUNCINPEC .... not put reaksmei ... Khek Vandy is the QUEEN MONINEATH 'S SHADOW POWER IN CAMBODIAN POLITICS.....with close connection to Yuon Hanoi......
Dear Meeng Ry, please do not believe easily to these people ...... Meeng Ry is Khmer , but NGER CHHAI LIENG , A CPP/VIETNAMESE AND ALSO member of FUNCINPEC as Head of Camcontrol, ....... Meeng Ry is Khmer just like Mme Muor Sochour member of SRP? Check with our friend Mr MP to see if she is Khmer like Meeng Ry .
Meeng Ry, i AM USING MSRD tool or morphology study on Vietnamese race in order to arrive at this conclusion.....
>From: James Sok <entry_me...@yahoo.com> >Reply-To: angkoriansociety@googlegroups.com >To: AngkorSociety <angkoriansociety@googlegroups.com>, Camdisc ><camdisc@googlegroups.com> >Subject: [angkoriansociety] They do not have strategy in working >together.... >Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 07:03:28 -0700 (PDT)
>Dear Meeng Ry:
> I do not mean to give you another headache. But I like to honestly speak >my mind of what I feel about suggestion of forming a coalition among the >so-called democrats.
> As I already mentioned in my other post in Camdisc today, Puok Sdech and >SRP can possibly form a coalition again because they are having similar >roots and mentality, but not with Kem Sokha who used to be their servant >and supporter.
> From what I knew.... Kem Sokha did discuss about a possible coalition >with the SRP. But the SRP welcomed him on condition that Sokha is a >supporter to the SRP. Sokha may have a position in the SRP but not having >the status of a partner.
> ======
>meeng...@comcast.net wrote: > Chum reab sour Oss Lok, Camdiscers, > This past Friday I met Lok Sam Rangsei, Lok Rong Chhun and Lok Chea Moni >in Lowell, MA. While I met them I had a couple of conversations with Lok >Sam Rangsei. I said to him that he should work together with others >Democratic party as Kem Sokha and Ranaridh. He answered to me with his >smiling face:
> " Or Kun Del Ban chouy Rum Lik!! Heuy Kh-Nhom Bat ning Khet Khom Teak >Toang Ning Pror-Mer Pror-Maul oss Lok Pror Chea Thib-ba-tei Ni Yum tang Oss >mok Roub Roum Knea"
> I also asked him why he uses his name for the party/? He told me " His >party had changed from Khmer Nation Party due to adminisrative >harassment"
> Please do not laugh at me..
> Or Kun, > Meeng
> -------------- Original message -------------- >From: M Preuk <mpr...@sbcglobal.net> > Dear James,
> Thank you very much for raising these interesting points about Lok Kem >Sokha's party. In reading through the reasons you mentioned below, I can't >help but wondering what should the new HRP do to get an entry into the >Cambodian political scene? Some had suggested and supported (myself >included) a union of HRP with other parties (SRP?) as one possible >solution. However, based on what I read recently, while it seems that some >HRP party members may think so, it appears that Mr. Kem Sokha does not >favor this idea very much (to be confirmed). Although in the past, Lok Kem >Sokha said that this decision will be made by the HRP congress, it seems to >me that this decision is already being made up as we speak.
> Therefore, let me ask you this, if I may and if you don't mind, if you >have the possibility of telling Lok Kem Sokha on what to do for the >upcoming 2008 election, what would you tell him?
> What concerns me most, is not just the fact that Lok Kem Sokha may not >make much inroads in the 2008 election, but that he could be perceived as >the one who helps maintain the status quo of the CPP regime. That >perception would be disastrous not only for Lok Kem Sokha himself, but it >could bring a lot of negative viewpoints on human rights group in Cambodia, >and it will simply reinforce what Hun Sen said all along: that human rights >groups and civil society in Cambodia are involved in politics. I am very >saddened by the fact that CCHR and Voice of Democracy lost all their >fundings, even though I know full well that this is not entirely because of >Lok Kem Sokha's departure, but it keeps me wondering.
> Best regards,
> M. Preuk
>James Sok <entry_me...@yahoo.com> wrote: > Dear sisters and brothers:
> Kem Sokha and supporters won't win 2008 election in Cambodia because the >following reasons:
> a) Not enough time to prepare for election campaign,
> b) The group does not have clear political vision that attract voters to >vote for it,
> c) The group does not have prepared grassroots network,
> d) The group does not have organized key activists in the fields,
> f) The group does not have enough funding.
> Kem Sokha and supporters are dreaming. They won't make it.
Q : " This past Friday I met Lok Sam Rangsei, Lok Rong Chhun and Lok Chea Moni in Lowell, MA. While I met them I had a couple of conversations with Lok Sam Rangsei. I said to him that he should work together with others Democratic party as Kem Sokha and Ranaridh. He answered to me with his smiling face: " Or Kun Del Ban chouy Rum Lik!! Heuy Kh-Nhom Bat ning Khet Khom Teak Toang Ning Pror-Mer Pror-Maul oss Lok Pror Chea Thib-ba-tei Ni Yum tang Oss mok Roub Roum Knea"
A1 : BY JAMES SOK " From what I knew.... Kem Sokha did discuss about a possible coalition with the SRP. But the SRP welcomed him on condition that Sokha is a supporter to the SRP. Sokha may have a position in the SRP but not having the status of a partner."
A2 : BY BURY
a. The union of the 3 remain impossible so long as they do not practice the Khmer culture of HONESTY based on the 5 sila principles as I post in this forum on a daily basis. Because the 3 still are tempted to use lies to get what they want ....
b. SRP under Mr Sam Rainsi and Mme Tioulong Saumura is seen as parallel to the French SP of Francois Holland and Segolen Royal before they split . They are the 2 who are the party SRP.
c. SRP is infiltrated by the CPP/Viet agents , some members are Viet under fake Cambodian names..
d. SRP has close connection with the US democrate party of Senator Clinton......and this tunes well with former King Sihanouk as supporter of Chinese/NVN/VC during the Vietnam war.
e. SRP IS 1/2 part of the KHEK VANDY CLAN, the most corrupted of the FUNCINPEC ,and strong supporter of the CPP.
f. It was Khek Vandy that kicked out PRINCE RANARIDDH from FUNCINPEC .... not put reaksmei ... Khek Vandy is the QUEEN MONINEATH 'S SHADOW POWER IN CAMBODIAN POLITICS.....with close connection to Yuon Hanoi......
Dear Meeng Ry, please do not believe easily to these people ...... Meeng Ry is Khmer , but NGER CHHAI LIENG , A CPP/VIETNAMESE AND ALSO member of FUNCINPEC as Head of Camcontrol, ....... Meeng Ry is Khmer just like Mme Muor Sochour member of SRP? Check with our friend Mr MP to see if she is Khmer like Meeng Ry .
Meeng Ry, i AM USING MSRD tool or morphology study on Vietnamese race in order to arrive at this conclusion.....
>From: James Sok <entry_me...@yahoo.com> >Reply-To: angkoriansociety@googlegroups.com >To: AngkorSociety <angkoriansociety@googlegroups.com>, Camdisc ><camdisc@googlegroups.com> >Subject: [angkoriansociety] They do not have strategy in working >together.... >Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 07:03:28 -0700 (PDT)
>Dear Meeng Ry:
> I do not mean to give you another headache. But I like to honestly speak >my mind of what I feel about suggestion of forming a coalition among the >so-called democrats.
> As I already mentioned in my other post in Camdisc today, Puok Sdech and >SRP can possibly form a coalition again because they are having similar >roots and mentality, but not with Kem Sokha who used to be their servant >and supporter.
> From what I knew.... Kem Sokha did discuss about a possible coalition >with the SRP. But the SRP welcomed him on condition that Sokha is a >supporter to the SRP. Sokha may have a position in the SRP but not having >the status of a partner.
> ======
>meeng...@comcast.net wrote: > Chum reab sour Oss Lok, Camdiscers, > This past Friday I met Lok Sam Rangsei, Lok Rong Chhun and Lok Chea Moni >in Lowell, MA. While I met them I had a couple of conversations with Lok >Sam Rangsei. I said to him that he should work together with others >Democratic party as Kem Sokha and Ranaridh. He answered to me with his >smiling face:
> " Or Kun Del Ban chouy Rum Lik!! Heuy Kh-Nhom Bat ning Khet Khom Teak >Toang Ning Pror-Mer Pror-Maul oss Lok Pror Chea Thib-ba-tei Ni Yum tang Oss >mok Roub Roum Knea"
> I also asked him why he uses his name for the party/? He told me " His >party had changed from Khmer Nation Party due to adminisrative >harassment"
> Please do not laugh at me..
> Or Kun, > Meeng
> -------------- Original message -------------- >From: M Preuk <mpr...@sbcglobal.net> > Dear James,
> Thank you very much for raising these interesting points about Lok Kem >Sokha's party. In reading through the reasons you mentioned below, I can't >help but wondering what should the new HRP do to get an entry into the >Cambodian political scene? Some had suggested and supported (myself >included) a union of HRP with other parties (SRP?) as one possible >solution. However, based on what I read recently, while it seems that some >HRP party members may think so, it appears that Mr. Kem Sokha does not >favor this idea very much (to be confirmed). Although in the past, Lok Kem >Sokha said that this decision will be made by the HRP congress, it seems to >me that this decision is already being made up as we speak.
> Therefore, let me ask you this, if I may and if you don't mind, if you >have the possibility of telling Lok Kem Sokha on what to do for the >upcoming 2008 election, what would you tell him?
> What concerns me most, is not just the fact that Lok Kem Sokha may not >make much inroads in the 2008 election, but that he could be perceived as >the one who helps maintain the status quo of the CPP regime. That >perception would be disastrous not only for Lok Kem Sokha himself, but it >could bring a lot of negative viewpoints on human rights group in Cambodia, >and it will simply reinforce what Hun Sen said all along: that human rights >groups and civil society in Cambodia are involved in politics. I am very >saddened by the fact that CCHR and Voice of Democracy lost all their >fundings, even though I know full well that this is not entirely because of >Lok Kem Sokha's departure, but it keeps me wondering.
> Best regards,
> M. Preuk
>James Sok <entry_me...@yahoo.com> wrote: > Dear sisters and brothers:
> Kem Sokha and supporters won't win 2008 election in Cambodia because the >following reasons:
> a) Not enough time to prepare for election campaign,
> b) The group does not have clear political vision that attract voters to >vote for it,
> c) The group does not have prepared grassroots network,
> d) The group does not have organized key activists in the fields,
> f) The group does not have enough funding.
> Kem Sokha and supporters are dreaming. They won't make it.
People : Good opinion, we are very close to rescue our beloved motherland from the Crooked People Party. Please work harder and smarter, once voice and couple suggestions are not enough, we need a collective ideas what best can these people working together, from their own egos or their national insticts.It's too bad we don't have so many good people who are caring and working for the benefits of our people.We do what we have, we must make effort and sacrifice to force these people learn how to work together, otherwise we'll get nothing.I strongly believe team work, each group has to have a good team who make everything possible for their respective leaders to listen.The team work is the best solution of all aspects, business and politic. So far I see Lok Sokha has a good team mostly intellectual elites from France and USA. Puok Sdach up to this time has a good team too, I do not know about SRP, but I hope His Excellency will listen not from his team, at least from some western people abroad.Everybody must agree that our nation is under siege, Cambodian people is no longer to afford another term of CPP. Stop emotional assumption who is CPP's spies or CPP under covers. We are Cambodian democrats, we want to take back Cambodia from the dirty hand of the Crooked People Party. Take advise from the pro and the most experience people, even he or she is a NATO.
On Jun 25, 11:51 am, "Bury Chau" <chaub...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Q : " This past Friday I met Lok Sam Rangsei, Lok Rong Chhun and Lok Chea > Moni in Lowell, MA. While I met them I had a couple of conversations with > Lok Sam Rangsei. I said to him that he should work together with others > Democratic party as Kem Sokha and Ranaridh. He answered to me with his > smiling face: > " Or Kun Del Ban chouy Rum Lik!! Heuy Kh-Nhom Bat ning Khet Khom Teak > Toang Ning Pror-Mer Pror-Maul oss Lok Pror Chea Thib-ba-tei Ni Yum tang Oss > mok Roub Roum Knea"
> A1 : BY JAMES SOK > " From what I knew.... Kem Sokha did discuss about a possible coalition with > the SRP. But the SRP welcomed him on condition that Sokha is a supporter to > the SRP. Sokha may have a position in the SRP but not having the status of a > partner."
> A2 : BY BURY
> a. The union of the 3 remain impossible so long as they do not practice the > Khmer culture of HONESTY based on the 5 sila principles as I post in this > forum on a daily basis. Because the 3 still are tempted to use lies to get > what they want ....
> b. SRP under Mr Sam Rainsi and Mme Tioulong Saumura is seen as parallel to > the French SP of Francois Holland and Segolen Royal before they split . > They are the 2 who are the party SRP.
> c. SRP is infiltrated by the CPP/Viet agents , some members are Viet under > fake Cambodian names..
> d. SRP has close connection with the US democrate party of Senator > Clinton......and this tunes well > with former King Sihanouk as supporter of Chinese/NVN/VC during the Vietnam > war.
> e. SRP IS 1/2 part of the KHEK VANDY CLAN, the most corrupted of the > FUNCINPEC ,and strong supporter of the CPP.
> f. It was Khek Vandy that kicked out PRINCE RANARIDDH from FUNCINPEC .... > not put reaksmei ... > Khek Vandy is the QUEEN MONINEATH 'S SHADOW POWER IN CAMBODIAN > POLITICS.....with close connection to Yuon Hanoi......
> Dear Meeng Ry, please do not believe easily to these people ...... > Meeng Ry is Khmer , but NGER CHHAI LIENG , A CPP/VIETNAMESE AND ALSO member > of FUNCINPEC as Head of Camcontrol, ....... > Meeng Ry is Khmer just like Mme Muor Sochour member of SRP? > Check with our friend Mr MP to see if she is Khmer like Meeng Ry .
> Meeng Ry, i AM USING MSRD tool or morphology study on Vietnamese race in > order to arrive at this conclusion.....
> >From: James Sok <entry_me...@yahoo.com> > >Reply-To: angkoriansociety@googlegroups.com > >To: AngkorSociety <angkoriansociety@googlegroups.com>, Camdisc > ><camdisc@googlegroups.com> > >Subject: [angkoriansociety] They do not have strategy in working > >together.... > >Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 07:03:28 -0700 (PDT)
> >Dear Meeng Ry:
> > I do not mean to give you another headache. But I like to honestly speak > >my mind of what I feel about suggestion of forming a coalition among the > >so-called democrats.
> > As I already mentioned in my other post in Camdisc today, Puok Sdech and > >SRP can possibly form a coalition again because they are having similar > >roots and mentality, but not with Kem Sokha who used to be their servant > >and supporter.
> > From what I knew.... Kem Sokha did discuss about a possible coalition > >with the SRP. But the SRP welcomed him on condition that Sokha is a > >supporter to the SRP. Sokha may have a position in the SRP but not having > >the status of a partner.
> > ======
> >meeng...@comcast.net wrote: > > Chum reab sour Oss Lok, Camdiscers, > > This past Friday I met Lok Sam Rangsei, Lok Rong Chhun and Lok Chea Moni > >in Lowell, MA. While I met them I had a couple of conversations with Lok > >Sam Rangsei. I said to him that he should work together with others > >Democratic party as Kem Sokha and Ranaridh. He answered to me with his > >smiling face:
> > " Or Kun Del Ban chouy Rum Lik!! Heuy Kh-Nhom Bat ning Khet Khom Teak > >Toang Ning Pror-Mer Pror-Maul oss Lok Pror Chea Thib-ba-tei Ni Yum tang Oss > >mok Roub Roum Knea"
> > I also asked him why he uses his name for the party/? He told me " His > >party had changed from Khmer Nation Party due to adminisrative > >harassment"
> > Please do not laugh at me..
> > Or Kun, > > Meeng
> > -------------- Original message -------------- > >From: M Preuk <mpr...@sbcglobal.net> > > Dear James,
> > Thank you very much for raising these interesting points about Lok Kem > >Sokha's party. In reading through the reasons you mentioned below, I can't > >help but wondering what should the new HRP do to get an entry into the > >Cambodian political scene? Some had suggested and supported (myself > >included) a union of HRP with other parties (SRP?) as one possible > >solution. However, based on what I read recently, while it seems that some > >HRP party members may think so, it appears that Mr. Kem Sokha does not > >favor this idea very much (to be confirmed). Although in the past, Lok Kem > >Sokha said that this decision will be made by the HRP congress, it seems to > >me that this decision is already being made up as we speak.
> > Therefore, let me ask you this, if I may and if you don't mind, if you > >have the possibility of telling Lok Kem Sokha on what to do for the > >upcoming 2008 election, what would you tell him?
> > What concerns me most, is not just the fact that Lok Kem Sokha may not > >make much inroads in the 2008 election, but that he could be perceived as > >the one who helps maintain the status quo of the CPP regime. That > >perception would be disastrous not only for Lok Kem Sokha himself, but it > >could bring a lot of negative viewpoints on human rights group in Cambodia, > >and it will simply reinforce what Hun Sen said all along: that human rights > >groups and civil society in Cambodia are involved in politics. I am very > >saddened by the fact that CCHR and Voice of Democracy lost all their > >fundings, even though I know full well that this is not entirely because of > >Lok Kem Sokha's departure, but it keeps me wondering.
> > Best regards,
> > M. Preuk
> >James Sok <entry_me...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > Dear sisters and brothers:
> > Kem Sokha and supporters won't win 2008 election in Cambodia because the > >following reasons:
> > a) Not enough time to prepare for election campaign,
> > b) The group does not have clear political vision that attract voters to > >vote for it,
> > c) The group does not have prepared grassroots network,
> > d) The group does not have organized key activists in the fields,
> > f) The group does not have enough funding.
> > Kem Sokha and supporters are dreaming. They won't make it.
> > James
> > ====
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> People : Good opinion, we are very close to rescue our beloved > motherland from the Crooked People Party. Please work harder and > smarter, once voice and couple > suggestions are not enough, we need a collective ideas what best can > these people working together, from their own egos or their national > insticts.It's too bad we don't have so many good people who are caring > and working for the benefits of our people.We do what we have, we must > make effort and sacrifice to force these people learn how to work > together, otherwise we'll get nothing.I strongly believe team work, > each group has to have a good team who make everything possible for > their respective leaders to listen.The team work is the best solution > of all aspects, business and politic. So far I see Lok Sokha has a > good team mostly intellectual elites from France and USA. Puok Sdach > up to this time has a good team too, I do not know about SRP, but I > hope His Excellency will listen not from his team, at least from some > western people abroad.Everybody must agree that our nation is under > siege, Cambodian people is no longer to afford another term of CPP. > Stop emotional assumption who is CPP's spies or CPP under covers. We > are Cambodian democrats, we want to take back Cambodia from the dirty > hand of the Crooked People Party. Take advise from the pro and the > most experience people, even he or she is a NATO.
> On Jun 25, 11:51 am, "Bury Chau" <chaub...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Dear Meeng Ry:
> > Q : " This past Friday I met Lok Sam Rangsei, Lok Rong Chhun and Lok Chea > > Moni in Lowell, MA. While I met them I had a couple of conversations with > > Lok Sam Rangsei. I said to him that he should work together with others > > Democratic party as Kem Sokha and Ranaridh. He answered to me with his > > smiling face: > > " Or Kun Del Ban chouy Rum Lik!! Heuy Kh-Nhom Bat ning Khet Khom Teak > > Toang Ning Pror-Mer Pror-Maul oss Lok Pror Chea Thib-ba-tei Ni Yum tang Oss > > mok Roub Roum Knea"
> > A1 : BY JAMES SOK > > " From what I knew.... Kem Sokha did discuss about a possible coalition with > > the SRP. But the SRP welcomed him on condition that Sokha is a supporter to > > the SRP. Sokha may have a position in the SRP but not having the status of a > > partner."
> > A2 : BY BURY
> > a. The union of the 3 remain impossible so long as they do not practice the > > Khmer culture of HONESTY based on the 5 sila principles as I post in this > > forum on a daily basis. Because the 3 still are tempted to use lies to get > > what they want ....
> > b. SRP under Mr Sam Rainsi and Mme Tioulong Saumura is seen as parallel to > > the French SP of Francois Holland and Segolen Royal before they split . > > They are the 2 who are the party SRP.
> > c. SRP is infiltrated by the CPP/Viet agents , some members are Viet under > > fake Cambodian names..
> > d. SRP has close connection with the US democrate party of Senator > > Clinton......and this tunes well > > with former King Sihanouk as supporter of Chinese/NVN/VC during the Vietnam > > war.
> > e. SRP IS 1/2 part of the KHEK VANDY CLAN, the most corrupted of the > > FUNCINPEC ,and strong supporter of the CPP.
> > f. It was Khek Vandy that kicked out PRINCE RANARIDDH from FUNCINPEC .... > > not put reaksmei ... > > Khek Vandy is the QUEEN MONINEATH 'S SHADOW POWER IN CAMBODIAN > > POLITICS.....with close connection to Yuon Hanoi......
> > Dear Meeng Ry, please do not believe easily to these people ...... > > Meeng Ry is Khmer , but NGER CHHAI LIENG , A CPP/VIETNAMESE AND ALSO member > > of FUNCINPEC as Head of Camcontrol, ....... > > Meeng Ry is Khmer just like Mme Muor Sochour member of SRP? > > Check with our friend Mr MP to see if she is Khmer like Meeng Ry .
> > Meeng Ry, i AM USING MSRD tool or morphology study on Vietnamese race in > > order to arrive at this conclusion.....
> > >From: James Sok <entry_me...@yahoo.com> > > >Reply-To: angkoriansociety@googlegroups.com > > >To: AngkorSociety <angkoriansociety@googlegroups.com>, Camdisc > > ><camdisc@googlegroups.com> > > >Subject: [angkoriansociety] They do not have strategy in working > > >together.... > > >Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 07:03:28 -0700 (PDT)
> > >Dear Meeng Ry:
> > > I do not mean to give you another headache. But I like to honestly speak > > >my mind of what I feel about suggestion of forming a coalition among the > > >so-called democrats.
> > > As I already mentioned in my other post in Camdisc today, Puok Sdech and > > >SRP can possibly form a coalition again because they are having similar > > >roots and mentality, but not with Kem Sokha who used to be their servant > > >and supporter.
> > > From what I knew.... Kem Sokha did discuss about a possible coalition > > >with the SRP. But the SRP welcomed him on condition that Sokha is a > > >supporter to the SRP. Sokha may have a position in the SRP but not having > > >the status of a partner.
> > > ======
> > >meeng...@comcast.net wrote: > > > Chum reab sour Oss Lok, Camdiscers, > > > This past Friday I met Lok Sam Rangsei, Lok Rong Chhun and Lok Chea Moni > > >in Lowell, MA. While I met them I had a couple of conversations with Lok > > >Sam Rangsei. I said to him that he should work together with others > > >Democratic party as Kem Sokha and Ranaridh. He answered to me with his > > >smiling face:
> > > " Or Kun Del Ban chouy Rum Lik!! Heuy Kh-Nhom Bat ning Khet Khom Teak > > >Toang Ning Pror-Mer Pror-Maul oss Lok Pror Chea Thib-ba-tei Ni Yum tang Oss > > >mok Roub Roum Knea"
> > > I also asked him why he uses his name for the party/? He told me " His > > >party had changed from Khmer Nation Party due to adminisrative > > >harassment"
> > > Please do not laugh at me..
> > > Or Kun, > > > Meeng
> > > -------------- Original message -------------- > > >From: M Preuk <mpr...@sbcglobal.net> > > > Dear James,
> > > Thank you very much for raising these interesting points about Lok Kem > > >Sokha's party. In reading through the reasons you mentioned below, I can't > > >help but wondering what should the new HRP do to get an entry into the > > >Cambodian political scene? Some had suggested and supported (myself > > >included) a union of HRP with other parties (SRP?) as one possible > > >solution. However, based on what I read recently, while it seems that some > > >HRP party members may think so, it appears that Mr. Kem Sokha does not > > >favor this idea very much (to be confirmed). Although in the past, Lok Kem > > >Sokha said that this decision will be made by the HRP congress, it seems to > > >me that this decision is already being made up as we speak.
> > > Therefore, let me ask you this, if I may and if you don't mind, if you > > >have the possibility of telling Lok Kem Sokha on what to do for the > > >upcoming 2008 election, what would you tell him?
> > > What concerns me most, is not just the fact that Lok Kem Sokha may not > > >make much inroads in the 2008 election, but that he could be perceived as > > >the one who helps maintain the status quo of the CPP regime. That > > >perception would be disastrous not only for Lok Kem Sokha himself, but it > > >could bring a lot of negative viewpoints on human rights group in Cambodia, > > >and it will simply reinforce what Hun Sen said all along: that human rights > > >groups and civil society in Cambodia are involved in politics. I am very > > >saddened by the fact that CCHR and Voice of Democracy lost all their > > >fundings, even though I know full well that this is not entirely because of > > >Lok Kem Sokha's departure, but it keeps me wondering.
> > > Best regards,
> > > M. Preuk
> > >James Sok <entry_me...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > Dear sisters and brothers:
> > > Kem Sokha and supporters won't win 2008 election in Cambodia because the > > >following reasons:
> > > a) Not enough time to prepare for election campaign,
> > > b) The group does not have clear political vision that attract voters to > > >vote for it,
> > > c) The group does not have prepared grassroots network,
> > > d) The group does not have organized key activists in the fields,
> > > f) The group does not have enough funding.
> > > Kem Sokha and supporters are dreaming. They won't make it.
I am appeared to have different view from everybody that we Khmer cannot address our Future of Coalition for Political Democrats as serious as grave issues like poverty and Vietnam's colonization without answering a few basic questions.
First, what kind of Cambodia do we Khmer want, not just today, but twenty years from now, and how does Future of Coalition for Political Democrats think us Khmer can get there from here?
Second, what and for whom do we Khmer want our Future of Coalition for Political Democrats to stand for and fight for?
The focus of future of coalition for political democrats must be on poverty and Vietnam's colonization, I hope. The questions we Khmer ought to be asking ourselves is that what we Khmer ought to demand from our Future of Coalition for Political Democrats about how we Khmer as a nation are going to confront the very real and severe challenging we Khmer are facing, including the great moral challenge of poverty and our Khmer independence. There are a few reasons the Future of Coalition for Political Democrats should take it to contemplation, these are just my observation only.
Khmer are living in a moment of dramatic changes, and in huge global challenges. Our judiciary system, and military power are unfortunately weak, that will involve the Future of Coalition for Political Democrats to rebuild them from the defense standpoint. Our poor economy will be challenging from new forces of ASEAN, which necessitate the Future of Coalition for Political Democrats to manage our most important asset of our natural resources in an efficient way. Sacrifice, conservation, and innovation will be required.
Khmer want Cambodia to be looked up to and respected around the world; a country where is an inspiration to all common Khmer people everywhere who want to make their lives better. This means the Coalition for Political Democrats have to work to restore our Khmer legitimacy by strengthening Khmer national institutions or creating new ones; whether it's preventing Vietnam' colonization from Cambodia total destruction, ending the genocide in the future, fighting extreme poverty, eliminating the diseases that ravage Khmer societies, or encouraging and rewarding of learning is opened to every child as a concept.
Khmer want to live free from depending on donation, where our natural resources policies will reflect our pride in the blessings of beautiful and abundant natural resources, and Khmer want to have a stronger commitment from the Future of Coalition for Political Democrats to preserve our country for our farmers, our fishermen, our workers, our children, and our grand children to come. Khmer want to live in our country where Khmer value work as well as wealth, because we Khmer are only strong because our Khmer people work hard, and honest.
How the Coalition for Political Democrats respond to the fact that millions of Khmer live in poverty, and Cambodia future sovereignty will say everything about the character of their Coalition for Political Democrats goals. Future of Coalition for Political Democrats must ensure Khmer the confidences and trusts in a Party, which is willing to take stances that are right, whether or not they are popular. Possible causes of Future of Coalition for Political Democrats Failure are: (1) The pursuit of self-interest amongst politicians rather than operating on behalf of Khmer poor. (2) A tendency to look for short term solutions to the national problems rather than making measured analysis of long term considerations. (3) Imperfect information - Example, How does the Future of Coalition for Political Democrats establish what Khmer people want it to do? Our electoral system is not an ideal way to discover this!
Personally, I believe our founders of Khmer country created the country we have today because they dreamed large. They knew there were obstacles, but those obstacles didn't mean that they decided a less perfect union would be a good compromise.
Those are the questions the Future of Coalition for Political Democrats must have clear direct answers to.
Regards, K
On Jun 24, 4:23 pm, "samgoodm...@gmail.com" <samgoodm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Everybody knows full well that not only Kem Sokha will not win the > 2008 elections, no other party as well will win except the CPP and Hun > Sen will be the PM again. I'm very sure about it. Kem Sokha's party > might not win any seat at all. I doubt he will win any seat all. The > existence and the participation of Kem Sokha's party, the Norodom > Ranariddh Party, and to some extend the Funcinpec in the election will > only divide/take way the votes from the Sam Rainsy Party and in turn > help the CPP to win comfortably.
> I have said all along that the only way to have any chance of an > election victory at all the opposition forces must form an alliance > and only go to the election with only one party name on the ballot > paper. To go to the poll with many parties on the ballot paper would > only split the opposition votes. They are competing for the same > votes. And to form an alliance they must start now. The tree leaders, > Rainsy, Ranariddh and Sokha, must meet face to face to work out a > workable alliance that is lasting, even after the election. If the > alliance is not worked out in details the alliance will be broken up > like in the past again.
> The suggestion that Kem Sokha Kem should join the SRP is a remote > possibility. Sokha and Sam Rainsy are two strong willed people and > these two have ego and personality clashes that prevent them from > working together effectively in the same party. So an alliance is the > best formula for them to have a workable relationship.
> Ranariddh has that royal appeal to the rural population and can still > attract considerable support if he is allowed equal opportunity to > campaign. He can work with Rainsy because he is seen or perceived to > be a weak leader who will follow anyone's lead, as we have seen in the > past during his political relationship with Hun Sen. > But the problem with Ranariddh, as we have seen many times in the > past, is that he might be snatched from Rainsy by Hun Sen again after > the election.
> So, to answer James' question I would say this: Kem Sokha has no > chance, not the slightest, of winning the 2003 election at all. Not > even Rainsy or Ranariddh. The election winner will be the CPP. Kem > Sokha might not win a seat at all. The election results have been pre- > determined already. Even these three form an alliance and go to the > poll with only one party name on the ballot paper it is not a sure > guarantee that they will win but the alliance increases the chance of > winning. This is my opinion.
> Sam
> On Jun 25, 6:02 am, James Sok <entry_me...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Dear MP:
> > If I have an opportunity to tell Kem Sokha, I would suggest that he can either join the SRP or taking sometimes to work out a grand coalition for political campaign beyond 2008. This on condition that Kem Sokha wants to re-enter politics.
> > Kem Sokha had done a lot of things but each thing he did has a short history. People seem having difficulty in identifying his ideology belief.
> > Thank you very much for raising these interesting points about Lok Kem Sokha's party. In reading through the reasons you mentioned below, I can't help but wondering what should the new HRP do to get an entry into the Cambodian political scene? Some had suggested and supported (myself included) a union of HRP with other parties (SRP?) as one possible solution. However, based on what I read recently, while it seems that some HRP party members may think so, it appears that Mr. Kem Sokha does not favor this idea very much (to be confirmed). Although in the past, Lok Kem Sokha said that this decision will be made by the HRP congress, it seems to me that this decision is already being made up as we speak.
> > Therefore, let me ask you this, if I may and if you don't mind, if you have the possibility of telling Lok Kem Sokha on what to do for the upcoming 2008 election, what would you tell him?
> > What concerns me most, is not just the fact that Lok Kem Sokha may not make much inroads in the 2008 election, but that he could be perceived as the one who helps maintain the status quo of the CPP regime. That perception would be disastrous not only for Lok Kem Sokha himself, but it could bring a lot of negative viewpoints on human rights group in Cambodia, and it will simply reinforce what Hun Sen said all along: that human rights groups and civil society in Cambodia are involved in politics. I am very saddened by the fact that CCHR and Voice of Democracy lost all their fundings, even though I know full well that this is not entirely because of Lok Kem Sokha's departure, but it keeps me wondering.
> > Kem Sokha and supporters won't win 2008 election in Cambodia because the following reasons:
> > a) Not enough time to prepare for election campaign,
> > b) The group does not have clear political vision that attract voters to vote for it,
> > c) The group does not have prepared grassroots network,
> > d) The group does not have organized key activists in the fields,
> > f) The group does not have enough funding.
> > Kem Sokha and supporters are dreaming. They won't make it.
> > James
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Miss K, A very good overview regarding the future of Cambodia's direction. Yes, poverty and Vietnam's influence on the Cambodian leaders (CPP leaders) is worrisome. Institutional reforms (army, police, the judiciary etc.) are also in urgent need if we want a happy and prosperous Cambodia.
Khmer Young, I agree with you. Rainsy had his critics and detractors but he comes out the best among all present Cambodian politicians. Ranariddh and Hun Sen had their chance to be the PM and they have proved that they are no good. Now we need to give an opportunity to Rainsy to prove his leadership. In any coalition government Rainsy should be allowed to be the PM. I think he would do a good job, better than Ranariddh and Hun Sen but the prime ministerial term should be limited to two terms in a 4-year term like the American presidential system. 8 years is enough for the PM to prove his leadership. If he can't prove his leadership in 8 years it means he is not suitable for the job. Pure and simple!
James, I agree with your view. Rainsy and his group does not want Ranariddh to be equal partner because they perceived him as "stupid", incompetent, weak and corrupt. They think that the SRP is the only force to be reckoned with.
And you are right too that Kem Sokha has not much chance because he has no support base and funding. Kem Sokha and Rainsy can't work together under the same banner because they are two strong willed people and both of them have big egos. And I think you are right too that Rainsy wants Sokha to join his party and work under him rather than form an alliance in which Sokha can stand on equal footing with Rainsy. I think if this is the case the opposition will have no chance of defeating Hun Sen in the 2008 elections at all. They have to wait at least for another two terms, in 10 years time.
I have said all along that to have any chance of defeating Hun Sen at all the oppositions must form an alliance in which they can work together to increase the chance of defeating the CPP and for the betterment of Cambodia and her people. If each of them has ego, hidden agenda and always want to dominate the alliance I think the alliance is dead even before it is born. And the chance of defeating the CPP is nil.
Sam
On Jun 26, 9:12 am, Miss K <kemt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I am appeared to have different view from everybody that we Khmer > cannot address our Future of Coalition for Political Democrats as > serious as grave issues like poverty and Vietnam's colonization > without answering a few basic questions.
> First, what kind of Cambodia do we Khmer want, not just today, but > twenty years from now, and how does Future of Coalition for Political > Democrats think us Khmer can get there from here?
> Second, what and for whom do we Khmer want our Future of Coalition for > Political Democrats to stand for and fight for?
> The focus of future of coalition for political democrats must be on > poverty and Vietnam's colonization, I hope. The questions we Khmer > ought to be asking ourselves is that what we Khmer ought to demand > from our Future of Coalition for Political Democrats about how we > Khmer as a nation are going to confront the very real and severe > challenging we Khmer are facing, including the great moral challenge > of poverty and our Khmer independence. There are a few reasons the > Future of Coalition for Political Democrats should take it to > contemplation, these are just my observation only.
> Khmer are living in a moment of dramatic changes, and in huge global > challenges. Our judiciary system, and military power are unfortunately > weak, that will involve the Future of Coalition for Political > Democrats to rebuild them from the defense standpoint. Our poor > economy will be challenging from new forces of ASEAN, which > necessitate the Future of Coalition for Political Democrats to manage > our most important asset of our natural resources in an efficient way. > Sacrifice, conservation, and innovation will be required.
> Khmer want Cambodia to be looked up to and respected around the world; > a country where is an inspiration to all common Khmer people > everywhere who want to make their lives better. This means the > Coalition for Political Democrats have to work to restore our Khmer > legitimacy by strengthening Khmer national institutions or creating > new ones; whether it's preventing Vietnam' colonization from Cambodia > total destruction, ending the genocide in the future, fighting extreme > poverty, eliminating the diseases that ravage Khmer societies, or > encouraging and rewarding of learning is opened to every child as a > concept.
> Khmer want to live free from depending on donation, where our natural > resources policies will reflect our pride in the blessings of > beautiful and abundant natural resources, and Khmer want to have a > stronger commitment from the Future of Coalition for Political > Democrats to preserve our country for our farmers, our fishermen, our > workers, our children, and our grand children to come. Khmer want to > live in our country where Khmer value work as well as wealth, because > we Khmer are only strong because our Khmer people work hard, and > honest.
> How the Coalition for Political Democrats respond to the fact that > millions of Khmer live in poverty, and Cambodia future sovereignty > will say everything about the character of their Coalition for > Political Democrats goals. Future of Coalition for Political Democrats > must ensure Khmer the confidences and trusts in a Party, which is > willing to take stances that are right, whether or not they are > popular. Possible causes of Future of Coalition for Political > Democrats Failure are: (1) The pursuit of self-interest amongst > politicians rather than operating on behalf of Khmer poor. (2) A > tendency to look for short term solutions to the national problems > rather than making measured analysis of long term considerations. (3) > Imperfect information - Example, How does the Future of Coalition for > Political Democrats establish what Khmer people want it to do? Our > electoral system is not an ideal way to discover this!
> Personally, I believe our founders of Khmer country created the > country we have today because they dreamed large. They knew there were > obstacles, but those obstacles didn't mean that they decided a less > perfect union would be a good compromise.
> Those are the questions the Future of Coalition for Political > Democrats must have clear direct answers to.
> Regards, > K
> On Jun 24, 4:23 pm, "samgoodm...@gmail.com" <samgoodm...@gmail.com> > wrote:
> > Dear All,
> > Everybody knows full well that not only Kem Sokha will not win the > > 2008 elections, no other party as well will win except the CPP and Hun > > Sen will be the PM again. I'm very sure about it. Kem Sokha's party > > might not win any seat at all. I doubt he will win any seat all. The > > existence and the participation of Kem Sokha's party, the Norodom > > Ranariddh Party, and to some extend the Funcinpec in the election will > > only divide/take way the votes from the Sam Rainsy Party and in turn > > help the CPP to win comfortably.
> > I have said all along that the only way to have any chance of an > > election victory at all the opposition forces must form an alliance > > and only go to the election with only one party name on the ballot > > paper. To go to the poll with many parties on the ballot paper would > > only split the opposition votes. They are competing for the same > > votes. And to form an alliance they must start now. The tree leaders, > > Rainsy, Ranariddh and Sokha, must meet face to face to work out a > > workable alliance that is lasting, even after the election. If the > > alliance is not worked out in details the alliance will be broken up > > like in the past again.
> > The suggestion that Kem Sokha Kem should join the SRP is a remote > > possibility. Sokha and Sam Rainsy are two strong willed people and > > these two have ego and personality clashes that prevent them from > > working together effectively in the same party. So an alliance is the > > best formula for them to have a workable relationship.
> > Ranariddh has that royal appeal to the rural population and can still > > attract considerable support if he is allowed equal opportunity to > > campaign. He can work with Rainsy because he is seen or perceived to > > be a weak leader who will follow anyone's lead, as we have seen in the > > past during his political relationship with Hun Sen. > > But the problem with Ranariddh, as we have seen many times in the > > past, is that he might be snatched from Rainsy by Hun Sen again after > > the election.
> > So, to answer James' question I would say this: Kem Sokha has no > > chance, not the slightest, of winning the 2003 election at all. Not > > even Rainsy or Ranariddh. The election winner will be the CPP. Kem > > Sokha might not win a seat at all. The election results have been pre- > > determined already. Even these three form an alliance and go to the > > poll with only one party name on the ballot paper it is not a sure > > guarantee that they will win but the alliance increases the chance of > > winning. This is my opinion.
> > Sam
> > On Jun 25, 6:02 am, James Sok <entry_me...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > Dear MP:
> > > If I have an opportunity to tell Kem Sokha, I would suggest that he can either join the SRP or taking sometimes to work out a grand coalition for political campaign beyond 2008. This on condition that Kem Sokha wants to re-enter politics.
> > > Kem Sokha had done a lot of things but each thing he did has a short history. People seem having difficulty in identifying his ideology belief.
Your reflection is precisely. But I have some wonders in head that: - How much do we believe that the alliance can defeat CPP when the persons who will come to alliance have weak background. Rannaridh losses his trust from the people, Kem Sokha is wondering by most democratic activists as a weird person who come to political career with no base and ground, and he is really amateur and doubtful... - Alliance can destroy the strength and reputation of SRP, in that time the strongest opponent of CPP will be dissolved like the salt in the water
Now Keo Ramy has defected SRP and joined Khem Sokha...so what they are going to do next?
Need your all analysis...your information and opinion have to update now
KY
On Jun 25, 5:16 pm, "samgoodm...@gmail.com" <samgoodm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Miss K, A very good overview regarding the future of Cambodia's > direction. Yes, poverty and Vietnam's influence on the Cambodian > leaders (CPP leaders) is worrisome. Institutional reforms (army, > police, the judiciary etc.) are also in urgent need if we want a happy > and prosperous Cambodia.
> Khmer Young, I agree with you. Rainsy had his critics and detractors > but he comes out the best among all present Cambodian politicians. > Ranariddh and Hun Sen had their chance to be the PM and they have > proved that they are no good. Now we need to give an opportunity to > Rainsy to prove his leadership. In any coalition government Rainsy > should be allowed to be the PM. I think he would do a good job, better > than Ranariddh and Hun Sen but the prime ministerial term should be > limited to two terms in a 4-year term like the American presidential > system. 8 years is enough for the PM to prove his leadership. If he > can't prove his leadership in 8 years it means he is not suitable for > the job. Pure and simple!
> James, I agree with your view. Rainsy and his group does not want > Ranariddh to be equal partner because they perceived him as "stupid", > incompetent, weak and corrupt. They think that the SRP is the only > force to be reckoned with.
> And you are right too that Kem Sokha has not much chance because he > has no support base and funding. Kem Sokha and Rainsy can't work > together under the same banner because they are two strong willed > people and both of them have big egos. And I think you are right too > that Rainsy wants Sokha to join his party and work under him rather > than form an alliance in which Sokha can stand on equal footing with > Rainsy. I think if this is the case the opposition will have no chance > of defeating Hun Sen in the 2008 elections at all. They have to wait > at least for another two terms, in 10 years time.
> I have said all along that to have any chance of defeating Hun Sen at > all the oppositions must form an alliance in which they can work > together to increase the chance of defeating the CPP and for the > betterment of Cambodia and her people. If each of them has ego, hidden > agenda and always want to dominate the alliance I think the alliance > is dead even before it is born. And the chance of defeating the CPP is > nil.
> Sam
> On Jun 26, 9:12 am, Miss K <kemt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Dear Sam;
> > I am appeared to have different view from everybody that we Khmer > > cannot address our Future of Coalition for Political Democrats as > > serious as grave issues like poverty and Vietnam's colonization > > without answering a few basic questions.
> > First, what kind of Cambodia do we Khmer want, not just today, but > > twenty years from now, and how does Future of Coalition for Political > > Democrats think us Khmer can get there from here?
> > Second, what and for whom do we Khmer want our Future of Coalition for > > Political Democrats to stand for and fight for?
> > The focus of future of coalition for political democrats must be on > > poverty and Vietnam's colonization, I hope. The questions we Khmer > > ought to be asking ourselves is that what we Khmer ought to demand > > from our Future of Coalition for Political Democrats about how we > > Khmer as a nation are going to confront the very real and severe > > challenging we Khmer are facing, including the great moral challenge > > of poverty and our Khmer independence. There are a few reasons the > > Future of Coalition for Political Democrats should take it to > > contemplation, these are just my observation only.
> > Khmer are living in a moment of dramatic changes, and in huge global > > challenges. Our judiciary system, and military power are unfortunately > > weak, that will involve the Future of Coalition for Political > > Democrats to rebuild them from the defense standpoint. Our poor > > economy will be challenging from new forces of ASEAN, which > > necessitate the Future of Coalition for Political Democrats to manage > > our most important asset of our natural resources in an efficient way. > > Sacrifice, conservation, and innovation will be required.
> > Khmer want Cambodia to be looked up to and respected around the world; > > a country where is an inspiration to all common Khmer people > > everywhere who want to make their lives better. This means the > > Coalition for Political Democrats have to work to restore our Khmer > > legitimacy by strengthening Khmer national institutions or creating > > new ones; whether it's preventing Vietnam' colonization from Cambodia > > total destruction, ending the genocide in the future, fighting extreme > > poverty, eliminating the diseases that ravage Khmer societies, or > > encouraging and rewarding of learning is opened to every child as a > > concept.
> > Khmer want to live free from depending on donation, where our natural > > resources policies will reflect our pride in the blessings of > > beautiful and abundant natural resources, and Khmer want to have a > > stronger commitment from the Future of Coalition for Political > > Democrats to preserve our country for our farmers, our fishermen, our > > workers, our children, and our grand children to come. Khmer want to > > live in our country where Khmer value work as well as wealth, because > > we Khmer are only strong because our Khmer people work hard, and > > honest.
> > How the Coalition for Political Democrats respond to the fact that > > millions of Khmer live in poverty, and Cambodia future sovereignty > > will say everything about the character of their Coalition for > > Political Democrats goals. Future of Coalition for Political Democrats > > must ensure Khmer the confidences and trusts in a Party, which is > > willing to take stances that are right, whether or not they are > > popular. Possible causes of Future of Coalition for Political > > Democrats Failure are: (1) The pursuit of self-interest amongst > > politicians rather than operating on behalf of Khmer poor. (2) A > > tendency to look for short term solutions to the national problems > > rather than making measured analysis of long term considerations. (3) > > Imperfect information - Example, How does the Future of Coalition for > > Political Democrats establish what Khmer people want it to do? Our > > electoral system is not an ideal way to discover this!
> > Personally, I believe our founders of Khmer country created the > > country we have today because they dreamed large. They knew there were > > obstacles, but those obstacles didn't mean that they decided a less > > perfect union would be a good compromise.
> > Those are the questions the Future of Coalition for Political > > Democrats must have clear direct answers to.
> > Regards, > > K
> > On Jun 24, 4:23 pm, "samgoodm...@gmail.com" <samgoodm...@gmail.com> > > wrote:
> > > Dear All,
> > > Everybody knows full well that not only Kem Sokha will not win the > > > 2008 elections, no other party as well will win except the CPP and Hun > > > Sen will be the PM again. I'm very sure about it. Kem Sokha's party > > > might not win any seat at all. I doubt he will win any seat all. The > > > existence and the participation of Kem Sokha's party, the Norodom > > > Ranariddh Party, and to some extend the Funcinpec in the election will > > > only divide/take way the votes from the Sam Rainsy Party and in turn > > > help the CPP to win comfortably.
> > > I have said all along that the only way to have any chance of an > > > election victory at all the opposition forces must form an alliance > > > and only go to the election with only one party name on the ballot > > > paper. To go to the poll with many parties on the ballot paper would > > > only split the opposition votes. They are competing for the same > > > votes. And to form an alliance they must start now. The tree leaders, > > > Rainsy, Ranariddh and Sokha, must meet face to face to work out a > > > workable alliance that is lasting, even after the election. If the > > > alliance is not worked out in details the alliance will be broken up > > > like in the past again.
> > > The suggestion that Kem Sokha Kem should join the SRP is a remote > > > possibility. Sokha and Sam Rainsy are two strong willed people and > > > these two have ego and personality clashes that prevent them from > > > working together effectively in the same party. So an alliance is the > > > best formula for them to have a workable relationship.
> > > Ranariddh has that royal appeal to the rural population and can still > > > attract considerable support if he is allowed equal opportunity to > > > campaign. He can work with Rainsy because he is seen or perceived to > > > be a weak leader who will follow anyone's lead, as we have seen in the > > > past during his political relationship with Hun Sen. > > > But the problem with Ranariddh, as we have seen many times in the > > > past, is that he might be snatched from Rainsy by Hun Sen again after > > > the election.
> > > So, to answer James' question I would say this: Kem Sokha has no > > > chance, not the slightest, of winning the 2003 election
Even I do not believe in communist-controlled election, I do wish every none-communist good luck on his/her campaign. I want everyone who opposes the communist CPP win. But each of them does not have much chance because:
...........Lacking of good organization, ...........Lacking of vision, ...........Lacking of trained membership, ...........Lacking of grassroots support, ...........Lacking of diplomatic support.
ORGANIZATION: Each opposition group are heavily infiltrated by communist saboteurs. The organization structure is weaken.
VISION: Each opposition group does not have clear idea of what to do to address political, social, economic, territorial, and military problems that are threatening Cambodian people.
MEMBERSHIP: Each opposition group does not have trained membership. Their members are poorly equipped and educated. There is few political indoctrination done in refining membership.
GRASSROOTS: Each opposition group has popular support, but it does not have grassroots base of support. Opposition group does not have network and ability to gather people to vote for it in election and moving people on campaign against the communist CPP.
DIPLOMATIC SUPPORT: Each opposition group does have foreign friends but it does not have diplomatic relationship with any ideology power that provides international assistance to it.
Miss K, A very good overview regarding the future of Cambodia's direction. Yes, poverty and Vietnam's influence on the Cambodian leaders (CPP leaders) is worrisome. Institutional reforms (army, police, the judiciary etc.) are also in urgent need if we want a happy and prosperous Cambodia.
Khmer Young, I agree with you. Rainsy had his critics and detractors but he comes out the best among all present Cambodian politicians. Ranariddh and Hun Sen had their chance to be the PM and they have proved that they are no good. Now we need to give an opportunity to Rainsy to prove his leadership. In any coalition government Rainsy should be allowed to be the PM. I think he would do a good job, better than Ranariddh and Hun Sen but the prime ministerial term should be limited to two terms in a 4-year term like the American presidential system. 8 years is enough for the PM to prove his leadership. If he can't prove his leadership in 8 years it means he is not suitable for the job. Pure and simple!
James, I agree with your view. Rainsy and his group does not want Ranariddh to be equal partner because they perceived him as "stupid", incompetent, weak and corrupt. They think that the SRP is the only force to be reckoned with.
And you are right too that Kem Sokha has not much chance because he has no support base and funding. Kem Sokha and Rainsy can't work together under the same banner because they are two strong willed people and both of them have big egos. And I think you are right too that Rainsy wants Sokha to join his party and work under him rather than form an alliance in which Sokha can stand on equal footing with Rainsy. I think if this is the case the opposition will have no chance of defeating Hun Sen in the 2008 elections at all. They have to wait at least for another two terms, in 10 years time.
I have said all along that to have any chance of defeating Hun Sen at all the oppositions must form an alliance in which they can work together to increase the chance of defeating the CPP and for the betterment of Cambodia and her people. If each of them has ego, hidden agenda and always want to dominate the alliance I think the alliance is dead even before it is born. And the chance of defeating the CPP is nil.
> I am appeared to have different view from everybody that we Khmer > cannot address our Future of Coalition for Political Democrats as > serious as grave issues like poverty and Vietnam's colonization > without answering a few basic questions.
> First, what kind of Cambodia do we Khmer want, not just today, but > twenty years from now, and how does Future of Coalition for Political > Democrats think us Khmer can get there from here?
> Second, what and for whom do we Khmer want our Future of Coalition for > Political Democrats to stand for and fight for?
> The focus of future of coalition for political democrats must be on > poverty and Vietnam's colonization, I hope. The questions we Khmer > ought to be asking ourselves is that what we Khmer ought to demand > from our Future of Coalition for Political Democrats about how we > Khmer as a nation are going to confront the very real and severe > challenging we Khmer are facing, including the great moral challenge > of poverty and our Khmer independence. There are a few reasons the > Future of Coalition for Political Democrats should take it to > contemplation, these are just my observation only.
> Khmer are living in a moment of dramatic changes, and in huge global > challenges. Our judiciary system, and military power are unfortunately > weak, that will involve the Future of Coalition for Political > Democrats to rebuild them from the defense standpoint. Our poor > economy will be challenging from new forces of ASEAN, which > necessitate the Future of Coalition for Political Democrats to manage > our most important asset of our natural resources in an efficient way. > Sacrifice, conservation, and innovation will be required.
> Khmer want Cambodia to be looked up to and respected around the world; > a country where is an inspiration to all common Khmer people > everywhere who want to make their lives better. This means the > Coalition for Political Democrats have to work to restore our Khmer > legitimacy by strengthening Khmer national institutions or creating > new ones; whether it's preventing Vietnam' colonization from Cambodia > total destruction, ending the genocide in the future, fighting extreme > poverty, eliminating the diseases that ravage Khmer societies, or > encouraging and rewarding of learning is opened to every child as a > concept.
> Khmer want to live free from depending on donation, where our natural > resources policies will reflect our pride in the blessings of > beautiful and abundant natural resources, and Khmer want to have a > stronger commitment from the Future of Coalition for Political > Democrats to preserve our country for our farmers, our fishermen, our > workers, our children, and our grand children to come. Khmer want to > live in our country where Khmer value work as well as wealth, because > we Khmer are only strong because our Khmer people work hard, and > honest.
> How the Coalition for Political Democrats respond to the fact that > millions of Khmer live in poverty, and Cambodia future sovereignty > will say everything about the character of their Coalition for > Political Democrats goals. Future of Coalition for Political Democrats > must ensure Khmer the confidences and trusts in a Party, which is > willing to take stances that are right, whether or not they are > popular. Possible causes of Future of Coalition for Political > Democrats Failure are: (1) The pursuit of self-interest amongst > politicians rather than operating on behalf of Khmer poor. (2) A > tendency to look for short term solutions to the national problems > rather than making measured analysis of long term considerations. (3) > Imperfect information - Example, How does the Future of Coalition for > Political Democrats establish what Khmer people want it to do? Our > electoral system is not an ideal way to discover this!
> Personally, I believe our founders of Khmer country created the > country we have today because they dreamed large. They knew there were > obstacles, but those obstacles didn't mean that they decided a less > perfect union would be a good compromise.
> Those are the questions the Future of Coalition for Political > Democrats must have clear direct answers to.
> Regards, > K
> On Jun 24, 4:23 pm, "samgoodm...@gmail.com" > wrote:
> > Dear All,
> > Everybody knows full well that not only Kem Sokha will not win the > > 2008 elections, no other party as well will win except the CPP and Hun > > Sen will be the PM again. I'm very sure about it. Kem Sokha's party > > might not win any seat at all. I doubt he will win any seat all. The > > existence and the participation of Kem Sokha's party, the Norodom > > Ranariddh Party, and to some extend the Funcinpec in the election will > > only divide/take way the votes from the Sam Rainsy Party and in turn > > help the CPP to win comfortably.
> > I have said all along that the only way to have any chance of an > > election victory at all the opposition forces must form an alliance > > and only go to the election with only one party name on the ballot > > paper. To go to the poll with many parties on the ballot paper would > > only split the opposition votes. They are competing for the same > > votes. And to form an alliance they must start now. The tree leaders, > > Rainsy, Ranariddh and Sokha, must meet face to face to work out a > > workable alliance that is lasting, even after the election. If the > > alliance is not worked out in details the alliance will be broken up > > like in the past again.
> > The suggestion that Kem Sokha Kem should join the SRP is a remote > > possibility. Sokha and Sam Rainsy are two strong willed people and > > these two have ego and personality clashes that prevent them from > > working together effectively in the same party. So an alliance is the > > best formula for them to have a workable relationship.
> > Ranariddh has that royal appeal to the rural population and can still > > attract considerable support if he is allowed equal opportunity to > > campaign. He can work with Rainsy because he is seen or perceived to > > be a weak leader who will follow anyone's lead, as we have seen in
Many opposition politicians are acting like prostitutes. He/she switches side in a minute when the deal is right. Unlike the CPP, there is no clear ideology.
Please look at history. How many CPP politicians switched side since 1991?
Those who joined the opposition groups are not considered important CPP members. A number of them like Ung Phan is just a saboteur that was sent to destroy the opposition from inside out. Still, there are saboteurs now working quietly in the opposition groups. You must have known their names but you do not believe they are planted there to destroy the opposition. You can wait and see....
Your reflection is precisely. But I have some wonders in head that: - How much do we believe that the alliance can defeat CPP when the persons who will come to alliance have weak background. Rannaridh losses his trust from the people, Kem Sokha is wondering by most democratic activists as a weird person who come to political career with no base and ground, and he is really amateur and doubtful... - Alliance can destroy the strength and reputation of SRP, in that time the strongest opponent of CPP will be dissolved like the salt in the water
Now Keo Ramy has defected SRP and joined Khem Sokha...so what they are going to do next?
Need your all analysis...your information and opinion have to update now
KY
On Jun 25, 5:16 pm, "samgoodm...@gmail.com" wrote:
> Miss K, A very good overview regarding the future of Cambodia's > direction. Yes, poverty and Vietnam's influence on the Cambodian > leaders (CPP leaders) is worrisome. Institutional reforms (army, > police, the judiciary etc.) are also in urgent need if we want a happy > and prosperous Cambodia.
> Khmer Young, I agree with you. Rainsy had his critics and detractors > but he comes out the best among all present Cambodian politicians. > Ranariddh and Hun Sen had their chance to be the PM and they have > proved that they are no good. Now we need to give an opportunity to > Rainsy to prove his leadership. In any coalition government Rainsy > should be allowed to be the PM. I think he would do a good job, better > than Ranariddh and Hun Sen but the prime ministerial term should be > limited to two terms in a 4-year term like the American presidential > system. 8 years is enough for the PM to prove his leadership. If he > can't prove his leadership in 8 years it means he is not suitable for > the job. Pure and simple!
> James, I agree with your view. Rainsy and his group does not want > Ranariddh to be equal partner because they perceived him as "stupid", > incompetent, weak and corrupt. They think that the SRP is the only > force to be reckoned with.
> And you are right too that Kem Sokha has not much chance because he > has no support base and funding. Kem Sokha and Rainsy can't work > together under the same banner because they are two strong willed > people and both of them have big egos. And I think you are right too > that Rainsy wants Sokha to join his party and work under him rather > than form an alliance in which Sokha can stand on equal footing with > Rainsy. I think if this is the case the opposition will have no chance > of defeating Hun Sen in the 2008 elections at all. They have to wait > at least for another two terms, in 10 years time.
> I have said all along that to have any chance of defeating Hun Sen at > all the oppositions must form an alliance in which they can work > together to increase the chance of defeating the CPP and for the > betterment of Cambodia and her people. If each of them has ego, hidden > agenda and always want to dominate the alliance I think the alliance > is dead even before it is born. And the chance of defeating the CPP is > nil.
> Sam
> On Jun 26, 9:12 am, Miss K wrote:
> > Dear Sam;
> > I am appeared to have different view from everybody that we Khmer > > cannot address our Future of Coalition for Political Democrats as > > serious as grave issues like poverty and Vietnam's colonization > > without answering a few basic questions.
> > First, what kind of Cambodia do we Khmer want, not just today, but > > twenty years from now, and how does Future of Coalition for Political > > Democrats think us Khmer can get there from here?
> > Second, what and for whom do we Khmer want our Future of Coalition for > > Political Democrats to stand for and fight for?
> > The focus of future of coalition for political democrats must be on > > poverty and Vietnam's colonization, I hope. The questions we Khmer > > ought to be asking ourselves is that what we Khmer ought to demand > > from our Future of Coalition for Political Democrats about how we > > Khmer as a nation are going to confront the very real and severe > > challenging we Khmer are facing, including the great moral challenge > > of poverty and our Khmer independence. There are a few reasons the > > Future of Coalition for Political Democrats should take it to > > contemplation, these are just my observation only.
> > Khmer are living in a moment of dramatic changes, and in huge global > > challenges. Our judiciary system, and military power are unfortunately > > weak, that will involve the Future of Coalition for Political > > Democrats to rebuild them from the defense standpoint. Our poor > > economy will be challenging from new forces of ASEAN, which > > necessitate the Future of Coalition for Political Democrats to manage > > our most important asset of our natural resources in an efficient way. > > Sacrifice, conservation, and innovation will be required.
> > Khmer want Cambodia to be looked up to and respected around the world; > > a country where is an inspiration to all common Khmer people > > everywhere who want to make their lives better. This means the > > Coalition for Political Democrats have to work to restore our Khmer > > legitimacy by strengthening Khmer national institutions or creating > > new ones; whether it's preventing Vietnam' colonization from Cambodia > > total destruction, ending the genocide in the future, fighting extreme > > poverty, eliminating the diseases that ravage Khmer societies, or > > encouraging and rewarding of learning is opened to every child as a > > concept.
> > Khmer want to live free from depending on donation, where our natural > > resources policies will reflect our pride in the blessings of > > beautiful and abundant natural resources, and Khmer want to have a > > stronger commitment from the Future of Coalition for Political > > Democrats to preserve our country for our farmers, our fishermen, our > > workers, our children, and our grand children to come. Khmer want to > > live in our country where Khmer value work as well as wealth, because > > we Khmer are only strong because our Khmer people work hard, and > > honest.
> > How the Coalition for Political Democrats respond to the fact that > > millions of Khmer live in poverty, and Cambodia future sovereignty > > will say everything about the character of their Coalition for > > Political Democrats goals. Future of Coalition for Political Democrats > > must ensure Khmer the confidences and trusts in a Party, which is > > willing to take stances that are right, whether or not they are > > popular. Possible causes of Future of Coalition for Political > > Democrats Failure are: (1) The pursuit of self-interest amongst > > politicians rather than operating on behalf of Khmer poor. (2) A > > tendency to look for short term solutions to the national problems > > rather than making measured analysis of long term considerations. (3) > > Imperfect information - Example, How does the Future of Coalition for > > Political Democrats establish what Khmer people want it to do? Our > > electoral system is not an ideal way to discover this!
> > Personally, I believe our founders of Khmer country created the > > country we have today because they dreamed large. They knew there were > > obstacles, but those obstacles didn't mean that they decided a less > > perfect union would be a good compromise.
> > Those are the questions the Future of Coalition for Political > > Democrats must have clear direct answers to.
> > Regards, > > K
> > On Jun 24, 4:23 pm, "samgoodm...@gmail.com" > > wrote:
> > > Dear All,
> > > Everybody knows full well that not only Kem Sokha will not win the > > > 2008 elections, no other party as well will win except the CPP and Hun > > > Sen will be the PM again. I'm very sure about it. Kem Sokha's party > > > might not win any seat at all. I doubt he will win any seat all. The > > > existence and the participation of Kem Sokha's party, the Norodom > > > Ranariddh Party, and to some extend the Funcinpec in the election will > > > only divide/take way the votes from the Sam Rainsy Party and in turn > > > help the CPP to win comfortably.
> > > I have said all along that the only way to have any chance of an > > > election victory at all the opposition forces must form an alliance > > > and only go to the election with only one party name on the ballot > > > paper. To go to the poll with many parties on the ballot paper would > > > only split the opposition votes. They are competing for the same > > > votes. And to form an alliance they must start now. The tree leaders, > > > Rainsy, Ranariddh and Sokha, must meet face to face to work out a > > > workable alliance that is lasting, even after the election. If the > > > alliance is not worked out in details the alliance will be broken up > > > like in the past again.
> > > The suggestion that Kem Sokha Kem should join the SRP is a remote > > > possibility. Sokha and Sam Rainsy are two strong willed people and > > > these two have ego and personality clashes that prevent them from > > > working together effectively in the same party. So an alliance is the > > > best formula for them to have a workable relationship.
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