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Brent

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Oct 10, 2009, 12:04:13 PM10/10/09
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On 2009-10-10, Scott in SoCal <scotte...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Lots of people in my neighborhood have Priusen. Some houses even have
> two parked in the driveway. These must all be great people who love
> the planet and want to fight Global Warming and all that stuff, right?
>
> So then explain to me why someone would bundle their two dogs into
> their Prius and drive it to the neighborhood park so they can walk
> their dogs?

You're missing a fundamental part of human society. Image,
perception, illusion, and belief matter, not substance.

The nobel 'peace prize' was just given to a man who in reality has
continued and expanded war.

Cameron Kaiser

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Oct 10, 2009, 1:34:01 PM10/10/09
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Scott in SoCal <scotte...@yahoo.com> writes:

>Lots of people in my neighborhood have Priusen. Some houses even have
>two parked in the driveway. These must all be great people who love
>the planet and want to fight Global Warming and all that stuff, right?
>So then explain to me why someone would bundle their two dogs into
>their Prius and drive it to the neighborhood park so they can walk
>their dogs?

When I see a Prius going 80, it makes me wonder if saving fuel is priority
#1.

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joel garry

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Oct 10, 2009, 8:31:13 PM10/10/09
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On Oct 10, 8:14 am, Scott in SoCal <scottenazt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Lots of people in my neighborhood have Priusen. Some houses even have
> two parked in the driveway. These must all be great people who love
> the planet and want to fight Global Warming and all that stuff, right?
>
> So then explain to me why someone would bundle their two dogs into
> their Prius and drive it to the neighborhood park so they can walk
> their dogs?

Because there are places to put their dogshit without having to carry
it all around the neighborhood or leave it in your driveway?

(But seriously, I agree with Brent, even the Nobel prize comment.)

I know I drive to walk on the boardwalk (Carlsbad seawall) because
there are girls in bikinis there. I could walk in my neighborhood,
indeed it would be a better workout due to the terrain, but the social
aspects (that is, having people about in a pleasing environment, not
necessarily interacting with them) make it worthwhile to commute. Of
course, I don't drive a Prius, so I can't be smug anyways.
http://www.southparkstudios.com/guide/1002

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Daniel W. Rouse Jr.

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Oct 10, 2009, 9:48:35 PM10/10/09
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"Scott in SoCal" <scotte...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Lots of people in my neighborhood have Priusen. Some houses even have
> two parked in the driveway. These must all be great people who love
> the planet and want to fight Global Warming and all that stuff, right?
>
Let's see how "green" those Toyota Prius vehicles really are when it is time
to replace the battery, or one of them has to be junked due to being
totalled in a collision.

Likely won't have to happen for several years, but eventually it will have
to happen.

Those specialized NiMH type batteries have to be recycled/discarded
somewhere. In California, even NiMH batteries are considered to be universal
waste, and so they cannot simply be dumped in the trash.

necromancer - ECHM

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Oct 12, 2009, 1:00:17 AM10/12/09
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On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 18:48:35 -0700, "Daniel W. Rouse Jr."
<dwro...@nethere.comNOSPAM> wrote:

>Let's see how "green" those Toyota Prius vehicles really are when it is time
>to replace the battery, or one of them has to be junked due to being
>totalled in a collision.

Or when one of those batteries ruptures in a collision and spills
whatever is in them into the environment...

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Ashton Crusher

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Oct 12, 2009, 5:22:39 PM10/12/09
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On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 08:14:51 -0700, Scott in SoCal
<scotte...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Lots of people in my neighborhood have Priusen. Some houses even have
>two parked in the driveway. These must all be great people who love
>the planet and want to fight Global Warming and all that stuff, right?
>

>So then explain to me why someone would bundle their two dogs into
>their Prius and drive it to the neighborhood park so they can walk
>their dogs?


I think it's that most of them are middle and upper middle class and
can use the tax deduction. Combine that with the good gas mileage to
save some money and they may well come out ahead of things compared to
if they bought a non-hybrid. And they get to feel good about
themselves. Also I think most of the people who buy them are the kind
of people who rarely keep a car more then 5 years or 80,000 miles so
they really aren't worried about what's going to happen when that
expensive battery goes bad. I'm still holding out for an inexpensive
version of the Volt.

Nick Naim

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Oct 12, 2009, 8:29:07 PM10/12/09
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"Brent" <tetraethylle...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On 2009-10-10, Scott in SoCal <scotte...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Lots of people in my neighborhood have Priusen. Some houses even have
>> two parked in the driveway. These must all be great people who love
>> the planet and want to fight Global Warming and all that stuff, right?
>>
>> So then explain to me why someone would bundle their two dogs into
>> their Prius and drive it to the neighborhood park so they can walk
>> their dogs?
or cart their bikes on bike racks 27 miles to the nearest trail

>
> You're missing a fundamental part of human society. Image,
> perception, illusion, and belief matter, not substance.
>
> The nobel 'peace prize' was just given to a man who in reality has
> continued and expanded war.
The United States at this point in time is not at war with any nation on
earth.

>
>
>


Nick Naim

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Oct 12, 2009, 8:41:37 PM10/12/09
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New turbo high milage technology will kill the Volt if it is not already
dead.


Ashton Crusher

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Oct 13, 2009, 12:13:39 AM10/13/09
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On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 20:41:37 -0400, "Nick Naim" <orb...@ix.netcom.com>
wrote:

Not necessarily. A properly designed primarily electric vehicle would
be a lot simpler then a petrol powered vehicle. Eventually you'd be
able to get rid of just about the entire drive train.

Brent

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Oct 13, 2009, 12:47:06 AM10/13/09
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LOL. War is peace. Freedom is slavery.


Timothy J. Lee

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Oct 13, 2009, 8:18:50 PM10/13/09
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In article <VOSdne2MYJfqpEzX...@nethere.com>,

Daniel W. Rouse Jr. <dwro...@nethere.comNOSPAM> wrote:
>Those specialized NiMH type batteries have to be recycled/discarded
>somewhere. In California, even NiMH batteries are considered to be universal
>waste, and so they cannot simply be dumped in the trash.

The metals in the batteries (nickel and rare earths) are valuable
enough that no salvage yard will forego the opportunity to sell them
to a recycler if they are no longer usable as batteries.

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joel garry

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Oct 13, 2009, 8:41:32 PM10/13/09
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On Oct 13, 5:18 pm, remov...@sonic.net (Timothy J. Lee) wrote:
> In article <VOSdne2MYJfqpEzXnZ2dnUVZ_tOdn...@nethere.com>,

> Daniel W. Rouse Jr. <dwrous...@nethere.comNOSPAM> wrote:
>
> >Those specialized NiMH type batteries have to be recycled/discarded
> >somewhere. In California, even NiMH batteries are considered to be universal
> >waste, and so they cannot simply be dumped in the trash.
>
> The metals in the batteries (nickel and rare earths) are valuable
> enough that no salvage yard will forego the opportunity to sell them
> to a recycler if they are no longer usable as batteries.
>

http://www.geni.org/globalenergy/library/technical-articles/generation/batteries-storage/scientific-american/when-an-electric-car-dies-what-will-happen-to-the-battery/index.shtml

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Paul D. DeRocco

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Oct 13, 2009, 11:38:50 PM10/13/09
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> "Cameron Kaiser" <cka...@floodgap.com> wrote

>
> When I see a Prius going 80, it makes me wonder if saving fuel is priority
> #1.

I only wish I'd see that more often. When I'm behind them.

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Paul D. DeRocco

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Oct 13, 2009, 11:40:42 PM10/13/09
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> "Scott in SoCal" <scotte...@yahoo.com> wrote
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> Lots of people in my neighborhood have Priusen.

I thought it was "Prii". Two syllables.

Brent

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Oct 14, 2009, 12:45:30 AM10/14/09
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On 2009-10-14, Paul D. DeRocco <pder...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>> "Cameron Kaiser" <cka...@floodgap.com> wrote
>>
>> When I see a Prius going 80, it makes me wonder if saving fuel is priority
>> #1.
>
> I only wish I'd see that more often. When I'm behind them.

they'll try... when you change lanes to pass them.


Cameron Kaiser

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Oct 14, 2009, 8:55:02 AM10/14/09
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Brent <tetraethylle...@yahoo.com> writes:

>>>When I see a Prius going 80, it makes me wonder if saving fuel is priority
>>>#1.

>>I only wish I'd see that more often. When I'm behind them.

>they'll try... when you change lanes to pass them.

Truth.

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Cameron Kaiser

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Oct 14, 2009, 7:01:01 PM10/14/09
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Scott in SoCal <scotte...@yahoo.com> writes:

>>>>>When I see a Prius going 80, it makes me wonder if saving fuel is priority
>>>>>#1.

>>>>I only wish I'd see that more often. When I'm behind them.

>>>they'll try... when you change lanes to pass them.

>>Truth.

>On the bright side, even my 4-banger Civic can out-accelerate a
>PriuSloth.

I like to scoot by in the Si while pointing to the LEV sticker. That always
makes them fume (pun intended).

Chicago Paddling-Fishing

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Nov 10, 2009, 2:38:14 PM11/10/09
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In rec.autos.driving Scott in SoCal <scotte...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Last time on rec.autos.driving, Cameron Kaiser <cka...@floodgap.com>
>said:

>>Brent <tetraethylle...@yahoo.com> writes:
>>
>>>>>When I see a Prius going 80, it makes me wonder if saving fuel is priority
>>>>>#1.
>>
>>>>I only wish I'd see that more often. When I'm behind them.
>>
>>>they'll try... when you change lanes to pass them.
>>
>>Truth.

>On the bright side, even my 4-banger Civic can out-accelerate a
>PriuSloth.

You know, when I read this I wondered, is 75mph WOT for a prius???

http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/la-fi-toyota-recall8-2009nov08,0,6544559.story?page=2

"... * Nancy Bernstein, a vice president for a Long Beach community garden and
former science teacher, said she was taken on an 8-mile high-speed ride
by her 2007 Prius while she was following her husband in a group bicycle
tour in Wisconsin. She said her Prius accelerated from 45 mph to 75 mph
on a winding, two-lane highway crowded with 100 cyclists. ..."

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jgar the jorrible

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Nov 13, 2009, 2:30:21 PM11/13/09
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On Nov 10, 11:38 am, Chicago Paddling-Fishing <j...@ripco.com> wrote:
> In rec.autos.driving Scott in SoCal <scottenazt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >Last time on rec.autos.driving, Cameron Kaiser <ckai...@floodgap.com>
> >said:

> >>Brent <tetraethylleadREMOVET...@yahoo.com> writes:
>
> >>>>>When I see a Prius going 80, it makes me wonder if saving fuel is priority
> >>>>>#1.
>
> >>>>I only wish I'd see that more often. When I'm behind them.
>
> >>>they'll try... when you change lanes to pass them.
>
> >>Truth.
> >On the bright side, even my 4-banger Civic can out-accelerate a
> >PriuSloth.
>
> You know, when I read this I wondered, is 75mph WOT for a prius???
>
> http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/la-fi-toyota-recall8-2009nov08...

>
> "... * Nancy Bernstein, a vice president for a Long Beach community garden and
>        former science teacher, said she was taken on an 8-mile high-speed ride
>        by her 2007 Prius while she was following her husband in a group bicycle
>        tour in Wisconsin. She said her Prius accelerated from 45 mph to 75 mph
>        on a winding, two-lane highway crowded with 100 cyclists. ..."
>
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When I saw this chase in action on tv this morning, yes, he was in the
left lane, and yes, he had his blinker on: http://www.10news.com/news/21604810/detail.html

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Steve Sobol

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Nov 13, 2009, 6:23:44 PM11/13/09
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In article <963be6bb-e4e2-4735-a06c-e91125edeeb3
@m33g2000pri.googlegroups.com>, joel-...@home.com says...

> When I saw this chase in action on tv this morning, yes, he was in the
> left lane, and yes, he had his blinker on: http://www.10news.com/news/21604810/detail.html

Holy crap. Encinitas to Highway 52? That's a long drive.


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Brent

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Nov 13, 2009, 9:26:41 PM11/13/09
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On 2009-11-13, Steve Sobol <sjs...@JustThe.net> wrote:
> In article <963be6bb-e4e2-4735-a06c-e91125edeeb3
> @m33g2000pri.googlegroups.com>, joel-...@home.com says...
>
>> When I saw this chase in action on tv this morning, yes, he was in the
>> left lane, and yes, he had his blinker on: http://www.10news.com/news/21604810/detail.html
>
> Holy crap. Encinitas to Highway 52? That's a long drive.

At least the cops didn't taze and beat him for contempt of cop.

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