The Real Causes Of The Columbine School Massacre
Cicero
society really began to take off after 1960
with the "liberal" revolution. Things have been
going down hill at a seemingly
accelerated pace ever since. Today for our youth
the scene is sex, drugs, rock and roll--crime and
violence. We have moved from Christianity to humanism
and now to nihilism.
You can read all about it in The Bell Curve, Slouching
Towards Gomorrah or many other fine books. Sun Media columnist
Michael Harris puts his finger on what is wrong with our
society in this short essay "Blame spreads far and wide"
i.e. from Bill Clinton and Hollywood to dysfunctional families.
Please click on http://www.canoe.com/Columnists/harris_apr22.html
Compaq User
> The moral decline in U.S. and Canadian
> society really began to take off after 1960
> with the "liberal" revolution. Things have been
> going down hill at a seemingly
> accelerated pace ever since. Today for our youth
> the scene is sex, drugs, rock and roll--crime and
> violence. We have moved from Christianity to humanism
> and now to nihilism.
Here's the recipe:
Take adolescents inculcated with the above "values."
Turn them into gun lovers.
Mix well.
And then, stand back.
Patrick Lepine
>The moral decline in U.S. and Canadian
>society really began to take off after 1960
>with the "liberal" revolution. Things have been
>going down hill at a seemingly
>accelerated pace ever since. Today for our youth
>the scene is sex, drugs, rock and roll--crime and
>violence. We have moved from Christianity to humanism
>and now to nihilism.
>
you are.
Patrick Lepine
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> Here's the recipe:
> Take adolescents inculcated with
> the above "values."
> Turn them into gun lovers.
> Mix well.
> And then, stand back.
Alternate recipes could use in place of guns:
machetes
automobiles
gasoline with a pinch of fire
or jusy be creative...
LN
M.Simon
The moral decline began when jocks were given carte blanche to dis and
pummel whoever they wanted to.
The same blindness is still evident.
Simon
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On Sat, 24 Apr 1999 21:41:39 GMT, Cicero <cic...@home.com> wrote:
>The moral decline in U.S. and Canadian
>society really began to take off after 1960
>with the "liberal" revolution. Things have been
>going down hill at a seemingly
>accelerated pace ever since. Today for our youth
>the scene is sex, drugs, rock and roll--crime and
>violence. We have moved from Christianity to humanism
>and now to nihilism.
>
>You can read all about it in The Bell Curve, Slouching
>Towards Gomorrah or many other fine books. Sun Media columnist
>Michael Harris puts his finger on what is wrong with our
>society in this short essay "Blame spreads far and wide"
>i.e. from Bill Clinton and Hollywood to dysfunctional families.
>Please click on http://www.canoe.com/Columnists/harris_apr22.html
Opinions expressed herein are strictly my own and may or may not represent my views at this particular time or any other
Miguel O'Pastel
contributing factor to this insanity. America stays in denial about the
effects of drugs, particularly the amphetamines, on the brain and their
creation off thoughts and feelings which would otherwise be absent.
M.
nee...@syix.com wrote in message <37230F...@syix.com>...
BeBop
> The moral decline began when jocks were given carte blanche to dis and
> pummel whoever they wanted to.
That's meaningless nonsense. Do us all a favor and use your noggin before you post next time.
Besides, it should be "whomever."
nee...@syix.com
> Why is everyone leaving out the possibility
> of involvement with drugs as a contributing
> factor to this insanity. America stays in
> denial about the effects of drugs, particularly
> the amphetamines, on the brain and their
> creation off thoughts and feelings which would
> otherwise be absent.
People do or don't do drug... all by choice....
Legal or illegal, anyone who wants them can get em...
The same **would be** true for guns too...
Only difference though, criminals would be packing, and the rest of us
would be their targets without impunity!!!
LN
bad...@cow-net.com
>The moral decline in U.S. and Canadian
>society really began to take off after 1960
>with the "liberal" revolution. Things have been
>going down hill at a seemingly
>accelerated pace ever since. Today for our youth
>the scene is sex, drugs, rock and roll--crime and
>violence. We have moved from Christianity to humanism
>and now to nihilism.
>You can read all about it in The Bell Curve, Slouching
>Towards Gomorrah or many other fine books. Sun Media columnist Michael
>Harris puts his finger on what is wrong with our society in this short
>essay "Blame spreads far and wide"
>i.e. from Bill Clinton and Hollywood to dysfunctional families. Please
>click on http://www.canoe.com/Columnists/harris_apr22.html
Thats right. Read all about it in the "Bell Curve". A purportedly
scientific work funded by eugenitist, racists and nazi's. Quoting
research funded by the same far right wacko organizations.
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ipm
> Why is everyone leaving out the possibility of involvement with drugs as a
> contributing factor to this insanity. America stays in denial about the
> effects of drugs, particularly the amphetamines, on the brain and their
> creation off thoughts and feelings which would otherwise be absent.
> M.
For crying out loud! Now that you and your hatemongering buddies have egg all
over your faces from trying to put a racial spin on this story, which turned
out be total bullshit, now you want to blame it on drugs. The fact is that
these killers were actually a bunch of anti-racist anarchists. The supposed
swastikas were the kind many anti-racists wear - the kind with a circle and a
diagonal line through the swastika. Another inconenient fact is that one of the
shooters has been shown to be a Jew (and don't give me any crap about him being
a protestant. His mom is certainly a Jew and anyone born of a Jewess is a Jew
as determined by the laws of Israel.)
These punks are a product of your kind of thinking.
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Aviator
ipm <i...@usaor.net> wrote in message news:3724049B...@usaor.net...
| Miguel O'Pastel wrote:
|
| > Why is everyone leaving out the possibility of involvement with drugs as
a
| > contributing factor to this insanity. America stays in denial about the
| > effects of drugs, particularly the amphetamines, on the brain and their
| > creation off thoughts and feelings which would otherwise be absent.
| > M.
|
| For crying out loud! Now that you and your hatemongering buddies have egg
all
| over your faces from trying to put a racial spin on this story, which
turned
| out be total bullshit, now you want to blame it on drugs. The fact is that
| these killers were actually a bunch of anti-racist anarchists
Eyewitnesses and fellow students have testified that these morons were Nazi
followers. They Idolized Hitler. They planned there attack for Hitlers
birthday.
Those, you idiotic moron, are the FACTS!!!
. The supposed
| swastikas were the kind many anti-racists wear - the kind with a circle
and a
| diagonal line through the swastika. Another inconenient fact is that one
of the
| shooters has been shown to be a Jew (and don't give me any crap about him
being
| a protestant. His mom is certainly a Jew and anyone born of a Jewess is a
Jew
| as determined by the laws of Israel.)
Where is your source and any other evidence of these "swastikas"???
Still trying to give Nazism respectability, Roger?? Not surprising for
someone who supports violent murderers
|
| These punks are a product of your kind of thinking.
Wrong , moron!! There is much more evidence of right wing extremism, and all
your pathetic whining wont change the FACTS!!!!!|
M.Simon
You have to understand where the rage comes from.
I have been talking a lot to people about this.
Its an epidemic. Jocks feel they have a right to humiliate non-jocks.
We had a jock in our local paper saying he had quit humiliating
non-jocks. He was afraid. And besides it was wrong.
But not so wrong that he would quit before he was afraid.
The saying on usenet: if all you can argue about is syntax and
spelling then perhaps you have run out of arguments.
Simon
================================
Fantomas
>
> Miguel O'Pastel wrote:
>
> > Why is everyone leaving out the possibility of involvement with drugs as a
> > contributing factor to this insanity. America stays in denial about the
> > effects of drugs, particularly the amphetamines, on the brain and their
> > creation off thoughts and feelings which would otherwise be absent.
> > M.
>
> For crying out loud! Now that you and your hatemongering buddies have egg all
> over your faces from trying to put a racial spin on this story, which turned
> out be total bullshit
Not according to the Guardian, the Telegraph, the BBC, CNN, El Mundo,
Liberation, and any number of other news media outlets. ( And Aviator,
being British, will know that the Guardian and the Telegraph are
about as opposite from each other as one can get ! )
, now you want to blame it on drugs. The fact is that
> these killers were actually a bunch of anti-racist anarchists. The supposed
> swastikas were the kind many anti-racists wear - the kind with a circle and a
> diagonal line through the swastika.
Total bullshit.
Another inconenient fact is that one of the
> shooters has been shown to be a Jew
One quarter according to the LA Times, just like Hitler
(and don't give me any crap about him being
> a protestant. His mom is certainly a Jew
According to the LA Times, her father was Jewish.
and anyone born of a Jewess
Which she was not. Her mother was gentile.
is a Jew
> as determined by the laws of Israel.)
The laws of Israel do not say that a Jewish grandfather makes one
a Jew. Actually, his descent was similar to that of Hitler and
many other Nazis such as Goebbels and Rosenberg.
Phil Ronzone
>
>Eyewitnesses and fellow students have testified that these
>morons were Nazi followers. They Idolized Hitler. They
>planned there attack for Hitlers birthday.
>
>Those, you idiotic moron, are the FACTS!!!
Correct indeed. A nice, to the point demonstration of socialism in practice,
brought to you by the followers of socialism.
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Phil Ronzone
>>You can read all about it in The Bell Curve, Slouching
>>Towards Gomorrah or many other fine books. Sun Media
>>columnist Michael Harris puts his finger on what is wrong
>>with our society in this short essay "Blame spreads far and
>>wide" i.e. from Bill Clinton and Hollywood to dysfunctional
>>families. Please click on
>>http://www.canoe.com/Columnists/harris_apr22.html
>>
>Thats right. Read all about it in the "Bell Curve". A
>purportedly scientific work funded by eugenitist, racists and
>nazi's. Quoting research funded by the same far right wacko
>organizations.
Snicker. So much shit, so little toilet paper.
Unlike normal book releases, there were NO advanced copies of the
Bell Curve released before books were shipped to bookstores.
Yet, IN SPITE OF NOT HAVING READ THE FUCKIN' BOOK, the long list
of PoliticallY Korrect / Kneww-jerk liberal assholes that nonetheless
attack a book they have not read includes just about every liberal goon
around.
There is even an anti-Bell Curve book. How does it refute ANYTHING in the
Bell Curve?
It doesn't.
It is full of slime and slander, such as at time so-an-so, someone told
person X who told Y who told the anti-Bell Curve authors that allegedly
on of the Bell Curve authors had sex with a prostitute.
Snicker.
And as usual, gee, if the book is so wrong, why then, refutation should be
so simple.
But no, all the above bozo can do is the usual ASSERTIONS, assertions
that are baseless and wrong.
Miguel O'Pastel
the other three guys.
M.
ipm wrote in message <3724049B...@usaor.net>...
:Miguel O'Pastel wrote:
:
:> Why is everyone leaving out the possibility of involvement with drugs as
a
:> contributing factor to this insanity. America stays in denial about the
:> effects of drugs, particularly the amphetamines, on the brain and their
:> creation off thoughts and feelings which would otherwise be absent.
:> M.
:
:For crying out loud! Now that you and your hatemongering buddies have egg
all
:over your faces from trying to put a racial spin on this story, which
turned
:these killers were actually a bunch of anti-racist anarchists. The supposed
:swastikas were the kind many anti-racists wear - the kind with a circle and
a
the
:shooters has been shown to be a Jew (and don't give me any crap about him
being
:a protestant. His mom is certainly a Jew and anyone born of a Jewess is a
Jew
:as determined by the laws of Israel.)
:These punks are a product of your kind of thinking.
:
:--
:
Nathan Engle
> Why is everyone leaving out the possibility of involvement with
> drugs as a contributing factor to this insanity.
The fact that those two young men in CO apparently did
not use drugs makes me reluctant to jump to that conclusion,
especially since doing so would be to ignore possible causes
for which there's actual empirical evidence.
There are many sources of stupidity, and in this case
I'd have to place the blame on things like lack of parental
supervision and the encouragement of like-minded peers.
> America stays in denial about the
> effects of drugs, particularly the amphetamines, on the brain and their
> creation off thoughts and feelings which would otherwise be absent.
> M.
Ok, if you really insist. What drugs were the murderers
taking? So far I haven't heard any evidence they were under
the influence of even a single aspirin tablet, either
immediately before the raid nor in the preceding year while
it was being planned.
Regardless of any habitual behavior you might have in that
regard, there are still some things which are simply ridiculous
to blame on drugs.
--
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Indiana University Dept of Psychology
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ipm
> ipm wrote:
> Another inconenient fact is that one of the
> > shooters has been shown to be a Jew
>
> One quarter according to the LA Times, just like Hitler
Nonsense. His mother's maiden name was Yassenoff, she was a Jewess. You demonstrate
even a the pretense of fact-checking. You have about as much credibility on this
story as any other, and that's ZERO!
> (and don't give me any crap about him being
> > a protestant. His mom is certainly a Jew
>
> According to the LA Times, her father was Jewish.
His mother was Jewish as proven by the following article from her hometown
newspaper:
http://library.dispatch.com:8000/cgi-bin/slwebcli.pl?DBLIST=cd99&DOCNUM=8022
MOTHER OF ONE KILLER GREW UP IN BEXLEY
Date: Friday, April 23, 1999
Section: NEWS
Page: 01A {BYLINE} BY DEAN NARCISO AND KEVIN KIDDER\DISPATCH POLICE REPORTERS
"Susan Klebold is the granddaughter of Leo Yassenoff, a philanthropist in the
Columbus Jewish community
and donor to the Leo Yassenoff Jewish Community Center of Columbus, 1125 College
Ave., which bears his
name.
Susan Yassenoff attended Temple Israel and the Columbus School for Girls, Feiertag
said. Spokesmen
from the temple and the school could not be reached."
> and anyone born of a Jewess
>
> Which she was not. Her mother was gentile.
You're wrong as I have just proven. His mother was a Jew and he is a Jew by the
fact of his birth regardless of his upbringing.
You've just been exposed as a liar, and not a very clever one! Give up already.
flexiboy
Miguel O'Pastel wrote:
> Why is everyone leaving out the possibility of involvement with drugs as a
> contributing factor to this insanity.
Or, for that matter, red meat?
> America stays in denial about the
> effects of drugs, particularly the amphetamines, on the brain and their
> creation off thoughts and feelings which would otherwise be absent.
America is in far worse denial about the effects of merciless taunting, teasing
and harassment that goes on in the school system by the "cool" crowd, and, like
the drug issue, I don't see the media or the teachers doing anything
constructive about it. You obviously discount the possibility that that alone
is enough to set some of the more unstable people off. Do you have any idea how
many kids and teachers believe that the issue is about black trenchcoats? Just
today on the news, I watched some assheaded bitch from a local school talk
about "getting tough" on trenchcoats, for christ's sake!
These idiots acually believe a dresscode will stop school violence!!
Look, these kids weren't sociopaths, they didn't torture animals while
masturbating on the school yearbook, or anything like that. They weren't born
crazy. They were MADE crazy, in one of the many ways their society can make
people crazy. This was no random event. For a year or more, the only thing that
kept them from killing themselves was their plan of revenge. They got NO
justice or protection or sympathy from the people who are supposed to provide
those things for them, so they made their own justice.
Your scapegoating of drugs shows the extent of our unwillingness to deal with
our real problems. You think you need drugs to explain how these kids got
fucked up? How about BULLYING JOCKS, LAZY TEACHERS, DETATCHED PARENTS, NAIVE
COUNSELORS AND CLUELESS ADMINISTRATORS. No one said raising children is an easy
task, but when was the last time you heard the abilities of school officials
called into question on the evening news?
Get a clue...
-flexiboy
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M.Simon <msi...@tefbbs.com> wrote in message
news:372380aa...@news.megsinet.net...
> >society really began to take off after 1960
> >with the "liberal" revolution. Things have been
> >going down hill at a seemingly
> >accelerated pace ever since. Today for our youth
> >the scene is sex, drugs, rock and roll--crime and
> >violence. We have moved from Christianity to humanism
> >and now to nihilism.
> >
> >Towards Gomorrah or many other fine books. Sun Media columnist
> >Michael Harris puts his finger on what is wrong with our
> >society in this short essay "Blame spreads far and wide"
> >i.e. from Bill Clinton and Hollywood to dysfunctional families.
> >Please click on http://www.canoe.com/Columnists/harris_apr22.html
>
>
> pummel whoever they wanted to.
>
>
> Simon
> ====================================
my views at this particular time or any other
That's a stretch, isn't it, Simon? Athletes responsible for the our moral
decline?
IMO, Bill Clinton by himself has more to do with it than "jocks."
As to "jocks," are you referring to the high profile college and
professional athletes who make headlines for drugs, sex, battery, and the
like? If so, they're hardly representative of the high schoolers at
Columbine HS. Plus, any "blindness" probably has to do with the
high-powered lawyers those rich athletes can afford, rather than from their
occupation.
Besides, it wasn't just athletes those two lunatics were after. It was also
kids who said they believed in God, kids who happened to be black.
Phil Ronzone
>Fantomas wrote:
>
>>ipm wrote:
>Nonsense. His mother's maiden name was Yassenoff, she was a
>Jewess. You demonstrate even a the pretense of fact-checking.
>You have about as much credibility on this story as any
>
>>
>>Which she was not. Her mother was gentile.
>>
>You're wrong as I have just proven. His mother was a Jew and
>he is a Jew by the fact of his birth regardless of his
>upbringing.
>
>You've just been exposed as a liar, and not a very clever
>one! Give up already.
>
>
>-- For White Unity, ipm
White Unity?
Snicker.
The GOOD thing about our remmants of the second amendment is that you can STILL
buy more that one firearm.
As in, after the nuclear war, when face with the above White Pwer asshole,
or, an asshole such as say, Gdy, I can TWO rifles top aim, which makes
for much less decision time as to who to, ummm, "encourage evolution"
first. Not that I'm actually proposoing any illegal of course. Of course,
after a nuke war, I WOULD be the locally "defining authority ...".
Or, in other words, say IPM, why don't go over to Slobbos side. I understand
all those Albanians have, umm, darker skin, and you get to shoot them free
and everything - like raping some dark meat.
Your skin may be white, but your mind is BLACK.
Aviator
Phil Ronzone <ph...@netcom.com> wrote in message
news:philFAt...@netcom.com...
| In article <7g1i5h$e9e$1...@fir.prod.itd.earthlink.net> "Aviator"
<S...@tter.com> writes:
| >
| >Eyewitnesses and fellow students have testified that these
| >morons were Nazi followers. They Idolized Hitler. They
| >planned there attack for Hitlers birthday.
| >
| >Those, you idiotic moron, are the FACTS!!!
|
| Correct indeed. A nice, to the point demonstration of socialism in
practice,
| brought to you by the followers of socialism.
Ronzone is the only person I know who uses 20 words to say exactly nothing.
But when the truth is out there, what can you do??
Aviator
ipm <i...@usaor.net> wrote in message news:3724EE47...@usaor.net...
| Fantomas wrote:
|
| > ipm wrote:
|
| > Another inconenient fact is that one of the
| > > shooters has been shown to be a Jew
| >
| > One quarter according to the LA Times, just like Hitler
|
demonstrate
| even a the pretense of fact-checking. You have about as much credibility
on this
Hehehehehe You lost again Roger. He is about as Jewish as Davis Hawk (real
name: Alan Greenbaum!!), the moronic Nazi from Wofford College who struts
around in a Gestapo uniform!! Hawk even calls his mother a "race-traitor"
Maybe youre Jewish as well, and are so filled with moronic self-hatred, that
you want to deny your own heritage!!
ROFL!!
s, her father was Jewish.
|
| His mother was Jewish as proven by the following article from her hometown
| newspaper:
|
|
http://library.dispatch.com:8000/cgi-bin/slwebcli.pl?DBLIST=cd99&DOCNUM=8022
|
| MOTHER OF ONE KILLER GREW UP IN BEXLEY
|
| Date: Friday, April 23, 1999
| Section: NEWS
| Page: 01A {BYLINE} BY DEAN NARCISO AND KEVIN KIDDER\DISPATCH POLICE
REPORTERS
|
|
| "Susan Klebold is the granddaughter of Leo Yassenoff, a philanthropist in
the
| Columbus Jewish community
| and donor to the Leo Yassenoff Jewish Community Center of Columbus, 1125
College
| Ave., which bears his
| name.
|
| Susan Yassenoff attended Temple Israel and the Columbus School for Girls,
Feiertag
| said. Spokesmen
| from the temple and the school could not be reached."
|
|
|
| > and anyone born of a Jewess
| >
| > Which she was not. Her mother was gentile.
|
| You're wrong as I have just proven. His mother was a Jew and he is a Jew
by the
| fact of his birth regardless of his upbringing.
You proved fuck all. You "alleged", and then used the "ureliable and
distorted Jewish Media" as your source
Hypocritical racist moron!!!
David Salvador Flores
>Compaq User wrote:
>
>
> > Here's the recipe:
>
> > Take adolescents inculcated with
> > the above "values."
> > Turn them into gun lovers.
> > Mix well.
>
> > And then, stand back.
>
>Alternate recipes could use in place of guns:
>
>machetes
Oh yeah, they'd have killed lots of people with machetes... NOT.
Interestingly, the coroner's office has reported that all
victims who died at Colombine died of gunshot wounds. No one
died from shrapnel... gives some idea of the comparative
lethality of these instruments.
-Dave
David Salvador Flores
Miguel O'Pastel <heresl...@you.kid> wrote:
>Why is everyone leaving out the possibility of involvement with drugs as a
>effects of drugs, particularly the amphetamines, on the brain and their
>creation off thoughts and feelings which would otherwise be absent.
The coroner found they were clean.
-Dave
Karen McFarlin
> The moral decline in U.S. and Canadian
> society really began to take off after 1960
> with the "liberal" revolution. Things have been
> going down hill at a seemingly
> accelerated pace ever since. Today for our youth
> the scene is sex, drugs, rock and roll--crime and
> violence. We have moved from Christianity to humanism
> and now to nihilism.
You can thank the free-market system for that. But this was not a moral
nation when the only people being massacred were Native Americans and our
"moral" philosophers kept human beings as property. Your analysis is just
more right-wing partisan bullshit.
> You can read all about it in The Bell Curve, Slouching
> Towards Gomorrah or many other fine books. Sun Media columnist
> Michael Harris puts his finger on what is wrong with our
> society in this short essay "Blame spreads far and wide"
> i.e. from Bill Clinton and Hollywood to dysfunctional families.
> Please click on http://www.canoe.com/Columnists/harris_apr22.html
You've left out all those corrupt politicians that take money from
corporations. Politicians who suck money from the gun-lobby want to put
the blame anywhere but where it really belongs. Increased fire-power and a
greedy society in which "if it can be sold - it will be sold" even if it's
death to kids.
Rob McFarlin
Mr. Horrible
>
> In article <372391bd$2$onqnzf$mr2...@news.cow-net.com> bad...@cow-net.com writes:
> >>Towards Gomorrah or many other fine books. Sun Media
> >>columnist Michael Harris puts his finger on what is wrong
> >>with our society in this short essay "Blame spreads far and
> >>wide" i.e. from Bill Clinton and Hollywood to dysfunctional
> >>families. Please click on
> >>http://www.canoe.com/Columnists/harris_apr22.html
> >>
> >purportedly scientific work funded by eugenitist, racists and
> >nazi's. Quoting research funded by the same far right wacko
> >organizations.
>
> Snicker. So much shit, so little toilet paper.
>
> Unlike normal book releases, there were NO advanced copies of the
> Bell Curve released before books were shipped to bookstores.
>
> Yet, IN SPITE OF NOT HAVING READ THE FUCKIN' BOOK, the long list
> of PoliticallY Korrect / Kneww-jerk liberal assholes that nonetheless
> attack a book they have not read includes just about every liberal goon
> around.
>
> There is even an anti-Bell Curve book. How does it refute ANYTHING in the
> Bell Curve?
>
> It doesn't.
>
> It is full of slime and slander, such as at time so-an-so, someone told
> person X who told Y who told the anti-Bell Curve authors that allegedly
> on of the Bell Curve authors had sex with a prostitute.
>
> Snicker.
>
> And as usual, gee, if the book is so wrong, why then, refutation should be
> so simple.
>
> But no, all the above bozo can do is the usual ASSERTIONS, assertions
> that are baseless and wrong.
Like, say, I'm gay?
Mr. H(omo?)
Dr Digi A Doobie THC
Marijuana stays in your system for 14 - 30 days or more.
Too bad someone didn't get these kids stoned. They may not have caused so
much heartache.
Don't EVEN try to blame this on drugs.
--
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Divided we're busted
David Salvador Flores <ds...@node9.unix.Virginia.EDU> wrote in message
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tcrpe
Patrick Lepine wrote in message <37224...@skyview.icrossroads.com>...
>The real cause is people like you who insult everyone who isn't as stupid
as
>you are.
And what have you just done?
If it stinks like Leftist hypocrisy, it is Leftist hypocrisy.
Nice job, Leftie.
Give Me Liberty Now !!!
>Miguel O'Pastel wrote:
>
>> Why is everyone leaving out the possibility of involvement with drugs as a
>> contributing factor to this insanity.
Because NO DRUGS were found in the blood of the shooter's
or the victims.
Find a new scapegoat, then try again.
Thanks for playing.
Someone should have given the kids a joint. They might have used
squirt guns instead.
Get a clue.
Drugs are not the problem. The governments war on drugs is.
(POT SMOKER's )
Marijuana begets laughter !
( The Governments War On Drugs )
Violence begets Violence !!
Get it?
It's just me, but I would rather hear laughter, than gunfire on the
streets of America. Just thinking out loud again.
End the war on drugs today.
The kid you save,
Just might be yours!
Calumet
Eric Chomko
: The moral decline in U.S. and Canadian
: society really began to take off after 1960
: with the "liberal" revolution. Things have been
: going down hill at a seemingly
But the conservatives screwed up badly with the assassinations of JFK, RFK
and MLK, as they became martyrs for the liberal movement. In short, you
have yourselves to blame for creating it in the first place.
: accelerated pace ever since. Today for our youth
: the scene is sex, drugs, rock and roll--crime and
: violence. We have moved from Christianity to humanism
: and now to nihilism.
The 60s was about peace not war. The US was set up as a nation where
religious freedom a right. IOW, how dare the majority force Christianity
on us if we are NOT Christians. Claiming that the US is a Christian nation
is un-American!
: You can read all about it in The Bell Curve, Slouching
: Towards Gomorrah or many other fine books. Sun Media columnist
: Michael Harris puts his finger on what is wrong with our
: society in this short essay "Blame spreads far and wide"
: i.e. from Bill Clinton and Hollywood to dysfunctional families.
: Please click on http://www.canoe.com/Columnists/harris_apr22.html
You just want a scapegoat so you have a place to blame society's woes.
Have you ever taken a look inside?
Eric
Give Me Liberty Now !!!
wrote:
>
>
>Miguel O'Pastel wrote:
>
>> Why is everyone leaving out the possibility of involvement with drugs as a
>> contributing factor to this insanity.
Because NO DRUGS were found in the blood of the shooter's
or the victims.
Find a new scapegoat, then try again.
The Slaughter House is open 24/7
Someone should have given these kids a joint.
They might have used squirt guns instead.
Get a clue!
Drugs are not the problem. The governments war on drugs is.
(POT SMOKER's )
Marijuana begets laughter !
( The Government's War On Drugs )
Violence begets Violence !!
Get it?
It's just me, but I would rather hear laughter, than gunfire on the
streets of America. Just thinking out loud again.
>Or, for that matter, red meat?
>
>> America stays in denial about the
>> effects of drugs, particularly the amphetamines, on the brain and their
>> creation off thoughts and feelings which would otherwise be absent.
America is in denial about it's violent policies that has lead to this
shit !!
>America is in far worse denial about the effects of merciless taunting, teasing
>and harassment
<snip>
How can they be in denial. That's government policy, (merciless
taunting, teasing and harassment ) is it not?
>These idiots acually believe a dresscode will stop school violence!!
100% idiot, I agree.
Dress codes have been tried before. Remember Hitler's youth programs?
Worked real good for him. That is if you want a bunch of "Nazi
Clones". That think just like you and can't think for themselves.
>Look, these kids weren't sociopaths, they didn't torture animals while
>masturbating on the school yearbook, or anything like that. They weren't born
>crazy. They were MADE crazy, in one of the many ways their society can make
>people crazy. This was no random event. For a year or more, the only thing that
>kept them from killing themselves was their plan of revenge. They got NO
>justice or protection or sympathy from the people who are supposed to provide
>those things for them, so they made their own justice.
>
>Your scapegoating of drugs shows the extent of our unwillingness to deal with
>our real problems. You think you need drugs to explain how these kids got
>fucked up? How about BULLYING JOCKS, LAZY TEACHERS, DETATCHED PARENTS, NAIVE
>COUNSELORS AND CLUELESS ADMINISTRATORS. No one said raising children is an easy
>task, but when was the last time you heard the abilities of school officials
>called into question on the evening news?
>
>Get a clue...
>
> -flexiboy
>
>
We have created this violent society with the tools of war.
( The Drug War ) How long can you wage war (merciless taunting,
teasing, harassment, incarceration and killing ) on and of your own
people, before they go crazy and shoot back?
Enjoy what you created or wise up and change the policy. The choice
is yours. Peace or war?
Bullets or squirt guns.
Think about it.
Calumet
David Salvador Flores
Compaq User <rohre...@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
>
>M.Simon <msi...@tefbbs.com> wrote in message
>news:372380aa...@news.megsinet.net...
>> On Sat, 24 Apr 1999 21:41:39 GMT, Cicero <cic...@home.com> wrote:
>>
>That's a stretch, isn't it, Simon?
Yeah.
>Athletes responsible for the our moral
>decline?
On the other hand....
-Dave
Miguel O'Pastel
M.
David Salvador Flores wrote in message
<7g4cdd$7eb$1...@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>...
:In article <O#kH8x4j#GA.219@cpmsnbbsa05>,
:Miguel O'Pastel <heresl...@you.kid> wrote:
:>Why is everyone leaving out the possibility of involvement with drugs as
a
:>effects of drugs, particularly the amphetamines, on the brain and their
:>creation off thoughts and feelings which would otherwise be absent.
:
:The coroner found they were clean.
:
:
:-Dave
Miguel O'Pastel
west who go berserk and are killed by police, etc. are using amphetamines.
M.
Dr Digi A Doobie THC wrote in message ...
:ZERO traces of ANY drugs, including alcohol.
:
:Marijuana stays in your system for 14 - 30 days or more.
:
:Too bad someone didn't get these kids stoned. They may not have caused so
:much heartache.
:
:Don't EVEN try to blame this on drugs.
:
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:David Salvador Flores <ds...@node9.unix.Virginia.EDU> wrote in message
:news:7g4cdd$7eb$1...@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU...
:> In article <O#kH8x4j#GA.219@cpmsnbbsa05>,
:
:
Phil Ronzone
>
>Phil Ronzone <ph...@netcom.com> wrote in message
>news:philFAt...@netcom.com...
>| In article <7g1i5h$e9e$1...@fir.prod.itd.earthlink.net> "Aviator"
><S...@tter.com> writes:
>| >
>| >Eyewitnesses and fellow students have testified that these
>| >morons were Nazi followers. They Idolized Hitler. They
>| >planned there attack for Hitlers birthday.
>| >
>| >Those, you idiotic moron, are the FACTS!!!
>|
>| Correct indeed. A nice, to the point demonstration of socialism in
>practice,
>| brought to you by the followers of socialism.
>
>Ronzone is the only person I know who uses 20 words to say exactly nothing.
>But when the truth is out there, what can you do??
I apologize for posting stuff that is hard to follow, but, I find it
difficult to use words of less than syllable for you.
But, if you read your history, you will see that socialism aka communism
aka fascism is an anti-human system which heavily relies on
pathologic personalities to achieve their twisted aims.
flexiboy
"Give Me Liberty Now !!!" wrote:
> America is in denial about it's violent policies that has lead to this
> shit !!
Agreed. But then, after I said:
> >America is in far worse denial about the effects of merciless taunting, teasing
> >and harassment
> <snip>
He said:
> How can they be in denial. That's government policy, (merciless
> taunting, teasing and harassment ) is it not?
So which is it, friend? In denial or not? Just because someone does something that
has unintended consequences, doesn't mean they automatically see those consequences.
Let's get a little bit more detailed. There are people who are in denial because a)
they are too stupid to draw conclusions, or b) won't draw conclusions for one reason
or another. Others are not in denial. They are either a) People like yourself who
want to solve problems that others are in denial about, and perhaps feel a moral
obligation to do so; and b) Those who feel no obligation other than
self-preservation and greed. So, some are in denial, some not. The ones who are in
denial vastly outnumber those who aren't. So, it's no surprise that most public
school teachers will fall into the "in denial" category.
> >These idiots acually believe a dresscode will stop school violence!!
>
> 100% idiot, I agree.
> Dress codes have been tried before. Remember Hitler's youth programs?
> Worked real good for him. That is if you want a bunch of "Nazi
> Clones". That think just like you and can't think for themselves.
OK, look, Every society needs standards. There's nothing inherently wrong with dress
codes. They deter cutting class, for example (thank god my high school never
implemented them). But what shows teachers' (and the media's) denial so clearly, is
the asinine assertion that a dresscode is somehow going to change basic human
nature. A retarded kid is just as ripe a target for harassment by his peers in a
uniform as he is in street clothes. They are grasping at straws, because they are
not creative enough to entertain the possibility that a common thread exists between
the recent cases of school violence.
And these are the people we trust to educate our children...Explains a lot, doesn't
it?
> >Look, these kids weren't sociopaths, they didn't torture animals while
> >masturbating on the school yearbook, or anything like that. They weren't born
> >crazy. They were MADE crazy, in one of the many ways their society can make
> >people crazy. This was no random event. For a year or more, the only thing that
> >kept them from killing themselves was their plan of revenge. They got NO
> >justice or protection or sympathy from the people who are supposed to provide
> >those things for them, so they made their own justice.
<snip>
> We have created this violent society with the tools of war.
> ( The Drug War ) How long can you wage war (merciless taunting,
> teasing, harassment, incarceration and killing ) on and of your own
> people, before they go crazy and shoot back?
I think we now know the answer.
-flexiboy
Phil Ronzone
>>machetes
>>
>Oh yeah, they'd have killed lots of people with machetes...
>NOT.
Ah, the ignorance of the kampus kids ...
Per the DOJ crime statistics, the Eastern seaboard states have the most
strict anti-gun (gun control) lawsa around. The per-capita murder rate
remains the same as the rest of the country, but, where in other parts of
the country the murder-by-gun to murder-by-not-gun is 50/50, in
the anti-guns states, it is typically 40% by gun, 60% by non gun.
The per capita murder rate is essentially unchanged.
Mr. Horrible
>
> In article <7g3s95$fjo$1...@ash.prod.itd.earthlink.net> "Aviator" <S...@tter.com> writes:
> >
> >Phil Ronzone <ph...@netcom.com> wrote in message
> >news:philFAt...@netcom.com..
> ><S...@tter.com> writes:
> >| >
> >| >Eyewitnesses and fellow students have testified that these
> >| >morons were Nazi followers. They Idolized Hitler. They
> >| >planned there attack for Hitlers birthday.
> >| >
> >| >Those, you idiotic moron, are the FACTS!!!
> >|
> >| Correct indeed. A nice, to the point demonstration of socialism in
> >practice,
> >| brought to you by the followers of socialism.
> >
> >Ronzone is the only person I know who uses 20 words to say exactly nothing.
> >But when the truth is out there, what can you do??
>
> I apologize for posting stuff that is hard to follow, but, I find it
> difficult to use words of less
That's twenty! Time's up.
Mr. H
Black Outrage
buried in your cellar are true, aren't they?
Aviator <S...@tter.com> wrote in message
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>
> Phil Ronzone <ph...@netcom.com> wrote in message
> news:philFAt...@netcom.com...
> | In article <7g1i5h$e9e$1...@fir.prod.itd.earthlink.net> "Aviator"
> <S...@tter.com> writes:
> | >
> | >Eyewitnesses and fellow students have testified that these
> | >morons were Nazi followers. They Idolized Hitler. They
> | >planned there attack for Hitlers birthday.
> | >
> | >Those, you idiotic moron, are the FACTS!!!
> |
> | Correct indeed. A nice, to the point demonstration of socialism in
> practice,
> | brought to you by the followers of socialism.
>
> Ronzone is the only person I know who uses 20 words to say exactly
nothing.
> But when the truth is out there, what can you do??
>
> |
> |
> |
Michael Ejercito
> In article <7g1i5h$e9e$1...@fir.prod.itd.earthlink.net> "Aviator"
<S...@tter.com> writes:
> >
> >Eyewitnesses and fellow students have testified that these
> >morons were Nazi followers. They Idolized Hitler. They
> >planned there attack for Hitlers birthday.
> >
> >Those, you idiotic moron, are the FACTS!!!
>
> Correct indeed. A nice, to the point demonstration of socialism in practice,
> brought to you by the followers of socialism.
I thiord that,Phil. I hope NAMBLA-socialists practice what they preach
and gas themselves.
Michael
CSULB College Republicans
For Truth,Justice,Freedom,and the American Way
Michael Ejercito
<S...@tter.com> wrote:
> Phil Ronzone <ph...@netcom.com> wrote in message
> news:philFAt...@netcom.com...
> | In article <7g1i5h$e9e$1...@fir.prod.itd.earthlink.net> "Aviator"
> <S...@tter.com> writes:
> | >
> | >Eyewitnesses and fellow students have testified that these
> | >morons were Nazi followers. They Idolized Hitler. They
> | >planned there attack for Hitlers birthday.
> | >
> | >Those, you idiotic moron, are the FACTS!!!
> |
> | Correct indeed. A nice, to the point demonstration of socialism in
> practice,
> | brought to you by the followers of socialism.
>
> Ronzone is the only person I know who uses 20 words to say exactly nothing.
> But when the truth is out there, what can you do??
What Phil says is true. The shooters were neo-nazis whom David Dahlman
of Seabrook,Texas (Rack Jite) calls POLITE and HONEST.
Michael Ejercito
> Fantomas wrote:
>
> > ipm wrote:
>
> > Another inconenient fact is that one of the
> > > shooters has been shown to be a Jew
> >
> > One quarter according to the LA Times, just like Hitler
>
> Nonsense. His mother's maiden name was Yassenoff, she was a Jewess. You
demonstrate
> even a the pretense of fact-checking. You have about as much credibility
on this
> story as any other, and that's ZERO!
Well,if he worshipped Hitler,then he should have gassed himself.
d...@cheetah.net
wrote:
>In article <3724EE47...@usaor.net>, ipm <i...@usaor.net> wrote:
>
>> Nonsense. His mother's maiden name was Yassenoff, she was a Jewess. You
>>demonstrate even a the pretense of fact-checking. You have about as much
>>credibility on this story as any other, and that's ZERO!
> Well,if he worshipped Hitler,then he should have gassed himself.
>
>
> Michael
>
>
The gas was in the form of
bullets, bombs, and hate.
DCI
Aviator
| >news:philFAt...@netcom.com...
| >| In article <7g1i5h$e9e$1...@fir.prod.itd.earthlink.net> "Aviator"
| ><S...@tter.com> writes:
| >| >
| >| >Eyewitnesses and fellow students have testified that these
| >| >morons were Nazi followers. They Idolized Hitler. They
| >| >planned there attack for Hitlers birthday.
| >| >
| >| >Those, you idiotic moron, are the FACTS!!!
| >|
| >| Correct indeed. A nice, to the point demonstration of socialism in
| >practice,
| >| brought to you by the followers of socialism.
| >
| >Ronzone is the only person I know who uses 20 words to say exactly
nothing.
| >But when the truth is out there, what can you do??
|
|
|
|
| But, if you read your history, you will see that socialism aka communism
| aka fascism is an anti-human system which heavily relies on
| pathologic personalities to achieve their twisted aims.
Apparently, the big words you use are purely to cover your ignorance.
Fascism is the same as socialism?? Maybe you should get a dictionary,
Ozone!!
ROFL!!!!!|
Rick Jones
wrote:
>Snicker. So much shit, so little toilet paper.
>
>Unlike normal book releases, there were NO advanced copies of the
>Bell Curve released before books were shipped to bookstores.
>
>Yet, IN SPITE OF NOT HAVING READ THE FUCKIN' BOOK, the long list
>of PoliticallY Korrect / Kneww-jerk liberal assholes that nonetheless
>attack a book they have not read includes just about every liberal goon
>around.
List some of them.
Give Me Liberty Now !!!
wrote:
>
>
>"Give Me Liberty Now !!!" wrote:
>
>> America is in denial about it's violent policies that has lead to this
>> shit !!
>
>Agreed. But then, after I said:
>
>> >America is in far worse denial about the effects of merciless taunting, teasing
>> >and harassment
>> <snip>
>
>He said:
Yes, I said:
>> How can they be in denial? That's government policy, (merciless
>> taunting, teasing and harassment ) is it not?
>
>So which is it, friend? In denial or not?
Sarcasm on my part, I do believe.
Not at you, but the whole mess.
The answer would be denial in this case.
Hiding behind a scapegoat and being in denial about the goat their
hinding behind. Because they choose not to face the truth and deal
with it.
Any why you slice it, it comes up Denial.
>Just because someone does something that
>has unintended consequences, doesn't mean they automatically see those consequences.
>Let's get a little bit more detailed. There are people who are in denial because a)
>they are too stupid to draw conclusions, or b) won't draw conclusions for one reason
>or another. Others are not in denial. They are either a) People like yourself who
>want to solve problems that others are in denial about, and perhaps feel a moral
>obligation to do so; and b) Those who feel no obligation other than
>self-preservation and greed. So, some are in denial, some not. The ones who are in
>denial vastly outnumber those who aren't. So, it's no surprise that most public
>school teachers will fall into the "in denial" category.
Agreed. Yet some are just plain blind sheep. I mean 30 years asleep,
to consequences, is not very automatic.
>> >These idiots acually believe a dresscode will stop school violence!!
>>
>> 100% idiot, I agree.
>> Dress codes have been tried before. Remember Hitler's youth programs?
>> Worked real good for him. That is if you want a bunch of "Nazi
>> Clones". That think just like you and can't think for themselves.
>
>OK, look, Every society needs standards.
Agreed.
>There's nothing inherently wrong with dress
>codes.
In a free society?
Standards, yes.
Dress codes, no.
>They deter cutting class, for example (thank god my high school never
>implemented them).
How do they deter cutting class?
I'm thanking God also for never implementing them.
I want free thinkers, not clones.
The government not only wants them to look alike, they want them to
think alike. Cloned sheep are much easier to control, don't you
think?
>But what shows teachers' (and the media's) denial so clearly, is
>the asinine assertion that a dresscode is somehow going to change basic human
>nature.
Is it not also basic human nature to fuck off sometimes?
You know, look out the window, skip class, smoke pot.
Hey, I found the original gateway.
First we look out the window, then we skip class and then we smoke
pot. This is where it all starts. Taking that first look out of a
window. I guess, we just need to ban all windows in the schools now.
Hey, I think, they think this also. They want bars on them now. Then
they will move on to no windows at all.
>A retarded kid is just as ripe a target for harassment by his peers in a
>uniform as he is in street clothes. They are grasping at straws, because they are
>not creative enough to entertain the possibility that a common thread exists between
>the recent cases of school violence.
I don't really see it as a denial issue. I see it as a plan to
control sheep. They are just hiding it behind a scapegoat.
That looks like denial and a whole lot of other things.
>And these are the people we trust to educate our children...Explains a lot, doesn't
>it?
Yes, and then some.
>> >Look, these kids weren't sociopaths, they didn't torture animals while
>> >masturbating on the school yearbook, or anything like that. They weren't born
>> >crazy. They were MADE crazy, in one of the many ways their society can make
>> >people crazy. This was no random event. For a year or more, the only thing that
>> >kept them from killing themselves was their plan of revenge. They got NO
>> >justice or protection or sympathy from the people who are supposed to provide
>> >those things for them, so they made their own justice.
>
><snip>
>
>> We have created this violent society with the tools of war.
>> ( The Drug War ) How long can you wage war (merciless taunting,
>> teasing, harassment, incarceration and killing ) on and of your own
>> people, before they go crazy and shoot back?
>
>I think we now know the answer.
At least those that have taken that first look out of the window and
liked what they saw. Others looked out the window and saw nothing.
They just bleated and went back to chewing on the bullshit.
Give Me Liberty Now !!!
<heresl...@you.kid> wrote:
>It occurred to me to mention that because so many of the criminals in the
>west who go berserk and are killed by police, etc. are using amphetamines.
>M.
So if you were jacked up on diet pills or ritalin ( amphetamines or
methylphenidate ) and coffee and a bunch of nazi types came busting
in on you in the middle of the night. While you were up cramming for a
test the next day. You would ask if they wanted coffee or tea?
Don't believe everything you read in the paper friend.
The pharmaceutical companies don't want you to know the two mentioned
above, are the same thing as meth on the street. One we give to fat
people, the other we have all the hyperactive kids in school on.
Remember, they said marijuana would turn you into a blood sucking bat.
That could fly around in the courtroom. True story friend. Look it up.
This guy was the government's expert medical witness and did testify
to this very statement in an open U.S. court. Back in 1937/38
Does anyone remember what the guys name was?
He also did the marijuana studies on the dog's brains, by injection.
With no known injectable marijuana synthetic or derivative at this
date in time. The government's expert medical adviser for marijuana
prohibition. The marijuana Tax act of 1937.
Oh, I forgot, the government/cops wouldn't lie, scare the shit out of
you. Most people who use meth, do so to stay up all night and party.
Not engage in shootouts with police.
Yet, cops breaking in on someone high or not, tends to make people
kind of, and or crazy, don't you think?
By the way, how many of these people did you see go nuts on PCP, Meth
or any other illegal drug personally.
Does two out of millions make a epidemic?
You will keep an eye out for those marijuana bats for us, wont you?
Calumet
Give Me Liberty Now !!!
<heresl...@you.kid> wrote:
>That's even more scary.
>M.
Boo !!!!
Got ya.
Calumet
P.S.
I just have to laugh at my self for this one.
Don't take it the wrong way M.
David Salvador Flores
Miguel O'Pastel <heresl...@you.kid> wrote:
>That's even more scary.
Yup.
>M.
>David Salvador Flores wrote in message
><7g4cdd$7eb$1...@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>...
>:In article <O#kH8x4j#GA.219@cpmsnbbsa05>,
>:Miguel O'Pastel <heresl...@you.kid> wrote:
>:>Why is everyone leaving out the possibility of involvement with drugs as
>a
>:>contributing factor to this insanity. America stays in denial about the
>:>effects of drugs, particularly the amphetamines, on the brain and their
>:>creation off thoughts and feelings which would otherwise be absent.
>:
>:
>:The coroner found they were clean.
>:
>:
>:-Dave
>
>
-Dave
David Salvador Flores
>In article <7g4cbq$7aq$1...@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> ds...@node9.unix.Virginia.EDU (David Salvador Flores) writes:
> >>machetes
> >>
> >Oh yeah, they'd have killed lots of people with machetes...
> >NOT.
>
>
>Ah, the ignorance of the kampus kids ...
You really think that if these kids had come into the school with machetes
they'd have killed thirteen classmates? That's ridiculous. They may have
maimed, or even killed one or two, but its much easier for a dozen kids
with desks, chairs, books, garbage cans, and a myriad of other items at
hand to disable a machete wielding teenager than one armed with a sawed
off shotgun and a Tec-9.
>
>Per the DOJ crime statistics, the Eastern seaboard states have the most
>strict anti-gun (gun control) lawsa around. The per-capita murder rate
>remains the same as the rest of the country, but, where in other parts of
>the country the murder-by-gun to murder-by-not-gun is 50/50, in
>the anti-guns states, it is typically 40% by gun, 60% by non gun.
Which says nothing about the situation we were discussing. Perhaps you
should go *back* to school.
>
>The per capita murder rate is essentially unchanged.
>
>
>--
>---
>Let justice prevail though the Heavens fall. Judge, and prepare to be judged.
>
-Dave
Mr. Horrible
>
> In article <7g4cbq$7aq$1...@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> ds...@node9.unix.Virginia.EDU (David Salvador Flores) writes:
> >>machetes
> >>
> >Oh yeah, they'd have killed lots of people with machetes...
> >NOT.
>
> Ah, the ignorance of the kampus kids ...
>
> strict anti-gun (gun control) lawsa around. The per-capita murder rate
> remains the same as the rest of the country, but, where in other parts of
> the country the murder-by-gun to murder-by-not-gun is 50/50, in
> the anti-guns states, it is typically 40% by gun, 60% by non gun.
>
Ah, the ignorance of Phil Ronzone.
Correlation does not prove causation.
Perhaps the existence of stricter gun laws in states with higher gun
crime rates indicates that the crimes were there first and the states
responded with stricter laws. The laws may be there because they are
needed more. I'm not saying this is the case, I'm just saying you can't
assume it's not. But as we know, that won't stop you.
Mr. H
Lars P Ormberg
> In <37219E08...@home.com>, on 04/24/99
>
> >The moral decline in U.S. and Canadian
> >society really began to take off after 1960
> >with the "liberal" revolution. Things have been
> >going down hill at a seemingly
> >the scene is sex, drugs, rock and roll--crime and
> >violence. We have moved from Christianity to humanism
> >and now to nihilism.
>
> >Towards Gomorrah or many other fine books. Sun Media columnist Michael
> >Harris puts his finger on what is wrong with our society in this short
> >essay "Blame spreads far and wide"
> >i.e. from Bill Clinton and Hollywood to dysfunctional families. Please
> >click on http://www.canoe.com/Columnists/harris_apr22.html
>
> scientific work funded by eugenitist, racists and nazi's.
Perhaps. Where was it wrong? Where was the data in error?
"Ethnocentrism on IQ tests" isn't an excuse. Asians scored higher than
whites according to the studies done, so unless there was a 60% Asian
ethnocentrism component and a 40% European ethnocentrism component, there
goes that.
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x@y.z
Flores) wrote:
> You really think that if these kids had come into the school with machetes
> they'd have killed thirteen classmates? That's ridiculous. They may have
At issue is the cause:
- Crappy parents. How the hell could you NOT be aware your kid has bomb
making materials in your house? Or dresses like a punk?
- Weak-kneed bureaucrats and public schools that can't or won't do fuck all.
Once upon a time a girl could be sent home to change because the skirt she
wore to school showed off her knees. Expel a kid for wielding a knife in
school, and the parents sue the school and the courts force the school to take
the kid back in.
Doesn't anyone notice that none of this shit goes on in private religious
schools? You've NEVER heard of a Jewish gang doing a school drive-by. Or
some Catholic boys dressed in black and walking in and shooting up a seminary.
Why? Because private religious schools surround kids with VALUES and
EXPECTATIONS. When expectations are not met there is judgement, and
punishment which is swift, certain, and severe.
flexiboy
"Give Me Liberty Now !!!" wrote:
> Agreed. Yet some are just plain blind sheep. I mean 30 years asleep,
> to consequences, is not very automatic.
Sheep are all right until big bad wolves figure out how to get them to slaughter each
other.
> >> >These idiots acually believe a dresscode will stop school violence!!
> >>
> >> 100% idiot, I agree.
> >> Dress codes have been tried before. Remember Hitler's youth programs?
> >> Worked real good for him. That is if you want a bunch of "Nazi
> >> Clones". That think just like you and can't think for themselves.
> >
> >OK, look, Every society needs standards.
>
> Agreed.
>
> >There's nothing inherently wrong with dress
> >codes.
>
> In a free society?
>
> Standards, yes.
> Dress codes, no.
>
> >They deter cutting class, for example (thank god my high school never
> >implemented them).
>
> How do they deter cutting class?
Say you go to 1st period, ditch 2nd & 3rd, come back for lunch. Easy, unless you have to
change out of a uniform into street clothes to go off campus, then change back upon
return. Everyone around the campus knows what to look for. You have to be extra sneaky.
Oh, sure, some will get away with it. Some will say, "fuck it, I'm not going to school at
all if I can't skip." Good riddance to them. Part of the problem in this country is that
high school teaching is a baybysitting job. It's adolescent daycare for dumbasses, and
the material is dumbed down accordingly.
Wow, I've made a pretty good argument (perhaps?) for something that I despise. But I
can't think of any other good reason besides the above for a dresscode. Let the schools
decide for themselves, others will follow if it works. In any event, it's not going to
make any difference in school violence. If not trenchcoats, tattoos, shaved heads,
whatever.
> I'm thanking God also for never implementing them.
>
> I want free thinkers, not clones.
You won't get clones, no matter how hard you try anyways. For the same reason you won't
stop school shootings. Still, some people would trade a little bit of individuality to
save their very ass. Too bad for them it's a moot point. People separate into groups,
it's a natural fact, from nightclubs to boarding schools, factories to fraternities. The
dorks will be just as ostracized as they are now. I can't believe people don't see this.
> The government not only wants them to look alike, they want them to
> think alike. Cloned sheep are much easier to control, don't you
> think?
We're back to standards again. I would say that they'd rather sheep not think at all, and
the declining U.S. test scores certainly lend credence to my arguement. I think the
ethical way to control people is through sane, rational policies. I fully agree with you
in that we're about as far from sanity as a society can get. The supression of accurate
information, and the dispensing of deliberate misinformation in our public schools will
be a sad chapter of tomorrow's history books. That is, if history is still being taught.
> >But what shows teachers' (and the media's) denial so clearly, is
> >the asinine assertion that a dresscode is somehow going to change basic human
> >nature.
>
> Is it not also basic human nature to fuck off sometimes?
> You know, look out the window, skip class, smoke pot.
> Hey, I found the original gateway.
Quick! Someone go tell McGoofy!
> First we look out the window, then we skip class and then we smoke
> pot. This is where it all starts. Taking that first look out of a
> window. I guess, we just need to ban all windows in the schools now.
Of course it's human nature to not want to do what you're told, or even what you have to
do. But what are you saying? Teachers should let kids skip class if they want to, because
it's basic human nature? Hey, look. Personally I believe education is a priveledge. By
the time a kid is in high school it's pretty apparant if he doesn't give a shit. There's
not much to keep him there anyways, if he's smart enough to know how fucked his education
really is. The dumbasses who drop out will drop out regardless of how wonderful the
education, but the smart kid's the real tragedy.
> Hey, I think, they think this also. They want bars on them now. Then
> they will move on to no windows at all.
>
> >A retarded kid is just as ripe a target for harassment by his peers in a
> >uniform as he is in street clothes. They are grasping at straws, because they are
> >not creative enough to entertain the possibility that a common thread exists between
> >the recent cases of school violence.
>
> I don't really see it as a denial issue. I see it as a plan to
> control sheep. They are just hiding it behind a scapegoat.
> That looks like denial and a whole lot of other things.
Hmm...I hadn't thought of that. You could be right, but I'd need more evidence to reach
that conclusion, at least _specifically_ for the schools. But yeah, the country is
definitely headed towards a police state, and the only thing that has a chance of turning
us around is the forum through which you and I are having this discussion. If I say
something ridiculous, you can quote me and pin me down on issues. This isn't the way
politics works as of now.
> >And these are the people we trust to educate our children...Explains a lot, doesn't
> >it?
>
> Yes, and then some.
>
>
>
> At least those that have taken that first look out of the window and
> liked what they saw. Others looked out the window and saw nothing.
> They just bleated and went back to chewing on the bullshit.
Um...OK, man, whatever...
-flexiboy
David Salvador Flores
<x@y.z> wrote:
>On Wed, 28 Apr 1999 12:57:42, ds...@node15.unix.Virginia.EDU (David Salvador
>Flores) wrote:
>
>> You really think that if these kids had come into the school with machetes
>> they'd have killed thirteen classmates? That's ridiculous. They may have
>
>At issue is the cause:
>
>- Crappy parents. How the hell could you NOT be aware your kid has bomb
>making materials in your house? Or dresses like a punk?
I used to make bombs when I was a kid. My friends did too. Our parents
had no clue. Its not like you have to set up an exotic lab with beakers
and all sorts of exotic materials. You just need a bag of gunpowder, some
pipes and some endcaps. We never made pipe-bombs, though. We used
industrial sized electric fuses (like you'd put into a fuse box).
Still, one wonders why the kids parents let them continue to hang out
together after the broke into a car together.
>
>- Weak-kneed bureaucrats and public schools that can't or won't do fuck all.
>Once upon a time a girl could be sent home to change because the skirt she
>wore to school showed off her knees. Expel a kid for wielding a knife in
>school, and the parents sue the school and the courts force the school to take
>the kid back in.
I doubt short skirts were the problem here. From what I've read, these
kids were almost never in trouble at school. They also made good grades.
They just dressed differently. Perhaps you'd like to mandate uniforms.
>
>Doesn't anyone notice that none of this shit goes on in private religious
>schools? You've NEVER heard of a Jewish gang doing a school drive-by. Or
>some Catholic boys dressed in black and walking in and shooting up a seminary.
I went to a private Episcopalian school. We had a stabbing.
Also, consider that the proportion of kids going to private schools is
much lower than those going to public schools. Consider finally that
public schools have admissions standards that weed out kids they don't
want. The public schools have to accept everybody, since its part of their
mandate
-Dave
Rick Jones
>In alt.politics.clinton Cicero <cic...@home.com> wrote:
>: The moral decline in U.S. and Canadian
>: society really began to take off after 1960
>: with the "liberal" revolution. Things have been
>: going down hill at a seemingly
>
>But the conservatives screwed up badly with the assassinations of JFK, RFK
>and MLK, as they became martyrs for the liberal movement.
Leaving aside the whole conspiracy theory bullshit, how was JFK a
liberal? A rich kid whose family bought him every election he ran in,
who got his country involved in Vietnam and damn well started World
War III, who did less for civil rights than either his predecessor or
his successor... not much meaningful, positive liberalism there.
Kennedy was one of the worst Presidents of this century, and easily
the most overrated.
>>: accelerated pace ever since. Today for our youth
>: the scene is sex, drugs, rock and roll--crime and
>: violence. We have moved from Christianity to humanism
>: and now to nihilism.
>
>The 60s was about peace not war.
How were the 60's about peace? The major issue of the day wasn't
Vietnam, it was race and civil rights - and that was a very ugly issue
indeed. Vietnam ran a close second, but Vietnam wasn't all that
peaceful, either.
Miguel O'Pastel
the problem. You know how it is to go off your meds and get crazy, right?
M.
rrcrumb wrote in message <3i9W2.707$uh4.2...@news2.mia>...
:> Don't EVEN try to blame this on drugs.
:
: ========== YEAH RIGHT !! ==================
:
:
:
:The Washington Post (4/29/99, A1) reports that Columbine
:gunman Eric Harris was on a prescription antidepressant,
:a new drug called "Luvox." A net search finds that Luvox
:"can activate mania in susceptible patients" (source:
:http://www.begin.com/redoak/medications/luvox.html)
:
:The manufacturer's prescription insert says: "LUVOX Tablets
:should be used cautiously in patients with a history of mania."
:http://www.ocdresource.com/ocdresource.nsf/pages/Diagnosis+Luvox
:
:Symptoms of "mania" include: "Provocative, intrusive, or aggressive
:behavior" (see: http://mentalhelp.net/articles/grohol/bipolar.htm)
:A National Institute of Mental Health webpage includes the following
:mania symptoms (http://www.nimh.nih.gov/dart1/need2no/symptoms.htm):
:
: Symptoms of Mania Include
:
: * Inappropriate elation
: * Inappropriate irritability
: * Grandiose notions
: * Disconnected and racing thoughts
: * Markedly increased energy
: * Poor judgment
: * Inappropriate social behavior
:
:all of which appear to be applicable to the actions and
:grandiose ideas of Eric Harris, which included an plan
:in which, after killing their fellow students, the two
:would escape to an Island in Mexico and then return to
:the US to crash a plane into New York City. Wow! Now
:if that's not a "grandiose notion" pray tell what is?
:
:It's only too clear that Eric Harris manifested the
:known side effects of the drug and/or physiological
:symptoms contraindicated for the drug, and thus he
:should have (a) never been prescribed Luvox, or (b)
:been taken off it; which is of course 100% apparent
:only in hindsight. The Post didn't mention the drug's
:side effects, only that the Marines rejected him since
:he was on the drug (it may have hurt him in several ways).
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:Dr Digi A Doobie THC <di...@stonernet.org> wrote in message
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:> ZERO traces of ANY drugs, including alcohol.
:>
:> Marijuana stays in your system for 14 - 30 days or more.
:>
:> Too bad someone didn't get these kids stoned. They may not have caused so
:> much heartache.
:>
:> Don't EVEN try to blame this on drugs.
:>
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:> Divided we're busted
:> David Salvador Flores <ds...@node9.unix.Virginia.EDU> wrote in message
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bad...@cow-net.com
>> Thats right. Read all about it in the "Bell Curve". A purportedly
>> scientific work funded by eugenitist, racists and nazi's.
>Perhaps. Where was it wrong? Where was the data in error?
>"Ethnocentrism on IQ tests" isn't an excuse. Asians scored higher than
>whites according to the studies done, so unless there was a 60% Asian
>ethnocentrism component and a 40% European ethnocentrism component, there
>goes that.
The American Academy of Scientists, The American Association of
Geneticists, and the American Society of Psychologists have all issued
lenghty criticisms of various aspects of the "Bell Curve".
Quoted from the addenda to "The Demon Haunted World" by Carl Sagan "In
the January 5, 1996, issue of "Science", the Herrnstein/Murray book 'The
Bell Curve' (pp. 360-361) is criticized by members of a National Institute
of Health committee concerned with the ethical, legal, and social
implications of 'genetic determinism.' They stress (1) environmental as
well as genetic influences on intelligence; (2) even traits that are
highly heritable can be strongly affected by the environment; and (3) the
inheritance of complex traits such as intelligence is unpredictable. The
committee 'deplores' The Bell Curve and characterizes its conclusion as
'unjustifiable' and 'dangerous'.
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mr bummer
>The moral decline in U.S. and Canadian
>society really began to take off after 1960
>with the "liberal" revolution. Things have been
>going down hill at a seemingly
>accelerated pace ever since. Today for our youth
>the scene is sex, drugs, rock and roll--crime and
>violence. We have moved from Christianity to humanism
>and now to nihilism.
>
>You can read all about it in The Bell Curve, Slouching
>Towards Gomorrah or many other fine books. Sun Media columnist
>Michael Harris puts his finger on what is wrong with our
>society in this short essay "Blame spreads far and wide"
>i.e. from Bill Clinton and Hollywood to dysfunctional families.
WINNER OF STUPIDEST POST OF THE MONTH!!!!
mr bummer
>
>Patrick Lepine wrote in message <37224...@skyview.icrossroads.com>...
>
>>The real cause is people like you who insult everyone who isn't as stupid
>as
>>you are.
>
>
>And what have you just done?
>
>If it stinks like Leftist hypocrisy, it is Leftist hypocrisy.
>
>Nice job, Leftie.
Wow. "Leftie." Pretty harsh, man! Next thing you know, you'll start
calling people POOPIE HEADS!
mr bummer
>Also, consider that the proportion of kids going to private schools is
>much lower than those going to public schools. Consider finally that
>public schools have admissions standards that weed out kids they don't
>want. The public schools have to accept everybody, since its part of their
>mandate
>
>-Dave
Go Dave!
Good point.
mr bummer
>There is even an anti-Bell Curve book. How does it refute ANYTHING in the
>Bell Curve?
>
>It doesn't.
Actually, Gould's 1991 edition of "The Mismeasure of Man" proves "The
Bell Curve" wrong at every level.
>It is full of slime and slander, such as at time so-an-so, someone told
>person X who told Y who told the anti-Bell Curve authors that allegedly
>on of the Bell Curve authors had sex with a prostitute.
False. "Measured Lies" refutes the text, chapter by chapter.
>Snicker.
>
>And as usual, gee, if the book is so wrong, why then, refutation should be
>so simple.
>But no, all the above bozo can do is the usual ASSERTIONS, assertions
>that are baseless and wrong.
I read "The Bell Curve" and found out that the authors themselves
didn't bother to make an argument in it. In each chapter, they offer
admittedly vague, partial data that rarely relates to the ideas in the
other chapters. But that doesn't prevent them from beginning each new
chapter by asserting that everything you've read so far has been
proven.
It's comical, really, and sad. If you bother to read it, I promise you
you'll be stunned at how empty the book is. All of those footnotes are
irrelevant.
Here's the punchline: A lot of rightwingers like to cite "The Bell
Curve" as proof of .... something. Once you read it, you'll know that
they *haven't* and, as usual, they don't have a clue what they're
talking about.
mr bummer
>Perhaps. Where was it wrong? Where was the data in error?
>
>"Ethnocentrism on IQ tests" isn't an excuse. Asians scored higher than
>whites according to the studies done, so unless there was a 60% Asian
>ethnocentrism component and a 40% European ethnocentrism component, there
>goes that.
>
Jews score highest, according to "The Bell Curve." That fact is
quickly glossed over as unimportant.
I wonder why.......
Andrew Mulcahy
>====================================
>On Sat, 24 Apr 1999 21:41:39 GMT, Cicero <cic...@home.com> wrote:
>
>>The moral decline in U.S. and Canadian
>>society really began to take off after 1960
>>with the "liberal" revolution. Things have been
>>going down hill at a seemingly
>>accelerated pace ever since.
since - a woman now controls her own body, children are now
trained to report their preachers and school teachers when
they get raped instead of accepting it silently, and
homosexuals no longer have to live in a closet. ( Except for
homophobic queers, of course, but that is self inflicted.)
> Today for our youth
>>the scene is sex, drugs, rock and roll--crime and
>>violence. We have moved from Christianity to humanism
>>and now to nihilism.
Isn't it funny, then, that here we have the U.S as
the most religious of the western nations by large measure
and this problem seems to center there? Sure looks like
being more religious is a health hazard from here. Maybe
they should ban the bible.
And don't put us Canadians in the same category -
-our death rate from firearms is a trickle compared with the
states, and even this recent one in Alberta was in our Bible
belt. Unlike Canadians,where one fifth of the people are
agnostic or atheists and most never go to church, there are
a mere 13% unbelievers in the U.S and most go to church.
Yet Americans kill far more people than do Canadians - -even
on a per capita basis. Indeed, the rate of firearm deaths in
the United States is eight times that of any other high
income country. The death rate amongst children under 15 in
the U.S. due to firearms is 15 times that of the 25 other
industrialized countries **combined**
52% of Americans still believe in the creation
theory, for Christ's sake! If religious practice stopped
crime, the U.S should be as crime free as you can get.
Cheers,
Andy
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Phil Ronzone
>In article <7g3s95$fjo$1...@ash.prod.itd.earthlink.net>,
>"Aviator" <S...@tter.com> wrote:
>>Ronzone is the only person I know who uses 20 words to say
>>exactly nothing. But when the truth is out there, what can
>>you do??
>David Dahlman of Seabrook,Texas (Rack Jite) calls POLITE and
>HONEST.
Yep. Is is amazing fun to watch idiots spout and posture and scream,
WHILE UNABLE TO FACTUALLY ANYTHING I'VE POSTED.
Typical Politically Korrect Krap.
"Mommy, mommy, stop that man, He's mentioning FACTS! My ears hurt ..."
Josh Geller UD
> In article <mejercit-270...@134.139.52.27>
> meje...@csulb.edu (Michael Ejercito) writes:
> >In article <7g3s95$fjo$1...@ash.prod.itd.earthlink.net>,
> >"Aviator" <S...@tter.com> wrote:
> >> Ronzone is the only person I know who uses 20 words to say
> >> exactly nothing.
I have never seen Phil Ronzone do this, and I have been reading his
posts, now, for almost ten years.
> >> But when the truth is out there, what can
> >> you do??
What is Truth?
By the way, I will note that there is one immediately obvious thing
that seperates Phil, Mike and myself on the one hand from you on the
other.
What might that thing be, "Aviator" <s...@tter.com>?
> > What Phil says is true. The shooters were neo-nazis whom
> > David Dahlman of Seabrook,Texas (Rack Jite) calls POLITE and
> > HONEST.
They were a couple of twisted antisocial High School boys.
They more or less announced their intention way in advance.
The murders are an act in a tragedy.
The crime is that these boys were not noticed long before what they
did.
> Yep. Is is amazing fun to watch idiots spout and posture and scream,
> WHILE UNABLE TO FACTUALLY ANYTHING I'VE POSTED.
"Aviator" <s...@tter.com>, Phil is one of the more annoying posters on
USENET.
He is deliberately annoying.
If you want to get anywhere with me, you will ignore the annoying
parts and respond to the points he raises, which are always there, and
never inconsequential.
Also, try using your real name. What, after all, do you yourself
personally have to hide?
Best All Ways,
Josh Geller, UD
Sean Meyer
>The moral decline in U.S. and Canadian
>society really began to take off after 1960
>with the "liberal" revolution. Things have been
>going down hill at a seemingly
>accelerated pace ever since. Today for our youth
>the scene is sex, drugs, rock and roll--crime and
>violence. We have moved from Christianity to humanism
>and now to nihilism.
Didn't you say in your Frank Sinatra post that you didn't believe in God?
"'There is no God' sayeth the wicked,
'and truly 'tis a blessing
For what He might have done with us,
it's better only guessing.'"
Sir Francis Bacon
Phil Ronzone
>In article <372cda76...@news.islandnet.com>,
>m...@islandnet.com (Andrew Mulcahy) wrote:
>
>>mere 13% unbelievers in the U.S and most go to church. Yet
>>Americans kill far more people than do Canadians - -even on a
>>per capita basis. Indeed, the rate of firearm deaths in the
>>United States is eight times that of any other high income
>>country. The death rate amongst children under 15 in the U.S.
>>due to firearms is 15 times that of the 25 other
>>industrialized countries **combined** 52% of Americans still
>>believe in the creation theory, for Christ's sake! If
>>religious practice stopped crime, the U.S should be as crime
>>free as you can get. Cheers, Andy * * * * * * * *
Andrew Mulcahy is, well, full of lies.
The homicide from firearms per capita is around 9 per 100,000 population.
Excluding just FIVE cities with large black populations, the HPC is
3.1. Comopares rather nicely with say, Germanies 2.9 now doesn't it?
And that's a pre-unification figure.
The children murdered by firearms (and explosives) is quite low in
the US. Indeed, there were TWO years where the UK had a higher per capita
rate than the US on children (13 and under).
As of 1992, we had less than 100 children (under 13 is the common
statiscal grouping here) murdered by firearms.
Now given that Brazil is in tghe TOP 20 of industrialzed countries, and
they have 3,000+ homeless children murdered each year, this LIE of
15 times "combined", is well, just a hysterical made up junk fact.
The "government" child/sex/slave ring they broke up in Belgium 3 or so
years ago is KNOWN to have murdered 8 children - which per capita, is
~240 children per our 100.
In any case, I would like later statistics. I have only the two editions
of World Crime Statistics, which stop in 1991. Which are interesting,
because aside from murder, the US is TYPICALLY in 7th to 10th place among
violents crimes compared to Europe/UK. I think both Manchester
and Hamburg had 5x our per capita rape rates.
Interesting ...
john monteith
Phil Ronzone wrote:
> In article <karen-02059...@209.78.171.107> ka...@snowcrest.net (Karen McFarlin) writes:
> >In article <372cda76...@news.islandnet.com>,
> >m...@islandnet.com (Andrew Mulcahy) wrote:
> >
> >>mere 13% unbelievers in the U.S and most go to church. Yet
> >>Americans kill far more people than do Canadians - -even on a
> >>per capita basis. Indeed, the rate of firearm deaths in the
> >>United States is eight times that of any other high income
> >>country. The death rate amongst children under 15 in the U.S.
> >>due to firearms is 15 times that of the 25 other
> >>industrialized countries **combined** 52% of Americans still
> >>believe in the creation theory, for Christ's sake! If
> >>religious practice stopped crime, the U.S should be as crime
> >>free as you can get. Cheers, Andy * * * * * * * *
>
> Andrew Mulcahy is, well, full of lies.
>
> The homicide from firearms per capita is around 9 per 100,000 population.
>
> Excluding just FIVE cities with large black populations, the HPC is
> 3.1. Comopares rather nicely with say, Germanies 2.9 now doesn't it?
why do exclude them?
>
>
> And that's a pre-unification figure.
>
> The children murdered by firearms (and explosives) is quite low in
> the US. Indeed, there were TWO years where the UK had a higher per capita
> rate than the US on children (13 and under).
which 2 years and what about the other years. explosives and UK which means
you are including Northen Ireland. You might have excluded it as you did
the 3 cities.
>
>
> As of 1992, we had less than 100 children (under 13 is the common
> statiscal grouping here) murdered by firearms.
try stats over 13 Phil or include children to 18 years.and you might
get a better idea.
>
>
> Now given that Brazil is in tghe TOP 20 of industrialzed countries, and
> they have 3,000+ homeless children murdered each year, this LIE of
> 15 times "combined", is well, just a hysterical made up junk fact.
>
> The "government" child/sex/slave ring they broke up in Belgium 3 or so
> years ago is KNOWN to have murdered 8 children - which per capita, is
> ~240 children per our 100.
>
> In any case, I would like later statistics. I have only the two editions
> of World Crime Statistics, which stop in 1991. Which are interesting,
> because aside from murder, the US is TYPICALLY in 7th to 10th place among
> violents crimes compared to Europe/UK. I think both Manchester
> and Hamburg had 5x our per capita rape rates.
violent crimes typically include crimes other than murder.
>
>
> Interesting ...
> yes very
> --
> ---
>
Mark E. Warner
columbine massacre.
I bet if we look hard enough that we will find the Harris
traveled to to Kiev as a child, worked for a time as a CIA
stooge in Bonn and later was turned down by the Marines as
a cover for his entended exploits as an paid assasin for
the FBI out to get a nuclear weapons spy who posed as a
teenage student at the high school.
... or may these two guys were just plain nuts.
Michael Ejercito
Michael
CSULB College Republicans
For Truth,Justice,Freedom,and the American Way
Phil Ronzone
>>Excluding just FIVE cities with large black populations, the
>>HPC is 3.1. Comopares rather nicely with say, Germanies 2.9
>>now doesn't it?
>>
>why do exclude them?
Because it needs same-type comparisions. If the UK had 5 East St. Louis'es,
then it would be a comparision.
>>The children murdered by firearms (and explosives) is quite
>>low in the US. Indeed, there were TWO years where the UK had
>>a higher per capita rate than the US on children (13 and
>>under).
>>
>which 2 years and what about the other years. explosives and
>UK which means you are including Northen Ireland. You might
>have excluded it as you did the 3 cities.
The excluded cities mainly contained drug-dealer A kills dealer B.
Something that no matter how HIGH that rate is, doesn't affect me.
Killing of children does.
>>As of 1992, we had less than 100 children (under 13 is the
>>common statiscal grouping here) murdered by firearms.
>>
>try stats over 13 Phil or include children to 18 years.and
>you might get a better idea.
Snicker. thank you, You are third person to fall for that.
Actually, the ONLY way to get the hysterical anti-gun numbers of
37,000 "children" killed by firearms each year, is to include the
bulk of them in the age 18-25 grouping!!! And that includes suicides.
Of course, some people are so poor in argument they want to call an 18-25 year
old person a "child".
On the whole subject:
In article <708fv8$j...@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> "CeeJay" <oooh...@worldnet.att.net> writes:
>>>Actually Britian does exceed the US in all categories except
>>>rape and murder,and even they are catching up. I heard this
>>>on a CBS news radio network.It was attributed to the English
>>>version of the FBI's statistical dept.
>>>
>>"Except murder and rape?" Gee, we must be doing great! Are
>>you paying any attention at all to what you're saying?
>>
>Do you pay attention to what you read? ie:"rapidly catching
>up"?
>
>The english have EXCEEDED us in ALL violent crimes except
>rape and murder which they will exceed us in the next 5
>years. (Violent crime = felony assault,muggings,spousal
>abuse,armed robbery......Get the picture?)
From WSJ, 16-Oct-98:
Burglary rates compared to the US:
Australia 40% higher
Canada 12% higher
UK and Wales 30% higher
Sweden 35% higher
netherlands 84% higher
Robbery rate:
UK is 40% higher
Assault rate
UK is over TWICE the US rate!
Article by Moragn O. Reynolds, director of the Criminal
Justice Center at the National Center for Policy
Analysis.
Eric Freeman
news:7gln2h$5...@news1.snet.net...
> You will find some of the causes at
>
> http://www.adbusters.org/campaigns/hyperlinks/ksu.html
There was only one cause of the Columbine massacre: small pieces of metal
traveling at high velocity.
Eric
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john monteith
Phil Ronzone wrote:
> In article <372E2A5A...@bc.sympatico.ca> john monteith <john_m...@bc.sympatico.ca> writes:
> >>Excluding just FIVE cities with large black populations, the
> >>HPC is 3.1. Comopares rather nicely with say, Germanies 2.9
> >>now doesn't it?
> >>
> >why do exclude them?
>
> Because it needs same-type comparisions. If the UK had 5 East St. Louis'es,
> then it would be a comparision.
I nice massaging Phil. pick your own varibles how can any comparison be made
at all then between differnent cultures think about it Phil, we only want the truth here
I am not here to get you so drop the defensive paranoia.
>
>
> >>The children murdered by firearms (and explosives) is quite
> >>low in the US. Indeed, there were TWO years where the UK had
> >>a higher per capita rate than the US on children (13 and
> >>under).
> >>
> >which 2 years and what about the other years. explosives and
> >UK which means you are including Northen Ireland. You might
> >have excluded it as you did the 3 cities.
>
> The excluded cities mainly contained drug-dealer A kills dealer B.
> Something that no matter how HIGH that rate is, doesn't affect me.
nice spin and at least honest but not very scientific.
>
>
> Killing of children does.
>
> >>As of 1992, we had less than 100 children (under 13 is the
> >>common statiscal grouping here) murdered by firearms.
> >>
> >try stats over 13 Phil or include children to 18 years.and
> >you might get a better idea.
>
> Snicker. thank you, You are third person to fall for that.
fall for what Phil drop your ego for a sec. Iam interested as any
thinking person would be in children over the age of 13 which to anyone thinking
represents a significant portion of what we call........... Children
>
>
> Actually, the ONLY way to get the hysterical anti-gun numbers of
> 37,000 "children" killed by firearms each year, is to include the
> bulk of them in the age 18-25 grouping!!! And that includes suicides.
defamation of the opponent is for the lazy Phil, your smarter than that
aren`t you. 37,000. hmmm doesn`t seen significant at all does it Phil.
>
>
> Of course, some people are so poor in argument they want to call an 18-25 year
> old person a "child".
well Phil 13 - 18 would be nice if they where available,
meeting your criteria for "poor in an argument" would
I guess mean not agreeing with you but after the self
serving way you have just presented the stats one would have no
choice.
>
>
> John M
if you don`t mind I would like to check out the site you got these stats
you know , for ideological bias in methodology.
If not I find it myself.
Phil Ronzone
>
>Phil Ronzone wrote:
>
>>In article <372E2A5A...@bc.sympatico.ca> john monteith
>><john_m...@bc.sympatico.ca> writes:
>>>>Excluding just FIVE cities with large black populations, the
>>>>HPC is 3.1. Comopares rather nicely with say, Germanies 2.9
>>>>now doesn't it?
>>>>
>>>why do exclude them?
>>>
>>Because it needs same-type comparisions. If the UK had 5 East
>>St. Louis'es, then it would be a comparision.
>>
>I nice massaging Phil. pick your own varibles how can any
>comparison be made at all then between differnent cultures
>think about it Phil, we only want the truth here I am not
>here to get you so drop the defensive paranoia.
Eh? I excluded Northern Ireland. THAT place kills almost as many kids
as East St. Louis (our worst US city).
Murder, while high, is STILL a predominatly criminal killing criminal
activity, and thus of not major concern to a non-criminal.
Violent crimes, rape, robbery are of a STRONGER concern, and that;s where
Europe and the UK have MUCH higher per-capita rates.
And growing too, as the UK proceeds to its total ban on firearms.
Karen McFarlin
(Michael Ejercito) wrote:
> National socialism.
>
>
> Michael
>
>
> CSULB College Republicans
I always knew there was a connection between the two.
RMcF
Karen McFarlin
They're watching more American TV shows and movies. Cultural contamination.
Hey! It's a "free market system!" Doesn't matter if the product is
perversion and death as long as we go supply-side, does it?
More guns for the crazy peasants!
Rob McFarlin
Phil Ronzone
>>And growing too, as the UK proceeds to its total ban on
>>firearms.
>>
>They're watching more American TV shows and movies. Cultural
>contamination.
>
>Hey! It's a "free market system!" Doesn't matter if the
>product is perversion and death as long as we go supply-side,
>does it?
>
>More guns for the crazy peasants!
Snicker. As mature adults that believe in freedom, one knows that freedom means
that people WILL do/engage in/speak about things that YOU will find
objectionable to detestable.
Whether it is 30-man anonymous unprotected sex orgies of the homosexuals,
or Joe 6-pack watching the Simpsons, it WILL happen.
And mature adults know that JUST BECAUSE they don't like it, it should
NOT be illegal, as long as there is no coercion.
People like you display the tendency to want to make it illegal if you
don't "like" it.
The FACTS are that in States with the newly enacted concealed carry laws
have lower crimes rates, with lowering or less than average crime-growth
rates.
England, which has been banning more and more types of fiurearms since
the mid-60's, has far greater rates of violence.
Karen McFarlin
> In article <karen-12059...@209.78.170.104> ka...@snowcrest.net
(Karen McFarlin) writes:
> >>And growing too, as the UK proceeds to its total ban on
> >>firearms.
> >>
> >They're watching more American TV shows and movies. Cultural
> >contamination.
> >
> >Hey! It's a "free market system!" Doesn't matter if the
> >product is perversion and death as long as we go supply-side,
> >does it?
> >
> >More guns for the crazy peasants!
>
> Snicker. As mature adults that believe in freedom, one knows that
freedom means
> that people WILL do/engage in/speak about things that YOU will find
> objectionable to detestable.
So those same "mature adults" must accept the consequences of their
so-called "freedom." Events like the Columbine Massacre are the logical
extension of that so-called "freedom." "Freedom" is an abstraction.
Liberty is defined by law.
> Whether it is 30-man anonymous unprotected sex orgies of the homosexuals,
> or Joe 6-pack watching the Simpsons, it WILL happen.
I'm not gay. Your attempt to drag me into a discussion of indiscriminate
gay sex is noted, and shit-canned. You're interested in gay sex. I'm not.
> And mature adults know that JUST BECAUSE they don't like it, it should
> NOT be illegal, as long as there is no coercion.
Your concept of what constitutes "coercion" is a narrow one. We've been
down this road before.
> People like you display the tendency to want to make it illegal if you
> don't "like" it.
The only thing I want to make illegal are a certain species of weapons.
Which does not include handguns. I am opposed to banning handguns.
> The FACTS are that in States with the newly enacted concealed carry laws
> have lower crimes rates, with lowering or less than average crime-growth
> rates.
All the crime rates in the United States are dropping. (Undoubtably due to
two continuous democratic administrations.)
> England, which has been banning more and more types of fiurearms since
> the mid-60's, has far greater rates of violence.
Proof please. How many people were killed in Great Britain last year by
guns? How many in the U.S.? What is the per-capita rate?
I've been to Great Britain. Have you?
Rob McFarlin
Andrew Mulcahy
McFarlin) wrote:
Actually, the rate of firearm deaths in the United
States is eight times that of any other high income country.
The death rate amongst children under 15 in the U.S. due to
firearms is 15 times that of 25 other industrialized
countries **combined**
And the U.S. is by far the most religious country
amongst industrialized nations, so that rules lack of
religion out as a cause.
Actually, I can't see what the mystery is all about.
These kids, like the lad in Alberta who selectively shot his
classmates and the guy who killed a bunch in a transit
station in Ottawa recently, were all simply getting back at
people who had vilified them. Understandable.
What makes the Columbine case worse is that these
kills were not selective enough- killing indiscriminately.
But in all cases. the killer(s) had, in their opinion,. good
reason to kill. No mystery here. No need to look for
fanciful causes.
Cheers,
Andy
One Culture: The Human Culture
One Race: The Human Race