This morning, going down the same bit of road, there was the large
Carlsberg delivery lorry, parked jauntily on a bit of pavement and
completely blocking the contra-flow cycle lane. While the other cyclists
swerved round him, head on into the oncoming path of the traffic, I
stopped to take a picture. However, he was just leaving and went past
while my phone camera was slowly chugging into operation, giving me a
cheeky grin and a wave. At least he didn't run me over.
So no reply from Carlsberg, and their drivers are still happily breaking
the law and putting people's lives at risk. The only conclusion I can
draw from this is that at best, Carlsberg don't care about the behaviour
of their drivers or the people who's lives they put at risk, or possibly,
they actually like their drivers to be abusive, dangerous and
law-breaking.
So next time you are in the Revolution, drinking some Carlsberg carbonated
burping water, raise a glass to the driver who delivered it, a young man
who bravely risks other people's lives and is quite happy to threaten
people because he can't be arsed to walk the few extra steps from the
loading bay round the back.
Here is a picture of the lorry parked dangerously, the time before last:
http://asshol.es/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=25729
And here's one of the time before that:
http://asshol.es/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=17
Naich.
p.s. A handy hint: Tesco own brand lager in the blue can is cheaper than
Carlsberg, is 500ml rather than 440ml and tastes a lot nicer.
p.p.s. Buy three 4-packs of it rather than a single 12-pack because it's
cheaper for some reason.
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Have you talked to the management of the bar? If they share your
concerns they can talk to their suppliers.
C
>> p.s. A handy hint: Tesco own brand lager in the blue can is cheaper
>> than Carlsberg, is 500ml rather than 440ml and tastes a lot nicer.
>> p.p.s. Buy three 4-packs of it rather than a single 12-pack because
>> it's cheaper for some reason.
Drunk in charge of a bicycle again?
I find it improves my aim as I swerve around the pavements, trying to run
pensioners and children over.
Naich.
Indeed. But you missed out the riding the wrong way down a one way
street, without lights, at night bit.
Shame you don't have a T-shirt with your name address and contact
details on.
> Naich.
Well he's hardly going to hit you, NP, is he, as I seem to remember
you've given up on Cambridge....
C
> Well, it's been two months since I first sent Carlsberg an email
> complaining about their driver, who was delivering to the Revolution bar.
I strongly suspect that he is not "their driver". It seems to me
quite likely that the lorry belongs to a distribution company
(which sells the advertising space to Carlsberg). I'd start
by asking Revolution about it:
By and large, yes. Largely because of the above, and the total
witch-hunt on anyone who has 4 wheels and an engine, and doesn't want to
drink coffee/eat vegetarian slime/buy cheap tat at expensive prices.
Ultimately it will become a town with no shops at all, just houses and
cycle ways.
Which will be tough on the cyclists as they will have to cycle out of
town to buy anything.
"Pensioner dies of heat attack cycling up Castle hill"
"He was a dear chap, cycling to Girton every day for his daily fix of
Pot Noodles and the Guradian. Its the only shop within reach of Grange
Road" said passerby who 'knew him intimately'.
> C
Out of interest, have you reported it to the police? Parking in a
cycle lane is an offence under the highway code, and it ought to be
their job to enforce. Especially if it's happening regularly, and they
can catch them at it.
> Naich wrote:
>
>> Well, it's been two months since I first sent Carlsberg an email
>> complaining about their driver, who was delivering to the Revolution bar.
>
> I strongly suspect that he is not "their driver". It seems to me
> quite likely that the lorry belongs to a distribution company
> (which sells the advertising space to Carlsberg). I'd start
Carlsberg have a distribution division, so I'm pretty certain it's one of
theirs. I found their distribution web site a couple of months ago when I
was looking for an email address, but it seems to have changed since then
and the most relevant reference I can find is this -
http://www.carlsberggroup.com/Careers/Overview/Pages/DistributionCareers.aspx
which is pretty clear:
"It takes hundreds of drivers and vehicles to get our beer to our
customers. Plus there.s all the work behind the scenes in planning routes
and schedules to ensure every delivery is complete and on-time, whether
it.s a few barrels for an inner city bar or truckloads to an out-of-town
retail warehouse."
I guess it's worth dropping a friendly email to the Revolution people
though.
Naich.
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> Naich wrote:
>> On Wed, 18 Nov 2009, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>
>>>>> p.s. A handy hint: Tesco own brand lager in the blue can is cheaper than
>>>>> Carlsberg, is 500ml rather than 440ml and tastes a lot nicer.
>>>>> p.p.s. Buy three 4-packs of it rather than a single 12-pack because it's
>>>>> cheaper for some reason.
>>>
>>> Drunk in charge of a bicycle again?
>>
>> I find it improves my aim as I swerve around the pavements, trying to run
>> pensioners and children over.
>
> Indeed. But you missed out the riding the wrong way down a one way street,
> without lights, at night bit.
I thought that went without saying. This IS Cambridge.
> Shame you don't have a T-shirt with your name address and contact details on.
I was going to have some cards made up that said "You have just been run
over by the Masked Cyclist", but that would mean I need to wear a mask and
I couldn't find anywhere that sold masks in the shape of bicycle wheels.
You have got to get the little details right or people don't take you
seriously.
Naich.
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> Here is a picture of the lorry parked dangerously, the time before last:
>
> http://asshol.es/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=25729
>
> And here's one of the time before that:
>
> http://asshol.es/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=17
Compare the state of the pavement between the 2 photos.
--
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or with Carlsberg's contact details on...
> On Wed, 18 Nov 2009, Fevric J. Glandules wrote:
>
>> I strongly suspect that he is not "their driver". It seems to me
>> quite likely that the lorry belongs to a distribution company
>> (which sells the advertising space to Carlsberg). I'd start
>
> Carlsberg have a distribution division, so I'm pretty certain it's one of
Oh, fair enough.
Surely you already have a Darth Vader mask, as all cyclists do?
(pp David Curry MP)
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> Naich <d...@mrao.cam.ac.uk> wrote:
>> I was going to have some cards made up that said "You have just been run
>> over by the Masked Cyclist", but that would mean I need to wear a mask and
>> I couldn't find anywhere that sold masks in the shape of bicycle wheels.
>> You have got to get the little details right or people don't take you
>> seriously.
>
> Surely you already have a Darth Vader mask, as all cyclists do?
> (pp David Curry MP)
I love his Wikipedia entry:
'David Curry announced that cylists are "irresponsible and arrogant road
users" and said many people believed they took no notice of red lights and
believed traffic cones were "not for them" he went on to say "We seem to
regard cyclists as living in some sort of superior moral category when
they actually do not have any." The apparent justification for these
comments are that he was once hit by a child on a bike and has since held
all cyclists responsible....Though many are left wondering how many
cyclists have been punished for this. David Curry MP drives a very
expensive fuel guzzling car and spends his spare time berating cyclists
something that he feels puts him in a superior moral category'
Naich.
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I like the name and shame approach. I do the same with parking in my
village http://www.paullee.com/bandb/
Another option, who might be more likely to give a
sensible response, would be the licensing authority.
Point out that the pub is contributing to a nuisance.
The defence that it's not the pub staff doing it would be
no more valid than it would be if it was the customers
being rowdy and threatening people.
This particular cycle lane is still incorrectly marked, so parking in it
isn't an offence (well, not an offence under s5 RTRA anyway) while
cycling westbound in it is. I thus suspect that an informal approach
(in keeping with the informal status of the lane) is likely to be more
effective than a formal one.
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Ben Harris
> This morning, going down the same bit of road, there was the large
> Carlsberg delivery lorry, parked jauntily on a bit of pavement and
> completely blocking the contra-flow cycle lane.
What time was this? The area you have not referred to is the possible
breach of planning control by the Revolution Bar in permitting deliveries
at hours when they are not allowed.
--
Colin Rosenstiel
> Ultimately it will become a town with no shops at all, just houses and
> cycle ways.
I think you may be on to something: just like Amsterdam...... oh wait...
Ignore Carlsberg and report him to the police.
> p.s. A handy hint: Tesco own brand lager in the blue can is cheaper
> than Carlsberg, is 500ml rather than 440ml and tastes a lot nicer.
Ah, but it comes from Tesco, which is a Worse Thing.
> p.p.s. Buy three 4-packs of it rather than a single 12-pack because
> it's cheaper for some reason.
Horse piss is still horse piss even if it arrives in buckets.
--
Brian
"Fight like the Devil, die like a gentleman."
www.imagebus.co.uk/shop
Actually, Tesco's own brand Lager (except the really cheap varieties) is
better than most of the branded ones.
-- Roland Perry
Sorry, having entered one haiku competition today, brain still in haiku
mode:
Tesco makes lager.
It still tastes like horse's piss;
Better class of horse.
Jon
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> What time was this? The area you have not referred to is the possible
> breach of planning control by the Revolution Bar in permitting deliveries
> at hours when they are not allowed.
>
The times I've noticed it it has been after 7:30am, so no breach of
the planning control. Of course, there are more cyclists then.
It would be very simple for the Police to witness the event, it's
every Wednesday between 7:30am and 8:00am
--
Dan
> Tesco makes lager.
> It still tastes like horse's piss;
> Better class of horse.
<laugh>
On Wed, 18 Nov 2009, Naich wrote:
> Well, it's been two months since I first sent Carlsberg an email complaining
> about their driver, who was delivering to the Revolution bar. He basically
> challenged me to a fight when I asked him if he was aware that his lorry was
> illegally parked in a dangerous position. A month ago, I sent another email,
> asking Carlsberg if their lack of response meant that they condoned the
> actions of their driver. A single word in an email would have denied it.
> Other than a confirmation that they had received the first email, there's been
> nothing from them to suggest that they don't approve.
>
> This morning, going down the same bit of road, there was the large Carlsberg
> delivery lorry, parked jauntily on a bit of pavement and completely blocking
> the contra-flow cycle lane. While the other cyclists swerved round him, head
> on into the oncoming path of the traffic, I stopped to take a picture.
> However, he was just leaving and went past while my phone camera was slowly
> chugging into operation, giving me a cheeky grin and a wave. At least he
> didn't run me over.
>
> So no reply from Carlsberg, and their drivers are still happily breaking the
> law and putting people's lives at risk. The only conclusion I can draw from
> this is that at best, Carlsberg don't care about the behaviour of their
> drivers or the people who's lives they put at risk, or possibly, they actually
> like their drivers to be abusive, dangerous and law-breaking.
>
> So next time you are in the Revolution, drinking some Carlsberg carbonated
> burping water, raise a glass to the driver who delivered it, a young man who
> bravely risks other people's lives and is quite happy to threaten people
> because he can't be arsed to walk the few extra steps from the loading bay
> round the back.
>
> Here is a picture of the lorry parked dangerously, the time before last:
>
> http://asshol.es/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=25729
>
> And here's one of the time before that:
>
> http://asshol.es/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=17
And here's another.
http://www.cyclestreets.net/location/11881/
Naich, feel free to add your photos to CycleStreets, and give them the
tags 'carslberg' and 'revolution':
http://www.cyclestreets.net/photomap/tags/carslberg/
http://www.cyclestreets.net/photomap/tags/revolution/
to give them a bit more exposure.
>
> Naich.
> p.s. A handy hint: Tesco own brand lager in the blue can is cheaper than
> Carlsberg, is 500ml rather than 440ml and tastes a lot nicer.
> p.p.s. Buy three 4-packs of it rather than a single 12-pack because it's
> cheaper for some reason.
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>
>
Martin
On Wed, 18 Nov 2009, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> By and large, yes. Largely because of the above, and the total witch-hunt on
> anyone who has 4 wheels and an engine, and doesn't want to drink coffee/eat
> vegetarian slime/buy cheap tat at expensive prices.
Requiring a motorist to obey the law instead of manifestly causing danger
to other road users is hardly a witch-hunt.
What is it about this location that a driver can't be bothered to unload
from Downing Place and walk 20 metres with their delivery trolley. Is that
really so hard, or does that really constitute a witch-hunt that justifies
ignoring the law?
>
> Ultimately it will become a town with no shops at all, just houses and cycle
> ways.
>
> Which will be tough on the cyclists as they will have to cycle out of town to
> buy anything.
>
> "Pensioner dies of heat attack cycling up Castle hill"
> "He was a dear chap, cycling to Girton every day for his daily fix of Pot
> Noodles and the Guradian. Its the only shop within reach of Grange Road" said
> passerby who 'knew him intimately'.
>
>
> > C
>
Martin
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Presumably that's a personal opinion not a fact.
--
My recollection of the applicable rules are that deliveries to those
premises are only allowed before 7:30 am and after 7 am. It is of course
illegal to place a motor vehicle in the cycle lane at any time.
--
Colin Rosenstiel
Does the Revolution not have a yard for the purposes of unloading? At
least they would be able to if it was not used for staff parking.
Andrew
I think the entrance is too low for the lorry, even if they do have a yard.
Certainly that's my memory from the extensive previous articles on this
subject on this ng.
--
Paul Bird
But apparently that particular lane is incorrectly signed, so has no
effect. This is bad news indeed.
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Roland Perry
> On Wed, 18 Nov 2009, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
> > By and large, yes. Largely because of the above, and the total witch-
> > hunt on anyone who has 4 wheels and an engine, and doesn't want to
> > drink coffee/eat vegetarian slime/buy cheap tat at expensive prices.
>
> Requiring a motorist to obey the law instead of manifestly causing
> danger to other road users is hardly a witch-hunt.
>
> What is it about this location that a driver can't be bothered to
> unload from Downing Place and walk 20 metres with their delivery
> trolley. Is that really so hard, or does that really constitute a
> witch-hunt that justifies ignoring the law?
Not even 20 yards in the case of the 3663 driver delivering to Nando's one
morning this week.
He was in the "No loading at any time" section close to the Downing St
junction with an empty space outside that restriction only 10 yards away.
He swore at me when I suggested he moved to somewhere legal. I think his
was the lorry that already had a ticket that I saw recently.
--
Colin Rosenstiel
If anyone has evidence of deliveries in contravention of the planning
conditions, please advise Alison Twyford in the City's Planning Department.
--
Colin Rosenstiel
Is it a Carlsberg lorry or a lorry owned by a distributor (of various
brands) that just happens to have a Carlsberg advert on it?
> Andrew May <andrew...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> <snip>
> > Does the Revolution not have a yard for the purposes of unloading?
> > At least they would be able to if it was not used for staff parking.
>
> I think the entrance is too low for the lorry, even if they do have a
> yard. Certainly that's my memory from the extensive previous articles
> on this subject on this ng.
Nothing to prevent them stopping the lorry in Downing Place.
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Colin Rosenstiel
Result! Got a direct number for her?
> rosen...@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
> > If anyone has evidence of deliveries in contravention of the
> > planning conditions, please advise Alison Twyford in the City's
> > Planning Department.
>
> Result! Got a direct number for her?
I just rang 457000 and asked for her this afternoon.
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Colin Rosenstiel
I think some firms just factor in tickets. There were two v. big
lorries outside the Arts Theatre (delivering to the Corn Exchange) on
Sunday, from 9am 'til 10.30pm at least.
Both had tickets from at least lunch time, and both had their drivers
sat in them, but not much happening.
But what's two ?30 fixed penalty tickets to a show with a budget of
maybe ?10ks? Probably cheap parking for lorroes of that size....
Must admit - I didn't see why they had to be there all day though.
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> I think some firms just factor in tickets. There were two v. big
> lorries outside the Arts Theatre (delivering to the Corn Exchange) on
> Sunday, from 9am 'til 10.30pm at least.
>
> Both had tickets from at least lunch time, and both had their drivers
> sat in them, but not much happening.
>
> But what's two ?30 fixed penalty tickets to a show with a budget of
> maybe ?10ks? Probably cheap parking for lorroes of that size....
>
> Must admit - I didn't see why they had to be there all day though.
How often can you issue a ticket? One every 5 minutes and they might
start noticing the cost...
Article 19.2 of the relevant order says in part "a Penalty Charge is
payable for each calendar day or part thereof that the Vehicle is in
contravention of this Order", so I think that's a maximum of one ticket
per vehicle per day.
--
Ben Harris
The lorries Alan was referring to would need police permission to gain
access via Bene't St, I expect. There are parking arrangements for theatre
deliveries so tickets should not be necessary.
--
Colin Rosenstiel
But that assumes that anyone's told the traffic wardens.
--
Duncan Wood
They both definitely had Fixed Penalty Notice stickers, so you are
probably right.
I made a point of checking to see if it was some form of exemption
sticker issued by the Council, as that could have been useful to know
if such existed.
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The access arrangements should include that.
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Colin Rosenstiel
On Wed, 25 Nov 2009, Alan wrote:
> I think some firms just factor in tickets.
Yes, have a read of
http://www.camcycle.org.uk/newsletters/84/article6.html
with particular reference to "Chevin Fleet Services".
> There were two v. big
> lorries outside the Arts Theatre (delivering to the Corn Exchange) on
> Sunday, from 9am 'til 10.30pm at least.
>
> Both had tickets from at least lunch time, and both had their drivers
> sat in them, but not much happening.
>
> But what's two ?30 fixed penalty tickets to a show with a budget of
> maybe ?10ks? Probably cheap parking for lorroes of that size....
>
> Must admit - I didn't see why they had to be there all day though.
>
> --
>
>
Martin