Isn't that the tip that's shipping on the B3? It seems a lot like the
old one-hole, except the taper would allow you to entrain air more
easily I think. They're proud of it at $30 though!
bmc
On Oct 22, 2009, at 7:36 PM, rutnip wrote:
I've been wishing for something like this for a long time. The tapered
tip looks like it would make it easier to get good microfoam. The
original tip is just too bulbous. I'm ordering it right now.
I tried to get a tip that was supposed to be similar to this from WLL
about two years ago. They described it as the new latte art steaming
tip. After ordering it I was informed that it was on backorder, and it
would ship as soon as they had it. They went ahead and charged my
credit card and I eventually forgot about it. Then, about 6 months
later, a tip showed up that was identical to the one that came on my
machine two years earlier. That was the last time I gave them any of
my business.
On Oct 22, 9:36 pm, rutnip <rutnip2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
OK, not ordering it from there after all. That Canadian site won't let
me enter a US address and the only phone number (an 888 number)
doesn't connect from here. Does anybody know where I can get one of
these in the States?
On Oct 26, 3:36 pm, Bobcat <bobv...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I've been wishing for something like this for a long time. The tapered
> tip looks like it would make it easier to get good microfoam. The
> original tip is just too bulbous. I'm ordering it right now.
> I tried to get a tip that was supposed to be similar to this from WLL
> about two years ago. They described it as the new latte art steaming
> tip. After ordering it I was informed that it was on backorder, and it
> would ship as soon as they had it. They went ahead and charged my
> credit card and I eventually forgot about it. Then, about 6 months
> later, a tip showed up that was identical to the one that came on my
> machine two years earlier. That was the last time I gave them any of
> my business.
> On Oct 22, 9:36 pm, rutnip <rutnip2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
My suspicion is that this tip will make it easier to draw air into the
milk during the stretching phase, but will not make any difference
during the rolling phase (which is where I feel the one-hole tip could
be stronger). Let us know how it goes. I've tested lots of tips, but
don't think I'll be trying this one. What I really would like to see
is a four-hole that actually has holes .9mm or smaller.
bmc
On Oct 26, 2009, at 1:36 PM, Bobcat wrote:
> I've been wishing for something like this for a long time. The tapered
> tip looks like it would make it easier to get good microfoam. The
> original tip is just too bulbous. I'm ordering it right now.
> I tried to get a tip that was supposed to be similar to this from WLL
> about two years ago. They described it as the new latte art steaming
> tip. After ordering it I was informed that it was on backorder, and it
> would ship as soon as they had it. They went ahead and charged my
> credit card and I eventually forgot about it. Then, about 6 months
> later, a tip showed up that was identical to the one that came on my
> machine two years earlier. That was the last time I gave them any of
> my business.
> On Oct 22, 9:36 pm, rutnip <rutnip2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Does anybody know anything about this?http://www.zcafe.ca/site/ >> Product.aspx?ID=472
>> I wonder if it really is an Expobar product.
There are a few tips out there that I'd like to play with but if you don't
want to try a bunch of experimentation and it's just good milk you are
looking for there have been some really solid threads on the subject in the
archinves (quite a lot of work done by Ben) and the recommendations made at
that time are good in my opinion. As long as you go with a recommended tip,
and practice, you can pour some fantastic microfoam with the Brewtus. I pour
great milk every single day. Here's an example of a four ounce beverage I
had a few days ago in my own kitchen:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/staylortravelling/4007313284/sizes/o/in/... 57594496028315/
-----Original Message-----
From: brewtus@googlegroups.com [mailto:brewtus@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Benjamin McCafferty
Sent: 26 October 2009 15:59
To: brewtus@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Another steam tip
My suspicion is that this tip will make it easier to draw air into the
milk during the stretching phase, but will not make any difference
during the rolling phase (which is where I feel the one-hole tip could
be stronger). Let us know how it goes. I've tested lots of tips, but
don't think I'll be trying this one. What I really would like to see
is a four-hole that actually has holes .9mm or smaller.
bmc
On Oct 26, 2009, at 1:36 PM, Bobcat wrote:
> I've been wishing for something like this for a long time. The tapered
> tip looks like it would make it easier to get good microfoam. The
> original tip is just too bulbous. I'm ordering it right now.
> I tried to get a tip that was supposed to be similar to this from WLL
> about two years ago. They described it as the new latte art steaming
> tip. After ordering it I was informed that it was on backorder, and it
> would ship as soon as they had it. They went ahead and charged my
> credit card and I eventually forgot about it. Then, about 6 months
> later, a tip showed up that was identical to the one that came on my
> machine two years earlier. That was the last time I gave them any of
> my business.
> On Oct 22, 9:36 pm, rutnip <rutnip2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Does anybody know anything about this?http://www.zcafe.ca/site/ >> Product.aspx?ID=472
>> I wonder if it really is an Expobar product.
Sigh. Shaun always makes me feel like the Grasshopper. I can pour a
really nice 6 ounce latte, but I only aspire to something that small.
Anyway. I use the 2-hole isomac (small holes) and Shaun uses the 2- hole Gold Pro. They are nearly identical, and make excellent foam for
anything latte size or smaller (Italian latte, not American swimming
pool latte). The stock one-hole does a nice job, but as you said,
takes a bit more "hand".
Search on "tip experiment" and you'll find a lot of info.
tx,
bmc
On Oct 26, 2009, at 3:21 PM, Shaun Taylor wrote:
> There are a few tips out there that I'd like to play with but if you
> don't
> want to try a bunch of experimentation and it's just good milk you are
> looking for there have been some really solid threads on the subject
> in the
> archinves (quite a lot of work done by Ben) and the recommendations
> made at
> that time are good in my opinion. As long as you go with a
> recommended tip,
> and practice, you can pour some fantastic microfoam with the
> Brewtus. I pour
> great milk every single day. Here's an example of a four ounce
> beverage I
> had a few days ago in my own kitchen:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/staylortravelling/4007313284/sizes/o/in/... > 57594496028315/
> -----Original Message-----
> From: brewtus@googlegroups.com [mailto:brewtus@googlegroups.com] On
> Behalf
> Of Benjamin McCafferty
> Sent: 26 October 2009 15:59
> To: brewtus@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Another steam tip
> My suspicion is that this tip will make it easier to draw air into the
> milk during the stretching phase, but will not make any difference
> during the rolling phase (which is where I feel the one-hole tip could
> be stronger). Let us know how it goes. I've tested lots of tips, but
> don't think I'll be trying this one. What I really would like to see
> is a four-hole that actually has holes .9mm or smaller.
> bmc
> On Oct 26, 2009, at 1:36 PM, Bobcat wrote:
>> I've been wishing for something like this for a long time. The
>> tapered
>> tip looks like it would make it easier to get good microfoam. The
>> original tip is just too bulbous. I'm ordering it right now.
>> I tried to get a tip that was supposed to be similar to this from WLL
>> about two years ago. They described it as the new latte art steaming
>> tip. After ordering it I was informed that it was on backorder, and
>> it
>> would ship as soon as they had it. They went ahead and charged my
>> credit card and I eventually forgot about it. Then, about 6 months
>> later, a tip showed up that was identical to the one that came on my
>> machine two years earlier. That was the last time I gave them any of
>> my business.
>> On Oct 22, 9:36 pm, rutnip <rutnip2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> Does anybody know anything about this?http://www.zcafe.ca/site/ >>> Product.aspx?ID=472
>>> I wonder if it really is an Expobar product.
> I pour > great milk every single day. Here's an example of a four ounce > beverage I > had a few days ago in my own kitchen:
Beautiful!
___________________________________ Barry Corliss MASTER WORKS CD Mastering Seattle, WA (206) 282-2274 http://www.master-works.com ___________________________________
Nice international border symmetry! The reason that I was looking at
this tip in the first place is that 1st-Line (Gold Pro) will not ship
to Canada. I will look for the 2-hole Isomac.
Benjamin, is this:
http://www.chriscoffee.com/products/home/repairpartssection3/new4hole... what you are looking for?
On Oct 26, 6:26 pm, Benjamin McCafferty <bmacpi...@me.com> wrote:
> Sigh. Shaun always makes me feel like the Grasshopper. I can pour a
> really nice 6 ounce latte, but I only aspire to something that small.
> Anyway. I use the 2-hole isomac (small holes) and Shaun uses the 2-
> hole Gold Pro. They are nearly identical, and make excellent foam for
> anything latte size or smaller (Italian latte, not American swimming
> pool latte). The stock one-hole does a nice job, but as you said,
> takes a bit more "hand".
> Search on "tip experiment" and you'll find a lot of info.
> tx,
> bmc
> On Oct 26, 2009, at 3:21 PM, Shaun Taylor wrote:
> > There are a few tips out there that I'd like to play with but if you
> > don't
> > want to try a bunch of experimentation and it's just good milk you are
> > looking for there have been some really solid threads on the subject
> > in the
> > archinves (quite a lot of work done by Ben) and the recommendations
> > made at
> > that time are good in my opinion. As long as you go with a
> > recommended tip,
> > and practice, you can pour some fantastic microfoam with the
> > Brewtus. I pour
> > great milk every single day. Here's an example of a four ounce
> > beverage I
> > had a few days ago in my own kitchen:
> >http://www.flickr.com/photos/staylortravelling/4007313284/sizes/o/in/...
> > 57594496028315/
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: brewtus@googlegroups.com [mailto:brewtus@googlegroups.com] On
> > Behalf
> > Of Benjamin McCafferty
> > Sent: 26 October 2009 15:59
> > To: brewtus@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: Re: Another steam tip
> > My suspicion is that this tip will make it easier to draw air into the
> > milk during the stretching phase, but will not make any difference
> > during the rolling phase (which is where I feel the one-hole tip could
> > be stronger). Let us know how it goes. I've tested lots of tips, but
> > don't think I'll be trying this one. What I really would like to see
> > is a four-hole that actually has holes .9mm or smaller.
> > bmc
> > On Oct 26, 2009, at 1:36 PM, Bobcat wrote:
> >> I've been wishing for something like this for a long time. The
> >> tapered
> >> tip looks like it would make it easier to get good microfoam. The
> >> original tip is just too bulbous. I'm ordering it right now.
> >> I tried to get a tip that was supposed to be similar to this from WLL
> >> about two years ago. They described it as the new latte art steaming
> >> tip. After ordering it I was informed that it was on backorder, and
> >> it
> >> would ship as soon as they had it. They went ahead and charged my
> >> credit card and I eventually forgot about it. Then, about 6 months
> >> later, a tip showed up that was identical to the one that came on my
> >> machine two years earlier. That was the last time I gave them any of
> >> my business.
> >> On Oct 22, 9:36 pm, rutnip <rutnip2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>> Does anybody know anything about this?http://www.zcafe.ca/site/ > >>> Product.aspx?ID=472
> >>> I wonder if it really is an Expobar product.
Has anyone tried changing the whole steam arm on the Brewtus?
Was wondering if this is perhaps the reason for slower steam performance on
the Brewtus than some of it's competitors. Would make sense considering that
the cool wand is lined with a plastic pipe which I would imagine is a lot
more restrictive than the larger diameter steel pipe found in the "hot"
steam arms.
On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 4:00 AM, rutnip <rutnip2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Nice international border symmetry! The reason that I was looking at
> this tip in the first place is that 1st-Line (Gold Pro) will not ship
> to Canada. I will look for the 2-hole Isomac.
> Benjamin, is this:
> On Oct 26, 6:26 pm, Benjamin McCafferty <bmacpi...@me.com> wrote:
> > Sigh. Shaun always makes me feel like the Grasshopper. I can pour a
> > really nice 6 ounce latte, but I only aspire to something that small.
> > Anyway. I use the 2-hole isomac (small holes) and Shaun uses the 2-
> > hole Gold Pro. They are nearly identical, and make excellent foam for
> > anything latte size or smaller (Italian latte, not American swimming
> > pool latte). The stock one-hole does a nice job, but as you said,
> > takes a bit more "hand".
> > Search on "tip experiment" and you'll find a lot of info.
> > tx,
> > bmc
> > On Oct 26, 2009, at 3:21 PM, Shaun Taylor wrote:
> > > There are a few tips out there that I'd like to play with but if you
> > > don't
> > > want to try a bunch of experimentation and it's just good milk you are
> > > looking for there have been some really solid threads on the subject
> > > in the
> > > archinves (quite a lot of work done by Ben) and the recommendations
> > > made at
> > > that time are good in my opinion. As long as you go with a
> > > recommended tip,
> > > and practice, you can pour some fantastic microfoam with the
> > > Brewtus. I pour
> > > great milk every single day. Here's an example of a four ounce
> > > beverage I
> > > had a few days ago in my own kitchen:
> > >http://www.flickr.com/photos/staylortravelling/4007313284/sizes/o/in/.
> ..
> > > 57594496028315/
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: brewtus@googlegroups.com [mailto:brewtus@googlegroups.com] On
> > > Behalf
> > > Of Benjamin McCafferty
> > > Sent: 26 October 2009 15:59
> > > To: brewtus@googlegroups.com
> > > Subject: Re: Another steam tip
> > > My suspicion is that this tip will make it easier to draw air into the
> > > milk during the stretching phase, but will not make any difference
> > > during the rolling phase (which is where I feel the one-hole tip could
> > > be stronger). Let us know how it goes. I've tested lots of tips, but
> > > don't think I'll be trying this one. What I really would like to see
> > > is a four-hole that actually has holes .9mm or smaller.
> > > bmc
> > > On Oct 26, 2009, at 1:36 PM, Bobcat wrote:
> > >> I've been wishing for something like this for a long time. The
> > >> tapered
> > >> tip looks like it would make it easier to get good microfoam. The
> > >> original tip is just too bulbous. I'm ordering it right now.
> > >> I tried to get a tip that was supposed to be similar to this from WLL
> > >> about two years ago. They described it as the new latte art steaming
> > >> tip. After ordering it I was informed that it was on backorder, and
> > >> it
> > >> would ship as soon as they had it. They went ahead and charged my
> > >> credit card and I eventually forgot about it. Then, about 6 months
> > >> later, a tip showed up that was identical to the one that came on my
> > >> machine two years earlier. That was the last time I gave them any of
> > >> my business.
> > >> On Oct 22, 9:36 pm, rutnip <rutnip2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >>> Does anybody know anything about this?http://www.zcafe.ca/site/ > > >>> Product.aspx?ID=472
> > >>> I wonder if it really is an Expobar product.
Yes, that tip is the right idea. I have the one in the link below,
but unfortunately the holes are bigger than advertised and too large
for good performance on the B2. It's not bad, but not the "perfect"
tip. So far the 2-hole isomac is my daily driver, and the one-hole
Brewtus is a close second.
> Nice international border symmetry! The reason that I was looking at
> this tip in the first place is that 1st-Line (Gold Pro) will not ship
> to Canada. I will look for the 2-hole Isomac.
> Benjamin, is this:
> http://www.chriscoffee.com/products/home/repairpartssection3/new4hole... > what you are looking for?
> On Oct 26, 6:26 pm, Benjamin McCafferty <bmacpi...@me.com> wrote:
>> Sigh. Shaun always makes me feel like the Grasshopper. I can pour a
>> really nice 6 ounce latte, but I only aspire to something that small.
>> Anyway. I use the 2-hole isomac (small holes) and Shaun uses the 2-
>> hole Gold Pro. They are nearly identical, and make excellent foam
>> for
>> anything latte size or smaller (Italian latte, not American swimming
>> pool latte). The stock one-hole does a nice job, but as you said,
>> takes a bit more "hand".
>> Search on "tip experiment" and you'll find a lot of info.
>> tx,
>> bmc
>> On Oct 26, 2009, at 3:21 PM, Shaun Taylor wrote:
>>> There are a few tips out there that I'd like to play with but if you
>>> don't
>>> want to try a bunch of experimentation and it's just good milk you
>>> are
>>> looking for there have been some really solid threads on the subject
>>> in the
>>> archinves (quite a lot of work done by Ben) and the recommendations
>>> made at
>>> that time are good in my opinion. As long as you go with a
>>> recommended tip,
>>> and practice, you can pour some fantastic microfoam with the
>>> Brewtus. I pour
>>> great milk every single day. Here's an example of a four ounce
>>> beverage I
>>> had a few days ago in my own kitchen:
>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/staylortravelling/4007313284/sizes/o/in/ >>> ...
>>> 57594496028315/
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: brewtus@googlegroups.com [mailto:brewtus@googlegroups.com] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Benjamin McCafferty
>>> Sent: 26 October 2009 15:59
>>> To: brewtus@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Another steam tip
>>> My suspicion is that this tip will make it easier to draw air into
>>> the
>>> milk during the stretching phase, but will not make any difference
>>> during the rolling phase (which is where I feel the one-hole tip
>>> could
>>> be stronger). Let us know how it goes. I've tested lots of tips,
>>> but
>>> don't think I'll be trying this one. What I really would like to
>>> see
>>> is a four-hole that actually has holes .9mm or smaller.
>>> bmc
>>> On Oct 26, 2009, at 1:36 PM, Bobcat wrote:
>>>> I've been wishing for something like this for a long time. The
>>>> tapered
>>>> tip looks like it would make it easier to get good microfoam. The
>>>> original tip is just too bulbous. I'm ordering it right now.
>>>> I tried to get a tip that was supposed to be similar to this from
>>>> WLL
>>>> about two years ago. They described it as the new latte art
>>>> steaming
>>>> tip. After ordering it I was informed that it was on backorder, and
>>>> it
>>>> would ship as soon as they had it. They went ahead and charged my
>>>> credit card and I eventually forgot about it. Then, about 6 months
>>>> later, a tip showed up that was identical to the one that came on
>>>> my
>>>> machine two years earlier. That was the last time I gave them any
>>>> of
>>>> my business.
>>>> On Oct 22, 9:36 pm, rutnip <rutnip2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>> Does anybody know anything about this?http://www.zcafe.ca/site/ >>>>> Product.aspx?ID=472
>>>>> I wonder if it really is an Expobar product.
I just ordered the 2 hole Isomac and the 4-small-hole Vivaldi from
Chris' Coffee. Loking forward to trying both, but I'd still like to
get one of the single hole tapered body tips linked by the original
poster. Can anybody point me in the right direction?
On Oct 27, 2:21 am, Benjamin McCafferty <bmacpi...@me.com> wrote:
> Yes, that tip is the right idea. I have the one in the link below,
> but unfortunately the holes are bigger than advertised and too large
> for good performance on the B2. It's not bad, but not the "perfect"
> tip. So far the 2-hole isomac is my daily driver, and the one-hole
> Brewtus is a close second.
> tx,
> bmc
> On Oct 26, 2009, at 7:00 PM, rutnip wrote:
> > Nice international border symmetry! The reason that I was looking at
> > this tip in the first place is that 1st-Line (Gold Pro) will not ship
> > to Canada. I will look for the 2-hole Isomac.
> > Benjamin, is this:
> >http://www.chriscoffee.com/products/home/repairpartssection3/new4hole...
> > what you are looking for?
> > On Oct 26, 6:26 pm, Benjamin McCafferty <bmacpi...@me.com> wrote:
> >> Sigh. Shaun always makes me feel like the Grasshopper. I can pour a
> >> really nice 6 ounce latte, but I only aspire to something that small.
> >> Anyway. I use the 2-hole isomac (small holes) and Shaun uses the 2-
> >> hole Gold Pro. They are nearly identical, and make excellent foam
> >> for
> >> anything latte size or smaller (Italian latte, not American swimming
> >> pool latte). The stock one-hole does a nice job, but as you said,
> >> takes a bit more "hand".
> >> Search on "tip experiment" and you'll find a lot of info.
> >> tx,
> >> bmc
> >> On Oct 26, 2009, at 3:21 PM, Shaun Taylor wrote:
> >>> There are a few tips out there that I'd like to play with but if you
> >>> don't
> >>> want to try a bunch of experimentation and it's just good milk you
> >>> are
> >>> looking for there have been some really solid threads on the subject
> >>> in the
> >>> archinves (quite a lot of work done by Ben) and the recommendations
> >>> made at
> >>> that time are good in my opinion. As long as you go with a
> >>> recommended tip,
> >>> and practice, you can pour some fantastic microfoam with the
> >>> Brewtus. I pour
> >>> great milk every single day. Here's an example of a four ounce
> >>> beverage I
> >>> had a few days ago in my own kitchen:
> >>>http://www.flickr.com/photos/staylortravelling/4007313284/sizes/o/in/ > >>> ...
> >>> 57594496028315/
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: brewtus@googlegroups.com [mailto:brewtus@googlegroups.com] On
> >>> Behalf
> >>> Of Benjamin McCafferty
> >>> Sent: 26 October 2009 15:59
> >>> To: brewtus@googlegroups.com
> >>> Subject: Re: Another steam tip
> >>> My suspicion is that this tip will make it easier to draw air into
> >>> the
> >>> milk during the stretching phase, but will not make any difference
> >>> during the rolling phase (which is where I feel the one-hole tip
> >>> could
> >>> be stronger). Let us know how it goes. I've tested lots of tips,
> >>> but
> >>> don't think I'll be trying this one. What I really would like to
> >>> see
> >>> is a four-hole that actually has holes .9mm or smaller.
> >>> bmc
> >>> On Oct 26, 2009, at 1:36 PM, Bobcat wrote:
> >>>> I've been wishing for something like this for a long time. The
> >>>> tapered
> >>>> tip looks like it would make it easier to get good microfoam. The
> >>>> original tip is just too bulbous. I'm ordering it right now.
> >>>> I tried to get a tip that was supposed to be similar to this from
> >>>> WLL
> >>>> about two years ago. They described it as the new latte art
> >>>> steaming
> >>>> tip. After ordering it I was informed that it was on backorder, and
> >>>> it
> >>>> would ship as soon as they had it. They went ahead and charged my
> >>>> credit card and I eventually forgot about it. Then, about 6 months
> >>>> later, a tip showed up that was identical to the one that came on
> >>>> my
> >>>> machine two years earlier. That was the last time I gave them any
> >>>> of
> >>>> my business.
> >>>> On Oct 22, 9:36 pm, rutnip <rutnip2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>>> Does anybody know anything about this?http://www.zcafe.ca/site/ > >>>>> Product.aspx?ID=472
> >>>>> I wonder if it really is an Expobar product.- Hide quoted text -
-----Original Message-----
From: brewtus@googlegroups.com [mailto:brewtus@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Bobcat
Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 11:24 AM
To: Brewtus
Subject: Re: Another steam tip
I just ordered the 2 hole Isomac and the 4-small-hole Vivaldi from Chris'
Coffee. Loking forward to trying both, but I'd still like to get one of the
single hole tapered body tips linked by the original poster. Can anybody
point me in the right direction?
On Oct 27, 2:21 am, Benjamin McCafferty <bmacpi...@me.com> wrote:
> Yes, that tip is the right idea. I have the one in the link below, > but unfortunately the holes are bigger than advertised and too large > for good performance on the B2. It's not bad, but not the "perfect"
> tip. So far the 2-hole isomac is my daily driver, and the one-hole > Brewtus is a close second.
> tx,
> bmc
> On Oct 26, 2009, at 7:00 PM, rutnip wrote:
> > Nice international border symmetry! The reason that I was looking > >at this tip in the first place is that 1st-Line (Gold Pro) will not > >ship to Canada. I will look for the 2-hole Isomac.
> > Benjamin, is this:
> >http://www.chriscoffee.com/products/home/repairpartssection3/new4hole...
> > what you are looking for?
> > On Oct 26, 6:26 pm, Benjamin McCafferty <bmacpi...@me.com> wrote:
> >> Sigh. Shaun always makes me feel like the Grasshopper. I can pour > >> a really nice 6 ounce latte, but I only aspire to something that small.
> >> Anyway. I use the 2-hole isomac (small holes) and Shaun uses the > >> 2- hole Gold Pro. They are nearly identical, and make excellent > >> foam for anything latte size or smaller (Italian latte, not > >> American swimming pool latte). The stock one-hole does a nice job, > >> but as you said, takes a bit more "hand".
> >> Search on "tip experiment" and you'll find a lot of info.
> >> tx,
> >> bmc
> >> On Oct 26, 2009, at 3:21 PM, Shaun Taylor wrote:
> >>> There are a few tips out there that I'd like to play with but if > >>>you don't want to try a bunch of experimentation and it's just > >>>good milk you are looking for there have been some really solid > >>>threads on the subject in the archinves (quite a lot of work done > >>>by Ben) and the recommendations made at that time are good in my > >>>opinion. As long as you go with a recommended tip, and practice, > >>>you can pour some fantastic microfoam with the Brewtus. I pour
> >>>great milk every single day. Here's an example of a four ounce
> >>>beverage I had a few days ago in my own kitchen:
> >>>http://www.flickr.com/photos/staylortravelling/4007313284/sizes/o/i > >>>n/
> >>> ...
> >>> 57594496028315/
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: brewtus@googlegroups.com [mailto:brewtus@googlegroups.com] > >>> On Behalf Of Benjamin McCafferty
> >>> Sent: 26 October 2009 15:59
> >>> To: brewtus@googlegroups.com
> >>> Subject: Re: Another steam tip
> >>> My suspicion is that this tip will make it easier to draw air into > >>> the milk during the stretching phase, but will not make any > >>> difference during the rolling phase (which is where I feel the > >>> one-hole tip could be stronger). Let us know how it goes. I've > >>> tested lots of tips, but don't think I'll be trying this one.
> >>> What I really would like to see is a four-hole that actually has > >>> holes .9mm or smaller.
> >>> bmc
> >>> On Oct 26, 2009, at 1:36 PM, Bobcat wrote:
> >>>> I've been wishing for something like this for a long time. The > >>>> tapered tip looks like it would make it easier to get good > >>>> microfoam. The original tip is just too bulbous. I'm ordering it > >>>> right now.
> >>>> I tried to get a tip that was supposed to be similar to this from > >>>> WLL about two years ago. They described it as the new latte art > >>>> steaming tip. After ordering it I was informed that it was on > >>>> backorder, and it would ship as soon as they had it. They went > >>>> ahead and charged my credit card and I eventually forgot about > >>>> it. Then, about 6 months later, a tip showed up that was > >>>> identical to the one that came on my machine two years earlier. > >>>> That was the last time I gave them any of my business.
> >>>> On Oct 22, 9:36 pm, rutnip <rutnip2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>>> Does anybody know anything about this?http://www.zcafe.ca/site/ > >>>>> Product.aspx?ID=472
> >>>>> I wonder if it really is an Expobar product.- Hide quoted text -
Thanks Dennis, I'll give them another try. Hopefully I won't end up
with another one of the standard factory tips. That's what they sent
me last time. Has anybody else ordered this pointy snout tip from WLL?
Is the one pictured on their site what you received?
On Oct 27, 2:43 pm, "Dennis Keating" <dennis.keat...@comcast.net>
wrote:
> -----Original Message-----
> From: brewtus@googlegroups.com [mailto:brewtus@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Bobcat
> Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 11:24 AM
> To: Brewtus
> Subject: Re: Another steam tip
> I just ordered the 2 hole Isomac and the 4-small-hole Vivaldi from Chris'
> Coffee. Loking forward to trying both, but I'd still like to get one of the
> single hole tapered body tips linked by the original poster. Can anybody
> point me in the right direction?
> On Oct 27, 2:21 am, Benjamin McCafferty <bmacpi...@me.com> wrote:
> > Yes, that tip is the right idea. I have the one in the link below,
> > but unfortunately the holes are bigger than advertised and too large
> > for good performance on the B2. It's not bad, but not the "perfect"
> > tip. So far the 2-hole isomac is my daily driver, and the one-hole
> > Brewtus is a close second.
> > tx,
> > bmc
> > On Oct 26, 2009, at 7:00 PM, rutnip wrote:
> > > Nice international border symmetry! The reason that I was looking
> > >at this tip in the first place is that 1st-Line (Gold Pro) will not
> > >ship to Canada. I will look for the 2-hole Isomac.
> > > Benjamin, is this:
> > >http://www.chriscoffee.com/products/home/repairpartssection3/new4hole...
> > > what you are looking for?
> > > On Oct 26, 6:26 pm, Benjamin McCafferty <bmacpi...@me.com> wrote:
> > >> Sigh. Shaun always makes me feel like the Grasshopper. I can pour
> > >> a really nice 6 ounce latte, but I only aspire to something that small.
> > >> Anyway. I use the 2-hole isomac (small holes) and Shaun uses the
> > >> 2- hole Gold Pro. They are nearly identical, and make excellent
> > >> foam for anything latte size or smaller (Italian latte, not
> > >> American swimming pool latte). The stock one-hole does a nice job,
> > >> but as you said, takes a bit more "hand".
> > >> Search on "tip experiment" and you'll find a lot of info.
> > >> tx,
> > >> bmc
> > >> On Oct 26, 2009, at 3:21 PM, Shaun Taylor wrote:
> > >>> There are a few tips out there that I'd like to play with but if
> > >>>you don't want to try a bunch of experimentation and it's just
> > >>>good milk you are looking for there have been some really solid
> > >>>threads on the subject in the archinves (quite a lot of work done
> > >>>by Ben) and the recommendations made at that time are good in my
> > >>>opinion. As long as you go with a recommended tip, and practice,
> > >>>you can pour some fantastic microfoam with the Brewtus. I pour
> > >>>great milk every single day. Here's an example of a four ounce
> > >>>beverage I had a few days ago in my own kitchen:
> > >>>http://www.flickr.com/photos/staylortravelling/4007313284/sizes/o/i > > >>>n/
> > >>> ...
> > >>> 57594496028315/
> > >>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>> From: brewtus@googlegroups.com [mailto:brewtus@googlegroups.com]
> > >>> On Behalf Of Benjamin McCafferty
> > >>> Sent: 26 October 2009 15:59
> > >>> To: brewtus@googlegroups.com
> > >>> Subject: Re: Another steam tip
> > >>> My suspicion is that this tip will make it easier to draw air into
> > >>> the milk during the stretching phase, but will not make any
> > >>> difference during the rolling phase (which is where I feel the
> > >>> one-hole tip could be stronger). Let us know how it goes. I've
> > >>> tested lots of tips, but don't think I'll be trying this one.
> > >>> What I really would like to see is a four-hole that actually has
> > >>> holes .9mm or smaller.
> > >>> bmc
> > >>> On Oct 26, 2009, at 1:36 PM, Bobcat wrote:
> > >>>> I've been wishing for something like this for a long time. The
> > >>>> tapered tip looks like it would make it easier to get good
> > >>>> microfoam. The original tip is just too bulbous. I'm ordering it
> > >>>> right now.
> > >>>> I tried to get a tip that was supposed to be similar to this from
> > >>>> WLL about two years ago. They described it as the new latte art
> > >>>> steaming tip. After ordering it I was informed that it was on
> > >>>> backorder, and it would ship as soon as they had it. They went
> > >>>> ahead and charged my credit card and I eventually forgot about
> > >>>> it. Then, about 6 months later, a tip showed up that was
> > >>>> identical to the one that came on my machine two years earlier.
> > >>>> That was the last time I gave them any of my business.
> > >>>> On Oct 22, 9:36 pm, rutnip <rutnip2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >>>>> Does anybody know anything about this?http://www.zcafe.ca/site/ > > >>>>> Product.aspx?ID=472
> > >>>>> I wonder if it really is an Expobar product.- Hide quoted text -
Why don't you contact Todd and see whether you could exchange the one
that was shipped mistakenly? I am relatively certain he'd make it
right for you.
bmc
On Oct 28, 2009, at 11:32 AM, Bobcat wrote:
> Thanks Dennis, I'll give them another try. Hopefully I won't end up
> with another one of the standard factory tips. That's what they sent
> me last time. Has anybody else ordered this pointy snout tip from WLL?
> Is the one pictured on their site what you received?
> On Oct 27, 2:43 pm, "Dennis Keating" <dennis.keat...@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>> WLL
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: brewtus@googlegroups.com [mailto:brewtus@googlegroups.com] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Bobcat
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 11:24 AM
>> To: Brewtus
>> Subject: Re: Another steam tip
>> I just ordered the 2 hole Isomac and the 4-small-hole Vivaldi from
>> Chris'
>> Coffee. Loking forward to trying both, but I'd still like to get
>> one of the
>> single hole tapered body tips linked by the original poster. Can
>> anybody
>> point me in the right direction?
>> On Oct 27, 2:21 am, Benjamin McCafferty <bmacpi...@me.com> wrote:
>>> Yes, that tip is the right idea. I have the one in the link below,
>>> but unfortunately the holes are bigger than advertised and too large
>>> for good performance on the B2. It's not bad, but not the "perfect"
>>> tip. So far the 2-hole isomac is my daily driver, and the one-hole
>>> Brewtus is a close second.
>>> tx,
>>> bmc
>>> On Oct 26, 2009, at 7:00 PM, rutnip wrote:
>>>> Nice international border symmetry! The reason that I was looking
>>>> at this tip in the first place is that 1st-Line (Gold Pro) will
>>>> not
>>>> ship to Canada. I will look for the 2-hole Isomac.
>>>> Benjamin, is this:
>>>> http://www.chriscoffee.com/products/home/repairpartssection3/new4hole >>>> ...
>>>> what you are looking for?
>>>> On Oct 26, 6:26 pm, Benjamin McCafferty <bmacpi...@me.com> wrote:
>>>>> Sigh. Shaun always makes me feel like the Grasshopper. I can
>>>>> pour
>>>>> a really nice 6 ounce latte, but I only aspire to something that
>>>>> small.
>>>>> Anyway. I use the 2-hole isomac (small holes) and Shaun uses the
>>>>> 2- hole Gold Pro. They are nearly identical, and make excellent
>>>>> foam for anything latte size or smaller (Italian latte, not
>>>>> American swimming pool latte). The stock one-hole does a nice
>>>>> job,
>>>>> but as you said, takes a bit more "hand".
>>>>> Search on "tip experiment" and you'll find a lot of info.
>>>>> tx,
>>>>> bmc
>>>>> On Oct 26, 2009, at 3:21 PM, Shaun Taylor wrote:
>>>>>> There are a few tips out there that I'd like to play with but if
>>>>>> you don't want to try a bunch of experimentation and it's just
>>>>>> good milk you are looking for there have been some really solid
>>>>>> threads on the subject in the archinves (quite a lot of work
>>>>>> done
>>>>>> by Ben) and the recommendations made at that time are good in
>>>>>> my
>>>>>> opinion. As long as you go with a recommended tip, and
>>>>>> practice,
>>>>>> you can pour some fantastic microfoam with the Brewtus. I pour
>>>>>> great milk every single day. Here's an example of a four ounce
>>>>>> beverage I had a few days ago in my own kitchen:
>>>>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/staylortravelling/4007313284/sizes/o/i >>>>>> n/
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>> 57594496028315/
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: brewtus@googlegroups.com [mailto:brewtus@googlegroups.com]
>>>>>> On Behalf Of Benjamin McCafferty
>>>>>> Sent: 26 October 2009 15:59
>>>>>> To: brewtus@googlegroups.com
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Another steam tip
>>>>>> My suspicion is that this tip will make it easier to draw air
>>>>>> into
>>>>>> the milk during the stretching phase, but will not make any
>>>>>> difference during the rolling phase (which is where I feel the
>>>>>> one-hole tip could be stronger). Let us know how it goes. I've
>>>>>> tested lots of tips, but don't think I'll be trying this one.
>>>>>> What I really would like to see is a four-hole that actually has
>>>>>> holes .9mm or smaller.
>>>>>> bmc
>>>>>> On Oct 26, 2009, at 1:36 PM, Bobcat wrote:
>>>>>>> I've been wishing for something like this for a long time. The
>>>>>>> tapered tip looks like it would make it easier to get good
>>>>>>> microfoam. The original tip is just too bulbous. I'm ordering it
>>>>>>> right now.
>>>>>>> I tried to get a tip that was supposed to be similar to this
>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>> WLL about two years ago. They described it as the new latte art
>>>>>>> steaming tip. After ordering it I was informed that it was on
>>>>>>> backorder, and it would ship as soon as they had it. They went
>>>>>>> ahead and charged my credit card and I eventually forgot about
>>>>>>> it. Then, about 6 months later, a tip showed up that was
>>>>>>> identical to the one that came on my machine two years earlier.
>>>>>>> That was the last time I gave them any of my business.
>>>>>>> On Oct 22, 9:36 pm, rutnip <rutnip2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Does anybody know anything about this?http://www.zcafe.ca/site/ >>>>>>>> Product.aspx?ID=472
>>>>>>>> I wonder if it really is an Expobar product.- Hide quoted
>>>>>>>> text -
Hello, I'm sorry about the confusion in regards to the steam tips. For that reason I have put together a PDF file that shows the current steam tip that is coming with the machines and is the one that we stock. I have found this one to work very well. The size of the hole and design allows you to accuratly control how much air you inject into the milk. If you have any questions let me know. Thanks very much.
Todd Salzman Whole Latte Love
Brewtus III and II new style steam tip 10-09.pdf
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Todd, do you know the size of the hole in the original style and the new
sryle?
- Dennis
_____
From: brewtus@googlegroups.com [mailto:brewtus@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Todd Salzman
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 4:09 PM
To: brewtus@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Another steam tip
Hello,
I'm sorry about the confusion in regards to the steam tips.
For that reason I have put together a PDF file that shows the current steam
tip that is coming with the machines and is the one that we stock. I have
found this one to work very well. The size of the hole and design allows you
to accuratly control how much air you inject into the milk.
Hey Dennis,
Maybe you can convince Todd to send me one, and I'll put it through my
battery of tests and report back to the list, ha ha... :)
bmc
On Oct 28, 2009, at 5:25 PM, Dennis Keating wrote:
> Todd, do you know the size of the hole in the original style and
> the new sryle?
> - Dennis
> From: brewtus@googlegroups.com [mailto:brewtus@googlegroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Todd Salzman
> Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 4:09 PM
> To: brewtus@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Another steam tip
> Hello,
> I'm sorry about the confusion in regards to the steam tips.
> For that reason I have put together a PDF file that shows the
> current steam tip that is coming with the machines and is the one
> that we stock. I have found this one to work very well. The size of
> the hole and design allows you to accuratly control how much air you
> inject into the milk.
Bobcat, check with Chris , but I think the Vivaldi 4 hole tip is a different
thread, and their adapter won't work . I am going to try out a tip from
Taiwan that is modeled after the Isomac, but with three small holes.
However, I only steam about 4 oz milk, so a bigger tip might be too frisky
for that - just playing. So far, my fav is the Gold Pro 2 hole.
-----Original Message-----
From: brewtus@googlegroups.com [mailto:brewtus@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Bobcat
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 12:32 PM
To: Brewtus
Subject: Re: Another steam tip
Thanks Dennis, I'll give them another try. Hopefully I won't end up with
another one of the standard factory tips. That's what they sent me last
time. Has anybody else ordered this pointy snout tip from WLL?
Is the one pictured on their site what you received?
On Oct 27, 2:43 pm, "Dennis Keating" <dennis.keat...@comcast.net>
wrote:
> WLL
> -----Original Message-----
> From: brewtus@googlegroups.com [mailto:brewtus@googlegroups.com] On > Behalf
> Of Bobcat
> Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 11:24 AM
> To: Brewtus
> Subject: Re: Another steam tip
> I just ordered the 2 hole Isomac and the 4-small-hole Vivaldi from Chris'
> Coffee. Loking forward to trying both, but I'd still like to get one > of the single hole tapered body tips linked by the original poster. > Can anybody point me in the right direction?
> On Oct 27, 2:21 am, Benjamin McCafferty <bmacpi...@me.com> wrote:
> > Yes, that tip is the right idea. I have the one in the link below, > > but unfortunately the holes are bigger than advertised and too large > > for good performance on the B2. It's not bad, but not the "perfect"
> > tip. So far the 2-hole isomac is my daily driver, and the one-hole > > Brewtus is a close second.
> > tx,
> > bmc
> > On Oct 26, 2009, at 7:00 PM, rutnip wrote:
> > > Nice international border symmetry! The reason that I was looking > > >at this tip in the first place is that 1st-Line (Gold Pro) will > > >not ship to Canada. I will look for the 2-hole Isomac.
> > > Benjamin, is this:
> > > On Oct 26, 6:26 pm, Benjamin McCafferty <bmacpi...@me.com> wrote:
> > >> Sigh. Shaun always makes me feel like the Grasshopper. I can > > >> pour a really nice 6 ounce latte, but I only aspire to something that
small.
> > >> Anyway. I use the 2-hole isomac (small holes) and Shaun uses the
> > >> 2- hole Gold Pro. They are nearly identical, and make excellent > > >> foam for anything latte size or smaller (Italian latte, not > > >> American swimming pool latte). The stock one-hole does a nice > > >> job, but as you said, takes a bit more "hand".
> > >> Search on "tip experiment" and you'll find a lot of info.
> > >> tx,
> > >> bmc
> > >> On Oct 26, 2009, at 3:21 PM, Shaun Taylor wrote:
> > >>> There are a few tips out there that I'd like to play with but if > > >>>you don't want to try a bunch of experimentation and it's just > > >>>good milk you are looking for there have been some really solid > > >>>threads on the subject in the archinves (quite a lot of work > > >>>done by Ben) and the recommendations made at that time are good > > >>>in my opinion. As long as you go with a recommended tip, and > > >>>practice, you can pour some fantastic microfoam with the
> > >>>Brewtus. I pour great milk every single day. Here's an example of > > >>>a four ounce beverage I had a few days ago in my own kitchen:
> > >>>http://www.flickr.com/photos/staylortravelling/4007313284/sizes/o > > >>>/i
> > >>>n/
> > >>> ...
> > >>> 57594496028315/
> > >>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>> From: brewtus@googlegroups.com [mailto:brewtus@googlegroups.com] > > >>> On Behalf Of Benjamin McCafferty
> > >>> Sent: 26 October 2009 15:59
> > >>> To: brewtus@googlegroups.com
> > >>> Subject: Re: Another steam tip
> > >>> My suspicion is that this tip will make it easier to draw air > > >>> into the milk during the stretching phase, but will not make any > > >>> difference during the rolling phase (which is where I feel the > > >>> one-hole tip could be stronger). Let us know how it goes. I've > > >>> tested lots of tips, but don't think I'll be trying this one.
> > >>> What I really would like to see is a four-hole that actually has > > >>> holes .9mm or smaller.
> > >>> bmc
> > >>> On Oct 26, 2009, at 1:36 PM, Bobcat wrote:
> > >>>> I've been wishing for something like this for a long time. The > > >>>> tapered tip looks like it would make it easier to get good > > >>>> microfoam. The original tip is just too bulbous. I'm ordering > > >>>> it right now.
> > >>>> I tried to get a tip that was supposed to be similar to this > > >>>> from WLL about two years ago. They described it as the new > > >>>> latte art steaming tip. After ordering it I was informed that > > >>>> it was on backorder, and it would ship as soon as they had it. > > >>>> They went ahead and charged my credit card and I eventually > > >>>> forgot about it. Then, about 6 months later, a tip showed up > > >>>> that was identical to the one that came on my machine two years
earlier.
> > >>>> That was the last time I gave them any of my business.
> > >>>> On Oct 22, 9:36 pm, rutnip <rutnip2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >>>>> Does anybody know anything about > > >>>>> this?http://www.zcafe.ca/site/ > > >>>>> Product.aspx?ID=472
> > >>>>> I wonder if it really is an Expobar product.- Hide quoted text > > >>>>> -
Ben, I wish you would have tried the gold pro out. I remember there was a
problem with ordering just that part -minimun cost- wise.
I kind of prefer the GP for injecting air - the holes are situated
differently with different angles from the Isomac. It seems a little faster,
but not too frisky.
For me, it is tricker to wipe off, though. - Dennis
_____
From: brewtus@googlegroups.com [mailto:brewtus@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Benjamin McCafferty
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 6:31 PM
To: brewtus@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Another steam tip
Hey Dennis, Maybe you can convince Todd to send me one, and I'll put it through my
battery of tests and report back to the list, ha ha... :)
bmc
On Oct 28, 2009, at 5:25 PM, Dennis Keating wrote:
The new tip looks nice and easy to wipe off.
Todd, do you know the size of the hole in the original style and the new
sryle?
- Dennis
_____
From: brewtus@googlegroups.com [mailto:brewtus@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Todd Salzman
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 4:09 PM
To: brewtus@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Another steam tip
Hello,
I'm sorry about the confusion in regards to the steam tips.
For that reason I have put together a PDF file that shows the current steam
tip that is coming with the machines and is the one that we stock. I have
found this one to work very well. The size of the hole and design allows you
to accuratly control how much air you inject into the milk.
Yeah, one day I might get past the "pay a fee to be a customer" thing
and order a Gold Pro. Or have someone else order for me so I can try
it out and add it to the database.
b
On Oct 28, 2009, at 5:39 PM, Dennis Keating wrote:
> Ben, I wish you would have tried the gold pro out. I remember there
> was a problem with ordering just that part -minimun cost- wise.
> I kind of prefer the GP for injecting air - the holes are situated
> differently with different angles from the Isomac. It seems a little
> faster, but not too frisky.
> For me, it is tricker to wipe off, though. - Dennis
> From: brewtus@googlegroups.com [mailto:brewtus@googlegroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Benjamin McCafferty
> Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 6:31 PM
> To: brewtus@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Another steam tip
> Hey Dennis,
> Maybe you can convince Todd to send me one, and I'll put it through
> my battery of tests and report back to the list, ha ha... :)
> bmc
> On Oct 28, 2009, at 5:25 PM, Dennis Keating wrote:
>> The new tip looks nice and easy to wipe off.
>> Todd, do you know the size of the hole in the original style and
>> the new sryle?
>> - Dennis
>> From: brewtus@googlegroups.com [mailto:brewtus@googlegroups.com] On
>> Behalf Of Todd Salzman
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 4:09 PM
>> To: brewtus@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Another steam tip
>> Hello,
>> I'm sorry about the confusion in regards to the steam tips.
>> For that reason I have put together a PDF file that shows the
>> current steam tip that is coming with the machines and is the one
>> that we stock. I have found this one to work very well. The size
>> of the hole and design allows you to accuratly control how much air
>> you inject into the milk.
Did you by chance mean the "new .9mm 4-hole tip" from Chris? If so,
it does indeed have a different thread, but you can use a wrench on it
the first time, and then it will go in and out by hand thereafter. This does not change the fit of any other tips into the wand, and the
adapter still goes in and out easily as well for other tips.
However, as mentioned in my original thread on tips, the 4 holes are
quite a bit larger than .9mm. I measure them as a very loose 1.143mm,
and a snug 1.219mm (these are the combinations of feeler gauges I have
available). So I'd call them 1.2mm. This may seem insignificant, but
the difference really noticeable.
At .9mm, the holes have a total area of 2.54mm^2
At 1.2mm, the holes have a total area of 4.52mm^2
This is 177% of the .9 size. If you reference my original thread,
you'll see why this is too much hole for the machine to handle on a
sustained basis, although it's not bad for a single drink. I just
found the holes to be too big for really nice foam.
Whoever asked, the hole size on the original B2 tip is a loose 1.448
on mine, call it 1.5mm.
At 1.5mm, the area is 1.77mm^2
Notice above that the 4-hole tip in question is more than double this
size in terms of hole area, and you will quickly see why it lives in
my drawer, and not on my machine.
This gives you a really good starting point for what the machine can
handle on a sustained basis. Larger than about 2mm^2 will steam
really fast, but will deplete and overwhelm the boiler. Less than
about 1.5mm^2 will be really slow. Dividing up the area over smaller
holes will be slower but tighter foam. Larger holes will be faster
but harder to get good foam. The original tip is a good compromise
between the two, and the new tapered tip may well be an even better
compromise.
Take care,
bmc
There is one that
On Oct 28, 2009, at 5:33 PM, Dennis Keating wrote:
> Bobcat, check with Chris , but I think the Vivaldi 4 hole tip is a
> different
> thread, and their adapter won't work . I am going to try out a tip
> from
> Taiwan that is modeled after the Isomac, but with three small holes.
> However, I only steam about 4 oz milk, so a bigger tip might be too
> frisky
> for that - just playing. So far, my fav is the Gold Pro 2 hole.
> - Dennis
> -----Original Message-----
> From: brewtus@googlegroups.com [mailto:brewtus@googlegroups.com] On
> Behalf
> Of Bobcat
> Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 12:32 PM
> To: Brewtus
> Subject: Re: Another steam tip
> Thanks Dennis, I'll give them another try. Hopefully I won't end up
> with
> another one of the standard factory tips. That's what they sent me
> last
> time. Has anybody else ordered this pointy snout tip from WLL?
> Is the one pictured on their site what you received?
> On Oct 27, 2:43 pm, "Dennis Keating" <dennis.keat...@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>> WLL
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: brewtus@googlegroups.com [mailto:brewtus@googlegroups.com] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Bobcat
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 11:24 AM
>> To: Brewtus
>> Subject: Re: Another steam tip
>> I just ordered the 2 hole Isomac and the 4-small-hole Vivaldi from
>> Chris'
>> Coffee. Loking forward to trying both, but I'd still like to get one
>> of the single hole tapered body tips linked by the original poster.
>> Can anybody point me in the right direction?
>> On Oct 27, 2:21 am, Benjamin McCafferty <bmacpi...@me.com> wrote:
>>> Yes, that tip is the right idea. I have the one in the link below,
>>> but unfortunately the holes are bigger than advertised and too large
>>> for good performance on the B2. It's not bad, but not the "perfect"
>>> tip. So far the 2-hole isomac is my daily driver, and the one-hole
>>> Brewtus is a close second.
>>> tx,
>>> bmc
>>> On Oct 26, 2009, at 7:00 PM, rutnip wrote:
>>>> Nice international border symmetry! The reason that I was looking
>>>> at this tip in the first place is that 1st-Line (Gold Pro) will
>>>> not ship to Canada. I will look for the 2-hole Isomac.
>>>> Benjamin, is this:
>>>> On Oct 26, 6:26 pm, Benjamin McCafferty <bmacpi...@me.com> wrote:
>>>>> Sigh. Shaun always makes me feel like the Grasshopper. I can
>>>>> pour a really nice 6 ounce latte, but I only aspire to something
>>>>> that
> small.
>>>>> Anyway. I use the 2-hole isomac (small holes) and Shaun uses the
>>>>> 2- hole Gold Pro. They are nearly identical, and make excellent
>>>>> foam for anything latte size or smaller (Italian latte, not
>>>>> American swimming pool latte). The stock one-hole does a nice
>>>>> job, but as you said, takes a bit more "hand".
>>>>> Search on "tip experiment" and you'll find a lot of info.
>>>>> tx,
>>>>> bmc
>>>>> On Oct 26, 2009, at 3:21 PM, Shaun Taylor wrote:
>>>>>> There are a few tips out there that I'd like to play with but if
>>>>>> you don't want to try a bunch of experimentation and it's just
>>>>>> good milk you are looking for there have been some really solid
>>>>>> threads on the subject in the archinves (quite a lot of work
>>>>>> done by Ben) and the recommendations made at that time are good
>>>>>> in my opinion. As long as you go with a recommended tip, and
>>>>>> practice, you can pour some fantastic microfoam with the
>>>>>> Brewtus. I pour great milk every single day. Here's an example of
>>>>>> a four ounce beverage I had a few days ago in my own kitchen:
>>>>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/staylortravelling/4007313284/sizes/o >>>>>> /i
>>>>>> n/
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>> 57594496028315/
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: brewtus@googlegroups.com [mailto:brewtus@googlegroups.com]
>>>>>> On Behalf Of Benjamin McCafferty
>>>>>> Sent: 26 October 2009 15:59
>>>>>> To: brewtus@googlegroups.com
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Another steam tip
>>>>>> My suspicion is that this tip will make it easier to draw air
>>>>>> into the milk during the stretching phase, but will not make any
>>>>>> difference during the rolling phase (which is where I feel the
>>>>>> one-hole tip could be stronger). Let us know how it goes. I've
>>>>>> tested lots of tips, but don't think I'll be trying this one.
>>>>>> What I really would like to see is a four-hole that actually has
>>>>>> holes .9mm or smaller.
>>>>>> bmc
>>>>>> On Oct 26, 2009, at 1:36 PM, Bobcat wrote:
>>>>>>> I've been wishing for something like this for a long time. The
>>>>>>> tapered tip looks like it would make it easier to get good
>>>>>>> microfoam. The original tip is just too bulbous. I'm ordering
>>>>>>> it right now.
>>>>>>> I tried to get a tip that was supposed to be similar to this
>>>>>>> from WLL about two years ago. They described it as the new
>>>>>>> latte art steaming tip. After ordering it I was informed that
>>>>>>> it was on backorder, and it would ship as soon as they had it.
>>>>>>> They went ahead and charged my credit card and I eventually
>>>>>>> forgot about it. Then, about 6 months later, a tip showed up
>>>>>>> that was identical to the one that came on my machine two years
> earlier.
>>>>>>> That was the last time I gave them any of my business.
>>>>>>> On Oct 22, 9:36 pm, rutnip <rutnip2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Does anybody know anything about
>>>>>>>> this?http://www.zcafe.ca/site/ >>>>>>>> Product.aspx?ID=472
>>>>>>>> I wonder if it really is an Expobar product.- Hide quoted text
>>>>>>>> -
Ben, Look at Chris' website regarding the Vivaldi steam tip. It states the
original, bigger 4 hole tip has 1.2 mm holes. I think they supplied you
with the wrong one. - Dennis
-----Original Message-----
From: brewtus@googlegroups.com [mailto:brewtus@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Benjamin McCafferty
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 7:13 PM
To: brewtus@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Another steam tip
Did you by chance mean the "new .9mm 4-hole tip" from Chris? If so, it does
indeed have a different thread, but you can use a wrench on it
the first time, and then it will go in and out by hand thereafter. This does not change the fit of any other tips into the wand, and the
adapter still goes in and out easily as well for other tips.
However, as mentioned in my original thread on tips, the 4 holes are quite a
bit larger than .9mm. I measure them as a very loose 1.143mm, and a snug
1.219mm (these are the combinations of feeler gauges I have available). So
I'd call them 1.2mm. This may seem insignificant, but the difference really
noticeable.
At .9mm, the holes have a total area of 2.54mm^2 At 1.2mm, the holes have a
total area of 4.52mm^2
This is 177% of the .9 size. If you reference my original thread, you'll
see why this is too much hole for the machine to handle on a sustained
basis, although it's not bad for a single drink. I just found the holes to
be too big for really nice foam.
Whoever asked, the hole size on the original B2 tip is a loose 1.448 on
mine, call it 1.5mm.
At 1.5mm, the area is 1.77mm^2
Notice above that the 4-hole tip in question is more than double this size
in terms of hole area, and you will quickly see why it lives in my drawer,
and not on my machine.
This gives you a really good starting point for what the machine can handle
on a sustained basis. Larger than about 2mm^2 will steam really fast, but
will deplete and overwhelm the boiler. Less than about 1.5mm^2 will be
really slow. Dividing up the area over smaller holes will be slower but
tighter foam. Larger holes will be faster but harder to get good foam. The
original tip is a good compromise between the two, and the new tapered tip
may well be an even better compromise.
Take care,
bmc
There is one that
On Oct 28, 2009, at 5:33 PM, Dennis Keating wrote:
> Bobcat, check with Chris , but I think the Vivaldi 4 hole tip is a > different thread, and their adapter won't work . I am going to try > out a tip from Taiwan that is modeled after the Isomac, but with three > small holes.
> However, I only steam about 4 oz milk, so a bigger tip might be too > frisky for that - just playing. So far, my fav is the Gold Pro 2 hole.
> - Dennis
> -----Original Message-----
> From: brewtus@googlegroups.com [mailto:brewtus@googlegroups.com] On > Behalf Of Bobcat
> Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 12:32 PM
> To: Brewtus
> Subject: Re: Another steam tip
> Thanks Dennis, I'll give them another try. Hopefully I won't end up > with another one of the standard factory tips. That's what they sent > me last time. Has anybody else ordered this pointy snout tip from WLL?
> Is the one pictured on their site what you received?
> On Oct 27, 2:43 pm, "Dennis Keating" <dennis.keat...@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>> WLL
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: brewtus@googlegroups.com [mailto:brewtus@googlegroups.com] On >> Behalf
>> Of Bobcat
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 11:24 AM
>> To: Brewtus
>> Subject: Re: Another steam tip
>> I just ordered the 2 hole Isomac and the 4-small-hole Vivaldi from >> Chris'
>> Coffee. Loking forward to trying both, but I'd still like to get one >> of the single hole tapered body tips linked by the original poster.
>> Can anybody point me in the right direction?
>> On Oct 27, 2:21 am, Benjamin McCafferty <bmacpi...@me.com> wrote:
>>> Yes, that tip is the right idea. I have the one in the link below, >>> but unfortunately the holes are bigger than advertised and too large >>> for good performance on the B2. It's not bad, but not the "perfect"
>>> tip. So far the 2-hole isomac is my daily driver, and the one-hole >>> Brewtus is a close second.
>>> tx,
>>> bmc
>>> On Oct 26, 2009, at 7:00 PM, rutnip wrote:
>>>> Nice international border symmetry! The reason that I was looking >>>> at this tip in the first place is that 1st-Line (Gold Pro) will >>>> not ship to Canada. I will look for the 2-hole Isomac.
>>>> Benjamin, is this:
>>>> On Oct 26, 6:26 pm, Benjamin McCafferty <bmacpi...@me.com> wrote:
>>>>> Sigh. Shaun always makes me feel like the Grasshopper. I can >>>>> pour a really nice 6 ounce latte, but I only aspire to something >>>>> that
> small.
>>>>> Anyway. I use the 2-hole isomac (small holes) and Shaun uses the
>>>>> 2- hole Gold Pro. They are nearly identical, and make excellent >>>>> foam for anything latte size or smaller (Italian latte, not >>>>> American swimming pool latte). The stock one-hole does a nice >>>>> job, but as you said, takes a bit more "hand".
>>>>> Search on "tip experiment" and you'll find a lot of info.
>>>>> tx,
>>>>> bmc
>>>>> On Oct 26, 2009, at 3:21 PM, Shaun Taylor wrote:
>>>>>> There are a few tips out there that I'd like to play with but if >>>>>> you don't want to try a bunch of experimentation and it's just >>>>>> good milk you are looking for there have been some really solid >>>>>> threads on the subject in the archinves (quite a lot of work >>>>>> done by Ben) and the recommendations made at that time are good >>>>>> in my opinion. As long as you go with a recommended tip, and >>>>>> practice, you can pour some fantastic microfoam with the Brewtus. >>>>>> I pour great milk every single day. Here's an example of a four >>>>>> ounce beverage I had a few days ago in my own kitchen:
>>>>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/staylortravelling/4007313284/sizes/o >>>>>> /i
>>>>>> n/
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>> 57594496028315/
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: brewtus@googlegroups.com [mailto:brewtus@googlegroups.com] >>>>>> On Behalf Of Benjamin McCafferty
>>>>>> Sent: 26 October 2009 15:59
>>>>>> To: brewtus@googlegroups.com
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Another steam tip
>>>>>> My suspicion is that this tip will make it easier to draw air >>>>>> into the milk during the stretching phase, but will not make any >>>>>> difference during the rolling phase (which is where I feel the >>>>>> one-hole tip could be stronger). Let us know how it goes. I've >>>>>> tested lots of tips, but don't think I'll be trying this one.
>>>>>> What I really would like to see is a four-hole that actually has >>>>>> holes .9mm or smaller.
>>>>>> bmc
>>>>>> On Oct 26, 2009, at 1:36 PM, Bobcat wrote:
>>>>>>> I've been wishing for something like this for a long time. The >>>>>>> tapered tip looks like it would make it easier to get good >>>>>>> microfoam. The original tip is just too bulbous. I'm ordering it >>>>>>> right now.
>>>>>>> I tried to get a tip that was supposed to be similar to this >>>>>>> from WLL about two years ago. They described it as the new latte >>>>>>> art steaming tip. After ordering it I was informed that it was >>>>>>> on backorder, and it would ship as soon as they had it.
>>>>>>> They went ahead and charged my credit card and I eventually >>>>>>> forgot about it. Then, about 6 months later, a tip showed up >>>>>>> that was identical to the one that came on my machine two years
> earlier.
>>>>>>> That was the last time I gave them any of my business.
>>>>>>> On Oct 22, 9:36 pm, rutnip <rutnip2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Does anybody know anything about this?http://www.zcafe.ca/site/ >>>>>>>> Product.aspx?ID=472
>>>>>>>> I wonder if it really is an Expobar product.- Hide quoted text
>>>>>>>> -
Thanks Dennis,
I've wondered about that also--the photo says 1.2, the text says 1.3. But, my tip is clearly the one on the right, based on the relative
size of the holes to the tip, and the flat milled on the bottom of the
tip, between the four holes. I think the original is far larger than
1.2, and the .9 is actually the one I have at 1.2. I just think the
spec and the product don't match.
bmc
Let me know if you get one, and how it measures out.
On Oct 28, 2009, at 7:43 PM, Dennis Keating wrote:
> Ben, Look at Chris' website regarding the Vivaldi steam tip. It
> states the
> original, bigger 4 hole tip has 1.2 mm holes. I think they supplied
> you
> with the wrong one.
> - Dennis
> -----Original Message-----
> From: brewtus@googlegroups.com [mailto:brewtus@googlegroups.com] On
> Behalf
> Of Benjamin McCafferty
> Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 7:13 PM
> To: brewtus@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Another steam tip
> Did you by chance mean the "new .9mm 4-hole tip" from Chris? If so,
> it does
> indeed have a different thread, but you can use a wrench on it
> the first time, and then it will go in and out by hand thereafter.
> This does not change the fit of any other tips into the wand, and the
> adapter still goes in and out easily as well for other tips.
> However, as mentioned in my original thread on tips, the 4 holes are
> quite a
> bit larger than .9mm. I measure them as a very loose 1.143mm, and a
> snug
> 1.219mm (these are the combinations of feeler gauges I have
> available). So
> I'd call them 1.2mm. This may seem insignificant, but the
> difference really
> noticeable.
> At .9mm, the holes have a total area of 2.54mm^2 At 1.2mm, the holes
> have a
> total area of 4.52mm^2
> This is 177% of the .9 size. If you reference my original thread,
> you'll
> see why this is too much hole for the machine to handle on a sustained
> basis, although it's not bad for a single drink. I just found the
> holes to
> be too big for really nice foam.
> Whoever asked, the hole size on the original B2 tip is a loose 1.448
> on
> mine, call it 1.5mm.
> At 1.5mm, the area is 1.77mm^2
> Notice above that the 4-hole tip in question is more than double
> this size
> in terms of hole area, and you will quickly see why it lives in my
> drawer,
> and not on my machine.
> This gives you a really good starting point for what the machine can
> handle
> on a sustained basis. Larger than about 2mm^2 will steam really
> fast, but
> will deplete and overwhelm the boiler. Less than about 1.5mm^2 will
> be
> really slow. Dividing up the area over smaller holes will be slower
> but
> tighter foam. Larger holes will be faster but harder to get good
> foam. The
> original tip is a good compromise between the two, and the new
> tapered tip
> may well be an even better compromise.
> Take care,
> bmc
> There is one that
> On Oct 28, 2009, at 5:33 PM, Dennis Keating wrote:
>> Bobcat, check with Chris , but I think the Vivaldi 4 hole tip is a
>> different thread, and their adapter won't work . I am going to try
>> out a tip from Taiwan that is modeled after the Isomac, but with
>> three
>> small holes.
>> However, I only steam about 4 oz milk, so a bigger tip might be too
>> frisky for that - just playing. So far, my fav is the Gold Pro 2
>> hole.
>> - Dennis
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: brewtus@googlegroups.com [mailto:brewtus@googlegroups.com] On
>> Behalf Of Bobcat
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 12:32 PM
>> To: Brewtus
>> Subject: Re: Another steam tip
>> Thanks Dennis, I'll give them another try. Hopefully I won't end up
>> with another one of the standard factory tips. That's what they sent
>> me last time. Has anybody else ordered this pointy snout tip from
>> WLL?
>> Is the one pictured on their site what you received?
>> On Oct 27, 2:43 pm, "Dennis Keating" <dennis.keat...@comcast.net>
>> wrote:
>>> WLL
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: brewtus@googlegroups.com [mailto:brewtus@googlegroups.com] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Bobcat
>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 11:24 AM
>>> To: Brewtus
>>> Subject: Re: Another steam tip
>>> I just ordered the 2 hole Isomac and the 4-small-hole Vivaldi from
>>> Chris'
>>> Coffee. Loking forward to trying both, but I'd still like to get one
>>> of the single hole tapered body tips linked by the original poster.
>>> Can anybody point me in the right direction?
>>> On Oct 27, 2:21 am, Benjamin McCafferty <bmacpi...@me.com> wrote:
>>>> Yes, that tip is the right idea. I have the one in the link below,
>>>> but unfortunately the holes are bigger than advertised and too
>>>> large
>>>> for good performance on the B2. It's not bad, but not the
>>>> "perfect"
>>>> tip. So far the 2-hole isomac is my daily driver, and the one-hole
>>>> Brewtus is a close second.
>>>> tx,
>>>> bmc
>>>> On Oct 26, 2009, at 7:00 PM, rutnip wrote:
>>>>> Nice international border symmetry! The reason that I was looking
>>>>> at this tip in the first place is that 1st-Line (Gold Pro) will
>>>>> not ship to Canada. I will look for the 2-hole Isomac.
>>>>> Benjamin, is this:
>>>>> On Oct 26, 6:26 pm, Benjamin McCafferty <bmacpi...@me.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Sigh. Shaun always makes me feel like the Grasshopper. I can
>>>>>> pour a really nice 6 ounce latte, but I only aspire to something
>>>>>> that
>> small.
>>>>>> Anyway. I use the 2-hole isomac (small holes) and Shaun uses the
>>>>>> 2- hole Gold Pro. They are nearly identical, and make excellent
>>>>>> foam for anything latte size or smaller (Italian latte, not
>>>>>> American swimming pool latte). The stock one-hole does a nice
>>>>>> job, but as you said, takes a bit more "hand".
>>>>>> Search on "tip experiment" and you'll find a lot of info.
>>>>>> tx,
>>>>>> bmc
>>>>>> On Oct 26, 2009, at 3:21 PM, Shaun Taylor wrote:
>>>>>>> There are a few tips out there that I'd like to play with but if
>>>>>>> you don't want to try a bunch of experimentation and it's just
>>>>>>> good milk you are looking for there have been some really
>>>>>>> solid
>>>>>>> threads on the subject in the archinves (quite a lot of work
>>>>>>> done by Ben) and the recommendations made at that time are
>>>>>>> good
>>>>>>> in my opinion. As long as you go with a recommended tip, and
>>>>>>> practice, you can pour some fantastic microfoam with the
>>>>>>> Brewtus.
>>>>>>> I pour great milk every single day. Here's an example of a four
>>>>>>> ounce beverage I had a few days ago in my own kitchen:
>>>>>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/staylortravelling/4007313284/ >>>>>>> sizes/o
>>>>>>> /i
>>>>>>> n/
>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> 57594496028315/
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: brewtus@googlegroups.com [mailto:brewtus@googlegroups.com]
>>>>>>> On Behalf Of Benjamin McCafferty
>>>>>>> Sent: 26 October 2009 15:59
>>>>>>> To: brewtus@googlegroups.com
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Another steam tip
>>>>>>> My suspicion is that this tip will make it easier to draw air
>>>>>>> into the milk during the stretching phase, but will not make any
>>>>>>> difference during the rolling phase (which is where I feel the
>>>>>>> one-hole tip could be stronger). Let us know how it goes. I've
>>>>>>> tested lots of tips, but don't think I'll be trying this one.
>>>>>>> What I really would like to see is a four-hole that actually has
>>>>>>> holes .9mm or smaller.
>>>>>>> bmc
>>>>>>> On Oct 26, 2009, at 1:36 PM, Bobcat wrote:
>>>>>>>> I've been wishing for something like this for a long time. The
>>>>>>>> tapered tip looks like it would make it easier to get good
>>>>>>>> microfoam. The original tip is just too bulbous. I'm ordering
>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>> right now.
>>>>>>>> I tried to get a tip that was supposed to be similar to this
>>>>>>>> from WLL about two years ago. They described it as the new
>>>>>>>> latte
>>>>>>>> art steaming tip. After ordering it I was informed that it was
>>>>>>>> on backorder, and it would ship as soon as they had it.
>>>>>>>> They went ahead and charged my credit card and I eventually
>>>>>>>> forgot about it. Then, about 6 months later, a tip showed up
>>>>>>>> that was identical to the one that came on my machine two years
>> earlier.
>>>>>>>> That was the last time I gave them any of my business.
>>>>>>>> On Oct 22, 9:36 pm, rutnip <rutnip2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Does anybody know anything about this?http://www.zcafe.ca/ >>>>>>>>> site/
>>>>>>>>> Product.aspx?ID=472
>>>>>>>>> I wonder if it really is an Expobar product.- Hide quoted text
>>>>>>>>> -
-----Original Message-----
From: brewtus@googlegroups.com [mailto:brewtus@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Benjamin McCafferty
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 9:11 PM
To: brewtus@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Another steam tip
Thanks Dennis,
I've wondered about that also--the photo says 1.2, the text says 1.3. But, my tip is clearly the one on the right, based on the relative size of
the holes to the tip, and the flat milled on the bottom of the tip, between
the four holes. I think the original is far larger than 1.2, and the .9 is
actually the one I have at 1.2. I just think the spec and the product don't
match.
bmc
Let me know if you get one, and how it measures out.
On Oct 28, 2009, at 7:43 PM, Dennis Keating wrote:
> Ben, Look at Chris' website regarding the Vivaldi steam tip. It > states the original, bigger 4 hole tip has 1.2 mm holes. I think they > supplied you with the wrong one.
> - Dennis
> -----Original Message-----
> From: brewtus@googlegroups.com [mailto:brewtus@googlegroups.com] On > Behalf Of Benjamin McCafferty
> Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 7:13 PM
> To: brewtus@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Another steam tip
> Did you by chance mean the "new .9mm 4-hole tip" from Chris? If so, > it does indeed have a different thread, but you can use a wrench on it > the first time, and then it will go in and out by hand thereafter.
> This does not change the fit of any other tips into the wand, and the > adapter still goes in and out easily as well for other tips.
> However, as mentioned in my original thread on tips, the 4 holes are > quite a bit larger than .9mm. I measure them as a very loose 1.143mm, > and a snug 1.219mm (these are the combinations of feeler gauges I have > available). So I'd call them 1.2mm. This may seem insignificant, but > the difference really noticeable.
> At .9mm, the holes have a total area of 2.54mm^2 At 1.2mm, the holes > have a total area of 4.52mm^2
> This is 177% of the .9 size. If you reference my original thread, > you'll see why this is too much hole for the machine to handle on a > sustained basis, although it's not bad for a single drink. I just > found the holes to be too big for really nice foam.
> Whoever asked, the hole size on the original B2 tip is a loose 1.448 > on mine, call it 1.5mm.
> At 1.5mm, the area is 1.77mm^2
> Notice above that the 4-hole tip in question is more than double this > size in terms of hole area, and you will quickly see why it lives in > my drawer, and not on my machine.
> This gives you a really good starting point for what the machine can > handle on a sustained basis. Larger than about 2mm^2 will steam > really fast, but will deplete and overwhelm the boiler. Less than > about 1.5mm^2 will be really slow. Dividing up the area over smaller > holes will be slower but tighter foam. Larger holes will be faster > but harder to get good foam. The original tip is a good compromise > between the two, and the new tapered tip may well be an even better > compromise.
> Take care,
> bmc
> There is one that
> On Oct 28, 2009, at 5:33 PM, Dennis Keating wrote:
>> Bobcat, check with Chris , but I think the Vivaldi 4 hole tip is a >> different thread, and their adapter won't work . I am going to try >> out a tip from Taiwan that is modeled after the Isomac, but with >> three small holes.
>> However, I only steam about 4 oz milk, so a bigger tip might be too >> frisky for that - just playing. So far, my fav is the Gold Pro 2 >> hole.
>> - Dennis
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: brewtus@googlegroups.com [mailto:brewtus@googlegroups.com] On >> Behalf Of Bobcat
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 12:32 PM
>> To: Brewtus
>> Subject: Re: Another steam tip
>> Thanks Dennis, I'll give them another try. Hopefully I won't end up >> with another one of the standard factory tips. That's what they sent >> me last time. Has anybody else ordered this pointy snout tip from >> WLL?
>> Is the one pictured on their site what you received?
>> On Oct 27, 2:43 pm, "Dennis Keating" <dennis.keat...@comcast.net>
>> wrote:
>>> WLL
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: brewtus@googlegroups.com [mailto:brewtus@googlegroups.com] On >>> Behalf
>>> Of Bobcat
>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 11:24 AM
>>> To: Brewtus
>>> Subject: Re: Another steam tip
>>> I just ordered the 2 hole Isomac and the 4-small-hole Vivaldi from >>> Chris'
>>> Coffee. Loking forward to trying both, but I'd still like to get one >>> of the single hole tapered body tips linked by the original poster.
>>> Can anybody point me in the right direction?
>>> On Oct 27, 2:21 am, Benjamin McCafferty <bmacpi...@me.com> wrote:
>>>> Yes, that tip is the right idea. I have the one in the link below, >>>> but unfortunately the holes are bigger than advertised and too >>>> large for good performance on the B2. It's not bad, but not the >>>> "perfect"
>>>> tip. So far the 2-hole isomac is my daily driver, and the one-hole >>>> Brewtus is a close second.
>>>> tx,
>>>> bmc
>>>> On Oct 26, 2009, at 7:00 PM, rutnip wrote:
>>>>> Nice international border symmetry! The reason that I was looking >>>>> at this tip in the first place is that 1st-Line (Gold Pro) will >>>>> not ship to Canada. I will look for the 2-hole Isomac.
>>>>> Benjamin, is this:
>>>>> On Oct 26, 6:26 pm, Benjamin McCafferty <bmacpi...@me.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Sigh. Shaun always makes me feel like the Grasshopper. I can >>>>>> pour a really nice 6 ounce latte, but I only aspire to something >>>>>> that
>> small.
>>>>>> Anyway. I use the 2-hole isomac (small holes) and Shaun uses the
>>>>>> 2- hole Gold Pro. They are nearly identical, and make excellent >>>>>> foam for anything latte size or smaller (Italian latte, not >>>>>> American swimming pool latte). The stock one-hole does a nice >>>>>> job, but as you said, takes a bit more "hand".
>>>>>> Search on "tip experiment" and you'll find a lot of info.
>>>>>> tx,
>>>>>> bmc
>>>>>> On Oct 26, 2009, at 3:21 PM, Shaun Taylor wrote:
>>>>>>> There are a few tips out there that I'd like to play with but if >>>>>>> you don't want to try a bunch of experimentation and it's just >>>>>>> good milk you are looking for there have been some really >>>>>>> solid threads on the subject in the archinves (quite a lot of >>>>>>> work done by Ben) and the recommendations made at that time >>>>>>> are good in my opinion. As long as you go with a recommended >>>>>>> tip, and practice, you can pour some fantastic microfoam with >>>>>>> the Brewtus.
>>>>>>> I pour great milk every single day. Here's an example of a four >>>>>>> ounce beverage I had a few days ago in my own kitchen:
>>>>>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/staylortravelling/4007313284/ >>>>>>> sizes/o
>>>>>>> /i
>>>>>>> n/
>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> 57594496028315/
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: brewtus@googlegroups.com [mailto:brewtus@googlegroups.com] >>>>>>> On Behalf Of Benjamin McCafferty
>>>>>>> Sent: 26 October 2009 15:59
>>>>>>> To: brewtus@googlegroups.com
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Another steam tip
>>>>>>> My suspicion is that this tip will make it easier to draw air >>>>>>> into the milk during the stretching phase, but will not make any >>>>>>> difference during the rolling phase (which is where I feel the >>>>>>> one-hole tip could be stronger). Let us know how it goes. I've >>>>>>> tested lots of tips, but don't think I'll be trying this one.
>>>>>>> What I really would like to see is a four-hole that actually has >>>>>>> holes .9mm or smaller.
>>>>>>> bmc
>>>>>>> On Oct 26, 2009, at 1:36 PM, Bobcat wrote:
>>>>>>>> I've been wishing for something like this for a long time. The >>>>>>>> tapered tip looks like it would make it easier to get good >>>>>>>> microfoam. The original tip is just too bulbous. I'm ordering >>>>>>>> it right now.
>>>>>>>> I tried to get a tip that was supposed to be similar to this >>>>>>>> from WLL about two years ago. They described it as the new >>>>>>>> latte art steaming tip. After ordering it I was informed that >>>>>>>> it was on backorder, and it would ship as soon as they had it.
>>>>>>>> They went ahead and charged my credit card and I eventually >>>>>>>> forgot about it. Then, about 6 months later, a tip showed up >>>>>>>> that was identical to the one that came on my machine two years
>> earlier.
>>>>>>>> That was the last time I gave them any of my business.
>>>>>>>> On Oct 22, 9:36 pm, rutnip <rutnip2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Does anybody know anything about this?http://www.zcafe.ca/ >>>>>>>>> site/
>>>>>>>>> Product.aspx?ID=472
>>>>>>>>> I wonder if it really is an Expobar product.- Hide quoted text
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