Vaishravana and Kubera.

[Dr. S. Ramakrishna Sharma]

==are vaisravana and kubera brothers.?if so how about their mythology.

aruna prasna suggests the names are different  and they are brothers.

 vaisravana is not synonymn to kubera.
regards.

prabhakar ==

Thank you, Sri C.L Prabhakar Ji for the above query. I love to use the
facility of language choice available in the other mail account which is
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Namaste, All.

While seeking meaning/s to anything which belongs to our BhAratiya
culture let us keep in mind the following. Although this post may seem
to appear lengthy, whatever I have "seen" while posting this is crucial
and relevant to seeking "Indian meaning" to Indian Culture.

As Gurudev Rabindranath Tagore rightly and powerfully put it,
".....the last meaning points to Thee."-Gitanjali.

People take the meaning that pleases them. And yet, culture being
a set of living values and meanings intergenerationally transferred
in and through living we need to adhere to our ways of deriving the
meanings. And the following criteria are to be followed.

* श्रुतिस्म्रुतिपुराण -इतिहासानाम  एकवाक्यता (- तत्तु समन्वयात) |
* अध्यात्म-अधिभूत-अधिदैव-अर्थ-समन्वय: |
* श्रुति-युक्ति-अनुभव-दृष्टान्त-समन्वय: |
For this to be achieved first we should unlearn whatever English
opium has taught us.
We do not have Myths and Mythology in the Western sense. 
We have to refer to मंत्रशास्त्र  to refer to the ध्यानश्लोका: of देवता: to find out
the identity of वैश्रवण  and कुबेर |
Hope to get them soon.
इति साधनसम्पदाशी, सज्जनविधेय:
रामकृष्णशर्मा |

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[Dr. S. Ramakrishna Sharma]

Namaste.

This mantra referred to is (known to me) used as part of  "Mantrapushpam", for Lord Shiva in temples  in Dandaka style: Om devadevOthama, devatAsArvabhauma, akhilAndakotibrahmAndanAyaka...... .
...NidhanapatayE namah, NidhanapatAnthikAya namah... etc(Taittiriya Aranyaka?).

Besides, it may be noted that these are names used extolling Lord Shiva. He is RajAdhirAja.
NrttAvasAnE NatarAjarAjO.. also refers to Him as RajarAja.

Further, (still to be investigated) whether there are yaksha brothers having same names under reference or not, like Tumburu- Narada pairs?
Again, in viniyoga what is the place of these such as parivAra, Avarana or upa-gaNa?

Thanks for initiating this line of thought.
Regards.

2010/3/2 hn bhat <hnbh...@gmail.com>

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Here is the Mantra suggesting the identification of Kubera and Vaishravana as the Maharaja otherwise Rajadhiraja known in lexicons Raajaraaja like Amara and the custodian of all the treasures.

ॐ राजाधिराजाय प्रसह्य साहिने नमो वयं वैश्रवणाय कुर्महे। स मे कामान् कामकामाय मह्यं कामेश्वरो वैश्रवणो ददातु। कुबेराय वैश्रवणाय महाराजाय नमः।

I could not find the source for this, but I had learnt this since my childhood. Amara also identifies    both the names as synonyms (Amara 1.1.68-69). Mr. Prabhakar has not quoted the relevant portion of Aruna Prashna which suggested that Vaishravana and Kubera are brothers. If it is available, it could have been further considered on its justification.

Vaishravana and Ravana are brothers, as both were born of the sage Vishravas. Etymologically both names have been explained as VishravasaH apatyam - the stem taking both the forms VishravaNa and  ravaNa before it is derived giving the derivation of the required forms.

With regards

2010/3/3 Dr. S. Ramakrishna Sharma <d.ramak...@gmail.com>

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ततः स्वधर्मं कीर्तिं च हित्वा पापमवाप्स्यसि।।
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निराशीर्निर्ममो भूत्वा युध्यस्व विगतज्वरः।। (भ.गी.)

--
Dr. Hari Narayana Bhat B.R.
EFEO,
PONDICHERRY

--
Aangirasa/Dr.Ramakrishna Sharma. M.A.,Ph.D.(Eng.Lit.),Ph.D.(Sanskrit.).

[GCresearcher]

Namaste.

>This Mantrapushpa is common in all worships whether the deity is Siva or Vishnu. Hence it is indicator of "paratatva".

ABSOLUTELY TRUE. That observation was mailed as reply to author/me by
an esteemed member.
Part of the "Dandaka" is suitably amended to fit into the context of
Siva or Vishnu(etc)
as the case may be. Like, "Nandi-Bhringi-Chanda-Kundodara-Patanjali-
Vyaghrapada-
Vinayaka-Shanmukhadyaih sakalapramathaganasevitasevyamanasya...." for
Siva and
for Vishnu something else.

As the line of thought got gravitated towards Siva under whom Kubera
functions
the reference got delimited. (As Eshana, Siva is adhipati of the NE
direction)

>The interpretation as its being applicable to Shiva exclusively, may be far fetched
as any of these names may be used in the thousand names of any God and
could be made
applicable to the deity. In our region, it is used in the mantrapushpa
after the end
of any worship (not exclusively of Shiva).

That was another pertinent observation from another esteemed member.
These two
posts are obviously caused by my apparent emphasis on Siva due to lack
of diligent
thought editing.

Thanks to both of them.

HOWEVER, the following query demands discussion in a new direction,
while the first
query as to the brotherhood of Vaishravana and Kubera is still kept
pending.
IT IS THIS:
>After all, what was puzzling me is what is the place of this mantra in the
mantrapuShpa than being a mantra without any specific reference to the
deity
in whose worship this is used.

One possible answer to the puzzle is that Kubera, being the Deity in
charge
of Nidhi-Wealth-Sampat, has got to be specifically invoked in the
congregational
gathering in any temple for tapping the resources for the welfare of
all. Keeping in
mind the "TATHASTU" in chorus by the brahmins mainly and others in the
gathering
in the temples, this becomes obvious.
In the Panchayatana Puja of any of the five Devatas, this Kubera
Mantra is used
with this intention and reason during/after the last Mangalarati.

HERE AGAIN, Smarta traditions and Vaishnava traditons do differ. What
matters
is one's own Upasana, parampara and upadesha.

Pranams.

On 3 Mar, 02:13, "Dr. S. Ramakrishna Sharma"

<d.ramakrishn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Namaste.
>
> This mantra referred to is (known to me) used as part of  "Mantrapushpam",
> for Lord Shiva in temples  in Dandaka style: Om devadevOthama,
> devatAsArvabhauma, akhilAndakotibrahmAndanAyaka...... .
> ...NidhanapatayE namah, NidhanapatAnthikAya namah... etc(Taittiriya
> Aranyaka?).
>
> Besides, it may be noted that these are names used extolling Lord Shiva. He
> is RajAdhirAja.
> NrttAvasAnE NatarAjarAjO.. also refers to Him as RajarAja.
>
> Further, (still to be investigated) whether there are yaksha brothers having
> same names under reference or not, like Tumburu- Narada pairs?
> Again, in viniyoga what is the place of these such as parivAra, Avarana or
> upa-gaNa?
>
> Thanks for initiating this line of thought.
> Regards.
>

> 2010/3/2 hn bhat <hnbha...@gmail.com>
>
>
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>
> > Here is the Mantra suggesting the identification of Kubera and Vaishravana
> > as the Maharaja otherwise Rajadhiraja known in lexicons Raajaraaja like
> > Amara and the custodian of all the treasures.
>
> > ॐ राजाधिराजाय प्रसह्य साहिने नमो वयं वैश्रवणाय कुर्महे। स मे कामान्
> > कामकामाय मह्यं कामेश्वरो वैश्रवणो ददातु। कुबेराय वैश्रवणाय महाराजाय नमः।
>
> > I could not find the source for this, but I had learnt this since my
> > childhood. Amara also identifies    both the names as synonyms (Amara
> > 1.1.68-69). Mr. Prabhakar has not quoted the relevant portion of Aruna
> > Prashna which suggested that Vaishravana and Kubera are brothers. If it is
> > available, it could have been further considered on its justification.
>
> > Vaishravana and Ravana are brothers, as both were born of the sage
> > Vishravas. Etymologically both names have been explained as VishravasaH
> > apatyam - the stem taking both the forms VishravaNa and  ravaNa before it is
> > derived giving the derivation of the required forms.
>
> > With regards
>

> > 2010/3/3 Dr. S. Ramakrishna Sharma <d.ramakrishn...@gmail.com>

>
> >> ==are vaisravana and kubera brothers.?if so how about their mythology.
> >> aruna prasna suggests the names are different  and they are brothers.
> >>  vaisravana is not synonymn to kubera.
> >> regards.
> >> prabhakar ==
>
> >> Thank you, Sri C.L Prabhakar Ji for the above query. I love to use the
> >> facility of language choice available in the other mail account which is
> >> not visible in this mail dialogue box. Hence, I typed it there and pasted

> >> the draft here.(director.c...@gmail.com)

[Surendra Mohan Mishra]

Ayi vidvadvaryaah,

Namaskaarah.

With regard to the issue of Vaishravana in the Mantrapushpam the
expressions 'raajaadhiraaja','vaishravana' and 'mahaaraaja'appear to
be used for Kubera only.
The first one may also be an adjective/epithet of Shiva,but here the
statement doesn't warrant this.This is synonymous with 'raajaraaja' in
Amara.

Raavana and Kubera are born of Vishravas through Keshinii/Kaikasii and
Idavidaa respectively thus making them half-brothers,both are
Vaishravana and Paulastya(grandsons of Pulastya).

Kubera has a peculiar malformed body : three legs,eight teeth only and
a yellow spot in place of the second eye.If this is symbolic how to
explain this ?

Saprashrayabahumaanam,

surendramohanamishrah
kurukshetram