Phenomenal Memory Group | Hearing Voices

[Działo, Christopher]

Is there any interest among members to become my counterparts on my voyage to Phenomenal Memory for the next 2 month. I have access to PMemory.com (version 2.0) and have copies of version 1.0 coursework for those who desire. Companionship would be greatly enjoyed, and we could engage in memorizing activities and chose to display, dazzle, and otherwise increases the ease of our life. As a broker at a financial firm, memorizing daily news articles, ticker symbols, stock prices, peoples names for mental social networking analysis, and any other activity that will aid the overall advancement of my person.

Simultaneously, I'll be engaging in a P90X workout program to increase my overall functioning and enjoy the physical and cognitive improvements, n-backing and my processing speed games will be sustained.

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On an unrelated note, it appears that I'm tapping into some subconscious abilities and/or gaining more control over my mind. I'm thinking more quickly, solving problems in new ways, approaching social encounters from different angles, noticing subconscious activity and desires via facial expressions, body languages, and often double meaning in language, it's quite apparent. I've also noted odd relations in human psychological behaviors, and the thinking patters people will assume when under certain conditions given a possible intellectual state of the subject.

This may be a tad unusual, l but I'm beginning to feel 'alien-like' and will often self-identify with specific qualities in other creatures. My mental health is increasing, and viewing myself in a positive light has become easier after realizing that a large percent of the population is actually quite stupid.

At a young age, I began thinking about infinitesimals, infinity, particles, observation, an almost phantom/quantum view of the world, multiple dimensions, inflating and contracting universes, infinity expanding universes, multiple universes, parallel universes, dynamic systems, probability, fractals, irrationality, and an esoteric cyclic nature to existence. To be quite honest, I've had most of these ideas before ever reading about them. I have no idea how to prove them mathematically or experimentally, but I've always been exceptional at creating new ideas for others to use. My thinking patters tend to be a tad disorganized/chaotic, and I'm not sure of this is the cause of my ability to make unusual connections, as I find myself bouncing around in my mind at times, and I apparently speak too quick for others to understand which limits my ability to communicate with others, so my verbal fluency is in need of assistance, and over the years, I've become highly introverted, holding only one real-friend at any even point in time. 

An additional comments I would like to make as that I'm beginning to hear sounds/voices in my head; incoherent murmurs and white noises and I fail to assimilate any concrete meaning from them, and am unsure of this has any relation to my more advanced state of mind and alien nature. Now, I thought about schizophrenia, but by social standards, I've always been a tad off, and would suffer from anxiety, paranoia, and panic attacks, and I've never agreed with the practices/standards of psychiatry. I become overwhelmed with the thoughts of the singularity, life, and the fractal nature of life, and from my observations of human psychology, it appears most people are insane.

Can anyone feel new neural pathways actually forming? I've had an increase in headaches and which feels like more bran activity in general. I'm beginning to take in more visual information, and analyze the actions of more than one person when I am in a social group and can begin to map out relations by the words and way people position themselves. At times I will hear mathematics when I read or begin to solve problems, and back away -- when I read, I begin to look past the words the author is saying and begin to internalize the way he thinkings and at times can predict where his thoughts are going, and notice most people are highly repetitive. I've noted odd and crazy cyclic patters in thought, and see how obsessive disorders and certain thought patterns arise from.

Any comments regarding this would be greatly helpful. Thank you. 

[The.Fourth.Deviation.]

I've read similar things. And had similar thoughts. I would say that
the surfacing of these thoughts is probably more intense in your
situation, and at a greater depth and frequency than mine. I also did
not think about these things as a youth. You might do some research
into high functioning autism/aspergers, which i believe I have. It can
help explain the highly analytical manner of thought and anti-social
behavior.

Also, it is very unclear when all of this began for you. Do you mean
to say that doing Dual N back has caused you to have greater awareness
of things? Because that has been common here. Some individuals have
reported getting bored with general human interaction, etc.

Regarding the delusion, you might read about John Nash, who suffered
from something similar to what you describe. Also look into
synesthesia, which might explain why you "hear" math.

[Zaraki]

I would look into schizophrenia more if I were you. Paranoia, hearing
voices, being anti-social and feeling alien-like(assuming this is lack
of emotion) are all symptoms of this disease. I am not a physician
though, so I recommend doing some research of your own and taking it
seriously, it can reduce cognitive functioning quite severely.
Treating it in the early stages is important.

[Działo, Christopher]

Forgive absent detail. My mind has always been quick, and others have never been able to keep up with me. I have become bored with life that I will sleep for excessive amounts, telling myself what is the point of life if I'm going to  die, and ponder if our race will reach the singularity. 

N-backing and processing speed games have made my mind more quick, but the voices/noises are not the cause of my n-backing, they have always been there, on and off. It's almost as if I can hear the synaptical communication of my mind.

This greater awareness possible has some relation to my n-backing, social interaction appears to have improved my overall cognition and personality to a degree, I've been meditating and trying to find greater control of my mind such as 'mind over matter' mentality, and I've also begun to exercises. I'm beginning to see a greater connectedness within life, and with my analytic nature, I've begun to analyze my psyche and push it to new places. 

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[Działo, Christopher]

Let me clarify:

1. I am an alien life-form, in regards that I am no more alien to another civilization, as I am to them. The mind is capable of large amount of computation, only until recent times have I discovered to what degree how many distractions/stimuli we are presented with on a daily biases. 

2. They are not really voices, but sounds, electrical impulses, I often twitch when I am over-stimulated.

3. I am highly social, and even popular, I simply become mored with normal social interaction and choose to introverted.

4. I am not paranoid, but do become worried about my health, possible dangers, and the course of my life. People are very corrupt, and I simply must defend myself. I just take more precaution then others. Why would one call defense behavior paranoid?

5. I am highly emotional, much so, that I often suppress my emotional feelings, I want nothing more for humans to harmonize and connect to the universe.

I know I am not schizophrenic, and I am willing to accept that fact I'm more advanced, and process more information than others. I run into problems when I begin to explain my experiences to others, because people run to conclusions such as schizophrenia. Am I not justified to be a tad paranoid when people become ill, get shot, go to war, and otherwise find themselves in unacceptable conditions? Excuse me for trying to last long enough to experience events such as the Singularity or when I can experience a greater state of consciousness. 

[Ian Axelrod]

I have pmemory v1, as well. I would be interested in trying it with
you. I only have at most 1 1/2 hour to dedicate to it on the weekdays,
and I would have to shift my schedule so that I do more on the
weekends.

Do you have skype or some sort of conferencing software?

-Ian

[The.Fourth.Deviation.]

I can empathize completely with you. My mind does not work as fast as
yours does but i have come to similar conclusions about things. I
don't have as many emotional issues because of my mild autism. I
recommend learning to play a musical instrument. It helps take the
mind off of things better than any drug, as do cold showers, which
produce a chemical in the brain that all but prevents depression.

Funny what you say about being popular, yet preferring isolation. I'm
the same. I avoid people and reclusively study things. I don't
understand why you sleep instead of study. You could teach yourself
several skills like instruments, mathematics, cognitive psychology,
etc. clearly you yearn to know more about the nature of things, so why
dont you begin to teach yourself. What you describe are hallmarks of
very high IQ, why not exploit this and use your mind to teach yourself
things about the universe into which you have been thrust.

Sleeping all day is a waste of the mind you've been given. But you are
your mind, as are your thoughts. You seem to be an interesting fellow.
I am certain you must have some mild form of autism as well.
Hyperanalytical anti-social tendencies coupled with superior intellect
are some signs.

Take this test to determine if you have it. some 80% of individuals
who score 32 have some form of autism. You may be a high functioning
autistic, for example. I scored 28. average people average around 15
(females) -17 (males). engineers and mathematicians tend to score
around 20 mathemetically gifted people tend to score around 24, to
give you some context.

Also, Try the cello, it is therapeutic to hold in one's arms, and
difficult enough that it will give you years of challenge and great
enjoyment, and also rescue you from being swallowed by your mind. Feel
free to share more experiences, my own are rather similar and I enjoy
having a point of reference that I can compare with.

Also, what is your age? Men tend to reach intellectual maturity around
25, so you what you are experiencing could be your mind reaching peak
function. I experienced something similar.

[Działo, Christopher]

Yes, I use Skype. I have a membership we can both use. Lessons are expected to take 2 hours each, although several pmen users report after lesson 13, one can expect to spend 45mins to less than 2 hours to complete lessons, and there are 60 lessons.

[The.Fourth.Deviation.]

the above-mentioned, and above-nowhere, test:
http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/9.12/aqtest.html

On Jun 2, 4:30 pm, "The.Fourth.Deviation." <davidsky...@gmail.com>
wrote:

[Działo, Christopher]

Its pleaseant to speak with you, although I would like toefydpoyrp forgive my simplistic speech, rethoric has never been a strong suit of mine. I've played the clarinet for 5 years, the piano inconsistently for two, and the alto saxalhone for one. Im currently 20, and have had a great desire to further my education and remedy my life, I had an episiod of depression and PTSD from a negative psychedlic experience, which was really a realization that our current world is imperfect, illness is a problem, and most of the world is rather poor, yet these are things I must accept and move on with.

On the topic of autism, I would say that Im indeed autistic,%$3@  with the ability to hyper focus on a topic if my choosing and learn it fluently. However, Im unsure of the difference between high fuctioning and autism. Over the course or this year, I found myself to be more social due to forced interaction.

[The.Fourth.Deviation.]

high functioning means that you do not display all or many of the
hallmark deficiencies of autism (poor motor skills, etc) , but you
exhibit its strengths (hyper-focus, etc). Everyone's personal form of
autism is unique. The young mathematical genius, IQ 170, that has been
in the news as of late is a high functioning autistic. "Our" minds are
not well understood by others, but they are highly efficient. I would
suspect that part of your rapid development in relation to me has to
do with having studied music for such a long period of time. The music
study also explains your hyper-sensitivity to emotion. The mind you
have is similar to a ferrari: powerful under the hood, but you have to
know how to control it and not let it control you, because you will
hit a very unhappy wall if you do not learn to rein it in.

I would be doubly cautious about women. A poor relationship has the
ability to send a mind like yours into a downward spiral with could
lead to severe depression and suicide. But on the other hand, they are
excellent companions when on the same intellectual wavelength, and
help take you away from your thoughts before they engulf you. If you
don't want to try female companionship, social athletic activities are
nice because you dont need to make friends with the other players, and
you can leave once its finished. Try to develop new hobbies or goals
that you can apply your mind to.

The existential questions you face are due to your not applying your
intellect in a general direction, and hence it can only aim back at
itself. But this is dangerous, like putting a mirror in a microwave.
Introspection can be highly self-destructive. I encourage you to write
down your thoughts in a journal as well. This can be very therapeutic,
and apparently it is a great mental exercise, but it also takes the
edge off of introspection because you can put the thoughts on paper.

finally, a challenge: if your mind is so great, then you should be
able to come up with some fascinating inventions, discoveries, or
ideas. But your mind is great, so what are you waiting for exactly?
For example, why not try to organize a collaboration between different
charities who are not already partnered ( I am preparing to try and
arrange one between a charity that builds schools in Laos, and one
that builds kitchens in schools, note the symbiotic possibilities) .
Or If you are tired of physical and earthly things, study astronomy,
or mathematics. wikipedia can start you off and you can continue from
there.

These are just some of the things that I do.

On Jun 2, 5:10 pm, Działo, Christopher <chrisdzi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Its pleaseant to speak with you, although I would like toefydpoyrp forgive
> my simplistic speech, rethoric has never been a strong suit of mine. I've
> played the clarinet for 5 years, the piano inconsistently for two, and the
> alto saxalhone for one. Im currently 20, and have had a great desire to
> further my education and remedy my life, I had an episiod of depression and
> PTSD from a negative psychedlic experience, which was really a realization
> that our current world is imperfect, illness is a problem, and most of the
> world is rather poor, yet these are things I must accept and move on with.
>
> On the topic of autism, I would say that Im indeed autistic,%$3@  with the
> ability to hyper focus on a topic if my choosing and learn it fluently.
> However, Im unsure of the difference between high fuctioning and autism.
> Over the course or this year, I found myself to be more social due to forced
> interaction.

> On Jun 2, 2011 5:30 PM, "The.Fourth.Deviation." <davidsky...@gmail.com>

[Lil Peck]

2011/6/2 Działo, Christopher <chris...@gmail.com>:
> Let me clarify:

> People are very corrupt, and I simply
> must defend myself. I just take more precaution then others. Why would one
> call defense behavior paranoid?
>

Everyone is "corrupt" to some degree; points on a line. Or, if you
prefer, a venn diagram. The question becomes, is the defensive
behavior appropriate for one's specific circumstances? Does the
"defensive behavior" interfere with "normal," happy functioning?

> 5. I am highly emotional, much so, that I often suppress my emotional
> feelings, I want nothing more for humans to harmonize and connect to the
> universe.
>

I'll clue ya, we are "connected" to the universe whether constantly
cognizant of it or not. Short of joining a barber shop quartet,
"harmonizing" is much more complex. The best most of us can hope to do
is to make our own little corners of the world better, because no one
can change the world.

> I know I am not schizophrenic,
>

What harm would it do to consult a licensed psychiatrist? Ask your
general practitioner MD for a recommendation. All of the mental health
professionals I have met have been intelligent and caring
professionals. I chat with a therapist occasionally and enjoy it a
great deal because my therapist is a highly educated and philosophical
person.

> and I am willing to accept that fact I'm more
> advanced, and process more information than others.
>

Sorry, you're not that special. If you do think you're that special,
that may be a symptom of psychosis (or perhaps narcissism).

> I run into problems when
> I begin to explain my experiences to others, because people run to
> conclusions such as schizophrenia.
>

It is a good thing to get checked out now. IF you have schizophrenia
or other psychosis, better to get checked out now rather than wait
until you're living in a cardboard box on the street and are too
psychotic to seek help. There could also be a physical cause of your
symptoms (not that psychosis isn't physical), something that can be
corrected with surgery or medical intervention.

>Am I not justified to be a tad paranoid
> when people become ill, get shot, go to war, and otherwise
> find themselves in unacceptable conditions?

.In my opinion, paranoia in that context is irrational. Paranoia
doesn't fix or improve anything.

>Excuse me for trying to last
> long enough to experience events such as the Singularity or when I can
> experience a greater state of consciousness.
>

There are several definitions of "singularity." The context in which
you use it seems be synonymous with "nirvana." As I understand it,
Nirvana is/includes freedom from paranoia, worry, cares, etc. The
practice of Zen Buddhism is a time-honored method of achievement.

Best wishes to you.

[Brizor93]

You know what? I also happen to have the first version of Pmemory;
although, never had the chance to get started with it. Having said
that, I think that partnering up in order to complete the course isn't
that bad of an idea.
You may count me in as well.

[The.Fourth.Deviation.]

On Jun 2, 3:55 pm, Lil Peck <lilp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 2011/6/2 Działo, Christopher <chrisdzi...@gmail.com>:> Let me clarify:

> > and I am willing to accept that fact I'm more
> > advanced, and process more information than others.
>
> Sorry, you're not that special. If you do think you're that special,
> that may be a symptom of psychosis (or perhaps narcissism).

Intellectual narcissism is correlated with higher IQ, not psychosis.
If you're going to give pure opinions, let them be informed by science
and not your personal ideas and philosophies, because they seem off.

The other things mentioned may be about "psychosis", mild to moderate,
but it would be unfortunate for a shrink to try and drug him up just
for having advanced cognition.

[Ian]

If you want to do this pmemory course, send me an e-mail with your
skype.

-Ian

[Brizor93]

I don't have a Skype account. Would it be possible to go with another
alternative?

[Lil Peck]

On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 7:05 PM, The.Fourth.Deviation.
<david...@gmail.com> wrote:
>  Intellectual narcissism is correlated with higher IQ, not psychosis.
>

Bipolar psychosis may bring on what would appear to be "intellectual
narcissism." However, I would be interested to see the evidence for
your statement?

> If you're going to give pure opinions, let them be informed by science
> and not your personal ideas and philosophies, because they seem off.
>

Opinions are fine with me.

> The other things mentioned may be about "psychosis", mild to moderate,
> but it would be unfortunate for a shrink to try and drug him up just
> for having advanced cognition.
>

To assume that a psychiatrist will "drug him up" is a stereotyped
notion. I have a cousin and a friend who are schizophrenics. One does
very well on medication, and has a very social, creative lifestyle.
The other has not been successful in finding a medication that allows
her to retain her creativity, so she lives unmedicated but in a group
home where there are people on hand to assist her when she is not
well.

Furthermore, our group member here may not be schizophrenic at all.
Our member may simply be idiosyncratic or exceptionally imaginative or
sensitive, or perhaps under unusual stress.

[Mike L.]

Well, in all honesty his claims seem pretty plausible. I, for one,
with a year's worth of DNB training have acquired the synesthetic
ability to "feel" words, numbers, sentences, paragraphs, and entire
books which has in turn allowed me to in a somewhat freakish manner
remember almost everything I come in contact with; I suppose this is
why I found the Phenomenal Memory Course so interesting, because it
seems to make light of this phenomena in a manageable way (whereas for
me it's not usually something I can command at will, it just happens
when intensely focused on something).

I figure brains that focus intensely on something, or minds that do
deep analysis where the synthesis of an overwhelming amount of
information is necessary gain this ability to expedite the transfer
and flow of information into forms that are more inherently familiar
to the brain (those things which the senses feel).



On Jun 2, 8:48 pm, Lil Peck <lilp...@gmail.com> wrote:

[lil...@gmail.com]

It might be interesting to have a study of how different personality types (meyers-briggs) respond to the training after various time periods.

Your experience looks very interesting.

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[The.Fourth.Deviation.]

This person should study the wikipedia article on John Nash, the
mathematical genius, and observe any similarities in his intellectual
health. They may be informative.

On Jun 2, 7:48 pm, Lil Peck <lilp...@gmail.com> wrote:

[lil...@gmail.com]

I have read the book "a beautiful mind" as well as biographies of Murray Gell-Mann (brilliant, narcissistic) and Richard Feynmann (less narcissistic but brilliant--iq in high school was 120 which shows the unreliability of iq tests).

I know there is anecdotal evidence that links bipolar mania with creativity (as with van Gogh).

I recall hearing of one study that showed that most persons over-estimate their own intelligence.

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[The.Fourth.Deviation.]

This person is not overestimating his intelligence. Besides the
mental health problems, this person displays the profile of a
profoundly gifted individual, which there are few of. a general lack
of understanding of these people contributes to misinterpretation of
their characteristics.

PS, to the original poster, I know a person on facebook who takes
interest in individuals like you. His name is michael ferguson and he
closely studies gifted individuals. He has helped me, maybe his
answers can help you as well.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000224775883 is his
facebook page.

[arrested development]

@MikeL, How many minutes per day do you do dual n-back? What is your
routine/process/n-back levels?

@OP: You're either experiencing some sort of psychotic episode, or
profoundly gifted, or, a combination of both. Step 1) You should get
an IQ test done. Step 2) If you have a 190 IQ then become the next
terrance tao, if you don't, go see a cognitive psychologist to see
what could possibly be the matter.

[Pontus Granström]

Just a quick reply to you, there's P90X plus program available (saw it today).

2011/6/2 Działo, Christopher <chris...@gmail.com>

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[Mike L.]

Arrested Development: I N-back on average an hour a day (30 sessions
at n-10)

Because of my summer break, my time allows me to do quite a bit. My
routine consists of including the following tasks in my every day:

Meditation (mindfulness/vipassana)
Running (at least 30 minutes a day)
DNB
Image Streaming (for 30-40 minutes)
Listening to iMusic [brainwave entrainment] (usually for 40 minutes or
so)
Learning from P-memory (a Lesson a day)

..that's about it. I'm thinking of taking neurotropics some time in
the near future (probably ceretrophin)

[whoisbambam]

phosphatidlyserine and alpha gpc OR cdp-choline may be superior and
more cost effective (ie smartpowders for the latter two)


just my opinion, of course........i realize they have a positive
study.

[Ian]

This is D10B or P10B?

My routine is almost the same as yours... I just do not use PMemory
(though I have the lessons) nor Image streaming. Can you explain to me
more about image streaming and how it has benefited you? Is there any
hard evidence that it benefits people?

What about pmemory?

What brainwave entrainment tracks do you listen to? I listen to high-
end beta, and then theta for my meditation. Any suggestions?

[The.Fourth.Deviation.]

Probably one of the best responses so far. By the way, Tao was
austistic as well, and a musician, same traits as the OP. These traits
seem to crop up a lot, e.g. einstein.

[Aman Idle]

I scored 26, wtf lol, am i autistic?

[Aman Idle]

i scored 26 you know. I have no history of autism. What does this mean?

[Lil Peck]

On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 1:39 AM, Aman Idle <aman...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> I scored 26, wtf lol, am i autistic?
>

Perhaps you are mildly Aspergian. My score was 18.

[Działo, Christopher]

I scored 29 on the AP test. I would affirm that I have some form of autism, I've been improving my poor motor skills, verbalizing has always been troublesome as what I say is never akin to the true nature of my thoughts, although one must continue to improve if they are to see results. I've found myself in additional social situations and have begun to enjoy the splendors of social interaction, but subjects can become a bore at times, and it has improved my general cognition. It's a delightful to see myself from a myriad of perspectives and developmental outcomes. However, when I am socializing with people, I'd prefer not to make eye contact as people employ various social diversion 

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[The.Fourth.Deviation.]

This reminds me of a quote "Patient has no history of suicide"..
(think about that for a second).
Study what it means to be autistic and you will probably notice at
least some patterns in your behavior that are concomitant with it.
Otherwise you might look into Nonverbal learning disorder, (only if
you had trouble with math but excelled in language based tasks) which
is basically a form of autism. The OPs form is basically your textbook
autistic savant profile (high skill in particular area, low motor
skills, inability to make eye contact).

You may have high functioning autism, which means you don't suffer any
of these deficiencies, but still have traits that would characterize
you as mildly autistic. High functioning means it would be difficult
to spot, because you may never show any easily noticed signs of
disabilities.
Another name for HFA is aspergers (the two have virtually no
differences, yet both terms exist due to squabbles over
technicalities), so the other poster's suggestion that you are
"aspergian" is not far off.

Autism has to do with brain chemistry. Many of the greatest minds to
have ever lived were autistic. It confers a high degree of focus and
intellectual ability that normal people cannot achieve.

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[The.Fourth.Deviation.]

dzialo

have you noticed that you excel in any particular fields? do you have
some natural gifts? math, for example? You may try to pursue work in
those areas, or private study, which can give great enjoyment and self-
esteem.

On Jun 4, 8:13 am, Działo, Christopher <chrisdzi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I scored 29 on the AP test. I would affirm that I have some form of autism,
> I've been improving my poor motor skills, verbalizing has always been
> troublesome as what I say is never akin to the true nature of my thoughts,
> although one must continue to improve if they are to see results. I've found
> myself in additional social situations and have begun to enjoy
> the splendors of social interaction, but subjects can become a bore
> at times, and it has improved my general cognition. It's a delightful to see
> myself from a myriad of perspectives and developmental outcomes. However,
> when I am socializing with people, I'd prefer not to make eye contact as
> people employ various social diversion
>
>
>

> On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 7:02 AM, Lil Peck <lilp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 1:39 AM, Aman Idle <aman.i...@googlemail.com>

> > wrote:
> > > I scored 26, wtf lol, am i autistic?
>
> > Perhaps you are mildly Aspergian. My score was 18.
>
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[Działo, Christopher]

I excel in math, music, finance, and marketing. I'm currently the youngest Google AdWords Professional, Stockbroker, and currently work at a Law and Financial Firm. 

Mental math has always been fun, I enjoy learning about words, and language has always been a delight to learn about. I prefer not to make eye contact, can become hyper-focused on any topic that I choose, this happens when I left my obsessive tendencies run loose.

[Aman Idle]

i love studying and analyzing  peoples behavior, actions, thoughts, movements body language, speech, anything to do with people, which i am so obsessed over. I'm a voyeur i guess. I should have done psychology and not information systems lol.

2011/6/5 Działo, Christopher <chris...@gmail.com>

[praetorius]

For anyone doing pmemory right know or is planning to do so - I'd like
to participate. Just drop me a line.

[Działo, Christopher]

It is not to late to join. I have yet to arrange everything, but it appears we have a total group of 5 people at be moment including myself. Alexander has expressed interest in P90X, and would be most excited if anyone else would also like to concurrently complete both programs.

On Jun 5, 2011 6:05 AM, "praetorius" <joerg.s...@gmail.com> wrote:

[praetorius]

Great! I'll have a look at P90X - actually I'm looking for a suited
home-training regime for a long time. Maybe that's it. Thanks for the
info.

> On Jun 5, 2011 6:05 AM, "praetorius" <joerg.schwa...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Działo, Christopher]

Do you have a physical copy? You can always torrent a copy from whatever trackers you're a member from, private or public.

[Thomas Johnson]

Guys, just a warning on P90X. I have yet to find anyone who has completed the whole program, and nearly every one of my male friends has tried it.

It's a great workout, don't get me wrong. The problem is that while the workouts themselves are 1-1.5 hours each, you actually have to budget about 2-2.5 hours since you're totally and completely exhausted afterwards if you're giving it your all. And that's about 6 days/week if I remember right.

I'm not saying don't do it, I just recommend blocking out way more time on your schedule than just the length of the workouts themselves.

2011/6/5 Działo, Christopher <chris...@gmail.com>

[Millicent Bliesener]

Hi, Christopher! Do you mind me asking how old you are? For the
people who suffer from schizophrenia, the 'hearing voices' part
usually sets in before age 30. Also, are you using any . . . <ahem> .
. . pharmaceuticals? Obviously, hallucinogens can cause this, but
what a lot of people don't realize is that pot users have a 40%
increase in their likelihood to develop such symptoms. See, I'm
wondering if you have two things happening at once. I'm wondering if
the N-back is helping with the memory, etc, but if there might also be
other things happening concurrently, with different causal influences.

I know you said you don't agree with mental health as a practice, and
that's exactly the practice I come from in this reply, so we might not
see altogether eye-to-eye on some things. But here goes anyway.
Everybody has an occasional hallucination, and the ones we have when
we're just waking up don't even count as being a hallucination. There
are some non-medical ways to help them. Silly as this sounds, what
are you doing when they're least bad? Is there anything you can to do
that makes them less severe? Keep track of what these things are. I
had a client who realized that his voices were least bad when he was
doing other stuff involving words, like reading or listening to a
lecture. So we put that into his daily schedule.

Some common things are eating a healthy diet without a lot of
processed sugar, getting regular sleep and exercise, maintaining a
routine, having any physical health issues treated, scheduling any
out-of-the ordinary things (to the extent that you can), etc. If the
voices get severe, or if you start to believe things that don't make
logical sense, it's time to see a doctor. "Severe" might mean that
they never go away, or that they're too loud for you to sleep, or that
they're telling a) that you're worthless, or b) that you need to kill
yourself or somebody else . . . OR if you believe the voices come from
either God or Satan. (They don't.) If this is anything along the
lines of schizophrenia or schizoaffective disorder, these illnesses
are progressive and they can completely take over someone's life if
they go untreated for too long. I've known perfectly decent people
with this disorder who've either been institutionalized for life or
who have killed people when they weren't on their meds. At its worse,
this isn't something to mess with. However, I've also known people
who discuss that the voices didn't bother them much, and who stayed
with all the behavioral health interventions and who led pretty normal
lives despite the symptoms.

Oh - and to the extent that you can, ignore the voices. Continue to
live your life and to be around people.

Millicent

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[Millicent Bliesener]

I have a friend who's a trainer for P90-X. The woman is a machine.
Sheer muscle, and she can engage in a physical activity such as rowing
and literally go all day.

Don't get me wrong, I think she's insane for that. ;-)

Millicent

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What he's describing is more along the lines of mild psychosis. (I
hate that word, it sounds incredibly harsh.) This is sheerly physical
in nature. It's not a character flaw, it's a chemical imbalance and
it's treatable. It also doesn't mean that a person is less
intelligent than someone without it.

I'd definitely look into behavioral ways to work with this first, as
the meds used for it can mess with your memory.

Millicent

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[Millicent Bliesener]

Yeah, mania definitely boosts creativity. I haven't known too many
bi-polar people who dislike being manic (while they're actually in it,
at least), but they burn off all their energy during that phase, and
they definitely hate the crash that follows the mania. They also hate
cleaning up all the problems they created while they were manic, since
their brains don't have brakes during that phase. Too much shopping,
too much sex with the wrong people, too many drugs, etc, etc.

Millicent

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[Działo, Christopher]

I said the 'voices' are more of a white-noise type sound, electrical impulses. I don't hear voices nor commands from them, I twitch when I am over-stimulated, and often hear words when reading or typing. I get this rush of activity when I begin to focus on anything, and it appears my current way of explaining my phenomenal experiences isnt accurate enough.

[Millicent Bliesener]

Actually, I was thinking back to a client I once had who would hear
music when stressed. Actually HEAR it, not just have an earworm.
That person didn't need meds :-) but it was still diagnosed and it was
treated with behavioral methods.

Millicent

2011/6/5 Działo, Christopher <chris...@gmail.com>:

[Transcendance]

I am interested as well! Though, I do not have the course...anyone
willing to share? As for P90X, I gather it is a sort of physical
exercise training? If so, I will also want to take part in that; I
need to get in shape.

> On Jun 5, 2011 6:05 AM, "praetorius" <joerg.schwa...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Transcendance]

I scored 25. Not really surprising seeing that I have always loved
mathematics and excelled in all things related to it. However, social
situations don't bother me and sometimes I look forward to social
gatherings, especially with close friends, a definite relief from
stress.

On Jun 3, 5:34 am, "The.Fourth.Deviation." <davidsky...@gmail.com>

[Działo, Christopher]

I have copies of version 1.0, and have a membership to Pmemory.com. You can torrent/download P90X from your favorite tracker.

Here are before and after pictures of my marketing friend of who completed the program; desirable effects showed after 1 month of training. [http://bodyspace.bodybuilding.com/icetraxx/more.php?section=progresspics] Due to my morphology and racial influences, it seems I obtain physical results quickly with appropriate work and motivation.

I suggested n-backing, but he had little interest.

[K Smith]

I'm restarting pmemory in the next few weeks. I was making good progress and made it to lesson 14/15, then I had to go away for a week due to work and for some reason didn't take it up again after that. I think the primary issue I had was motivation. In the forum there's some info on how to stay motivated whilst doing pmem. I'm going to be adhering to that advice and doing the exercises so I don't lose interest again. 

After the initial 12 lessons, it becomes a lot more fun, and easier, as the exercises become more 'real world' and aren't just boring drills. If you do give up, make sure it's not during the first 12 lessons, as they aren't a true representation of what pmem is. The thing I've found is, everyone finds the first 12 lessons hard; they are supposed to be hard and are made to push your mind to the limits in preparation for the later lessons. Most peoples' minds just don't work in the way that you are making it work in the course. It will get easier, and, it will become second nature if you stick at it!!! It started to happen to me at lesson 13.

It's also really important to do exactly as they say, so you don't pick up bad habits that can impact performance later on in the course. For example, thinking of an image and fixing it to another and moving on in 5 seconds, whether you do it correctly or not, is really important. Thinking of the image large, colourful and in 3d is also very important. When I initially started the course, I would take as long as it felt right to fix two images, which was upto 10 seconds+. This is completely wrong and doesn't do your progression any good as lessons take upto 3-4 hours. If lessons take you considerably longer than 2 hours, you should contact someone so they can help you out and help you rectify any issues you maybe having.

I'm in contact with graduates that can sit there and take notes of lectures in their head without even trying - it's become second nature. These guys, as long as they attend lectures, don't even have to study. It makes learning trivial.

I'm 100% ready to go again with this course and would like to be in contact with others who are also doing it/ready to do it.

Contact me directly.

[The.Fourth.Deviation.]

P90X is a phenomenal program. I used to train twice per day in
college, P90X in the evening and some other routine in the morning.

On Jun 6, 6:31 am, Działo, Christopher <chrisdzi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I have copies of version 1.0, and have a membership to Pmemory.com. You can
> torrent/download P90X from your favorite tracker.
>
> Here are before and after pictures of my marketing friend of who completed
> the program; desirable effects showed after 1 month of training. [http://bodyspace.bodybuilding.com/icetraxx/more.php?section=progresspics] Due
> to my morphology and racial influences, it seems I obtain physical results
> quickly with appropriate work and motivation.
>
> I suggested n-backing, but he had little interest.
>

> On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 7:13 AM, Transcendance <limyile.g...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>
>
> > I am interested as well! Though, I do not have the course...anyone
> > willing to share? As for P90X, I gather it is a sort of physical
> > exercise training? If so, I will also want to take part in that; I
> > need to get in shape.
>
> > On Jun 6, 4:07 am, Działo, Christopher <chrisdzi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > It is not to late to join. I have yet to arrange everything, but it
> > appears
> > > we have a total group of 5 people at be moment including myself.
> > Alexander
> > > has expressed interest in P90X, and would be most excited if anyone else
> > > would also like to concurrently complete both programs.
> > > On Jun 5, 2011 6:05 AM, "praetorius" <joerg.schwa...@gmail.com> wrote:
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I'm glad you responded Karl, I was hoping that you would continue; even if not with us, with the program as you completed nearly 25% of the course.

I suppose we could wait another day or so for any other members that care to join before proceeding.

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[K Smith]

I can't believe that I actually gave up at the point that I did, as I had made it passed the boring lessons and was onto the more exciting material.

I'm going to put some notes together for people so they can hopefully make a head-start and not make the mistakes I was making.

I'm definitely up for restarting with you guys, as I think studying pmem as a group holds the best chance of success.

I'm looking forward to it!

2011/6/6 Działo, Christopher <chris...@gmail.com>

[The.Fourth.Deviation.]

Maybe I will try it

But why should one do this? Does it radically affect outlook and
cognition? Or is it simply a bunch of mnemonic tricks? DO people who
train this course find these very beneficial in practice/day-to-day
application?

[K Smith]

I'm done trying to convince people of how good this course is.

Watch some of the videos.

http://www.pmemory.com/super-memory-demonstration/

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[Thomas Johnson]

I think the question is more about how impactful the skills are on a day-to-day basis. If it takes you 10 seconds to memorize a piece of information versus 10 seconds to write the information down in a notepad or google it, does it really matter if you have an amazing memory?

[Zaraki]

That's video is amazing provided it is true. I am naturally skeptical
to any information coming from someone who is trying to sell me
something though.

Anyways, I got the software, so I might as well try it with you guys.

On Jun 6, 10:02 pm, K Smith <defc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm done trying to convince people of how good this course is.
>
> Watch some of the videos.
>
> http://www.pmemory.com/super-memory-demonstration/
>

[Działo, Christopher]

Personally, I look forward to the completion of the course and will make learning and work much easier. As a broker, I use financial news, stock prices, and political updates in my decision making. Memorizing articles, peoples names, company names, contact information, and the application of social engineering is phenomenal. Pmem is more then a collection of nmenomic techniques, it's a complete system that will last a lifetime.

The speed of memorizing will increase with practice, and if I remember correctly, some can form associations/links in as little as 2 seconds. The application in school, for example, learning chemical names, nomenclature, chemical properties. equations, gene numbers, sequences. CAS numbers, language, vocabulary, whatever is applicable to your field of study, work, or interest, is rather profound, and one could even use their 'genius' gifts in making friends, impressing others, or adding additional value to systems. I can hardly remember the last place I placed my cell phone and shoes if I don't take conscious effort to remember where things are, once pmem becomes automatic and move to subconscious processes will enable me to enjoy life with greater ease. I would rather spend my time elsewhere than spending hours studying at University, when I can spend my time that produce more favorable returns.

However, I understand there is more to learning and conceptual understanding than mindlessly memorizing information, but it enables one to store information and have it for immediate access for information synthesis, conversation, and global understanding of theory. With the current developments of the world and the ever increasing consolidation of wealth within the world, I'm making all efforts to increase my ability to generate wealth for the coming future and the possible event of the Singularity, I'm willing to do anything to find myself in a favorable position if such times arise. 

[Knoa]

Ah! I'd like to join. I've been aware of Pmem as long as I've been
aware of DNB(highschool), but had neither funds nor motivation to do
both--this is an excellent opportunity.

On Jun 6, 7:31 am, Działo, Christopher <chrisdzi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I have copies of version 1.0, and have a membership to Pmemory.com. You can
> torrent/download P90X from your favorite tracker.
>
> Here are before and after pictures of my marketing friend of who completed
> the program; desirable effects showed after 1 month of training. [http://bodyspace.bodybuilding.com/icetraxx/more.php?section=progresspics] Due
> to my morphology and racial influences, it seems I obtain physical results
> quickly with appropriate work and motivation.
>
> I suggested n-backing, but he had little interest.
>

[Arky]

If there's a slot left, I'd love to join. Are there any major
differences between the latest version and the 1.0 program and manual?

> <thomas.j.john...@gmail.com>wrote:

>
>
>
> > I think the question is more about how impactful the skills are on a
> > day-to-day basis. If it takes you 10 seconds to memorize a piece of
> > information versus 10 seconds to write the information down in a notepad or
> > google it, does it really matter if you have an amazing memory?
>

> > On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 3:02 PM, K Smith <defc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> I'm done trying to convince people of how good this course is.
>
> >> Watch some of the videos.
>
> >>http://www.pmemory.com/super-memory-demonstration/
>

[Millicent Bliesener]

I'm interested - is there a way for me to do this without being spendy?

Millicent

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[praetorius]

Just search for "phenomenal memory" at filestube.com or torrentz.eu
exempli gratia. Most likely you'll find a downloadable version there.

> > For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/brain-training?hl=en.

[Działo, Christopher]

Have you obtained a copy of version 1.0? I can send you a copy of the lessons and GMS Manual.

[Francisco José Castillo Castillo]

No, I don't have another version, just I started with the version described on my previous email. But's that's great to get all the versions possible and complete from the beginning.

Regards.

2011/6/8 Działo, Christopher <chris...@gmail.com>

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[Działo, Christopher]

Would you be interested in joining? I can send you a copy of version 1.0.

[praetorius]

Can you shortly outline how this joint venture will be organized? For
instance what will be our means of communication (google-chat/Skype/
group/{0,1}/...^^) in order to exchange ourselves etc.?

On 8 Jun., 22:57, Działo, Christopher <chrisdzi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Would you be interested in joining? I can send you a copy of version 1.0.
>
> On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 4:06 PM, Francisco José Castillo Castillo <
>
>
>
> jose.castillo.casti...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > No, I don't have another version, just I started with the version described
> > on my previous email. But's that's great to get all the versions possible
> > and complete from the beginning.
>
> > Regards.
>

> > 2011/6/8 Działo, Christopher <chrisdzi...@gmail.com>

>
> >>  Have you obtained a copy of version 1.0? I can send you a copy of the
> >> lessons and GMS Manual.
>

> >> On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 11:10 PM, Millicent Bliesener <mensam...@gmail.com

> >> > wrote:
>
> >>> I'm interested - is there a way for me to do this without being spendy?
>
> >>> Millicent
>

> >>> On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 5:21 PM, Arky <kenneth.bruskiew...@gmail.com>

[S K]

Chris

Research Bipolar Disorder. Manic Phase can exist without the Depressive Phase in some individuals or at least the onset of Depressive Phase after the Manic Phase may be delayed by a few years. Manic Phase can exist in some without the depressive phase for at least a few years.

Manic Phase while its not too excessive, will grant the person abilities beyond the normal, but once the Mania increases, these abilities crumble due to inability to concentrate due to the sheer speed of mind.

Do see a psychiatrist....take the Bipolar Tests (not medical tests...just Q&A & cognitive)....research the subject and decide what you want to do.

Read inline below...

Best of Luck.

SK.

2011/6/2 Działo, Christopher <chris...@gmail.com>

 it appears that I'm tapping into some subconscious abilities and/or gaining more control over my mind. I'm thinking more quickly, solving problems in new ways, approaching social encounters from different angles, noticing subconscious activity and desires via facial expressions, body languages, and often double meaning in language, it's quite apparent.

Mania increases capability before it increases too much.

 

 My mental health is increasing, and viewing myself in a positive light has become easier after realizing that a large percent of the population is actually quite stupid.

Mania patients often have increased self-image...think they are better....some times they are..though most times they are not

 

My thinking patters tend to be a tad disorganized/chaotic,

One of most important markers of mania.

 

and I'm not sure of this is the cause of my ability to make unusual connections, as I find myself bouncing around in my mind at times,

thoughts bouncing around in mind too is an important marker.

 

and I apparently speak too quick for others to understand which limits my ability to communicate with others,

speaking too quickly...or replying before the other has completed his sentence...interrupting too often is a very important marker of mania.

 

so my verbal fluency is in need of assistance, and over the years, I've become highly introverted, holding only one real-friend at any even point in time. 

common in manic people

 

An additional comments I would like to make as that I'm beginning to hear sounds/voices in my head;

incoherent murmurs and white noises 

Signs of a manic person with extremely mild schizophrenia.

 

 Now, I thought about schizophrenia, but by social standards, I've always been a tad off, and would suffer from anxiety, paranoia, and panic attacks, and I've never agreed with the practices/standards of psychiatry. I become overwhelmed with the thoughts of the singularity, life, and the fractal nature of life, and from my observations of human psychology, it appears most people are insane.

Schizophrenia does not seem the correct diagnosis for you....Mania with a mild schizophrenic co-morbidity does 

Can anyone feel new neural pathways actually forming? I've had an increase in headaches and which feels like more bran activity in general. I'm beginning to take in more visual information, and analyze the actions of more than one person when I am in a social group and can begin to map out relations by the words and way people position themselves. At times I will hear mathematics when I read or begin to solve problems, and back away -- when I read, I begin to look past the words the author is saying and begin to internalize the way he thinkings and at times can predict where his thoughts are going, and notice most people are highly repetitive. I've noted odd and crazy cyclic patters in thought, and see how obsessive disorders and certain thought patterns arise from.

There is very fine line between mania and genius....Whatever Doctors say..mania does grant higher abilities....until degradation kicks in...and the meds in order to stem mania do stamp out the emotional/intelligence/cognitive ability of the patient, so in my opinion its just a matter of allowing either the disease or the cure to destroy the mind partially. Of course the disease destroys the person if allowed to get out of hand...the meds on the other hand allow the person to exist with lesser emotional & cognitive intelligence....in other words they make one  stupid while the disease makes one mad.

[mustafa]

Although I have the pmemory material, I won't be able to partake in
this course with you guys. At midway and the end of the course could
you guys keep us informed as to how challenging the course is and if
you are really benefiting from the course?

>
> I suggested n-backing, but he had little interest.
>

[Działo, Christopher]

What is the reason why?

[Millicent Bliesener]

Could you please send this to me as well? Thanks!

2011/6/8 Działo, Christopher <chris...@gmail.com>:

[Millicent Bliesener]

The mania in itself is a form of psychosis, and the reasons people
crash into severe depression after a manic phase is because they've
burned off all their energy at once. Bipolar has severe shifts in
energy levels. People usually **love** their manic phase till the
party's over and the bill is due. (Happy Happy Joy Joy . . . ) Mild
schizophrenia has auditory hallucinations or delusions in the absence
of mood disturbance. (As in, there's no mania and no severe
depression, which can also cause this shift.) But the meds to treat
mania and to treat schizophrenia are the same. (Not so with the
depression w/ psychotic features.)

Whatever's going on, you don't want the meds. Not unless this messes
with your life to the extent that you're losing people, jobs, hurting
yourself or someone else, etc. Then you have little to lose. Unless
that point hits, I'd suggest going with behavioral interventions,
because although both mania and schizophrenia are entirely physical in
their roots, the cognitive-behavioral stuff helps. The meds can cause
impotence (but not a lack of drive) and difficulty with memory.

There are books available that discuss the skills that people can use
to deal with this. It sounds like it's pretty mild right now, which
is a good time to read up and get some skills to help.

Ok, and now I'm taking off my mental health clinician hat. Back to
business as usual. :-)

Millicent

[Działo, Christopher]

Sent.

[Millicent Bliesener]

Thank you very much! I just did the first exercise. Very
interesting. I initially started trying to visually memorize the
material, but I hadn't read all the information, so I needed to go
back and do it again the right way. Oops. Note to self - read ALL
the instructions first! I like that they're looking at learning new
memorization techniques over just knowing the material. This stuff
should be taught in school. I wonder how many students attempt things
in school but have never been taught how to learn?

Millicent

2011/6/9 Działo, Christopher <chris...@gmail.com>:

[Działo, Christopher]

Once I discovered a system such as Phenomenal Memory, and once completed, the ease it enables individuals to memorize information makes me feel that I wasted years in school. I'm still learning at the moment, but without having Phenomenal Memory, I'd rather not even seriously learn something as I know it can be completed much faster with Pheomenal Memory. I'm very excited to start the course with all interested members in the coming 1-2 days.

Everyone shall begin, if they choose, by reading the GMS manual, which I have read myself. I would recommend skimming it, and reading the beginning parts of it to show you how the system uses associations and the mechanisms of memory.

[mustafa]

This summer I really want to focus on increasing my auditory and
visual digit spans, and I'll be focusing on doing only digit span
increasing exercises this summer for the most part. The goal I have
set for myself is very difficult and time consuming, but I believe I
can pull it off if I push myself this summer.

[Działo, Christopher]

You could use Pmem to ease your way through digit span tests by chaining the numbers quickly enough, reading them in forward and reverse order.

[Millicent Bliesener]

Ever see the episode of Malcolm in the Middle where the mom goes out
drinking with her friend and they get busted by the cops? The friend
rattles off the alphabet backwards at lightning speed.

Maybe you had to be there. It was funny at the time. :-p

Millicent

2011/6/9 Działo, Christopher <chris...@gmail.com>:

--

[mustafa]

Chris you're right about this. I could easily recall 50 digits or more
if I use Pmemory, but I won't. A quick aside, the current champion at
the digit span has been able to recall 252 digits! The digit span is a
measure of an individual's ability to process pieces of information.
When the individual does the digit span task in the correct way it
reflects his visual and auditory processing ability. We've discussed
this expansively concerning dual n-back on this forum. There were some
people who argued for the intuitive method and some for the chunking
method, when the debate was coming to a conclusion, most people chose
the intuitive method as the way to best benefit from dual n-back. When
you chunk you reduce the pieces of information you are holding. So
someone who holds a 6 digit number in the head by remembering 2 chunks
of the numbers is not holding the same amount of information compared
to someone who remembers the 6 digit number without any chunking or
mnemonic device. I've also researched the digit span task and the
people I've read say that digit span can increased, often
significantly, however, when practicing the task one should use the
intuitive method in order to increase digit span. If you have more
questions please feel free to ask.

[Nikhil]

Hi,

Could you send me a copy too?

Regards,
Nikhil

On Jun 8, 2:57 pm, Działo, Christopher <chrisdzi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Would you be interested in joining? I can send you a copy of version 1.0.
>

> On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 4:06 PM, Francisco José Castillo Castillo <jose.castillo.casti...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > No, I don't have another version, just I started with the version described
> > on my previous email. But's that's great to get all the versions possible
> > and complete from the beginning.
>
> > Regards.
>

> > 2011/6/8 Działo, Christopher <chrisdzi...@gmail.com>

>
> >>  Have you obtained a copy of version 1.0? I can send you a copy of the
> >> lessons and GMS Manual.
>

> >> On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 11:10 PM, Millicent Bliesener <mensam...@gmail.com

> >> > wrote:
>
> >>> I'm interested - is there a way for me to do this without being spendy?
>
> >>> Millicent
>

> >>> On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 5:21 PM, Arky <kenneth.bruskiew...@gmail.com>

[Gyuri]

I am also interested to join to the Pmem group... although I am not
sure yet that I will have enough time to do through the course, if its
not too late join, please add me to the list.

About the "hearing voices" symptom: schizoid or autistic symptoms can
be a consequence of gastrointestinal problems. This area is completely
new for the traditional western medicine, so most of the psychiatrist
are not aware of it yet, however if some of you are interested in this
topic, read the book GAP syndrome (Gut and Psychology Syndrome).

[Transcendance]

Can you send me a copy of the course please?

On Jun 9, 11:14 pm, Działo, Christopher <chrisdzi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Once I discovered a system such as Phenomenal Memory, and once completed,
> the ease it enables individuals to memorize information makes me feel that I
> wasted years in school. I'm still learning at the moment, but without having
> Phenomenal Memory, I'd rather not even seriously learn something as I know
> it can be completed much faster with Pheomenal Memory. I'm very excited to
> start the course with all interested members in the coming 1-2 days.
>
> Everyone shall begin, if they choose, by reading the GMS manual, which I
> have read myself. I would recommend skimming it, and reading the beginning
> parts of it to show you how the system uses associations and
> the mechanisms of memory.
>

> On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 10:50 AM, Millicent Bliesener <mensam...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Thank you very much! I just did the first exercise. Very
> > interesting. I initially started trying to visually memorize the
> > material, but I hadn't read all the information, so I needed to go
> > back and do it again the right way. Oops. Note to self - read ALL
> > the instructions first! I like that they're looking at learning new
> > memorization techniques over just knowing the material. This stuff
> > should be taught in school. I wonder how many students attempt things
> > in school but have never been taught how to learn?
>
> > Millicent
>

> > 2011/6/9 Działo, Christopher <chrisdzi...@gmail.com>:
> > > Sent.
>
> > > On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 9:01 AM, Millicent Bliesener <mensam...@gmail.com

>
> > > wrote:
>
> > >> Could you please send this to me as well? Thanks!
>

> > >> 2011/6/8 Działo, Christopher <chrisdzi...@gmail.com>:

> > >> > Would you be interested in joining? I can send you a copy of version
> > >> > 1.0.
>
> > >> > On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 4:06 PM, Francisco José Castillo Castillo
> > >> > <jose.castillo.casti...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >> >> No, I don't have another version, just I started with the version
> > >> >> described on my previous email. But's that's great to get all the
> > >> >> versions
> > >> >> possible and complete from the beginning.
> > >> >> Regards.
>

> > >> >> 2011/6/8 Działo, Christopher <chrisdzi...@gmail.com>

>
> > >> >>> Have you obtained a copy of version 1.0? I can send you a copy of
> > the
> > >> >>> lessons and GMS Manual.
> > >> >>> On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 11:10 PM, Millicent Bliesener
> > >> >>> <mensam...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >> >>>> I'm interested - is there a way for me to do this without being
> > >> >>>> spendy?
>
> > >> >>>> Millicent
>
> > >> >>>> On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 5:21 PM, Arky <

> > kenneth.bruskiew...@gmail.com>

> ...
>
> read more >>

[Działo, Christopher]

There arent any major differences besides a few example changes and the added benefit of tutors for those who require assistance while working through the course.

[Działo, Christopher]

Yes, there is still room. Of you need a copy of the courseware Ill email you a copy once Im at my computer.

On Jun 7, 2011 6:58 PM, "Arky" <kenneth.b...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Działo, Christopher]

There aren't any major differences between 1 and 2 besides example changes, and the privite tutors for pmem students. I can upload the memory and figuritive codes programs.

On Jun 7, 2011 6:58 PM, "Arky" <kenneth.b...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Mad Genius]

Can you please send me a copy of the course also?

On Jun 12, 9:35 am, Działo, Christopher <chrisdzi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> There aren't any major differences between 1 and 2 besides example changes,
> and the privite tutors for pmem students. I can upload the memory and
> figuritive codes programs.

[Arky]

Sounds great. My e-mail is in my profile; I suppose that you can link
me there.

On Jun 12, 11:35 am, Działo, Christopher <chrisdzi...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> There aren't any major differences between 1 and 2 besides example changes,
> and the privite tutors for pmem students. I can upload the memory and
> figuritive codes programs.

[Millicent Bliesener]

How does this group work? I'd like to be with this as well. The
email used for this message is fine.

Thank you!

Millicent

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[S K]

On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 10:10 PM, Gyuri <g.feny...@gmail.com> wrote:

 if some of you are interested in this
topic, read the book GAP syndrome (Gut and Psychology Syndrome).

Gyuri

Thanks for the pointer. It seems to be a very interesting read...wasn't aware of this at all. Thanks.

Sanjay. 

[K Smith]

Is there date set for when everyone is going to start this yet? Or are we still waiting?

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[Działo, Christopher]

Hey Karl,

We will beginning the course in another 2-3 days. Waiting for any others members who are interested in joining to message or request the material.

-Christopher

[jc]

i'd be up for this, count me in.

On Jun 17, 9:54 am, Działo, Christopher <chrisdzi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey Karl,
>
> We will beginning the course in another 2-3 days. Waiting for any others
> members who are interested in joining to message or request the material.
>
> -Christopher
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 4:24 AM, K Smith <defc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Is there date set for when everyone is going to start this yet? Or are we
> > still waiting?
>

> > On 17 June 2011 08:32, S K <mindnbod...@gmail.com> wrote:

[napoleon's_pidgin]

I've obtained the course material and would like to begin the course
with you guys as well.

Justin

On Jun 17, 4:54 am, Działo, Christopher <chrisdzi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey Karl,
>
> We will beginning the course in another 2-3 days. Waiting for any others
> members who are interested in joining to message or request the material.
>
> -Christopher
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 4:24 AM, K Smith <defc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Is there date set for when everyone is going to start this yet? Or are we
> > still waiting?
>

> > On 17 June 2011 08:32, S K <mindnbod...@gmail.com> wrote:

[K Smith]

I don't know what's going with everyone else, but I'm going to be starting this on Sat 2nd July.

[James Kimmitt]

What sort of timeframe is being set for progressing through the material?

 

Also, I have the earlier material - do you think that's sufficient?

[K Smith]

As far as I know, the earlier material is only lacking a few minor details. I can upload the first 16 lessons of the PM2 for you if you wish? You'll have to wait until the weekend though, as I am currently in the process of moving house.

[K Smith]

And as far as a time frame - there isn't really one.

[Vassilis P]

I'm also interested in joining and in getting the PM2 material.

Cheers,
Vassilis

[Rohan Zephirin]

Hi chris, I sent you an email explaining my interest in doing this
course with you.I have the SAT's here in america in october and plan
on scoring a perfect 2400 on it.Doing these exercises with you and
tracking progress would truly be a godsend.

On Jun 17, 4:54 am, Działo, Christopher <chrisdzi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey Karl,
>
> We will beginning the course in another 2-3 days. Waiting for any others
> members who are interested in joining to message or request the material.
>
> -Christopher
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 4:24 AM, K Smith <defc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Is there date set for when everyone is going to start this yet? Or are we
> > still waiting?
>

> > On 17 June 2011 08:32, S K <mindnbod...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Rohan Zephirin]

Hey guys I created this discussion thread/ journal that I will be
updating as I go along.Chris and others who will be doing pmemory
2.0,please join(the forum and discussion).

Here is the thread : http://webgeekstalk.com/showthread.php?p=990#post990

On Jun 29, 12:49 am, Rohan Zephirin <rohan.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi chris, I sent you an email explaining my interest in doing this
> course with you.I have the SAT's here in america in october and plan
> on scoring a perfect 2400 on it.Doing these exercises with you and
> tracking progress would truly be a godsend.
>