BPCup 2012

[Gary Jackson]

Happy New Year to you all;  OK, I’m 13 days late!

Onto business then… and what has been proposed for this year.  Based on feedback from the pilots at the last two rounds, we are planning to have a one week event, and one or two weekend rounds.

·        A seven day event has been pencilled in at the Derbyshire Gliding Club from 26 August till 1 September.

·        The weekend rounds have yet to be arranged.   If you have anything to bring to the party, please contact me.

There are several points that need to be raised following the 2011 event and changes in glider certification:

Safety

As many of you know, there was a serious accident at the Borders round.  While the investigation into the accident is still not complete, the BHPA have recommended that we should consider having professional medical staff on the hill.   Because of the potential consequences of not doing so, we feel we have to comply.  This will have significant cost ramifications and we can do one of several things:

• Put the cost of entry up.
• Scrap the retrieve driver/minibus and go back to how it was for many years, with pilots making their own way back (we do know from last year that organised retrieves are very popular with pilots, however these are expensive as we have to pay for the hire of the buses and associated costs regardless of whether we fly or not and in a typical year a large percentage of the income goes on this).
• Arrange for several pilots, or those currently helping with the organisation, to be appropriately ‘first aid trained’, providing cover at take-off (we would continue to rely on emergency services for any incidents elsewhere.  Whatever we do, we will seek guidance from the BHPA). One point to note here though is, if we have some Personnel trained in First Aid they, would not be classed as Professional Medical Staff.
• A combination of any of these, but bear in mind that the medical cover is of primary importance and will take precedent over the minibus.

 

Your views please!

FAI Cat 2

We are planning to drop Cat 2 status from the BP Cup as hardly any pilots enter because of it and there are generally few points available anyway.  This proposal was broadly supported by the 2011 entrants.  Please let me know if you disagree!

Glider Performance

Traditionally, the BP Cup has had a two tier scoring system – events were scored twice; once as an Open where pilots on open class gliders were allowed to compete, and secondly as BP Cup event, where only those flying non competition gliders scored. The accumulative BP Cup score for the year was made up only of the latter.  For 2011, as a result of the 2 liner debacle, we had to stop the Open element and not allow competition gliders.  However, because of recent developments where these wings are getting certified but the manufacturers are suggesting they should only be flown by highly experienced competition pilots, we need to reconsider the rules for 2012.  Our proposal at this stage is to wait until nearer the time of the first event as everything is still very much in a state of flux with the official bodies

 

All comments gratefully received.

BP Cup Roles

As a general point, Simon and I are keen to see the BP Cup continue and on that basis are happy to continue to organise the events unless anyone else would prefer to.  If anyone would like to take on the roles of Organising and running the events, looking after the website or managing the finances, please let me know.

Can’t wait for the postings on this lot, so TTFN

Gaz (Mk1)

 

[Dave Bee]

Maybe you have already looked into this but could St John's or the Red
cross cover the event for a donation or do they charge? I have very
little idea about this but just a though........By the way thanks in
advance for another great year of the BPC and I for one really like
the idea of a week long event. Here's to a high cloudbase and light
winds.......................see you all there,
cheers Dave............

On Jan 13, 6:46 pm, Gary Jackson <gazand...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Happy New Year to you all;  OK, I’m 13 days late!
>
> Onto business then… and what has been proposed for this year.  Based on
> feedback from the pilots at the last two rounds, we are planning to have a
> one week event, and one or two weekend rounds.
>
> ·        A seven day event has been pencilled in at the Derbyshire Gliding
> Club from 26 August till 1 September.
>
> ·        The weekend rounds have yet to be arranged.   If you have anything
> to bring to the party, please contact me.
>
> There are several points that need to be raised following the 2011 event
> and changes in glider certification:
>
> Safety
>
> As many of you know, there was a serious accident at the Borders round.  While
> the investigation into the accident is still not complete, the BHPA have
> recommended that we should consider having professional medical staff on
> the hill.   Because of the potential consequences of not doing so, we feel
> we have to comply.  This will have significant cost ramifications and we
> can do one of several things:
>

>    - Put the cost of entry up.
>    - Scrap the retrieve driver/minibus and go back to how it was for many

>    years, with pilots making their own way back (we do know from last year
>    that organised retrieves are very popular with pilots, however these are
>    expensive as we have to pay for the hire of the buses and associated costs
>    regardless of whether we fly or not and in a typical year a large
>    percentage of the income goes on this).

>    - Arrange for several pilots, or those currently helping with the

>    organisation, to be appropriately ‘first aid trained’, providing cover at
>    take-off (we would continue to rely on emergency services for any incidents
>    elsewhere.  Whatever we do, we will seek guidance from the BHPA). One
>    point to note here though is, if we have some Personnel trained in First
>    Aid they, would not be classed as Professional Medical Staff.

>    - A combination of any of these, but bear in mind that the medical cover

[Dave Bee]

found this no idea if it is useful but anyway...............http://
www.redcross.org.uk/Where-we-work/In-the-UK/Northern-England/Derbyshire-Nottinghamshire-and-Cheshire/LocalServices/Event-first-aid

http://www.sja.org.uk/sja/what-we-do/event-first-aid-cover.aspx

Might be one way of getting pro med cover though no idea of the costs
involved...........??
cheers Dave...........

On Jan 13, 6:46 pm, Gary Jackson <gazand...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Happy New Year to you all;  OK, I’m 13 days late!
>
> Onto business then… and what has been proposed for this year.  Based on
> feedback from the pilots at the last two rounds, we are planning to have a
> one week event, and one or two weekend rounds.
>
> ·        A seven day event has been pencilled in at the Derbyshire Gliding
> Club from 26 August till 1 September.
>
> ·        The weekend rounds have yet to be arranged.   If you have anything
> to bring to the party, please contact me.
>
> There are several points that need to be raised following the 2011 event
> and changes in glider certification:
>
> Safety
>
> As many of you know, there was a serious accident at the Borders round.  While
> the investigation into the accident is still not complete, the BHPA have
> recommended that we should consider having professional medical staff on
> the hill.   Because of the potential consequences of not doing so, we feel
> we have to comply.  This will have significant cost ramifications and we
> can do one of several things:
>

>    - Put the cost of entry up.
>    - Scrap the retrieve driver/minibus and go back to how it was for many

>    years, with pilots making their own way back (we do know from last year
>    that organised retrieves are very popular with pilots, however these are
>    expensive as we have to pay for the hire of the buses and associated costs
>    regardless of whether we fly or not and in a typical year a large
>    percentage of the income goes on this).

>    - Arrange for several pilots, or those currently helping with the

>    organisation, to be appropriately ‘first aid trained’, providing cover at
>    take-off (we would continue to rely on emergency services for any incidents
>    elsewhere.  Whatever we do, we will seek guidance from the BHPA). One
>    point to note here though is, if we have some Personnel trained in First
>    Aid they, would not be classed as Professional Medical Staff.

>    - A combination of any of these, but bear in mind that the medical cover

[Andy Plimmer]

Hi Gary

Good to see you are still at it and well done for volunteering. I read with interest your thoughts on the issue of first aid and can see where the train of thought is going re organisational liabilities.

A number of charities and other groups who run events on the Yorkshire three peaks use MR personel for rescue cover and donate to that organisation as a thank you. What about you approaching your local MR teams nearest to where the events are held to ask them to provide a couple of cas carers in exchange for a donation to their coffers? While not paid professionals they have a high standard of training and more importantly can call on huge resources who are quickly available and well kitted. I thnk that the idea of you getting your admin team trained up is a non starter as they would need a very high standard of skills to do more than basic first aid and could not do more than any member of the public in terms of speeding up a response.

Just a thought? Mail me back if you think it would be worth pursuing.

 

All the best

 

Andy Plimmer

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[Tony Blacker]

Assuming that I am at every round (as I hope to be), would it help the overall situation if I were to offer to stay grounded at takeoff as medical staff?  I am a qualified surgeon (and doctor - no really) and have my ATLS (advanced trauma life support) training, and can almost certainly lay my hands on the required kit.  I am not especially in this to win (though would like to one day!) but see the competition for everyone as far more important than the winning for an individual (that's the altruistic bit).

 

If we could agree some way that I can be both medical staff (say for the first hour after window opens) but not be penalised if a race to goal is set (see the selfish streak here...), perhaps by allowing an elapsed time for medical staff from the time the first pilot starts the race (I would usually be in the first gaggle anyway), then I would feel happy to stay on the ground & not miss out too much.

 

Perhaps you need dedicated staff who will not fly, or need them on the ground until everyone has taken off, in which case it may be difficult for me to be both medic and pilot.  Have you spoken to St John's ambulance?  I am always happy to land to assist & have done on many occasions in the past when I have been flying (often a good place to be, above the action).  Gary, feel free to call me if you wish to discuss practicalities & dates.

 

See you all at the BPC,

 

Tony

 

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Consultant Urologist
Lead of Surgical Services and Director for DiagnosticsUK Ltd      http://www.diagnostics-uk.co.uk
07818 073688                        to...@blacker.org

[jim vause]

hi there after reading this mail i may be able to help i am first aider up in scotland and a few years ago me and my wife did the cover for the borders round at the time we were part of st andrews first aid and loved the whole time we spent at the contest the 2 years we helped out .If you would like any help covering events please email me and i will see how i can help you .i am no longer part of st andrews but still do firstaid with my job my email is jimv...@hotmail.com .
hope to hear from you soon
jim  

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From: gaza...@gmail.com
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 14:46:25 +0000
Subject: [BPCup] BPCup 2012
To: bp...@googlegroups.com

[C McCloskey]

Hi Gary,

 

Happy New Year. Very exciting having one week in the Peaks.

 

Qualified Medical Staff

 

I think this might be unnecessary aiming for perfection. 

 

The question is it negligent not to have qualified medical staff available ?  I doubt very much that it is. It would not be usual as far as I can see to have medical staff in attendance.  We probably need clear expert legal advice...but of course we can't pay for that.

 

If there was such a duty, we could not contract out of it.  You cannot contract out of a duty of care and negligence relating to personal injury. But even while I cannot see that there would be legal consequences of not having medical staff available - as a precaution I think this could be printed on the web-site, application form ( with signature that plots are aware of this) and perhaps on other documents used by in the BP Cup.

 

 

Retrieve Drivers

 

While there are many wonderful things about the BP Cup ( weather not being one of them),  the Retrieve Driver is definitely one of them and a great attraction.  The main thing is the convenience and absolutely no need to be concerned where you fly to, cos you will be picked up  ( and I don't think that this is abused - I wish I could fly further !).

 

A small thing, but there is a great camaraderie in the van in tracking down the landed pilots and after being picked up chatting where everybody got to.

 

I understand cost is the big problem. I can only agree that the fees would have to be increased. I wonder if it might be seen to be more attractive to the pilots to have the fees shown for each event broken down into two parts ie entry fee plus retrieve driver fee. The total will have to be paid, but individuals might find the costs more acceptable if they see the element for the van hire and retrieve driver ?  Only a suggestion ..

 

Happy flying when Spring arrives,

 

Colin  (McCloskey)

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From: Gary Jackson

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[Richard Jenings]

Gary

I agree we must follow the guidance of BHPA for the pro medics, but are there any statistics that show an accident is more likely to happen at launch, where the medic will be? I would have thought a  trained amateur first aider  and renting a satellite telephone so always able to call for help quickly might be a better plan 

I would keep the van and increase the fee .

I agree no FAI cat 2

Richard 

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[tony broadmuir]

Hi All,

Re the cost of professional medical staff.

I would vote to keep the retrieve bus and therefore increase the entry fee to cover the above.

Cheers

Tony Spirling

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From: gaza...@gmail.com
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 14:46:25 +0000
Subject: [BPCup] BPCup 2012
To: bp...@googlegroups.com

[Viv Fouracre]

A belated happy new year everyone and here's my tuppence worth.

My choice from the options available is:

- Arrange for several pilots, or those currently helping with the

   organisation, to be appropriately ‘first aid trained’, providing
cover at
   take-off (we would continue to rely on emergency services for any
incidents
   elsewhere.  Whatever we do, we will seek guidance from the BHPA).
One
   point to note here though is, if we have some Personnel trained in
First
   Aid they, would not be classed as Professional Medical Staff.

I am involved with our local winch syndicate (run under BHPA rules)
and all our tow coaches and several pilots have basic first aid
certificates. Perhaps there could be a checkbox on the BP Cup
registration form to ask if anyone has any current first aid training
and to what level. I think if a BP Cup official on the ground had the
First Aid at Work qualification (paid for by the BP Cup) and we had a
number of basic first aiders amongst the pilots that ought to be
sufficient.

I ran official horse trials for a number of years in a previous life
and if you have to start paying for medical cover it would be
extremely expensive and with our sport they probably wouldn't be in
the right place anyway!

I'm for keeping the retrieve bus if at all possible.

Cat 2/ performance gliders - not bothered either way - can't see it
applying to me!

You're all doing a great job - please keep on doing it.

Viv

On Jan 13, 2:46 pm, Gary Jackson <gazand...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Happy New Year to you all;  OK, I’m 13 days late!
>
> Onto business then… and what has been proposed for this year.  Based on
> feedback from the pilots at the last two rounds, we are planning to have a
> one week event, and one or two weekend rounds.
>
> ·        A seven day event has been pencilled in at the Derbyshire Gliding
> Club from 26 August till 1 September.
>
> ·        The weekend rounds have yet to be arranged.   If you have anything
> to bring to the party, please contact me.
>
> There are several points that need to be raised following the 2011 event
> and changes in glider certification:
>
> Safety
>
> As many of you know, there was a serious accident at the Borders round.  While
> the investigation into the accident is still not complete, the BHPA have
> recommended that we should consider having professional medical staff on
> the hill.   Because of the potential consequences of not doing so, we feel
> we have to comply.  This will have significant cost ramifications and we
> can do one of several things:
>

>    - Put the cost of entry up.
>    - Scrap the retrieve driver/minibus and go back to how it was for many

>    years, with pilots making their own way back (we do know from last year
>    that organised retrieves are very popular with pilots, however these are
>    expensive as we have to pay for the hire of the buses and associated costs
>    regardless of whether we fly or not and in a typical year a large
>    percentage of the income goes on this).

>    - Arrange for several pilots, or those currently helping with the

>    organisation, to be appropriately ‘first aid trained’, providing cover at
>    take-off (we would continue to rely on emergency services for any incidents
>    elsewhere.  Whatever we do, we will seek guidance from the BHPA). One
>    point to note here though is, if we have some Personnel trained in First
>    Aid they, would not be classed as Professional Medical Staff.

>    - A combination of any of these, but bear in mind that the medical cover

[edc...@tiscali.co.uk]

Lots of good ideas and willing helpers on the First Aid front .... well
done folks. Can't add anything there.

Def keep the retrieve, there's a guy now doing (my biz. idea) the
xcbus retrieve thing. Avoid bicyles... get a proper bus.

No Cat 2 .... fair enough

Round venues OK ..... any idea why they are all so late and in the
monsoon season; July and August not good .... but who's knows ... this
is the UK. Have you checked for clashes? (LCC for example). Can't do
last biggie end of Aug due to clash ... bugger but may rejig.

If we move from five to three rounds does this alter the overall costs
much? Any additional costs over the total for last year (£235?) is
gonna put people off a bit during hard times.

Cheers

Ed

----Original Message----

From: viv4...@gmail.com

Date: 20/01/2012 13:51

To: "British Paragliding Cup"<bp...@googlegroups.com>

Subj: [BPCup] Re: BPCup 2012

cover at

incidents

One

First

sufficient.

the right place anyway!

applying to me!

Viv

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>

> Safety

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>

>

> Your views please!

>

> FAI Cat 2

>

> you disagree!

>

> Glider Performance

>

> official bodies

>

> All comments gratefully received.

>

> BP Cup Roles

>

> please let me know.

>

>

> Gaz (Mk1)

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[TOM KANE]

Agree with Tony below.

 

Tom.

[Neil Plant]

On the safety point - I suspect that it would be very expensive to provide cover for the duration of a round.  St John Ambulance (and, I presume other organisations) would require notification in advance and you would have to have a minimum of two first aiders on site all day.  Given the length of the typical BP Cup day you would probably need a couple of shifts as the First Aiders are supposed to only work a specified length of time (although in my experience this doesn't really happen!).  As you don't really know whether a task will be set until the day you would have them on site even if the whole round was a wash/blow out.  If you sent them away on a non-flyable day you would still get charged.  Providers smaller than St John or the Red Cross may be more flexible.
 
Perhaps Andy Plimmer's idea of MRT support alongside willing health care professionals and experienced first aid volunteers in the comp or on the staff would be the most flexible and best value for money option.  These volunteers could provide some basic incident management/first aid training to pilots on the non-flying days.
 
On the retrieve bus - this is a big attraction for pilots doing their first longer XCs in places they don't normally fly.  It was for me.  The lack of a retrieve could affect the numbers of pilots entering.
 
Neil.

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From: gaza...@gmail.com
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 14:46:25 +0000
Subject: [BPCup] BPCup 2012
To: bp...@googlegroups.com

[Viv Fouracre]

Hi Ed

Looks like the first round clashes with the LCC which is a real shame
as we shall have to choose between the two - as you say - "bugger"!

Viv

On Jan 30, 8:32 pm, "edc...@tiscali.co.uk" <edc...@tiscali.co.uk>
wrote:

> Lots of good ideas and willing helpers on the First Aid front .... well
> done folks. Can't add anything there.
>
> Def keep the retrieve, there's a guy now doing (my biz. idea) the
> xcbus retrieve thing. Avoid bicyles... get a proper bus.
>
> No Cat 2 .... fair enough
>
> Round venues OK ..... any idea why they are all so late and in the
> monsoon season; July and August not good .... but who's knows ... this
> is the UK.  Have you checked for clashes? (LCC for example). Can't do
> last biggie end of Aug due to clash ... bugger but may rejig.
>
> If we move from five to three rounds does this alter the overall costs
> much? Any additional costs over the total for last year (£235?) is
> gonna put people off a bit during hard times.
>
> Cheers
>
> Ed
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----Original Message----
>

[Gary Jackson]

To answer two points raised... The choice of dates were so that I'm not at school, ie holidays and the clash with the LLC was better than clashing with the Champs, which is where our marshals and driver are likely to be.

Gaz

[Kitt Rudd (Elemental)]

Hi Gary et al,

 I can fully understand not wanting to clash with the champs for the reasons you gave but I also think having a clash between the LCC and the Dales round is too clever either especially considering the proximity of these two meets.

I would have though an earlier season meet would be better as historically I would say by June  we are well into the xc season. Can you not get a May comp for the North of England.

 

Kitt

[edc...@tiscali.co.uk]

I'm afraid I'm struggling with the logic behind the planning of the
dates.

We have two excellent prime flying months, April and May with no
comps. Come the first 10 days of June, three that conflict in one way
or another. The LCC and BPC are literally one hours drive apart at the
same time and each will be a draw on the other. (How does the Blorenge
Bash fit into the final event?) Comparing pilot lists of each from last
year at least 10 pilots will have to make a decision. Financially both
will be effected. If it's retrieve and marshalling we can sort
something this end .... the Dalesbridge is only three miles from me.
Say what you want and the budget for retrieve. Marshalls? We have run
the LCC for 20+ years and managed to marshall A, B comps and coaching
successfully from amongst oueselves. It is possible ......... but .....
I still don't understand the non use of April and May. I understand
only partly your schools hols thing ..... many of us have to just bite
the bullets on clashes with work.

Ed

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From: gaza...@gmail.com

Date: 31/01/2012 22:08

To: <bp...@googlegroups.com>

Subj: Re: [BPCup] Re: BPCup 2012

Gaz

> Hi Ed

>

>

> Viv

>

> wrote:

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> > Cheers

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> > Ed

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> > ----Original Message----

> >

> > From: viv4a...@gmail.com

> >

> > Date: 20/01/2012 13:51

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> > > Your views please!

> >

> > > FAI Cat 2

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> > pilots

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> > anyway. This

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> > know if

> >

> > > you disagree!

> >

> > > Glider Performance

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> > were

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> > were

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> > > official bodies

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> > > All comments gratefully received.

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> > > BP Cup Roles

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> > and on

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> > Organising

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> > finances,

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> > > please let me know.

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> > > Gaz (Mk1)

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Ed

Some dates April and May

27^th APRIL to 29^th APRIL. PEAK DISTRICT. North south cup

25^th MAY to 3^rd JUNE. MEDUNO. ITALY . Champ's round

Steve

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[Graham Smith]

I'm not sure I understand these dates either, however as I'm not prepared to organise it - I've accept what others do, but from my perspective....

The BPC seems to have drifted from a weekend league to something more like the Championship but UK based.

It used to be 5 rounds over 16 days, centred around Bank Holidays, bunk off early on a Friday for travelling and by using Bank Holidays I'd have to take 1 or maybe 2 days holiday maximum, if the weather was crap - I didn't mind - after all it would be the same wherever I was. - This year we have 5 bank holiday in the flying season - but are using only 1.

Last year - allowing for travelling time I calculated I needed to book 8 days holiday - so I didn't register, this year it's 9 days - or 40% of my holiday allocation - If I'm going to take that much time off work for flying - I'll go where the weathers better!

If this is what the majority want - then I accept it graciously - but I'm disappointed not to be able to take part, I also predict that any poor weather forecast will have an even more dramatic impact on attendance with last minute withdrawals - particularly for the week long Peeks round.

Graham

Ps I left school 33 years ago!

Ed

----Original Message----

From: gaza...@gmail.com

Date: 31/01/2012 22:08

To: <bp...@googlegroups.com>

Gaz

> Hi Ed

>

>

> Viv

>

> wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Cheers

> >

> > Ed

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ----Original Message----

> >

> > From: viv4a...@gmail.com

> >

> > Date: 20/01/2012 13:51

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > cover at

> >

> >

> > incidents

> >

> >

> > One

> >

> >

> > First

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > sufficient.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > the right place anyway!

> >

> >

> >

> > applying to me!

> >

> >

> > Viv

> >

> >

> >

> > > Onto business then. and what has been proposed for this year.
Based

> > on

> >

> > have a

> >

> >

> > Gliding

> >

> >

> > anything

> >

> >

> > event

> >

> >

> > > Safety

> >

> > round. While

> >

> > have

> >

> > on

> >

> > feel

> >

> > we

> >

> >

> >

> > many

> >

> > year

> >

> > these are

> >

> > associated costs

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > cover at

> >

> > incidents

> >

> > One

> >

> > First

> >

> >

> > cover

> >

> > minibus.

> >

> > > Your views please!

> >

> > > FAI Cat 2

> >

> > pilots

> >

> > anyway. This

> >

> > know if

> >

> > > you disagree!

> >

> > > Glider Performance

> >

> > > Traditionally, the BP Cup has had a two tier scoring system -
events

> > were

> >

> > were

> >

> > flying

> >

> > year

> >

> > liner

> >

> > gliders.

> >

> > getting

> >

> > flown by

> >

> > rules for

> >

> > the

> >

> > the

> >

> > > official bodies

> >

> > > All comments gratefully received.

> >

> > > BP Cup Roles

> >

> > and on

> >

> > else

> >

> > Organising

> >

> > finances,

> >

> > > please let me know.

> >

> >

> > > Gaz (Mk1)

> >

> > --

> >

> >

> >

> > bpcup+un...@googlegroups.com.

> >

> groups.google.com/group/bpcup?hl=en.

>

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[edc...@tiscali.co.uk]

Yeh, I know those dates Steve and the North/South is a moveable feast
.... the Champs I understand but there is still lots of weeks left in
March and April.

Ed

----Original Message----

From: ser...@btopenworld.com

Date: 02/02/2012 13:27

To: "bp...@googlegroups.com"<bp...@googlegroups.com>

Subj: Re: [BPCup] Re: BPCup 2012

Ed

Some dates April and May

27th APRIL to 29th APRIL. PEAK DISTRICT.North south cup

Steve

________________________________

From: "edc...@tiscali.co.uk" <edc...@tiscali.co.uk>

To: bp...@googlegroups.com

dates.

Ed

----Original Message----

From: gaza...@gmail.com

Date: 31/01/2012 22:08

To: <bp...@googlegroups.com>

at

clashing

be.

Gaz

wrote:

> Hi Ed

>

shame

>

> Viv

>

> wrote:

well

> >

> >

> >

this

do

> >

costs

> >

> > Cheers

> >

> > Ed

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ----Original Message----

> >

> > From: viv4a...@gmail.com

> >

> > Date: 20/01/2012 13:51

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

providing

> >

> > cover at

> >

any

> >

> > incidents

> >

BHPA).

> >

> > One

> >

in

> >

> > First

> >

> >

rules)

> >

> >

> >

training

> >

the

> >

a

> >

> >

> > sufficient.

> >

life

> >

> >

in

> >

> > the right place anyway!

> >

> >

it

> >

> > applying to me!

> >

> >

> > Viv

> >

> >

> >

Based

> > on

> >

to

> > have a

> >

> >

Derbyshire

> > Gliding

> >

> >

have

> > anything

> >

> >

2011

> > event

> >

> >

> > > Safety

> >

> > round.  While

> >

BHPA

> > have

> >

staff

> > on

> >

so, we

> > feel

> >

and

> > we

> >

> >

> >

for

> > many

> >

last

> > year

> >

however

> > these are

> >

> > associated costs

> >

large

> >

> >

the

> >

providing

> > cover at

> >

any

> > incidents

> >

BHPA).

> > One

> >

trained in

> > First

> >

> >

medical

> > cover

> >

> > minibus.

> >

> > > Your views please!

> >

> > > FAI Cat 2

> >

any

> > pilots

> >

> > anyway.  This

> >

me

> > know if

> >

> > > you disagree!

> >

> > > Glider Performance

> >

events

> > were

> >

> > were

> >

those

> > flying

> >

the

> > year

> >

> > liner

> >

competition

> > gliders.

> >

> > getting

> >

be

> > flown by

> >

> > rules for

> >

time of

> > the

> >

with

> > the

> >

> > > official bodies

> >

> > > All comments gratefully received.

> >

> > > BP Cup Roles

> >

continue

> > and on

> >

anyone

> > else

> >

> > Organising

> >

the

> > finances,

> >

> > > please let me know.

> >

> >

> > > Gaz (Mk1)

> >

> > --

> >

> >

> >

> > bpcup+un...@googlegroups.com.

> >

> > For more options, visit this group athttp://

> groups.google.com/group/bpcup?hl=en.

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[edc...@tiscali.co.uk]

That should have read April and May
Ed

----Original Message----
From: ser...@btopenworld.com
Date: 02/02/2012 13:27

To: "bp...@googlegroups.com"<bp...@googlegroups.com>
Subj: Re: [BPCup] Re: BPCup 2012

Ed

Some dates April and May

27th APRIL to 29th APRIL. PEAK DISTRICT.North south cup

Steve

Ed

----Original Message----

From: gaza...@gmail.com

Date: 31/01/2012 22:08

To: <bp...@googlegroups.com>

at

clashing

be.

Gaz

wrote:

> Hi Ed

>

shame

>

> Viv

>

> wrote:

well

> >

> >

> >

this

do

> >

costs

> >

> > Cheers

> >

> > Ed

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ----Original Message----

> >

> > From: viv4a...@gmail.com

> >

> > Date: 20/01/2012 13:51

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

providing

> >

> > cover at

> >

any

> >

> > incidents

> >

BHPA).

> >

> > One

> >

in

> >

> > First

> >

> >

rules)

> >

> >

> >

training

> >

the

> >

a

> >

> >

> > sufficient.

> >

life

> >

> >

in

> >

> > the right place anyway!

> >

> >

it

> >

> > applying to me!

> >

> >

> > Viv

> >

> >

> >

Based

> > on

> >

to

> > have a

> >

> >

Derbyshire

> > Gliding

> >

> >

have

> > anything

> >

> >

2011

> > event

> >

> >

> > > Safety

> >

> > round.  While

> >

BHPA

> > have

> >

staff

> > on

> >

so, we

> > feel

> >

and

> > we

> >

> >

> >

for

> > many

> >

last

> > year

> >

however

> > these are

> >

> > associated costs

> >

large

> >

> >

the

> >

providing

> > cover at

> >

any

> > incidents

> >

BHPA).

> > One

> >

trained in

> > First

> >

> >

medical

> > cover

> >

> > minibus.

> >

> > > Your views please!

> >

> > > FAI Cat 2

> >

any

> > pilots

> >

> > anyway.  This

> >

me

> > know if

> >

> > > you disagree!

> >

> > > Glider Performance

> >

events

> > were

> >

> > were

> >

those

> > flying

> >

the

> > year

> >

> > liner

> >

competition

> > gliders.

> >

> > getting

> >

be

> > flown by

> >

> > rules for

> >

time of

> > the

> >

with

> > the

> >

> > > official bodies

> >

> > > All comments gratefully received.

> >

> > > BP Cup Roles

> >

continue

> > and on

> >

anyone

> > else

> >

> > Organising

> >

the

> > finances,

> >

> > > please let me know.

> >

> >

> > > Gaz (Mk1)

> >

> > --

> >

> >

> >

> > bpcup+un...@googlegroups.com.

> >

> > For more options, visit this group athttp://

> groups.google.com/group/bpcup?hl=en.

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[Tom Kane]

I hope these dates stick as I've now rented a cottage in Bradwell for the Peaks round..

Tom.

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[Gary Jackson]

Now I'm home from school I can respond to some comments. Firstly, in case you don't know me, I left school in 1978 and couldn't wait to get out, now I'm one of the Wardens, sorry, Teachers, yes , that's right...

Anyway, the logic is simple. I am not prepared to arrange my professional life around other peoples desires and wishes. The current state of the staffing in school and the changes that the Government is now putting on us, means more hard work and I owe it my colleagues to pull my weight and not swan off on flying jollies. There hasn't been a rush of applicants to orgnanise this lot so I'm doing the best I can between the planning, marking, after school extra curricular activities, private tutoring, home rebuild/DIY and then there's the long suffering wife who deserves some time.

The change to a 7 day event and more longer events other than weekends has it's roots in the cost of getting around the country. Many can't afford to travel up and down the country to lots of little weekend events, on the off chance the weather will play ball. The 7 day event will hopefully give us a bigger window of weather opportunity. The choice of dates for this one was dictated mainly by the Gliding club. The rest of the dates clashed with the Champs or were later in September, which I would be able to do.

There is no guarantee that this years weather will be the same as the previous two years and so I I ignored the calendar apart from when it was convenient for me to go and finish what I'm organising.

However... with all this in mind, there is another option for which I am currently awaiting confirmation. I have asked about the possibility of moving the Dales to 11-14 April. Still in the school holidays and in the month when some good distances have been flown. It will be cold and the thermals punchy. Don't moan about that!

Watch this space.

Gaz

[Kitt Rudd (Elemental)]

Gary and BPCup Team

 

Thanks for exploring other dates for the Dales round - It would I feel impact both events if the BPCup  were to be held on the same weekend.

 

Kitt

From: Gary Jackson

Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 6:11 PM

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