Before we all start celebrating the switching on of the lighting along the pathway (Cinder Track) and any improvements to the surfacing, just be aware that some of the villagers are dreading this happening.
Already we have to put up with the vandalism, litter,shouting, swearing and noise, particularly late at night, which eminates from the pathway and this will we think only get worse as it has done over the past two or three years.
There has been evidence of drug taking, possibly drug dealing along the pathway and also unless proper "barriers" are put in we will see an increase in mopeds/motorbikes using it as a route to the bakery etc. meaning even more noise and danger to pedestrians. I dont think anyone has tried driving a car all the way down it yet but nothing would surprise me
Whilst I am sure that there are villagers who need to use the pathway for it's proper purpose there are those who will only misuse it. It was a little used path which first the workers in Bramley Camp then the residents of Lane End and then Forge Field used occasionally without the need for lights and it is only since the German Road estate was built that this pathway has gained any prominence.
There have been to my knowledge two attacks (muggings if you like) in the past couple of years and this is likely to get worse even though the lighting may give a false sense of security. It is a very long stretch of pathway with no way out except at each end and if you wonder why in some places brambles are actively encouraged to grow, this is to deter anyone from climbing over the fences into the houses which has happened in the past.
Sorry if I sound very anti but in this case I am.
Anyway, why do we need the pathway at all; there is an unneeded roundabout to be built at the end of Campbell Road where it joins the Sherfield Road. This is so that all the residents of the German Road estate can have an easy access onto the main road. With the roundabout costing £350,000 makes me wonder why you would even use the pathway.
Sorry Phil but I do not share your feelings about the cinder track. For over 40 years I have used that track, as many others have done so. The fact that in recent years it was allowed to get over grown did put many people off using it. In the not so distant past it was well tended and indeed well lit, all that is happening is that for once a facility is being put back into use.
Thanks Scott. I can only go back 20 years in Bramley but 20/40 years ago we are talking different standards of behaviour more is the pity
Regards
Phil
________________________________ From: Scott <scott.nay...@btinternet.com> To: bramley@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, 19 July 2012, 17:31 Subject: [Bramley Group] "Cinder Track" improvements
Sorry Phil but I do not share your feelings about the cinder track. For over 40 years I have used that track, as many others have done so. The fact that in recent years it was allowed to get over grown did put many people off using it. In the not so distant past it was well tended and indeed well lit, all that is happening is that for once a facility is being put back into use.
Regards Scott
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> Before we all start celebrating the switching on of the lighting along the pathway (Cinder Track) and any improvements to the surfacing, just be aware that some of the villagers are dreading this happening.
> Already we have to put up with the vandalism, litter,shouting, swearing and noise, particularly late at night, which eminates from the pathway and this will we think only get worse as it has done over the past two or three years. > There has been evidence of drug taking, possibly drug dealing along the pathway and also unless proper "barriers" are put in we will see an increase in mopeds/motorbikes using it as a route to the bakery etc. meaning even more noise and danger to pedestrians. I dont think anyone has tried driving a car all the way down it yet but nothing would surprise me
> Whilst I am sure that there are villagers who need to use the pathway for it's proper purpose there are those who will only misuse it. It was a little used path which first the workers in Bramley Camp then the residents of Lane End and then Forge Field used occasionally without the need for lights and it is only since the German Road estate was built that this pathway has gained any prominence.
> There have been to my knowledge two attacks (muggings if you like) in the past couple of years and this is likely to get worse even though the lighting may give a false sense of security. It is a very long stretch of pathway with no way out except at each end and if you wonder why in some places brambles are actively encouraged to grow, this is to deter anyone from climbing over the fences into the houses which has happened in the past.
> Sorry if I sound very anti but in this case I am.
> Anyway, why do we need the pathway at all; there is an unneeded roundabout to be built at the end of Campbell Road where it joins the Sherfield Road. This is so that all the residents of the German Road estate can have an easy access onto the main road. With the roundabout costing £350,000 makes me wonder why you would even use the pathway.
> Kind regards to you all
> Phil McCorry
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There must have been trouble even 40 plus years ago because our prisons and young offender institutions (aka borstals) did not suddenly spring up (even relatively) recently; so I think previous generations had their own problems with what passed for unacceptable behaviour.
In a message dated 19/07/2012 17:55:58 GMT Daylight Time,
Thanks Scott. I can only go back 20 years in Bramley but 20/40 years ago we are talking different standards of behaviour more is the pity
Regards
Phil
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To: bramley@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, 19 July 2012, 17:31
Subject: [Bramley Group] "Cinder Track" improvements
Sorry Phil but I do not share your feelings about the cinder track. For over 40 years I have used that track, as many others have done so. The fact that in recent years it was allowed to get over grown did put many people off using it. In the not so distant past it was well tended and indeed well lit, all that is happening is that for once a facility is being put back into use.
Regards
Scott
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Before we all start celebrating the switching on of the lighting along the pathway (Cinder Track) and any improvements to the surfacing, just be
aware that some of the villagers are dreading this happening.
Already we have to put up with the vandalism, litter,shouting, swearing
and noise, particularly late at night, which eminates from the pathway and
this will we think only get worse as it has done over the past two or three
years.
There has been evidence of drug taking, possibly drug dealing along the
pathway and also unless proper "barriers" are put in we will see an increase
in mopeds/motorbikes using it as a route to the bakery etc. meaning even more noise and danger to pedestrians. I dont think anyone has tried driving a car all the way down it yet but nothing would surprise me
Whilst I am sure that there are villagers who need to use the pathway for
it's proper purpose there are those who will only misuse it. It was a little used path which first the workers in Bramley Camp then the residents of Lane End and then Forge Field used occasionally without the need for lights and it is only since the German Road estate was built that this pathway has gained any prominence.
There have been to my knowledge two attacks (muggings if you like) in the
past couple of years and this is likely to get worse even though the lighting may give a false sense of security. It is a very long stretch of pathway with no way out except at each end and if you wonder why in some places brambles are actively encouraged to grow, this is to deter anyone from climbing over the fences into the houses which has happened in the past.
Sorry if I sound very anti but in this case I am.
Anyway, why do we need the pathway at all; there is an unneeded roundabout to be built at the end of Campbell Road where it joins the Sherfield Road. This is so that all the residents of the German Road estate can have an easy access onto the main road. With the roundabout costing £350,000 makes me wonder why you would even use the pathway.
Not sure what point you are trying to make but you are not adressing the problems I raised about the Cinder Track
I was referring to the present and past residents of Bramley many of whom I went to school with and worked with 40 plus years ago in Basingstoke. As far as I know they all grew up as honest and decent citizens and did not finish up in prison or borstal
Phil McCorry
________________________________ From: "Pfm1...@aol.com" <Pfm1...@aol.com> To: bramley@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, 19 July 2012, 19:02 Subject: Re: [Bramley Group] "Cinder Track" improvements
There must have been trouble even 40 plus years ago because our prisons and young offender institutions (aka borstals) did not suddenly spring up (even relatively) recently; so I think previous generations had their own problems with what passed for unacceptable behaviour.
In a message dated 19/07/2012 17:55:58 GMT Daylight Time,
>________________________________ > From: Scott <scott.nay...@btinternet.com> >To: bramley@googlegroups.com >Sent: Thursday, 19 July 2012, 17:31 >Subject: [Bramley Group] "Cinder Track" improvements
>Sorry Phil but I do not
share your feelings about the cinder track. For over 40 years I have used that track, as many others have done so. The fact that in recent years it was allowed to get over grown did put many people off using it. In the not so distant past it was well tended and indeed well lit, all that is happening is that for once a facility is being put back into use.
>Regards >Scott
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Not sure what point you are trying to make but you are not adressing the problems I raised about the Cinder Track
I was referring to the present and past residents of Bramley many of whom I went to school with and worked with 40 plus years ago in Basingstoke.
As far as I know they all grew up as honest and decent citizens and did not finish up in prison or borstal
Phil McCorry
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To: bramley@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, 19 July 2012, 19:02
Subject: Re: [Bramley Group] "Cinder Track" improvements
There must have been trouble even 40 plus years ago because our prisons and young offender institutions (aka borstals) did not suddenly spring up (even relatively) recently; so I think previous generations had their own problems with what passed for unacceptable behaviour.
In a message dated 19/07/2012 17:55:58 GMT Daylight Time,
Thanks Scott. I can only go back 20 years in Bramley but 20/40 years ago we are talking different standards of behaviour more is the pity
Regards
Phil
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From: Scott <scott.nay...@btinternet.com>
To: bramley@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, 19 July 2012, 17:31
Subject: [Bramley Group] "Cinder Track" improvements
Sorry Phil but I do not share your feelings about the cinder track. For over 40 years I have used that track, as many others have done so. The fact that in recent years it was allowed to get over grown did put many people off using it. In the not so distant past it was well tended and indeed well lit, all that is happening is that for once a facility is being put back into use.
Regards
Scott
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________________________________ From: "Pfm1...@aol.com" <Pfm1...@aol.com> To: bramley@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, 19 July 2012, 19:48 Subject: Re: [Bramley Group] "Cinder Track" improvements
Dear oh dear Phil , you sound like the original Mr Grumpy!
In a message dated 19/07/2012 17:01:32 GMT Daylight Time,
Before we all start celebrating the switching on of the lighting along the pathway (Cinder Track) and any improvements to the surfacing, just be aware that some of the villagers are dreading this happening.
>Already we have to put up with the vandalism, litter,shouting, swearing and noise, particularly late at night, which eminates from the pathway and this will we think only get worse as it has done over the past two or three years.
>There has been evidence of drug taking, possibly drug dealing along the pathway and also unless proper "barriers" are put in we will see an increase in mopeds/motorbikes using it as a route to the bakery etc. meaning even more noise and danger to pedestrians. I dont think anyone has tried driving a car all the way down it yet but nothing would surprise me
>Whilst I am sure that there are villagers who need to use the pathway for it's proper purpose there are those who will only misuse it. It was a little used path which first the workers in Bramley Camp then the residents of Lane End and then Forge Field used occasionally without the need for lights and it is only since the German Road estate was built that this pathway has gained any prominence.
>There have been to my knowledge two attacks (muggings if you like) in the past couple of years and this is likely to get worse even though the lighting may give a false sense of security. It is a very long stretch of pathway with no way out except at each end and if you wonder why in some places brambles are actively encouraged to grow, this is to deter anyone from climbing over the fences into the houses which has happened in the past.
>Sorry if I sound very anti but in this case I am.
>Anyway, why do we need the pathway at all; there is an unneeded roundabout to be built at the end of Campbell Road where it joins the Sherfield Road. This is so that all the residents of the German Road estate can have an easy access onto the main road. With the roundabout costing £350,000 makes me wonder why you would even use the pathway.
>Kind regards to you all
>Phil McCorry
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To: bramley@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, 19 July 2012, 19:48
Subject: Re: [Bramley Group] "Cinder Track" improvements
Dear oh dear Phil , you sound like the original Mr Grumpy!
In a message dated 19/07/2012 17:01:32 GMT Daylight Time, philmcco...@yahoo.co.uk writes:
Before we all start celebrating the switching on of the lighting along the pathway (Cinder Track) and any improvements to the surfacing, just be aware that some of the villagers are dreading this happening.
>Already we have to put up with the vandalism, litter,shouting, swearing and noise, particularly late at night, which eminates from the pathway and this will we think only get worse as it has done over the past two or three years.
>There has been evidence of drug taking, possibly drug dealing along the pathway and also unless proper "barriers" are put in we will see an increase in mopeds/motorbikes using it as a route to the bakery etc. meaning even more noise and danger to pedestrians. I dont think anyone has tried driving a car all the way down it yet but nothing would surprise me
>Whilst I am sure that there are villagers who need to use the pathway for it's proper purpose there are those who will only misuse it. It was a little used path which first the workers in Bramley Camp then the residents of Lane End and then Forge Field used occasionally without the need for lights and it is only since the German Road estate was built that this pathway has gained any prominence.
>There have been to my knowledge two attacks (muggings if you like) in the past couple of years and this is likely to get worse even though the lighting may give a false sense of security. It is a very long stretch of pathway with no way out except at each end and if you wonder why in some places brambles are actively encouraged to grow, this is to deter anyone from climbing over the fences into the houses which has happened in the past.
>Sorry if I sound very anti but in this case I am.
>Anyway, why do we need the pathway at all; there is an unneeded roundabout to be built at the end of Campbell Road where it joins the Sherfield Road. This is so that all the residents of the German Road estate can have an easy access onto the main road. With the roundabout costing £350,000 makes me wonder why you would even use the pathway.
>Kind regards to you all
>Phil McCorry
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To: bramley@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, 19 July 2012, 19:48
Subject: Re: [Bramley Group] "Cinder Track" improvements
Dear oh dear Phil , you sound like the original Mr Grumpy!
In a message dated 19/07/2012 17:01:32 GMT Daylight Time,
Before we all start celebrating the switching on of the lighting along the pathway (Cinder Track) and any improvements to the surfacing, just be
aware that some of the villagers are dreading this happening.
Already we have to put up with the vandalism, litter,shouting, swearing
and noise, particularly late at night, which eminates from the pathway and
this will we think only get worse as it has done over the past two or three
years.
There has been evidence of drug taking, possibly drug dealing along the
pathway and also unless proper "barriers" are put in we will see an increase
in mopeds/motorbikes using it as a route to the bakery etc. meaning even
more noise and danger to pedestrians. I dont think anyone has tried driving a car all the way down it yet but nothing would surprise me
Whilst I am sure that there are villagers who need to use the pathway for it's proper purpose there are those who will only misuse it. It was a
little used path which first the workers in Bramley Camp then the residents of Lane End and then Forge Field used occasionally without the need for lights and it is only since the German Road estate was built that this pathway has gained any prominence.
There have been to my knowledge two attacks (muggings if you like) in the past couple of years and this is likely to get worse even though the
lighting may give a false sense of security. It is a very long stretch of pathway with no way out except at each end and if you wonder why in some places brambles are actively encouraged to grow, this is to deter anyone from climbing over the fences into the houses which has happened in the past.
Sorry if I sound very anti but in this case I am.
Anyway, why do we need the pathway at all; there is an unneeded roundabout to be built at the end of Campbell Road where it joins the Sherfield Road. This is so that all the residents of the German Road estate can have an easy access onto the main road. With the roundabout costing £350,000 makes me wonder why you would even use the pathway.
The point remains that we as a village have been promised something that we have not yet received.
As an aside I can say for sure that motor vehicles, assaults and robberies, whilst not a common sight, could all be seen 35 years ago. The track used to have woodland separating it from the housing at Longbridge the last time it was lit. With the shift in population to Bramley Green we should be encouraging anything that takes traffic from our over used C road.
Whist i can't say i have ever seen or witnessed the unfortunate events such as muggings, drug taking and vandalism that you suggest currently happen on the path, i would put such behaviour down to the proximity of the path to the station and more importantly the fact it is in darkness. I am sure others will agree that illuminating this path will put off these types of activities rather than increase their productivity as you seem to fear.
Would you prefer for residents to drive to the station / school on a daily basis, rather than walk?
As for fears of people driving a car down the path, I personally don't think that a path becoming illuminated will suddenly make this a good idea but even if it does happen, at least we will see them coming now.
The illumination is a great idea to the many people who catch the train and use the path to take their children to school all year round, and will make the journey to and from home much safer.
On Thursday, 19 July 2012 17:01:29 UTC+1, phil wrote:
> Before we all start celebrating the switching on of the lighting along > the pathway (Cinder Track) and any improvements to the surfacing, just be > aware that some of the villagers are dreading this happening.
> Already we have to put up with the vandalism, litter,shouting, swearing > and noise, particularly late at night, which eminates from the pathway and > this will we think only get worse as it has done over the past two or three > years. > There has been evidence of drug taking, possibly drug dealing along the > pathway and also unless proper "barriers" are put in we will see an > increase in mopeds/motorbikes using it as a route to the bakery etc. > meaning even more noise and danger to pedestrians. I dont think anyone has > tried driving a car all the way down it yet but nothing would surprise me
> Whilst I am sure that there are villagers who need to use the pathway for > it's proper purpose there are those who will only misuse it. It was a > little used path which first the workers in Bramley Camp then the residents > of Lane End and then Forge Field used occasionally without the need for > lights and it is only since the German Road estate was built that this > pathway has gained any prominence.
> There have been to my knowledge two attacks (muggings if you like) in the > past couple of years and this is likely to get worse even though the > lighting may give a false sense of security. It is a very long stretch of > pathway with no way out except at each end and if you wonder why in some > places brambles are actively encouraged to grow, this is to deter anyone > from climbing over the fences into the houses which has happened in the > past.
> Sorry if I sound very anti but in this case I am.
> Anyway, why do we need the pathway at all; there is an unneeded roundabout > to be built at the end of Campbell Road where it joins the Sherfield Road. > This is so that all the residents of the German Road estate can have an > easy access onto the main road. With the roundabout costing £350,000 makes > me wonder why you would even use the pathway.
