Ogle for Santa Cruz City Council -- campaign headquarters.
jo...@cruzio.com
Office sought -- City Council
Date of election -- November 8, 1994
City -- Santa Cruz, California
Thank you for your interest in my campaign. This campaign will
be experimental in that I would like to begin, maintain and
end my campaign on Internet. And should I win, I will maintain
communication with Santa Cruz residents here on Internet.
You may have read about my
campaign for Governor here on Internet, so you may be aware
of the issues that I care so deeply about, which are;
-- Proportional representation
-- The economy
-- Passive solar energy design
-- Bicycle lane design
A (long) summary about the candidate;
I was born at a very young age (grin) in Birmingham, Alabama. I
attended several colleges and Universities including The School
of the Art Institute of Chicago, the Cape School of Impressionism
in Cape Cod, Massechusetts, the University of Alabama and Birmingham
Southern.
I studied architectural design for two years at the University
of Oregon and drafting at Southern Institute.
I never graduated, and I persued my career in art instead.
After living in a tipi along the Truckee River at Lake Tahoe, I
moved to Carmel, California where I owned and operated the fine
art serigraph studio, Ogle Gallery & Graphics from '84 to '86.
I produced and sold my art with water-color paint which I made
from scratch.
It was at this location that I became interested in politics
because my friend Tim Grady ran for Mayor of Carmel as an
Environmentalist Party member against Clint Eastwood in 1986.
I ran for Carmel City Council in 1988.
In 1989, I moved my business to Santa Cruz, to the historical
Cooper House building where my 4400 square foot gallery/frame
shop was located when the 7.1 Loma Prieta Earthquake struck.
I was inside the building when the earth shook as I watched
the barryl-vaulted ceilings roll with the movements of the earth.
Seven days later the building was NEEDLESSLY demolished by
governmental action. Having lost my business to bureaucratic
ineptitude (I was insured, but not insured against demolition
by governmental action) I remained interested in politics.
The business losses to me and the artists that I representaed
were over $100,000. This, combined with the exposure of
the unfairness, corruption and outright lies of the Santa
Cruz election system, motivates my campain.
A request for donations, it's the first time I've done this;
As the Secretary of the Environemntalist Party, an organization
made up of more than 98 Americans accross our great country, I'd
like to begin to solicit for donations to finance my campaign,
to help educate every citizen in Santa Cruz -- not about my own
struggles -- but about proportional representation. True, I
ran for Santa Cruz City Council in 1992 on a platform of
district elections. In that election, and in my campaign for US
Congress, (17th Congressional District) in a special election
last year and in my race for Governor this year, I never asked
for financial donations. The Environmentalist Party has NEVER
accepted any donations, as a registered PAC in California and
with the Federal Elections Commission, but the time to act is now.
I'll need at least $3000. to win my campaign;
I'm an experienced campaigner, but I know now that my campaign
will need cash in order to win, as I've studied my opponants'
winning campaigns. I'll be running as an independent this year.
What I will do for you;
For donations, I will run my campaign here on this thread openly
to you, as long as there is (positive or negative) responses
from you, the readers. Should I get anonymous donations, I will post
that information, along with all other reporting on this thread,
unless specified otherwise. With a $150. donation, I will ship you
a very detailed hand-painted original print of my art of Monterey,
Carmel or Lake Tahoe. Other artists are working with me as well,
so there is a great selection of art to choose from. Look around your
walls, do you need some art?
About me;
My mother and two of my four sisters live and work around Berkeley.
I'm 36 years old, single and I traval to art festivals and I paint
landscapes for a living. I'm self-employed, so I have time
to persue the campaign. I get a kick out of art, politics and
hiking to the top of big mountains. (where I'll be June 20 - 24th)
I presently make about $20,000. to $36,000. per year in art sales,
though I peaked in 1989. If you are interested in other information
about my campaign or me, please do not hesitate to ask.
To me, proportional representation is very important, and this
year is the year to start, here in Santa Cruz.
--James Ogle
Post Office Box 7884
Santa Cruz, California 95061-7884
--
The Environmentalist Party of America ****========
James Ogle, Secretary ****========
jo...@cruzio.com ============
I'm a patriot, working for Proportional Revolution. ============
Robert D West
In article <CrIv8...@cruzio.com> jo...@cruzio.com writes:
>Candidate name -- James Ogle
>Office sought -- City Council
>Date of election -- November 8, 1994
>City -- Santa Cruz, California
Haven't we seen this before??
Two years ago your platform was "districted elections," which seem
as far away from proportional representation as one could imagine
--- indeed, it would have brought constituency districts of the
sort you seemed to be complaining about during your gubernatorial
campaign to the local level, and quite possibly could have frozen
out the student vote by consolidating it in particular districts.
So tell me James, how do you plan to manage districted proportional
representation without increasing the size of the city council
multifold? Or have you abandoned that particular silly idea?
>Thank you for your interest in my campaign. This campaign will
>be experimental in that I would like to begin, maintain and
>end my campaign on Internet. And should I win, I will maintain
>communication with Santa Cruz residents here on Internet.
Hmm. Interesting idea. I would be more sympathetic to it if I
actually thought you would be a decent candidate.
>-- Proportional representation
>-- The economy
>-- Passive solar energy design
>-- Bicycle lane design
Given the latter two, you should be asking the council to review
your qualifications for a position on the public works department,
not running for city council. But let's address the first two: what
is your solution to the economic problems in the city of santa
cruz, and why do you think proportional representation at the city
council level will help us address our problems?
>
>As the Secretary of the Environemntalist Party, an organization
>made up of more than 98 Americans accross our great country, I'd
Why does this not impress me?
>What I will do for you;
Hmm.
How about giving me a reason to vote for you, which you have yet to
do in *any* of your campaigns?
>The Environmentalist Party of America ****========
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
The very name of this party offends me somewhat, as it Sounds like
you the party is trying to usurp the environmentalist label for
themselves, and is essentially pulling an "if you aren't with us
you're against us" type propoganda trick where anyone who doesn't
support them is *obviously* not interested in environmental
protection.
--
"A bombing strike on Bosnia is a declaration of war on Russia; it
is the beginning of World War III"
-Vladimir Zhirinovsky
aph...@cats.ucsc.edu | Robert D. West
gerry harbison
[an overt campaign advertisement, begging for dollars]
A fundamental question: should political advertisements be allowed on
USENET? If we abhor Canter & $eigel, shouldn't we object also to this?
It seems just as much an abuse of shared resources for personal
reward.
Gerry
Robert A. Klahn
gerry harbison (harb...@unlinfo.unl.edu) wrote:
: jo...@cruzio.com writes:
While I realy dont want to take the bandwith to point this out, the
difference is: Mr. Ogle, in his wisdom, picked relevant newsgroups.
He did not, unlike C&S, spam all of newsspace.
While there may be some element of personal reward in the solicitation
of political contributions, it is at least less of a degree than
asking for $$$$ for what a 29 cent stamp can get you.
I think the general rule is this: Try not to ask for money. If you
have to, at least keep it within the subject of the group. I could be
wrong, but it seems reasonable to me.
: Gerry
Followups to: news.admin.policy
--
Robert A. Klahn kl...@migsol.com BOB#3177
"Reality must take precedence over public relations,
for nature cannot be fooled." -- Richard Feynman
jo...@cruzio.com
> In article <CrIv8...@cruzio.com> jo...@cruzio.com writes:
> >Candidate name -- James Ogle
> >Office sought -- City Council
> >Date of election -- November 8, 1994
> >City -- Santa Cruz, California
>
> Two years ago your platform was "districted elections," which seem
> as far away from proportional representation as one could imagine
> --- indeed, it would have brought constituency districts of the
> sort you seemed to be complaining about during your gubernatorial
> campaign to the local level, and quite possibly could have frozen
> out the student vote by consolidating it in particular districts.
"... frozen out the student vote ..."? Oh, you fell for the
typical Democratic Party false propeganda in which the media
implied that there was a proposal to redistrict the UCSC students
*out* of the city? This was the ONLY story which reached the
student media about the Enivironmentalist Coalition's proposal
to create district elections in Santa Cruz, and it was contrary
to our proposal, I assure you.
And to answer your question about why I switched from supporting
districts to proportional representation -- frankly, I had only
heard about PR at about October 1st, just before the November
election in '92 -- I didn't know about PR yet.
> So tell me James, how do you plan to manage districted proportional
> representation without increasing the size of the city council
> multifold?
Not "districted proportional representation", as you say.
My proposal is a for a council elected by PR. (Presently
the council is seven-members, elected at-large.)
> >Thank you for your interest in my campaign. This campaign will
> >be experimental in that I would like to begin, maintain and
> >end my campaign on Internet. And should I win, I will maintain
> >communication with Santa Cruz residents here on Internet.
> >-- Proportional representation
> >-- The economy
> >-- Passive solar energy design
> >-- Bicycle lane design
>
> Given the latter two, you should be asking the council to review
> your qualifications for a position on the public works department,
> not running for city council.
Well, it would have been nice if the council listened to the citizens'
proposals for rebuilding Santa Cruz after the earthquake, when the
planning was being done. Instead, look at what we got downtown.
But since the city council basically ignored the residents' desires,
I did apply to several of those committees for positions and
I was turned down. Being ignored, I've decided to run for a
council seat, myself. Remember, this is America, ANYONE can be
*President* of America. (or city council members)
> But let's address the first two: what
> is your solution to the economic problems in the city of santa
> cruz, and why do you think proportional representation at the city
> council level will help us address our problems?
I'm spearheading proportional representation for America. I want
to work my way up to the White House from the Santa Cruz City
Council. Entire countries have better economies with coalition
governments than the US does. I'm going to lead the way for
fair elections for ALL of America.
And besides, with proportional representation, the Santa Cruz Latino
population can finally win a seat one day. For example,
Cambridge Massechusttes has had PR since 1940, and that city,
being about 14% black, has ALWAYS had at least one person of
color on the city council since 1950.
> >As the Secretary of the Environemntalist Party, an organization
> >made up of more than 98 Americans accross our great country, I'd
>
> Why does this not impress me?
Look buddy, I'm not trying to impress you, I'm giving you the
facts. What Party are you with, the (un)Democratic Party?
The Environmentalist Party
and the Green Party are the only democratically legit, elected
national committees in the US. I'm going to help ALL other
parties such as the Patriot Party, with proportional representation.
I'm also a director with Northern California Citizens for
Proportional Represenation and I was elected to this position
in a democratically legit election.
> How about giving me a reason to vote for you, which you have yet to
> do in *any* of your campaigns?
I'm a proportionalist. Proportionalism is what Santa Cruz needs,
vote for whoever you wish to vote for.
> >The Environmentalist Party of America ****========
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> The very name of this party offends me somewhat, as it Sounds like
> you the party is trying to usurp the environmentalist label for
> themselves, and is essentially pulling an "if you aren't with us
> you're against us" type propoganda trick where anyone who doesn't
> support them is *obviously* not interested in environmental
> protection.
I'm glad that you're interested in saving the environment.
--James
--
The Environmentalist Party of America ****========
Don Steiny
>And to answer your question about why I switched from supporting
>districts to proportional representation -- frankly, I had only
>heard about PR at about October 1st, just before the November
>election in '92 -- I didn't know about PR yet.
Ever the trendy guy.
--
Don Steiny - ste...@steiny.com - http://steiny.com/steiny.html
Don Steiny Software - 214 Calvin Place - Santa Cruz, CA 95060
(408) 425-0382 - fax: (408) 425-1919
"success is 99% failure" - Honda
Robert D West
In article <CrKwG...@cruzio.com> jo...@cruzio.com writes:
>> campaign to the local level, and quite possibly could have frozen
>> out the student vote by consolidating it in particular districts.
>
>"... frozen out the student vote ..."? Oh, you fell for the
>typical Democratic Party false propeganda in which the media
>implied that there was a proposal to redistrict the UCSC students
>*out* of the city? This was the ONLY story which reached the
>student media about the Enivironmentalist Coalition's proposal
>to create district elections in Santa Cruz, and it was contrary
>to our proposal, I assure you.
Hah hah hah hah hah hah.
Actually, I don't *listen* to the party's propoganda, and haven't
ever since I walked into their headquarters and asked them to tell
me why I should vote for their candidate AND THEY COULDN'T.
I feel like I'm rehashing something here, but here it is anyway:
there are approximately 30,000 registered voters within the city
limits, and about 5000 of them are registered on campus. This means
the campus is large enough for its own district, assuming we keep a
seven-member city council. And since a rational districting
proposal would preserve neighborhood integrity (anything else would
be gerrymandering), the university would almost certainly have to
have its own district.
Council terms are four years in length, right? But the thing is,
almost *nobody* lives on campus for more than nine months at a
time, and even if you ignore the summers, few live on campus for
more than one or two academic years. (I was there for three, and
that continues to astonish my student friends).
So here's the scenario: someone is elected from inside the
district, moves elsewhere in the city, and is forced by state law
to resign their seat. The city council appoints their replacement
---- and the students who live on campus are now represented by a
city councilman appointed by a group whom they did not elect and
which is not responsible to them.
Sounds like it would freeze out the student vote to me.
I had a conversation with you about this after the debate on
campus, as I recall, and you didn't seem to get the point *at all*,
which frightened me even more.
>
>Not "districted proportional representation", as you say.
>My proposal is a for a council elected by PR. (Presently
>the council is seven-members, elected at-large.)
OK: how do you work proportional representation with a 7-member
board? Or is the plan to increase the size of the city council
(which is the only way PR works in major european cities)?
>
>But since the city council basically ignored the residents' desires,
Some got ignored. Some were listened to. That's the nature of
democracy ---- and while i'm not thrilled with the result, I'm not
convinced that all "normal people" were shut out of the process,
either.
>I'm spearheading proportional representation for America. I want
>to work my way up to the White House from the Santa Cruz City
>Council. Entire countries have better economies with coalition
>governments than the US does.
"Correlation does not equal causation."
>And besides, with proportional representation, the Santa Cruz Latino
>population can finally win a seat one day. For example,
>Cambridge Massechusttes has had PR since 1940, and that city,
>being about 14% black, has ALWAYS had at least one person of
>color on the city council since 1950.
So?
When I vote, the race/sex/orientation of the candidates is
completely irrelevant to me. I'm more concerned with qualifications
and with what the candidates have said about the direction
government should be moving in .... Why should we necessarily elect
a Latino simply because he or she is of Latin American descent,
regardless of the qualifications and views of the candidates?
>
>Look buddy, I'm not trying to impress you, I'm giving you the
>facts. What Party are you with, the (un)Democratic Party?
Actually if you call the courthouse they may have me down as
democrat currently as I reregistered to vote in the primary (being
fairly certain that I'd vote for the Democrat Governor candidate in
November, I thought it would be useful to vote in their primary. I
was wrong). I have reregistered as Green again, however.
My comment about being impressed was in response to the notion that
an organization consisting of 98 individuals is politically
legitimate or important. The UCSC College Democrats is a larger
organization.
>I'm a proportionalist. Proportionalism is what Santa Cruz needs,
>vote for whoever you wish to vote for.
You've said that proportionalism is what we need numerous times.
You have yet to say anything, however, about *what* problems we
have that proportionalism will help us solve, and how it will do
so, nor have you made a compelling case that proportionalism is
better than constituency districts or at-large city council
elections on aesthetic or moral grounds.
I'm not opposed to proportionalism. But shouting "proportionalism
is good" isn't the way to convince *anyone*, and that seems to be
what you are doing. Which is why I think your campaign is doomed
--- if you can't convince someone who has considered proportional
representation in the past (which I have, as it seems more
aesthetically pleasing and more democratically idealistic somehow),
how can you convince those who are utterly opposed to it?
--
"I look at my life, and I feel i've done all the right things, so
why is it I end up like this?"
--OJ Simpson
aph...@gorn.iuma.com | Robert D. West