Thanksgiving night: Grass Valley to San Diego
Michael Angelo Ravera
(which has more opportunity for no reservation accomodation stops and
where we would go at the first sign of snow), I-5, or US-101 (where we
would go at the first sign of ground fog), is there any inobvious
relatively fast eastern route that is safe at night with a reasonable
chance for unreserved accomodation stops that doesn't involve going
through Reno?
I know that I can basically get to CASR-14 from US-395 and from
CASR-14 to I-15, but how does one get to US-395 without considerable
backtracking? I'm not interested in a "scenic" route, just a route
that I haven't already drive hundreds of times before. I'd also not
mind avoiding LA to the east, if that is possible.
MapsOnUs initially routed me along I-5.
BTW: I don't plan on making it all of the way to San Diego on Thursday
Night.
Michael N. LeVine
<d3570802-908d-4242...@z35g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
I see 4 possibilities(in order of length), the first 3 start off going down I-5 which is much
faster than CASR99.
Route 1 -- Down I5 into the LA basin and just past the I5/CASR14 interchange
take I-210 . Halfway across the LA Basin the 210 ends and you will
drop down to the east bound I-10. Take the I-10 to the I-5 South and
continue on to San Diego.
Route 2 -- go down I-5 and start up over the grapevine. Just past Gorman
is CASR 138. Take it thru Lancaster and on to I-15. The route splits
with CASR138 going a more southern route, or CASR 18 which goes
to Victorville. The the I-15 south to San Diego.
Route 3 -- Take I5 south to CASR 223 (Arvin cutoff). Head east over CASR99
and thru Arvin till you come to CASR 58 past Bakersfield. Go east on CASR 58
over the Tehachapi's , thru Mojave to Barstow. Catch the I-15 south to San Diego.
Route 4 -- Take I-80 east over the Sierra's to US395. Take 395
south to Victorville where it joins the I-15. Take I-15 to San diego.
--
Michael LeVine - mle...@redshift.com
"Thirty days hath September, April, June and November.
All the rest have thirty one except for Gypsy Rose Lee
and every one knew what she had" - Mel Blanc
Cameron Kaiser
>Route 4 -- Take I-80 east over the Sierra's to US395. Take 395
>south to Victorville where it joins the I-15. Take I-15 to San diego.
Having done exactly that, I vote 100% for this routing. It's a fabulous
drive through both the Sierras and the Eastern Sierras.
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Steve Sobol
aa2646...@z35g2000prh.googlegroups.com>, mara...@prodigy.net says...
> I know that I can basically get to CASR-14 from US-395 and from
> CASR-14 to I-15, but how does one get to US-395 without considerable
> backtracking? I'm not interested in a "scenic" route, just a route
> that I haven't already drive hundreds of times before. I'd also not
> mind avoiding LA to the east, if that is possible.
Why would you go 395 >> 14 >> 15 when 395 *ends* at 15?
--
Steve Sobol, Victorville, California, USA
sjs...@JustThe.net
larry_scholnick
wrote:
> In article
> <d3570802-908d-4242-bdd2-aa2646999...@z35g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
> Michael Angelo Ravera <marav...@prodigy.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Apart from going back through Sacramento and taking either CASR-99
> > (which has more opportunity for no reservation accomodation stops and
> > where we would go at the first sign of snow), I-5, or US-101 (where we
> > would go at the first sign of ground fog), is there any inobvious
> > relatively fast eastern route that is safe at night with a reasonable
> > chance for unreserved accomodation stops that doesn't involve going
> > through Reno?
>
> > I know that I can basically get to CASR-14 from US-395 and from
> > CASR-14 to I-15, but how does one get to US-395 without considerable
> > backtracking? I'm not interested in a "scenic" route, just a route
> > that I haven't already drive hundreds of times before. I'd also not
> > mind avoiding LA to the east, if that is possible.
>
> > MapsOnUs initially routed me along I-5.
>
> > BTW: I don't plan on making it all of the way to San Diego on Thursday
> > Night.
>
> I see 4 possibilities(in order of length), the first 3 start off going down I-5 which is much
> faster than CASR99.
>
> Route 1 -- Down I5 into the LA basin and just past the I5/CASR14 interchange
> take I-210 . Halfway across the LA Basin the 210 ends and you will
> drop down to the east bound I-10. Take the I-10 to the I-5 South and
> continue on to San Diego.
>
reasonable bypass of the slow-moving parts of the L.A. basin is to
continue on I-210 to CA-210 to I-15 South.
>
> Route 2 -- go down I-5 and start up over the grapevine. Just past Gorman
> is CASR 138. Take it thru Lancaster and on to I-15. The route splits
> with CASR138 going a more southern route, or CASR 18 which goes
> to Victorville. The the I-15 south to San Diego.
>
remain on CA-138 (which slants southeast) rather than heading due east
on CA-18.
>
> Route 3 -- Take I5 south to CASR 223 (Arvin cutoff). Head east over CASR99
> and thru Arvin till you come to CASR 58 past Bakersfield. Go east on CASR 58
> over the Tehachapi's , thru Mojave to Barstow. Catch the I-15 south to San Diego.
>
northeast to connect to CA-58 is not the way to do it. If you want to
get to CA-58, use CA-46 to cross over from I-5 to CA-99, then south on
CA-99 to CA-58 East. The problem with this route is that US-395 for
the last few miles before I-15 can be quite slow, with long lines of
trucks, very few passing opportunities and numerous traffic signals.
One alternative that might be worth it is to stay on US-395 only as
far as Air Expressway in Adelanto; turn left there, then right on D
Street in Victorville to reach I-15 South.
>
> Route 4 -- Take I-80 east over the Sierra's to US395. Take 395
> south to Victorville where it joins the I-15. Take I-15 to San diego.
> --
reasonable route, except for the slow section south of Adelanto.
>
> Michael LeVine - mlev...@redshift.com
> "Thirty days hath September, April, June and November.
> All the rest have thirty one except for Gypsy Rose Lee
>
> - Show quoted text -
I find that I can bypass most of the known slow areas of the L.A.
basin using the following route:
I-5 South, I-10 East, I-710 South, I-5 South, I-605 South, I-405
South, finally reconnecting with I-5 South near Lake Forest. Yes it's
9 miles longer, but it avoids the East L.A. interchange (I-5/I-10/
CA-60) and it avoids the 3+3 lane section of I-5 between I-605 and
CA-91.
Michael N. LeVine
<527b1607-bfb2-4258...@y10g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
larry_scholnick <larry_s...@yahoo.com> wrote:
I am not familiar with CA-210. Perhaps next time I am going that way, I will give it a try.
> >
> > Route 2 �-- go down I-5 and start up over the grapevine. Just past Gorman
> > is CASR �138. Take it thru Lancaster and on to I-15. The route splits
> > with CASR138 going a more southern route, or CASR 18 which goes
> > to Victorville. The the I-15 south to San Diego.
> >
> IF you take CA-138 East to CA-14 South to CA-138 East, then certainly
> remain on CA-138 (which slants southeast) rather than heading due east
> on CA-18.
> >
> > Route 3 -- Take I5 south to CASR 223 (Arvin cutoff). Head east over CASR99
> > and thru Arvin till you come to CASR 58 past Bakersfield. Go east on CASR 58
> > over the Tehachapi's , thru Mojave to Barstow. Catch the I-15 south to San Diego.
> >
> NO! Staying on I-5 all the way to CA-223 and then backtracking to the
> northeast to connect to CA-58 is not the way to do it. If you want to
> get to CA-58, use CA-46 to cross over from I-5 to CA-99, then south on
> CA-99 to CA-58 East. The problem with this route is that US-395 for
> the last few miles before I-15 can be quite slow, with long lines of
> trucks, very few passing opportunities and numerous traffic signals.
> One alternative that might be worth it is to stay on US-395 only as
> far as Air Expressway in Adelanto; turn left there, then right on D
> Street in Victorville to reach I-15 South.
I was trying to avoid Bakersfield. CA223 is the shortest route across from the I5 to CA58.
Also I did not recommend turning at 4 corners and going down 395, I said go on to Barstow
and directly to the I15.
> >
> > Route 4 -- Take I-80 east over the Sierra's to US395. Take 395
> > south to Victorville where it joins the I-15. Take I-15 to San diego.
> > --
> I-80 and US-395 north of Bishop are at risk of snow. US-395 is a
> reasonable route, except for the slow section south of Adelanto.
Actually 395 from Inyokern to Victorville can be a pain.
> >
> > Michael LeVine - �mlev...@redshift.com
> > "Thirty days hath September, April, June and November.
> > All the rest have thirty one except for Gypsy Rose Lee
> > and every one knew what she had" - Mel Blanc- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> I find that I can bypass most of the known slow areas of the L.A.
> basin using the following route:
> I-5 South, I-10 East, I-710 South, I-5 South, I-605 South, I-405
> South, finally reconnecting with I-5 South near Lake Forest. Yes it's
> 9 miles longer, but it avoids the East L.A. interchange (I-5/I-10/
> CA-60) and it avoids the 3+3 lane section of I-5 between I-605 and
> CA-91.
--
Michael LeVine - mle...@redshift.com
Paul D. DeRocco
How about a plane?
Seriously, though, if you want to come down the Central Valley but avoid
L.A., you should take CA-58 from Bakersfield to Kramer Junction, then go
down US-395 to I-15. That's how all the trucks do it. There are motels in
Tehachapi and Mojave, but it's more likely that you'll get all the way to
I-15 in the first day, where there are endless places to stay.
If you _really_ want to go east, go down to Placerville and take US-50
across the mountains. Since Monitor Pass isn't likely to get snowed in over
the next few days, you can shortcut down CA-89 and pick up US-395 in Topaz.
It's likely to be clear sailing all the way down. There are lots of motels
in Bishop, some in Lone Pine, more in Ridgecrest, etc.
--
Ciao, Paul D. DeRocco
Paul mailto:pder...@ix.netcom.com
larry_scholnick
wrote:
> In article
> <527b1607-bfb2-4258-b3a5-dd4ed2b41...@y10g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
of CA-30 to become I-210, making I-210 a true bypass of the heart of
the L.A. basin; it will connect from I-5 near Sylmar to I-10 near
Redlands, a distance of about 85 miles.
>
> > > Route 2 -- go down I-5 and start up over the grapevine. Just past Gorman
> > > is CASR 138. Take it thru Lancaster and on to I-15. The route splits
> > > with CASR138 going a more southern route, or CASR 18 which goes
> > > to Victorville. The the I-15 south to San Diego.
>
> > IF you take CA-138 East to CA-14 South to CA-138 East, then certainly
> > remain on CA-138 (which slants southeast) rather than heading due east
> > on CA-18.
>
> > > Route 3 -- Take I5 south to CASR 223 (Arvin cutoff). Head east over CASR99
> > > and thru Arvin till you come to CASR 58 past Bakersfield. Go east on CASR 58
> > > over the Tehachapi's , thru Mojave to Barstow. Catch the I-15 south to San Diego.
>
> > NO! Staying on I-5 all the way to CA-223 and then backtracking to the
> > northeast to connect to CA-58 is not the way to do it. If you want to
> > get to CA-58, use CA-46 to cross over from I-5 to CA-99, then south on
> > CA-99 to CA-58 East. The problem with this route is that US-395 for
> > the last few miles before I-15 can be quite slow, with long lines of
> > trucks, very few passing opportunities and numerous traffic signals.
> > One alternative that might be worth it is to stay on US-395 only as
> > far as Air Expressway in Adelanto; turn left there, then right on D
> > Street in Victorville to reach I-15 South.
>
> I was trying to avoid Bakersfield. CA223 is the shortest route across from the I5 to CA58.
>
it worth going out of your way to avoid them.
>
> Also I did not recommend turning at 4 corners and going down 395, I said go on to Barstow
> and directly to the I15.
>
(and 19 minutes per Google).
>
> > > Route 4 -- Take I-80 east over the Sierra's to US395. Take 395
> > > south to Victorville where it joins the I-15. Take I-15 to San diego.
> > > --
> > I-80 and US-395 north of Bishop are at risk of snow. US-395 is a
> > reasonable route, except for the slow section south of Adelanto.
>
> Actually 395 from Inyokern to Victorville can be a pain.
>
> > > Michael LeVine - mlev...@redshift.com
> > > "Thirty days hath September, April, June and November.
> > > All the rest have thirty one except for Gypsy Rose Lee
> > > and every one knew what she had" - Mel Blanc- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > I find that I can bypass most of the known slow areas of the L.A.
> > basin using the following route:
> > I-5 South, I-10 East, I-710 South, I-5 South, I-605 South, I-405
> > South, finally reconnecting with I-5 South near Lake Forest. Yes it's
> > 9 miles longer, but it avoids the East L.A. interchange (I-5/I-10/
> > CA-60) and it avoids the 3+3 lane section of I-5 between I-605 and
> > CA-91.
>
> --
> "Thirty days hath September, April, June and November.
> All the rest have thirty one except for Gypsy Rose Lee
> and every one knew what she had" - Mel Blanc- Hide quoted text -
>
Steve Sobol
@u8g2000prd.googlegroups.com>, larry_s...@yahoo.com says...
> There is a plan to upgrade CA-210, along with the redesignated portion
> of CA-30 to become I-210, making I-210 a true bypass of the heart of
> the L.A. basin; it will connect from I-5 near Sylmar to I-10 near
> Redlands, a distance of about 85 miles.
Most of the work towards that goal has been completed. When I moved here
in June 2003, I-210 was still in its original configuration: it turned
south at San Dimas to meet I-10 in Pomona. The remainder of the freeway
was CA-30.
The rest of the 210 freeway is open and signed as CA-210, all the way to
Redlands, as of late 2007, and the old I-210 stub is now the northern
end of CA-57.
I can guarantee that AASHTO won't allow CA-210 to become an Interstate
until there is an exit from I-215 north to CA-210 west.* That probably
won't happen until the current I-215 widening project is finished.
--S
*right now, you have to exit the freeway at Highland to get from 215NB
to 210WB
Paul D. DeRocco
>
> I can guarantee that AASHTO won't allow CA-210 to become an Interstate
> until there is an exit from I-215 north to CA-210 west.* That probably
> won't happen until the current I-215 widening project is finished.
If AASHTO insists on obsessing about details like that, they at least ought
to allow the part from CA-57 to I-15 to be incorporated. I don't see that
doing it in two stages (or even three, if the old CA-30 freeway still needs
upgrading) imposes any extra costs on anyone. Unless the goal is to find
excuses to avoid saddling the federal government with any future fiscal
responsibility for anything.
Steve Sobol
pder...@ix.netcom.com says...
Paul,
** The part from CA-57 to I-15 *is* former CA-30, as is everything
further east.
** The surface street exits are all finished. I'm not sure what else
they'd have a problem with, other than the lack of a direct way to get
between 215NB and 210WB.
Paul D. DeRocco
>
> ** The part from CA-57 to I-15 *is* former CA-30, as is everything
> further east.
Huh? The freeway, which is what I was talking about, was signed CA-210 since
the day it opened. Indeed, according to Faigin's site, the CA-30 surface
street alignment was renumbered CA-210 in 1998, but remained signed as CA-30
until the new freeway was opened in 2002.
Steve Sobol
pder...@ix.netcom.com says...
>
> > "Steve Sobol" <sjs...@JustThe.net> wrote
> >
> > ** The part from CA-57 to I-15 *is* former CA-30, as is everything
> > further east.
>
> Huh? The freeway, which is what I was talking about, was signed CA-210 since
> the day it opened. Indeed, according to Faigin's site, the CA-30 surface
> street alignment was renumbered CA-210 in 1998, but remained signed as CA-30
> until the new freeway was opened in 2002.
Ah, you're referring to Highland Avenue.
No, I am dead sure I've seen CA-30 signs along the freeway. Or did,
several years ago.
Ralph Herman
(in article <gd6dnVqX1Y_u2ZLW...@earthlink.com>):
>> "Steve Sobol" <sjs...@JustThe.net> wrote
>>
>> ** The part from CA-57 to I-15 *is* former CA-30, as is everything
>> further east.
>
> Huh? The freeway, which is what I was talking about, was signed CA-210 since
> the day it opened. Indeed, according to Faigin's site, the CA-30 surface
> street alignment was renumbered CA-210 in 1998, but remained signed as CA-30
> until the new freeway was opened in 2002.
>
>
As of yesterday, newish CA 30 shields are still posted in Claremont and
Upland along Baseline Ave and on 19th Street in Rancho Cucamonga.
Unofficially, it still exists...
Ralph
Cameron Kaiser
>No, I am dead sure I've seen CA-30 signs along the freeway. Or did,
>several years ago.
Steve is right. The I-15 interchange, as originally built, had CA 30 signs
up on it (although technically Paul is also right because it was legislative
CA 210 even then; the signs were made in error). Mike Ballard has some
photographs somewhere of this.
Cameron Kaiser
>As of yesterday, newish CA 30 shields are still posted in Claremont and
>Upland along Baseline Ave and on 19th Street in Rancho Cucamonga.
>Unofficially, it still exists...
I assume you mean these:
http://www.floodgap.com/roadgap/30-18-259/3/
Mark F
>Steve Sobol <sjs...@JustThe.net> writes:
>
>>No, I am dead sure I've seen CA-30 signs along the freeway. Or did,
>>several years ago.
>
>Steve is right. The I-15 interchange, as originally built, had CA 30 signs
>up on it (although technically Paul is also right because it was legislative
>CA 210 even then; the signs were made in error). Mike Ballard has some
>photographs somewhere of this.
We went there on the first Southern Calif road meet (back in 2000 or
so), and actually walked on the freeway, which was under construction at
the time. AA Roads used to have photos from this meet, but I can't find
them any more. At the time, all the shields were for CA30.
-Mark F
Paul D. DeRocco
>
> Steve is right. The I-15 interchange, as originally built, had CA 30 signs
> up on it (although technically Paul is also right because it was
> legislative
> CA 210 even then; the signs were made in error). Mike Ballard has some
> photographs somewhere of this.
I can understand why, having legislatively renumbered the surface road
CA-210, they wouldn't bother re-signing it, under the assumption that the
CA-210 designation would soon be transferred to the new freeway. But I can't
understand why they'd sign the freeway as CA-30, knowing that it's supposed
to be CA-210. Was this a mistake, or was there some good reason for it? It
sometimes seems to me that CalTrans doesn't entirely know what it is doing,
or perhaps has different factions within it that operate at cross-purposes.
Steve Sobol
pder...@ix.netcom.com says...
> I can understand why, having legislatively renumbered the surface road
> CA-210, they wouldn't bother re-signing it, under the assumption that the
> CA-210 designation would soon be transferred to the new freeway. But I can't
> understand why they'd sign the freeway as CA-30, knowing that it's supposed
> to be CA-210. Was this a mistake, or was there some good reason for it? It
> sometimes seems to me that CalTrans doesn't entirely know what it is doing,
> or perhaps has different factions within it that operate at cross-purposes.
I'll buy "doesn't entirely know what it is doing". It doesn't make sense
to me that if the legislative designation was already 210, the freeway
would be signed as 30.
My dad's best friend from high school lives in Redondo Beach and when we
moved here, my parents visited... and we all went down to see his
friend. Said friend gave me an Auto Club map that specifically showed
the newer part of the freeway as CA-30 (the freeway; not Baseline, not
Highland). So, I figure the freeway had to be signed that way for at
least a couple years.
Cameron Kaiser
>I can understand why, having legislatively renumbered the surface road
>CA-210, they wouldn't bother re-signing it, under the assumption that the
>CA-210 designation would soon be transferred to the new freeway. But I can't
>understand why they'd sign the freeway as CA-30, knowing that it's supposed
>to be CA-210. Was this a mistake, or was there some good reason for it? It
>sometimes seems to me that CalTrans doesn't entirely know what it is doing,
No comment. ;-)
Mark F
>Steve Sobol <sjs...@JustThe.net> writes:
>
>>No, I am dead sure I've seen CA-30 signs along the freeway. Or did,
>>several years ago.
>
>Steve is right. The I-15 interchange, as originally built, had CA 30 signs
>up on it (although technically Paul is also right because it was legislative
>CA 210 even then; the signs were made in error). Mike Ballard has some
>photographs somewhere of this.
We went there on the first Southern Calif road meet, and actually walked
on the freeway, which was under construction at the time. AA Roads used
to have photos from this, but I can't find them any more. At the time,
Michael Angelo Ravera
wrote:
> In article
> <d3570802-908d-4242-bdd2-aa2646999...@z35g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
> "Thirty days hath September, April, June and November.
> All the rest have thirty one except for Gypsy Rose Lee
>
> - Show quoted text -
I'm back and back on line.
I took CASR-49 to I-80 to CASR-99 ans stopped in Chowchilla. Then
CASR-99 to I-5 to I-210 to I-605 to I-5 on the Friday Morning. Worked
like a dream!
Daniel P Faigin
I, too, have looked for those photos in vein. If they are ever reposted, could
someone please send me the link.
I've added the information on where the Route 30 sheilds still are to my pages;
it should show up later this weekend when I upload the changes. Watch the
California Highways facebook group
(http://www.facebook.com/pages/California-Highways/99505662728?ref=mf) for the
announcement of the upload.
Daniel
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Daniel P Faigin
wrote:
>I can understand why, having legislatively renumbered the surface road
>CA-210, they wouldn't bother re-signing it, under the assumption that the
>CA-210 designation would soon be transferred to the new freeway. But I can't
>understand why they'd sign the freeway as CA-30, knowing that it's supposed
>to be CA-210. Was this a mistake, or was there some good reason for it? It
>sometimes seems to me that CalTrans doesn't entirely know what it is doing,
>or perhaps has different factions within it that operate at cross-purposes.
Most likely because the sign orders had already been placed, at least for the
major signage. As I recall, by the time it opened, most signs had been replaced
to state route 210 signage.
Cameron Kaiser
>>We went there on the first Southern Calif road meet, and actually walked
>>on the freeway, which was under construction at the time. AA Roads used
>>to have photos from this, but I can't find them any more. At the time,
>>all the shields were for CA30.
>I, too, have looked for those photos in vein. If they are ever reposted, could
>someone please send me the link.
http://www.scvresources.com/highways/sr_30.htm
http://www.scvresources.com/highways/15-210_interchange.htm
Mark F
>Daniel P Faigin <use...@cahighways.org> writes:
>
>>>We went there on the first Southern Calif road meet, and actually walked
>>>on the freeway, which was under construction at the time. AA Roads used
>>>to have photos from this, but I can't find them any more. At the time,
>>>all the shields were for CA30.
>
>>I, too, have looked for those photos in vein. If they are ever reposted, could
>>someone please send me the link.
>
>http://www.scvresources.com/highways/sr_30.htm
>http://www.scvresources.com/highways/15-210_interchange.htm
I found the pictures I took that day (March 25, 2001). Unfortunately,
the angle of the sun made the exposures bad. This is what I have
showing the CA30 sign, the same sign assembly shown on Mike Ballard's
website above:
http://members.cox.net/mkpl5/temp/032501-2-12.jpg