I have to disagree with you when you say the killings (genocide)
should be blamed on the Viets, Sihanouk, and the Khmer Rouge. I
firmly believe that the Khmer Rouge and the Khmer Rouge alone bear
responsibility for the killings. The reason is, during the genocide,
the Khmer Rouge leadership and the Khmer Rouge leadership alone had
total control over the country. The Khmer Rouge leadership didn't
include Sihanouk. If Vietnam had ordered or encouraged the Khmer Rouge
leadership to commit the genocide against their own people the
Cambodian people, the Khmer Rouge leadership could simply have
disobeyed the order or ignored the encouragement.
It's important to point out that no Khmer Rouge leader, be it Pol Pot
or Ieng Sary or Khieu Sampahan or even Duch, has ever accused Vietnam
of training or ordering or encouraging them to commit the genocide.
It's interesting to notice that the UN and the international community
have never accused Vietnam of playing a part in the genocide. Even the
US, who was hostile to Vietnam for having invaded Pol Pot's Kampuchea
to destroy his regime, for quite some time after the invasion, has
never accused Vietnam of being involved in the genocide.
My family and I escaped to Vietnam in about mid-August 1975, not in
April 1975. So I lived for about 4 months under the Khmer Rouge
regime. Although this may not be a very long time, I already witnessed
by my very own eyes the cruelty of the Khmer Rouge. At the very
beginning: they entered Phnom Penh and won the civil war about noon of
17 Apr 1975, (I together with other people applauded them, not because
we welcomed their victory, but because we believed the war ended and
we were happy about that), at about 2:00 pm the very same day, they
started to force people out of the capital; my family (of course
including me) and all the people in my area were forced out at about
11:30 pm; yeah, in the middle of the night. And that was only the
beginning.
It's not accurate to say that I love the Viets more than the Thais.
It's accurate to say that I experienced myself the facts that the
Viets treated the Cambodian refugees as human beings while the Thais
treated the Cambodian refugees as street dogs. Thus it's accurate to
believe that I like the Viets and dislike the Thais for t
heir treatments of the Cambodian refugees. However I'm still grateful
to Thailand for accepting Cambodian refugees, although unwillingly; it
was the UN and the international community especially the US who urged
it to do so and who paid for the costs of handling the refugees.
In Toronto Canada where I now live, a racial group (I won't specify
who they are, for fear of being accused of racism and more seriously
for fear of putting myself in a possible danger) constitute only about
10% of the population, but they commit about 90% of the reported
crimes. According to people who live here for 30 years or more, this
has been going on for at least about 30 years now. Why don't they
change themselves and abandon the lives of crime?? Because their
community leaders always blame on other races particularly the Whites
for the ills and the crimes of their members. They never look in the
mirror and try to find out what's wrong with them. This attitude of
the leaders is a license for the members to continue to commit crimes.
Similarly, the Khmers who blame other nations for the Khmers killing
the Khmers have the same attitude as the leaders of the above-
mentioned racial group. If the Khmers don't look in the mirror and try
to find out what's wrong with them but instead they blame other
nations, they send a message to other Khmers that it's ok to kill the
Khmers (you're not at fault when you kill innocent Khmers, it's the
fault of other nations), a new genocide will likely happen again, or a
series of smaller-scale massacres will take place again and again and
again. I know what's wrong: it's hatred. The Khmer Rouge committed the
genocide against the Cambodian people because they hated the Cambodian
people. I don't need to read any book about the genocide; I
experienced the Khmer Rouge regime hands-on.
Besides, when a Khmer accuses other nations of making the Khmers kill
the Khmers, he/she implicitly declares, perhaps unknowingly or
subconsciously, that the Khmers are so silly that other nations can
make them kill other Khmers.
> I have to disagree with you when you say the killings (genocide) > should be blamed on the Viets, Sihanouk, and the Khmer Rouge. I > firmly believe that the Khmer Rouge and the Khmer Rouge alone bear > responsibility for the killings. The reason is, during the genocide, > the Khmer Rouge leadership and the Khmer Rouge leadership alone had > total control over the country. The Khmer Rouge leadership didn't > include Sihanouk. If Vietnam had ordered or encouraged the Khmer Rouge > leadership to commit the genocide against their own people the > Cambodian people, the Khmer Rouge leadership could simply have > disobeyed the order or ignored the encouragement.
> It's important to point out that no Khmer Rouge leader, be it Pol Pot > or Ieng Sary or Khieu Sampahan or even Duch, has ever accused Vietnam > of training or ordering or encouraging them to commit the genocide. > It's interesting to notice that the UN and the international community > have never accused Vietnam of playing a part in the genocide. Even the > US, who was hostile to Vietnam for having invaded Pol Pot's Kampuchea > to destroy his regime, for quite some time after the invasion, has > never accused Vietnam of being involved in the genocide.
> My family and I escaped to Vietnam in about mid-August 1975, not in > April 1975. So I lived for about 4 months under the Khmer Rouge > regime. Although this may not be a very long time, I already witnessed > by my very own eyes the cruelty of the Khmer Rouge. At the very > beginning: they entered Phnom Penh and won the civil war about noon of > 17 Apr 1975, (I together with other people applauded them, not because > we welcomed their victory, but because we believed the war ended and > we were happy about that), at about 2:00 pm the very same day, they > started to force people out of the capital; my family (of course > including me) and all the people in my area were forced out at about > 11:30 pm; yeah, in the middle of the night. And that was only the > beginning.
> It's not accurate to say that I love the Viets more than the Thais. > It's accurate to say that I experienced myself the facts that the > Viets treated the Cambodian refugees as human beings while the Thais > treated the Cambodian refugees as street dogs. Thus it's accurate to > believe that I like the Viets and dislike the Thais for t > heir treatments of the Cambodian refugees. However I'm still grateful > to Thailand for accepting Cambodian refugees, although unwillingly; it > was the UN and the international community especially the US who urged > it to do so and who paid for the costs of handling the refugees.
> In Toronto Canada where I now live, a racial group (I won't specify > who they are, for fear of being accused of racism and more seriously > for fear of putting myself in a possible danger) constitute only about > 10% of the population, but they commit about 90% of the reported > crimes. According to people who live here for 30 years or more, this > has been going on for at least about 30 years now. Why don't they > change themselves and abandon the lives of crime?? Because their > community leaders always blame on other races particularly the Whites > for the ills and the crimes of their members. They never look in the > mirror and try to find out what's wrong with them. This attitude of > the leaders is a license for the members to continue to commit crimes.
> Similarly, the Khmers who blame other nations for the Khmers killing > the Khmers have the same attitude as the leaders of the above- > mentioned racial group. If the Khmers don't look in the mirror and try > to find out what's wrong with them but instead they blame other > nations, they send a message to other Khmers that it's ok to kill the > Khmers (you're not at fault when you kill innocent Khmers, it's the > fault of other nations), a new genocide will likely happen again, or a > series of smaller-scale massacres will take place again and again and > again. I know what's wrong: it's hatred. The Khmer Rouge committed the > genocide against the Cambodian people because they hated the Cambodian > people. I don't need to read any book about the genocide; I > experienced the Khmer Rouge regime hands-on.
> Besides, when a Khmer accuses other nations of making the Khmers kill > the Khmers, he/she implicitly declares, perhaps unknowingly or > subconsciously, that the Khmers are so silly that other nations can > make them kill other Khmers.
> Pheng Kim Ving
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> I have to disagree with you when you say the killings (genocide) > should be blamed on the Viets, Sihanouk, and the Khmer Rouge. I > firmly believe that the Khmer Rouge and the Khmer Rouge alone bear > responsibility for the killings. The reason is, during the genocide, > the Khmer Rouge leadership and the Khmer Rouge leadership alone had > total control over the country. The Khmer Rouge leadership didn't > include Sihanouk. If Vietnam had ordered or encouraged the Khmer Rouge > leadership to commit the genocide against their own people the > Cambodian people, the Khmer Rouge leadership could simply have > disobeyed the order or ignored the encouragement.
> It's important to point out that no Khmer Rouge leader, be it Pol Pot > or Ieng Sary or Khieu Sampahan or even Duch, has ever accused Vietnam > of training or ordering or encouraging them to commit the genocide. > It's interesting to notice that the UN and the international community > have never accused Vietnam of playing a part in the genocide. Even the > US, who was hostile to Vietnam for having invaded Pol Pot's Kampuchea > to destroy his regime, for quite some time after the invasion, has > never accused Vietnam of being involved in the genocide.
> My family and I escaped to Vietnam in about mid-August 1975, not in > April 1975. So I lived for about 4 months under the Khmer Rouge > regime. Although this may not be a very long time, I already witnessed > by my very own eyes the cruelty of the Khmer Rouge. At the very > beginning: they entered Phnom Penh and won the civil war about noon of > 17 Apr 1975, (I together with other people applauded them, not because > we welcomed their victory, but because we believed the war ended and > we were happy about that), at about 2:00 pm the very same day, they > started to force people out of the capital; my family (of course > including me) and all the people in my area were forced out at about > 11:30 pm; yeah, in the middle of the night. And that was only the > beginning.
> It's not accurate to say that I love the Viets more than the Thais. > It's accurate to say that I experienced myself the facts that the > Viets treated the Cambodian refugees as human beings while the Thais > treated the Cambodian refugees as street dogs. Thus it's accurate to > believe that I like the Viets and dislike the Thais for t > heir treatments of the Cambodian refugees. However I'm still grateful > to Thailand for accepting Cambodian refugees, although unwillingly; it > was the UN and the international community especially the US who urged > it to do so and who paid for the costs of handling the refugees.
> In Toronto Canada where I now live, a racial group (I won't specify > who they are, for fear of being accused of racism and more seriously > for fear of putting myself in a possible danger) constitute only about > 10% of the population, but they commit about 90% of the reported > crimes. According to people who live here for 30 years or more, this > has been going on for at least about 30 years now. Why don't they > change themselves and abandon the lives of crime?? Because their > community leaders always blame on other races particularly the Whites > for the ills and the crimes of their members. They never look in the > mirror and try to find out what's wrong with them. This attitude of > the leaders is a license for the members to continue to commit crimes.
> Similarly, the Khmers who blame other nations for the Khmers killing > the Khmers have the same attitude as the leaders of the above- > mentioned racial group. If the Khmers don't look in the mirror and try > to find out what's wrong with them but instead they blame other > nations, they send a message to other Khmers that it's ok to kill the > Khmers (you're not at fault when you kill innocent Khmers, it's the > fault of other nations), a new genocide will likely happen again, or a > series of smaller-scale massacres will take place again and again and > again. I know what's wrong: it's hatred. The Khmer Rouge committed the > genocide against the Cambodian people because they hated the Cambodian > people. I don't need to read any book about the genocide; I > experienced the Khmer Rouge regime hands-on.
> Besides, when a Khmer accuses other nations of making the Khmers kill > the Khmers, he/she implicitly declares, perhaps unknowingly or > subconsciously, that the Khmers are so silly that other nations can > make them kill other Khmers.
> Pheng Kim Ving
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Dear all,
My apology for cutting off.
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Sincerely,
K2
From: camdisc@googlegroups.com [mailto:camdisc@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Vonglokruta Khema
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 9:28 AM
To: camdisc ppenh; prom.samn...@yahoo.com.au
Subject: Fw: What's Wrong?? It's Hatred
> I have to disagree with you when you say the killings (genocide)
> should be blamed on the Viets, Sihanouk, and the Khmer Rouge. I
> firmly believe that the Khmer Rouge and the Khmer Rouge alone bear
> responsibility for the killings. The reason is, during the genocide,
> the Khmer Rouge leadership and the Khmer Rouge leadership alone had
> total control over the country. The Khmer Rouge leadership didn't
> include Sihanouk. If Vietnam had ordered or encouraged the Khmer Rouge
> leadership to commit the genocide against their own people the
> Cambodian people, the Khmer Rouge leadership could simply have
> disobeyed the order or ignored the encouragement.
> It's important to point out that no Khmer Rouge leader, be it Pol Pot
> or Ieng Sary or Khieu Sampahan or even Duch, has ever accused Vietnam
> of training or ordering or encouraging them to commit the genocide.
> It's interesting to notice that the UN and the international community
> have never accused Vietnam of playing a part in the genocide. Even the
> US, who was hostile to Vietnam for having invaded Pol Pot's Kampuchea
> to destroy his regime, for quite some time after the invasion, has
> never accused Vietnam of being involved in the genocide.
> My family and I escaped to Vietnam in about mid-August 1975, not in
> April 1975. So I lived for about 4 months under the Khmer Rouge
> regime. Although this may not be a very long time, I already witnessed
> by my very own eyes the cruelty of the Khmer Rouge. At the very
> beginning: they entered Phnom Penh and won the civil war about noon of
> 17 Apr 1975, (I together with other people applauded them, not because
> we welcomed their victory, but because we believed the war ended and
> we were happy about that), at about 2:00 pm the very same day, they
> started to force people out of the capital; my family (of course
> including me) and all the people in my area were forced out at about
> 11:30 pm; yeah, in the middle of the night. And that was only the
> beginning.
> It's not accurate to say that I love the Viets more than the Thais.
> It's accurate to say that I experienced myself the facts that the
> Viets treated the Cambodian refugees as human beings while the Thais
> treated the Cambodian refugees as street dogs. Thus it's accurate to
> believe that I like the Viets and dislike the Thais for t
> heir treatments of the Cambodian refugees. However I'm still grateful
> to Thailand for accepting Cambodian refugees, although unwillingly; it
> was the UN and the international community especially the US who urged
> it to do so and who paid for the costs of handling the refugees.
> In Toronto Canada where I now live, a racial group (I won't specify
> who they are, for fear of being accused of racism and more seriously
> for fear of putting myself in a possible danger) constitute only about
> 10% of the population, but they commit about 90% of the reported
> crimes. According to people who live here for 30 years or more, this
> has been going on for at least about 30 years now. Why don't they
> change themselves and abandon the lives of crime?? Because their
> community leaders always blame on other races particularly the Whites
> for the ills and the crimes of their members. They never look in the
> mirror and try to find out what's wrong with them. This attitude of
> the leaders is a license for the members to continue to commit crimes.
> Similarly, the Khmers who blame other nations for the Khmers killing
> the Khmers have the same attitude as the leaders of the above-
> mentioned racial group. If the Khmers don't look in the mirror and try
> to find out what's wrong with them but instead they blame other
> nations, they send a message to other Khmers that it's ok to kill the
> Khmers (you're not at fault when you kill innocent Khmers, it's the
> fault of other nations), a new genocide will likely happen again, or a
> series of smaller-scale massacres will take place again and again and
> again. I know what's wrong: it's hatred. The Khmer Rouge committed the
> genocide against the Cambodian people because they hated the Cambodian
> people. I don't need to read any book about the genocide; I
> experienced the Khmer Rouge regime hands-on.
> Besides, when a Khmer accuses other nations of making the Khmers kill
> the Khmers, he/she implicitly declares, perhaps unknowingly or
> subconsciously, that the Khmers are so silly that other nations can
> make them kill other Khmers.
> Pheng Kim Ving
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> I have to disagree with you when you say the killings (genocide)
> should be blamed on the Viets, Sihanouk, and the Khmer Rouge. I
> firmly believe that the Khmer Rouge and the Khmer Rouge alone bear
> responsibility for the killings. The reason is, during the genocide,
> the Khmer Rouge leadership and the Khmer Rouge leadership alone had
> total control over the country. The Khmer Rouge leadership didn't
> include Sihanouk. If Vietnam had ordered or encouraged the Khmer Rouge
> leadership to commit the genocide against their own people the
> Cambodian people, the Khmer Rouge leadership could simply have
> disobeyed the order or ignored the encouragement.
You are obsolutely right on this one. As far as we know, Vietnamese
came under under attack also. So if one think that Vietnamese were
behind all of the killing, it meant that Vietnamese didn't have enough
power to control over what Khmer Rouge had been doing. Or we can
simply say that the idea of blaming Vietnamese for what Khmer Rouge
had done to their country is just ludicrous. It's simply untrue.
On the other hand, we all agree that Sihanouk had nothing to do with
the killing at the time. No one has ever raised doubt on that.
Unfortunately, we cannot forget that Khmer Rouge could not have gained
any power without Norodom Sihanouk participation. It was Sihanouk who
got the Vitenamese to train KhmerRouge during the war against Lon Nol
regime. It was Sihanouk who called his own people to participate. Both
instances have become viable parts of the KhmerRouge victory. And they
were orchestrated by Sihanouk Hence Norodom Sihanouk is responsible
for the Khmer Rouge victory and it's consequences.
> It's important to point out that no Khmer Rouge leader, be it Pol Pot
> or Ieng Sary or Khieu Sampahan or even Duch, has ever accused Vietnam
> of training or ordering or encouraging them to commit the genocide.
> It's interesting to notice that the UN and the international community
> have never accused Vietnam of playing a part in the genocide. Even the
> US, who was hostile to Vietnam for having invaded Pol Pot's Kampuchea
> to destroy his regime, for quite some time after the invasion, has
> never accused Vietnam of being involved in the genocide.
You have to understand Cambodian mentality. They hate Vietnamese. So
anything happens in Cambodia must be the Vietnamese stuffs. You can
see it all over. Even the government in the US had learned that. We
all know it is just the hate part of the Cambodian people. It's not
what vietnamese has been doing. It means that Cambodians cannot take
their own responsibility. Instead they blame on Vietnamese because it
is easy to hide their own ugly truth.
My friend,
Look at the fact. Don't just blame on vietnamese. They may have done
alot of wrong things to Cambodia. But they are not responsible for
what Cambodians have been doing with their own hands.
It's very important that human beings should take their own
responsibility for their own acts when it comes to living in a
society. Cambodians have not been doing that. They blame Vietnamese
for what the killings committed by their own hands in their own
country. How worse can it be?
Now, I like to point out one aspect. The Khmer Rouge didn't kill just
the capitalists, the members of the old regime, and those who opposed
them (no one dared to oppose them openly during their regime). They
killed indiscriminately. They planned to massacre all the Cambodian
people who didn't live under their control during the civil war,
whether you were a cabinet minister or a sikhlo driver in the previous
regime.
Pheng Kim Ving
On Aug 18, 8:19 am, cppamerican cppamerican <cppameri...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> > I have to disagree with you when you say the killings (genocide)
> > should be blamed on the Viets, Sihanouk, and the Khmer Rouge. I
> > firmly believe that the Khmer Rouge and the Khmer Rouge alone bear
> > responsibility for the killings. The reason is, during the genocide,
> > the Khmer Rouge leadership and the Khmer Rouge leadership alone had
> > total control over the country. The Khmer Rouge leadership didn't
> > include Sihanouk. If Vietnam had ordered or encouraged the Khmer Rouge
> > leadership to commit the genocide against their own people the
> > Cambodian people, the Khmer Rouge leadership could simply have
> > disobeyed the order or ignored the encouragement.
> > It's important to point out that no Khmer Rouge leader, be it Pol Pot
> > or Ieng Sary or Khieu Sampahan or even Duch, has ever accused Vietnam
> > of training or ordering or encouraging them to commit the genocide.
> > It's interesting to notice that the UN and the international community
> > have never accused Vietnam of playing a part in the genocide. Even the
> > US, who was hostile to Vietnam for having invaded Pol Pot's Kampuchea
> > to destroy his regime, for quite some time after the invasion, has
> > never accused Vietnam of being involved in the genocide.
> > My family and I escaped to Vietnam in about mid-August 1975, not in
> > April 1975. So I lived for about 4 months under the Khmer Rouge
> > regime. Although this may not be a very long time, I already witnessed
> > by my very own eyes the cruelty of the Khmer Rouge. At the very
> > beginning: they entered Phnom Penh and won the civil war about noon of
> > 17 Apr 1975, (I together with other people applauded them, not because
> > we welcomed their victory, but because we believed the war ended and
> > we were happy about that), at about 2:00 pm the very same day, they
> > started to force people out of the capital; my family (of course
> > including me) and all the people in my area were forced out at about
> > 11:30 pm; yeah, in the middle of the night. And that was only the
> > beginning.
> > It's not accurate to say that I love the Viets more than the Thais.
> > It's accurate to say that I experienced myself the facts that the
> > Viets treated the Cambodian refugees as human beings while the Thais
> > treated the Cambodian refugees as street dogs. Thus it's accurate to
> > believe that I like the Viets and dislike the Thais for t
> > heir treatments of the Cambodian refugees. However I'm still grateful
> > to Thailand for accepting Cambodian refugees, although unwillingly; it
> > was the UN and the international community especially the US who urged
> > it to do so and who paid for the costs of handling the refugees.
> > In Toronto Canada where I now live, a racial group (I won't specify
> > who they are, for fear of being accused of racism and more seriously
> > for fear of putting myself in a possible danger) constitute only about
> > 10% of the population, but they commit about 90% of the reported
> > crimes. According to people who live here for 30 years or more, this
> > has been going on for at least about 30 years now. Why don't they
> > change themselves and abandon the lives of crime?? Because their
> > community leaders always blame on other races particularly the Whites
> > for the ills and the crimes of their members. They never look in the
> > mirror and try to find out what's wrong with them. This attitude of
> > the leaders is a license for the members to continue to commit crimes.
> > Similarly, the Khmers who blame other nations for the Khmers killing
> > the Khmers have the same attitude as the leaders of the above-
> > mentioned racial group. If the Khmers don't look in the mirror and try
> > to find out what's wrong with them but instead they blame other
> > nations, they send a message to other Khmers that it's ok to kill the
> > Khmers (you're not at fault when you kill innocent Khmers, it's the
> > fault of other nations), a new genocide will likely happen again, or a
> > series of smaller-scale massacres will take place again and again and
> > again. I know what's wrong: it's hatred. The Khmer Rouge committed the
> > genocide against the Cambodian people because they hated the Cambodian
> > people. I don't need to read any book about the genocide; I
> > experienced the Khmer Rouge regime hands-on.
> > Besides, when a Khmer accuses other nations of making the Khmers kill
> > the Khmers, he/she implicitly declares, perhaps unknowingly or
> > subconsciously, that the Khmers are so silly that other nations can
> > make them kill other Khmers.
> > Pheng Kim Ving
> > --
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> > I have to disagree with you when you say the killings (genocide)
> > should be blamed on the Viets, Sihanouk, and the Khmer Rouge. I
> > firmly believe that the Khmer Rouge and the Khmer Rouge alone bear
> > responsibility for the killings. The reason is, during the genocide,
> > the Khmer Rouge leadership and the Khmer Rouge leadership alone had
> > total control over the country. The Khmer Rouge leadership didn't
> > include Sihanouk. If Vietnam had ordered or encouraged the Khmer Rouge
> > leadership to commit the genocide against their own people the
> > Cambodian people, the Khmer Rouge leadership could simply have
> > disobeyed the order or ignored the encouragement.
> You are obsolutely right on this one. As far as we know, Vietnamese
> came under under attack also. So if one think that Vietnamese were
> behind all of the killing, it meant that Vietnamese didn't have enough
> power to control over what Khmer Rouge had been doing. Or we can
> simply say that the idea of blaming Vietnamese for what Khmer Rouge
> had done to their country is just ludicrous. It's simply untrue.
> On the other hand, we all agree that Sihanouk had nothing to do with
> the killing at the time. No one has ever raised doubt on that.
> Unfortunately, we cannot forget that Khmer Rouge could not have gained
> any power without Norodom Sihanouk participation. It was Sihanouk who
> got the Vitenamese to train KhmerRouge during the war against Lon Nol
> regime. It was Sihanouk who called his own people to participate. Both
> instances have become viable parts of the KhmerRouge victory. And they
> were orchestrated by Sihanouk Hence Norodom Sihanouk is responsible
> for the Khmer Rouge victory and it's consequences.
> > It's important to point out that no Khmer Rouge leader, be it Pol Pot
> > or Ieng Sary or Khieu Sampahan or even Duch, has ever accused Vietnam
> > of training or ordering or encouraging them to commit the genocide.
> > It's interesting to notice that the UN and the international community
> > have never accused Vietnam of playing a part in the genocide. Even the
> > US, who was hostile to Vietnam for having invaded Pol Pot's Kampuchea
> > to destroy his regime, for quite some time after the invasion, has
> > never accused Vietnam of being involved in the genocide.
> You have to understand Cambodian mentality. They hate Vietnamese. So
> anything happens in Cambodia must be the Vietnamese stuffs. You can
> see it all over. Even the government in the US had learned that. We
> all know it is just the hate part of the Cambodian people. It's not
> what vietnamese has been doing. It means that Cambodians cannot take
> their own responsibility. Instead they blame on Vietnamese because it
> is easy to hide their own ugly truth.
> My friend,
> Look at the fact. Don't just blame on vietnamese. They may have done
> alot of wrong things to Cambodia. But they are not responsible for
> what Cambodians have been doing with their own hands.
> It's very important that human beings should take their own
> responsibility for their own acts when it comes to living in a
> society. Cambodians have not been doing that. They blame Vietnamese
> for what the killings committed by their own hands in their own
> country. How worse can it be?
On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 5:16 AM, <phengkimvi...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hello cppamerican cppamerican,
> Thank you.
> Now, I like to point out one aspect. The Khmer Rouge didn't kill just > the capitalists, the members of the old regime, and those who opposed > them (no one dared to oppose them openly during their regime). They > killed indiscriminately. They planned to massacre all the Cambodian > people who didn't live under their control during the civil war, > whether you were a cabinet minister or a sikhlo driver in the previous > regime.
>> > I have to disagree with you when you say the killings (genocide) >> > should be blamed on the Viets, Sihanouk, and the Khmer Rouge. I >> > firmly believe that the Khmer Rouge and the Khmer Rouge alone bear >> > responsibility for the killings. The reason is, during the genocide, >> > the Khmer Rouge leadership and the Khmer Rouge leadership alone had >> > total control over the country. The Khmer Rouge leadership didn't >> > include Sihanouk. If Vietnam had ordered or encouraged the Khmer Rouge >> > leadership to commit the genocide against their own people the >> > Cambodian people, the Khmer Rouge leadership could simply have >> > disobeyed the order or ignored the encouragement.
>> > It's important to point out that no Khmer Rouge leader, be it Pol Pot >> > or Ieng Sary or Khieu Sampahan or even Duch, has ever accused Vietnam >> > of training or ordering or encouraging them to commit the genocide. >> > It's interesting to notice that the UN and the international community >> > have never accused Vietnam of playing a part in the genocide. Even the >> > US, who was hostile to Vietnam for having invaded Pol Pot's Kampuchea >> > to destroy his regime, for quite some time after the invasion, has >> > never accused Vietnam of being involved in the genocide.
>> > My family and I escaped to Vietnam in about mid-August 1975, not in >> > April 1975. So I lived for about 4 months under the Khmer Rouge >> > regime. Although this may not be a very long time, I already witnessed >> > by my very own eyes the cruelty of the Khmer Rouge. At the very >> > beginning: they entered Phnom Penh and won the civil war about noon of >> > 17 Apr 1975, (I together with other people applauded them, not because >> > we welcomed their victory, but because we believed the war ended and >> > we were happy about that), at about 2:00 pm the very same day, they >> > started to force people out of the capital; my family (of course >> > including me) and all the people in my area were forced out at about >> > 11:30 pm; yeah, in the middle of the night. And that was only the >> > beginning.
>> > It's not accurate to say that I love the Viets more than the Thais. >> > It's accurate to say that I experienced myself the facts that the >> > Viets treated the Cambodian refugees as human beings while the Thais >> > treated the Cambodian refugees as street dogs. Thus it's accurate to >> > believe that I like the Viets and dislike the Thais for t >> > heir treatments of the Cambodian refugees. However I'm still grateful >> > to Thailand for accepting Cambodian refugees, although unwillingly; it >> > was the UN and the international community especially the US who urged >> > it to do so and who paid for the costs of handling the refugees.
>> > In Toronto Canada where I now live, a racial group (I won't specify >> > who they are, for fear of being accused of racism and more seriously >> > for fear of putting myself in a possible danger) constitute only about >> > 10% of the population, but they commit about 90% of the reported >> > crimes. According to people who live here for 30 years or more, this >> > has been going on for at least about 30 years now. Why don't they >> > change themselves and abandon the lives of crime?? Because their >> > community leaders always blame on other races particularly the Whites >> > for the ills and the crimes of their members. They never look in the >> > mirror and try to find out what's wrong with them. This attitude of >> > the leaders is a license for the members to continue to commit crimes.
>> > Similarly, the Khmers who blame other nations for the Khmers killing >> > the Khmers have the same attitude as the leaders of the above- >> > mentioned racial group. If the Khmers don't look in the mirror and try >> > to find out what's wrong with them but instead they blame other >> > nations, they send a message to other Khmers that it's ok to kill the >> > Khmers (you're not at fault when you kill innocent Khmers, it's the >> > fault of other nations), a new genocide will likely happen again, or a >> > series of smaller-scale massacres will take place again and again and >> > again. I know what's wrong: it's hatred. The Khmer Rouge committed the >> > genocide against the Cambodian people because they hated the Cambodian >> > people. I don't need to read any book about the genocide; I >> > experienced the Khmer Rouge regime hands-on.
>> > Besides, when a Khmer accuses other nations of making the Khmers kill >> > the Khmers, he/she implicitly declares, perhaps unknowingly or >> > subconsciously, that the Khmers are so silly that other nations can >> > make them kill other Khmers.
>> > Pheng Kim Ving
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> Now, I like to point out one aspect. The Khmer Rouge didn't kill just
> the capitalists, the members of the old regime, and those who opposed
> them (no one dared to oppose them openly during their regime). They
> killed indiscriminately. They planned to massacre all the Cambodian
> people who didn't live under their control during the civil war,
> whether you were a cabinet minister or a sikhlo driver in the previous
> regime.
> > > I have to disagree with you when you say the killings (genocide)
> > > should be blamed on the Viets, Sihanouk, and the Khmer Rouge. I
> > > firmly believe that the Khmer Rouge and the Khmer Rouge alone bear
> > > responsibility for the killings. The reason is, during the genocide,
> > > the Khmer Rouge leadership and the Khmer Rouge leadership alone had
> > > total control over the country. The Khmer Rouge leadership didn't
> > > include Sihanouk. If Vietnam had ordered or encouraged the Khmer Rouge
> > > leadership to commit the genocide against their own people the
> > > Cambodian people, the Khmer Rouge leadership could simply have
> > > disobeyed the order or ignored the encouragement.
> > > It's important to point out that no Khmer Rouge leader, be it Pol Pot
> > > or Ieng Sary or Khieu Sampahan or even Duch, has ever accused Vietnam
> > > of training or ordering or encouraging them to commit the genocide.
> > > It's interesting to notice that the UN and the international community
> > > have never accused Vietnam of playing a part in the genocide. Even the
> > > US, who was hostile to Vietnam for having invaded Pol Pot's Kampuchea
> > > to destroy his regime, for quite some time after the invasion, has
> > > never accused Vietnam of being involved in the genocide.
> > > My family and I escaped to Vietnam in about mid-August 1975, not in
> > > April 1975. So I lived for about 4 months under the Khmer Rouge
> > > regime. Although this may not be a very long time, I already witnessed
> > > by my very own eyes the cruelty of the Khmer Rouge. At the very
> > > beginning: they entered Phnom Penh and won the civil war about noon of
> > > 17 Apr 1975, (I together with other people applauded them, not because
> > > we welcomed their victory, but because we believed the war ended and
> > > we were happy about that), at about 2:00 pm the very same day, they
> > > started to force people out of the capital; my family (of course
> > > including me) and all the people in my area were forced out at about
> > > 11:30 pm; yeah, in the middle of the night. And that was only the
> > > beginning.
> > > It's not accurate to say that I love the Viets more than the Thais.
> > > It's accurate to say that I experienced myself the facts that the
> > > Viets treated the Cambodian refugees as human beings while the Thais
> > > treated the Cambodian refugees as street dogs. Thus it's accurate to
> > > believe that I like the Viets and dislike the Thais for t
> > > heir treatments of the Cambodian refugees. However I'm still grateful
> > > to Thailand for accepting Cambodian refugees, although unwillingly; it
> > > was the UN and the international community especially the US who urged
> > > it to do so and who paid for the costs of handling the refugees.
> > > In Toronto Canada where I now live, a racial group (I won't specify
> > > who they are, for fear of being accused of racism and more seriously
> > > for fear of putting myself in a possible danger) constitute only about
> > > 10% of the population, but they commit about 90% of the reported
> > > crimes. According to people who live here for 30 years or more, this
> > > has been going on for at least about 30 years now. Why don't they
> > > change themselves and abandon the lives of crime?? Because their
> > > community leaders always blame on other races particularly the Whites
> > > for the ills and the crimes of their members. They never look in the
> > > mirror and try to find out what's wrong with them. This attitude of
> > > the leaders is a license for the members to continue to commit crimes.
> > > Similarly, the Khmers who blame other nations for the Khmers killing
> > > the Khmers have the same attitude as the leaders of the above-
> > > mentioned racial group. If the Khmers don't look in the mirror and try
> > > to find out what's wrong with them but instead they blame other
> > > nations, they send a message to other Khmers that it's ok to kill the
> > > Khmers (you're not at fault when you kill innocent Khmers, it's the
> > > fault of other nations), a new genocide will likely happen again, or a
> > > series of smaller-scale massacres will take place again and again and
> > > again. I know what's wrong: it's hatred. The Khmer Rouge committed the
> > > genocide against the Cambodian people because they hated the Cambodian
> > > people. I don't need to read any book about the genocide; I
> > > experienced the Khmer Rouge regime hands-on.
> > > Besides, when a Khmer accuses other nations of making the Khmers kill
> > > the Khmers, he/she implicitly declares, perhaps unknowingly or
> > > subconsciously, that the Khmers are so silly that other nations can
> > > make them kill other Khmers.
> > > Pheng Kim Ving
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The killing itself was done according to their ideology. It was not a
Vietamese orchestrated events as many people have been trying to tell
the world. I just want to point out that Cambodians like that lack of
self responsibility. They blame everything on others, and portrait
themselves to be victims. The facts show clearly how the Khmer Roiuge
did it.
They went along with their ideology and their teachers taught them.
They wanted pure society. First, they killed intellectual. Then they
killed the rest except those who were embedded into their new society
purely, mainly children.
However, Khmer Rouge was so smart to fight the war with very little
that they had. The biggest part of their puzzle was the motivation
from the peasants. They promote that group of people by inciting them
to hate those who were in the upper class. They hated so much. That
was why they fought and fought to win. Finally they had the
opportunity to revenge. They killed and killed and killed endlessly. I
don't know you remember it or not. Khmer Rouge elevated the poor
peasant class to be the upper class of the society. They could do not
wrong. They were the heart and sould of the Kampuchea communist
revolution.
It is very wrong to say that Vietnamese orchestrated all of that.
On Aug 19, 2:16 am, Pheng Kim Ving <phengkimvi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Now, I like to point out one aspect. The Khmer Rouge didn't kill just
> the capitalists, the members of the old regime, and those who opposed
> them (no one dared to oppose them openly during their regime). They
> killed indiscriminately. They planned to massacre all the Cambodian
> people who didn't live under their control during the civil war,
> whether you were a cabinet minister or a sikhlo driver in the previous
> regime.
> Pheng Kim Ving
> On Aug 18, 8:19 am, cppamerican cppamerican <cppameri...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > I have to disagree with you when you say the killings (genocide)
> > > should be blamed on the Viets, Sihanouk, and the Khmer Rouge. I
> > > firmly believe that the Khmer Rouge and the Khmer Rouge alone bear
> > > responsibility for the killings. The reason is, during the genocide,
> > > the Khmer Rouge leadership and the Khmer Rouge leadership alone had
> > > total control over the country. The Khmer Rouge leadership didn't
> > > include Sihanouk. If Vietnam had ordered or encouraged the Khmer Rouge
> > > leadership to commit the genocide against their own people the
> > > Cambodian people, the Khmer Rouge leadership could simply have
> > > disobeyed the order or ignored the encouragement.
> > > It's important to point out that no Khmer Rouge leader, be it Pol Pot
> > > or Ieng Sary or Khieu Sampahan or even Duch, has ever accused Vietnam
> > > of training or ordering or encouraging them to commit the genocide.
> > > It's interesting to notice that the UN and the international community
> > > have never accused Vietnam of playing a part in the genocide. Even the
> > > US, who was hostile to Vietnam for having invaded Pol Pot's Kampuchea
> > > to destroy his regime, for quite some time after the invasion, has
> > > never accused Vietnam of being involved in the genocide.
> > > My family and I escaped to Vietnam in about mid-August 1975, not in
> > > April 1975. So I lived for about 4 months under the Khmer Rouge
> > > regime. Although this may not be a very long time, I already witnessed
> > > by my very own eyes the cruelty of the Khmer Rouge. At the very
> > > beginning: they entered Phnom Penh and won the civil war about noon of
> > > 17 Apr 1975, (I together with other people applauded them, not because
> > > we welcomed their victory, but because we believed the war ended and
> > > we were happy about that), at about 2:00 pm the very same day, they
> > > started to force people out of the capital; my family (of course
> > > including me) and all the people in my area were forced out at about
> > > 11:30 pm; yeah, in the middle of the night. And that was only the
> > > beginning.
> > > It's not accurate to say that I love the Viets more than the Thais.
> > > It's accurate to say that I experienced myself the facts that the
> > > Viets treated the Cambodian refugees as human beings while the Thais
> > > treated the Cambodian refugees as street dogs. Thus it's accurate to
> > > believe that I like the Viets and dislike the Thais for t
> > > heir treatments of the Cambodian refugees. However I'm still grateful
> > > to Thailand for accepting Cambodian refugees, although unwillingly; it
> > > was the UN and the international community especially the US who urged
> > > it to do so and who paid for the costs of handling the refugees.
> > > In Toronto Canada where I now live, a racial group (I won't specify
> > > who they are, for fear of being accused of racism and more seriously
> > > for fear of putting myself in a possible danger) constitute only about
> > > 10% of the population, but they commit about 90% of the reported
> > > crimes. According to people who live here for 30 years or more, this
> > > has been going on for at least about 30 years now. Why don't they
> > > change themselves and abandon the lives of crime?? Because their
> > > community leaders always blame on other races particularly the Whites
> > > for the ills and the crimes of their members. They never look in the
> > > mirror and try to find out what's wrong with them. This attitude of
> > > the leaders is a license for the members to continue to commit crimes.
> > > Similarly, the Khmers who blame other nations for the Khmers killing
> > > the Khmers have the same attitude as the leaders of the above-
> > > mentioned racial group. If the Khmers don't look in the mirror and try
> > > to find out what's wrong with them but instead they blame other
> > > nations, they send a message to other Khmers that it's ok to kill the
> > > Khmers (you're not at fault when you kill innocent Khmers, it's the
> > > fault of other nations), a new genocide will likely happen again, or a
> > > series of smaller-scale massacres will take place again and again and
> > > again. I know what's wrong: it's hatred. The Khmer Rouge committed the
> > > genocide against the Cambodian people because they hated the Cambodian
> > > people. I don't need to read any book about the genocide; I
> > > experienced the Khmer Rouge regime hands-on.
> > > Besides, when a Khmer accuses other nations of making the Khmers kill
> > > the Khmers, he/she implicitly declares, perhaps unknowingly or
> > > subconsciously, that the Khmers are so silly that other nations can
> > > make them kill other Khmers.
> > > Pheng Kim Ving
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On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 5:54 PM, <therabbitn...@yahoo.com> wrote: > The killing itself was done according to their ideology. It was not a > Vietamese orchestrated events as many people have been trying to tell > the world. I just want to point out that Cambodians like that lack of > self responsibility. They blame everything on others, and portrait > themselves to be victims. The facts show clearly how the Khmer Roiuge > did it. > They went along with their ideology and their teachers taught them. > They wanted pure society. First, they killed intellectual. Then they > killed the rest except those who were embedded into their new society > purely, mainly children.
> However, Khmer Rouge was so smart to fight the war with very little > that they had. The biggest part of their puzzle was the motivation > from the peasants. They promote that group of people by inciting them > to hate those who were in the upper class. They hated so much. That > was why they fought and fought to win. Finally they had the > opportunity to revenge. They killed and killed and killed endlessly. I > don't know you remember it or not. Khmer Rouge elevated the poor > peasant class to be the upper class of the society. They could do not > wrong. They were the heart and sould of the Kampuchea communist > revolution.
> It is very wrong to say that Vietnamese orchestrated all of that.
> On Aug 19, 2:16 am, Pheng Kim Ving <phengkimvi...@gmail.com> wrote: >> Hello cppamerican cppamerican,
>> Thank you.
>> Now, I like to point out one aspect. The Khmer Rouge didn't kill just >> the capitalists, the members of the old regime, and those who opposed >> them (no one dared to oppose them openly during their regime). They >> killed indiscriminately. They planned to massacre all the Cambodian >> people who didn't live under their control during the civil war, >> whether you were a cabinet minister or a sikhlo driver in the previous >> regime.
>> Pheng Kim Ving
>> On Aug 18, 8:19 am, cppamerican cppamerican <cppameri...@gmail.com> >> wrote:
>> > > I have to disagree with you when you say the killings (genocide) >> > > should be blamed on the Viets, Sihanouk, and the Khmer Rouge. I >> > > firmly believe that the Khmer Rouge and the Khmer Rouge alone bear >> > > responsibility for the killings. The reason is, during the genocide, >> > > the Khmer Rouge leadership and the Khmer Rouge leadership alone had >> > > total control over the country. The Khmer Rouge leadership didn't >> > > include Sihanouk. If Vietnam had ordered or encouraged the Khmer Rouge >> > > leadership to commit the genocide against their own people the >> > > Cambodian people, the Khmer Rouge leadership could simply have >> > > disobeyed the order or ignored the encouragement.
>> > > It's important to point out that no Khmer Rouge leader, be it Pol Pot >> > > or Ieng Sary or Khieu Sampahan or even Duch, has ever accused Vietnam >> > > of training or ordering or encouraging them to commit the genocide. >> > > It's interesting to notice that the UN and the international community >> > > have never accused Vietnam of playing a part in the genocide. Even the >> > > US, who was hostile to Vietnam for having invaded Pol Pot's Kampuchea >> > > to destroy his regime, for quite some time after the invasion, has >> > > never accused Vietnam of being involved in the genocide.
>> > > My family and I escaped to Vietnam in about mid-August 1975, not in >> > > April 1975. So I lived for about 4 months under the Khmer Rouge >> > > regime. Although this may not be a very long time, I already witnessed >> > > by my very own eyes the cruelty of the Khmer Rouge. At the very >> > > beginning: they entered Phnom Penh and won the civil war about noon of >> > > 17 Apr 1975, (I together with other people applauded them, not because >> > > we welcomed their victory, but because we believed the war ended and >> > > we were happy about that), at about 2:00 pm the very same day, they >> > > started to force people out of the capital; my family (of course >> > > including me) and all the people in my area were forced out at about >> > > 11:30 pm; yeah, in the middle of the night. And that was only the >> > > beginning.
>> > > It's not accurate to say that I love the Viets more than the Thais. >> > > It's accurate to say that I experienced myself the facts that the >> > > Viets treated the Cambodian refugees as human beings while the Thais >> > > treated the Cambodian refugees as street dogs. Thus it's accurate to >> > > believe that I like the Viets and dislike the Thais for t >> > > heir treatments of the Cambodian refugees. However I'm still grateful >> > > to Thailand for accepting Cambodian refugees, although unwillingly; it >> > > was the UN and the international community especially the US who urged >> > > it to do so and who paid for the costs of handling the refugees.
>> > > In Toronto Canada where I now live, a racial group (I won't specify >> > > who they are, for fear of being accused of racism and more seriously >> > > for fear of putting myself in a possible danger) constitute only about >> > > 10% of the population, but they commit about 90% of the reported >> > > crimes. According to people who live here for 30 years or more, this >> > > has been going on for at least about 30 years now. Why don't they >> > > change themselves and abandon the lives of crime?? Because their >> > > community leaders always blame on other races particularly the Whites >> > > for the ills and the crimes of their members. They never look in the >> > > mirror and try to find out what's wrong with them. This attitude of >> > > the leaders is a license for the members to continue to commit crimes.
>> > > Similarly, the Khmers who blame other nations for the Khmers killing >> > > the Khmers have the same attitude as the leaders of the above- >> > > mentioned racial group. If the Khmers don't look in the mirror and try >> > > to find out what's wrong with them but instead they blame other >> > > nations, they send a message to other Khmers that it's ok to kill the >> > > Khmers (you're not at fault when you kill innocent Khmers, it's the >> > > fault of other nations), a new genocide will likely happen again, or a >> > > series of smaller-scale massacres will take place again and again and >> > > again. I know what's wrong: it's hatred. The Khmer Rouge committed the >> > > genocide against the Cambodian people because they hated the Cambodian >> > > people. I don't need to read any book about the genocide; I >> > > experienced the Khmer Rouge regime hands-on.
>> > > Besides, when a Khmer accuses other nations of making the Khmers kill >> > > the Khmers, he/she implicitly declares, perhaps unknowingly or >> > > subconsciously, that the Khmers are so silly that other nations can >> > > make them kill other Khmers.
>> > > Pheng Kim Ving
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On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 5:54 PM, <therabbitn...@yahoo.com> wrote: > The killing itself was done according to their ideology. It was not a > Vietamese orchestrated events as many people have been trying to tell > the world. I just want to point out that Cambodians like that lack of > self responsibility. They blame everything on others, and portrait > themselves to be victims. The facts show clearly how the Khmer Roiuge > did it. > They went along with their ideology and their teachers taught them. > They wanted pure society. First, they killed intellectual. Then they > killed the rest except those who were embedded into their new society > purely, mainly children.
> However, Khmer Rouge was so smart to fight the war with very little > that they had. The biggest part of their puzzle was the motivation > from the peasants. They promote that group of people by inciting them > to hate those who were in the upper class. They hated so much. That > was why they fought and fought to win. Finally they had the > opportunity to revenge. They killed and killed and killed endlessly. I > don't know you remember it or not. Khmer Rouge elevated the poor > peasant class to be the upper class of the society. They could do not > wrong. They were the heart and sould of the Kampuchea communist > revolution.
> It is very wrong to say that Vietnamese orchestrated all of that.
> On Aug 19, 2:16 am, Pheng Kim Ving <phengkimvi...@gmail.com> wrote: >> Hello cppamerican cppamerican,
>> Thank you.
>> Now, I like to point out one aspect. The Khmer Rouge didn't kill just >> the capitalists, the members of the old regime, and those who opposed >> them (no one dared to oppose them openly during their regime). They >> killed indiscriminately. They planned to massacre all the Cambodian >> people who didn't live under their control during the civil war, >> whether you were a cabinet minister or a sikhlo driver in the previous >> regime.
>> Pheng Kim Ving
>> On Aug 18, 8:19 am, cppamerican cppamerican <cppameri...@gmail.com> >> wrote:
>> > > I have to disagree with you when you say the killings (genocide) >> > > should be blamed on the Viets, Sihanouk, and the Khmer Rouge. I >> > > firmly believe that the Khmer Rouge and the Khmer Rouge alone bear >> > > responsibility for the killings. The reason is, during the genocide, >> > > the Khmer Rouge leadership and the Khmer Rouge leadership alone had >> > > total control over the country. The Khmer Rouge leadership didn't >> > > include Sihanouk. If Vietnam had ordered or encouraged the Khmer Rouge >> > > leadership to commit the genocide against their own people the >> > > Cambodian people, the Khmer Rouge leadership could simply have >> > > disobeyed the order or ignored the encouragement.
>> > > It's important to point out that no Khmer Rouge leader, be it Pol Pot >> > > or Ieng Sary or Khieu Sampahan or even Duch, has ever accused Vietnam >> > > of training or ordering or encouraging them to commit the genocide. >> > > It's interesting to notice that the UN and the international community >> > > have never accused Vietnam of playing a part in the genocide. Even the >> > > US, who was hostile to Vietnam for having invaded Pol Pot's Kampuchea >> > > to destroy his regime, for quite some time after the invasion, has >> > > never accused Vietnam of being involved in the genocide.
>> > > My family and I escaped to Vietnam in about mid-August 1975, not in >> > > April 1975. So I lived for about 4 months under the Khmer Rouge >> > > regime. Although this may not be a very long time, I already witnessed >> > > by my very own eyes the cruelty of the Khmer Rouge. At the very >> > > beginning: they entered Phnom Penh and won the civil war about noon of >> > > 17 Apr 1975, (I together with other people applauded them, not because >> > > we welcomed their victory, but because we believed the war ended and >> > > we were happy about that), at about 2:00 pm the very same day, they >> > > started to force people out of the capital; my family (of course >> > > including me) and all the people in my area were forced out at about >> > > 11:30 pm; yeah, in the middle of the night. And that was only the >> > > beginning.
>> > > It's not accurate to say that I love the Viets more than the Thais. >> > > It's accurate to say that I experienced myself the facts that the >> > > Viets treated the Cambodian refugees as human beings while the Thais >> > > treated the Cambodian refugees as street dogs. Thus it's accurate to >> > > believe that I like the Viets and dislike the Thais for t >> > > heir treatments of the Cambodian refugees. However I'm still grateful >> > > to Thailand for accepting Cambodian refugees, although unwillingly; it >> > > was the UN and the international community especially the US who urged >> > > it to do so and who paid for the costs of handling the refugees.
>> > > In Toronto Canada where I now live, a racial group (I won't specify >> > > who they are, for fear of being accused of racism and more seriously >> > > for fear of putting myself in a possible danger) constitute only about >> > > 10% of the population, but they commit about 90% of the reported >> > > crimes. According to people who live here for 30 years or more, this >> > > has been going on for at least about 30 years now. Why don't they >> > > change themselves and abandon the lives of crime?? Because their >> > > community leaders always blame on other races particularly the Whites >> > > for the ills and the crimes of their members. They never look in the >> > > mirror and try to find out what's wrong with them. This attitude of >> > > the leaders is a license for the members to continue to commit crimes.
>> > > Similarly, the Khmers who blame other nations for the Khmers killing >> > > the Khmers have the same attitude as the leaders of the above- >> > > mentioned racial group. If the Khmers don't look in the mirror and try >> > > to find out what's wrong with them but instead they blame other >> > > nations, they send a message to other Khmers that it's ok to kill the >> > > Khmers (you're not at fault when you kill innocent Khmers, it's the >> > > fault of other nations), a new genocide will likely happen again, or a >> > > series of smaller-scale massacres will take place again and again and >> > > again. I know what's wrong: it's hatred. The Khmer Rouge committed the >> > > genocide against the Cambodian people because they hated the Cambodian >> > > people. I don't need to read any book about the genocide; I >> > > experienced the Khmer Rouge regime hands-on.
>> > > Besides, when a Khmer accuses other nations of making the Khmers kill >> > > the Khmers, he/she implicitly declares, perhaps unknowingly or >> > > subconsciously, that the Khmers are so silly that other nations can >> > > make them kill other Khmers.
>> > > Pheng Kim Ving
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On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 5:16 AM, <phengkimvi...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hello cppamerican cppamerican,
> Thank you.
> Now, I like to point out one aspect. The Khmer Rouge didn't kill just > the capitalists, the members of the old regime, and those who opposed > them (no one dared to oppose them openly during their regime). They > killed indiscriminately. They planned to massacre all the Cambodian > people who didn't live under their control during the civil war, > whether you were a cabinet minister or a sikhlo driver in the previous > regime.
>> > I have to disagree with you when you say the killings (genocide) >> > should be blamed on the Viets, Sihanouk, and the Khmer Rouge. I >> > firmly believe that the Khmer Rouge and the Khmer Rouge alone bear >> > responsibility for the killings. The reason is, during the genocide, >> > the Khmer Rouge leadership and the Khmer Rouge leadership alone had >> > total control over the country. The Khmer Rouge leadership didn't >> > include Sihanouk. If Vietnam had ordered or encouraged the Khmer Rouge >> > leadership to commit the genocide against their own people the >> > Cambodian people, the Khmer Rouge leadership could simply have >> > disobeyed the order or ignored the encouragement.
>> > It's important to point out that no Khmer Rouge leader, be it Pol Pot >> > or Ieng Sary or Khieu Sampahan or even Duch, has ever accused Vietnam >> > of training or ordering or encouraging them to commit the genocide. >> > It's interesting to notice that the UN and the international community >> > have never accused Vietnam of playing a part in the genocide. Even the >> > US, who was hostile to Vietnam for having invaded Pol Pot's Kampuchea >> > to destroy his regime, for quite some time after the invasion, has >> > never accused Vietnam of being involved in the genocide.
>> > My family and I escaped to Vietnam in about mid-August 1975, not in >> > April 1975. So I lived for about 4 months under the Khmer Rouge >> > regime. Although this may not be a very long time, I already witnessed >> > by my very own eyes the cruelty of the Khmer Rouge. At the very >> > beginning: they entered Phnom Penh and won the civil war about noon of >> > 17 Apr 1975, (I together with other people applauded them, not because >> > we welcomed their victory, but because we believed the war ended and >> > we were happy about that), at about 2:00 pm the very same day, they >> > started to force people out of the capital; my family (of course >> > including me) and all the people in my area were forced out at about >> > 11:30 pm; yeah, in the middle of the night. And that was only the >> > beginning.
>> > It's not accurate to say that I love the Viets more than the Thais. >> > It's accurate to say that I experienced myself the facts that the >> > Viets treated the Cambodian refugees as human beings while the Thais >> > treated the Cambodian refugees as street dogs. Thus it's accurate to >> > believe that I like the Viets and dislike the Thais for t >> > heir treatments of the Cambodian refugees. However I'm still grateful >> > to Thailand for accepting Cambodian refugees, although unwillingly; it >> > was the UN and the international community especially the US who urged >> > it to do so and who paid for the costs of handling the refugees.
>> > In Toronto Canada where I now live, a racial group (I won't specify >> > who they are, for fear of being accused of racism and more seriously >> > for fear of putting myself in a possible danger) constitute only about >> > 10% of the population, but they commit about 90% of the reported >> > crimes. According to people who live here for 30 years or more, this >> > has been going on for at least about 30 years now. Why don't they >> > change themselves and abandon the lives of crime?? Because their >> > community leaders always blame on other races particularly the Whites >> > for the ills and the crimes of their members. They never look in the >> > mirror and try to find out what's wrong with them. This attitude of >> > the leaders is a license for the members to continue to commit crimes.
>> > Similarly, the Khmers who blame other nations for the Khmers killing >> > the Khmers have the same attitude as the leaders of the above- >> > mentioned racial group. If the Khmers don't look in the mirror and try >> > to find out what's wrong with them but instead they blame other >> > nations, they send a message to other Khmers that it's ok to kill the >> > Khmers (you're not at fault when you kill innocent Khmers, it's the >> > fault of other nations), a new genocide will likely happen again, or a >> > series of smaller-scale massacres will take place again and again and >> > again. I know what's wrong: it's hatred. The Khmer Rouge committed the >> > genocide against the Cambodian people because they hated the Cambodian >> > people. I don't need to read any book about the genocide; I >> > experienced the Khmer Rouge regime hands-on.
>> > Besides, when a Khmer accuses other nations of making the Khmers kill >> > the Khmers, he/she implicitly declares, perhaps unknowingly or >> > subconsciously, that the Khmers are so silly that other nations can >> > make them kill other Khmers.
>> > Pheng Kim Ving
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> លោក kangaroo មានយោបល់ដូចខ្ញុំបេះបិទ !សូមគាំទ្រ!!
> Sorry I can't write in English
> On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 5:54 PM, <therabbitn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > The killing itself was done according to their ideology. It was not a
> > Vietamese orchestrated events as many people have been trying to tell
> > the world. I just want to point out that Cambodians like that lack of
> > self responsibility. They blame everything on others, and portrait
> > themselves to be victims. The facts show clearly how the Khmer Roiuge
> > did it.
> > They went along with their ideology and their teachers taught them.
> > They wanted pure society. First, they killed intellectual. Then they
> > killed the rest except those who were embedded into their new society
> > purely, mainly children.
> > However, Khmer Rouge was so smart to fight the war with very little
> > that they had. The biggest part of their puzzle was the motivation
> > from the peasants. They promote that group of people by inciting them
> > to hate those who were in the upper class. They hated so much. That
> > was why they fought and fought to win. Finally they had the
> > opportunity to revenge. They killed and killed and killed endlessly. I
> > don't know you remember it or not. Khmer Rouge elevated the poor
> > peasant class to be the upper class of the society. They could do not
> > wrong. They were the heart and sould of the Kampuchea communist
> > revolution.
> > It is very wrong to say that Vietnamese orchestrated all of that.
> > On Aug 19, 2:16 am, Pheng Kim Ving <phengkimvi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Hello cppamerican cppamerican,
> >> Thank you.
> >> Now, I like to point out one aspect. The Khmer Rouge didn't kill just
> >> the capitalists, the members of the old regime, and those who opposed
> >> them (no one dared to oppose them openly during their regime). They
> >> killed indiscriminately. They planned to massacre all the Cambodian
> >> people who didn't live under their control during the civil war,
> >> whether you were a cabinet minister or a sikhlo driver in the previous
> >> regime.
> >> Pheng Kim Ving
> >> On Aug 18, 8:19 am, cppamerican cppamerican <cppameri...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> > > I have to disagree with you when you say the killings (genocide)
> >> > > should be blamed on the Viets, Sihanouk, and the Khmer Rouge. I
> >> > > firmly believe that the Khmer Rouge and the Khmer Rouge alone bear
> >> > > responsibility for the killings. The reason is, during the genocide,
> >> > > the Khmer Rouge leadership and the Khmer Rouge leadership alone had
> >> > > total control over the country. The Khmer Rouge leadership didn't
> >> > > include Sihanouk. If Vietnam had ordered or encouraged the Khmer Rouge
> >> > > leadership to commit the genocide against their own people the
> >> > > Cambodian people, the Khmer Rouge leadership could simply have
> >> > > disobeyed the order or ignored the encouragement.
> >> > > It's important to point out that no Khmer Rouge leader, be it Pol Pot
> >> > > or Ieng Sary or Khieu Sampahan or even Duch, has ever accused Vietnam
> >> > > of training or ordering or encouraging them to commit the genocide.
> >> > > It's interesting to notice that the UN and the international community
> >> > > have never accused Vietnam of playing a part in the genocide. Even the
> >> > > US, who was hostile to Vietnam for having invaded Pol Pot's Kampuchea
> >> > > to destroy his regime, for quite some time after the invasion, has
> >> > > never accused Vietnam of being involved in the genocide.
> >> > > My family and I escaped to Vietnam in about mid-August 1975, not in
> >> > > April 1975. So I lived for about 4 months under the Khmer Rouge
> >> > > regime. Although this may not be a very long time, I already witnessed
> >> > > by my very own eyes the cruelty of the Khmer Rouge. At the very
> >> > > beginning: they entered Phnom Penh and won the civil war about noon of
> >> > > 17 Apr 1975, (I together with other people applauded them, not because
> >> > > we welcomed their victory, but because we believed the war ended and
> >> > > we were happy about that), at about 2:00 pm the very same day, they
> >> > > started to force people out of the capital; my family (of course
> >> > > including me) and all the people in my area were forced out at about
> >> > > 11:30 pm; yeah, in the middle of the night. And that was only the
> >> > > beginning.
> >> > > It's not accurate to say that I love the Viets more than the Thais.
> >> > > It's accurate to say that I experienced myself the facts that the
> >> > > Viets treated the Cambodian refugees as human beings while the Thais
> >> > > treated the Cambodian refugees as street dogs. Thus it's accurate to
> >> > > believe that I like the Viets and dislike the Thais for t
> >> > > heir treatments of the Cambodian refugees. However I'm still grateful
> >> > > to Thailand for accepting Cambodian refugees, although unwillingly; it
> >> > > was the UN and the international community especially the US who urged
> >> > > it to do so and who paid for the costs of handling the refugees.
> >> > > In Toronto Canada where I now live, a racial group (I won't specify
> >> > > who they are, for fear of being accused of racism and more seriously
> >> > > for fear of putting myself in a possible danger) constitute only about
> >> > > 10% of the population, but they commit about 90% of the reported
> >> > > crimes. According to people who live here for 30 years or more, this
> >> > > has been going on for at least about 30 years now. Why don't they
> >> > > change themselves and abandon the lives of crime?? Because their
> >> > > community leaders always blame on other races particularly the Whites
> >> > > for the ills and the crimes of their members. They never look in the
> >> > > mirror and try to find out what's wrong with them. This attitude of
> >> > > the leaders is a license for the members to continue to commit crimes.
> >> > > Similarly, the Khmers who blame other nations for the Khmers killing
> >> > > the Khmers have the same attitude as the leaders of the above-
> >> > > mentioned racial group. If the Khmers don't look in the mirror and try
> >> > > to find out what's wrong with them but instead they blame other
> >> > > nations, they send a message to other Khmers that it's ok to kill the
> >> > > Khmers (you're not at fault when you kill innocent Khmers, it's the
> >> > > fault of other nations), a new genocide will likely happen again, or a
> >> > > series of smaller-scale massacres will take place again and again and
> >> > > again. I know what's wrong: it's hatred. The Khmer Rouge committed the
> >> > > genocide against the Cambodian people because they hated the Cambodian
> >> > > people. I don't need to read any book about the genocide; I
> >> > > experienced the Khmer Rouge regime hands-on.
> >> > > Besides, when a Khmer accuses other nations of making the Khmers kill
> >> > > the Khmers, he/she implicitly declares, perhaps unknowingly or
> >> > > subconsciously, that the Khmers are so silly that other nations can
> >> > > make them kill other Khmers.
> >> > > Pheng Kim Ving
> >> > > --
> >> > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Cambodia Discussion (CAMDISC) -www.cambodia.org" group.
> >> > > This is an unmoderated forum. Please refrain from using foul language.
> >> > > Thank you for your understanding. Peace among us and in Cambodia.
> >> > > To post to this group, send email to camdisc@googlegroups.com
> >> > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to camdisc-unsubscribe@googlegroups.com
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On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 5:16 AM, <phengkimvi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello cppamerican cppamerican,
> Thank you.
> Now, I like to point out one aspect. The Khmer Rouge didn't kill just
> the capitalists, the members of the old regime, and those who opposed
> them (no one dared to oppose them openly during their regime). They
> killed indiscriminately. They planned to massacre all the Cambodian
> people who didn't live under their control during the civil war,
> whether you were a cabinet minister or a sikhlo driver in the previous
> regime.
>> > I have to disagree with you when you say the killings (genocide)
>> > should be blamed on the Viets, Sihanouk, and the Khmer Rouge. I
>> > firmly believe that the Khmer Rouge and the Khmer Rouge alone bear
>> > responsibility for the killings. The reason is, during the genocide,
>> > the Khmer Rouge leadership and the Khmer Rouge leadership alone had
>> > total control over the country. The Khmer Rouge leadership didn't
>> > include Sihanouk. If Vietnam had ordered or encouraged the Khmer Rouge
>> > leadership to commit the genocide against their own people the
>> > Cambodian people, the Khmer Rouge leadership could simply have
>> > disobeyed the order or ignored the encouragement.
>> > It's important to point out that no Khmer Rouge leader, be it Pol Pot
>> > or Ieng Sary or Khieu Sampahan or even Duch, has ever accused Vietnam
>> > of training or ordering or encouraging them to commit the genocide.
>> > It's interesting to notice that the UN and the international community
>> > have never accused Vietnam of playing a part in the genocide. Even the
>> > US, who was hostile to Vietnam for having invaded Pol Pot's Kampuchea
>> > to destroy his regime, for quite some time after the invasion, has
>> > never accused Vietnam of being involved in the genocide.
>> > My family and I escaped to Vietnam in about mid-August 1975, not in
>> > April 1975. So I lived for about 4 months under the Khmer Rouge
>> > regime. Although this may not be a very long time, I already witnessed
>> > by my very own eyes the cruelty of the Khmer Rouge. At the very
>> > beginning: they entered Phnom Penh and won the civil war about noon of
>> > 17 Apr 1975, (I together with other people applauded them, not because
>> > we welcomed their victory, but because we believed the war ended and
>> > we were happy about that), at about 2:00 pm the very same day, they
>> > started to force people out of the capital; my family (of course
>> > including me) and all the people in my area were forced out at about
>> > 11:30 pm; yeah, in the middle of the night. And that was only the
>> > beginning.
>> > It's not accurate to say that I love the Viets more than the Thais.
>> > It's accurate to say that I experienced myself the facts that the
>> > Viets treated the Cambodian refugees as human beings while the Thais
>> > treated the Cambodian refugees as street dogs. Thus it's accurate to
>> > believe that I like the Viets and dislike the Thais for t
>> > heir treatments of the Cambodian refugees. However I'm still grateful
>> > to Thailand for accepting Cambodian refugees, although unwillingly; it
>> > was the UN and the international community especially the US who urged
>> > it to do so and who paid for the costs of handling the refugees.
>> > In Toronto Canada where I now live, a racial group (I won't specify
>> > who they are, for fear of being accused of racism and more seriously
>> > for fear of putting myself in a possible danger) constitute only about
>> > 10% of the population, but they commit about 90% of the reported
>> > crimes. According to people who live here for 30 years or more, this
>> > has been going on for at least about 30 years now. Why don't they
>> > change themselves and abandon the lives of crime?? Because their
>> > community leaders always blame on other races particularly the Whites
>> > for the ills and the crimes of their members. They never look in the
>> > mirror and try to find out what's wrong with them. This attitude of
>> > the leaders is a license for the members to continue to commit crimes.
>> > Similarly, the Khmers who blame other nations for the Khmers killing
>> > the Khmers have the same attitude as the leaders of the above-
>> > mentioned racial group. If the Khmers don't look in the mirror and try
>> > to find out what's wrong with them but instead they blame other
>> > nations, they send a message to other
--- On Thu, 8/19/10, cppamerican cppamerican <cppameri...@gmail.com> wrote:
From: cppamerican cppamerican <cppameri...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: What's Wrong?? It's Hatred To: camdisc@googlegroups.com Date: Thursday, August 19, 2010, 5:02 PM
លោក kangaroo មានយោបល់ដូចខ្ញុំបេះបិទ !សូមគាំទ្រ!! Sorry I can't write in English
On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 5:54 PM, <therabbitn...@yahoo.com> wrote: > The killing itself was done according to their ideology. It was not a > Vietamese orchestrated events as many people have been trying to tell > the world. I just want to point out that Cambodians like that lack of > self responsibility. They blame everything on others, and portrait > themselves to be victims. The facts show clearly how the Khmer Roiuge > did it. > They went along with their ideology and their teachers taught them. > They wanted pure society. First, they killed intellectual. Then they > killed the rest except those who were embedded into their new society > purely, mainly children. > > However, Khmer Rouge was so smart to fight the war with very little > that they had. The biggest part of their puzzle was the motivation > from the peasants. They promote that group of people by inciting them > to hate those who were in the upper class. They hated so much. That > was why they fought and fought to win. Finally they had the > opportunity to revenge. They killed and killed and killed endlessly. I > don't know you remember it or not. Khmer Rouge elevated the poor > peasant class to be the upper class of the society. They could do not > wrong. They were the heart and sould of the Kampuchea communist > revolution. > > It is very wrong to say that Vietnamese orchestrated all of that. > > On Aug 19, 2:16 am, Pheng Kim Ving <phengkimvi...@gmail.com> wrote: >> Hello cppamerican cppamerican, >> >> Thank you. >> >> Now, I like to point out one aspect. The Khmer Rouge didn't kill just >> the capitalists, the members of the old regime, and those who opposed >> them (no one dared to oppose them openly during their regime). They >> killed indiscriminately. They planned to massacre all the Cambodian >> people who didn't live under their control during the civil war, >> whether you were a cabinet minister or a sikhlo driver in the previous >> regime. >> >> Pheng Kim Ving >> >> On Aug 18, 8:19 am, cppamerican cppamerican <cppameri...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> > សូមគាំទ្រការអត្ថាធិប្បាយរបស់់លោកPheng Kim Ving! >> > វាពិតណាស់ ការសម្លាប់រង្គាលក្រោមរបបកម្ពុជាប្រជាធិបតេយ្យ >> > គឺមកពីខ្មែរមកពីពួកខ្មែរក្រហមជ្រុលនិយមខ្លួនឯងហ្នឹង មានផែនការឆ្កួតលីលា >> > ដោយពួកគេចង់បានសង្គមមួយស្អាតស្អំល្អឥតខ្ចះ >> > យោងទៅតាមពួកនេះ គឺពួកគេត្រូវកម្ចាត់ឲ្យអស់នូវខ្មាំងសត្រូវ >> > អ្នកប្រឆាំងបដិវត្ត ពួកនាយទុន ពួកសក្តិភូមិប្រតិកិរិយា >> > ជាពិសេសគឺការធ្វើសង្រ្គាមវណ្ណះ។ ការទម្លាក់កំហុស ទៅលើបរទេស >> > ថាដែលជាអ្នកញុះញុងបណ្តាលឲ្យមានការសម្លាប់រង្គាលនោះ គឺមិនអាចទទួលយកបានឡើយ >> > ។ >> >> > On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 7:55 AM, <phengkimvi...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > > Re:http://groups.google.com/group/camdisc/browse_thread/thread/c159a7a28... >> >> > > Suorsdey Loork Khoar Chev, >> >> > > I have to disagree with you when you say the killings (genocide) >> > > should be blamed on the Viets, Sihanouk, and the Khmer Rouge. I >> > > firmly believe that the Khmer Rouge and the Khmer Rouge alone bear >> > > responsibility for the killings. The reason is, during the genocide, >> > > the Khmer Rouge leadership and the Khmer Rouge leadership alone had >> > > total control over the country. The Khmer Rouge leadership didn't >> > > include Sihanouk. If Vietnam had ordered or encouraged the Khmer Rouge >> > > leadership to commit the genocide against their own people the >> > > Cambodian people, the Khmer Rouge leadership could simply have >> > > disobeyed the order or ignored the encouragement. >> >> > > It's important to point out that no Khmer Rouge leader, be it Pol Pot >> > > or Ieng Sary or Khieu Sampahan or even Duch, has ever accused Vietnam >> > > of training or ordering or encouraging them to commit the genocide. >> > > It's interesting to notice that the UN and the international community >> > > have never accused Vietnam of playing a part in the genocide. Even the >> > > US, who was hostile to Vietnam for having invaded Pol Pot's Kampuchea >> > > to destroy his regime, for quite some time after the invasion, has >> > > never accused Vietnam of being involved in the genocide. >> >> > > My family and I escaped to Vietnam in about mid-August 1975, not in >> > > April 1975. So I lived for about 4 months under the Khmer Rouge >> > > regime. Although this may not be a very long time, I already witnessed >> > > by my very own eyes the cruelty of the Khmer Rouge. At the very >> > > beginning: they entered Phnom Penh and won the civil war about noon of >> > > 17 Apr 1975, (I together with other people applauded them, not because >> > > we welcomed their victory, but because we believed the war ended and >> > > we were happy about that), at about 2:00 pm the very same day, they >> > > started to force people out of the capital; my family (of course >> > > including me) and all the people in my area were forced out at about >> > > 11:30 pm; yeah, in the middle of the night. And that was only the >> > > beginning. >> >> > > It's not accurate to say that I love the Viets more than the Thais. >> > > It's accurate to say that I experienced myself the facts that the >> > > Viets treated the Cambodian refugees as human beings while the Thais >> > > treated the Cambodian refugees as street dogs. Thus it's accurate to >> > > believe that I like the Viets and dislike the Thais for t >> > > heir treatments of the Cambodian refugees. However I'm still grateful >> > > to Thailand for accepting Cambodian refugees, although unwillingly; it >> > > was the UN and the international community especially the US who urged >> > > it to do so and who paid for the costs of handling the refugees. >> >> > > In Toronto Canada where I now live, a racial group (I won't specify >> > > who they are, for fear of being accused of racism and more seriously >> > > for fear of putting myself in a possible danger) constitute only about >> > > 10% of the population, but they commit about 90% of the reported >> > > crimes. According to people who live here for 30 years or more, this >> > > has been going on for at least about 30 years now. Why don't they >> > > change themselves and abandon the lives of crime?? Because their >> > > community leaders always blame on other races particularly the Whites >> > > for the ills and the crimes of their members. They never look in the >> > > mirror and try to find out what's wrong with them. This attitude of >> > > the leaders is a license for the members to continue to commit crimes. >> >> > > Similarly, the Khmers who blame other nations for the Khmers killing >> > > the Khmers have the same attitude as the leaders of the above- >> > > mentioned racial group. If the Khmers don't look in the mirror and try >> > > to find out what's wrong with them but instead they blame other >> > > nations, they send a message to other Khmers that it's ok to kill the >> > > Khmers (you're not at fault when you kill innocent Khmers, it's the >> > > fault of other nations), a new genocide will likely happen again, or a >> > > series of smaller-scale massacres will
...
On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 5:16 AM, <phengkimvi...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hello cppamerican cppamerican,
> Thank you.
> Now, I like to point out one aspect. The Khmer Rouge didn't kill just > the capitalists, the members of the old regime, and those who opposed > them (no one dared to oppose them openly during their regime). They > killed indiscriminately. They planned to massacre all the Cambodian > people who didn't live under their control during the civil war, > whether you were a cabinet minister or a sikhlo driver in the previous > regime.
>> > I have to disagree with you when you say the killings (genocide) >> > should be blamed on the Viets, Sihanouk, and the Khmer Rouge. I >> > firmly believe that the Khmer Rouge and the Khmer Rouge alone bear >> > responsibility for the killings. The reason is, during the genocide, >> > the Khmer Rouge leadership and the Khmer Rouge leadership alone had >> > total control over the country. The Khmer Rouge leadership didn't >> > include Sihanouk. If Vietnam had ordered or encouraged the Khmer Rouge >> > leadership to commit the genocide against their own people the >> > Cambodian people, the Khmer Rouge leadership could simply have >> > disobeyed the order or ignored the encouragement.
>> > It's important to point out that no Khmer Rouge leader, be it Pol Pot >> > or Ieng Sary or Khieu Sampahan or even Duch, has ever accused Vietnam >> > of training or ordering or encouraging them to commit the genocide. >> > It's interesting to notice that the UN and the international community >> > have never accused Vietnam of playing a part in the genocide. Even the >> > US, who was hostile to Vietnam for having invaded Pol Pot's Kampuchea >> > to destroy his regime, for quite some time after the invasion, has >> > never accused Vietnam of being involved in the genocide.
>> > My family and I escaped to Vietnam in about mid-August 1975, not in >> > April 1975. So I lived for about 4 months under the Khmer Rouge >> > regime. Although this may not be a very long time, I already witnessed >> > by my very own eyes the
> លោក kangaroo មានយោបល់ដូចខ្ញុំបេះបិទ !សូមគាំទ្រ!! > Sorry I can't write in English
> On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 5:54 PM, <therabbitn...@yahoo.com<http://mc/compose?to=therabbitn...@yahoo.com>> > wrote: > > The killing itself was done according to their ideology. It was not a > > Vietamese orchestrated events as many people have been trying to tell > > the world. I just want to point out that Cambodians like that lack of > > self responsibility. They blame everything on others, and portrait > > themselves to be victims. The facts show clearly how the Khmer Roiuge > > did it. > > They went along with their ideology and their teachers taught them. > > They wanted pure society. First, they killed intellectual. Then they > > killed the rest except those who were embedded into their new society > > purely, mainly children.
> > However, Khmer Rouge was so smart to fight the war with very little > > that they had. The biggest part of their puzzle was the motivation > > from the peasants. They promote that group of people by inciting them > > to hate those who were in the upper class. They hated so much. That > > was why they fought and fought to win. Finally they had the > > opportunity to revenge. They killed and killed and killed endlessly. I > > don't know you remember it or not. Khmer Rouge elevated the poor > > peasant class to be the upper class of the society. They could do not > > wrong. They were the heart and sould of the Kampuchea communist > > revolution.
> > It is very wrong to say that Vietnamese orchestrated all of that.
> > On Aug 19, 2:16 am, Pheng Kim Ving <phengkimvi...@gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=phengkimvi...@gmail.com>> > wrote: > >> Hello cppamerican cppamerican,
> >> Thank you.
> >> Now, I like to point out one aspect. The Khmer Rouge didn't kill just > >> the capitalists, the members of the old regime, and those who opposed > >> them (no one dared to oppose them openly during their regime). They > >> killed indiscriminately. They planned to massacre all the Cambodian > >> people who didn't live under their control during the civil war, > >> whether you were a cabinet minister or a sikhlo driver in the previous > >> regime.
> >> Pheng Kim Ving
> >> On Aug 18, 8:19 am, cppamerican cppamerican <cppameri...@gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=cppameri...@gmail.com>
> >> > > I have to disagree with you when you say the killings (genocide) > >> > > should be blamed on the Viets, Sihanouk, and the Khmer Rouge. I > >> > > firmly believe that the Khmer Rouge and the Khmer Rouge alone bear > >> > > responsibility for the killings. The reason is, during the genocide, > >> > > the Khmer Rouge leadership and the Khmer Rouge leadership alone had > >> > > total control over the country. The Khmer Rouge leadership didn't > >> > > include Sihanouk. If Vietnam had ordered or encouraged the Khmer > Rouge > >> > > leadership to commit the genocide against their own people the > >> > > Cambodian people, the Khmer Rouge leadership could simply have > >> > > disobeyed the order or ignored the encouragement.
> >> > > It's important to point out that no Khmer Rouge leader, be it Pol > Pot > >> > > or Ieng Sary or Khieu Sampahan or even Duch, has ever accused > Vietnam > >> > > of training or ordering or encouraging them to commit the genocide. > >> > > It's interesting to notice that the UN and the international > community > >> > > have never accused Vietnam of playing a part in the genocide. Even > the > >> > > US, who was hostile to Vietnam for having invaded Pol Pot's > Kampuchea > >> > > to destroy his regime, for quite some time after the invasion, has > >> > > never accused Vietnam of being involved in the genocide.
> >> > > My family and I escaped to Vietnam in about mid-August 1975, not in > >> > > April 1975. So I lived for about 4 months under the Khmer Rouge > >> > > regime. Although this may not be a very long time, I already > witnessed > >> > > by my very own eyes the cruelty of the Khmer Rouge. At the very > >> > > beginning: they entered Phnom Penh and won the civil war about noon > of > >> > > 17 Apr 1975, (I together with other people applauded them, not > because > >> > > we welcomed their victory, but because we believed the war ended and > >> > > we were happy about that), at about 2:00 pm the very same day, they > >> > > started to force people out of the capital; my family (of course > >> > > including me) and all the people in my area were forced out at about > >> > > 11:30 pm; yeah, in the middle of the night. And that was only the > >> > > beginning.
> >> > > It's not accurate to say that I love the Viets more than the Thais. > >> > > It's accurate to say that I experienced myself the facts that the > >> > > Viets treated the Cambodian refugees as human beings while the Thais > >> > > treated the Cambodian refugees as street dogs. Thus it's accurate to > >> > > believe that I like the Viets and dislike the Thais for t > >> > > heir treatments of the Cambodian refugees. However I'm still > grateful > >> > > to Thailand for accepting Cambodian refugees, although unwillingly; > it > >> > > was the UN and the international community especially the US who > urged > >> > > it to do so and who paid for the costs of handling the refugees.
> >> > > In Toronto Canada where I now live, a racial group (I won't specify > >> > > who they are, for fear of being accused of racism and more seriously > >> > > for fear of putting myself in a possible danger) constitute only > about > >> > > 10% of the population, but they commit about 90% of the reported > >> > > crimes. According to people who live here for 30 years or more, this > >> > > has been going on for at least about 30 years now. Why don't they > >> > > change
Dear Pheng Kim Ving,
I am glad that you have refrained yourself from being too harsh to Lok KC.
I sense that you have good heart and intention about our homeland, and proud to have you in the forum.
Your opinion about Cambodia situation is honest and unpolluted thought.
However, as a forum member may I suggest you one thing?
Please kindly careful when voicing your opinion about Cambodia;
you honest and life-long grateful think may ruin the benefit of our Motherland instead of helping her.
As time goes on in your journey of life tackling with more difficult challenges; you may then
turn around and appreciate my sincere suggestion.
With Warm Regards,
K2
From: camdisc@googlegroups.com [mailto:camdisc@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Khoar Chev
Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 12:57 AM
To: camdisc@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: What's Wrong?? It's Hatred
On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 5:54 PM, <therabbitn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> The killing itself was done according to their ideology. It was not a
> Vietamese orchestrated events as many people have been trying to tell
> the world. I just want to point out that Cambodians like that lack of
> self responsibility. They blame everything on others, and portrait
> themselves to be victims. The facts show clearly how the Khmer Roiuge
> did it.
> They went along with their ideology and their teachers taught them.
> They wanted pure society. First, they killed intellectual. Then they
> killed the rest except those who were embedded into their new society
> purely, mainly children.
> However, Khmer Rouge was so smart to fight the war with very little
> that they had. The biggest part of their puzzle was the motivation
> from the peasants. They promote that group of people by inciting them
> to hate those who were in the upper class. They hated so much. That
> was why they fought and fought to win. Finally they had the
> opportunity to revenge. They killed and killed and killed endlessly. I
> don't know you remember it or not. Khmer Rouge elevated the poor
> peasant class to be the upper class of the society. They could do not
> wrong. They were the heart and sould of the Kampuchea communist
> revolution.
> It is very wrong to say that Vietnamese orchestrated all of that.
> On Aug 19, 2:16 am, Pheng Kim Ving <phengkimvi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hello cppamerican cppamerican,
>> Thank you.
>> Now, I like to point out one aspect. The Khmer Rouge didn't kill just
>> the capitalists, the members of the old regime, and those who opposed
>> them (no one dared to oppose them openly during their regime). They
>> killed indiscriminately. They planned to massacre all the Cambodian
>> people who didn't live under their control during the civil war,
>> whether you were a cabinet minister or a sikhlo driver in the previous
>> regime.
>> Pheng Kim Ving
>> On Aug 18, 8:19 am, cppamerican cppamerican <cppameri...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > > I have to disagree with you when you say the killings (genocide)
>> > > should be blamed on the Viets, Sihanouk, and the Khmer Rouge. I
>> > > firmly believe that the Khmer Rouge and the Khmer Rouge alone bear
>> > > responsibility for the killings. The reason is, during the genocide,
>> > > the Khmer Rouge leadership and the Khmer Rouge leadership alone had
>> > > total control over the country. The Khmer Rouge leadership didn't
>> > > include Sihanouk. If Vietnam had ordered or encouraged the Khmer Rouge
>> > > leadership to commit the genocide against their own people the
>> > > Cambodian people, the Khmer Rouge leadership could simply have
>> > > disobeyed the order or ignored the encouragement.
>> > > It's important to point out that no Khmer Rouge leader, be it Pol Pot
>> > > or Ieng Sary or Khieu Sampahan or even Duch, has ever accused Vietnam
>> > > of training or ordering or encouraging them to commit the genocide.
>> > > It's interesting to notice that the UN and the international community
>> > > have never accused Vietnam of playing a part in the genocide. Even the
>> > > US, who was hostile to Vietnam for having invaded Pol Pot's Kampuchea
>> > > to destroy his regime, for quite some time after the invasion, has
>> > > never accused Vietnam of being involved in the genocide.
>> > > My family and I escaped to Vietnam in about mid-August 1975, not in
>> > > April 1975. So I lived for about 4 months under the Khmer Rouge
>> > > regime. Although this may not be a very long time, I already witnessed
>> > > by my very own eyes the cruelty of the Khmer Rouge. At the very
>> > > beginning: they entered Phnom Penh and won the civil war about noon of
>> > > 17 Apr 1975, (I together with other people applauded them, not because
>> > > we welcomed their victory, but because we believed the war ended and
>> > > we were happy about that), at about 2:00 pm the very same day, they
>> > > started to force people out of the capital; my family (of course
>> > > including me) and all the people in my area were forced out at about
>> > > 11:30 pm; yeah, in the middle of the night. And that was only the
>> > > beginning.
>> > > It's not accurate to say that I love the Viets more than the Thais.
>> > > It's accurate to say that I experienced myself the facts that the
>> > > Viets treated the Cambodian refugees as human beings while the Thais
>> > > treated the Cambodian refugees as street dogs. Thus it's accurate to
>> > > believe that I like the Viets and dislike the Thais for t
>> > > heir treatments of the Cambodian refugees. However I'm still grateful
>> > > to Thailand for accepting Cambodian refugees, although unwillingly; it
>> > > was the UN and the international community especially the US who urged
>> > > it to do so and who paid for the costs of handling the refugees.
>> > > In Toronto Canada where I now live, a racial group (I won't specify
>> > > who they are, for fear of being accused of racism and more seriously
>> > > for fear of putting myself in a possible danger) constitute only about
>> > > 10% of the population, but they commit about 90% of the reported
>> > > crimes. According to people who live here for 30 years or more, this
>> > > has been going on for at least about 30 years now. Why don't they
>> > > change themselves and abandon the lives of crime?? Because their
>> > > community leaders always blame on other races particularly the Whites
>> > > for the ills and the crimes of their members. They never look in the
>> > > mirror and try to find out what's wrong with them. This attitude of
>> > > the leaders is a license for the members to continue to commit crimes.
>> > > Similarly, the Khmers who blame other nations for the Khmers killing
>> > > the Khmers have the same attitude as the leaders of the above-
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Triet to visit the Yuon colonies of Laos and Cambodia
The royals of the colony of Cambodia with Nguyen Minh Triet and his wife
Visit to Laos, Cambodia planned
August, 20 2010 VNS (Hanoi)
HA NOI 嚙碼 President Nguyen Minh Triet and his wife will pay an official visit to the Lao People's Democratic Republic from August 24 to 26 at the invitation of President Chummaly Sayasone.
They will also pay a state visit to the Kingdom of Cambodia from August 26 to 28 at the invitation of Cambodian King Preah Bat Samdech Preah Boromneath Norodom Sihamoni.
嚙瑾 VIETNAMESE CULTURE : lies & cheat
-PHAM VAN DONG AS PRIME MINISTER declared to King Sihanouk that Vietnam respect Cambodia independence and territorial integrity in exchange for Cambodia recognition of the North Vietnamese as legal government of Vietnam in 1967 and allowed Vietnam to open the Ambassy in Phnom Penh in June 1967. King Sihanouk agreed to the Vietnamese demand.
-PHAM VAN DONG AS PRIME MINISTER , in 1978 had sent Vietnamese troops to invade and occupy Cambodia from 1978-2006 through the CPP/Hun Sen regime
. An estimate 460 000 innocent Cambodian killed under Le Duc Tho rule 1979-1989 . As of today Vietnam continues to occupy Cambodia through the CPP/Hun Sen regime supported by China despite over 10 UN resolutions calling VIETNAM TO CEASE HER OCCUPATION AND REMOVE ALL HER TROOPS FROM CAMBODIA.
Prime Minister Pham Van Dong called on me and, in the presence of Premier Chou En-lai, swore in the name of the Democratic Republic of Vietnam that the latter would always respect the land frontiers as well as all islands belonging to the "Kingdom of Cambodia" March 1970 by Sihanouk . (Wilfred Burchett book "The China Cambodia Vietnam triangle " P-176-177) IT'S SIMPLE. LOOK AND READ HERE THE FACTS.
FOR CAMBODIA Strong Resolution on Cambodia Human Rights Abuses Feb. 27, 1982 : UN Commission on Human Rights meeting in Geneva adopted a resolution condemning Vietnam嚙踝蕭s occupation of Cambodia as a violation of Cambodian human rights. The vote was 28 in favor, 8 against, and 5 abstentions.
Oct. 21, 1986 The UN General Assembly adopted a resolution A/RES/41/6, by vote of 116-21 with 13 abstentions, calling for a withdrawal of Vietnamese forces from Cambodia.
10 UN RESOLUTIONS,(1979-1988) VOTED BY 116 UN MEMBER COUNTRIES ,CALL VIETNAM TO CEASE HER OCCUPATION OF CAMBODIA & REMOVE ALL HER TROOPS FROM THE COUNTRY, ARE NOT RESPECTED AS OF TODAY.
President Reagan's address to the 43d Session of the United Nations General Assembly in New York, New York,September 26, 1988. "Mr. Secretary-General, there are new hopes for Cambodia, a nation whose freedom and independence we seek just as avidly as we sought the freedom and independence of Afghanistan. We urge the rapid removal of all Vietnamese troops ...."
As of today,Cambodia is still occupied by the Vietnamese troops despite the call from the US president to Vietnam to cease her occupation of Cambodia since 1988. Cambodia needs Independence from Vietnam and the Vietnamese invaders. Vietnam must cease her occupation of Cambodia at once.
To all Khmer do not forget this PHAM VAN DONG & Nguyen Minh Triet remain the Khmer enemies
CAMBODIA OCCUPIED BY VIETNAM 1979-2010.
IF, WE KNEW, THE CONTENT OF THE SECRET AGREEMENT, MADE BY KING SIHANOUK AND PHAM VAN DONG, DURING JUNE 1970 ,IN HANOI, WE ALSO KNOW THE SECRET OF KING SIHANOUK. PRINCESS MONIQUE , COLLABORATION WITH THE KHMER ENEMY AS WELL IN VIOLATION OF THE 10 UN RESOLUTIONS.
PRINCE SIHANOUK & PM PHAM VAN DONG OF VIETNAM .
June 8, 1970 No details of a North Vietnamese agreement with Prince Sihanouk are given following his return to Peking after a two-week visit to Hanoi. "Prime Minister Pham Van Dong called on me and, in the presence of Premier Chou En-lai, swore in the name of the Democratic Republic of Vietnam that the latter would always respect the land frontiers as well as all islands belonging to the "Kingdom of Cambodia" March 1970 by Sihanouk . Wilfred Burchett book "The China Cambodia Vietnam triangle " P-176-177
VIETNAM INVASION & OCCUPATION OF CAMBODIA 1978-2010UN Passes Strong Resolution on Cambodia Human Rights Abuses Feb. 27, 1982 : UN Commission on Human Rights meeting in Geneva adopted a resolution condemning Vietnam’s occupation of Cambodia as a violation of Cambodian human rights. The vote was 28 in favor, 8 against, and 5 abstentions.
Oct. 21, 1986 The UN General Assembly adopted a resolution A/RES/41/6, by vote of 116-21 with 13 abstentions, calling for a withdrawal of Vietnamese forces from Cambodia.
Nguyen Minh Triet IS VIETNAMESE COMMUNIST AS SUCH HE IS THE KHMER ENEMY AS ALWAYS
Last updated: 16:28 - August 20, 2010
President to visit Laos and Cambodia
President Nguyen Minh Triet will pay an official visit to Laos from August 24-26 and a State visit to Cambodia from August 26-28.
The visits will be made at the invitations of Lao President Chummaly Sayasone and Cambodian King Preah Bat Samdech Preah Boromneath Norodom Sihamoni. (VNA)Minister of Information and government spokesman Khieu Kanharith.(A VIETNAMESE ) (Photo by: SOVANN PHILONG
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IT CONFIRMS BY THIS BOOK : on the behavior and character of a Vietnamese. BOOK " GIAI PHONG " by T Terzani. It describes a Vietnamese as THIEF, A LIAR, A KILLER, A DECEIVER , a sleeper ......
FOR CAMBODIA
Strong Resolution on Cambodia Human Rights Abuses
Feb. 27, 1982 : UN Commission on Human Rights meeting in Geneva adopted a resolution condemning Vietnam’s occupation of Cambodia as a violation of Cambodian human rights. The vote was 28 in favor, 8 against, and 5 abstentions.
Oct. 21, 1986 The UN General Assembly adopted a resolution A/RES/41/6, by vote of 116-21 with 13 abstentions, calling for a withdrawal of Vietnamese forces from Cambodia.
10 UN RESOLUTIONS,(1979-1988) VOTED BY 116 UN MEMBER COUNTRIES ,CALL VIETNAM TO CEASE HER OCCUPATION OF CAMBODIA & REMOVE ALL HER TROOPS FROM THE COUNTRY, ARE NOT RESPECTED AS OF TODAY.
President Reagan's address to the 43d Session of the United Nations General Assembly in New York, New York,September 26, 1988.
"Mr. Secretary-General, there are new hopes for Cambodia, a nation whose freedom and independence we seek just as avidly as we sought the freedom and independence of Afghanistan. We urge the rapid removal of all Vietnamese troops ...."
There were 2 factions in the Khmer Rouge regime: one, led by Pol Pot,
Ieng Sary, and Krorhorm Samphan, sorry, Khieu Samphan, initiated and
implemented the genocide; the other consisted of those who opposed the
genocide. Hun Sen was one of those who opposed the genocide. The
former Khmer Rouge who opposed the genocide of course are no longer
Khmer Rouge, and of course they bear no responsibility for the
genocide. Now the word "Khmer Rouge" refers to only those Khmer Rouge
who committed or supported the genocide.
Pheng Kim Ving
On Aug 19, 10:29 am, Watkeo Kuma <kum...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Now, I like to point out one aspect. The Khmer Rouge didn't kill just
> > the capitalists, the members of the old regime, and those who opposed
> > them (no one dared to oppose them openly during their regime). They
> > killed indiscriminately. They planned to massacre all the Cambodian
> > people who didn't live under their control during the civil war,
> > whether you were a cabinet minister or a sikhlo driver in the previous
> > regime.
> > > > I have to disagree with you when you say the killings (genocide)
> > > > should be blamed on the Viets, Sihanouk, and the Khmer Rouge. I
> > > > firmly believe that the Khmer Rouge and the Khmer Rouge alone bear
> > > > responsibility for the killings. The reason is, during the genocide,
> > > > the Khmer Rouge leadership and the Khmer Rouge leadership alone had
> > > > total control over the country. The Khmer Rouge leadership didn't
> > > > include Sihanouk. If Vietnam had ordered or encouraged the Khmer Rouge
> > > > leadership to commit the genocide against their own people the
> > > > Cambodian people, the Khmer Rouge leadership could simply have
> > > > disobeyed the order or ignored the encouragement.
> > > > It's important to point out that no Khmer Rouge leader, be it Pol Pot
> > > > or Ieng Sary or Khieu Sampahan or even Duch, has ever accused Vietnam
> > > > of training or ordering or encouraging them to commit the genocide.
> > > > It's interesting to notice that the UN and the international community
> > > > have never accused Vietnam of playing a part in the genocide. Even the
> > > > US, who was hostile to Vietnam for having invaded Pol Pot's Kampuchea
> > > > to destroy his regime, for quite some time after the invasion, has
> > > > never accused Vietnam of being involved in the genocide.
> > > > My family and I escaped to Vietnam in about mid-August 1975, not in
> > > > April 1975. So I lived for about 4 months under the Khmer Rouge
> > > > regime. Although this may not be a very long time, I already witnessed
> > > > by my very own eyes the cruelty of the Khmer Rouge. At the very
> > > > beginning: they entered Phnom Penh and won the civil war about noon of
> > > > 17 Apr 1975, (I together with other people applauded them, not because
> > > > we welcomed their victory, but because we believed the war ended and
> > > > we were happy about that), at about 2:00 pm the very same day, they
> > > > started to force people out of the capital; my family (of course
> > > > including me) and all the people in my area were forced out at about
> > > > 11:30 pm; yeah, in the middle of the night. And that was only the
> > > > beginning.
> > > > It's not accurate to say that I love the Viets more than the Thais.
> > > > It's accurate to say that I experienced myself the facts that the
> > > > Viets treated the Cambodian refugees as human beings while the Thais
> > > > treated the Cambodian refugees as street dogs. Thus it's accurate to
> > > > believe that I like the Viets and dislike the Thais for t
> > > > heir treatments of the Cambodian refugees. However I'm still grateful
> > > > to Thailand for accepting Cambodian refugees, although unwillingly; it
> > > > was the UN and the international community especially the US who urged
> > > > it to do so and who paid for the costs of handling the refugees.
> > > > In Toronto Canada where I now live, a racial group (I won't specify
> > > > who they are, for fear of being accused of racism and more seriously
> > > > for fear of putting myself in a possible danger) constitute only about
> > > > 10% of the population, but they commit about 90% of the reported
> > > > crimes. According to people who live here for 30 years or more, this
> > > > has been going on for at least about 30 years now. Why don't they
> > > > change themselves and abandon the lives of crime?? Because their
> > > > community leaders always blame on other races particularly the Whites
> > > > for the ills and the crimes of their members. They never look in the
> > > > mirror and try to find out what's wrong with them. This attitude of
> > > > the leaders is a license for the members to continue to commit crimes.
> > > > Similarly, the Khmers who blame other nations for the Khmers killing
> > > > the Khmers have the same attitude as the leaders of the above-
> > > > mentioned racial group. If the Khmers don't look in the mirror and try
> > > > to find out what's wrong with them but instead they blame other
> > > > nations, they send a message to other Khmers that it's ok to kill the
> > > > Khmers (you're not at fault when you kill innocent Khmers, it's the
> > > > fault of other nations), a new genocide will likely happen again, or a
> > > > series of smaller-scale massacres will take place again and again and
> > > > again. I know what's wrong: it's hatred. The Khmer Rouge committed the
> > > > genocide against the Cambodian people because they hated the Cambodian
> > > > people. I don't need to read any book about the genocide; I
> > > > experienced the Khmer Rouge regime hands-on.
> > > > Besides, when a Khmer accuses other nations of making the Khmers kill
> > > > the Khmers, he/she implicitly declares, perhaps unknowingly or
> > > > subconsciously, that the Khmers are so silly that other nations can
> > > > make them kill other Khmers.
> > > > Pheng Kim Ving
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Dear Kim Ving, When and who decided to give this definition, where can I find : Now the word "Khmer Rouge" refers to only those Khmer Rouge who committed or supported the genocide.
Khoar Chev ( Made in Cambodia )
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From: Pheng Kim Ving <phengkimvi...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: What's Wrong?? It's Hatred To: "Cambodia Discussion (CAMDISC) - www.cambodia.org" <camdisc@googlegroups.com> Date: Tuesday, August 24, 2010, 6:01 AM
Dear Watkeo Kuma,
There were 2 factions in the Khmer Rouge regime: one, led by Pol Pot, Ieng Sary, and Krorhorm Samphan, sorry, Khieu Samphan, initiated and implemented the genocide; the other consisted of those who opposed the genocide. Hun Sen was one of those who opposed the genocide. The former Khmer Rouge who opposed the genocide of course are no longer Khmer Rouge, and of course they bear no responsibility for the genocide. Now the word "Khmer Rouge" refers to only those Khmer Rouge who committed or supported the genocide.
Pheng Kim Ving
On Aug 19, 10:29 am, Watkeo Kuma <kum...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Now, I like to point out one aspect. The Khmer Rouge didn't kill just > > the capitalists, the members of the old regime, and those who opposed > > them (no one dared to oppose them openly during their regime). They > > killed indiscriminately. They planned to massacre all the Cambodian > > people who didn't live under their control during the civil war, > > whether you were a cabinet minister or a sikhlo driver in the previous > > regime.
> > > > I have to disagree with you when you say the killings (genocide) > > > > should be blamed on the Viets, Sihanouk, and the Khmer Rouge. I > > > > firmly believe that the Khmer Rouge and the Khmer Rouge alone bear > > > > responsibility for the killings. The reason is, during the genocide, > > > > the Khmer Rouge leadership and the Khmer Rouge leadership alone had > > > > total control over the country. The Khmer Rouge leadership didn't > > > > include Sihanouk. If Vietnam had ordered or encouraged the Khmer Rouge > > > > leadership to commit the genocide against their own people the > > > > Cambodian people, the Khmer Rouge leadership could simply have > > > > disobeyed the order or ignored the encouragement.
> > > > It's important to point out that no Khmer Rouge leader, be it Pol Pot > > > > or Ieng Sary or Khieu Sampahan or even Duch, has ever accused Vietnam > > > > of training or ordering or encouraging them to commit the genocide. > > > > It's interesting to notice that the UN and the international community > > > > have never accused Vietnam of playing a part in the genocide. Even the > > > > US, who was hostile to Vietnam for having invaded Pol Pot's Kampuchea > > > > to destroy his regime, for quite some time after the invasion, has > > > > never accused Vietnam of being involved in the genocide.
> > > > My family and I escaped to Vietnam in about mid-August 1975, not in > > > > April 1975. So I lived for about 4 months under the Khmer Rouge > > > > regime. Although this may not be a very long time, I already witnessed > > > > by my very own eyes the cruelty of the Khmer Rouge. At the very > > > > beginning: they entered Phnom Penh and won the civil war about noon of > > > > 17 Apr 1975, (I together with other people applauded them, not because > > > > we welcomed their victory, but because we believed the war ended and > > > > we were happy about that), at about 2:00 pm the very same day, they > > > > started to force people out of the capital; my family (of course > > > > including me) and all the people in my area were forced out at about > > > > 11:30 pm; yeah, in the middle of the night. And that was only the > > > > beginning.
> > > > It's not accurate to say that I love the Viets more than the Thais. > > > > It's accurate to say that I experienced myself the facts that the > > > > Viets treated the Cambodian refugees as human beings while the Thais > > > > treated the Cambodian refugees as street dogs. Thus it's accurate to > > > > believe that I like the Viets and dislike the Thais for t > > > > heir treatments of the Cambodian refugees. However I'm still grateful > > > > to Thailand for accepting Cambodian refugees, although unwillingly; it > > > > was the UN and the international community especially the US who urged > > > > it to do so and who paid for the costs of handling the refugees.
> > > > In Toronto Canada where I now live, a racial group (I won't specify > > > > who they are, for fear of being accused of racism and more seriously > > > > for fear of putting myself in a possible danger) constitute only about > > > > 10% of the population, but they commit about 90% of the reported > > > > crimes. According to people who live here for 30 years or more, this > > > > has been going on for at least about 30 years now. Why don't they > > > > change themselves and abandon the lives of crime?? Because their > > > > community leaders always blame on other races particularly the Whites > > > > for the ills and the crimes of their members. They never look in the > > > > mirror and try to find out what's wrong with them. This attitude of > > > > the leaders is a license for the members to continue to commit crimes.
> > > > Similarly, the Khmers who blame other nations for the Khmers killing > > > > the Khmers have the same attitude as the leaders of the above- > > > > mentioned racial group. If the Khmers don't look in the mirror and try > > > > to find out what's wrong with them but instead they blame other > > > > nations, they send a message to other Khmers that it's ok to kill the > > > > Khmers (you're not at fault when you kill innocent Khmers, it's the > > > > fault of other nations), a new genocide will likely happen again, or a > > > > series of smaller-scale massacres will take place again and again and > > > > again. I know what's wrong: it's hatred. The Khmer Rouge committed the > > > > genocide against the Cambodian people because they hated the Cambodian > > > > people. I don't need to read any book about the genocide; I > > > > experienced the Khmer Rouge regime hands-on.
> > > > Besides, when a Khmer accuses other nations of making the Khmers kill > > > > the Khmers, he/she implicitly declares, perhaps unknowingly or > > > > subconsciously, that the Khmers are so silly that other nations can > > > > make them kill other Khmers.
> > > > Pheng Kim Ving
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