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dick
May 16, 2012, 1:48:58 PM5/16/12
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On 5/16/12 7:35 AM, rr wrote:
> http://www.theblaze.com/stories/new-report-details-george-zimmermans-injuries/
> Looks like momma's boy be eating some crow about now. Broken nose,
> black eyes, lacerations. Yea, he just chased that poor little
> innocent black teenager down and shot him in cold blood, not.
Here's how it really went, porky:
Zim pops a cap in the kid and one of his thug buddies goes "What the
fuck did you do, now we're all accessories to murder!" and punches Zim
in the nose, cold-cocking him and knocking him right over backwards
where he smacks his head on the concrete.
dick
The True Spirit of '08:
<http://tinyurl.com/2j78qt>
The Boss Confronting "The American Taliban"¨
<http://tinyurl.com/bt75g8>
(he's right behind me, isn't he?)
> http://www.theblaze.com/stories/new-report-details-george-zimmermans-injuries/
> Looks like momma's boy be eating some crow about now. Broken nose,
> black eyes, lacerations. Yea, he just chased that poor little
> innocent black teenager down and shot him in cold blood, not.
Here's how it really went, porky:
Zim pops a cap in the kid and one of his thug buddies goes "What the
fuck did you do, now we're all accessories to murder!" and punches Zim
in the nose, cold-cocking him and knocking him right over backwards
where he smacks his head on the concrete.
dick
The True Spirit of '08:
<http://tinyurl.com/2j78qt>
The Boss Confronting "The American Taliban"¨
<http://tinyurl.com/bt75g8>
(he's right behind me, isn't he?)
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swampstomper
May 16, 2012, 2:57:35 PM5/16/12
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Glennbo <vdrumsYourHe...@cox.net> wrote:
> Bottom line, Zim is at fault and should have disengaged as instructed.
Exactly. If he had followed police instructions it's very likely the
situation would have resolved without incident.
> Bottom line, Zim is at fault and should have disengaged as instructed.
Exactly. If he had followed police instructions it's very likely the
situation would have resolved without incident.
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swampstomper
May 16, 2012, 4:57:54 PM5/16/12
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Glennbo <vdrumsYourHe...@cox.net> wrote:
> Yup. Zim wouldn't be on trial and Trevon would still be alive.
This case is a great example of why vigilantism isn't such a great idea.
People generally respect a police officer's authority to detain and
question someone who is behaving suspiciously. Police have training in how
to handle someone that is uncooperative and how to apprehend them using
non-lethal means. Joe Fuckface is generally unqualified to handle these
types of situations and has no legal authority over another citizen.
I would bet most people when confronted by a vigilante would be inclined to
tell them to go fuck off just on principle. If you aren't doing anything
illegal you are under no obligation to even acknowledge another citizen
never mind answer any questions or submit to detention. The likelihood of a
situation escalating to violence is far greater than when a police officer
is involved.
> Yup. Zim wouldn't be on trial and Trevon would still be alive.
This case is a great example of why vigilantism isn't such a great idea.
People generally respect a police officer's authority to detain and
question someone who is behaving suspiciously. Police have training in how
to handle someone that is uncooperative and how to apprehend them using
non-lethal means. Joe Fuckface is generally unqualified to handle these
types of situations and has no legal authority over another citizen.
I would bet most people when confronted by a vigilante would be inclined to
tell them to go fuck off just on principle. If you aren't doing anything
illegal you are under no obligation to even acknowledge another citizen
never mind answer any questions or submit to detention. The likelihood of a
situation escalating to violence is far greater than when a police officer
is involved.
dick
May 16, 2012, 5:16:21 PM5/16/12
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possess guns and ammo is the single biggest mistake in the history of
our country.
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rr
May 17, 2012, 6:40:59 AM5/17/12
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Zelix
May 17, 2012, 2:17:34 PM5/17/12
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end of the day it's a tragedy.
My only rebuttal would be this....
What if you are in a community that is being targeted by some unsavory
thieves? If the police can't seem to get the problem under control for
whatever reason.
If your community is under some major attack and your only hope is to
community watch then it might escalate beyond normal parameters.You
might find people in a more vigilantism stance.
just an though.
swampstomper
May 17, 2012, 2:39:56 PM5/17/12
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Zelix <idontt...@nospamming.com> wrote:
> My only rebuttal would be this....
>
> What if you are in a community that is being targeted by some unsavory
> thieves? If the police can't seem to get the problem under control for whatever reason.
>
> If your community is under some major attack and your only hope is to
> community watch then it might escalate beyond normal parameters.You might
> find people in a more vigilantism stance.
>
> just an though.
Community watch is fine if the people in the community feel they need it.
> My only rebuttal would be this....
>
> What if you are in a community that is being targeted by some unsavory
> thieves? If the police can't seem to get the problem under control for whatever reason.
>
> If your community is under some major attack and your only hope is to
> community watch then it might escalate beyond normal parameters.You might
> find people in a more vigilantism stance.
>
> just an though.
I'm glad not to have that kind of thing in my neighborhood. I would not
take kindly to some citizen patrol dude trying to question or detain me.
I'd probably tell him to fuck off. Call the police if you think I am doing
something wrong and I'll be happy to talk to them.
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Michael
May 17, 2012, 4:36:15 PM5/17/12
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rr <rick...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> On Thursday, May 17, 2012 12:48:39 PM UTC-5, Gregor wrote:
>> Trevon stood his ground and died for it.
>
> Great! You were there?
No one needs to have been there. Martin didn't follow and confront
anyone... that was Zimmerman's MO or at least his intent. What followed
was a (tragic) escalation of something that didn't need to happen.
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> On Thursday, May 17, 2012 12:48:39 PM UTC-5, Gregor wrote:
>> Trevon stood his ground and died for it.
>
> Great! You were there?
No one needs to have been there. Martin didn't follow and confront
anyone... that was Zimmerman's MO or at least his intent. What followed
was a (tragic) escalation of something that didn't need to happen.
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swampstomper
May 17, 2012, 6:05:11 PM5/17/12
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Michael <muirhea...@shawSPAM.ca> wrote:
> No one needs to have been there. Martin didn't follow and confront
> anyone... that was Zimmerman's MO or at least his intent. What followed
> was a (tragic) escalation of something that didn't need to happen.
Encounter between George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin 'avoidable,' cops
> No one needs to have been there. Martin didn't follow and confront
> anyone... that was Zimmerman's MO or at least his intent. What followed
> was a (tragic) escalation of something that didn't need to happen.
said in report
By Jeff Weiner and Rene Stutzman, Orlando Sentinel
5:52 p.m. EST, May 17, 2012
JACKSONVILLE – Newly released evidence in the case against George Zimmerman
shows that Sanford Police believed the encounter between Zimmerman and
Trayvon Martin was "ultimately avoidable," if Zimmerman had "remained in
his vehicle and awaited the arrival of law enforcement," according to
hundreds of pages of evidence in the case released this afternoon.
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-05-17/news/os-george-zimmerman-evidence-released-20120517_1_special-prosecutor-angela-corey-new-evidence-documents
Michael
May 17, 2012, 6:19:17 PM5/17/12
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Make Believe Cop Finally Faces Real Life
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Gerry Peters
May 18, 2012, 1:43:12 PM5/18/12
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On Fri, 18 May 2012 07:32:44 -0700 (PDT), rr <rick...@gmail.com>
wrote:
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>The actual witnesses tell a different story than the one you hind-sighters proclaim as fact. TWO witnesses, the guy's nose is broken and bleeding and he's bleeding out the back of his head. Regardless of whether it could've been avoided, the confrontation did happen and it appears Zimmerman was reasonable in believing his life was in imminent danger. I'm still curious to see the actual crime statistics from that neighborhood both before the shooting and afterwards. I'm willing to bet Martin is one of the thieves who created the need for the neighborhood watch to begin with. I believe Z got the right man and Martin got the justice he deserved.
>
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>Zimmerman claims he got out of his vehicle to find a house number to let police know where he saw the allegedly suspicious person, and while returning to his car was knocked down by a punch in the nose and attacked by Martin.
>
>Two police officers reported that when they arrived at the scene of the shooting, Zimmerman seemed to have a battered nose and bloodied face. One wrote that his "facial area was bloodied," and the back of his clothing was soiled with wet grass.
>
>"Zimmerman was also bleeding from the nose and the back of his head," Officer Ricardo Ayala wrote.
>
>Another officer wrote, "I saw that Zimmerman's face was bloodied and it appeared to me that his nose was broken."
>
>Witnesses, whose names were redacted from the report, also lent support to Zimmerman's version of what happened.
>
>"He witnesses a black male, wearing a dark colored 'hoodie' on top of a white or Hispanic male and throwing punches 'MMA (mixed martial arts) style,'" the police report of the witness said. "He then heard a pop. He stated that after hearing the pop, he observed the person he had previously observed on top of the other person (the male wearing the hoodie) laid out on the grass."
>
>A second witness described a person on the ground with another straddling him and throwing punches. The man on the bottom was yelling for help, the witness told police.
>
>The documents state that Zimmerman can be heard yelling for help 14 times on a 911 call recorded during the fight.
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You should be more skeptical about this information.
Do you really beleive those cries and screams for help were Zimmerman?
It sure sounds more like a 17 year old and 2 experts have said it's
not Zimmerman's voice. I think this will be a crucial part of the
case. If Zimmerman shot someone pleading for his life that will be
very damning for him.
Let's face the facts, he knew the Police were only minutes away.
--
Gerry Peters
wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>Zimmerman claims he got out of his vehicle to find a house number to let police know where he saw the allegedly suspicious person, and while returning to his car was knocked down by a punch in the nose and attacked by Martin.
>
>Two police officers reported that when they arrived at the scene of the shooting, Zimmerman seemed to have a battered nose and bloodied face. One wrote that his "facial area was bloodied," and the back of his clothing was soiled with wet grass.
>
>"Zimmerman was also bleeding from the nose and the back of his head," Officer Ricardo Ayala wrote.
>
>Another officer wrote, "I saw that Zimmerman's face was bloodied and it appeared to me that his nose was broken."
>
>Witnesses, whose names were redacted from the report, also lent support to Zimmerman's version of what happened.
>
>"He witnesses a black male, wearing a dark colored 'hoodie' on top of a white or Hispanic male and throwing punches 'MMA (mixed martial arts) style,'" the police report of the witness said. "He then heard a pop. He stated that after hearing the pop, he observed the person he had previously observed on top of the other person (the male wearing the hoodie) laid out on the grass."
>
>A second witness described a person on the ground with another straddling him and throwing punches. The man on the bottom was yelling for help, the witness told police.
>
>The documents state that Zimmerman can be heard yelling for help 14 times on a 911 call recorded during the fight.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
You should be more skeptical about this information.
Do you really beleive those cries and screams for help were Zimmerman?
It sure sounds more like a 17 year old and 2 experts have said it's
not Zimmerman's voice. I think this will be a crucial part of the
case. If Zimmerman shot someone pleading for his life that will be
very damning for him.
Let's face the facts, he knew the Police were only minutes away.
--
Gerry Peters
rr
May 18, 2012, 9:18:40 PM5/18/12
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On Friday, May 18, 2012 12:43:12 PM UTC-5, Gerry Peters wrote:
> Let's face the facts, he knew the Police were only minutes away.
> --
> Gerry Peters
Gerry let's face some real facts......your side has no proof, no evidence, not even a smidge of leaning towards Martin being anything close to an innocent and gunned down by a vigilante. You only have speculation and supposition. The evidence is clearly leaning in Zimmerman's favor, all of it. And last time I checked it was "innocent until proven guilty" in this country. It's too bad your side won't stick to that standard and are perfectly willing to slaughter good people in the name of your white guilt.
> Let's face the facts, he knew the Police were only minutes away.
> --
> Gerry Peters
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Gerry Peters
May 19, 2012, 9:28:30 AM5/19/12
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On Fri, 18 May 2012 18:18:40 -0700 (PDT), rr <rick...@gmail.com>
wrote:
So why won't you answer the question? Have you listened to the voice
on the 911 tape and do you honestly think that's Zimmerman?
My main complaint in this case was that he was getting off without a
trial. The Police decided to be Judge and Jury until public outrage
got us at least a trial and an investigation. I'm satisfied with that,
yet I wish we did have all the facts to move this beyond speculation.
I'm all for justice and fairness for all involved including Zimmerman.
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Gerry Peters
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on the 911 tape and do you honestly think that's Zimmerman?
My main complaint in this case was that he was getting off without a
trial. The Police decided to be Judge and Jury until public outrage
got us at least a trial and an investigation. I'm satisfied with that,
yet I wish we did have all the facts to move this beyond speculation.
I'm all for justice and fairness for all involved including Zimmerman.
--
Gerry Peters
rr
May 19, 2012, 10:38:06 AM5/19/12
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Gerry Peters
May 19, 2012, 2:30:48 PM5/19/12
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On Sat, 19 May 2012 07:38:06 -0700 (PDT), rr <rick...@gmail.com>
>>It doesn't even rise to the level of evidence as there's no way you can actually identify who it is. All you
>can do is make supposition, as you've done.
that's right. I hope in court that they do have more trusted expert
people to see if they can make a determination. So far I've heard 2
experts say that it's very very unlikely it's Zimmerman, yet we'll
have to wait and see what others say.
> If Zimmerman is guilty, I wish we did have some evidence to support that. As it is, all the evidence points
> in the opposite direction
at this point I'd say the opposite. Keep in mind all you're hearing is
the most radical right filtered biased news. It would be nice if you
got out of your bubble some, so you could make a rational judgement.
> and yet you guys persist in trying to railroad someone based on your white-guilt.
>It's sickening.
ha ha and that's the most ignorant excuse you have. There is no white
guilt going on with this white boy. You believe the most idiotic
things. Justice and fairness is all that matters in this case.
I would be equally outraged no matter what the race of either person
was. I'm still highly pissed about the case of the older black guy
killling the white Iraq war vet in this park with his little girl
watching and using the stand your ground defense. I don't think that
one made it to court either.
--
Gerry Peters
wrote:
>On Saturday, May 19, 2012 8:28:30 AM UTC-5, Gerry Peters wrote:
>> On Fri, 18 May 2012 18:18:40 -0700 (PDT), rr <rick...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On Friday, May 18, 2012 12:43:12 PM UTC-5, Gerry Peters wrote:
>> >> Let's face the facts, he knew the Police were only minutes away.
>> >> --
>> >> Gerry Peters
>> >
>> >Gerry let's face some real facts......your side has no proof, no evidence, not even a smidge of leaning towards Martin being anything close to an innocent and gunned down by a vigilante. You only have speculation and supposition. The evidence is clearly leaning in Zimmerman's favor, all of it. And last time I checked it was "innocent until proven guilty" in this country. It's too bad your side won't stick to that standard and are perfectly willing to slaughter good people in the name of your white guilt.
>>
>> So why won't you answer the question? Have you listened to the voice
>> on the 911 tape and do you honestly think that's Zimmerman?
>>
>> My main complaint in this case was that he was getting off without a
>> trial. The Police decided to be Judge and Jury until public outrage
>> got us at least a trial and an investigation. I'm satisfied with that,
>> yet I wish we did have all the facts to move this beyond speculation.
>> I'm all for justice and fairness for all involved including Zimmerman.
>> --
>> Gerry Peters
>
>A voice on a garbled 911 recording is not proof.
it's not that garbled. Have you actually heard it?
>On Saturday, May 19, 2012 8:28:30 AM UTC-5, Gerry Peters wrote:
>> On Fri, 18 May 2012 18:18:40 -0700 (PDT), rr <rick...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On Friday, May 18, 2012 12:43:12 PM UTC-5, Gerry Peters wrote:
>> >> Let's face the facts, he knew the Police were only minutes away.
>> >> --
>> >> Gerry Peters
>> >
>> >Gerry let's face some real facts......your side has no proof, no evidence, not even a smidge of leaning towards Martin being anything close to an innocent and gunned down by a vigilante. You only have speculation and supposition. The evidence is clearly leaning in Zimmerman's favor, all of it. And last time I checked it was "innocent until proven guilty" in this country. It's too bad your side won't stick to that standard and are perfectly willing to slaughter good people in the name of your white guilt.
>>
>> So why won't you answer the question? Have you listened to the voice
>> on the 911 tape and do you honestly think that's Zimmerman?
>>
>> My main complaint in this case was that he was getting off without a
>> trial. The Police decided to be Judge and Jury until public outrage
>> got us at least a trial and an investigation. I'm satisfied with that,
>> yet I wish we did have all the facts to move this beyond speculation.
>> I'm all for justice and fairness for all involved including Zimmerman.
>> --
>> Gerry Peters
>
>A voice on a garbled 911 recording is not proof.
>>It doesn't even rise to the level of evidence as there's no way you can actually identify who it is. All you
>can do is make supposition, as you've done.
people to see if they can make a determination. So far I've heard 2
experts say that it's very very unlikely it's Zimmerman, yet we'll
have to wait and see what others say.
> If Zimmerman is guilty, I wish we did have some evidence to support that. As it is, all the evidence points
> in the opposite direction
the most radical right filtered biased news. It would be nice if you
got out of your bubble some, so you could make a rational judgement.
> and yet you guys persist in trying to railroad someone based on your white-guilt.
>It's sickening.
guilt going on with this white boy. You believe the most idiotic
things. Justice and fairness is all that matters in this case.
I would be equally outraged no matter what the race of either person
was. I'm still highly pissed about the case of the older black guy
killling the white Iraq war vet in this park with his little girl
watching and using the stand your ground defense. I don't think that
one made it to court either.
--
Gerry Peters
RS Wood
May 19, 2012, 3:45:16 PM5/19/12
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On 2012-05-16, swampstomper <fa...@fake.com> wrote:
> Joe Fuckface is generally unqualified to handle these
> types of situations and has no legal authority over another citizen.
Wait, Joe's my neighbor!
> Joe Fuckface is generally unqualified to handle these
> types of situations and has no legal authority over another citizen.
swampstomper
May 20, 2012, 5:12:59 AM5/20/12
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Gerry Peters <Gerry...@nospam.com> wrote:
> at this point I'd say the opposite. Keep in mind all you're hearing is
> the most radical right filtered biased news. It would be nice if you
> got out of your bubble some, so you could make a rational judgement.
Pretty good take on the subject here:
> at this point I'd say the opposite. Keep in mind all you're hearing is
> the most radical right filtered biased news. It would be nice if you
> got out of your bubble some, so you could make a rational judgement.
http://frederickleatherman.wordpress.com/2012/05/19/why/
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